Hi Guys,
just got my Galaxy Tab 10.1 (PT7500 / 16GB / 3G) yesterday.
Great Tab so far!
But still i recognize one downturn:
When compared to an iPad2, the screen response in drawing/sketching apps is less then satisfactory. I'd even go so far to deem this unusuable - no matter whether is use a capacitive stylus or my finger.
The touchscreen simply lags about 5mm / 1 sec. in response time.
Anyone else experienced this?
Is this by design? HW fault? SW fault?
Basically, the 10.1 is by this nearly unusuable as sketchpad - which is one of my major use cases here.
Maybe someone has experienced something similar?
Thanks very much for any response on this!
Best regards,
Klaas.
Hi Guys,
just to add to this:
I have made some comparisons again on this issue and found that the Galaxy Tab Touchscreen is seriously "lagging behind" when drawing on it.
When using an iPad drawing App (Sketchpad), the response to the touch is instantenous, on the Galaxy Tab the lines drag behind the finger.
Please see attached two comparison drawings:
The Sketch Pad Document is from an iPad 2
The 1.jpg is done with Big Fat Canvas on the Galaxy Tab 10.1
Both are made with the same capacitive pencil and written in the same speed.
Interestingly enough: When i draw VERY slowly, the result on the Galaxy Tab is as good as on the iPad.
So it seems to be a software problem of the Samsung Touchscreen driver being not very well written. Anyone can confirm that?
Furthermore, i did some more quick comparisons of Android tablets in our local electronics store and found that they're all very different:
- ASUS Transformer comes most closely to iPad
- Motorola XOOM behind
- ACER Iconia very sluggish
The Samsung ties in somewhere in the middle.
Interestingly enough i haven't found any discussion in the web on this topic...
Looking forward to any feedback anyone might be able to give on that!
Best regards,
Klaas.
well, i can just say that dragging items on the home screen is ridiculously slow... This isnt a smooth operation at all!
I am absolutely with you!!! Maybe everyone can program a new driver, but i think it have to do with the energy settings:-(
BTW: I reported this to Samsung Support and their answer was (what else?)
"Factory Reset, if no use, please send in for repair"
Also, Adobe Sketchbook brought the same result.
It seems that the Android multitasking gets in the way of a decent polling interval of the touchscreen - or so it seems. When more apps are running in background, the touchscreen gets more laggy...
I'm interested to see whether this improves in newer Android versions - as it's currently an Android Tab is not really usefull as sketchpad...
Best regards,
Klaas.
Use sgs touchscreen booster! In will help a little bit
I also have the same issue. Using Sketchbook Pro, and even the included memo app, is completely unusable. Tried sga touchscreen booster as well and it made a little difference, but not enough to make me able to draw or write anything. The Asus Transformer is much better as a sketching thingy.
Has there been any development on this?
Is with stock Honeycomb 3.1 or Touchwiz? I noticed after "upgrading" to touchwiz that the touchscreen responsiveness got much worse. i ended up going back to regular Honeycomb 3.1.
Mine's with touchwiz out of the box (the 3g version). I figured that touchwiz might be the problem. What is the best rom out there?
Hi guys, I'm the developer of a stylus-writing app (https://market.android.com/details?id=com.writepad) and after getting a lot of complaints from Galaxy tab users, decided to buy one and test it against my Asus Transformer. Here are some results. My stylus is the AYL: http://www.amazon.com/Newest-Genera...rranty/dp/B004HO86P6/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
Side by side, with the Samsung on the left and Asus on the right. Using the free app Maple Paint.
You can see from the W's that there are way fewer touch events from the Samsung touch screen. THat's why the corners are rounded. I had to confirm, so I did a similar test on my own app. The Asus registered 1076 touch events, while the Samsung registered around 600.
When I look at the actual MotionEvents, some differences: Pressure from Asus is around 0.8, and 0.13 on the Samsung. "Size" and "tool" are 0 on the Asus, and non-zero on Samsung.
Also, when you rest your palm on the screen, Samsung's touchscreen becomes unresponsive (even more so). The Asus has no such problem.
Is this a hardware or firmware issue? Will 3.2 update help?
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Hi guys, I'm the developer of a stylus-writing app (https://market.android.com/details?id=com.writepad) and after getting a lot of complaints from Galaxy tab users, decided to buy one and test it against my Asus Transformer. Here are some results. My stylus is the AYL: http://www.amazon.com/Newest-Genera...rranty/dp/B004HO86P6/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
Is this a hardware or firmware issue? Will 3.2 update help?
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I will try different software/firmware versions "side-by-side" when I get home to see if there's any improvement with the newer updates.
Is the Asus you tested with running Honeycomb 3.2 ?
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Have you taken your app "writepad stylus" off the market?
I paid for it (some weeks ago) and can't find it any more on the market.
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I will try different software/firmware versions "side-by-side" when I get home to see if there's any improvement with the newer updates.
Is the Asus you tested with running Honeycomb 3.2 ?
Edit:
Have you taken your app "writepad stylus" off the market?
I paid for it (some weeks ago) and can't find it any more on the market.
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Yeah Asus on 3.2, Samsung on 3.1 (though that's probably not the issue). I just ran Software update on samsung and it's on the latest firmware.
Writepad Stylus is here: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.writepad
version 2 is out
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Yeah Asus on 3.2, Samsung on 3.1 (though that's probably not the issue). I just ran Software update on samsung and it's on the latest firmware.
Writepad Stylus is here: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.writepad
version 2 is out
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I get "the requested item could not be found" when I click on the install button.
Thanks to transceiver for that nice comparison and testing of the handwriting app. I bought the new Samsung 10.1 tab with one of the primary intentions to use it to take handwritten notes during meetings and work sessions.
The Samsung's screen responsiveness is a great dissapointment and propably the worse I have seen of the current top "name brand" tablets. It is extremely sluggish in comparison to the rest and handwriting on it is almost impossible unless you write very slowly. Very frustrating indeed.
Let's hope they take note of this issue and can fix it with a firmware upgrade.
Returned Tab
I had the same problem. I actually returned my galaxy tab just because of this. I loved it but the iPad2 was far more responsive with handwriting. I use my tablet to jot ideas down and annotate very often. The slow Samsung tab was not adequate.
Yeah guys. Unfortunately it seems like both graphic driver and touchscreen sampling rate is crap. Made
Some small video and sent it to Samsung. They just did not care. Video is here:
http://youtu.be/0YAwpEK1Urc
I hope that soon the ics sources are released and we can replace the Samsung crap by something useable as CM8
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wavy lines
just attached an image to show u guys what happens with a capacitive stylus
Absolute garbage if any one wants to do a simple sketch
Drawing diagonals produces wavy un even lines when drawn slowly with a capacitive stylus, hence any curve or circle comes out uneven
Can any of you post what happens when u draw a circle slowly or draw diagonals slowly using ur capacitive stylus
Want to know if its just my tablets problem
+ 1 It is totally unusable for anything then 5 year old finger painting.
Any devs looking at a possible fix?
Go to 10.1 Dev section .... check out the thread solving touchscreen sensitivity! Works like a charm .. handwriting works like how I like it now! Must get it!
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i know these two tab are very different due to the size and os but i am stuck between buying either one. i would like the flyer because its portable, fits in my pocket on the go and is easier to manage when in public. but i feel the flyer is not worth its price, its basically outdated due to the fact that its single core and it runs on 2.3 not honey comb. so i am afraid it will crash often like the tab 7 use to do to me. i would love the galaxy tab 10.1 i already seem what samsung did with the tab 7 so i cant imagine how much better this can be. i would love honey comb seem to be very stable and smooth running on dual proccessors. my only one con is that i think its big and yes i have read else where that 10.1 will only be good for couch surfing or home.
so what should i do portabilty, gps, can take it to work and not be in my way, or 10.1 tab
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i know these two tab are very different due to the size and os but i am stuck between buying either one. i would like the flyer because its portable, fits in my pocket on the go and is easier to manage when in public. but i feel the flyer is not worth its price, its basically outdated due to the fact that its single core and it runs on 2.3 not honey comb. so i am afraid it will crash often like the tab 7 use to do to me. i would love the galaxy tab 10.1 i already seem what samsung did with the tab 7 so i cant imagine how much better this can be. i would love honey comb seem to be very stable and smooth running on dual proccessors. my only one con is that i think its big and yes i have read else where that 10.1 will only be good for couch surfing or home.
so what should i do portabilty, gps, can take it to work and not be in my way, or 10.1 tab
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In my opinion, 8.9" fit in between the portability and home use. One thing I noticed is that Honeycomb UI has to be on landscape, it is kind of inflexible.
The 8.9 galaxy tab release hasn't been announced and i read somewhere its being delayed due to screen issues. But i do get what you are saying about landscape which is not a problem to me. Its just the portability
There is already a thread on this precise topic, with quite a few different opinions for you to check out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1109074
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i know these two tab are very different due to the size and os but i am stuck between buying either one. i would like the flyer because its portable, fits in my pocket on the go and is easier to manage when in public. but i feel the flyer is not worth its price, its basically outdated due to the fact that its single core and it runs on 2.3 not honey comb. so i am afraid it will crash often like the tab 7 use to do to me. i would love the galaxy tab 10.1 i already seem what samsung did with the tab 7 so i cant imagine how much better this can be. i would love honey comb seem to be very stable and smooth running on dual proccessors. my only one con is that i think its big and yes i have read else where that 10.1 will only be good for couch surfing or home.
so what should i do portabilty, gps, can take it to work and not be in my way, or 10.1 tab
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I use my Flyer exclusively since purchasing over my iPad for the portability. The 10" screen is really nice for magazines (Zinio), but for surfing the web, and email the portability is great. The pen integration is premium, but really brings this device into the boardroom which was always lacking on my iPad.
Sounds to me that if you get the Flyer you may always regret the single-core hardware. Its a solid performer regardless of the single-core and lack of honeycomb (ay the moment).
Yeah, I think the people have a problem with the single-core processor now that the super 'cool' tegra 2 is out. Either way, I just bought the HTC flyer to test it out and I think I will be keeping it because honestly it is simply PRACTICAL. It is easy to lug around, it is discrete, and the pen integration is just a plus. Go to the accessory section and find the post for the $27.00 Fujitsu stylus that works perfectly with the HTC flyer and you got yourself a good tablet.
I had the same question. I REALLY wanted the Flyer with the pen, Best Buy and HTC turned me off with the extra cost for the pen. $80 really? This is a good review of the Flyer http://liliputing.com/2011/06/htc-flyer-tablet-review.html It shows that it is actually faster than the Xoom...for gaming I don't know. It does use the same chip as the Xperia Play though. So probably no slouch in the graphics area too. But it only has a few programs that actual use the pen. Though if HTC ever releases the API http://htcdev.com/ then the Flyer could become very awesome. They also said they would upgrade to 3.x... So who knows. I like the form factor. 8.9 would be pretty sweet. Are any other tablets coming out with a pen? Though I think I'm leaning towards the Acer Icona.
Well i went out and got the tab 10.1. I couldnt resist the resolutiom and its very light. Im not use to the big screen but surfing the web is so much better its so smooth. Im in love right now. I did try the flyer i wanted the portability but i felt it was over priced. And plus i got a cover for i so i can just trow it in my nike bagg and take it to work. The only one thing that gets to me is that its not 3g but besides that just having a little difficulty holding it while typing. Ill be able to rate this better once i getan andriod phone that tethers
I have been trying to develop a note taking app on my galaxy tab 10.1 and I kept having issues with handwriting. The accuracy was horrible. I could hardly make out what I wrote. I tried a couple things, but I'm fairly new to Android development. So, instead I ran to the local Best Buy to try out some other tablets. The Transformer and the Acer looked so much better when I tried writing in a paint app. Has anyone else noticed this? If so, can this be fixed on software or is this a hardware issue? I hope I can fix it. Note taking was a large reason I bought it. I may just return it and get the transformer.
Just a note, I used the same paint app to compare all three.
Which applications are you using ?
program
I was using the Free version of Kids Doodle. I've tried a couple of applications with touch screen writing and they all seem to have the same problem. I also tried a capacitive pen and that didn't seem to make a difference.
I dont have a stylus , but using the above program I dont see any issue with accuracy.
If you do a loooooong stroke like an endless circle it does trail behind slightly.
Perhaps a video for comparison would help.
I'll try to take a video when I get home...
I read through the post in your signature about the Acer v Tab comparison. I then read through the link you posted about the GPU acceleration. Could my issue be an issue with GPU acceleration. It seems to happen the most if I try to write at a "regular" pace. I saw someone mention input flooding. Are there just too many input points and it starts skipping points? I don't know why this would be different on the Asus and Acer. I did notice that the ASUS (and the Acer?) seem to have 3.1 slightly modified. It didn't seem to be vanilla Android. Could they have added some GPU acceleration?
If that is the case, maybe the update from Samsung with Touchwiz will help the situation.
My head is just spinning because I really wanted to use the Android tablet for some decent note taking. I'm thinking it is not going to happen, even if I put in the time to develop it. It's a little frustrating.
Are you saying that you don't see any lag on the gtab or the Acer? I wasn't sure which one you had.
Hi,
I'm thinking to buy a new tablet pc for my school. I'll convert my books into pdf files and will continue lessons with tablet pc.
I need:
- Performance(performance means for me, what is smooth on home screen animations and switching between applications)
- Pen, which is has a thin pointer & body and useful for every app any second
- Screen size
And I searched the market for that options, result is : Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 or HTC Flyer.
Now, I need to know truths about Samsung Galaxy 10.1. Let me know them please..
Firstly when I was searching on the market, I tested the SG 10.1 and saw the:
- Animations are not smooth, I think 1Ghz processor is not enough
- Boot time is so bad, about 25-30 seconds(HTC Flyer is ready in 3 seconds)
What about your lookouts? Battery time on usage and more important question: battery life? I mean is battery time is always same on same usage or its decreasing? (if you use)pen performance, is that a good device to school?
Thanks a lot for your answers.
yeah the Tab is not performing as expected, too many slow down and bugs, i am quite dissatisfied with mine. It has the best screen out of all the tablets, but that was it, get an Ipad 2 man, your needs is simple enough for a simple device. My two cents.
every android honeycomb tab will perform the same. all have the same processor etc. stock launcher is laggy.Download and install ADW EX, super slick, super smooth, no lag.
As for stylus the Adonit pro stylus is what you will need, costs $30. Gtab 10.1 will be perfect. just switched to it from the eee pad transformer and love it
Battery life is awesome. I am a heavy user and i get about 8 hours. As for overall processor performance ICe Cream Sandwich will be optimized for multiple core processors. When ICS comes out in a few weeks, Tegra 2 powered devices will rip everything else to shreds. that being said performance is great right now.
IPAD 2 IS NOT THE ANSWER! Sheesh! If half the users of Android tabs would just do a little research they would understand that they kick the iPads ass when it comes to functionality.
Also stay away from the HTC Flyer. Number one it runs gingerbread and not the tablet optimized Honeycomb software. It is about to be discontinued, and recently took a nose dive in price to $299, the stylus that you need for it (the official HTC one) costs $80. craziness!! It also only has a single core processor(galaxy tab has dual core) and a 7" screen compared to the 10.1 inch on the galaxy tab
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo
cannot resist .
PS: it's a good tab if you willing to tinker a bit and do lot's of reading/learning.
every android honeycomb tab will perform the same. all have the same processor etc. stock launcher is laggy.Download and install ADW EX, super slick, super smooth, no lag.
As for stylus the Adonit pro stylus is what you will need, costs $30. Gtab 10.1 will be perfect. just switched to it from the eee pad transformer and love it
Battery life is awesome. I am a heavy user and i get about 8 hours. As for overall processor performance ICe Cream Sandwich will be optimized for multiple core processors. When ICS comes out in a few weeks, Tegra 2 powered devices will rip everything else to shreds. that being said performance is great right now.
IPAD 2 IS NOT THE ANSWER! Sheesh! If half the users of Android tabs would just do a little research they would understand that they kick the iPads ass when it comes to functionality.
Also stay away from the HTC Flyer. Number one it runs gingerbread and not the tablet optimized Honeycomb software. It is about to be discontinued, and recently took a nose dive in price to $299, the stylus that you need for it (the official HTC one) costs $80. craziness!! It also only has a single core processor(galaxy tab has dual core) and a 7" screen compared to the 10.1 inch on the galaxy tab
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How does it kill the ipad2? I just got the tab. I am a graduate student, so money is not loose for me. I need performance and functionality that will last... and I mean last. Not be outdated and useless in a few months like many android devices suffer.
I am debating if the ipad2 might be a better investment. What do you think?
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How does it kill the ipad2? I just got the tab. I am a graduate student, so money is not loose for me. I need performance and functionality that will last... and I mean last. Not be outdated and useless in a few months like many android devices suffer.
I am debating if the ipad2 might be a better investment. What do you think?
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Come on dude. Think before you post. Will the ipad 2 be "useless" when ipad 3 comes out? Every gadget that is made is updated to a newer model every year. But, they all still perform. And work. Only techies and wealthy people update their device every year.
As for OP- go to store and try out different tablets and see if they do what you want them to do. You will never know untill you play around with them. Although, if you searched just a couple of threds here, there seems to be a number of tab owners who do not like the stylus input on their device. I use my tab in my World History classroom, but mostly to supplement a lesson. I absolutely love my galaxy tab, but there are far more useful applications for education on the ipad.
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on the Flyer
Well on the topic of stylus input neither produce the results expected. The galaxy tab doesnt accept a fine enough input to be useful with handwriting, however typing is a breeze from the large screen area and then with a bluetooth keyboard it is almost as good as a full blown laptop, if not as good. The Flyer is a great tablet in its own regard but lack of official Honeycomb drove me away, and the stylus while fairly accurate cannot replace pen and paper and with my larger hands did not jive and palm rejection was lacking. So if stylus input was a hope go demo them and see for yourself!
Oh also I typed all of this on my Gtab
I use mine for exactly that. My books are in my Tab. I still take notes on paper though, I prefer paper for notes. I've been very happy with mine. I don't turn mine off, leave it in standby
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Hi, the main reason I bought Flyer is the stylus (Magic Pen). But I am very disappointed with the performance.
As you know that Galaxy Note is on the market. I see that the stylus (S Pen) works very smooth.
I am thinking about selling Flyer and buy Galaxy Note as a replacement.
I need your opinions
Thanks and cheers
silverwind said:
Hi, the main reason I bought Flyer is the stylus (Magic Pen). But I am very disappointed with the performance.
As you know that Galaxy Note is on the market. I see that the stylus (S Pen) works very smooth.
I am thinking about selling Flyer and buy Galaxy Note as a replacement.
I need your opinions
Thanks and cheers
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FWIW...I believe the Note employs Wacom instead on N-Trig digitization.
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FWIW...I believe the Note employs Wacom instead on N-Trig digitization.
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I know, but it is not what I ask, actually
I personally wouldn't want to go below 7" for working with a pen effectively and I also have my doubts about the palm rejection technology on the Note. The HC upgrade which should eventually make it to the Flyer might address a lot of issues people have with pen use.
If you're looking for a tablet that can sustain extensive writing sessions, I'm going to say that the Flyer is probably the better option. If you need a phone, you'll obviously need to go with the Note, unless you're in a non-US market that carries the EVO View variant.
I agree with veethree that going below 7" is questionable as the Flyer is already borderline wonky to write on. However, I don't think palm rejection will be an issue. Both N-trig and Wacom sidestep the need for palm rejection by simply turning off the touch function of the screen when using the pen. There's a lot of confusion about this amongst the user community and techblogs. It's probably just poor communication from OEM's, but this is how it's always been. You have to bring the pen close to the screen first, BEFORE you put your palm down; move the pen away to reactivate the touch screen It's unnatural as most people put their palms down first, but that's how it works. In the absence of active/passive digitizers, software palm-rejection becomes the name of the game.
As far as smoothness of the writing, I think that really comes down to drivers/software from the OEM's. I've used N-trig and Wacom on Windows tablets, and I didn't notice any differences, suggesting the hardware is quite similar.
The Flyer's pen does seem to write smoother in the Notes Mobile app (pulled from Lenovo's Thinkpad Tablet and running on the Flyer), presumably because Notes Mobile uses a different shared library supplied by Lenovo. Again, suggesting smoothness is a software issue.
Finally, in my opinion, the experience is a lot better with the Honeycomb leak installed. Have you tried this?
I don't believe galaxy note using wacom technology. There is no single statement from Samsung that declared they are using wacom. They just saying that they are using their own S-pen technology.
Until now, wacom has never announced it has implemented its technology on android, because their digitizer based on resistive screen.
I suspect that galaxy note still using enhanced capacitive pen based on the software specifically designed for the small screen so it does not need a palm rejection technology. But can you imagine how uncomfortable it is to write to the screen size for daily use?
If you feel laggy using notes on gingerbread flyer, please try to deactivate the keyboard while scribbling with null keyboard. You will feel the smoothness although writing rapidly. So, this is just software problems and not because of the hardware!
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...Until now, wacom has never announced it has implemented its technology on android, because their digitizer based on resistive screen...
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I don't think Wacom uses resistive screens - the ones I have used (tablet PC world) are all active digitizers on non-resistive screens.
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I don't believe galaxy note using wacom technology. There is no single statement from Samsung that declared they are using wacom. They just saying that they are using their own S-pen technology.
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I suppose that's true; I've only read things at Android Community and CNET that suggest it's Wacom tech.
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Until now, wacom has never announced it has implemented its technology on android, because their digitizer based on resistive screen.
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Again, I think this is more misinformation likely due to OEM communication, or lack thereof. Wacom makes digitizers using either either resistive or capacitive touch-screen layers (my HP tm2t is a capactive touchscreen w/ Wacom digitizer). The touchscreen and digitizer are usually two separate layers, and I suspect the Galaxy Note will use a similar setup. Wacom and N-trig are proven tech on Windows Tablet PC's, so it would be interesting and surprising to see anything else.
iwansuryo said:
If you feel laggy using notes on gingerbread flyer, please try to deactivate the keyboard while scribbling with null keyboard. You will feel the smoothness although writing rapidly. So, this is just software problems and not because of the hardware!
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I use a null keyboard too that someone put up on the Market, but I find it only addresses usability and not smoothness of the actual writing. I think HTC just needs to polish their drivers and/or shared libraries to get a smoother experience if the Lenovo implementation can be used as some kind of reference.
Android community has stated that the Galaxy note has wacom technology. Engadget said it has capacitive super Amoled display. On top of that Samsung is going to public the pen SDK in this coming December to encourage developer to create more app for the note. For me, I agree that a 7 inch display is a lot better than a 5 inch display in term of writing experience. But I believe galaxy note will have a lot more support and more great apps. If they had a 7 inch galaxy note right now , I would jump to it right away.
I hope that HTC will learn from Samsung to attract developer and media for the flyer.
I've watched a couple fo those demo videos of the Galaxy Note, and the Wacom inking support looks a lot like Tablet PC quality (smoothing, pressure, etc). I'm like most here though - 7" is about the bare minimum I would want to write on - but that Super Amoled screen is to die for...
Stylus
Stylus: Wacom E-Pen G5SP sensor
Source: http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/28/behind-the-glass-a-detailed-tour-inside-the-samsung-galaxy-note/
iwansuryo said:
I don't believe galaxy note using wacom technology. There is no single statement from Samsung that declared they are using wacom. They just saying that they are using their own S-pen technology.
Until now, wacom has never announced it has implemented its technology on android, because their digitizer based on resistive screen.
I suspect that galaxy note still using enhanced capacitive pen based on the software specifically designed for the small screen so it does not need a palm rejection technology. But can you imagine how uncomfortable it is to write to the screen size for daily use?
If you feel laggy using notes on gingerbread flyer, please try to deactivate the keyboard while scribbling with null keyboard. You will feel the smoothness although writing rapidly. So, this is just software problems and not because of the hardware!
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I read that S Note using Wacom
I would skip HC in favor of ICS
dstrauss said:
I've watched a couple fo those demo videos of the Galaxy Note, and the Wacom inking support looks a lot like Tablet PC quality (smoothing, pressure, etc). I'm like most here though - 7" is about the bare minimum I would want to write on - but that Super Amoled screen is to die for...
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Actually, that is why I m becoming interested in GS Note..
But, it's just a video. Need to be tested by ourselves
I thank you all for your opinions... I think I will wait GS Note land in my country (it will be in November) and see it whether it is as good as advertized and in the meantime I will stick to my Flyer
Cheers
Wacom E-Pen G5SP
This may help. There is an hardware dissection on engadget of the Galaxy Note, "Behind the Glass"
Sorry to bring this back from the dead, but after much looking around on here the web, I haven't found anything that really answers this very question.
I was looking at the HTC Flyer to replace my rough sketchbook (nothing will really replace my pencil and paper for drawing stuff out, nor am I looking to replace my graphic tablet on my desktop, I'm just looking for something that I can hammer ideas out, thoughts on colour, etc) but after reading the various threads I'm now not so sure if that is a good choice.
There's been a fair bit of plugging for the Galaxy Note and it's S-Pen and wondering if anyone has any experience with both? Did the author for this every settle on a device?
I'm not too concerned about the lack of ICS support for the Flyer (although to be truthful I haven't had much Android experience so I don't really see how much lack of support will effect the device....although being a Windows Phone user from the get go has given me more than enough 'support issues'), nor am I looking to replace my phone.
The size for me would be an issue, but it's not as important as performance of the pen.
Pretty much everything I've read that actually talks about the pens (as opposed to other functions which hold no interest) mainly discuss writing, but I'm looking at this a purely drawing point of view. I've seen some examples of the sketches on the Flyer on a different thread and they looked pretty good, but if anyone could offer an informed opinion I'd really appreciate it, don't want to get lumbered with some half arsed device.
I have been looking for a tablet for myself. Mostly, for note/lectures taking and reading. And also for remote connections to Linux machines, when I'm at the beach for example.
When I first saw it, I immediately understood that I had to have it. I bought Android version through Lenovo website. Windows just doesn't make sense to me on this device, it is not powerful enough, and it is a tablet! It is not supposed to replace a laptop. I don't find Windows apps ecosystem as good for mobile devices, as Android.
Waited about a week. Was very excited, when I finally got a package (yeah, I know, I'm a grown-up baby ). And, unfortunately, was disappointed right out of the box. The screen was defective (I even posted it here, lol): uneven color temperature to such level, that I cannot stand. But, I decided to give it a try anyways.
1. Hardware is impressive. Tablet looks fantastic. Sound is very good for the device of this size. I'm still blown away by a case itself. I liked the hinge, and how you can easily transform the tablet.
2. Halo keyboard looks futuristic. And it is OK for typing. I saw many reviews heavily criticizing it, but it is fine. Yes, you cannot type as fast, as on the mechanical keyboard, but it is still much faster than on the on-screen keyboard. Well, touchpad is bad and doesn't support multi-touch (though manual suggests it does), but I actually don't think one needs a touchpad on Android, so I don't complain here.
3. Drawing and note-taking on the Wacom surface is reliable and was a good experience for me. It is a little bit awkward in the beginning to physically write not directly on top of the area where image appears, but it is very easy to get used to. No buttons on the pen though.
4. Atom CPU is more than enough, device felt very responsive overall. However, I did notice it stuttered while charging, probably due to thermal throttling. But on battery I didn't notice any performance issues with the apps I used.
5. Now comes a weak part. Software.
I liked the taskbar, it is nice and useful, but overall, stock software feels like it is a beta version, and it is very basic (to say the least). Especially Lenovo apps (including note-taking). Well, not a real minus, since there are good apps in Google Store. But Lenovo Android customizations definitely need polishing.
Multi-window is almost useless, you cannot resize apps, but only have a smartphone-like size. And in windowed mode apps very often crash (I actually don't remember, when was the last time anything crashed on my Nexus 5, but I root-customized it...).
Some settings simply don't work: no matter what you do, it resets itself back to the default value. For some reason, I couldn't select my Google account as a backup account... Encryption is enabled by default, and you cannot disable it (it actually resulted in a factory reset, see below). Transition animations constantly turned on/off by themselves. And manual is simply inconsistent with the actual software.
I didn't find an easy way to switch Halo keyboard languages.
No customization for note-taking app: every time you switch to Wacom input mode, annoying Lenovo note-taking small window appears, and you have to close it in order to continue drawing in your app.
I had a nasty experience with an update. While updating everything seemed normal, but on the final boot I got a message "Encryption failed. Your tablet will be factory reset". And, yep, I got a completely fresh system, but it was updated. :good: And since there was no option to use my Google account for backup, I had to reinstall and reconfigure everything again. :silly:
Taking all that into account with my initial hardware problem, I just decided to return my YogaBook. I should say, it does feel sad a little bit as it is a very unique device. Honestly, I really wanted to love this device. But it definitely needs polishing, and if you're not a gadget enthusiast, you probably should wait for the next version.
disagree in all points
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Hanfried said:
disagree in all points
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Sure. Do you disagree on all points or only on negative ones?
I really wanted to love this device. Well, I'm returning mine anyways because of the screen issue. I went with my YogaBook to BestBuy and compared it to other tablets, and yep, even Samsung Tab A 10.1'' has a better screen than my tablet. This is definitely unacceptable.
I'm not 100% sure though, if I should just return it or actually do an exchange. But I'm returning, because in this case, if I change my mind, I can purchase a new one (hopefully, without screen defects) (effectively do an "exchange").
If you could be so kind, and point out to me how to fix these software glitches, I would really appreciate it.
couldnt agree more. I personally contacted lenovo in order to return the yoga book too. so disappointed. I think they should have installed Chromebook OS
BTW, I also had the problem with the upgrade and I had to reset everything...
Just curious . . . .
Don't you think the problems will be solved with updates? It is a new product after all. :silly:
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Don't you think the problems will be solved with updates? It is a new product after all. :silly:
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Maybe. That's why I say one should wait for another version.
I have bought Samsung Galaxy Tab A 10.1 with S Pen, and this tablet actually performs much better than YogaBook, despite lower specs. Moreover, it actually feels much more comfortable to write directly on the screen.
I just got mine in uae and despite its flaws i really love this device because of the battery life, sound, display and the wacom stylus. Sure the halo keyboard needs some more work but otherwise it works as intended. Just waiting for someone to make a remix os for this.
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Maybe. That's why I say one should wait for another version.
I have bought Samsung Galaxy Tab A 10.1 with S Pen, and this tablet actually performs much better than YogaBook, despite lower specs. Moreover, it actually feels much more comfortable to write directly on the screen.
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I pulled the trigger and am going to give it a try. The biggest selling point for me is being able to take notes on paper and pen and then have handwriting recognition do its magic.
Also, there is "Any Pen" support for writing directly on the screen. Though it is not perfect, it should be enough for me.
Admittedly, I am still not 100% convinced and I will let you know how it goes when I get my hands on it.
i picked one up at last friday, i wanted a light decent 10 inch android tablet for mostly browsing, evernote and messing on, the keyboard is a compromise but suits my needs, if im going to do a large amount of typing ill do it on my desktop pc, I personally really like it overall but I just hope they bring Nougat to it so we can atleast have the 2 window option, other than that i lowered the dpi because it was far too high for me, and hopefully we get root soon so i can force chrome to always display desktop sites, as mobile sites on a 10 inch tablet is stupid.
oh i also wish you could scroll easily with the trackpad but i guess thats an Android limitation.
Yeah true that really need that nougat. Has anyone tried installing remix os on their yoga book?
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Yeah true that really need that nougat. Has anyone tried installing remix os on their yoga book?
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I ůove this device so much but i must totaly agree that Lenovo should agree with jide and Remix OS should be preinstalled as the lenovo modified android realy sucks and is inmature... BTW i am intersted in same Did anyone?
I love it, you have to get used to it
Got mine few days ago.
I love it.
It takes some adjusting of workflows, but it is new, it is different, it is astonishing! Those are the reasons I bought it!.
HINGE IS MIND BLOWING!!!
Coming from range of tablets (Samsung 7" once upon a time, 10.1 Samsung, Xperia tablet z...) and many phones from different manufacturers, keeping just glass/glass as lite motiv (iPhone 4,xperia z1, S6 edge, S7 edge) I confirm it is different!
Missing lot of Samsung staf, missing lot of IOS stuff, but who cares. Playstore can provide all needed apps for my life/work stile.
It is little bit havy, looking at you keybd, but it has a keybd. For others I had to buy separate one. Halo is not a PC (Mak) keybd, but tablet is not a PC nor Mak. This just works It would be nice to change halo keybd (what you can see) but I can live with German layout I've got, just installed swift and off we go!
The only thing that is a real problem is waterproofing! I was so happy reading in a hot bath! When Experia started leaking it really hurts!
If someone knows about waterproof light case for yoga, please, pretty please let me know!
Everything else will solve it self out, root, android 7.... Just have some patience. XDA always brought a solution. For doubtful - check HTC HD forums...I forgot about my 2 phones, but development is still kicking!
Just that waterproofing IP 68 anybody?
P.S. You can swipe with mousepad, in android, just not 2 finger like manual is promissing.
I got mine today and I love it, but there are things (mostly software) that are bafflingly annoying... I got this device with the idea I could utilize Netflix's offline downloading feature only to find out it's not compatible... wtf... fail...
I got mine about three weeks ago and I'm quite happy with it. I "forgot" my work laptop in my office before Xmas and I was able to survive with my Yogabook (LTE version) so far. Android MS Office apps work sufficiently well for me. VPN and Citrix Terminal Client do their job. I only use my apps in full window mode because the task bar does the job for me. Yes, it's very basic but ok for me.
I had a lot of stability issues in the beginning. I figured out that most of the apps were installed on the 128 GB sd card by default. After moving all (no exceptions) apps to internal storage, there were no crashes anymore. I already used this solution for another Android device with lots of crashes.
It took a while to get used to the keyboard but it is possible to do 10 finger typing at medium speed after some training. I just had to switch off the word completion feature because it began to drive me crazy.
After watching some Youtube videos from an artist who uses his Yogabook as a professional drawing device, I even became motivated to try it out myself. Before I just used the pen to take some notes in Evernote. It's actually quite some fun to use it for drawing and I had to buy the add-on stuff of the ArtFlow app.
Yes, it's annoying that it is not possible to download stuff to the tablet via the Netflix app. Amazon, Spotify, and Maxdome download content works well, however, in offline mode. The HDMI output to an HD TV or a projector looks good, too. Both for video streaming and Powerpoint presentations.
In summary, I'm quite happy with it ... even as an unplanned replacement for my work laptop ...
the drawing surface work with other apps or just the lenovo drawing app? for example Adobe sketch
dshadow21 said:
the drawing surface work with other apps or just the lenovo drawing app? for example Adobe sketch
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It works great with Sketchbook, Infinite Painter, Layer Paint. However somehow most brushes do not work with Corel painter.
I personally find drawing on Yogabook to be more responsive and less alggy than compared to my Samsung 10.1 2014.
hajkan said:
It works great with Sketchbook, Infinite Painter, Layer Paint. However somehow most brushes do not work with Corel painter.
I personally find drawing on Yogabook to be more responsive and less alggy than compared to my Samsung 10.1 2014.
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I used so far without issues: ArtFlow and ArtRage for Drawing, Evernote and Lenovo Note Taker for handwritten notes, Ez PDF for annotating pdf documents.
For my purposes, the pen is very accurate and responsive. In ArtFlow the pen pressure dependent line thickness and color intensity work very well.
Small addition. It survived nasti drop from table height in the office, rough terrain (PC, table legs, chair legs).
Ugly dent in metal and some scratches. That is a drawback of metal build! Glass glass will shater or survive without evidence.
BUT IT WORKS no problem at all!
Stupid question
How to @ on the Halo keyboard?
Shift + @