Flyer Magic Pen vs Galaxy Note S Pen - HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G

Hi, the main reason I bought Flyer is the stylus (Magic Pen). But I am very disappointed with the performance.
As you know that Galaxy Note is on the market. I see that the stylus (S Pen) works very smooth.
I am thinking about selling Flyer and buy Galaxy Note as a replacement.
I need your opinions
Thanks and cheers

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silverwind said:
Hi, the main reason I bought Flyer is the stylus (Magic Pen). But I am very disappointed with the performance.
As you know that Galaxy Note is on the market. I see that the stylus (S Pen) works very smooth.
I am thinking about selling Flyer and buy Galaxy Note as a replacement.
I need your opinions
Thanks and cheers
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FWIW...I believe the Note employs Wacom instead on N-Trig digitization.

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lpasq said:
FWIW...I believe the Note employs Wacom instead on N-Trig digitization.
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I know, but it is not what I ask, actually

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I personally wouldn't want to go below 7" for working with a pen effectively and I also have my doubts about the palm rejection technology on the Note. The HC upgrade which should eventually make it to the Flyer might address a lot of issues people have with pen use.

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If you're looking for a tablet that can sustain extensive writing sessions, I'm going to say that the Flyer is probably the better option. If you need a phone, you'll obviously need to go with the Note, unless you're in a non-US market that carries the EVO View variant.
I agree with veethree that going below 7" is questionable as the Flyer is already borderline wonky to write on. However, I don't think palm rejection will be an issue. Both N-trig and Wacom sidestep the need for palm rejection by simply turning off the touch function of the screen when using the pen. There's a lot of confusion about this amongst the user community and techblogs. It's probably just poor communication from OEM's, but this is how it's always been. You have to bring the pen close to the screen first, BEFORE you put your palm down; move the pen away to reactivate the touch screen It's unnatural as most people put their palms down first, but that's how it works. In the absence of active/passive digitizers, software palm-rejection becomes the name of the game.
As far as smoothness of the writing, I think that really comes down to drivers/software from the OEM's. I've used N-trig and Wacom on Windows tablets, and I didn't notice any differences, suggesting the hardware is quite similar.
The Flyer's pen does seem to write smoother in the Notes Mobile app (pulled from Lenovo's Thinkpad Tablet and running on the Flyer), presumably because Notes Mobile uses a different shared library supplied by Lenovo. Again, suggesting smoothness is a software issue.
Finally, in my opinion, the experience is a lot better with the Honeycomb leak installed. Have you tried this?

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I don't believe galaxy note using wacom technology. There is no single statement from Samsung that declared they are using wacom. They just saying that they are using their own S-pen technology.
Until now, wacom has never announced it has implemented its technology on android, because their digitizer based on resistive screen.
I suspect that galaxy note still using enhanced capacitive pen based on the software specifically designed for the small screen so it does not need a palm rejection technology. But can you imagine how uncomfortable it is to write to the screen size for daily use?
If you feel laggy using notes on gingerbread flyer, please try to deactivate the keyboard while scribbling with null keyboard. You will feel the smoothness although writing rapidly. So, this is just software problems and not because of the hardware!
Sent from my HTC Flyer P510e using Tapatalk

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iwansuryo said:
...Until now, wacom has never announced it has implemented its technology on android, because their digitizer based on resistive screen...
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I don't think Wacom uses resistive screens - the ones I have used (tablet PC world) are all active digitizers on non-resistive screens.

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iwansuryo said:
I don't believe galaxy note using wacom technology. There is no single statement from Samsung that declared they are using wacom. They just saying that they are using their own S-pen technology.
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I suppose that's true; I've only read things at Android Community and CNET that suggest it's Wacom tech.
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Until now, wacom has never announced it has implemented its technology on android, because their digitizer based on resistive screen.
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Again, I think this is more misinformation likely due to OEM communication, or lack thereof. Wacom makes digitizers using either either resistive or capacitive touch-screen layers (my HP tm2t is a capactive touchscreen w/ Wacom digitizer). The touchscreen and digitizer are usually two separate layers, and I suspect the Galaxy Note will use a similar setup. Wacom and N-trig are proven tech on Windows Tablet PC's, so it would be interesting and surprising to see anything else.
iwansuryo said:
If you feel laggy using notes on gingerbread flyer, please try to deactivate the keyboard while scribbling with null keyboard. You will feel the smoothness although writing rapidly. So, this is just software problems and not because of the hardware!
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I use a null keyboard too that someone put up on the Market, but I find it only addresses usability and not smoothness of the actual writing. I think HTC just needs to polish their drivers and/or shared libraries to get a smoother experience if the Lenovo implementation can be used as some kind of reference.

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Android community has stated that the Galaxy note has wacom technology. Engadget said it has capacitive super Amoled display. On top of that Samsung is going to public the pen SDK in this coming December to encourage developer to create more app for the note. For me, I agree that a 7 inch display is a lot better than a 5 inch display in term of writing experience. But I believe galaxy note will have a lot more support and more great apps. If they had a 7 inch galaxy note right now , I would jump to it right away.
I hope that HTC will learn from Samsung to attract developer and media for the flyer.

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I've watched a couple fo those demo videos of the Galaxy Note, and the Wacom inking support looks a lot like Tablet PC quality (smoothing, pressure, etc). I'm like most here though - 7" is about the bare minimum I would want to write on - but that Super Amoled screen is to die for...

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Stylus
Stylus: Wacom E-Pen G5SP sensor
Source: http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/28/behind-the-glass-a-detailed-tour-inside-the-samsung-galaxy-note/

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iwansuryo said:
I don't believe galaxy note using wacom technology. There is no single statement from Samsung that declared they are using wacom. They just saying that they are using their own S-pen technology.
Until now, wacom has never announced it has implemented its technology on android, because their digitizer based on resistive screen.
I suspect that galaxy note still using enhanced capacitive pen based on the software specifically designed for the small screen so it does not need a palm rejection technology. But can you imagine how uncomfortable it is to write to the screen size for daily use?
If you feel laggy using notes on gingerbread flyer, please try to deactivate the keyboard while scribbling with null keyboard. You will feel the smoothness although writing rapidly. So, this is just software problems and not because of the hardware!
Sent from my HTC Flyer P510e using Tapatalk
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I read that S Note using Wacom
I would skip HC in favor of ICS

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dstrauss said:
I've watched a couple fo those demo videos of the Galaxy Note, and the Wacom inking support looks a lot like Tablet PC quality (smoothing, pressure, etc). I'm like most here though - 7" is about the bare minimum I would want to write on - but that Super Amoled screen is to die for...
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Actually, that is why I m becoming interested in GS Note..
But, it's just a video. Need to be tested by ourselves
I thank you all for your opinions... I think I will wait GS Note land in my country (it will be in November) and see it whether it is as good as advertized and in the meantime I will stick to my Flyer
Cheers

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Wacom E-Pen G5SP
This may help. There is an hardware dissection on engadget of the Galaxy Note, "Behind the Glass"

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Sorry to bring this back from the dead, but after much looking around on here the web, I haven't found anything that really answers this very question.
I was looking at the HTC Flyer to replace my rough sketchbook (nothing will really replace my pencil and paper for drawing stuff out, nor am I looking to replace my graphic tablet on my desktop, I'm just looking for something that I can hammer ideas out, thoughts on colour, etc) but after reading the various threads I'm now not so sure if that is a good choice.
There's been a fair bit of plugging for the Galaxy Note and it's S-Pen and wondering if anyone has any experience with both? Did the author for this every settle on a device?
I'm not too concerned about the lack of ICS support for the Flyer (although to be truthful I haven't had much Android experience so I don't really see how much lack of support will effect the device....although being a Windows Phone user from the get go has given me more than enough 'support issues'), nor am I looking to replace my phone.
The size for me would be an issue, but it's not as important as performance of the pen.
Pretty much everything I've read that actually talks about the pens (as opposed to other functions which hold no interest) mainly discuss writing, but I'm looking at this a purely drawing point of view. I've seen some examples of the sketches on the Flyer on a different thread and they looked pretty good, but if anyone could offer an informed opinion I'd really appreciate it, don't want to get lumbered with some half arsed device.