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When I last looked at HTC Flyer some months back, the pen was only working in dedicated applications. Does anybody know whether this has improved? Has anybody installed the inofficial Honeycomb and can report whether the pen now works in all applications?
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It works on hc in the sense that you can scroll, select buttons, move through home screens etc
When we get Android 4, it will be supported in all applications
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Thanks to both. I look for a device to take notes in meetings and the like. My preferred application is "FreeNote, note everything" from flyable, available in Android Market. Do you anticipate that the pen is recognized by FreeNote, prior to Android 4?
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Thanks to both. I look for a device to take notes in meetings and the like. My preferred application is "FreeNote, note everything" from flyable, available in Android Market. Do you anticipate that the pen is recognized by FreeNote, prior to Android 4?
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The pen does not work in those apps as now we are on Gingerbread. But it is supposed to work on the next Honeycomb update.
The pen works in all app if you update to HC
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The pen works in all app if you update to HC
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Well , kind of...
not because HC thinks its a pen, but because in the HTC HC ROM , the pen mimics your finger in apps that are not specifically HTC Pen enabled. For example in Freenote, the app thinks the pen is your finger and the pen has no more functions than if you use your finger or a capacitive stylus.
Also, ICS won't do anything magical with the pen unless the app is written to use it. ICS has some built-in pen (digital stylus) primitives, but they are not the same as HTCs SDK and don't just magically work. They will recognize the HTC stylus if a application is written to use them.
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Well , kind of...
not because HC thinks its a pen, but because in the HTC HC ROM , the pen mimics your finger in apps that are not specifically HTC Pen enabled. For example in Freenote, the app thinks the pen is your finger and the pen has no more functions than if you use your finger or a capacitive stylus.
Also, ICS won't do anything magical with the pen unless the app is written to use it. ICS has some built-in pen (digital stylus) primitives, but they are not the same as HTCs SDK and don't just magically work. They will recognize the HTC stylus if a application is written to use them.
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This is very helpful information, thanks. It seems you have first-hand experience with Freenote and Honeycomb. Could you share your experience in more detail?
* Is it possible to write in normal size (in Paint mode) at normal writing speed?
* Is it possible to rest the wrist on the tablet while writing with the stylus (i.e., the touch screen gets inactivated when the stylus is in use)?
I played with Freenote a bit on the Flyer Honeycomb, but I don't use it as my primary note taker. I use the HTC notes app which is a custom version of Evernote. It works well and syncs with Evernote in the cloud and on PC. and is specially modified to take advantage of the HTC stylus.
Freenote with the pen works just like it works using your finger to write draw etc. The pen is more accurate, but that's the only difference.
So do those of you that have the pen feel it is worth it?
And I would also like to know if this would be a viable note taking option although I doubt it would be
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So do those of you that have the pen feel it is worth it?
And I would also like to know if this would be a viable note taking option although I doubt it would be
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With the HC update its very beneficial using the scribe pen almost on every app and I only use the notes app which it helps me draw charts, ideas, and record meetings instantly
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So do those of you that have the pen feel it is worth it?
And I would also like to know if this would be a viable note taking option although I doubt it would be
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Yes.
Yes.
Now for the long answers. I have been a user of Windows tablet PC's for years, all but one with Wacom digitizers (N-Trig on the HP Slate 500). With the addition of Honeycomb and Quill, I now have a note taking machine every bit as good and readable as my high end HP 2740p (with the exceptions of no Onenote - not available for Android, and no direct handwriting recognition). AND it is smaller and almost as thin as the SCREEN on the hP 2740p. I'm not sure what process Quill is using for rendering the ink, but it is a smooth and legible as pen on paper. One caveat, I have the Wrapsol screen saver on my HTC Flyer - one, to protect the screen, but equally important to give an even better writing surface than bare glass.
I haven't battle tested it yet (long meeting, lots of notes) but so far it is better than any solution I've tried (heaven help you if you want to take notes on an iPad with a capacitive stylus). The screen, at 7" is a little cramped, but it is so small and light to carry it is a no brainer to take to meetings or taking notes at your desk. On the issue of handwriting recognition, I feel that is an over-sold concept even on the Windows platform where recognition is excellent - if you have that much to write - you should type. I prefer to save my notes as PDF and store in the files on the server for reference, just like a paper notebook. The incredible advantage of Onenote (please bring it to Android Mr. Ballmer) is that it indexes your notes without conversion, so you can search for any word in a handwritten note. I believe Evernote can do something similar, but have not yet tried it.
Anyway, this is the best $299 (now you can get them at times for $239) I've spent in a LONG TIME on computer gear.
Dstraus--I recognize you name from the old tablet pc days. I have used those and still do since the beginning. I have just got the stock ota update to honeycomb and am excited to try out quill. Also it seems pdf viewer from a quick look will be a pdf annotator type experience on androod---hope so at least
Hi all
I am the OP of this thread. Thanks for your advice. I have just bought a HTC Flyer and installed Freenote. Works great! Taking notes electronically is now truly feasible. I can only support the notion that a capacitative stylus is a no go for serious handwriting. I now also register this second copy of Freenote (the first stays on my larger 10" pad, no pen :-( on that).
One thing that I did not get to work: Editor | Stylus | "Electromagnetic pen only". I thought that the magic pen of the HTC Flyer is electromagnetic, but when switching this option on, neither finger touch nor pen is recognized.
PS to dstrauss: the device is in Switzerland clearly more expensive than $239; but a good investment nevertheless
Is there anything I can do to use HTC stylus pen on my HTC on m8 max. I mean anything, installing any app, hacking anything anything. you can reach me on [email protected]
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Hi to all Flyer users,
I am writing this message because despite the fact that I love my Flyer and use it 24/7, I am still not using it for the very first reason that I bought it, to replace my big old tablet PC, for sketches.
When HTC announced the HTC Dev with the Scribe API not so long ago, I was very excited and I thought that we Flyer users would at last have a chance to use it for the main purpose we bought it. But no...
I just wanted to reach out to any coder who is capable of writing an app for the flyer, who understands a word of the coding for the Scribe technology out there. We as artistic Flyer users request an app to let us do sketches and drawings. I don't care at the end how expensive the app will be, because I am pretty sure that the first sketching app made for the Flyer will be bought by many people regardless the price.
If you are a developer who can write such an app, do it soon, because you are going to make lots of money, I'm sure.
I hope nobody finds this message in anyway rude or offensive, it is just that I really want to get full use of my Flyer and since HTC is doing nothing about it so far, XDA community is the only place I know that I can request such a thing.
Thanks to everyone in advance and thanks for understanding.
// I don't if this is even relevant but HTC has uploaded some codes in the HTC Dev website with screenshots of a drawing app, maybe if only those codes are used to make an app //
I feel your pain. I picked up the Flyer for the same reason, unfortunately, it fell short on that one area. The guy that wrote Fresco tried to integrate the pen function, but it hasn't worked.
The good news is, the Honeycomb update supposedly works the same way the finger touch does. Sketchbook Pro supports pressure sensitive pen, I am hoping HTC's pen works in Sketchbook Pro.
I know Fresco and I even tried to help Sean during this process. I respect him for being the only one out there, and doing what HTC is yet to do.
Are you sure that sketchbook has stylus compatibility, pressure sensitivity?
I have just read that the stylus works as a finger does on honeycomb but that does not mean that we will be able to use the pen options (width, pen type, color) still.
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No, I wasn't sure. I was hoping.
I just flashed Honeycomb myself and tried it for myself. I was not able to find Sketchbook Pro in the market so I tried the Express instead, you may or may not know, it doesn't have that pressure sensitive like the Pro version. Express won't even recognize the strokes. I then tried the Mobile version, this version works fine, but no pressure sensitive option.
So the result is still inconclusive until I actually try the pro version. At least right now I've got a precise pen with better color choices.
I'll still try to figure out how to put SB pro in my new Honeycomb Flyer.
In case you didn't know, Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet pen does have pressure sensitive in SB Pro, and it also use N-Trig pen like the Flyer.
[UPDATE] I had to side load Sketchbook Pro. It doesn't work.
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Hi everyone. I thought I'd add my agreement to this thread. I sent a message/request to HTC the other day asking for them to seriously consider doing some collaborative work with a leading company such as Autodesk so the Flyer can be what all of us who bought it for; that we should have access to a drawing/sketching /design app that does the Flyer justice, not just scribbling with 5 colours etc, that the pen api should at least have a colour wheel! I went on to say that the Flyer's market would improve greatly if they allowed the pen to be used to it's full potential...
I really don't get why they would make such a lovely thing but then not bother to finish it off properly... It's like making a really beautiful car and not supplying the wheels or something silly...
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The sad fact is that there is just not enough paying demand out there for high end sketch applications. HTC was targeting business users with the pen. Users such as doctors that would prefer a high accuracy interface like a pen vs. the finger for entering larger amounts of data quickly. Of course those markets are demanding and complex and won't tolerate a half finished product like HTC's. Professional users want a turnkey system, not something they have to fiddle with to get to kind-of-work. S0 the Pen on HTC has turned out to be more of a novelty than a useful tool, which is sad because it has great potential and I love it for taking notes.
HTC published the Pen SDK and Android 4.0 has native stylus support primitives so someone could realistically write an application that has pro caliber sketch functions. Probably happen later under 4.0 ICS as a port of an existing app. I just don't see enough demand for someone to write a new app.
Okay. I feel you are being the realist here. I don't know zip about Android (the flyer is my first touchscreen gizmo) and have been a Windows sucker for ever so don't know about Linux either, but how much would you think a developer would want for creating a color wheel for the stock stylus app? At least then we could draw with a decent colour range with Scribbler or even just in notes. In my ignorance, please forgive me, but the pen api sdk released by HTC would allow someone to do that wouldn't it? If I knew how I'd be on it like I don't know what...
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You would think HTC would have done such a basic feature , but they didn't.
In order to add it, you would need the source code for the current apps. HTC is not sharing that. The SDK provides primitive functions for building new applications. it does not allow you to add features to existing applications.
Sketching...
I am using Autodesk Sketchbook mobile... the sketchbook pro for android doesent work properly. I also have a Cintiq 21 to which the pressure tip is pretty nice.
as for the Flyer I have found if you select the brush tool and play with the settings you can almost get the same feel...
So no apps other then the notes app take advantage of the Pen in GB?
I'v heard that the pen is laggy in HC...
AS far as I know, only the notes app, PDF reader and browser in GB interact in some way with the pen.
Remember that the HC rom is a early beta, I have seen people have different results with the pen on HC, probably depends on what apps you have loaded. IF!!! HTC ever has a final release, I'm sure it will be much more reliable.
So there's no way really of even replacing the stock pen app - the one that pops up bottom-right, with summat better... Unless they were to release the source code for it?...
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Correct, that is part of the HTC Sense UI , its not just an app, it's tied into the Android framework.
That... sucks bum. Have HTC ever spoke of releasing the Sense UI?
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With the second HC leak, I can use Sketchbook Mobile with no issues. What I noticed that pressure sensitivity is related to the pen you choose and the images appear to be in line with how you draw. Also the repsonse is quite good, I didn't see any issues.
I'm not sure if you're a professional sketcher but I am not and the result is impressive to me.
One important note: When you use a quality protection film (preferably mat ones) the result is better. With natural screen, the fricton is too less to write accurately but with a good film, you cannot believe how the writing/drawing experience will improve.
Edit: Skitch app becomes very handy in HC too. Actually let me repeat once more: This device is much better with HC (or ICS) due to better pen support.
+1 for Sketch Book Mobile.
The it would be nice if the erase function would work, but otherwise it works great.
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With the second HC leak, I can use Sketchbook Mobile with no issues. What I noticed that pressure sensitivity is related to the pen you choose and the images appear to be in line with how you draw. Also the repsonse is quite good, I didn't see any issues.
I'm not sure if you're a professional sketcher but I am not and the result is impressive to me.
One important note: When you use a quality protection film (preferably mat ones) the result is better. With natural screen, the fricton is too less to write accurately but with a good film, you cannot believe how the writing/drawing experience will improve.
Edit: Skitch app becomes very handy in HC too. Actually let me repeat once more: This device is much better with HC (or ICS) due to better pen support.
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Let me clarify. You are saying that the pressure sensitive pen for the flyer works with sketchbook mobile on the newest HC leak, no extra development needed for the app to add the pressure sensitivity? So this means it doesn't have to use the stock colors and brushes for the native pen?
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Let me clarify. You are saying that the pressure sensitive pen for the flyer works with sketchbook mobile on the newest HC leak, no extra development needed for the app to add the pressure sensitivity? So this means it doesn't have to use the stock colors and brushes for the native pen?
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That's my observation (leak #2). When you choose broader brush, you can differantiate the pressure sensitivity better. It's also valid for the native notes where you choose the big brush.
I'm liking this... I'm no developer and therefore I really appreciate xda developers chat about this... I would like to use sketchbook mobile more with the pen and it's good that skitch works better too. Will be good to see if Fresco works too!
So then, following on... the stock pen part of the Android Sense UI becomes less used because the app itself is supported through support from HC (or ICS?), what can be done for/what good is the stock pen part of Sense UI? Is it potentially more powerful because it's native, in any way (ignorance possibly showing)? In terms of developing, what COULD the pen part of Sense UI do or be used for if it's superceded by the app's integral features? How could the pressure sensitivity of it be improved more.
Or...
Is it too late in on a Friday night for me to talk anything that's not utter trash?
Will have to get a matt screen protector by the way... Thanks for the suggestion.
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I'm liking this... I'm no developer and therefore I really appreciate xda developers chat about this... I would like to use sketchbook mobile more with the pen and it's good that skitch works better too. Will be good to see if Fresco works too!
So then, following on... the stock pen part of the Android Sense UI becomes less used because the app itself is supported through support from HC (or ICS?), what can be done for/what good is the stock pen part of Sense UI? Is it potentially more powerful because it's native, in any way (ignorance possibly showing)? In terms of developing, what COULD the pen part of Sense UI do or be used for if it's superceded by the app's integral features? How could the pressure sensitivity of it be improved more.
Or...
Is it too late in on a Friday night for me to talk anything that's not utter trash?
Will have to get a matt screen protector by the way... Thanks for the suggestion.
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This depends upon HTC. If they develop any better applications for the Flyer, we'll be able to use stock part and full pen function (like erase button).
If HTC would publish (or support a 3rd party whichsoever) a better and more professional notes (something like Quill), and a good paint/sketch app I will definitely buy them. But the question is if HTC will do that.
Hi I just did Globatron's HC upgrade and tried to install Sketchbook Pro. Everything looks fine until I try to draw, the screen is all scrambled. Like there is a issue with resolution or something. Is anyone else having this issue? Any solution? Fresco works but I'm looking for Pressure Sensitivity and SKetchbook seems like the only good App for Sketching. Any Suggestion?
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Hi I just did Globatron's HC upgrade and tried to install Sketchbook Pro. Everything looks fine until I try to draw, the screen is all scrambled. Like there is a issue with resolution or something. Is anyone else having this issue? Any solution? Fresco works but I'm looking for Pressure Sensitivity and SKetchbook seems like the only good App for Sketching. Any Suggestion?
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I never had SBP working on HC leak 1 or 2 or 3. You did?
yeah it doesn't seem to work for me too. Can you at least install it? I got it to install with menu and options, it's just when I try to draw when the screen goes nuts. Looks like it's a screen resolution issue of some sort. I have a screen shot I'm going to send to them.
I have loaded it with no problem on each of the three HC leak ROMs and it opened fine and all navigation throughout app worked too. Like you, I get the wonky input distortion when using the stylus. I don't believe I ever tried if finger input worked. I just immediately uninstalled and loaded SB Mobile.
Sketchbook Mobile Pro is working good for me. The one for larger tablets won't though....requires higher resolution. It is not just a matter of OS, but also screen resolution....
are you talking about Sketchbook mobile? I know that works. Just emailed AutoCAD about SB pro and they think it maybe pen related. I think it is a screen resolution issue personally. But lets see how far I get with tech support, I sent them a screen shot. But in the mean time I happy with Sketchbook mobile and fresco app. Hope we can get SB pro working.
To my dismay, Sketchbook Pro performs as you say. Everything looks fine until you try and draw and then the canvas goes crazy.
The problem with Sketchbook mobile is it doesn't support pressure sensitivity, which makes it pointless, imho.
I feel like I'm back at square one. First I had the flyer on GB and couldn't get pressure sensitivity to work. Now that I have HC and the pen works everywhere, pressure sensitivity doesn't work in SKP.
Also, pressure sensitivity does not work in Photoshop Touch either. I wonder if HTC is doing something extra with their pen stuff that overrides Android's pen implementation.
i think its our screen size. And sketchbook pro didn't put into account 7" tabs with scribe pens. Hopefully it should be a easy fix for them. I think the app works its just not calibrated for our screen.
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To my dismay, Sketchbook Pro performs as you say. Everything looks fine until you try and draw and then the canvas goes crazy.
The problem with Sketchbook mobile is it doesn't support pressure sensitivity, which makes it pointless, imho.
I feel like I'm back at square one. First I had the flyer on GB and couldn't get pressure sensitivity to work. Now that I have HC and the pen works everywhere, pressure sensitivity doesn't work in SKP.
Also, pressure sensitivity does not work in Photoshop Touch either. I wonder if HTC is doing something extra with their pen stuff that overrides Android's pen implementation.
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THERE IS NO ANDROID PEN SUPPORT folks. The pen works in drawing apps on the HTC HC because it mimics your finger. HC has no built-in pen support. HTC added it. If an app needs something that your finger can't do using the pen then the app has to know about the HTC styus SDK.
Sketchbook Pro draws with pressure sensitivity on the HTC jetstream so I'm not sure I follow.
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Well clearly most apps don't work like that, and its not built-in on HC, so my guess is that the app developer has software that reads the type of digitizer that is present and uses the manufacturer's API libraries to provide functions. In this case HTC's Digital Stylus SDK, which is open source and available on HTC's website.
Therefore the problems that show up in the app and when you try to run apps built for the Levono because there is no built-in standard software to support the pen hardware in Android. ICS takes a step in that directions with some pen primitives in the API, but the apps will have to be re-written to work with those ICS functions, they are not the same as HTC or Levono API.
read this for more:
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/1...ive-active-pen-support-in-ice-cream-sandwich/
Well it doesn't even work with finger. I would think with or without the HTC scribe pen you should be able todraw with it. To me it looks like the app is having issue with our screen size versus the larger 10" tablets this and other apps are design to run on. Don't even think it was ever an exclusive for Lenovo. Anyways so it looks like there is suppose to be SB Pro for android version 2.0. Been talking to tech support at autodesk and it should solve our problems, hopefully. Waiting on their reply on how I can get it since market doesn't show the updated version yet, still version 1.0. if anything turns up i'll let you guys know.
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Looks like SB pro version should be releasing soon. They gave me no timetable but said it won't be long. I'm hoping for a happy holidays.
Sketchbook Pro goes 2.0
Just wanted to let you all know that Sketchbook Pro has gone version 2.0 and now works with the pressure sensitive Flyer!
If you own it, go get the update. It's worth it.
For those that dont' own it, go buy it because it's on sale for .99c
Great that SPB is now showing Flyer love. Nice companion to Photoshop Touch. SPB pressure sensitivity on Flyer does uncover the Flyer's lesser sensitivity levels than say the Lenovo Thinkpad. For my uses, the Flyer reads sensitivity in SBP well enough
Hell yeah, that's a nice surprise. It's nice how they really are keeping to their word, unlike some tablet manufacturer(s). This indeed makes a great companion to touch, here is hoping to Adobe stepping up and making it for our flyer(lower Resolution). I'm also interested in Adobe Ideas, would be nice to get it working properly on the Flyer. I decided to to a little digging and menu isn't compatible with the smaller screen resolution. Still sort of workable, but a enjoyable experience.
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Hell yeah, that's a nice surprise. It's nice how they really are keeping to their word, unlike some tablet manufacturer(s). This indeed makes a great companion to touch, here is hoping to Adobe stepping up and making it for our flyer(lower Resolution). I'm also interested in Adobe Ideas, would be nice to get it working properly on the Flyer. I decided to to a little digging and menu isn't compatible with the smaller screen resolution. Still sort of workable, but a enjoyable experience.
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Yeah...Ideas not too workable for me on Flyer like in is on my Xoom and assume it is on a Puccini or Thinkpad. PST + SBP = productivity tool for basic creative tasks on Android slates >>> finally!
I was under the impression that the stylus pressure sensitivity for SBP 2.0 works, but it doesn't... for me at least.
you need to check the preference inside the program to allow the pressure sensitivity to work. If you hit the "i" goto preference.
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you need to check the preference inside the program to allow the pressure sensitivity to work. If you hit the "i" goto preference.
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Thanks... took me a long time to figure that out.
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Just wanted to let you all know that Sketchbook Pro has gone version 2.0 and now works with the pressure sensitive Flyer!
If you own it, go get the update. It's worth it.
For those that dont' own it, go buy it because it's on sale for .99c
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Does anyone know of another option (other than the Market) to buy this app?
Because of some unknown charges, I closed my Google Wallet account and have been unable to find it any place.
I've seen several advertisements about Notes for Flyer. I think it's really neat that they can write things as if you're writing in a notebook and highlight notes as well. I love to take notes that's why Flyer is in my wishlist for this year. Im just wondering what other advantages does Notes of Flyer have compared to other tablets. Or any comment for Notes of Flyer
There are a bunch of different note taking apps for Android, with similar features, and no clear "go-to" app. The Notes app on Flyer is a customized version of Evernote, which works well enough. The ability to access your notes on other Android devices (phone) and yout desktop computer is very useful. But I think most of the other note apps do this as well. I'd say the main attraction of the Flyer/Notes combo is the pen support.
I have to second redpoint73, The scribe pen is well worth it.
The strong points are the software integration throughout the OS and the hardware support for them scribe pen.
There are other good note taking apps but if you want to take handwritten notes then the flyer or jetstream are worlds apart from the competition.
I've used various notes apps on an ASUS Transformer with a capacitive stylus and it qualifies as functional but its not all that great and lacks a lot compared to the scribe technology. It ticks the box for taking notes but doesn't make them very useful and not all of them sync that well with other platforms. Prior to getting a flyer i used inkseine on an HP Slate. It has essentially the same screen and pen hardware and its the closest i've seen to the same experience.
Hello everyone. So currently I am considering getting the HTC Flyer. I can get one for around $160 USD (used but in good condition). Is it worth it? I definitely cannot afford new tablets but a used one with decent specs would do. I am about to enter college in the fall and was wondering if this tablet would be useful for this purpose, specifically because of the pen. Does the pen seem more like a gimmick or is it really useful (like with school and professional related tasks). Also, if I do get the HTC Flyer, can you all share what are great apps to make this device extra handy (apps which utilize the pen, notes and documents).
Recommended accessories would also be nice! Affordable ones that is. The pen is already sooooo expensive (IMHO) and I WANT it!!!
Is it advisable to update to HC or leave it on Android 2.3? I like the new pen features of HC but it seems HC is buggy (from what I read on this forum) and that isn't favorable when I may be taking notes in college with this thing.
I just want to get a device that would help me all round. Some entertainment here but useful in the classroom. I am on a tight budget (still have to get a laptop so please consider that)
I really appreciate everyone's time. I look forward to hearing from you all.
I purchased the flyer specifically for the pen usage and am very satisfied with it. I upgraded to honeycomb and if your main use is for the pen I suggest that you do too. I like the ability to annotate books in either epub or PDF. I like the feature in the stock notes app where you can record and your written notes are time stamped and synced with the recording and ultimately with evernote. however I don't particularly like how writing the notes are implemented (it is constantly wasting time autosaving). if you are just taking notes I would suggest using apps such as quill or papyrus (I myself prefer papyrus - it is very smooth and uses both buttons on the pen). what else I have been doing is using the voice recording app along with apps such as papyrus then exporting them together into the notes app which then seamlessly syncs with evernote (yes I know it seems tedious but I only do this if i really need the lecture recorded). the only thing that I really desire is a fully functional handwriting recognition app. I downloaded a couple of apps (thanks to Gumby) such as notes mobile. they work fairly well however my handwriting is so poor it isn't worth it. my family does much better with it so perhaps you can too.
so all in all if the flyer is in good shape for $160 I would highly recommend it. if i think of anything else to say I will let you know.
The pen functionality is great for annotations on existing documents but it's not easy to take notes, like meeting minutes.
Anyway 160bucks is a nice price if you want a 7" tablet the flyer is great, but if you want to spend just 160bucks to replace a paper book to take notes in class that's going to disappoint you
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The pen functionality is great for annotations on existing documents but it's not easy to take notes, like meeting minutes.
Anyway 160bucks is a nice price if you want a 7" tablet the flyer is great, but if you want to spend just 160bucks to replace a paper book to take notes in class that's going to disappoint you
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just wondering which app do you use to take notes? I can see the difficulty if you are using the stock notes app (due to the constant autosaving) but apps such as papyrus are very smooth and I find note taking to be very easy and productive.
So far the stock tool and MS notes, I'll try papyrus and let you know
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@ericvv. Thanks for your input. I don't plan on using it to replace "book, paper and pencil". I just want something that can help with making supplementary notes. I really doubt *anything* can replace the pen and pad for serious notes.
Just asking...I remember reading that only ebooks bought from Kobo can be annotated through the supplied app. But...is there anyway to side load e-pub and pdf books and annotate them the same way? Like through alternative apps. The Kobo way would be kind of expensive.
Thanks everyone for you time.
I am using the app LectureNotes daily at my work to scribble down quick notes from meetings etc. It is actually working quite well and it has nearly eliminated my use of pen and paper, but only nearly .
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I am using the app LectureNotes daily at my work to scribble down quick notes from meetings etc. It is actually working quite well and it has nearly eliminated my use of pen and paper, but only nearly .
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And the developer is legend, I mailed him a couple of times with usability issues and within 3 or 4 days the updated app was on the marketplace. There is a free version to try, give it a spin.
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@ericvv. Thanks for your input. I don't plan on using it to replace "book, paper and pencil". I just want something that can help with making supplementary notes. I really doubt *anything* can replace the pen and pad for serious notes.
Just asking...I remember reading that only ebooks bought from Kobo can be annotated through the supplied app. But...is there anyway to side load e-pub and pdf books and annotate them the same way? Like through alternative apps. The Kobo way would be kind of expensive.
Thanks everyone for you time.
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I believe that the standard HTC reader app should let you annotate ebooks. I actually sideloaded an epub on my Flyer and noted that I was able to highlight and take notes on. However, it should be noted that I'm running LeeDroid for Honeycomb, so I have no idea how everything works when the unit is stock.
I initially purchased the Flyer because it was cheap and slightly more portable than my HP Touchpad (running CM9) for travel purposes (i occasionally need to run Citrix to access my company's desktop). I also preferred it over the Kindle Fire and Nook Tablet due to the existence of the cameras (I skype with my grandmother in Asia). Plus, the battery life on this thing is phenomenal. The fact that I got it for about $170 just made it all the sweeter. The only downside thus far, in my opinion, is the lack of ICS. I know a lot of people have commented that it is a single core machine. Since I don't really play any games on the tablet, this is a non-issue for me.
I thought that the pen was a total gimmick and unnecessary. For most of my uses, that is true. However, I figured out that my office can send me PDF documents, which I can sign using the pen, save the signed PDF, and send it back to my office. This does not happen that often, but it's a pretty neat feature to have.
Thanks everyone for the input. I made the plunge! I know this is off topic but...the Flyer I bought doesn't include a USB cable, only the charger. Would the standard USB cable work for this for PC connection? I really do hope so. Accessories for this thing already aren't cheap!
Yes normal usb cable is fine, for accessories look on eBay is not bad eve of for genuine HTC parts.
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That's where I normally buy my accessories. I looked for the OEM cable which is a bit pricey IMHO. I will use my old USB cable! IS it slower or anything to transfer data with this cable though?
No I didn't isn't, the port is only different from mechanical point of view to prevent that you put other devices on the flyer OEM charger and damage them.... The amount of amps is just dangerous for over devices..
For example when my wife uses her ipad charger to charge her iphone the phone gets really hot and probably would be damaged if kept on to long.
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I used Samsung note stuff for a while but I was never happy with how the pages were handled, and also the speed of drawing on the page was not impressive. The worst issue was that I was not able to sync between my devices because I do not use samsung account etc So I looked around and I tried bunch of apps and I settled with LectureNotes mostly because its indepth settings and it is no bull**** database approach which makes it syncable. A notebookis basically a folder with bunch of files in it in LectureNotes then I use Sycnthing to sync to other devices.
I highly recommend it to YB owners because I feel like it is a great fit and also the speed of drawing in it is much faster than my Samsun 10.1 it feels good. I also use it with real pen tip/notebook to make sketches that works great as well.
LectureNotes offer shortcuts to documents so you can just click an icon and open any document from the desktop.
Anyway I am not affiliated with the dev at all, but he has xda pages and he seems to be super responsive guy. And it is under active development. Check it out, give it a try. My biggest complaint about it is that it does not offer hand writing recognition like the Samsung app does. also no windows app. However it offers PDF exports.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.acadoid.lecturenotes
https://www.acadoid.com/
Fow the windows version there is an app called Write which has Android/Win/Mac support as far as I can tell not as feature rich as LectureNotes but seems good as a cross platform note taker. This one uses folders as well so you cna sync between devices.
hajkan said:
I used Samsung note stuff for a while but I was never happy with how the pages were handled, and also the speed of drawing on the page was not impressive. The worst issue was that I was not able to sync between my devices because I do not use samsung account etc So I looked around and I tried bunch of apps and I settled with LectureNotes mostly because its indepth settings and it is no bull**** database approach which makes it syncable. A notebookis basically a folder with bunch of files in it in LectureNotes then I use Sycnthing to sync to other devices.
I highly recommend it to YB owners because I feel like it is a great fit and also the speed of drawing in it is much faster than my Samsun 10.1 it feels good. I also use it with real pen tip/notebook to make sketches that works great as well.
LectureNotes offer shortcuts to documents so you can just click an icon and open any document from the desktop.
Anyway I am not affiliated with the dev at all, but he has xda pages and he seems to be super responsive guy. And it is under active development. Check it out, give it a try. My biggest complaint about it is that it does not offer hand writing recognition like the Samsung app does. also no windows app. However it offers PDF exports.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.acadoid.lecturenotes
https://www.acadoid.com/
Fow the windows version there is an app called Write which has Android/Win/Mac support as far as I can tell not as feature rich as LectureNotes but seems good as a cross platform note taker. This one uses folders as well so you cna sync between devices.
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For android I would recommend fiinote. Works pretty well.
carepack said:
For android I would recommend fiinote. Works pretty well.
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Sorry man, fiinote is slow as hell when it comes to drawing. I still recommend LectureNotes.
hajkan said:
Sorry man, fiinote is slow as hell when it comes to drawing. I still recommend LectureNotes.
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For drawings = artrage
carepack said:
For drawings = artrage
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Artrage is like 5 times slower than any other Android art app really. I recomend Ravioli, LayerPaint, Sketchbook, Infinite Painter if you want more natural drawing experience. I have no idea what the hell Lenovo was thinking when they thought that Artrage would be a good choice to put as a default art app on this tablet.
is there any chance to replace the hot button note taking app? I identified the default app to export wrongly and would like to replace it
I have a Win10 Yoga Book - great tool, I just wish I could take simple handwritten notes on screen, even if it means picking up a compatible Bluetooth pen, such as the recently released Wacom Bamboo Tip. Has anyone had any luck with taking notes directly on the screen?
tcarole said:
I have a Win10 Yoga Book - great tool, I just wish I could take simple handwritten notes on screen, even if it means picking up a compatible Bluetooth pen, such as the recently released Wacom Bamboo Tip. Has anyone had any luck with taking notes directly on the screen?
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The Bamboo Tip is not pressure sensitive (neither does it use Bluetooth - I might be wrong). If you don't need pressure sensitivity you can actually use your normal Lenovo Pen with WriteIt straight on the screen... No palm rejection though, but I use it frequently and it works quite smooth once you get used to it...
https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/es/en/...t-series/thinkpad-tablet-2/downloads/ds106113
jamespmi, what is your setup? I have worked with it for several days on my Win10 Yoga Book using the Real Pen stylus and the results have been a bit less than satisfactory. Perhaps I need to tweak the memory. What works best for you?
tcarole said:
jamespmi, what is your setup? I have worked with it for several days on my Win10 Yoga Book using the Real Pen stylus and the results have been a bit less than satisfactory. Perhaps I need to tweak the memory. What works best for you?
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What I use to do on all PC's first: Flushing the preinstalled OS and setting it up by hand. Debloating it to the max. The difference is more than surprising.
If you don't want to go through the Driver-Headache maybe "Sandman45654"'s Guide would be helpful for you:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/yoga-book/how-to/windows-guide-creating-windows-10-t3718823