Hi I just did Globatron's HC upgrade and tried to install Sketchbook Pro. Everything looks fine until I try to draw, the screen is all scrambled. Like there is a issue with resolution or something. Is anyone else having this issue? Any solution? Fresco works but I'm looking for Pressure Sensitivity and SKetchbook seems like the only good App for Sketching. Any Suggestion?
bucklee said:
Hi I just did Globatron's HC upgrade and tried to install Sketchbook Pro. Everything looks fine until I try to draw, the screen is all scrambled. Like there is a issue with resolution or something. Is anyone else having this issue? Any solution? Fresco works but I'm looking for Pressure Sensitivity and SKetchbook seems like the only good App for Sketching. Any Suggestion?
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I never had SBP working on HC leak 1 or 2 or 3. You did?
yeah it doesn't seem to work for me too. Can you at least install it? I got it to install with menu and options, it's just when I try to draw when the screen goes nuts. Looks like it's a screen resolution issue of some sort. I have a screen shot I'm going to send to them.
I have loaded it with no problem on each of the three HC leak ROMs and it opened fine and all navigation throughout app worked too. Like you, I get the wonky input distortion when using the stylus. I don't believe I ever tried if finger input worked. I just immediately uninstalled and loaded SB Mobile.
Sketchbook Mobile Pro is working good for me. The one for larger tablets won't though....requires higher resolution. It is not just a matter of OS, but also screen resolution....
are you talking about Sketchbook mobile? I know that works. Just emailed AutoCAD about SB pro and they think it maybe pen related. I think it is a screen resolution issue personally. But lets see how far I get with tech support, I sent them a screen shot. But in the mean time I happy with Sketchbook mobile and fresco app. Hope we can get SB pro working.
To my dismay, Sketchbook Pro performs as you say. Everything looks fine until you try and draw and then the canvas goes crazy.
The problem with Sketchbook mobile is it doesn't support pressure sensitivity, which makes it pointless, imho.
I feel like I'm back at square one. First I had the flyer on GB and couldn't get pressure sensitivity to work. Now that I have HC and the pen works everywhere, pressure sensitivity doesn't work in SKP.
Also, pressure sensitivity does not work in Photoshop Touch either. I wonder if HTC is doing something extra with their pen stuff that overrides Android's pen implementation.
i think its our screen size. And sketchbook pro didn't put into account 7" tabs with scribe pens. Hopefully it should be a easy fix for them. I think the app works its just not calibrated for our screen.
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To my dismay, Sketchbook Pro performs as you say. Everything looks fine until you try and draw and then the canvas goes crazy.
The problem with Sketchbook mobile is it doesn't support pressure sensitivity, which makes it pointless, imho.
I feel like I'm back at square one. First I had the flyer on GB and couldn't get pressure sensitivity to work. Now that I have HC and the pen works everywhere, pressure sensitivity doesn't work in SKP.
Also, pressure sensitivity does not work in Photoshop Touch either. I wonder if HTC is doing something extra with their pen stuff that overrides Android's pen implementation.
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THERE IS NO ANDROID PEN SUPPORT folks. The pen works in drawing apps on the HTC HC because it mimics your finger. HC has no built-in pen support. HTC added it. If an app needs something that your finger can't do using the pen then the app has to know about the HTC styus SDK.
Sketchbook Pro draws with pressure sensitivity on the HTC jetstream so I'm not sure I follow.
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Well clearly most apps don't work like that, and its not built-in on HC, so my guess is that the app developer has software that reads the type of digitizer that is present and uses the manufacturer's API libraries to provide functions. In this case HTC's Digital Stylus SDK, which is open source and available on HTC's website.
Therefore the problems that show up in the app and when you try to run apps built for the Levono because there is no built-in standard software to support the pen hardware in Android. ICS takes a step in that directions with some pen primitives in the API, but the apps will have to be re-written to work with those ICS functions, they are not the same as HTC or Levono API.
read this for more:
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/1...ive-active-pen-support-in-ice-cream-sandwich/
Well it doesn't even work with finger. I would think with or without the HTC scribe pen you should be able todraw with it. To me it looks like the app is having issue with our screen size versus the larger 10" tablets this and other apps are design to run on. Don't even think it was ever an exclusive for Lenovo. Anyways so it looks like there is suppose to be SB Pro for android version 2.0. Been talking to tech support at autodesk and it should solve our problems, hopefully. Waiting on their reply on how I can get it since market doesn't show the updated version yet, still version 1.0. if anything turns up i'll let you guys know.
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Looks like SB pro version should be releasing soon. They gave me no timetable but said it won't be long. I'm hoping for a happy holidays.
Sketchbook Pro goes 2.0
Just wanted to let you all know that Sketchbook Pro has gone version 2.0 and now works with the pressure sensitive Flyer!
If you own it, go get the update. It's worth it.
For those that dont' own it, go buy it because it's on sale for .99c
Great that SPB is now showing Flyer love. Nice companion to Photoshop Touch. SPB pressure sensitivity on Flyer does uncover the Flyer's lesser sensitivity levels than say the Lenovo Thinkpad. For my uses, the Flyer reads sensitivity in SBP well enough
Hell yeah, that's a nice surprise. It's nice how they really are keeping to their word, unlike some tablet manufacturer(s). This indeed makes a great companion to touch, here is hoping to Adobe stepping up and making it for our flyer(lower Resolution). I'm also interested in Adobe Ideas, would be nice to get it working properly on the Flyer. I decided to to a little digging and menu isn't compatible with the smaller screen resolution. Still sort of workable, but a enjoyable experience.
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Hell yeah, that's a nice surprise. It's nice how they really are keeping to their word, unlike some tablet manufacturer(s). This indeed makes a great companion to touch, here is hoping to Adobe stepping up and making it for our flyer(lower Resolution). I'm also interested in Adobe Ideas, would be nice to get it working properly on the Flyer. I decided to to a little digging and menu isn't compatible with the smaller screen resolution. Still sort of workable, but a enjoyable experience.
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Yeah...Ideas not too workable for me on Flyer like in is on my Xoom and assume it is on a Puccini or Thinkpad. PST + SBP = productivity tool for basic creative tasks on Android slates >>> finally!
I was under the impression that the stylus pressure sensitivity for SBP 2.0 works, but it doesn't... for me at least.
you need to check the preference inside the program to allow the pressure sensitivity to work. If you hit the "i" goto preference.
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you need to check the preference inside the program to allow the pressure sensitivity to work. If you hit the "i" goto preference.
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Thanks... took me a long time to figure that out.
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Just wanted to let you all know that Sketchbook Pro has gone version 2.0 and now works with the pressure sensitive Flyer!
If you own it, go get the update. It's worth it.
For those that dont' own it, go buy it because it's on sale for .99c
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Does anyone know of another option (other than the Market) to buy this app?
Because of some unknown charges, I closed my Google Wallet account and have been unable to find it any place.
Related
Samsung has just released the Galaxy Note.
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41837/samsung-galaxy-note-ifa-tablet-phone
5.5in screen is a bit small as a tablet, large as a smartphone. I am also no fan of SS's AMOLED and build quality.
But the integrated pen capability in software is amazing (due to the SSg's video). Wonder whether we will have something like that or can get something from that on our Flyers someday.
This might be a stupid question and probably premature right now. I know that the Flyer and the Galaxy Note are completely different devices (CPU, screen, ...). Assuming that SS uses the same n-trig technology in their Note, theoretically is there any chance that we can get Note ROM running on the Flyer?
Tell myself being optimistic, I have just had my Flyer for a month. I like it very much. Hope that amazing and hardworking XDA developers will bring us a lot of extra fun in the future.
Cheers.
Edit: the Note uses Wacom technology due to Cnet.
I really like the way this samsung tablet handles pen integration. After owning my View for a bit now I'm kinda disappointed with it. The pen integration is weak and the note apps is good, not great.
I'll definitely check out this samsung tab when it comes out.
It's nice but i doubt if it can defeat my Phatpad on my old WM05 device.
I hope the application provide option to resize the Page, very annoying if you have you stuck on the screen size when you have a lot of thing to draw.
Check this http://www.pocket-lint.com/news-gallery/41855/samsung-galaxy-note-hands-on/10#image
It has handwriting recognition, bring back memories to oldschool device
Oldschool but usefull .
Wait for Honeycomb for the Flyer and we will probably have the same functionality..
Good point
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Wait for Honeycomb for the Flyer and we will probably have the same functionality..
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I forgot about their hints at a Honeycomb update, and hopefully they are keeping a close eye on what Samsung has done.
This is getting interesting. It'd be cool if the Samsung Tabs had pen support too, and I'd even consider one since I loved my OG Galaxy Tab ... But I am something of an HTC fan. Hmmmm ...
Samsung galaxy note has no n-trig digitizer. It just passive capacitive digitizer. You can just look from the photos and videos that the big line width of the character and only two words per line, telling us that it is only passive technology.
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How about a port of Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet's pen integration? Lenovo uses the same N-trig technology just like HTC Flyer. I really like how it works with Sketchbook Pro pressure sensitive option, and allows the pen to navigate around like using your finger.
I have just about given up on HTC to give me a tablet I have always wanted.
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How about a port of Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet's pen integration? Lenovo uses the same N-trig technology just like HTC Flyer. I really like how it works with Sketchbook Pro pressure sensitive option, and allows the pen to navigate around like using your finger.
I have just about given up on HTC to give me a tablet I have always wanted.
-E.J.Su
"Talent is worthless without hard work."
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In Flyer Honeycomb you can use your pen to do everything you do now with your finger, support is massively improved.
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In Flyer Honeycomb you can use your pen to do everything you do now with your finger, support is massively improved.
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That's awesome to hear, by any chance do you know if the pressure sensitive pen works on Sketchbook Pro?
-E.J.Su
"Talent is worthless without hard work."
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In Flyer Honeycomb you can use your pen to do everything you do now with your finger, support is massively improved.
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Amazing, that's a real update. Your comment makes my day, Paul. I am looking forward to the reviews of your leaked Flyer Honeycomb rom. Thanks a lot for sharing.
@d2ey: I still keep my Xperia X1 running WM6.5. Stylus was great in WM.
@iwansuryo: Yes, SS Note does not use ntrig. CNET said that it uses wacom (0'20": http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20100730-264/samsung-galaxy-note-hands-on/). The pen seems quite precise.
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Amazing, that's a real update. Your comment makes my day, Paul.
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+1.
This is the first revelation that actually has me eagerly looking forward to Honeycomb. Up to now I've been like "Honeycomb... meh."
15 screen shots of the Honeycomb Flyer from thisismynext & Paul:
http://thisismynext.com/2011/09/05/h...e-screenshots/
Waiting for reviews on the pen performance.
Video of HC rom from Neaw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxFQ3HWGfRc&feature=youtu.be
This is what we can expect from the official Honeycomb Flyer - HTC Jetstream review (pen from 27'): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEsAjyYDTbU
E.J.Su said:
How about a port of Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet's pen integration? Lenovo uses the same N-trig technology just like HTC Flyer. I really like how it works with Sketchbook Pro pressure sensitive option, and allows the pen to navigate around like using your finger.
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Sketchbook works on the Jetstream (see the video) so it should work with the Flyer too. I hope that pressure sensitivity will work. since the sketchbook can recognize pressure sensitivity of the Thinkpad pen, very probable that it should behave the same with the Flyer pen.
I'm really interested into the flyer, what features do you miss on this tablet? I would use it for the university and I'm doubting between the trio flyer-jetstream-thinkpad
Hi to all Flyer users,
I am writing this message because despite the fact that I love my Flyer and use it 24/7, I am still not using it for the very first reason that I bought it, to replace my big old tablet PC, for sketches.
When HTC announced the HTC Dev with the Scribe API not so long ago, I was very excited and I thought that we Flyer users would at last have a chance to use it for the main purpose we bought it. But no...
I just wanted to reach out to any coder who is capable of writing an app for the flyer, who understands a word of the coding for the Scribe technology out there. We as artistic Flyer users request an app to let us do sketches and drawings. I don't care at the end how expensive the app will be, because I am pretty sure that the first sketching app made for the Flyer will be bought by many people regardless the price.
If you are a developer who can write such an app, do it soon, because you are going to make lots of money, I'm sure.
I hope nobody finds this message in anyway rude or offensive, it is just that I really want to get full use of my Flyer and since HTC is doing nothing about it so far, XDA community is the only place I know that I can request such a thing.
Thanks to everyone in advance and thanks for understanding.
// I don't if this is even relevant but HTC has uploaded some codes in the HTC Dev website with screenshots of a drawing app, maybe if only those codes are used to make an app //
I feel your pain. I picked up the Flyer for the same reason, unfortunately, it fell short on that one area. The guy that wrote Fresco tried to integrate the pen function, but it hasn't worked.
The good news is, the Honeycomb update supposedly works the same way the finger touch does. Sketchbook Pro supports pressure sensitive pen, I am hoping HTC's pen works in Sketchbook Pro.
I know Fresco and I even tried to help Sean during this process. I respect him for being the only one out there, and doing what HTC is yet to do.
Are you sure that sketchbook has stylus compatibility, pressure sensitivity?
I have just read that the stylus works as a finger does on honeycomb but that does not mean that we will be able to use the pen options (width, pen type, color) still.
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No, I wasn't sure. I was hoping.
I just flashed Honeycomb myself and tried it for myself. I was not able to find Sketchbook Pro in the market so I tried the Express instead, you may or may not know, it doesn't have that pressure sensitive like the Pro version. Express won't even recognize the strokes. I then tried the Mobile version, this version works fine, but no pressure sensitive option.
So the result is still inconclusive until I actually try the pro version. At least right now I've got a precise pen with better color choices.
I'll still try to figure out how to put SB pro in my new Honeycomb Flyer.
In case you didn't know, Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet pen does have pressure sensitive in SB Pro, and it also use N-Trig pen like the Flyer.
[UPDATE] I had to side load Sketchbook Pro. It doesn't work.
-E.J.Su
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Hi everyone. I thought I'd add my agreement to this thread. I sent a message/request to HTC the other day asking for them to seriously consider doing some collaborative work with a leading company such as Autodesk so the Flyer can be what all of us who bought it for; that we should have access to a drawing/sketching /design app that does the Flyer justice, not just scribbling with 5 colours etc, that the pen api should at least have a colour wheel! I went on to say that the Flyer's market would improve greatly if they allowed the pen to be used to it's full potential...
I really don't get why they would make such a lovely thing but then not bother to finish it off properly... It's like making a really beautiful car and not supplying the wheels or something silly...
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The sad fact is that there is just not enough paying demand out there for high end sketch applications. HTC was targeting business users with the pen. Users such as doctors that would prefer a high accuracy interface like a pen vs. the finger for entering larger amounts of data quickly. Of course those markets are demanding and complex and won't tolerate a half finished product like HTC's. Professional users want a turnkey system, not something they have to fiddle with to get to kind-of-work. S0 the Pen on HTC has turned out to be more of a novelty than a useful tool, which is sad because it has great potential and I love it for taking notes.
HTC published the Pen SDK and Android 4.0 has native stylus support primitives so someone could realistically write an application that has pro caliber sketch functions. Probably happen later under 4.0 ICS as a port of an existing app. I just don't see enough demand for someone to write a new app.
Okay. I feel you are being the realist here. I don't know zip about Android (the flyer is my first touchscreen gizmo) and have been a Windows sucker for ever so don't know about Linux either, but how much would you think a developer would want for creating a color wheel for the stock stylus app? At least then we could draw with a decent colour range with Scribbler or even just in notes. In my ignorance, please forgive me, but the pen api sdk released by HTC would allow someone to do that wouldn't it? If I knew how I'd be on it like I don't know what...
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You would think HTC would have done such a basic feature , but they didn't.
In order to add it, you would need the source code for the current apps. HTC is not sharing that. The SDK provides primitive functions for building new applications. it does not allow you to add features to existing applications.
Sketching...
I am using Autodesk Sketchbook mobile... the sketchbook pro for android doesent work properly. I also have a Cintiq 21 to which the pressure tip is pretty nice.
as for the Flyer I have found if you select the brush tool and play with the settings you can almost get the same feel...
So no apps other then the notes app take advantage of the Pen in GB?
I'v heard that the pen is laggy in HC...
AS far as I know, only the notes app, PDF reader and browser in GB interact in some way with the pen.
Remember that the HC rom is a early beta, I have seen people have different results with the pen on HC, probably depends on what apps you have loaded. IF!!! HTC ever has a final release, I'm sure it will be much more reliable.
So there's no way really of even replacing the stock pen app - the one that pops up bottom-right, with summat better... Unless they were to release the source code for it?...
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Correct, that is part of the HTC Sense UI , its not just an app, it's tied into the Android framework.
That... sucks bum. Have HTC ever spoke of releasing the Sense UI?
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With the second HC leak, I can use Sketchbook Mobile with no issues. What I noticed that pressure sensitivity is related to the pen you choose and the images appear to be in line with how you draw. Also the repsonse is quite good, I didn't see any issues.
I'm not sure if you're a professional sketcher but I am not and the result is impressive to me.
One important note: When you use a quality protection film (preferably mat ones) the result is better. With natural screen, the fricton is too less to write accurately but with a good film, you cannot believe how the writing/drawing experience will improve.
Edit: Skitch app becomes very handy in HC too. Actually let me repeat once more: This device is much better with HC (or ICS) due to better pen support.
+1 for Sketch Book Mobile.
The it would be nice if the erase function would work, but otherwise it works great.
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With the second HC leak, I can use Sketchbook Mobile with no issues. What I noticed that pressure sensitivity is related to the pen you choose and the images appear to be in line with how you draw. Also the repsonse is quite good, I didn't see any issues.
I'm not sure if you're a professional sketcher but I am not and the result is impressive to me.
One important note: When you use a quality protection film (preferably mat ones) the result is better. With natural screen, the fricton is too less to write accurately but with a good film, you cannot believe how the writing/drawing experience will improve.
Edit: Skitch app becomes very handy in HC too. Actually let me repeat once more: This device is much better with HC (or ICS) due to better pen support.
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Let me clarify. You are saying that the pressure sensitive pen for the flyer works with sketchbook mobile on the newest HC leak, no extra development needed for the app to add the pressure sensitivity? So this means it doesn't have to use the stock colors and brushes for the native pen?
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Let me clarify. You are saying that the pressure sensitive pen for the flyer works with sketchbook mobile on the newest HC leak, no extra development needed for the app to add the pressure sensitivity? So this means it doesn't have to use the stock colors and brushes for the native pen?
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That's my observation (leak #2). When you choose broader brush, you can differantiate the pressure sensitivity better. It's also valid for the native notes where you choose the big brush.
I'm liking this... I'm no developer and therefore I really appreciate xda developers chat about this... I would like to use sketchbook mobile more with the pen and it's good that skitch works better too. Will be good to see if Fresco works too!
So then, following on... the stock pen part of the Android Sense UI becomes less used because the app itself is supported through support from HC (or ICS?), what can be done for/what good is the stock pen part of Sense UI? Is it potentially more powerful because it's native, in any way (ignorance possibly showing)? In terms of developing, what COULD the pen part of Sense UI do or be used for if it's superceded by the app's integral features? How could the pressure sensitivity of it be improved more.
Or...
Is it too late in on a Friday night for me to talk anything that's not utter trash?
Will have to get a matt screen protector by the way... Thanks for the suggestion.
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I'm liking this... I'm no developer and therefore I really appreciate xda developers chat about this... I would like to use sketchbook mobile more with the pen and it's good that skitch works better too. Will be good to see if Fresco works too!
So then, following on... the stock pen part of the Android Sense UI becomes less used because the app itself is supported through support from HC (or ICS?), what can be done for/what good is the stock pen part of Sense UI? Is it potentially more powerful because it's native, in any way (ignorance possibly showing)? In terms of developing, what COULD the pen part of Sense UI do or be used for if it's superceded by the app's integral features? How could the pressure sensitivity of it be improved more.
Or...
Is it too late in on a Friday night for me to talk anything that's not utter trash?
Will have to get a matt screen protector by the way... Thanks for the suggestion.
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This depends upon HTC. If they develop any better applications for the Flyer, we'll be able to use stock part and full pen function (like erase button).
If HTC would publish (or support a 3rd party whichsoever) a better and more professional notes (something like Quill), and a good paint/sketch app I will definitely buy them. But the question is if HTC will do that.
Hi, the main reason I bought Flyer is the stylus (Magic Pen). But I am very disappointed with the performance.
As you know that Galaxy Note is on the market. I see that the stylus (S Pen) works very smooth.
I am thinking about selling Flyer and buy Galaxy Note as a replacement.
I need your opinions
Thanks and cheers
silverwind said:
Hi, the main reason I bought Flyer is the stylus (Magic Pen). But I am very disappointed with the performance.
As you know that Galaxy Note is on the market. I see that the stylus (S Pen) works very smooth.
I am thinking about selling Flyer and buy Galaxy Note as a replacement.
I need your opinions
Thanks and cheers
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FWIW...I believe the Note employs Wacom instead on N-Trig digitization.
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FWIW...I believe the Note employs Wacom instead on N-Trig digitization.
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I know, but it is not what I ask, actually
I personally wouldn't want to go below 7" for working with a pen effectively and I also have my doubts about the palm rejection technology on the Note. The HC upgrade which should eventually make it to the Flyer might address a lot of issues people have with pen use.
If you're looking for a tablet that can sustain extensive writing sessions, I'm going to say that the Flyer is probably the better option. If you need a phone, you'll obviously need to go with the Note, unless you're in a non-US market that carries the EVO View variant.
I agree with veethree that going below 7" is questionable as the Flyer is already borderline wonky to write on. However, I don't think palm rejection will be an issue. Both N-trig and Wacom sidestep the need for palm rejection by simply turning off the touch function of the screen when using the pen. There's a lot of confusion about this amongst the user community and techblogs. It's probably just poor communication from OEM's, but this is how it's always been. You have to bring the pen close to the screen first, BEFORE you put your palm down; move the pen away to reactivate the touch screen It's unnatural as most people put their palms down first, but that's how it works. In the absence of active/passive digitizers, software palm-rejection becomes the name of the game.
As far as smoothness of the writing, I think that really comes down to drivers/software from the OEM's. I've used N-trig and Wacom on Windows tablets, and I didn't notice any differences, suggesting the hardware is quite similar.
The Flyer's pen does seem to write smoother in the Notes Mobile app (pulled from Lenovo's Thinkpad Tablet and running on the Flyer), presumably because Notes Mobile uses a different shared library supplied by Lenovo. Again, suggesting smoothness is a software issue.
Finally, in my opinion, the experience is a lot better with the Honeycomb leak installed. Have you tried this?
I don't believe galaxy note using wacom technology. There is no single statement from Samsung that declared they are using wacom. They just saying that they are using their own S-pen technology.
Until now, wacom has never announced it has implemented its technology on android, because their digitizer based on resistive screen.
I suspect that galaxy note still using enhanced capacitive pen based on the software specifically designed for the small screen so it does not need a palm rejection technology. But can you imagine how uncomfortable it is to write to the screen size for daily use?
If you feel laggy using notes on gingerbread flyer, please try to deactivate the keyboard while scribbling with null keyboard. You will feel the smoothness although writing rapidly. So, this is just software problems and not because of the hardware!
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...Until now, wacom has never announced it has implemented its technology on android, because their digitizer based on resistive screen...
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I don't think Wacom uses resistive screens - the ones I have used (tablet PC world) are all active digitizers on non-resistive screens.
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I don't believe galaxy note using wacom technology. There is no single statement from Samsung that declared they are using wacom. They just saying that they are using their own S-pen technology.
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I suppose that's true; I've only read things at Android Community and CNET that suggest it's Wacom tech.
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Until now, wacom has never announced it has implemented its technology on android, because their digitizer based on resistive screen.
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Again, I think this is more misinformation likely due to OEM communication, or lack thereof. Wacom makes digitizers using either either resistive or capacitive touch-screen layers (my HP tm2t is a capactive touchscreen w/ Wacom digitizer). The touchscreen and digitizer are usually two separate layers, and I suspect the Galaxy Note will use a similar setup. Wacom and N-trig are proven tech on Windows Tablet PC's, so it would be interesting and surprising to see anything else.
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If you feel laggy using notes on gingerbread flyer, please try to deactivate the keyboard while scribbling with null keyboard. You will feel the smoothness although writing rapidly. So, this is just software problems and not because of the hardware!
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I use a null keyboard too that someone put up on the Market, but I find it only addresses usability and not smoothness of the actual writing. I think HTC just needs to polish their drivers and/or shared libraries to get a smoother experience if the Lenovo implementation can be used as some kind of reference.
Android community has stated that the Galaxy note has wacom technology. Engadget said it has capacitive super Amoled display. On top of that Samsung is going to public the pen SDK in this coming December to encourage developer to create more app for the note. For me, I agree that a 7 inch display is a lot better than a 5 inch display in term of writing experience. But I believe galaxy note will have a lot more support and more great apps. If they had a 7 inch galaxy note right now , I would jump to it right away.
I hope that HTC will learn from Samsung to attract developer and media for the flyer.
I've watched a couple fo those demo videos of the Galaxy Note, and the Wacom inking support looks a lot like Tablet PC quality (smoothing, pressure, etc). I'm like most here though - 7" is about the bare minimum I would want to write on - but that Super Amoled screen is to die for...
Stylus
Stylus: Wacom E-Pen G5SP sensor
Source: http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/28/behind-the-glass-a-detailed-tour-inside-the-samsung-galaxy-note/
iwansuryo said:
I don't believe galaxy note using wacom technology. There is no single statement from Samsung that declared they are using wacom. They just saying that they are using their own S-pen technology.
Until now, wacom has never announced it has implemented its technology on android, because their digitizer based on resistive screen.
I suspect that galaxy note still using enhanced capacitive pen based on the software specifically designed for the small screen so it does not need a palm rejection technology. But can you imagine how uncomfortable it is to write to the screen size for daily use?
If you feel laggy using notes on gingerbread flyer, please try to deactivate the keyboard while scribbling with null keyboard. You will feel the smoothness although writing rapidly. So, this is just software problems and not because of the hardware!
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I read that S Note using Wacom
I would skip HC in favor of ICS
dstrauss said:
I've watched a couple fo those demo videos of the Galaxy Note, and the Wacom inking support looks a lot like Tablet PC quality (smoothing, pressure, etc). I'm like most here though - 7" is about the bare minimum I would want to write on - but that Super Amoled screen is to die for...
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Actually, that is why I m becoming interested in GS Note..
But, it's just a video. Need to be tested by ourselves
I thank you all for your opinions... I think I will wait GS Note land in my country (it will be in November) and see it whether it is as good as advertized and in the meantime I will stick to my Flyer
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This may help. There is an hardware dissection on engadget of the Galaxy Note, "Behind the Glass"
Sorry to bring this back from the dead, but after much looking around on here the web, I haven't found anything that really answers this very question.
I was looking at the HTC Flyer to replace my rough sketchbook (nothing will really replace my pencil and paper for drawing stuff out, nor am I looking to replace my graphic tablet on my desktop, I'm just looking for something that I can hammer ideas out, thoughts on colour, etc) but after reading the various threads I'm now not so sure if that is a good choice.
There's been a fair bit of plugging for the Galaxy Note and it's S-Pen and wondering if anyone has any experience with both? Did the author for this every settle on a device?
I'm not too concerned about the lack of ICS support for the Flyer (although to be truthful I haven't had much Android experience so I don't really see how much lack of support will effect the device....although being a Windows Phone user from the get go has given me more than enough 'support issues'), nor am I looking to replace my phone.
The size for me would be an issue, but it's not as important as performance of the pen.
Pretty much everything I've read that actually talks about the pens (as opposed to other functions which hold no interest) mainly discuss writing, but I'm looking at this a purely drawing point of view. I've seen some examples of the sketches on the Flyer on a different thread and they looked pretty good, but if anyone could offer an informed opinion I'd really appreciate it, don't want to get lumbered with some half arsed device.
Hi
When I last looked at HTC Flyer some months back, the pen was only working in dedicated applications. Does anybody know whether this has improved? Has anybody installed the inofficial Honeycomb and can report whether the pen now works in all applications?
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It works on hc in the sense that you can scroll, select buttons, move through home screens etc
When we get Android 4, it will be supported in all applications
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Thanks to both. I look for a device to take notes in meetings and the like. My preferred application is "FreeNote, note everything" from flyable, available in Android Market. Do you anticipate that the pen is recognized by FreeNote, prior to Android 4?
default5 said:
Thanks to both. I look for a device to take notes in meetings and the like. My preferred application is "FreeNote, note everything" from flyable, available in Android Market. Do you anticipate that the pen is recognized by FreeNote, prior to Android 4?
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The pen does not work in those apps as now we are on Gingerbread. But it is supposed to work on the next Honeycomb update.
The pen works in all app if you update to HC
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The pen works in all app if you update to HC
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Well , kind of...
not because HC thinks its a pen, but because in the HTC HC ROM , the pen mimics your finger in apps that are not specifically HTC Pen enabled. For example in Freenote, the app thinks the pen is your finger and the pen has no more functions than if you use your finger or a capacitive stylus.
Also, ICS won't do anything magical with the pen unless the app is written to use it. ICS has some built-in pen (digital stylus) primitives, but they are not the same as HTCs SDK and don't just magically work. They will recognize the HTC stylus if a application is written to use them.
DigitalMD said:
Well , kind of...
not because HC thinks its a pen, but because in the HTC HC ROM , the pen mimics your finger in apps that are not specifically HTC Pen enabled. For example in Freenote, the app thinks the pen is your finger and the pen has no more functions than if you use your finger or a capacitive stylus.
Also, ICS won't do anything magical with the pen unless the app is written to use it. ICS has some built-in pen (digital stylus) primitives, but they are not the same as HTCs SDK and don't just magically work. They will recognize the HTC stylus if a application is written to use them.
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This is very helpful information, thanks. It seems you have first-hand experience with Freenote and Honeycomb. Could you share your experience in more detail?
* Is it possible to write in normal size (in Paint mode) at normal writing speed?
* Is it possible to rest the wrist on the tablet while writing with the stylus (i.e., the touch screen gets inactivated when the stylus is in use)?
I played with Freenote a bit on the Flyer Honeycomb, but I don't use it as my primary note taker. I use the HTC notes app which is a custom version of Evernote. It works well and syncs with Evernote in the cloud and on PC. and is specially modified to take advantage of the HTC stylus.
Freenote with the pen works just like it works using your finger to write draw etc. The pen is more accurate, but that's the only difference.
So do those of you that have the pen feel it is worth it?
And I would also like to know if this would be a viable note taking option although I doubt it would be
fiveoneooo said:
So do those of you that have the pen feel it is worth it?
And I would also like to know if this would be a viable note taking option although I doubt it would be
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With the HC update its very beneficial using the scribe pen almost on every app and I only use the notes app which it helps me draw charts, ideas, and record meetings instantly
fiveoneooo said:
So do those of you that have the pen feel it is worth it?
And I would also like to know if this would be a viable note taking option although I doubt it would be
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Yes.
Yes.
Now for the long answers. I have been a user of Windows tablet PC's for years, all but one with Wacom digitizers (N-Trig on the HP Slate 500). With the addition of Honeycomb and Quill, I now have a note taking machine every bit as good and readable as my high end HP 2740p (with the exceptions of no Onenote - not available for Android, and no direct handwriting recognition). AND it is smaller and almost as thin as the SCREEN on the hP 2740p. I'm not sure what process Quill is using for rendering the ink, but it is a smooth and legible as pen on paper. One caveat, I have the Wrapsol screen saver on my HTC Flyer - one, to protect the screen, but equally important to give an even better writing surface than bare glass.
I haven't battle tested it yet (long meeting, lots of notes) but so far it is better than any solution I've tried (heaven help you if you want to take notes on an iPad with a capacitive stylus). The screen, at 7" is a little cramped, but it is so small and light to carry it is a no brainer to take to meetings or taking notes at your desk. On the issue of handwriting recognition, I feel that is an over-sold concept even on the Windows platform where recognition is excellent - if you have that much to write - you should type. I prefer to save my notes as PDF and store in the files on the server for reference, just like a paper notebook. The incredible advantage of Onenote (please bring it to Android Mr. Ballmer) is that it indexes your notes without conversion, so you can search for any word in a handwritten note. I believe Evernote can do something similar, but have not yet tried it.
Anyway, this is the best $299 (now you can get them at times for $239) I've spent in a LONG TIME on computer gear.
Dstraus--I recognize you name from the old tablet pc days. I have used those and still do since the beginning. I have just got the stock ota update to honeycomb and am excited to try out quill. Also it seems pdf viewer from a quick look will be a pdf annotator type experience on androod---hope so at least
Hi all
I am the OP of this thread. Thanks for your advice. I have just bought a HTC Flyer and installed Freenote. Works great! Taking notes electronically is now truly feasible. I can only support the notion that a capacitative stylus is a no go for serious handwriting. I now also register this second copy of Freenote (the first stays on my larger 10" pad, no pen :-( on that).
One thing that I did not get to work: Editor | Stylus | "Electromagnetic pen only". I thought that the magic pen of the HTC Flyer is electromagnetic, but when switching this option on, neither finger touch nor pen is recognized.
PS to dstrauss: the device is in Switzerland clearly more expensive than $239; but a good investment nevertheless
Is there anything I can do to use HTC stylus pen on my HTC on m8 max. I mean anything, installing any app, hacking anything anything. you can reach me on [email protected]
I have been looking for a tablet for myself. Mostly, for note/lectures taking and reading. And also for remote connections to Linux machines, when I'm at the beach for example.
When I first saw it, I immediately understood that I had to have it. I bought Android version through Lenovo website. Windows just doesn't make sense to me on this device, it is not powerful enough, and it is a tablet! It is not supposed to replace a laptop. I don't find Windows apps ecosystem as good for mobile devices, as Android.
Waited about a week. Was very excited, when I finally got a package (yeah, I know, I'm a grown-up baby ). And, unfortunately, was disappointed right out of the box. The screen was defective (I even posted it here, lol): uneven color temperature to such level, that I cannot stand. But, I decided to give it a try anyways.
1. Hardware is impressive. Tablet looks fantastic. Sound is very good for the device of this size. I'm still blown away by a case itself. I liked the hinge, and how you can easily transform the tablet.
2. Halo keyboard looks futuristic. And it is OK for typing. I saw many reviews heavily criticizing it, but it is fine. Yes, you cannot type as fast, as on the mechanical keyboard, but it is still much faster than on the on-screen keyboard. Well, touchpad is bad and doesn't support multi-touch (though manual suggests it does), but I actually don't think one needs a touchpad on Android, so I don't complain here.
3. Drawing and note-taking on the Wacom surface is reliable and was a good experience for me. It is a little bit awkward in the beginning to physically write not directly on top of the area where image appears, but it is very easy to get used to. No buttons on the pen though.
4. Atom CPU is more than enough, device felt very responsive overall. However, I did notice it stuttered while charging, probably due to thermal throttling. But on battery I didn't notice any performance issues with the apps I used.
5. Now comes a weak part. Software.
I liked the taskbar, it is nice and useful, but overall, stock software feels like it is a beta version, and it is very basic (to say the least). Especially Lenovo apps (including note-taking). Well, not a real minus, since there are good apps in Google Store. But Lenovo Android customizations definitely need polishing.
Multi-window is almost useless, you cannot resize apps, but only have a smartphone-like size. And in windowed mode apps very often crash (I actually don't remember, when was the last time anything crashed on my Nexus 5, but I root-customized it...).
Some settings simply don't work: no matter what you do, it resets itself back to the default value. For some reason, I couldn't select my Google account as a backup account... Encryption is enabled by default, and you cannot disable it (it actually resulted in a factory reset, see below). Transition animations constantly turned on/off by themselves. And manual is simply inconsistent with the actual software.
I didn't find an easy way to switch Halo keyboard languages.
No customization for note-taking app: every time you switch to Wacom input mode, annoying Lenovo note-taking small window appears, and you have to close it in order to continue drawing in your app.
I had a nasty experience with an update. While updating everything seemed normal, but on the final boot I got a message "Encryption failed. Your tablet will be factory reset". And, yep, I got a completely fresh system, but it was updated. :good: And since there was no option to use my Google account for backup, I had to reinstall and reconfigure everything again. :silly:
Taking all that into account with my initial hardware problem, I just decided to return my YogaBook. I should say, it does feel sad a little bit as it is a very unique device. Honestly, I really wanted to love this device. But it definitely needs polishing, and if you're not a gadget enthusiast, you probably should wait for the next version.
disagree in all points
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Hanfried said:
disagree in all points
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Sure. Do you disagree on all points or only on negative ones?
I really wanted to love this device. Well, I'm returning mine anyways because of the screen issue. I went with my YogaBook to BestBuy and compared it to other tablets, and yep, even Samsung Tab A 10.1'' has a better screen than my tablet. This is definitely unacceptable.
I'm not 100% sure though, if I should just return it or actually do an exchange. But I'm returning, because in this case, if I change my mind, I can purchase a new one (hopefully, without screen defects) (effectively do an "exchange").
If you could be so kind, and point out to me how to fix these software glitches, I would really appreciate it.
couldnt agree more. I personally contacted lenovo in order to return the yoga book too. so disappointed. I think they should have installed Chromebook OS
BTW, I also had the problem with the upgrade and I had to reset everything...
Just curious . . . .
Don't you think the problems will be solved with updates? It is a new product after all. :silly:
spmcd said:
Don't you think the problems will be solved with updates? It is a new product after all. :silly:
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Maybe. That's why I say one should wait for another version.
I have bought Samsung Galaxy Tab A 10.1 with S Pen, and this tablet actually performs much better than YogaBook, despite lower specs. Moreover, it actually feels much more comfortable to write directly on the screen.
I just got mine in uae and despite its flaws i really love this device because of the battery life, sound, display and the wacom stylus. Sure the halo keyboard needs some more work but otherwise it works as intended. Just waiting for someone to make a remix os for this.
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Maybe. That's why I say one should wait for another version.
I have bought Samsung Galaxy Tab A 10.1 with S Pen, and this tablet actually performs much better than YogaBook, despite lower specs. Moreover, it actually feels much more comfortable to write directly on the screen.
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I pulled the trigger and am going to give it a try. The biggest selling point for me is being able to take notes on paper and pen and then have handwriting recognition do its magic.
Also, there is "Any Pen" support for writing directly on the screen. Though it is not perfect, it should be enough for me.
Admittedly, I am still not 100% convinced and I will let you know how it goes when I get my hands on it.
i picked one up at last friday, i wanted a light decent 10 inch android tablet for mostly browsing, evernote and messing on, the keyboard is a compromise but suits my needs, if im going to do a large amount of typing ill do it on my desktop pc, I personally really like it overall but I just hope they bring Nougat to it so we can atleast have the 2 window option, other than that i lowered the dpi because it was far too high for me, and hopefully we get root soon so i can force chrome to always display desktop sites, as mobile sites on a 10 inch tablet is stupid.
oh i also wish you could scroll easily with the trackpad but i guess thats an Android limitation.
Yeah true that really need that nougat. Has anyone tried installing remix os on their yoga book?
bisharat said:
Yeah true that really need that nougat. Has anyone tried installing remix os on their yoga book?
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I ůove this device so much but i must totaly agree that Lenovo should agree with jide and Remix OS should be preinstalled as the lenovo modified android realy sucks and is inmature... BTW i am intersted in same Did anyone?
I love it, you have to get used to it
Got mine few days ago.
I love it.
It takes some adjusting of workflows, but it is new, it is different, it is astonishing! Those are the reasons I bought it!.
HINGE IS MIND BLOWING!!!
Coming from range of tablets (Samsung 7" once upon a time, 10.1 Samsung, Xperia tablet z...) and many phones from different manufacturers, keeping just glass/glass as lite motiv (iPhone 4,xperia z1, S6 edge, S7 edge) I confirm it is different!
Missing lot of Samsung staf, missing lot of IOS stuff, but who cares. Playstore can provide all needed apps for my life/work stile.
It is little bit havy, looking at you keybd, but it has a keybd. For others I had to buy separate one. Halo is not a PC (Mak) keybd, but tablet is not a PC nor Mak. This just works It would be nice to change halo keybd (what you can see) but I can live with German layout I've got, just installed swift and off we go!
The only thing that is a real problem is waterproofing! I was so happy reading in a hot bath! When Experia started leaking it really hurts!
If someone knows about waterproof light case for yoga, please, pretty please let me know!
Everything else will solve it self out, root, android 7.... Just have some patience. XDA always brought a solution. For doubtful - check HTC HD forums...I forgot about my 2 phones, but development is still kicking!
Just that waterproofing IP 68 anybody?
P.S. You can swipe with mousepad, in android, just not 2 finger like manual is promissing.
I got mine today and I love it, but there are things (mostly software) that are bafflingly annoying... I got this device with the idea I could utilize Netflix's offline downloading feature only to find out it's not compatible... wtf... fail...
I got mine about three weeks ago and I'm quite happy with it. I "forgot" my work laptop in my office before Xmas and I was able to survive with my Yogabook (LTE version) so far. Android MS Office apps work sufficiently well for me. VPN and Citrix Terminal Client do their job. I only use my apps in full window mode because the task bar does the job for me. Yes, it's very basic but ok for me.
I had a lot of stability issues in the beginning. I figured out that most of the apps were installed on the 128 GB sd card by default. After moving all (no exceptions) apps to internal storage, there were no crashes anymore. I already used this solution for another Android device with lots of crashes.
It took a while to get used to the keyboard but it is possible to do 10 finger typing at medium speed after some training. I just had to switch off the word completion feature because it began to drive me crazy.
After watching some Youtube videos from an artist who uses his Yogabook as a professional drawing device, I even became motivated to try it out myself. Before I just used the pen to take some notes in Evernote. It's actually quite some fun to use it for drawing and I had to buy the add-on stuff of the ArtFlow app.
Yes, it's annoying that it is not possible to download stuff to the tablet via the Netflix app. Amazon, Spotify, and Maxdome download content works well, however, in offline mode. The HDMI output to an HD TV or a projector looks good, too. Both for video streaming and Powerpoint presentations.
In summary, I'm quite happy with it ... even as an unplanned replacement for my work laptop ...
the drawing surface work with other apps or just the lenovo drawing app? for example Adobe sketch
dshadow21 said:
the drawing surface work with other apps or just the lenovo drawing app? for example Adobe sketch
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It works great with Sketchbook, Infinite Painter, Layer Paint. However somehow most brushes do not work with Corel painter.
I personally find drawing on Yogabook to be more responsive and less alggy than compared to my Samsung 10.1 2014.
hajkan said:
It works great with Sketchbook, Infinite Painter, Layer Paint. However somehow most brushes do not work with Corel painter.
I personally find drawing on Yogabook to be more responsive and less alggy than compared to my Samsung 10.1 2014.
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I used so far without issues: ArtFlow and ArtRage for Drawing, Evernote and Lenovo Note Taker for handwritten notes, Ez PDF for annotating pdf documents.
For my purposes, the pen is very accurate and responsive. In ArtFlow the pen pressure dependent line thickness and color intensity work very well.
Small addition. It survived nasti drop from table height in the office, rough terrain (PC, table legs, chair legs).
Ugly dent in metal and some scratches. That is a drawback of metal build! Glass glass will shater or survive without evidence.
BUT IT WORKS no problem at all!
Stupid question
How to @ on the Halo keyboard?
Shift + @