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When you are able to access the root, it asks you a bunch of questions. (someone please post the screenshot, I cant find it.) It asks to what extent of debloating do you want. Debloat a little, debloat everything but keep nook features, debloat all nook to make it 100% android tablet.
What did everyone pick? any problems with the 100% android tablet?
Since our Nook is technically my wife's and she likes the Nook stock setup, I would choose no debloating, then use Ti Backup to remove only what I don't want.
If it were mine, I would do a full debloat and have an Android tab...
I chose the debloat that took out the second most information. First root ever for me, went fairly well. In hindsight, I wish I chose the "debloat-to-the-max" option.
Also I need to do more research, but I don't want my NT to run a launcher...I want a true, complete Honeycomb (ICS when available) tablet.
Yes, I would like to see some comments on that too.
For example, the Nook comes with an installed app for Pandora. Works fine. Now I know that I can install an "ad free" version but the ads are tiny and since I'm only listening it doesn't matter.
Someone please correct me if I I am missing the point.
I am rooted and have installed a bbunch of apps including alternate readers but I have not uninstalled anything.
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I chose the full debloat the first time, but decided that it was potentially too much, and chose to not debloat at all the second time.
After a few hours of bricking, bootlooping and rerooting, I've eventually settled on the "standard" debloat, a.k.a. option 1, where it takes out the trivial stuff. I think I would be happier with all the rest of the B&N apps gone (it's not like I have money to go and buy anything on them), but that's easy enough to fix with root.
I chose to not debloat as those BN apps not really bother me.
I chose the full debloating option. Everything works fine for me as I don't use any B&N content.
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Since our Nook is technically mywife's and she likes thw Nook stock setup, I would choose no debloating, then use Ti Backup to remove only what I don't want.
If it were mine, I would do a full debloat and have an Android tab...
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When you say Nook's stock setup do you mean the stock OS "launcher" Are you able to see the Android Market and android apps in the stock Nook Tablet OS app view?
I ask b/c my first go at I installed the honeycomb launcher and my girl didn't like this. She wanted the Nook to look the same but just have the android market app/icon alongside the nook app store icon. And any apps she downloads from the Android Market will show up in the stock nook app view. Is this how your setup works?
I don't debloat since I use mine as a book reader. For me it is too small for browsing and video, I use my transformer for those tasks.
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When you say Nook's stock setup do you mean the stock OS "launcher" Are you able to see the Android Market and android apps in the stock Nook Tablet OS app view?
I ask b/c my first go at I installed the honeycomb launcher and my girl didn't like this. She wanted the Nook to look the same but just have the android market app/icon alongside the nook app store icon. And any apps she downloads from the Android Market will show up in the stock nook app view. Is this how your setup works?
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I replied to your PM, but in short, no, side loaded Apps and Apps DLed from Android Market and Amazon App Market do not show up in the Nook "Library" so the can not be added the stock Nook home pages. I have some ideas to try, but it might be a few more days before my wife lets me experiment again!
I originally rooted about 3 weeks ago before debloating. Last night I re-rooted and choose the "standard" debloat, a.k.a. option 1, as that still gives me access to the B&N store as I do like to read and occasionally buy a book from there when I can't check it out from the library using Overdrive.
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I rooted, minimal debloat (buhbye netflix / pandora, kept the reader stuff. I love this tablet more than any gadget I own.
CAPSLOCK IS HOW I FEEL INSIDE
I used Media de-bloat (Pandora, Netflix) but those apps are still installed on my NT
I tried all of the methods and ended up with max debloat.
I didn't debloat, but use Indirect's post on debloater, and manually uninstall each on titanium backup. You can probably uninstall a few more if you like, ie google talk, cartalk, and some various services that you don't think you need. I do notice that once you debloat, your owner/account name will show "Unavailable", fyi.
I chose option 2. Press enter to continue. Any other to abort. Gotta love the hackers.
No de-bloat. Just rooted and blocked with gapps and every app from my phone that made sense. Used the backup on phone and restore on nook with Titanium.
No de-bloat, as I want the standard Nook setup with the freedom to download what I want. I used the Nook Color App Manager and now have all my 3rd party apps on my Nook home screen. I'm thinking of scraping the Homecatcher program, since I can easily launch the Go Launcher EX from my homescreen.
Hi Everyone,
Basically, I got my Samsung Galaxy Player 4.0 in January, and when it comes to the features, I have been loving it. This is my first Android device.
However, I have been having problems lately. First, some basic information: it's an 8gb device, and I have a 32gb class 10 microSD card in it. I have a huge number of apps on it (over 200), however, I keep careful tabs on what is running in the background, reporting an app if it runs in the background even when not needed and that will reopen if killed, and if I don't really need it, deleting it after a week. I've only had to do that with a couple of apps so far. As I use this a lot as a PDA (I don't have a phone, this basically covers those bases), I have a couple of things that always run in the background, which I want there (textplus, Linphone, MailDroid, SwipePad). After getting rid of the services that I don't need, I'm still looking at over 100MB free RAM. I'm still on the stock ROM, and I'm using GO launcher Ex. I reboot daily.
My problem is that it crashes often - sometimes daily. Usually, it will go something like this: An application freezes, the whole system becomes unresponsive, and I either have to reboot it by holding down the power button for 8 (?) seconds, or something snags and it reboots by itself. Usually the first sign is that the haptic feedback for the home button comes about a second later after I press it - except then it is almost always too late. The power button will usually turn the screen on or off, but the lockscreen won't appear, I'll see the screen as it was before, frozen. Sometimes, it eventually reboots, while sometimes it doesn't, making me hold down the power button to reboot it, and sometimes, just as it will start "becoming unfrozen" (it goes to the home screen and it starts loading), it will reboot.
It seems to be that after an approximate time of active use, it will crash. Before that, apps can freeze, FC, and within a few seconds, I'll be back on the home screen or in another app, doing something else. After that, on the other hand, it seems to me that whenever an app freezes or has a problem, it basically takes down the whole system with it.
Something tells me that this isn't just normal (otherwise Android wouldn't have over 50% of smart phone market share ), because I haven't heard of problems like this before, and other people with Android I know don't seem to be having the same problems (if any, at all). I have been reading around, and saw some thread about another phone describing similar problems, and it turns out it was a motherboard problem, so the phone was returned for warranty, except I don't remember where that was, I'm just hoping it's something like that...
OK, now that you've read my long post (sorry, I thought it would be best to give more details than get asked about them), I really hope this isn't something normal, because outside of this problem, I'm really enjoying all the possibilities, capabilities and flexibilities of Android (I'm looking at you, iPod). It's really quite aggravating, today I lost my public transit itinerary on Google Maps (I feature I love), and thankfully, I remembered enough to make it through, but it is quite frustrating. Please tell me this is not Android being Android?
Go Launcher is not Officially supported on these devices and swallows the small amount of ram very quickly, I tried it for a day and got rid of it because of how badly it impacted performance.
edit: looks like since I tried it they added support for our players, still won't run it, its to much of a system hog.
I don't know, but I tried switching to the default launcher, and it already crashed earlier than usual. Any other ideas? I'll try some other launchers over the next few days.
Sounds like you are running out of system resources. You say you have a couple hundred apps installed and I bet some of those are becoming active and hogging precious ram and cpu resources in the background until the system crashes. I have a 2 year old Samsung Captivate and I only have minimal amount of apps because it will often big down and become unresponsive and crash. So before you head out to a repair shop, remove some of your many apps and see if that helps.
So, if I understand, even if an app runs in the background for a short period of time, it still consumes resources, even after it's stopped running?
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So, if I understand, even if an app runs in the background for a short period of time, it still consumes resources, even after it's stopped running?
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If you have a titanium backup freeze apps that run in backround and see what happens ..when you open programs they will stay in memory so use some memory kill widget to clean memory from time to time.I have a stock rom witch is not very good with memory menagment so sometimes when memory is full it just stop and only help is restarting ..so i use app "quick system info" which give you memory ajd cpy usage displayed in status bar and when memory is close 2 full i just click on that and it kill all other aps except what a use in that moment.
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So, basically, the ROM is to blame? As to Titanium backup, I think that needs root, and I'm not quite ready to root yet (I've done enough hacking on my iPod). I do plan on upgrading to android 4.0 eventually (once all the issues get fixed, this is my main device, after all), and I think I'm going to have to root it at that point, but I'll be able to test it on a different ROM then, as well as try freezing apps. For now, I've tried LauncherPro, which seems a lot more lightweight, and it seems to be making it through the day until I reboot, and seems to be very stable... it also loads my widgets lightnight fast, which is great.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I understand it is:
obviously there are memory leaks, every OS has that
Android will not kill services, but only programs
If there are places where memory can be freed, Android will do that when necessary
If no memory can be freed, and there is barely any memory left, than a minor FC or a frozen app is all it will need to push Android off the cliff
Is this the way it works? And, then, when I upgrade to 4.0 (CM9), most of those problems should be gone (because of better memory management)?
I am shortly going to have a spare nook 8gb tablet lying around. It is already rooted and has cryogen 11 currently installed on it. I would like to re-purpose it for my son who is almost 6 into a learning tablet like a Nabi. Is there a ROM that I could flash to make it like I want or an app that i can install to severely lock down the device except for pre-approved apps. Thanks in advance.
With CM11 you should be able to setup a different user profile/login for your son and select which app is accessible to the secondary profile.
I used titanium backup and froze/deleted all the apps that I didn't my kids to use. Then, I use apex launcher and hid titanium/playstore. Whenever I need any of those hidden apps, I just have to reset defualt launcher and everything (not frozen) reappers.
So I've had the HDX 8.9" for a while and in general I love it. But there are some things about it that I don't like, and find myself wishing that I'd picked up an iPad Air instead of the HDX. I'm not sure what the current status of things is, but the fact that there's still a sticky post here saying there isn't a good way to recover bricked units doesn't fill me with a lot of confidence. OTOH, maybe the problems I face are resolvable without having to root the unit entirely.
1) Restricted to the Amazon App store. There's a bunch of apps that are just way out of date (Trillian, looking squarely at you...) or not present on the Amazon app store. I've worked around this to some extent by loading up the 1Mobile Market store. This allowed me to get the newer version of Trillian, Chrome, Bluejeans, and such installed. But even apps that work in general have some gaps; for example Chrome works fine as a browser but I can't sign in to sync up my bookmarks and such... it crashes the app when I try to do that. Perhaps there's a better market than 1Mobile that I should be trying instead, since getting Google Play up and running would require a full root to my understanding?
2) Notifications. The notification system on the Kindle sucks. On the iPad I had, which I was using before I got the Kindle, an incoming IM or such would flash a banner across the top of the screen before going to the standard system bar up top as an indicator. This doesn't happen on the Kindle. Worse yet, if I'm doing something like watching a TV episode, I often will not actually hear any sound come through for a Trillian notification, and will only realize that I got a message after the episode ends. I'm not sure if this is specifically a Trillian-related sound issue, and perhaps I should try another IM client on the Kindle, or if there's possibly an app that will work that will help me get an on-screen display for incoming notifications when I'm doing something that hides the notification bar, like reading a book/Marvel Unlimited or watching a video.
3) Growl support. On the iPad I ran an app called Prowl that would receive forwarded Growl events from my Mac. This allowed me to get notifications from IRC/Hipchat/etc that come from my laptop but ping my tablet. As I'm partially disabled due to arthritis, I take various breaks throughout the work day when my back or such starts acting up, and I try to stay connected to my coworkers and family using the tablet. I found a few assorted Growl-related apps around, but can't seem to find any that work on the Kindle.
4) Google Authenticator / Authenticator plus. I used to use GA on my phone (Droid 4) and then switched to Authenticator Plus, as it stores the info for the accounts in Dropbox so you can have multiple devices generate codes. However, I can't find that even on 1Mobile. (The plugins for it seem to be there but not the main app?) Thoughts around this would be helpful, though it may tie into #1.
5) Email. I really dislike the native email client. The Android and iOS Gmail apps are really solid and do what I want them to do. At one point I found out how to sideload enough APKs to get the Android Gmail app working, but that kept generating weird app crashes (some of them the Google libraries like Google Service Frameworks, some of them actual apps, like it was crashing Trillian when the library crashes popped up). Eventually I uninstalled those and went back to using the native client. I'm not sure if there's a better way to get Gmail sideloaded at this point that doesn't do that (as this was something I did right when I got the device, not long after they came out), or if there's another app that works well with Gmail. Specifically, I don't want it to take forever to download my mail. I'd rather have a list of sender/subjects with no message preview and have the message get pulled up when I touch it, than have to wait for it to download the message contents for everything up to the message I want before I can tap into it and have the message display. (If you tap into the message before the download completes it seems like the native client won't refresh the message when it is downloaded, which is just... crap.)
I'm no slouch with tech (I'm a Unix Systems Administrator by trade), and I have access to Win 7, Linux, and OSX Mavericks machines to do whatever is needed, but I'm definitely not an Android wizard. I did root my Nook Color back in the day, and the wife's, so I'm familiar with the kind of process to go about things, but I'm very wary of bricking a very expensive piece of hardware. (I've got the 64G model, ostensibly so that I could have video content downloaded locally if desired, to have lots and lots of books loaded on the device, and for games. However, several of the games that I was playing on iOS aren't available on the Amazon store but do have Google Play versions. When all is said and done, I really like the Kindle as a device, but I am getting rather annoyed by some of the software side of things that just are non-existent issues on the iPad.)
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4) Google Authenticator / Authenticator plus. I used to use GA on my phone (Droid 4) and then switched to Authenticator Plus, as it stores the info for the accounts in Dropbox so you can have multiple devices generate codes. However, I can't find that even on 1Mobile. (The plugins for it seem to be there but not the main app?) Thoughts around this would be helpful, though it may tie into #1.
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Actually I found that this was available as a native app (surprisingly so!), so this item is a non-issue.
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OTOH, maybe the problems I face are resolvable without having to root the unit entirely.
1) Restricted to the Amazon App store...
...I'm no slouch with tech (I'm a Unix Systems Administrator by trade), and I have access to Win 7, Linux, and OSX Mavericks machines to do whatever is needed, but I'm definitely not an Android wizard.
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Quit being afraid of root, there's no reason for it.
People are getting in trouble here because they haven't done much reading before they plunge in, and because they are messing with Safestrap and trying to install ROMs on a device with a locked bootloader. This is different than rooting, which is actually a pretty trivial and non-risky procedure, even for a nonslouch, nonwizard,
Follow instructions here and most of your problems will vanish:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2787813
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Quit being afraid of root, there's no reason for it.
People are getting in trouble here because they haven't done much reading before they plunge in, and because they are messing with Safestrap and trying to install ROMs on a device with a locked bootloader. This is different than rooting, which is actually a pretty trivial and non-risky procedure, even for a nonslouch, nonwizard,
Follow instructions here and most of your problems will vanish:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2787813
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Thanks. Went ahead and did that, and got the play store working. Any thoughts about the notification system post-rooting?
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Thanks. Went ahead and did that, and got the play store working. Any thoughts about the notification system post-rooting?
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Congrats. A firm step on the way to wizardom!
Native heads up notifications are a feature of a more advanced version of Android than the one we are chained to here. Otherwise, there are many apps that provide notification enhancements, but I don't have much experience to offer. Perhaps others may chime in to help with that.
I use the tablet mostly for playing. And I am used to move between them without issues. Unless I open a bunch of other apps or browser with multiple tabs and what not. The games remain running without issues or at least they used to. Normally I don't update anything, except for the games because they are live service and I can't play them if I don't. After learning that this update would improved multitasking I updated.
Ever since I can't keep the games open if I leave them for like 20 minutes or maybe less, haven't time it.
Using it as I did, closed them. So I decide to clear all and only play one. After a notification, went to that game for daily tap immediately went back to the prev game and it had close, which cost me a match. After finishing what I was doing on that game. I went to the settings to see if something was amiss. And all the apps I remember disabling that I couldn't uninstall like Youtube are still disabled. I don't have any social media app like FB or anything that would be constantly running. And went back to the game. Lo and behold had to restart again. I checked Dev options and Apps "Background process limit" still standard. Memory is at 4~4.5 with so much free I don't get I it's been so aggressive. Have 66 apps on "deep sleeping" have things like digital well being and other monitoring stuff also off. And the only thing I changed was enabling the "Labs" to allow Multi window for all apps. And just now, went to homescreen while I picked something from the kitchen, I know I didn't take more than 5 min because the screen didn't even timed out. And when I tap on a game, had to relaunch.
God this is ridiculously annoying. And non of the games updated since. I only updated a couple of apps from store.
And worst, I updated believing it would be better at multitasking. Like it would be smarter when using split screen, but it isn't. Maybe it does improve for Samsung apps. But I've seen nothing good from anything I use. And changes to the UI could've been implemented better. Like having dual pane only when you are holding the tablet lanscape. I remember having very old android device that had dual pane but revert to single if you hold them portrait.
I'm considering doing a full reset. But I'm hoping not too. Between the apps and games, which most are 5GB+ up to nearly 10GB it would take me a very long time to set everything again, Easily a full day for some games. (Very bad old, first gen copper line DSL)
Is anyone have any type of similar issues. Cause it would suck if I reset it and that's just how it works now. And it wants me to use the "keep open" feature. Which I don't like, I do like to use the clear all.
One of the main reason I got this particular tablet was for the multitasking. This is the first device I didn't try rooting out of the bat because of a warranty and what not and decided to give it a go as is. Now I'm not sure If I'm just spoiled by years for rooted and heavily modified devices. Or this is just a Samsung thing.
@Omizuke: Not sure if this is related to RAM management, but I'm also on September update. When I update apps via Play Store/Galaxy Store, the device will completely freeze for as long as 30 seconds. It just locks up, I can't do anything. Can't pull down the status bar, nav buttons don't work. Then suddenly it returns to normal. I get the same thing when connecting to WiFi or pairing via Bluetooth. ROM is clean flashed with Odin, i also did a factory reset.
This didn't happen at all on the July update.
I'm not seeing any issues with app killing, as you've described it. All opened apps continue running and I can return to them on demand. I play a lot of games, COD Mobile in particular, and I switch apps a lot between rounds.
I feel you on the not wanting to set up everything again. I save cached copies (APKs/obbs) of my games/apps on my SD card, so I can set everything up without Internet. Just use an app like Total Commander/X-plore to copy the apps.