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Listen, I understand how people are looking at KF and thinking - man, it's already rooted, has CWM and ROMS are but a minute away. Our NT is still locked down, and we're being told it may stay this way.
So naturally, being in your return period, you're thinking about switching boats to KF.
I have one word explaining why that's a real bad idea: SPECS.
Ok, say you have a KF running CM on it.
RAM - you have 512MB RAM. That's low, not enough for GB or ICS. No need arguing that GB will run on it - yes it will, but it'll never be as smooth as a 1GB RAM device. Android will keep closing apps to free up mem, that creates response lag.
Anybody who had an original SGS with GB on it knows - you just can't make an SGSII out of it, it will always lag here and there. Read engadget review - they are complaining about how laggy it is.
Memory - You've got 6GB memory. That's it. You'll never have any more. That means you'll constantly feel deprived of space - you can't load full HD movies to watch, you can't load your music collection on it. You'll constantly be sacrificing something.
Books/Media store - you only have access to Amazon media store, since B&N doesn't have a store you can install and use. On a NT, though, without any root we already can stream Amazon content, read Kindle books, and that's all with native support of everything B&N has to offer.
No MIC - forget about using your Fire with Google Voice. There's no mic. Also forget about recording yourself reading books to your kids, to use in case you're on vacation or something.
Amazon Cloud you say? Yes, but only where you have a good WiFi connection. As soon as you're out of range - the fun stops. Phone tethering you say? Those 2GB will disappear MEGA FAST if you stream to your KF.
Amazon videos you say? Sure, but remember - that ain't free. Pay Amazon Prime membership fee, then also pay for movies themselves. And again, only when on WiFi and you don't get to keep it.
On the other hand, consider this:
With NT, even without root, we already have a device that's:
Very snappy
Able to sideload apps
Able to run a different launcher
Able to run Opera browser - nice n fast
Able to run 720p videos in browser, full screen
Able to play almost any video up to full-HD 1080p BlueRay
Able to play AVI files with free third-party players (no need for conversion)
Has 33GB+ of memory with an added SD card. I've just loaded tons of movies, books, magazines and music on it, and still have space remaining
Will be able to be used as a phone with Google Voice
Run Amazon Market (some have reported that even older Android Market APK works)
Run both Amazon's and B&N's premium content.
Think about it. Yes, KF was hacked faster than our NT was, but in the end, we already have almost everything we need, AND we have a much more powerful device.
KF was quicker at the start, but it has almost depleted its potential as a modern Android tablet, considering what future versions of Android need. Our device still has tons of untapped potential.
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Engadget released a comparison between the two HERE.
Here are some interesting parts for the lazy:
Both tablets are a good size for one-handed reading, though the Nook edges out the Kindle here a bit, with its slightly lighter weight (14.1 ounces to the Fire's 14.6). The Nook's subtly convex back and plastic bezel make a bit easier to hold.
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Both devices rock 1GHz dual-core processors, but the Nook has an edge here, with its 1GB of RAM to the Fire's 512MB -- and certainly the difference is noticeable, even when booting up something as simple as a game like Angry Birds. Things are even more pronounced during video playback. We took Shutter Island for a spin via Netflix streaming on both devices, and it was really like night and day. Motion is far less choppy on the Barnes & Noble device. The HD playback on the Nook also picked up subtle imagery like patterns on ties, which were largely lost on the Fire.
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tl;dr version: PATIENCE!
+1 to NT and I repped you too!
oh wait..not SD. LOL
That is why everyone needs to pull their pants back up and wait.
It will be rooted.
I also voted this thread up!
How hard would it be for them to close the sideload loophole? The thing updates automatically, right? Obviously they are not going to be excited hearing about everyone using the Amazon store.
I agree the Fire is not a good alternative for exactly your reasons, but that doesn't necessarily mean that this is worth keeping if it turns out to be locked down tight.
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How hard would it be for them to close the sideload loophole? The thing updates automatically, right? Obviously they are not going to be excited hearing about everyone using the Amazon store.
I agree the Fire is not a good alternative for exactly your reasons, but that doesn't necessarily mean that this is worth keeping if it turns out to be locked down tight.
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In my opinion, a locked NT as it is right now is still much better than a KF running CM.
But given that they locked it down, don't you think it was a mistake/accident that they allowed apk installs through the browser? When they push the first update will that ability still be there?
DarkDvr, normally i would agree with you if the market only have two 7inch tablet to choose from (KF and NT). However this is not the case, we have tons of options in 7inch tablet market, and if B&N really is being an ass to lock down the NT, then people can choose other tablets that might fit their need better.
Last year when NC came out there was only two 7inch tablet (NC, and Samsung Tab), so we get a lot more developer support, and people are willing to be more patient, but this is no longer the case.
7inch tablets:
Nook Tablet
Kindle Fire
Samsung Tab (~$250 refurbished for 3g version, cheaper for wifi version)
Nook Color ($199)
Lenovo Idea Pad A1 (Cortext A8, 512mb ram, bluetooth, GPS, f/b camera, microsd slot, $199)
Acer Iconia Tab A100 (tegra 2, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, bluetooth, f/b camera, <$200 on BF)
Kobo Vox (Cortex A8, 512 ram, Gingerbread, MicroSd, $199)
Samsung Tab 7.0 Plus (Exynos dual core, 1gb ram, honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, $399)
Samsung Tab 7.7 (Exynos, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, 1280x800, price?)
HTC Flyer (1.5ghz, pen input, $299)
Dell Streak 7 Tablet (Tegra 2, 800x480, Honeycomb, f/b camera)
And those are only the major brands, there are other off brands like Archos, Velocity Micro, Coby, that i didn't include.
So to me, if B&N really want to piss off the community that help make their NC a success to began with, then I will vote with my wallet and let them know that it is not a good idea to piss off the people your loyal customer, and your first adopter for the NT.
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Don't get me wrong, I still have high hope for the NT, and i really like the NC/NT simple but elegant design. However if B&N really choose to lookdown the NT's bootloader (which the dev community haven't conclusively proven yet), then i really don't want to buy a product from a company that chooses to piss off it's loyal customers.
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7inch tablets:
Nook Tablet
Kindle Fire
Samsung Tab (~$250 refurbished for 3g version, cheaper for wifi version)
Nook Color ($199)
Lenovo Idea Pad A1 (Cortext A8, 512mb ram, bluetooth, GPS, f/b camera, microsd slot, $199)
Acer Iconia Tab A100 (tegra 2, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, bluetooth, f/b camera, <$200 on BF)
Kobo Vox (Cortex A8, 512 ram, Gingerbread, MicroSd, $199)
Samsung Tab 7.0 Plus (Exynos dual core, 1gb ram, honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, $399)
Samsung Tab 7.7 (Exynos, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, 1280x800, price?)
HTC Flyer (1.5ghz, pen input, $299)
Dell Streak 7 Tablet (Tegra 2, 800x480, Honeycomb, f/b camera)
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True, I definitely think that locking NT was a huge mistake that B&N will pay for, but for some of us NT IS the best option.
Samsung Tab - 10 inch heavy shovel - screw that
NC - too weak and laggy, even after mods
Lenovo - 512 RAM, weak
Acer Iconia - I see $330+ price even for 8GB version
Kobo Vox - 512 RAM and don't trust that brand
Samsung Tab 7.0 Plus - 400+tax for a tablet is overpriced
Samsung Tab 7.7 - even more expensive?
HTC Flyer - slow and laggy, overpriced since day 1
Dell Streak - slow and laggy, low res screen
What I'm saying is that when you, like me, are in the market for a cheap tablet, there's only 2 good options - NT and KF. Rest of them are either overpriced as a device (going into netbook or UP category, where they just can't compete) or some shady brands.
At least that's my thinking.
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Don't get me wrong, I still have high hope for the NT, and i really like the NC/NT simple but elegant design. However if B&N really choose to lookdown the NT's bootloader (which the dev community haven't conclusively proven yet), then i really don't want to buy a product from a company that chooses to piss off it's loyal customers.
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Agreed, and given a choice, I'd always go for a company that doesn't insult my intelligence and doesn't treat its customers as morons. However, I have full faith in XDA community and still believe this will get hacked. And when it does, I'll be pointing finger at KF and laughing maniacally.
Depending on the weather here on the forum in the next 12 days, B&N may be losing my $260 to a Samsung G 7+ (maybe even a KF if I'm feeling crazy). Or just wait a few months see what turns up after Christmas.
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So to me, if B&N really want to piss off the community that help make their NC a success to began with, then I will vote with my wallet and let them know that it is not a good idea to piss off the people your loyal customer, and your first adopter for the NT.
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I saw a quote linked somewhere here recently from someone from B&N and they said something about 3% of NC coming from modders. I don't know how accurate or guesstimated that number was, but we shouldn't forget that they sell millions of these devices to normal consumers and there are only thousands of us. I'd like to think they keep people like us in mind, but we certainly aren't they primary market by a long shot.
I agree that there are lots of other options, but it's disheartening when none seem to have the build quality and specs in the same price range as the Nook models, excluding BF sales that might be hard to get. The IdeaPad looks intriguing at first glance but is the same basic hardware as the year-old NC and with a worse screen (and eww: the $200 version has 2GB storage that probably won't ever fit ICS). Acer A100 looks nice but also has a cheaper screen and a small battery.
DarkDvr while i am like you, think that the NT might be the best fit for my use case also. But with so many choices out there, i think our dev and support community won't be anywhere near the same as it was with NC. Plus with the bone headed move on B&N part, i don't see many true devotee sticking to the NT like yourself. And that is the ultimate problem, without a strong dev community, the NT most likely won't get all the goodies like CM7/CM9, which is what made the NC awesome.
By the way the Samsung Tab i was referring to earlier is the 7inch model, the same one that came out right before NC. Both are rocking Cortex-A8 processor.
I am honestly VERY happy with the status of my KT right now. As it stands, with a launcher, widgetlocker app and all the other sideloaded apps I wanted I have everything i wanted.
I dont care if I lose amazon marketplace support, because honestly I can find any apk I want all amazon does is give me a way to read reviews (which i can through the browser + android market)
the only thing, and trust me it is a HUGE thing, i am terrified of is that come day 15 or 16 or even 30, B&N releases a firmware update i cannot click 'no' to and it updates my nook and closes the hole we've been using. I dont know if its possible, but I reckon it is and that would make me a very sad camper since stock, this thing is a total piece of **** software wise (nook market is worthless), i bought a tablet, not an ereader.
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I saw a quote linked somewhere here recently from someone from B&N and they said something about 3% of NC coming from modders. I don't know how accurate or guesstimated that number was, but we shouldn't forget that they sell millions of these devices to normal consumers and there are only thousands of us. I'd like to think they keep people like us in mind, but we certainly aren't they primary market by a long shot.
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Boomn i think you underestimate the word of mouth, and unofficial advertisement B&N get from the modder community. Every few weeks there is a story on Engadget, Liliputing or Gizmodo about how great the NC community is, and the release of the a popular Rom for the NC. Or how most of the highly rated reviews on B&N, Amazon, BB are from modder who brought the NC to use as a tablet. So while we as a community might be small, but our influences on "Normal" people's purchase decision are much higher than B&N thinks.
And if B&N think that they can piss off the dev community, while taking on Amazon, and all the other 7inch tablet maker out there, and still make the NT a commercial success, they might be in for huge disappointment. Just look at how many of the NT and KF review out there mention rooting or app side-loading as part of the official review, and how much negative PR B&N got from the 1GB storage limitation on the review sites.
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Because I live in Italy I'll receive my NT only on 26Nov. (if I will lucky), so no give back option for me
So.. I really, really hope that a hack will be found. Just the root will be enough for me
With the root we'll be able to run custom recovery, trow away what we don't need and add what is missing (settings, etc).
BTW for me realease the source and lock the bootloader is a nonsense!
First post.
I'm a full-time iOS developer with about 6 iOS devices on my desk right now. I really like iOS and love developing for it. Having said that....
I picked up a Kindle (e-ink) about a year ago and then switched to a Nook Simple Touch the day they were released. I've been watching the KF/NT release with great interest.
I eventually decided on the Nook Tablet and stumbled across this site the day I got it (the 16th). I have been blown away by the things you people have accomplished in just a couple of days and I've had a blast watching the hour-by-hour discoveries.
My main reason for getting the NT was as a reader and everything you folks are doing is icing on the cake. Very nice icing!
I'm also very optimistic that breakthroughs will continue even if the pace slows a bit. For me the KF is just too restricted in capability--even it if can be rooted.
As an aside, I also have access to a handful of Android devices including a 10.1 Galaxy Tab, and a Lenovo Ideapad K1 (it helps when the company is buying), but I prefer the Nook Tablet to either.
As long as I can keep side-loading apps I'll be happy. I certainly understand the sentiments of those not wanting to reward B&N for what appears to be a snub. At the same time as long as they continue to allow me some method to get a few more apps on the device I'm good with it.
It's been my experience that once I get a device setup--either iOS or Android--I really only end up using a handful of apps (after trying dozens)--but I want them to be very good apps that *I* get to choose.
Thank you to you all!
This thread should not exist, has nothing to do with android development and sounds more like a sales pitch than anything.
I get it you prefer the NT, me too but this thread is pointless and should be deleted...
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Boomn i think you underestimate the word of mouth, and unofficial advertisement B&N get from the modder community. Every few weeks there is a story on Engadget, Liliputing or Gizmodo about how great the NC community is, and the release of the a popular Rom for the NC. Or how most of the highly rated reviews on B&N, Amazon, BB are from modder who brought the NC to use as a tablet. So while we as a community might be small, but our influences on "Normal" people's purchase decision are much higher than B&N thinks.
And if B&N think that they can piss off the dev community, while taking on Amazon, and all the other 7inch tablet maker out there, and still make the NT a commercial success, they might be in for huge disappointment. Just look at how many of the NT and KF review out there mention rooting or app side-loading as part of the official review, and how much negative PR B&N got from the 1GB storage limitation on the review sites.
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Good point, we are certainly a vocal and influential bunch. However lots of those "normal" consumers would never check any place like Engadget for any review and have probably never heard of it. Mentions of modding/hacking/flashing in online store reviews go right over lots of people's heads too. Amazon and B&N are going to sell a ton of their tablets through physical stores like Walmart, Target, BestBuy, etc where most people still shop too. I agree that we probably do have more influence than just 3%... and now I'm not even sure where I was going with this point, lol
notinterested said:
This thread should not exist, has nothing to do with android development and sounds more like a sales pitch than anything.
I get it you prefer the NT, me too but this thread is pointless and should be deleted...
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This is the general forum for the NT not the development forum. Calm down.
Knuxr said:
This is the general forum for the NT not the development forum. Calm down.
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My mistake, was on the wrong tab.
Still though, pointless thread is pointless. We all know the better device.
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My mistake, was on the wrong tab.
Still though, pointless thread is pointless. We all know the better device.
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I completely agree with that, but this thread serves as a reminder why it is still better than the Fire, to those that might not know.
notinterested said:
This thread should not exist, has nothing to do with android development and sounds more like a sales pitch than anything.
I get it you prefer the NT, me too but this thread is pointless and should be deleted...
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...Excuse me?
Forgive me for not appreciating your "experience" on XDA since, omg, feb 2010, but this is a General NT forum, and this thread is very much important to people who are right now at a tipping point between NT and KF, considering the latest root news for both devices.
So drink some coolaid and move along, kid.
I'm trying, (probably lot many people) to decide between the current dual core tabs and the quad core.
I will be using this tablet for most anything you can use a tablet for - lots of art applications, streaming movies and music (flash required), some sort of g-sensor/accelerometer, and bluetooth, as I already have a good bluetooth keyboard that pairs nicely with my Android Phone.
I currently own the Acer A500 but I'm still within my return period. I'm strongly leaning towards returning it and getting a quad-core tab but I like the features such as the full size usb port and I want to be able to use that for an external HD for movies, music, etc. Of course, a lot of web surfing will be included. I will be using it for some office features but mostly through Google Docs, as that's what I use on my current mini-notebook (which I'll probably get rid of once I have the tablet decided on for sure). Price is a thought but I want a 10" inch screen and front facing camera so I can use internet video chat, etc. which I think means I'm in the $500 dollar general price range.
I find the Asus Prime intriguing but I'd like to have a USB port without having to have the dock to get it. I read somewhere about either Toshiba or Lenovo coming out with a quad-core with full size usb but I can't find the release date on it now. I'm willing to wait a bit, but also know there is always something better around the corner and at some point I need to just pull the trigger as they say. Some people want to know about basic computer literacy...I'm comfortable with Android and some basic rooting etc - have had an Android phone for 2 years and followed the development closely for some time prior to that. I've rooted my phone & my husband's from about the first week we had them. In addition, I used to run a triple boot laptop with two linux distros and a Windows install so I'm fairly comfortable with the ins and out of doing something like that.
I guess my questions are, has anyone heard of any release dates for quad-core tabs beyond the Asus Prime? Are there any other tabs that you'd say "forget the quad core and go for... instead?" Any info on release dates (other than the general sometime in 2012 would be uber cool to hear).
Oh, I'll also be using it in the hospital quite a bit with multiple surgeries coming up and digital magazines and e-books are definitely part of what I'll be using it for.
Thanks so much in advance! I look forward to your advice!!
Rae
You DEFINITELY don't need a quad-core phone if you are mostly looking for reading books and watching movies.
Look for tablets with extended battery life (larger batteries).
Also you might want to take a look at eReaders on which CyanogenMod has been ported, allowing you to run Android on devices with awesome displays for extended reading.
GoodLUCK!
Ainol Elf II. 'Nuff said.
Hello folks,
I have a question regarding the Nook tablet. I was making a delivery to a customer this morning and he has a Nook 16GBTablet. We got to talking and he indicated that he was going to sell it since his wife didn't use it. It looks like new physically and I am considering obtaining it for one of my grandsons, basically so I can get my Nook Color with CM7.2 on it back from him. Is the Nook Tablet a worthwhile barter or would something else be better? I bought a Samsung Tab2 7" tablet for a younger grandson a couple of weeks ago and he really likes it, But I don't think I can get a deal like I got for the Samsung. I only gave $169 for it new, still sealed in the box and I doubt I will find another deal like that as I'm pretty sure the fella sold it to me for less than he paid for it. I'm getting off track here, what I need to know is if the Nook Tablet is even a worthwhile Andriod tablet or would I be better off waiting a bit for the new, different brand tablets to come out?
Check swappa.com and see the prices for the tablets. Maybe you get to catch a good deal, I bought my Samsung captivate there and loving it. The nook is worth it in my opinion and the deal breaker is the sdcard slot . Nexus 7 temps me but no sdcard slot no way I buy it, anyways for what I do the nook tablet is enough. Tho I know kids love games and probably that is what they do in their tablets more than anything and the nook does a decent job with kids games, heavy games not that good.
Tablets with Tegra 2 chip is gamers glory and with dual/quad cores is a dream but your budget is not enough.
Good luck!
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The nexus 7 is ( in my humble opinion ) the product of the year. The other major producers were surprised and knocked back on their butt. Now they have to answer back with something equal or better. Then there is the argument that it is 'not' just the product but the 'exosphere' along with the product. Lastly, the Nook is a fine performing tablet.
The Nook Tablet, was made to be a reader, but the xda community saw it to having more potential then BN wanted it to. The Nook Tablet has gone far from becoming a full-fledged reader into a usable, 7-inch Android tablet wonder. The Nook was at the bottom along with it's brother in technology, the Kindle Fire, as it was a reader, but it has pushed to the top, and now is one of the most popular tablets out there. I have a Nexus 7 myself, and it is amazing, but was at the top from when it was born. The Nook, and the great devs of this forum, had to work it up there, while BN did not help even once, except for the kernel. We even have our own nearly working kernel, thanks to Rebellos, Chris, and Kuzma. We have succeeded in reaching the latest Google experience, Jelly Bean AKA Android 4.1, and the devs hope to keep working and catching up with Google. As the problems slide off the radar, more devs have appeared. The Nook may not be a Nexus 7, but it sure damn does the job like it.
From what I've heard/read/seen I could make such list of tablets in this class, from best to slighty worse
1) Nexus7
2) Nook Tablet
3) Kindle Fire (note this has got better Android support than NookTab for now <points at Hashcode>)
4) Nook Color
There are for sure others, but I don't know others.
Also, if you want to use it as overpowered Android device someday - get 16GB version, it has got 1GB of RAM, while 8GB ver got 512MB of RAM and it might be not enough for some games, more browser tabs, etc.
Thanks for the opinions.
If I and the owner decide to work out a barter I may do the deal. Cash purchases are not many, but I do quite a bit of bartering and it is a 16GB Tablet. Have a 14 almost 15 year old grandson that could make good use of it I believe. Don't know how savvy he would be to rooting the Nook though he is really good with computers, he fixes all my messups.
When the reboot bug gets squashed expect lovely things coming along.
I get 1.9Mpixel/sec on this test on default clocks.
http://www.ziilabs.com/products/software/mandelmark.php
0.1Mpixel/sec more than Galaxy nexus o.o
Imagine 2x1.2ghz and gpu from 308mhz to 384mhz that can be easily be achieved without any problems as our platform 2.3ES defaults to 1.2ghz.
Is not implemented yet because of the 1st priority is to fix that reboot bug!
Also new drivers for graphic card are release from ti DDK1.9 i guess more speed will be possible also with them implemented
http://www.omapzoom.org/?p=device/t...it;h=ad17249821001789f159a5d5c542302e5f38cd2e
When our developers finish with this board you will have nothing to be jealous from Nexus7.
You would be able to play anything you throw at it
Edit: 2.2 Mpixels/sec on DDK1.9
from the press release- new 7" and a 9"- the OS is upgraded to a custom android 4.0 version....hopefully the original nook tablets will get this upgrade so we can figure out the random reboot etc problems
7" 199for 8gig 229 for 16gig- 243ppi 1440x900 reso
9" 269 for 16gig and 299 for 32gig 253ppi @1920x1280 reso
http://www.barnesandnobleinc.com/press_releases/9_26_12_nook_hd_us.html
09/26/2012
Barnes & Noble Launches NOOK® HD and NOOK HD+, Lightest and Highest-Resolution 7-Inch HD Tablet and World’s Lightest Full HD Tablet
Incredible Reading and Entertainment Like Never Seen Before on 7- and 9-Inch Tablets
Designed for Both Personal Use and the Whole Family to Share – Like Having Multiple Devices in One
NOOK HD Offers World’s Highest Resolution Display Ever on a 7-Inch Media Tablet Starting at Only $199
NOOK HD+ is Lightest, Lowest-Priced Full HD Tablet Ever Starting at Only $269
Unbeatable Values for Top Quality Tablets and No Distracting Ads Coming to the US and UK This Fall; Pre-Order Starting Today at NOOK.com and Barnes & Noble Stores
New York, New York – September 26, 2012 – Barnes & Noble, Inc. (NYSE: BKS), the leading retailer of content, digital media and educational products, today introduced NOOK HD and NOOK HD+, the lightest HD and full HD tablets. The super-fast and lightweight 7-inch NOOK HD and 9-inch NOOK HD+ feature must-see displays for superior reading and entertainment and an instantly personalized tablet experience for each family member. In fact, NOOK HD boasts the world’s highest-resolution ever on a 7-inch tablet and NOOK HD+ rivals the industry-leading tablet’s display. Starting at the low prices of $199 for NOOK HD and $269 for NOOK HD+, nearly half the cost of the leading large-format tablet, both products deliver an amazing value for customers, with no annoying ads. With more than three million books, a large selection of magazines and apps, and now with newly launched NOOK Video™ and NOOK Catalog™ content, NOOK HD and NOOK HD+ offer virtually endless reading and entertainment at customers’ fingertips. Both are available for pre-order at www.nook.com and Barnes & Noble stores for customers to enjoy beginning in early November.
The fantastic new 7-inch NOOK HD and 9-inch NOOK HD+ are packed with favorite tablet features that the whole family will love:
run a customized android 4.0
Wow, nice.
You be honest, after Microsoft pumped all that money into the nook platform at the beginning of the year, I seriously expected them to be running Win 8. Glad to see them sticking with Android.
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The "real" technical spec please. . Or do we have to wait ? . ( i went looking all over their website . . . )
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I wonder if they've gotten over being "terminally stupid" ?
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I read here it has bluetooth. http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/26/nook-hd-whats-changed/ . . I cannot double validate this blip !
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Here they talk about the cpu. . . http://www.anandtech.com/show/4413/...pecs-powervr-sgx544-18-ghz-dual-core-cortexa9
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The "real" technical spec please. . Or do we have to wait ? . ( i went looking all over their website . . . )
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I wonder if they've gotten over being "terminally stupid" ?
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I read here it has bluetooth. http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/26/nook-hd-whats-changed/
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Hopefully this means the Tablet will get bumped to ICS shortly after they ship these, though they may not to encourage sales of the new tablets (I know I won't buy a new one if the old one gets ICS).
Not interested considering how locked down they made the nook tablet. Still very happy with my 16gb, thanks to the awesome devs here
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Not interested considering how locked down they made the nook tablet. Still very happy with my 16gb, thanks to the awesome devs here
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That was my feeling. Sideloading? Probably not.
Unless of course you root the thing.
It would be nice for BN to make a tablet that's useful without rooting.
Love my Nook Simple touch for reading.
Well Let me tell you something based on this:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4413/...pecs-powervr-sgx544-18-ghz-dual-core-cortexa9
1.Two ARM Cortex A9 MPCores @ 1.8GHz per core Nice but they compare it 1GHZ not 1.2GHZ that we can have
2.Two ARM Cortex-M3 cores We have those also!
3.SGX544 GFX Core running at 384 MHz (If you Read: TI OMAP 4xxx SoC GPU Comparison it states PowerVR SGX540 also is capable to go to 384 MHz) I want to be clear SGX544 is a better GPU but 540 can play anything you throw at it currently speaking.
4.Hardware composition engine with dedicated 2D graphics core. We have those also!
5.Display subsystem. what to do it when you dont have hdmi out.
6.Dual-channel, 466 MHz LPDDR2 memory. We have Dual-channel, 400 MHz LPDDR2 memory and i bet if we give it some more volts we can reach those 66mhz or maybe 33mhz in worse case.
7.Complete pin-to-pin hardware and software compatibility. Anyone with a hot air station and a faulty NT HD?
http://www.techhive.com/article/2010597/barnes-and-noble-nook-hd-tablet-elevates-the-game.html
Will give you more info about the device. Such as
Barnes & Noble joins the high-definition tablet party and does so in style with the introduction of a pair of new tablets, the 7-inch Nook HD and the 9-inch Nook HD+. With an emphasis on display quality, usability, and lighter weight—at surprisingly competitive prices—Barnes & Noble's 2012 tablets help the company maintain, and expand on, its value tablet history. Both tablets are due out at the end of October, with prices starting at $199 for the 8GB Nook HD, and going to $269 for the Nook HD+.
I spent some quality time with both tablets, and came away with a first-hand perspective on how the two compare to one another and to their increasingly crowded competitive set. It's important to note up front that, like Amazon, Barnes & Noble uses a custom Android build. This means that you're locked into loading apps from the Barnes & Noble app store, rather than from Google Play. And it means that the tablet lacks both Google certification and the Google services that go along with certification (such as the Gmail app, Google Maps, and apps like YouTube, Google Books, or Google Video). Furthermore, Barnes & Noble chose to skip integrated GPS or cameras; Amazon, at least, offers a front-facing camera on the Kindle Fire HD (but not a rear camera).
None of that may matter in the end, if all you want to do is read, browse the Web, do e-mail, or watch videos. In fact, this is why Barnes & Noble made the choices it did as to what to include and what to exclude. An internal survey of tablet owners by Barnes & Noble showed that 75 percent used the tablet for reading, with the next most popular activities being Web browsing, social networking, email, and video, in that order.
The Nook HD—$199 with 8GB, $249 with 16GB—picks up on the foundation set by the current Nook Tablet, which will stay in the market at $179 for an 8GB model. Clearly, Nook HD targets Amazon's Kindle Fire HD and Google's Nexus 7 tablet, as well as any fabled and future Apple 7-inch class tablet to come. Meanwhile, the Nook HD+, with its larger display, aims at standard Android tablets, at Amazon's Kindle Fire HD 8.9, and at Apple's iPad. The HD+ is available in two versions: 16GB for $269, and 32GB for $349.
Massive resolution
The Nook HD has a stunning resolution for its size: 1440 by 900 pixels, which works out to 243 pixels per inch. If this sounds like an unusual resolution, that's because it is: Barnes & Noble went to display makers and dictated the spec it wanted, rather than simply accepting what was on offer.
The result of this innovation looks amazing: Text was smooth on books as well as the general navigation screens, and images looked terrific, with impressive color balance and detail.
As with its predecessor, contrast appeared strong, and glare was minimal since Barnes & Noble uses optical bonding on its displays, as it has since the introduction of the Nook Color nearly two years ago.
The Nook HD+ doesn't push the resolution bar in the same way, though. The 9-inch display carries a 1920-by-1280-pixel resolution, which works out to 256 ppi—practically the same as on the 8.9-inch Kindle Fire HD 8.9, and just shy of the Apple iPad's 264 ppi. Barnes & Noble says it chose the 9-inch display for its 3:2 aspect ratio, which the company describes as “perfect” for use with magazines and books.
Inside the tablets
Both tablets have Wi-Fi, and both add Bluetooth this time around, a notable omission from the original Nook Tablet. Both will also have an HDMI dongle available to connect to the tablet's new 30-pin dock connector; while I prefer integrated HDMI instead of an extra-cost dongle, at least the dongle has a full-size HDMI port, and not a Mini- or Micro-HDMI port that could require an extra cable.
Inside, the tablets each have Texas Instruments' dual-core OMAP 4470 processor. The Nook HD's processor runs at 1.3GHz; the CPU in the Nook HD+ runs at 1.5GHz.
The tablets have a microSD card slot that supports up to 64GB of storage; and unlike the previous model, all the space on the memory card can indeed be used to store your own content. Both tablets include the proprietary charger in the box. Additional chargers cost $20.
Where Nook HD fits
The new Nook HD and Nook HD+ are set to pose a challenge not only to their obvious Amazon Kindle Fire HD competition, but to all tablets. These well-designed models feature innovative design, and have some interesting interoperability plays through Barnes & Noble's new Video Store offering. Each of these tablets is backed by attractive pricing, a strong feature set, and a high-performance display. Traits that make them well-positioned to attract shoppers' attention this holiday season. The $269 Nook HD+ is the best value, and is a particularly intriguing proposition for consumers who are willing to stray from the Apple iPad juggernaut.
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i might get the 16gig hd tablet.
IF they kept the same bootchain that the NT currently have, rooting should be a snap.
lenardo said:
i might get the 16gig hd tablet.
IF they kept the same bootchain that the NT currently have, rooting should be a snap.
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huh ? ? ?
In my humble opinion, ( what they did in the first NT ) a "locked and signed boot loader" is the MOST nastiest thing a company can do. . I believe it shows that they think that the dev community as the enemy. . So that makes mr. william lynch a first class ass in my book. . . So the one hundred ninety nine dollar question is, will the NT HD have the same nastiness ? ? ? . . My guess is yes... probably worse.
While I absolutely agree that locking the bootloader on the open platform is a nasty thing to do, especially when you didn't develop the platform yourself. From looking at the Nook UI, I think they at least spend a lot of time polish that. Maybe I wouldn't mind using it even if the BL is locked as long as gaining root and sideloading and install GAPPS can be done painlessly and assuming Nook will continue devloping it platform and roll out update in a timely manner.
Won't waste my time on another nook although glad they keeping micro sd slots
I got cm9 no issues, and hopefully we can cm10 soon also. Ilk stick witg my 16gb tablet. If I need a new one ill get a nexus (might do the same for phone this year) or a transformer. You can get a really good tablet around the same price these days.
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You can get the older Tegra 2 powered ASUS Transformer TF101 for about $230-$250 the newer models all cost $400+ tho without the doc but factor in the dock at about $99 and the price goes up quite a bit out of the range of these things.
While the specs sound good but not sure it's worth it. I think the original NT 16g is just as good. I'm running CM10 with few SOD. Battery drain is still bad but I just plug it in at night.
Nikkiel
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NikkieL said:
While the specs sound good but not sure it's worth it. I think the original NT 16g is just as good. I'm running CM10 with few SOD. Battery drain is still bad but I just plug it in at night.
Nikkiel
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Agreed. . If you upgrade, you go from a 'good' screen to a 'very good' screen and then you get bluetooth. . And then that's it ! ! !
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I think they should have tossed in a front facing camera ( for skype ) and a functional ( real OTG stuff ) usb . . .
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I cringe at what ( damn crap ) they're gonna put into the boot loader.
Yeah the new ones are running Ompa 4470s while the current crop run 4430s so not a large boost in cpu but they are adding a larger screen an OS upgrade and bluetooth for about the same price as the current nook tablets. So they are basically refreshes to the current hardware. I may pick up the kindle now that they have front facing cameras becuase that would be helpful to stay in touch with people. But at the moment I need a new PC ontop of which we will be moving in the next couple of months so money is tied up in that plus I may switch from boost mobile to T-Mobiles new unlimted 4g plan for $30. so that going to need a different phone then what I have so money is just really tight right now to upgrade the tablet. My current tablet works perfectly fine with me I just wish the screen was bigger at around 8.9 inches like the new Nook Tablets HD+ and Kindle Fire HD+s are.
4470 is way better than 4430. It has a way better GPU also. I think b&n choose wise on cpu`s this time. But it seems new crop comes with way more secure boot loaders.
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Perhaps this all boils down to a generation barrier. I can't imagine why someone felt a lock bootloader was necessary to protect their advertising interest. Isn't it better to be the best and let the customer come flocking to your door?
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huh ? ? ?
In my humble opinion, ( what they did in the first NT ) a "locked and signed boot loader" is the MOST nastiest thing a company can do. . I believe it shows that they think that the dev community as the enemy. . So that makes mr. william lynch a first class ass in my book. . . So the one hundred ninety nine dollar question is, will the NT HD have the same nastiness ? ? ? . . My guess is yes... probably worse.
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Repost from B&N Community forum-
I own a Nook Table 16G and have gone through the agony of losing app sideloading when OS was upgraded over the air. I finally moved to CM7 SD version and started seeing the light. If not for CM7, I wouldn't have been able to download from Google Play many apps which are still not yet available in Nook Store after almost a year. I've never missed Nook OS and its built-in apps.
I will not invest another dime to B&N's device before I know for sure that: (1) I can root it and block update OTA completely, and/or (2) I can SD boot it into a full Android device.
By the way, I'm proud to say that throughout my 10-month ownership of Nook Tablet, I haven't spend my money buying any B&N product (books included) - as my boycott to B&N. Sorry, B&N!
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I am in the market for an android tablet but seeing as times are hard I can only really stretch to one of the following two models...
Sumvision Cyclone Voyager 7"
B&N Nook HD
Please can someone list the pro's and con's for each device bearing in mind that I enjoy tinkering with custom ROMs and the such but ultimately would like to end up with a tablet that works well for general day to day browsing, YouTube and a little gaming.
Thanks in advance!
PS. If this is posted in the wrong location then I am very sorry, and hopefully one of the mods can move it for me!
Check out the specs on Hisense Sero 7. It compares well with the original Nexus7 and cost around $130 at Walmart.
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I suggest you to buy tablets with screen bigger then 8", I think 7" is to small, is more like a big phone not a tablet.
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I suggest you buy PIPO M8Pro.
I would like you to wait for few more months..........it is because, in a few months, the market will be flooded with highly powerful, low cost MediaTek Quad-Core MT8135 - specially designed for tablets. This is set to change the market. Even the upcoming kindle will use it.
Best buy = 7+ inch HD display, MT8135 Quad core processor, 2GB RAM @ around 120-150$ !
MediaTek, with its new MT8135, among the first SoC designers to have adopted the ground-breaking big.LITTLE processing technology which is designed to address the energy and thermal issues associated with multicore system-on-chip (SoC) solutions. ARM big.LITTLE technology enables the creation of dual-cluster SoCs, with one high-performance (big) cluster for processing intensive tasks and a highly energy-efficient (LITTLE) cluster for executing routine functions.
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thedroidone said:
I suggest you to buy tablets with screen bigger then 8", I think 7" is to small, is more like a big phone not a tablet.
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but if screen size is bigger than 8", it is inconvenient to carry.