Ok this might be stupid and maybe not even worth it's own thread, but I know I'd have been very glad to have this little tip that has worked very consistently for me...
Kill all running tasks!
I had tried both temp-root packages and was having really bad luck getting it to work. Sometimes I would have to reboot and try 10 times to get it to take. Then I thought about what someone said (it was either Joel or Nils) about why we are losing root even without a reboot, he said that SU was force closing. It occurred to me that maybe it's not crashing, so much as it's being closed, maybe because the Rezound seems to be very agressive about auto-starting junk apps... maybe it sees SU as lower priority and kills it to make room in the RAM for other apps we could care less about.
With that in mind, I figured I would kill EVERYTHING before running the temp root. This has now worked for me five times in a row, where I get temp root on the first shot. It doesn't make root last any longer... I still lose root without a reboot, but it's better than having to reboot numerous times to get temp root back again.
Also, now that we know we can freeze apps with titanium (which I'm about to do), maybe if we freeze enough bloat apps the phone won't kill SU so easily?
Hope this helps someone...
By the way, when I say kill everything, I mean even system apps, everything. I just System Panel, I hit End All and select all five levels of task killing up to System Apps...
Can't wait to give this a try. Thanks!
Update: didn't help. But thanks anyway.
bast525 said:
Ok this might be stupid and maybe not even worth it's own thread, but I know I'd have been very glad to have this little tip that has worked very consistently for me...
Kill all running tasks!
I had tried both temp-root packages and was having really bad luck getting it to work. Sometimes I would have to reboot and try 10 times to get it to take. Then I thought about what someone said (it was either Joel or Nils) about why we are losing root even without a reboot, he said that SU was force closing. It occurred to me that maybe it's not crashing, so much as it's being closed, maybe because the Rezound seems to be very agressive about auto-starting junk apps... maybe it sees SU as lower priority and kills it to make room in the RAM for other apps we could care less about.
With that in mind, I figured I would kill EVERYTHING before running the temp root. This has now worked for me five times in a row, where I get temp root on the first shot. It doesn't make root last any longer... I still lose root without a reboot, but it's better than having to reboot numerous times to get temp root back again.
Also, now that we know we can freeze apps with titanium (which I'm about to do), maybe if we freeze enough bloat apps the phone won't kill SU so easily?
Hope this helps someone...
By the way, when I say kill everything, I mean even system apps, everything. I just System Panel, I hit End All and select all five levels of task killing up to System Apps...
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+thanks. I will give that a try when I pick the phone up on Wednesday.
Where do u find system panel and these five stages?
I'm living on a yellow submarine
system panel is in the market, but I imagine almost any task manager would work fine, main thing is you want it to kill EVERYTHING possible, even Sense. System panel leaves only about 10 things running, things that can't be killed. The idea is to free up as much RAM as possible to keep the phone from killing SU as soon as it's installed. This has now worked almost ten times in a row for me... it hasn't failed once since I started doing this.
Great job this helped a lot!
Another thing that helped me, is using "HTC Sync" instead of charge only.
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this sure helped me! I have been failing for two days now. THANKS!
a little note, if you leave system panel, sense will kick back on, so run the exploit after killing all the process, but do not exit out of the system panel
Don't Run As Administrator. Only Way It Works For Me.
FYI all, I don't out the phone in HTC Sync mode, and while I do run as administrator on my Vista machine, the laptop I use at work is xp and I don't do run as admin there. It also didn't matter if I let Sense restart after running the exploit. So I didn't find any of that extra stuff necessary. It has worked every time over a dozen times now since I started killing all apps before running it.
Cool, might of worked for you, but it didn't for me... I had to turn on HTC sync.
This thread seems to be about what has worked for people that couldn't root normally... Just adding what I had to do, as it might help someone else...
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Holy crap dude you're a genius. Worked for right out of the gate! I was only able to get root once before, this worked without flaw first time. You rock!
Killing everything helped get root, but Sense would shut down my superuser within 5 minutes. I dusted off Launcher Pro, and now my root is staying in place, so far, over two hours. Thanks for the advice man!
I'm glad this seems to be working for everyone. I have not had one failed root attempt since doing this, probably 20+ times now. But yeah root doesn't tend to stick long. it was long enough to freeze all the bloatware and make a good titanium backup, so I'm happy
This worked perfectly for me finally. I attempted the normal temp root methods and it never seemed to work. Killing everything first did work. I rem'd out the SU install and pre-loaded SU from the market then ran the batch.
I was able to freeze bloatware, and restore my favorite apps from my Dinc. Happy dance.
The only :? was that on my last app just after it finished restoring my Phone rebooted most ungracefully but everything I had done was preserved. The phone only rebooted once and I can find nothing wrong with it so I am accepting that as a "oh well".
So thanks for this extra post explaining the Kill All method. I appreciate it greatly.
This also worked wonders for me. Just got done freezing bloatware, and let me tell you, this thing absolutely soars after freezing. I've noticed it taking significantly less time to launch apps and even switching from portrait to landscape seems to be quicker. I can't even imagine the speed we will achieve once we have some roms to work with.
Rock on devs, this thing is worth it.
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Here is an idea, can someone make a temp root that will run from the phone so that it can be done from anywhere and not tied to a computer
narcco said:
Here is an idea, can someone make a temp root that will run from the phone so that it can be done from anywhere and not tied to a computer
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+1000
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narcco said:
Here is an idea, can someone make a temp root that will run from the phone so that it can be done from anywhere and not tied to a computer
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Try Gingerbreak.apk and let us know
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Try Gingerbreak.apk and let us know
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tried it....no go for me. any other way?
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I tried making one but the phone won't allow the exploit to be copied to the phone via a shell script or terminal emulator. ADB somehow circumvents that.
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And glad I did. Not that you can more than 3 times, but it buys me some time to read what's up, makes some preparations, and glad I did.
1. GPS removed it seems (or ability to turn it on)
2. some reboot issues & failed ICS installs due to rooted users (like me) removing bloatware (not me)
3. interesting claim ramp up in CPU speed (but it is being debated)
4. keep root with Root keeper BEFORE doing ICS
Again, we can only put it off 3 times and I used my first time to put off for a "day". But I like sitting back and watching everyone else tell what they see.. Anyone else putting it off?
I will wait. Is there not a file we can rename so as not to be forced?
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And glad I did. Not that you can more than 3 times, but it buys me some time to read what's up, makes some preparations, and glad I did.
1. GPS removed it seems (or ability to turn it on)
2. some reboot issues & failed ICS installs due to rooted users (like me) removing bloatware (not me)
3. interesting claim ramp up in CPU speed (but it is being debated)
4. keep root with Root keeper BEFORE doing ICS
Again, we can only put it off 3 times and I used my first time to put off for a "day". But I like sitting back and watching everyone else tell what they see.. Anyone else putting it off?
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So far, I am loving it. Everything is more smooth.
I was rooted and used Rootkeeper and still have root. Installed and booted just fine for me. GPS being removed sucks. Even though GPS sucked, at least let us have what we had
So far so good for me, crossing my fingers that it doesn't come crashing down tomorrow
I didn't wait I started the update hoped in the irc for my phone and jcase was like yo Haro don't forget to use voodoo to keep root and I was like ****!!!! so now I get to play the waiting game again for when this thing will be rooted.. I hate waiting. I've waited a lot for this thing lol
you and about 4 other weirdos
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you and about 4 other weirdos
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I got a stable tablet, going to ride it out a few days but will have to in the end. But waiting has already saved me some aggravation as I have been able to backup some files and settings and such. I am eager, but patient on this.
I see GPS under Settings > Personal > Location Services > GPS Satellites. Maybe I'm mistaken?
GPS is not removed mine works go to locations and turn it on
GPS is in settings? Still there. Also, had root, froze some bloatware apps, did the update, no problems at all. Root is gone, but I'm sure they'll get it back very soon.
Yeah, some are now reporting it is just removed from the quick settings menu which is uber lame IMHO. I like quick access to settings like that.. Seems like they are doing what they can to make it "disappear" without removing it. Out of sight, out of mind. Going to have to use a lame GPS widget instead.
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Yeah, some are now reporting it is just removed from the quick settings menu which is uber lame IMHO. I like quick access to settings like that.. Seems like they are doing what they can to make it "disappear" without removing it. Out of sight, out of mind. Going to have to use a lame GPS widget instead.
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Yea This^^
i did rootkeeper app, saved root. gps is still enabled in settings, i leave it on permanent anyways so not a biggie.
the tab is way smoother especially the browser. overall liking it so far. all my apps + settings are intact.
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1. do bookmarks correctly sync with chrome yet?
2. does the battery usage setting now correctly show installed apps and not just system processes?
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1. do bookmarks correctly sync with chrome yet?
2. does the battery usage setting now correctly show installed apps and not just system processes?
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1. No idea
2. Nope
#2 was a hugely touted function and improvement in ICS - enough so that at the ICS conference months back they took the time to show it off. Nice to see Asus did not upgrade their kernel to take advantage of a pretty great native ICS feature
My google bookmarks show now
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You made a long winded thread based on iffy second hand info. Seriously?
You think they took gps away via ics?
unnecessary thread
There 20 other ics threads
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My TF101 will go to ICS a week or so after the ROM I'm using is updated to account for it.
When it arrives, my TF201 will be updated all the way to the current version.
Always have a backup plan .
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The point of this thread was NOT to start an ICS *****ing thread, it was suppose to be about finding out if there were others that were patient enough to wait and see how it unfolds. It took a turn I could not control.
Anyway, you can postpone 3 times. 1 options is "1 day". I did that last night and expected 24hrs and yet this morning, I had to use my second postpone and selected 1 day again and then a mere 15 minutes I had to use it again.... so I have 1 left but I guess "1 day" i not 24 hours
This is starting make me a little nuts. Every now and then, and it's becoming more and more common, apps just won't start. Or if they do, it takes a long time (say 20 seconds) before they do.
When it starts behaving this way, I can usually fire up SystemPanel via SwipePad and tap End All. Then, after I exit SystemPanel, the app I tried to start before will usually start up. If I keep running for a while, though, things will give me more and more problems, until either I get too frustrated and reboot, or nothing at all will start and I have to reboot.
After a reboot (which takes waaaaaaay too long, by the way, for a phone of this caliber ... I think my ****ty old Samsung Moment booted faster than this phone), things are usually okay for a little while. But too often I won't make it all day before it starts acting up again.
Please save me from wanting to smash this phone into many little pieces. I had enough of that kind of frustration with my Moment.
What phone are you talking about? Have you tried clearing all your Caches?
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moonzbabysh said:
What phone are you talking about? Have you tried clearing all your Caches?
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Well, a Photon, of course.
So I looked at /cache. In there is an empty directory called lost+found, and a directory call recovery that has a 135K file called last_log from October. Doesn't look like there's anything of interest here.
I have too many apps to go through one-by-one and hit Clear cache in settings, but I could try running a command in a terminal to do it. I guess this would do it, no?
Code:
for f in `ls /data/data`; do rm -r /data/data/$f/cache; done
Get App Cache Cleaner and set it up to run once a day. free on the Market.
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Get App Cache Cleaner and set it up to run once a day. free on the Market.
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That's a good tip. We'll see if keeping app caches clear makes a difference. I'm somewhat skeptical. Do you guys find that this actually helps?
P Daddy said:
That's a good tip. We'll see if keeping app caches clear makes a difference. I'm somewhat skeptical. Do you guys find that this actually helps?
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noticeable to me yes, but, I play with my phone 24 X 7! Pandora, YouTube, E-mail, text, games............I no longer have freezing issues. Just me thou
P Daddy said:
This is starting make me a little nuts. Every now and then, and it's becoming more and more common, apps just won't start. Or if they do, it takes a long time (say 20 seconds) before they do.
When it starts behaving this way, I can usually fire up SystemPanel via SwypePad and tap End All. Then, after I exit SystemPanel, the app I tried to start before will usually start up. If I keep running for a while, though, things will give me more and more problems, until either I get too frustrated and reboot, or nothing at all will start and I have to reboot.
After a reboot (which takes waaaaaaay too long, by the way, for a phone of this caliber ... I think my ****ty old Samsung Moment booted faster than this phone), things are usually okay for a little while. But too often I won't make it all day before it starts acting up again.
Please save me from wanting to smash this phone into many little pieces. I had enough of that kind of frustration with my Moment.
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When this happens, do you notice if your clock in the status bar gets stuck? This happens a few times a day for me. I have to end a few apps running in the background then my clock will catch up and my app will load. Definitely annoying.
I'm stock rooted.
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trcurren said:
When this happens, do you notice if your clock in the status bar gets stuck? This happens a few times a day for me. I have to end a few apps running in the background then my clock will catch up and my app will load. Definitely annoying.
I'm stock rooted.
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Nope, no problem with my clock. Sounds like your Status Bar process is hanging up for some reason.
I'm stock rooted, too, btw. This behavior is making me consider trying out CM7, though. The only reason I haven't done it yet is because I don't really want to give up 4G. Not that I use it much, though. Sucks too much battery.
i have been really really happy with this phone ... until recently. stock ROM. not rooted. over the past couple weeks i've been having problems where the phone dialer doesn't find a name i type in. says "unknown recipient". then i have to click the people icon and manually find the person ... the contact list take FOREVER to launch. once i do this, it works from then on for some period of time. also when i go to read a text it says loading for a LONG time. seems like the android native apps (contacts, messaging, etc ...) is having some problems. not sure, but all this seems to be happening since installing the last OTA update.
A restart of the phone fixes the problem but only for a short period of time. any help would be appreciated.
Wipe phone completely. Start over. Should fix your errors
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Root it. Trust me and everyone else in this community.
Root it..
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thanks for both replies ... i was afraid of getting each of those responses. it takes me hours to wipe and reset everything up. my last phone was the photon which i had rooted but i really don't want to keep trying to keep up with the OTAs. dang ... guess i have to do something
I'm rooted running meanrom4.4 the built in ota updater makes things really easy if you don't want to have to keep up with the new rom versions. You just download right on your phone like you would... An ota
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wolfeyes30 said:
Root it. Trust me and everyone else in this community.
Root it..
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One of us...one of us....one of us
The phones performance between stock and rooted MeanRom 4.4 is like night and day. HTC should be embarrassed for the way the phone runs in stock condition, it really boggles the mind given its hardware.
Anything that doesn't work with Meanrom?
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notch8 said:
thanks for both replies ... i was afraid of getting each of those responses. it takes me hours to wipe and reset everything up. my last phone was the photon which i had rooted but i really don't want to keep trying to keep up with the OTAs. dang ... guess i have to do something
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Its really not too long of a process with the right tools. Backup apps like Titanium Backup, My Root Backup or this newer one im been using, App2zip. I use to be like you. Spent why too long setting things back up. Now i use App2zip for my user apps and flash right after i flash a new rom. Upon bootup, all my apps are there. Not recommend to do with System apps..hint hint.
I bought the Galaxy S3 two months after the EVO. EVO was driving me nuts. I kept the EVO anyway. Can never have too many devices, right?
Running Mean 4.4 rom now and its like night and day from the first two months with the EVO. New advancements from Zep with multitasking and all the incredible work from all the devs in the community, im enjoying the EVO now.
S3 for sale... Just kidding.
This latest update fixed google wallet but looks to have made all of the google apps buggy in the process. Hopefully they'll push an update to fix it soon, but in the meantime rebooting the phone when it acts up will help temporarily.
xHausx said:
This latest update fixed google wallet but looks to have made all of the google apps buggy in the process. Hopefully they'll push an update to fix it soon, but in the meantime rebooting the phone when it acts up will help temporarily.
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Yet another reason to leave well enough alone lol
+1 for mean rom, I don't think I could go back. Part of the reason I like it besides the obvious fact that the phone runs way better the ota updater is fantastic this is the first rom I have used that has had it and probably won't go back to a rom without it. I actually have an update downloading in the background now. You deffinty should hard reset and since you have to do that anyway might as well root.
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I was about to start a thread for the exact same problem! I too have been hesitant to root my phone out of simple laziness... Maybe I'll shoot an email to HTC and see what they say. Definitely related to the latest OTA though.
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I have had the same issue since the last OTA update, and have tried a few things with limited success. I've tried removing all contacts, and resynching, backing up and clearing the data from the messaging app, soft and hard resets.
Of everything, the soft reset seems to have cut down how often I get this bug. Interestingly, my brothers phone has about the same frequency of the issue, but neither of my parents phones have the problem.
So HTC responded and said to try rebooting into "Safe Mode" and if that doesn't work to perform a factory reset. Here's the email:
If you have backed up your information and cleared the data from Phone, Messages, Contact Storage, and Dialer Storage, but you still have this issue, I would then recommend that you test your Evo 4G LTE in safe mode. This will disable third party apps and processes from launching when the phone is powered on. You will still be able to make and receive calls, text messages, email, and use the internet.
To put your Evo 4G LTE into Safe Mode, use the following steps. Be patient with these steps, you may not get it into Safe Mode on the first attempt.
Go into settings>power and uncheck Fastboot, then power off your phone.
With the phone powered off, press the Power key on your device.
When you see the first load screen, press & hold Volume Down key until OS loads.
"Safe Mode" text will appear on the lower left of screen to advise that you are in safe mode,to get out of safe mode just restart the phone.
If you can access these apps fine in safe mode, this would indicate some kind of conflict or interference from a third party application. You would need to rule them out by uninstalling the apps until you find that the phone is working normally again.
If the issue persists in safe mode, I would then recommend that you back up your data and perform a factory reset. If you would like assistance with backing up your data, please let me know and I will walk you through this process. The reset will restore the phone to a "like new" state. All personal data such as emails, text messages, internet bookmarks, photos, videos, music, documents, settings, call history, market apps, and any contacts and calendar entries that have not been backed up to a PC or server will be erased. Data on the SD card is not affected by the reset.
To reset your Evo 4G LTE, use the following method :
***If you use Google Wallet, please perform these steps before you perform the reset***
-Open Google Wallet application
-Tap on Menu
-Tap on Settings
-Tap on Reset Google Wallet
1. With the device turned off, press and hold the Volume Down button. While continuing to hold this, press and release the Power Button.
2. When the factory reset menu appears, then release the Volume Down button.
3. Use the Volume Down button again to highlight FACTORY RESET, and then press the Power Button to select it.
I hope that these steps help you to gain access to these apps properly again, Stephen, and I hope you have a great day!
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Im going to have to disagree with people and say, being stock along with all the updates have really improved my experience with sense 4. I've owned this phone since launch and really hated its performance. I eventually sold it and got a GS3 for 2 months and now I eventually want Galaxy Note 2. Anyways I sold the GS3 in a attempt to raise money for the note 2 but came across a great deal on a stock white Evo, which i now own. Let me tell you. This baby is silky smooth in stock form, much better than anything I've been flashing.
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here's what HTC told me to do ... it may have made some improvement ... time will tell.
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It's definitely no fun when your phone stops working as expected, and I'll be glad to help you get your phone back in working order! To best assist you I'll need to know what phone you have, but from your description it appears you have an Android powered phone. With this is mind I believe that we should try wiping the phone's cache partition. For your convenience I've attached a document that details how to perform the wipe. This does not delete any critical data from your phone like contacts, so you don't have to worry about losing any data. If this does not correct the concern please let me know, and also include the serial number for your phone so we can research the situation more deeply. Thank you for being a member of the HTC community, and I hope you have a wonderful afternoon!
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It appears that clearing caches/app data doesn't help with the problem, but rebooting into safe mode (press and hold vol down during the splash screen) does fix it. I believe this means that there is a 3rd party app causing the problem. Now to start uninstalling apps till the problem fixes itself. Ugh. Considering the problem doesn't occur half the time this will be a difficult process... Anybody have any suggestions on how to quickly figure out which app is causing this aside from uninstalling them one by one?
Check for cpu hogs
It sounds like u may have a cpu hog or a poorly written app. U might be able to tell what it is by checking your battery usage. Setting ngs/battery/battery usage
Biggest usage should be screen and android system ect.
If not, there may be a some apps to check that for u.
but if it comes to it, after the factory reset, start with the necessary apps, stock plus Google apps. After that do ur widgets, wait a few hours, add a few more, and wait.
This way u can limit new processes and boil it down to a few.
Good luck
Interested to see what app you are using that's causing issues. Good luck as well.
Hello XDA Community, I have come to turn to you looking for a little bit of light to bed shed on my first forray into real mobile technology and learning to root.
I recently was ably to root my Note 3 (n900a - mj5) with Kingo, and it was incredibly easy! I have this community to thank for helping me find that information. After doing a basic root ( no flashing or anything) I went ahead and started to remove all of the bloatware on my device. I followed some basic guides and the spreadsheet for Bloatware that is floating around, and I can also reverse any particular uninstall if I need to. Everything seems to function fine, but what I have noticed since rooting my phone (which I basically did right away, so I have no real comparison as to how it should function normally) was that I often get a notification "Unfortunately, X program has stopped working" with various programs. It initially started while I was doing the first uninstalls with Advanced Uninstall Expert. I would queue up a number of programs to uninstall, and after a couple would go it would inevitably give me the aforementioned notification. It doesn't cause many serious problems, but it is certainly disconcerting on a new device to see it so much.
So to my main question, does this seem like something I may have caused with maybe a small uninstall of a system program (even though it happened before I had uninstalled more than a couple of simple obvious apps) or is this maybe an instability with the phone / OS? Should I unroot and factory reset, then use it normally to see if this still persists? I just picked the phone up on Friday and so I am within my 14 day period, and I still have 0x0 so I could do that if this seems like a problem with the device. I am just very inexperienced in regards to this field and want to reference any other sources I can.
Thank you in advance for any insight you can offer regarding this problem, I look forward to seeing any responses you have for me.
Sounds like you are just freezing apps and not deleting them? How are you going about freezing them? Is it Knox security warnings by chance? Did install recovery and make a backup? I would unfreeze all apps if you have in fact just been freezing them so you are stock other than root and try it out for a day. If it's still happening you may need to Odin back to stock and see if that helps.
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Thank you so much for the reply.I usually just press the home button to exit and then I will use the app manager to end the active processes. I recently found the way to clear apps from memory and I'm keeping an eye on it now. The only weird thing is I seem to be running about a constant. .9 gigs in my ram when only swift key is running even after clearing my ram so I'm trying to figure out what that's all about. Anyways I will most likely Odin to stock and take a slower approach to trying things out. Thank you once again for the information.
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Thank you so much for the reply.I usually just press the home button to exit and then I will use the app manager to end the active processes. I recently found the way to clear apps from memory and I'm keeping an eye on it now. The only weird thing is I seem to be running about a constant. .9 gigs in my ram when only swift key is running even after clearing my ram so I'm trying to figure out what that's all about. Anyways I will most likely Odin to stock and take a slower approach to trying things out. Thank you once again for the information.
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Nothing wrong with .9 gigs ram. On odex blue I usually sit around 1.4 to 1.6 gigs. Not sure what your looking to get out of it but your not going to see better running touch wiz. There are a few debloated roms you may want to try rather than trying to accomplish it yourself.
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I have 2 Note 3's in our household rooted with Kingo and they don't have such problems. Sounds to me like you've frozen or uninstalled some programs that are causing the unstableness. I've been too enthusiastic before in the past freezing and deleting bloatware & other system apps and experienced similar issues as yours.
These days, I keep the freezing and deleting to a minimum.
I say possible because the possible solution is basically disabling a system app, but this was after disabling other system apps and mucking around with settings, so it might be a combination of apps being disabled, but i dont think so
By the way, i can confirm that twrp from the here https://forum.xda-developers.com/nokia-1/development/unlocking-rooting-nokia-1-stock-rom-t3832230 works, and so does the latest magisk 17.
Twrp
Ive succesfully used the backup/install feature but havent had the courage yet to test the wipe and restore (data,system) feature, although following that ^ guide ^, looks like restore recovery/boot image works, so thats hopefully a good sign
Magisk
Following that guide, use twrp to flash, no major issues with installation.
Note, if you follow that guide and you come to the bit where the stock recovery only shows "no commands", hold press power button + up volume for a sec or two, or at least thats what i read somewhere, read somewhere else to just press these buttons continually on and off, which i did randomly, and eventually the stock recovery options appeared, dont know why this is this way
Anyways, the culprit, assuming im right barring the above reasons was........a system app called EMM or emmupdate (literately the apps name changed on my phone, i remembered it was emmupdate and now, after checking, its changed to emm, thats weird)
I used a root based logcat app
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.dp.logcatapp/
to try and see if there was anything to see, using a particular app i could reliably duplicate the issue with (swiping away from recents app would turn off this apps service removing its notification a couple seconds after being cleared from recents, this app being https://play.google.com/store/apps/...ite&pcampaignid=APPU_1_LUahW_D4DonSgAajx4y4Aw
Paused the logcat searched for the app, and saw a reference with this app, showing the emm app and references to "killing"
Solution
My particular solution was this app,(requires root)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kunkunsoft.rootservicedisabler
(i dont think you can disable this emm app normally like some system apps, check, i could be wrong)
-in my brief researching this area, i saw discussions that you may be able to do this with adb(i dont know for sure, but might be worth looking into it yourselves, if you dont want to root, no guarantees)
The service disabler app lets you disable, well, services, and this emm app had one service attached to it called "MemoryManagerService", so maybe thats what did it, and not the disabling of the app, so i suggest that if you use this app, also disable the service as i did, for the emm app if disabling the app only, did nothing
IMPORTANT- Reboot the phone after, as thats when the change took affect for me
Ive rebooted, slept, and cleared recents and so far, multiple background apps that were continually being killed before, have NOT been killed
Hope this helps, hope it works.........silly that we have to do this
Well i did the same thing by analyazing the logcat through adb. What i found was that any app was killed after this so called emmservice in emmapp was run. After this the activity manager simple killed that app.
To check i choose emm app and turned d switch off under background apps in developer options. Also fc emm.apk. but still problem was there.
Ill check your workaround. It sounds more promising.
coolboyforeva said:
Well i did the same thing by analyazing the logcat through adb. What i found was that any app was killed after this so called emmservice in emmapp was run. After this the activity manager simple killed that app.
To check i choose emm app and turned d switch off under background apps in developer options. Also fc emm.apk. but still problem was there.
Ill check your workaround. It sounds more promising.
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If you get the time, let us know if it works, that way anyone else with the same issue who comes across this thread at least has a way to make the phone multitask
An open source alternative to the disable services app, is an app called oandbackup on the fdroid store(like titanium backup), has a feature that lets you disable apps(requires root), aswell as backup/restore apps and their data, its very good
I just tried looking for a non root solution, but it seems that adb solution i briefly saw earlier also needs root
Besides that, like i said in my first post, it could have been the disabling of emmupdate/s service in the disable service app, so if disabling alone doesnt do it, try disabling the service aswell...........i kinda wanna know the least amount of steps to get it fixed, so if disabling did it alone, that would be worth knowing
Gd luck
Spoke to soon, seems like there might be a way to use adb without root to disable system apps https://www.androidpit.com/uninstall-system-apps-without-root, whether it works on oreo i dont know.
The article solution implies the this will uninstall the apps, but apparently, according to a commenter in that article, it deletes a part of the app in a certain place in android that essentially just disables it, if you did a factory reset, the app would return
If it works, at least users wont have to go through the trouble or risk of mistake in flashing twrp/root or any other modifications to fix it, assuming just disabling emm....... works.
banderos101 said:
If you get the time, let us know if it works, that way anyone else with the same issue who comes across this thread at least has a way to make the phone multitask
An open source alternative to the disable services app, is an app called oandbackup on the fdroid store(like titanium backup), has a feature that lets you disable apps(requires root), aswell as backup/restore apps and their data, its very good
I just tried looking for a non root solution, but it seems that adb solution i briefly saw earlier also needs root
Besides that, like i said in my first post, it could have been the disabling of emmupdate/s service in the disable service app, so if disabling alone doesnt do it, try disabling the service aswell...........i kinda wanna know the least amount of steps to get it fixed, so if disabling did it alone, that would be worth knowing
Gd luck
Spoke to soon, seems like there might be a way to use adb without root to disable system apps https://www.androidpit.com/uninstall-system-apps-without-root, whether it works on oreo i dont know.
The article solution implies the this will uninstall the apps, but apparently, according to a commenter in that article, it deletes a part of the app in a certain place in android that essentially just disables it, if you did a factory reset, the app would return
If it works, at least users wont have to go through the trouble or risk of mistake in flashing twrp/root or any other modifications to fix it, assuming just disabling emm....... works.
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I tried. I can confirm the root method works. However, i also did the adb method. The adb too works. Apps are not killed by android now. No need to unlock bootloader, root or twrp. It just executing 2 commands
Code:
adb shell pm clear com.evenwell.emm
adb shell pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.evenwell.emm
And then reboot.
This clears the app data and disables the app for current user.
And, moreover it survives ota updates too. !!
Only thing to keep in mind is that if you factory reset, you have to re execute above 2 adb commands.
So now all sorted. Just a matter of executing 2 commands.
coolboyforeva said:
I tried. I can confirm the root method works. However, i also did the adb method. The adb too works. Apps are not killed by android now. No need to unlock bootloader, root or twrp. It just executing 2 commands
Code:
adb shell pm clear com.evenwell.emm
adb shell pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.evenwell.emm
And then reboot.
This clears the app data and disables the app for current user.
And, moreover it survives ota updates too. !!
Only thing to keep in mind is that if you factory reset, you have to re execute above 2 adb commands.
So now all sorted. Just a matter of executing 2 commands.
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Very nice, now we know a solution
There you go folks, thanks to coolboyforeva's info, work, testing, and confirmation, anyone who comes across this annoying issue now has a non root solution to fix it, two adb commands.............not to bad, not to bad at all
Cheers CBF, for finding the specific adb commands, and the helpful info, hope it was'nt to much of a bother...........doing gods work pal
can confirm that the adb method works and can easily multitask now... thanks guys... no force closures of app now.....
Any you guys noticing a delay after reboot for your user apps to start, or just me.
Edit: even during operation(comes and goes), example app = Tasker
Edit2: mmmm, i have a suspicion it might be something to do with gaining root from magisk. Magisk has a few settings that changes how this works, so i might mess around with that first and see what happens. Might also just be tasker/oreo incompatibilities, or perhaps conflicting tasks
Probably gonna look into it, ill post here if i find anything, unless someone beats me to the punch, suspect its one of the manufactor's sytem "optimizing" apps..........
Was hoping we'd be swimming in custom roms, seing as our device SEEMS to be treble compatible and so cheap, a nice bloat free working lineage as daily driver..........guess ill have to stream line stock as much as possible until that day hopefully comes
banderos101 said:
Any you guys noticing a delay after reboot for your user apps to start, or just me.
Edit: even during operation(comes and goes), example app = Tasker
Edit2: mmmm, i have a suspicion it might be something to do with gaining root from magisk. Magisk has a few settings that changes how this works, so i might mess around with that first and see what happens. Might also just be tasker/oreo incompatibilities, or perhaps conflicting tasks
Probably gonna look into it, ill post here if i find anything, unless someone beats me to the punch, suspect its one of the manufactor's sytem "optimizing" apps..........
Was hoping we'd be swimming in custom roms, seing as our device SEEMS to be treble compatible and so cheap, a nice bloat free working lineage as daily driver..........guess ill have to stream line stock as much as possible until that day hopefully comes
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Yes there is delay. Bt i think it would be there. Initially when apps were killed u had enough ram to quickly process any app. But now since apps reside, android ram management has to manage. And that delay in app starting maybe coz be hardware. Its a low grade mediatek chipset. I dont expect it to be quick. (Atleast it auto start apps after delay). But yes if you could find some clue to optimize , that would be good.
Meanwhile i am looking for a pie rom. treble rom works on our nokia 1. I flashed phh treble pie gsi. It boots normal. Only thing is you dont get notified of incoming calls, no rings. Outgoing calls work normal though. So it cant be used.
Link for rom : https://forum.xda-developers.com/pr...vice-development/aosp-9-0-phh-treble-t3831915
If this issue is resolved we could have a ready pie rom too.
coolboyforeva said:
Yes there is delay. Bt i think it would be there. Initially when apps were killed u had enough ram to quickly process any app. But now since apps reside, android ram management has to manage. And that delay in app starting maybe coz be hardware. Its a low grade mediatek chipset. I dont expect it to be quick. (Atleast it auto start apps after delay). But yes if you could find some clue to optimize , that would be good.
Meanwhile i am looking for a pie rom. treble rom works on our nokia 1. I flashed phh treble pie gsi. It boots normal. Only thing is you dont get notified of incoming calls, no rings. Outgoing calls work normal though. So it cant be used.
Link for rom : https://forum.xda-developers.com/pr...vice-development/aosp-9-0-phh-treble-t3831915
If this issue is resolved we could have a ready pie rom too.
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Cheers buddy, nice to know these things, good to know that theres already an initial treble rom.
Gonna wait for incoming call ring support, might give it a couple of months actually, before trying out any rom that might come along, let the bugs get settled if any, assuming were lucky enough to get a maintainer
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Commenting about the slow response time of user apps, normally i'd agree with you on the outdated hardware, but either the rom is very streamlined or the hardware is not so bad, as the phone is surprisingly snappy when its not stalling, which leads me to believe its a system app/service........ive had slow devices, and usually, everything is slow all the time, either because outdated hardware or heavy rom, so hopefully its a system app
Adb method works well here, tanks a lot. No UB, no root.
I'll be trying the ADB method when have enough charge as had to take Nokia 2.1 back and for that device having a Snapdragon I can confirm that this Nokia 1 is quicker by a mile
I done the adb method and it's worked!!!
thank you guys for this hack. multi-tasking is finally working and alot of overlays and apps are now working without closing.
I'll share with you something i found to make this phone really fast: in developer mode disable animations from x1 to OFF. Then turn ON gpu for 2d drawings. And reboot.
Now it will be buttery smooth!!