Samsung has just released the Galaxy Note.
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41837/samsung-galaxy-note-ifa-tablet-phone
5.5in screen is a bit small as a tablet, large as a smartphone. I am also no fan of SS's AMOLED and build quality.
But the integrated pen capability in software is amazing (due to the SSg's video). Wonder whether we will have something like that or can get something from that on our Flyers someday.
This might be a stupid question and probably premature right now. I know that the Flyer and the Galaxy Note are completely different devices (CPU, screen, ...). Assuming that SS uses the same n-trig technology in their Note, theoretically is there any chance that we can get Note ROM running on the Flyer?
Tell myself being optimistic, I have just had my Flyer for a month. I like it very much. Hope that amazing and hardworking XDA developers will bring us a lot of extra fun in the future.
Cheers.
Edit: the Note uses Wacom technology due to Cnet.
I really like the way this samsung tablet handles pen integration. After owning my View for a bit now I'm kinda disappointed with it. The pen integration is weak and the note apps is good, not great.
I'll definitely check out this samsung tab when it comes out.
It's nice but i doubt if it can defeat my Phatpad on my old WM05 device.
I hope the application provide option to resize the Page, very annoying if you have you stuck on the screen size when you have a lot of thing to draw.
Check this http://www.pocket-lint.com/news-gallery/41855/samsung-galaxy-note-hands-on/10#image
It has handwriting recognition, bring back memories to oldschool device
Oldschool but usefull .
Wait for Honeycomb for the Flyer and we will probably have the same functionality..
Good point
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Wait for Honeycomb for the Flyer and we will probably have the same functionality..
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I forgot about their hints at a Honeycomb update, and hopefully they are keeping a close eye on what Samsung has done.
This is getting interesting. It'd be cool if the Samsung Tabs had pen support too, and I'd even consider one since I loved my OG Galaxy Tab ... But I am something of an HTC fan. Hmmmm ...
Samsung galaxy note has no n-trig digitizer. It just passive capacitive digitizer. You can just look from the photos and videos that the big line width of the character and only two words per line, telling us that it is only passive technology.
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How about a port of Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet's pen integration? Lenovo uses the same N-trig technology just like HTC Flyer. I really like how it works with Sketchbook Pro pressure sensitive option, and allows the pen to navigate around like using your finger.
I have just about given up on HTC to give me a tablet I have always wanted.
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How about a port of Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet's pen integration? Lenovo uses the same N-trig technology just like HTC Flyer. I really like how it works with Sketchbook Pro pressure sensitive option, and allows the pen to navigate around like using your finger.
I have just about given up on HTC to give me a tablet I have always wanted.
-E.J.Su
"Talent is worthless without hard work."
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In Flyer Honeycomb you can use your pen to do everything you do now with your finger, support is massively improved.
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In Flyer Honeycomb you can use your pen to do everything you do now with your finger, support is massively improved.
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That's awesome to hear, by any chance do you know if the pressure sensitive pen works on Sketchbook Pro?
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In Flyer Honeycomb you can use your pen to do everything you do now with your finger, support is massively improved.
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Amazing, that's a real update. Your comment makes my day, Paul. I am looking forward to the reviews of your leaked Flyer Honeycomb rom. Thanks a lot for sharing.
@d2ey: I still keep my Xperia X1 running WM6.5. Stylus was great in WM.
@iwansuryo: Yes, SS Note does not use ntrig. CNET said that it uses wacom (0'20": http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20100730-264/samsung-galaxy-note-hands-on/). The pen seems quite precise.
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Amazing, that's a real update. Your comment makes my day, Paul.
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+1.
This is the first revelation that actually has me eagerly looking forward to Honeycomb. Up to now I've been like "Honeycomb... meh."
15 screen shots of the Honeycomb Flyer from thisismynext & Paul:
http://thisismynext.com/2011/09/05/h...e-screenshots/
Waiting for reviews on the pen performance.
Video of HC rom from Neaw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxFQ3HWGfRc&feature=youtu.be
This is what we can expect from the official Honeycomb Flyer - HTC Jetstream review (pen from 27'): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEsAjyYDTbU
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How about a port of Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet's pen integration? Lenovo uses the same N-trig technology just like HTC Flyer. I really like how it works with Sketchbook Pro pressure sensitive option, and allows the pen to navigate around like using your finger.
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Sketchbook works on the Jetstream (see the video) so it should work with the Flyer too. I hope that pressure sensitivity will work. since the sketchbook can recognize pressure sensitivity of the Thinkpad pen, very probable that it should behave the same with the Flyer pen.
I'm really interested into the flyer, what features do you miss on this tablet? I would use it for the university and I'm doubting between the trio flyer-jetstream-thinkpad
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You're looking at the world's newest HTC Flyer owner! Man am I impressed by this thing. I'm coming from an HTC EVO and a rooted Nook Color, so the flyer feels very familiar to me. I bought the Flyer principally for the pen functionality, and it certainly hasn't disappointed thus far.
Honestly, it's like HTC probed my brain for my idea of the perfect tablet and based the Flyer on what they found. Perfect form factor, great battery life, HTC Sense, fast, pen input. After experiencing a tablet with pen input and palm rejection I just can't see going back to anything else.
Can't wait for more developers take advantage of the pen API, but just having the ability to jot down notes is worth the price of admission, IMHO.
Congrats! Mr. Can't think of inspiring wallpaper from ICS.
Congrats dude I really like mine too great device here's hoping to more pen development
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Congrats! Mr. Can't think of inspiring wallpaper from ICS.
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LOL, I see my notoriety preceeds me!
Guys! now I am fed up..seems that they will never release honeycomb upgrade...
Anybody any news???
Try living in the US and being ignored even when it comes to small updates.
Think we'll see Honeycomb around the time the Puccini launches? You'd think, but it really appears that HTC has ignored the Flyer.
Try not being updated since launch.... screw it. Above post is most believable, Honeycomb when Jetstream/Skyrocket/Puccini launches.
We should bother the sh%t outta them about it. Seems to works.
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We should bother the sh%t outta them about it. Seems to works.
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LOL XD, I will call them.
Same here, paid in full for the 32gb 3g tablet on day one to use it for my work (illustration/concept design) because of the n-trig digitizer and form factor... Now 4 months later, i only use it for some dumb web browsing, mail checkin and occasionnal movie watchin, stuff that i could perfectly perform on my phone... The scribe sdk (recently released) seems to be 3.x specific from what i understand... AND NOW I'M MAD AS HELL, FED UP OF WAITING. Feel cheated and insulted by the total lack of communication. Should have wait and go for the upcoming Lenovo Thinkpad tablet with nvidia cpu, full size host usb, fullsize sdcard reader and honeycomb out of the box...
I just wish htc would communicate
If somebody know who to hit (that would matter), i'm down for some good old fashion mass emailing, or any action that would get em to give us a goddamn answer
Nox
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Same here, paid in full for the 32gb 3g tablet on day one to use it for my work (illustration/concept design) because of the n-trig digitizer and form factor... Now 4 months later, i only use it for some dumb web browsing, mail checkin and occasionnal movie watchin, stuff that i could perfectly perform on my phone... The scribe sdk (recently released) seems to be 3.x specific from what i understand... AND NOW I'M MAD AS HELL, FED UP OF WAITING. Feel cheated and insulted by the total lack of communication. Should have wait and go for the upcoming Lenovo Thinkpad tablet with nvidia cpu, full size host usb, fullsize sdcard reader and honeycomb out of the box...
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With all respect, how did you plan to use your Flyer? For which kind of work? Why do you think the current software is incapable? It would be good if you can share with us.
If you think that you can not use efficiently the current Flyer for your work I am afraid that you will still be disappointed when the Honeycomb comes. IMHO, the Honeycomb will not bring significant changes in the Flyer's productivity.
BTW, Lenovo Thinkpad is 10" tablet which is in a complete different category. And Chinese Lenovo quality in general is worse than HTC's (I own an Lenovo T serie laptop, It's bad). I think HTC Puccini will be better than the Lenovo Tablet.
I 100% agree!! 100%.
It's not that HC will solve all of our issues or bring in Earth shattering functionality. That's not the point nor my immediate concern.
It's the complete lack of communication and the complete lack of backing.
HTC marketed scribe, where are the new apps supporting it? Where is the communication letting users know that supporting apps are coming?
HTC promised honeycomb "shortly after launch", where is it? Where's the communication?
Heck, where are the accessories?
If HTC is going to position themselves as a company that innovates on top of Android, then they have to do better than this...
My recommendation to you guys is to annoy the heck out of them on twitter and on their facebook page... I try to post to them every now and then just to be a pain in the ass
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With all respect, how did you plan to use your Flyer? For which kind of work? Why do you think the current software is incapable? It would be good if you can share with us.
If you think that you can not use efficiently the current Flyer for your work I am afraid that you will still be disappointed when the Honeycomb comes. IMHO, the Honeycomb will not bring significant changes in the Flyer's productivity.
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Sorta have to agree here. After playing with Honeycomb tablets in the stores, I'm wondering what all the fuss is about. Gingerbread + Sense makes the Flyer a wonderful tablet, IMHO.
Yeah, I'd like to see more pen aware apps. But I suspect it's only a matter of time before they start showing up (especially once other manufacturers adopt N-trig pen technology). And even if they don't, the ability to jot down notes is still worth the price of admission, IMHO.
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Sorta have to agree here. After playing with Honeycomb tablets in the stores, I'm wondering what all the fuss is about. Gingerbread + Sense makes the Flyer a wonderful tablet, IMHO.
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I agree here also. All the current HC tablets are laggy. HC has a few cool features, and looks nice. But the eye candy comes at the expense of performance. And none of the HC features missing from Gingerbread are real deal breakers. HTC is probably trying to figure out how to incorporate Sense without making HC even more laggy. Compared to current HC tablets, the Flyer GB experience is smoother and faster in most respects.
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With all respect, how did you plan to use your Flyer? For which kind of work? Why do you think the current software is incapable? It would be good if you can share with us.
If you think that you can not use efficiently the current Flyer for your work I am afraid that you will still be disappointed when the Honeycomb comes. IMHO, the Honeycomb will not bring significant changes in the Flyer's productivity.
BTW, Lenovo Thinkpad is 10" tablet which is in a complete different category. And Chinese Lenovo quality in general is worse than HTC's (I own an Lenovo T serie laptop, It's bad). I think HTC Puccini will be better than the Lenovo Tablet.
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u may be right, maybe i'm trippin, but i know for sure that Autodesk Sketchbook pro for honeycomb is supposed to support the scribe/n-trig digitizers, so for now unfortunately it feels like this HC update is my best chance to be able to use the flyer as a digital sketchbook. I also keep an anxious eye on that Fresco thread in the meantime, and i sure hope the somebody can make this happen Gingerbread flavor... nobody likes a laggy tablet
for info, i plan to use it to do my preliminary sketches and color studies on the go. The note app combined with evernote may be great for note taking and sketching basic ideas, but misses alot of basic features to call it a painting app (canvas size, simple color mixing/picking, etc...)
i agree about the lenovo feeling pretty cheap compared to htc, but i really like the features, and it should run Sketchbook pro (for instance) with pen pressure out of the box... but i sure like the flyer form factor... i'm just reallyreallyreally frustrated right now...
Anybody knows when pretends HTC offer the Puccini?
September? October? November? Christmast?
I can try wait until Christmast... Not sure...
Depends on the roms...
And of course, i luv this tablet is perfect 4 me
Salu2
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Well, one thing is sure... Anyone of us that have performed the s-off method will not be able to upgrade anyhow! Unless guys here find a way to conform the HTC OTA protocol or HTC add geek allowance into their updates with a warning!
To be honest, I'm with others on here, I've tried HC, and unless HTC have given an even better Sense cover to it, it does not give me any thoughts of upgrade... They still have not fixed PPTP VPN for goodness sake....!
what is actually honeycomb.....
Honeycomb is a new version of Android (3.0) specifically made for tablets. As of now it is laggy, and not fit to run on the Flyer. ICS, is the version after Honeycomb which is to release this fall, and is one OS that runs on both tabs and phones.
Hi,
why isn´t there a rom with android 3.2?
Best regards
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HTC is probably trying to figure out how to incorporate Sense without making HC even more laggy.
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They have. You can see HTC's UI customizations on the Puccini screenshots.
I received this response yesterday when pushing the issue
@htc: @TheNewDorkTimes The software is in development and we'll post here upon its release. Thank you for asking.” #flyer #honeycomb
again vague....companies like Motorola and HTC are screwing customers with false claims of soon to be released features and updates. This, "sell now and make promises philosophy", is pissing a lot of people off. People take the chance of purchasing the product in good faith expecting they will see what was promised soon. HTC can make great products but I for one will never purchase a product that promises features or capabilities in the near future. I will simply wait for something better or go with a reputable company that actually keeps it word.
Hi to all Flyer users,
I am writing this message because despite the fact that I love my Flyer and use it 24/7, I am still not using it for the very first reason that I bought it, to replace my big old tablet PC, for sketches.
When HTC announced the HTC Dev with the Scribe API not so long ago, I was very excited and I thought that we Flyer users would at last have a chance to use it for the main purpose we bought it. But no...
I just wanted to reach out to any coder who is capable of writing an app for the flyer, who understands a word of the coding for the Scribe technology out there. We as artistic Flyer users request an app to let us do sketches and drawings. I don't care at the end how expensive the app will be, because I am pretty sure that the first sketching app made for the Flyer will be bought by many people regardless the price.
If you are a developer who can write such an app, do it soon, because you are going to make lots of money, I'm sure.
I hope nobody finds this message in anyway rude or offensive, it is just that I really want to get full use of my Flyer and since HTC is doing nothing about it so far, XDA community is the only place I know that I can request such a thing.
Thanks to everyone in advance and thanks for understanding.
// I don't if this is even relevant but HTC has uploaded some codes in the HTC Dev website with screenshots of a drawing app, maybe if only those codes are used to make an app //
I feel your pain. I picked up the Flyer for the same reason, unfortunately, it fell short on that one area. The guy that wrote Fresco tried to integrate the pen function, but it hasn't worked.
The good news is, the Honeycomb update supposedly works the same way the finger touch does. Sketchbook Pro supports pressure sensitive pen, I am hoping HTC's pen works in Sketchbook Pro.
I know Fresco and I even tried to help Sean during this process. I respect him for being the only one out there, and doing what HTC is yet to do.
Are you sure that sketchbook has stylus compatibility, pressure sensitivity?
I have just read that the stylus works as a finger does on honeycomb but that does not mean that we will be able to use the pen options (width, pen type, color) still.
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No, I wasn't sure. I was hoping.
I just flashed Honeycomb myself and tried it for myself. I was not able to find Sketchbook Pro in the market so I tried the Express instead, you may or may not know, it doesn't have that pressure sensitive like the Pro version. Express won't even recognize the strokes. I then tried the Mobile version, this version works fine, but no pressure sensitive option.
So the result is still inconclusive until I actually try the pro version. At least right now I've got a precise pen with better color choices.
I'll still try to figure out how to put SB pro in my new Honeycomb Flyer.
In case you didn't know, Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet pen does have pressure sensitive in SB Pro, and it also use N-Trig pen like the Flyer.
[UPDATE] I had to side load Sketchbook Pro. It doesn't work.
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Hi everyone. I thought I'd add my agreement to this thread. I sent a message/request to HTC the other day asking for them to seriously consider doing some collaborative work with a leading company such as Autodesk so the Flyer can be what all of us who bought it for; that we should have access to a drawing/sketching /design app that does the Flyer justice, not just scribbling with 5 colours etc, that the pen api should at least have a colour wheel! I went on to say that the Flyer's market would improve greatly if they allowed the pen to be used to it's full potential...
I really don't get why they would make such a lovely thing but then not bother to finish it off properly... It's like making a really beautiful car and not supplying the wheels or something silly...
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The sad fact is that there is just not enough paying demand out there for high end sketch applications. HTC was targeting business users with the pen. Users such as doctors that would prefer a high accuracy interface like a pen vs. the finger for entering larger amounts of data quickly. Of course those markets are demanding and complex and won't tolerate a half finished product like HTC's. Professional users want a turnkey system, not something they have to fiddle with to get to kind-of-work. S0 the Pen on HTC has turned out to be more of a novelty than a useful tool, which is sad because it has great potential and I love it for taking notes.
HTC published the Pen SDK and Android 4.0 has native stylus support primitives so someone could realistically write an application that has pro caliber sketch functions. Probably happen later under 4.0 ICS as a port of an existing app. I just don't see enough demand for someone to write a new app.
Okay. I feel you are being the realist here. I don't know zip about Android (the flyer is my first touchscreen gizmo) and have been a Windows sucker for ever so don't know about Linux either, but how much would you think a developer would want for creating a color wheel for the stock stylus app? At least then we could draw with a decent colour range with Scribbler or even just in notes. In my ignorance, please forgive me, but the pen api sdk released by HTC would allow someone to do that wouldn't it? If I knew how I'd be on it like I don't know what...
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You would think HTC would have done such a basic feature , but they didn't.
In order to add it, you would need the source code for the current apps. HTC is not sharing that. The SDK provides primitive functions for building new applications. it does not allow you to add features to existing applications.
Sketching...
I am using Autodesk Sketchbook mobile... the sketchbook pro for android doesent work properly. I also have a Cintiq 21 to which the pressure tip is pretty nice.
as for the Flyer I have found if you select the brush tool and play with the settings you can almost get the same feel...
So no apps other then the notes app take advantage of the Pen in GB?
I'v heard that the pen is laggy in HC...
AS far as I know, only the notes app, PDF reader and browser in GB interact in some way with the pen.
Remember that the HC rom is a early beta, I have seen people have different results with the pen on HC, probably depends on what apps you have loaded. IF!!! HTC ever has a final release, I'm sure it will be much more reliable.
So there's no way really of even replacing the stock pen app - the one that pops up bottom-right, with summat better... Unless they were to release the source code for it?...
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Correct, that is part of the HTC Sense UI , its not just an app, it's tied into the Android framework.
That... sucks bum. Have HTC ever spoke of releasing the Sense UI?
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With the second HC leak, I can use Sketchbook Mobile with no issues. What I noticed that pressure sensitivity is related to the pen you choose and the images appear to be in line with how you draw. Also the repsonse is quite good, I didn't see any issues.
I'm not sure if you're a professional sketcher but I am not and the result is impressive to me.
One important note: When you use a quality protection film (preferably mat ones) the result is better. With natural screen, the fricton is too less to write accurately but with a good film, you cannot believe how the writing/drawing experience will improve.
Edit: Skitch app becomes very handy in HC too. Actually let me repeat once more: This device is much better with HC (or ICS) due to better pen support.
+1 for Sketch Book Mobile.
The it would be nice if the erase function would work, but otherwise it works great.
kego said:
With the second HC leak, I can use Sketchbook Mobile with no issues. What I noticed that pressure sensitivity is related to the pen you choose and the images appear to be in line with how you draw. Also the repsonse is quite good, I didn't see any issues.
I'm not sure if you're a professional sketcher but I am not and the result is impressive to me.
One important note: When you use a quality protection film (preferably mat ones) the result is better. With natural screen, the fricton is too less to write accurately but with a good film, you cannot believe how the writing/drawing experience will improve.
Edit: Skitch app becomes very handy in HC too. Actually let me repeat once more: This device is much better with HC (or ICS) due to better pen support.
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Let me clarify. You are saying that the pressure sensitive pen for the flyer works with sketchbook mobile on the newest HC leak, no extra development needed for the app to add the pressure sensitivity? So this means it doesn't have to use the stock colors and brushes for the native pen?
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Let me clarify. You are saying that the pressure sensitive pen for the flyer works with sketchbook mobile on the newest HC leak, no extra development needed for the app to add the pressure sensitivity? So this means it doesn't have to use the stock colors and brushes for the native pen?
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That's my observation (leak #2). When you choose broader brush, you can differantiate the pressure sensitivity better. It's also valid for the native notes where you choose the big brush.
I'm liking this... I'm no developer and therefore I really appreciate xda developers chat about this... I would like to use sketchbook mobile more with the pen and it's good that skitch works better too. Will be good to see if Fresco works too!
So then, following on... the stock pen part of the Android Sense UI becomes less used because the app itself is supported through support from HC (or ICS?), what can be done for/what good is the stock pen part of Sense UI? Is it potentially more powerful because it's native, in any way (ignorance possibly showing)? In terms of developing, what COULD the pen part of Sense UI do or be used for if it's superceded by the app's integral features? How could the pressure sensitivity of it be improved more.
Or...
Is it too late in on a Friday night for me to talk anything that's not utter trash?
Will have to get a matt screen protector by the way... Thanks for the suggestion.
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I'm liking this... I'm no developer and therefore I really appreciate xda developers chat about this... I would like to use sketchbook mobile more with the pen and it's good that skitch works better too. Will be good to see if Fresco works too!
So then, following on... the stock pen part of the Android Sense UI becomes less used because the app itself is supported through support from HC (or ICS?), what can be done for/what good is the stock pen part of Sense UI? Is it potentially more powerful because it's native, in any way (ignorance possibly showing)? In terms of developing, what COULD the pen part of Sense UI do or be used for if it's superceded by the app's integral features? How could the pressure sensitivity of it be improved more.
Or...
Is it too late in on a Friday night for me to talk anything that's not utter trash?
Will have to get a matt screen protector by the way... Thanks for the suggestion.
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This depends upon HTC. If they develop any better applications for the Flyer, we'll be able to use stock part and full pen function (like erase button).
If HTC would publish (or support a 3rd party whichsoever) a better and more professional notes (something like Quill), and a good paint/sketch app I will definitely buy them. But the question is if HTC will do that.
Hi, the main reason I bought Flyer is the stylus (Magic Pen). But I am very disappointed with the performance.
As you know that Galaxy Note is on the market. I see that the stylus (S Pen) works very smooth.
I am thinking about selling Flyer and buy Galaxy Note as a replacement.
I need your opinions
Thanks and cheers
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Hi, the main reason I bought Flyer is the stylus (Magic Pen). But I am very disappointed with the performance.
As you know that Galaxy Note is on the market. I see that the stylus (S Pen) works very smooth.
I am thinking about selling Flyer and buy Galaxy Note as a replacement.
I need your opinions
Thanks and cheers
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FWIW...I believe the Note employs Wacom instead on N-Trig digitization.
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FWIW...I believe the Note employs Wacom instead on N-Trig digitization.
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I know, but it is not what I ask, actually
I personally wouldn't want to go below 7" for working with a pen effectively and I also have my doubts about the palm rejection technology on the Note. The HC upgrade which should eventually make it to the Flyer might address a lot of issues people have with pen use.
If you're looking for a tablet that can sustain extensive writing sessions, I'm going to say that the Flyer is probably the better option. If you need a phone, you'll obviously need to go with the Note, unless you're in a non-US market that carries the EVO View variant.
I agree with veethree that going below 7" is questionable as the Flyer is already borderline wonky to write on. However, I don't think palm rejection will be an issue. Both N-trig and Wacom sidestep the need for palm rejection by simply turning off the touch function of the screen when using the pen. There's a lot of confusion about this amongst the user community and techblogs. It's probably just poor communication from OEM's, but this is how it's always been. You have to bring the pen close to the screen first, BEFORE you put your palm down; move the pen away to reactivate the touch screen It's unnatural as most people put their palms down first, but that's how it works. In the absence of active/passive digitizers, software palm-rejection becomes the name of the game.
As far as smoothness of the writing, I think that really comes down to drivers/software from the OEM's. I've used N-trig and Wacom on Windows tablets, and I didn't notice any differences, suggesting the hardware is quite similar.
The Flyer's pen does seem to write smoother in the Notes Mobile app (pulled from Lenovo's Thinkpad Tablet and running on the Flyer), presumably because Notes Mobile uses a different shared library supplied by Lenovo. Again, suggesting smoothness is a software issue.
Finally, in my opinion, the experience is a lot better with the Honeycomb leak installed. Have you tried this?
I don't believe galaxy note using wacom technology. There is no single statement from Samsung that declared they are using wacom. They just saying that they are using their own S-pen technology.
Until now, wacom has never announced it has implemented its technology on android, because their digitizer based on resistive screen.
I suspect that galaxy note still using enhanced capacitive pen based on the software specifically designed for the small screen so it does not need a palm rejection technology. But can you imagine how uncomfortable it is to write to the screen size for daily use?
If you feel laggy using notes on gingerbread flyer, please try to deactivate the keyboard while scribbling with null keyboard. You will feel the smoothness although writing rapidly. So, this is just software problems and not because of the hardware!
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...Until now, wacom has never announced it has implemented its technology on android, because their digitizer based on resistive screen...
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I don't think Wacom uses resistive screens - the ones I have used (tablet PC world) are all active digitizers on non-resistive screens.
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I don't believe galaxy note using wacom technology. There is no single statement from Samsung that declared they are using wacom. They just saying that they are using their own S-pen technology.
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I suppose that's true; I've only read things at Android Community and CNET that suggest it's Wacom tech.
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Until now, wacom has never announced it has implemented its technology on android, because their digitizer based on resistive screen.
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Again, I think this is more misinformation likely due to OEM communication, or lack thereof. Wacom makes digitizers using either either resistive or capacitive touch-screen layers (my HP tm2t is a capactive touchscreen w/ Wacom digitizer). The touchscreen and digitizer are usually two separate layers, and I suspect the Galaxy Note will use a similar setup. Wacom and N-trig are proven tech on Windows Tablet PC's, so it would be interesting and surprising to see anything else.
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If you feel laggy using notes on gingerbread flyer, please try to deactivate the keyboard while scribbling with null keyboard. You will feel the smoothness although writing rapidly. So, this is just software problems and not because of the hardware!
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I use a null keyboard too that someone put up on the Market, but I find it only addresses usability and not smoothness of the actual writing. I think HTC just needs to polish their drivers and/or shared libraries to get a smoother experience if the Lenovo implementation can be used as some kind of reference.
Android community has stated that the Galaxy note has wacom technology. Engadget said it has capacitive super Amoled display. On top of that Samsung is going to public the pen SDK in this coming December to encourage developer to create more app for the note. For me, I agree that a 7 inch display is a lot better than a 5 inch display in term of writing experience. But I believe galaxy note will have a lot more support and more great apps. If they had a 7 inch galaxy note right now , I would jump to it right away.
I hope that HTC will learn from Samsung to attract developer and media for the flyer.
I've watched a couple fo those demo videos of the Galaxy Note, and the Wacom inking support looks a lot like Tablet PC quality (smoothing, pressure, etc). I'm like most here though - 7" is about the bare minimum I would want to write on - but that Super Amoled screen is to die for...
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Stylus: Wacom E-Pen G5SP sensor
Source: http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/28/behind-the-glass-a-detailed-tour-inside-the-samsung-galaxy-note/
iwansuryo said:
I don't believe galaxy note using wacom technology. There is no single statement from Samsung that declared they are using wacom. They just saying that they are using their own S-pen technology.
Until now, wacom has never announced it has implemented its technology on android, because their digitizer based on resistive screen.
I suspect that galaxy note still using enhanced capacitive pen based on the software specifically designed for the small screen so it does not need a palm rejection technology. But can you imagine how uncomfortable it is to write to the screen size for daily use?
If you feel laggy using notes on gingerbread flyer, please try to deactivate the keyboard while scribbling with null keyboard. You will feel the smoothness although writing rapidly. So, this is just software problems and not because of the hardware!
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I read that S Note using Wacom
I would skip HC in favor of ICS
dstrauss said:
I've watched a couple fo those demo videos of the Galaxy Note, and the Wacom inking support looks a lot like Tablet PC quality (smoothing, pressure, etc). I'm like most here though - 7" is about the bare minimum I would want to write on - but that Super Amoled screen is to die for...
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Actually, that is why I m becoming interested in GS Note..
But, it's just a video. Need to be tested by ourselves
I thank you all for your opinions... I think I will wait GS Note land in my country (it will be in November) and see it whether it is as good as advertized and in the meantime I will stick to my Flyer
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This may help. There is an hardware dissection on engadget of the Galaxy Note, "Behind the Glass"
Sorry to bring this back from the dead, but after much looking around on here the web, I haven't found anything that really answers this very question.
I was looking at the HTC Flyer to replace my rough sketchbook (nothing will really replace my pencil and paper for drawing stuff out, nor am I looking to replace my graphic tablet on my desktop, I'm just looking for something that I can hammer ideas out, thoughts on colour, etc) but after reading the various threads I'm now not so sure if that is a good choice.
There's been a fair bit of plugging for the Galaxy Note and it's S-Pen and wondering if anyone has any experience with both? Did the author for this every settle on a device?
I'm not too concerned about the lack of ICS support for the Flyer (although to be truthful I haven't had much Android experience so I don't really see how much lack of support will effect the device....although being a Windows Phone user from the get go has given me more than enough 'support issues'), nor am I looking to replace my phone.
The size for me would be an issue, but it's not as important as performance of the pen.
Pretty much everything I've read that actually talks about the pens (as opposed to other functions which hold no interest) mainly discuss writing, but I'm looking at this a purely drawing point of view. I've seen some examples of the sketches on the Flyer on a different thread and they looked pretty good, but if anyone could offer an informed opinion I'd really appreciate it, don't want to get lumbered with some half arsed device.
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When I last looked at HTC Flyer some months back, the pen was only working in dedicated applications. Does anybody know whether this has improved? Has anybody installed the inofficial Honeycomb and can report whether the pen now works in all applications?
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It works on hc in the sense that you can scroll, select buttons, move through home screens etc
When we get Android 4, it will be supported in all applications
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Thanks to both. I look for a device to take notes in meetings and the like. My preferred application is "FreeNote, note everything" from flyable, available in Android Market. Do you anticipate that the pen is recognized by FreeNote, prior to Android 4?
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Thanks to both. I look for a device to take notes in meetings and the like. My preferred application is "FreeNote, note everything" from flyable, available in Android Market. Do you anticipate that the pen is recognized by FreeNote, prior to Android 4?
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The pen does not work in those apps as now we are on Gingerbread. But it is supposed to work on the next Honeycomb update.
The pen works in all app if you update to HC
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The pen works in all app if you update to HC
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Well , kind of...
not because HC thinks its a pen, but because in the HTC HC ROM , the pen mimics your finger in apps that are not specifically HTC Pen enabled. For example in Freenote, the app thinks the pen is your finger and the pen has no more functions than if you use your finger or a capacitive stylus.
Also, ICS won't do anything magical with the pen unless the app is written to use it. ICS has some built-in pen (digital stylus) primitives, but they are not the same as HTCs SDK and don't just magically work. They will recognize the HTC stylus if a application is written to use them.
DigitalMD said:
Well , kind of...
not because HC thinks its a pen, but because in the HTC HC ROM , the pen mimics your finger in apps that are not specifically HTC Pen enabled. For example in Freenote, the app thinks the pen is your finger and the pen has no more functions than if you use your finger or a capacitive stylus.
Also, ICS won't do anything magical with the pen unless the app is written to use it. ICS has some built-in pen (digital stylus) primitives, but they are not the same as HTCs SDK and don't just magically work. They will recognize the HTC stylus if a application is written to use them.
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This is very helpful information, thanks. It seems you have first-hand experience with Freenote and Honeycomb. Could you share your experience in more detail?
* Is it possible to write in normal size (in Paint mode) at normal writing speed?
* Is it possible to rest the wrist on the tablet while writing with the stylus (i.e., the touch screen gets inactivated when the stylus is in use)?
I played with Freenote a bit on the Flyer Honeycomb, but I don't use it as my primary note taker. I use the HTC notes app which is a custom version of Evernote. It works well and syncs with Evernote in the cloud and on PC. and is specially modified to take advantage of the HTC stylus.
Freenote with the pen works just like it works using your finger to write draw etc. The pen is more accurate, but that's the only difference.
So do those of you that have the pen feel it is worth it?
And I would also like to know if this would be a viable note taking option although I doubt it would be
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So do those of you that have the pen feel it is worth it?
And I would also like to know if this would be a viable note taking option although I doubt it would be
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With the HC update its very beneficial using the scribe pen almost on every app and I only use the notes app which it helps me draw charts, ideas, and record meetings instantly
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So do those of you that have the pen feel it is worth it?
And I would also like to know if this would be a viable note taking option although I doubt it would be
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Yes.
Yes.
Now for the long answers. I have been a user of Windows tablet PC's for years, all but one with Wacom digitizers (N-Trig on the HP Slate 500). With the addition of Honeycomb and Quill, I now have a note taking machine every bit as good and readable as my high end HP 2740p (with the exceptions of no Onenote - not available for Android, and no direct handwriting recognition). AND it is smaller and almost as thin as the SCREEN on the hP 2740p. I'm not sure what process Quill is using for rendering the ink, but it is a smooth and legible as pen on paper. One caveat, I have the Wrapsol screen saver on my HTC Flyer - one, to protect the screen, but equally important to give an even better writing surface than bare glass.
I haven't battle tested it yet (long meeting, lots of notes) but so far it is better than any solution I've tried (heaven help you if you want to take notes on an iPad with a capacitive stylus). The screen, at 7" is a little cramped, but it is so small and light to carry it is a no brainer to take to meetings or taking notes at your desk. On the issue of handwriting recognition, I feel that is an over-sold concept even on the Windows platform where recognition is excellent - if you have that much to write - you should type. I prefer to save my notes as PDF and store in the files on the server for reference, just like a paper notebook. The incredible advantage of Onenote (please bring it to Android Mr. Ballmer) is that it indexes your notes without conversion, so you can search for any word in a handwritten note. I believe Evernote can do something similar, but have not yet tried it.
Anyway, this is the best $299 (now you can get them at times for $239) I've spent in a LONG TIME on computer gear.
Dstraus--I recognize you name from the old tablet pc days. I have used those and still do since the beginning. I have just got the stock ota update to honeycomb and am excited to try out quill. Also it seems pdf viewer from a quick look will be a pdf annotator type experience on androod---hope so at least
Hi all
I am the OP of this thread. Thanks for your advice. I have just bought a HTC Flyer and installed Freenote. Works great! Taking notes electronically is now truly feasible. I can only support the notion that a capacitative stylus is a no go for serious handwriting. I now also register this second copy of Freenote (the first stays on my larger 10" pad, no pen :-( on that).
One thing that I did not get to work: Editor | Stylus | "Electromagnetic pen only". I thought that the magic pen of the HTC Flyer is electromagnetic, but when switching this option on, neither finger touch nor pen is recognized.
PS to dstrauss: the device is in Switzerland clearly more expensive than $239; but a good investment nevertheless
Is there anything I can do to use HTC stylus pen on my HTC on m8 max. I mean anything, installing any app, hacking anything anything. you can reach me on [email protected]