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Just wondering why this has happened? Is it safe to use still?
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Stable screen off Setting for v 3.0.0 Jefrey.
I just found out the stable setting, for screen off. Don't use clock speed 500 or less when screen off.
Looks like another case of no source so in violation of the GPL
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Looks like another case of no source so in violation of the GPL
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This. Maybe you should read the last page of the thread next time.
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Just wondering why this has happened? Is it safe to use still?
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Because four different people (five if you include myself) asked for the source code at various points over the last week and have had no response nor source code, despite the author responding in the thread to other questions.
Or, read the mod edit in the first post that explains the thread is closed pending investigation. Add that to my post on the last page of the thread and it doesn't take a genius to put two and two together and come up with four. In fact, anyone barely capable of sitting next to a box of matches without managing to spontaneously combust should be able to figure those cryptic clues out.
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I just found out the stable setting, for screen off. Don't use clock speed 500 or less when screen off.
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Er, that kernel is badly broken if you can't use 500 or less with screen off. My phone sits nicely at 200-500 screen off using conservative.
What you're running with there is a kernel that's obviously incapable of running your phone at stock speeds. There is no need for your "EUREKA!" moment. It isn't a eureka moment. It's a "oh no, this kernel is ****" moment. You wouldn't accept a car that wouldn't idle below 5000rpm without exploding in a big heap, so why are you recommending to people "Run your phone higher than 500MHz in sleep hurr hurr" instead of "OMG guys this is terrible, use something, ANYTHING else, immediately!"
Occams Razor, obviously the simplest solution is often the best. Unless you're too simple to figure out that a phone should be able to run at all of its stock frequencies.
Just another jerk that thinks he's above the GPL. Perm ban imho. Nice post Hacre, I'm happy to provide matches for people to play with on the proviso they burn their XDA forum clicking hand.
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@Hacre, @asgard: If the GPL has been violated then clearly this needs to be remedied and indeed this is a reasonable reason to close the thread whilst there is an investigation - all good stuff.
But, you do rather come across like vigilanties with pitch-forks going out to kill an old lady with warts! (To paraphrase Blackadder.) The fact is that he's (assuming he) has produced a kernel that is both fast and has excellent battery life. Yes, it may also have a key logger embedded or other nasties - we don't know, but that's the point of an investigation, right? So, may I propose applying the "innocent until proven guilty" principle here instead of the "feed him to the sharks!" and in the meantime simply stating the facts as known which is that he is suspected of being in violation of the GPL and therefore his post has been suspended pending further investigation?
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@Hacre, @asgard: If the GPL has been violated then clearly this needs to be remedied and indeed this is a reasonable reason to close the thread whilst there is an investigation - all good stuff.
But, you do rather come across like vigilanties with pitch-forks going out to kill an old lady with warts! (To paraphrase Blackadder.) The fact is that he's (assuming he) has produced a kernel that is both fast and has excellent battery life. Yes, it may also have a key logger embedded or other nasties - we don't know, but that's the point of an investigation, right? So, may I propose applying the "innocent until proven guilty" principle here instead of the "feed him to the sharks!" and in the meantime simply stating the facts as known which is that he is suspected of being in violation of the GPL and therefore his post has been suspended pending further investigation?
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Given how much **** I went through to even get XDA to acknowledge the GPL much less enforce that it's adhered to, no, I don't think it's being unreasonable at all.
Unreasonable would be to demand that the thread be closed/deleted and the thread starter be banned the moment it's noticed they've posted a kernel without source code. Did anybody do this? No. The author was asked several times by different people over at least a timespan of a week for the sources to be posted (mine are up to date on the github link in my signature before the kernel is even posted here) and those requests went ignored, while the author continued to post in the thread.
The fact that the thread is -still- closed indicates he -still- hasn't produced the source code, as that is all that is required for the mods to reopen the thread.
So given all the facts you have available do you still think that myself and others have been unreasonable? Really?
Everyone else plays by the rules, so should he. The fact that you're trying to white knight for someone who obviously didn't give a **** about the GPL or the spirit of it, is beggar's belief.
Oh and incidentally, if I'm coming across as a vigilante, good. As an FSF member and a kernel developer I've every right to get pissed when people **** on the GPL. If you think this is unreasonable then you'd be amazed what legal rights the copyright holders of the kernel have should the GPL be breached, up to and including making sure the author can never distribute anything to do with the Linux kernel again. He got off lightly.
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Given how much **** I went through to even get XDA to acknowledge the GPL much less enforce that it's adhered to, no, I don't think it's being unreasonable at all.
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Yes, but you don't need to force your own frustrations down other people's throats.
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Unreasonable would be to demand that the thread be closed/deleted and the thread starter be banned the moment it's noticed they've posted a kernel without source code.
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Yes, I agree: that would be unreasonable.
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Did anybody do this? No. The author was asked several times by different people over at least a timespan of a week for the sources to be posted (mine are up to date on the github link in my signature before the kernel is even posted here) and those requests went ignored, while the author continued to post in the thread.
The fact that the thread is -still- closed indicates he -still- hasn't produced the source code, as that is all that is required for the mods to reopen the thread.
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That would be a reasonable assumption.
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So given all the facts you have available do you still think that myself and others have been unreasonable? Really?
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Of course. I wouldn't have posted otherwise.
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Everyone else plays by the rules, so should he.
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Correct - hence the investiation.
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The fact that you're trying to white knight for someone who obviously didn't give a **** about the GPL or the spirit of it, is beggar's belief.
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Your logic is flawed. The fact that I disagree with you does not make me the enemy, nor does it mean I agree with the author of jeffrey-speedfrey. I am on the side of perspective.
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Oh and incidentally, if I'm coming across as a vigilante, good. As an FSF member and a kernel developer I've every right to get pissed when people **** on the GPL.
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Sure. I agree it's not good. But assuming guilt is worse IMHO.
It looks like the kernel is still safe to use as the mod did not block off the download links. From what I can gather, the dev either doesn't know how to release source on github or chooses not to release them. The work was also based off hardcore's speedmod kernel.
[REF] Galaxy S II Kernel source code repository. Please use it instead of .tar
A few kernel developers were given warnings for not releasing the source code via git. Some remedied it faster than others, some ignores the warning till their thread is locked then quits xda-developers forums.
Hacre, I understand you are proud of what you do with your kernel, however, your attitude needs improving. You openly pick on another dev, when his thread is locked, it's like kicking someone in the balls after he is already down from someone else's punch, and being proud of it. I don't care how good your kernel is, or how great a person you are, you really need to grow up.
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Sure. I agree it's not good. But assuming guilt is worse IMHO.
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What? This isn't a trial with a jury. The thread has been closed for not posting sources when he was asked several times thus OBVIOUSLY and PROVEN TO BE breaching GPL. What else is there to "get" or "discover"? What would have been reasonable in your opinion? A few more "pretty please" posts?
I'm not even sure what your point even is at this point. My response to the bread and butter of the issue in this thread, where you accused me of having a pitchfork out:
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Because four different people (five if you include myself) asked for the source code at various points over the last week and have had no response nor source code, despite the author responding in the thread to other questions.
Or, read the mod edit in the first post that explains the thread is closed pending investigation.
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Failing to see a lack of reason, any overzealousness or anything other than pointing out the facts here. Fact: Thread was closed for showing to be in breach of the GPL.
So unless you're suggesting we get 12 of his good and true peers into a skype conference, you're talking out of your arse.
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Hacre, I understand you are proud of what you do with your kernel, however, your attitude needs improving. You openly pick on another dev, when his thread is locked, it's like kicking someone in the balls after he is already down from someone else's punch, and being proud of it. I don't care how good your kernel is, or how great a person you are, you really need to grow up.
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Show me where I am "picking on him".
There is no need for this thread. The kernel thread is under investigation for GPL issues. Thread closed.
THANK YOU
A lot of times people only complain about postings or this not working or I want this. Thank you for all of your time and effort to make our devices and this site better. Sure I could just hit thanks but I think seeing a positive message every now and then does wonders. Not a Dev, Mod, or Tweaker but just a poster and or a flasher? Not a problem give your thanks below.
I get better battery life , am ciq free, and my phone does things it was not supposed to all because of great people
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THANK YOU
A lot of times people only complain about postings or this not working or I want this. Thank you for all of your time and effort to make our devices and this site better. Sure I could just hit thanks but I think seeing a positive message every now and then does wonders. Not a Dev, Mod, or Tweaker but just a poster and or a flasher? Not a problem give your thanks below.
I get better battery life , am ciq free, and my phone does things it was not supposed to all because of great people
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Seconded. Thanks specifically to TrevE for countless hours of labor he is not paid for or reimbursed for his investment, and many others who have gone above and beyond the call of duty, volunteering thousands of man hours to not only build on to the wonderful Android platform, but for being global activists to make freedom of information, freedom of speech, freedom to criticize and make transparent copyrighted material and practices that would otherwise remain hidden under the blanket of oppression for a few million more dollars into the pockets of those most responsible for our invasion of privacy.
Thank you to the unique engineers responsible for building from the ground up more robust and user friendly solutions, and even to our ROM "chefs" for improving products.
Lastly, but certainly not least, for the moderators, operators, and owners of the xda community for providing all of us the medium in which to share information freely, and attempting to maintain and proliferate the spirit and necessity of open source engineering. And thank you to the wonderful members of xda who are constantly sharing information, helping those in need, and providing hours of discussion, debate, and support to your fellow community brethren. Live long xda, thanks to all!
Eh, cool. Didn't we have this exact thread in General not too long ago?
Whose complaining? I want names!!
I also want to say thank you! Everything you guys do is amazing, either if some stuff is working or not.. some people, not all, cant accept the fact that some stuff dosen't work on a ROM, well if you don't like it for that reason then dont download and flash it!!
Regards!
I third this
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+1 Big thanks to all of the XDA community who have contributed their guides, tweaks, apps, mods and skins. Absolutely genius.
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Eh, cool. Didn't we have this exact thread in General not too long ago?
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So what? I am sure that it is nice for them to see that they are appreciated once in a while instead of people b**ching all the time.
+ 1 OP!
All you guys are appreciated very much! I wish you were the ones running the companies that decide what goes on our phones and what doesn't! If I worked for a major mobile device corporation, i.e. sprint, HTC, google, etc, I would hire you guys. That's just me though.
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So what? I am sure that it is nice for them to see that they are appreciated once in a while instead of people b**ching all the time.
+ 1 OP!
All you guys are appreciated very much! I wish you were the ones running the companies that decide what goes on our phones and what doesn't! If I worked for a major mobile device corporation, i.e. sprint, HTC, google, etc, I would hire you guys. That's just me though.
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Ditto, xda devs would earn I spot on my team any day.
yup, good job guys. your work is appreciated.
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agree... can't ever have too many of these threads.. THANK YOU for making our phones free and ours.
It's always nice to see a positive message, especially since the EVO 3D forum has got a bad rep of being cut throat.
I too would like to thank every one of our active, positive, and sharing members of the XDA community. Not too long ago, it was mostly based around Windows Mobile and a lot of stuff was very secretive around here. I'm not sure if the Open Source nature of Android is to thank for the recent 'sharing is caring' attitude around here, but I'm happy about it nonetheless.
I think developers need to remain and be more active in the community, as it encourages a lot of idea swapping, innovation, and better things!
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It's always nice to see a positive message, especially since the EVO 3D forum has got a bad rep of being cut throat.
I too would like to thank every one of our active, positive, and sharing members of the XDA community. Not too long ago, it was mostly based around Windows Mobile and a lot of stuff was very secretive around here. I'm not sure if the Open Source nature of Android is to thank for the recent 'sharing is caring' attitude around here, but I'm happy about it nonetheless.
I think developers need to remain and be more active in the community, as it encourages a lot of idea swapping, innovation, and better things!
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Definitely true.
Nvm, nemith is being a jerk and taking away my fun.
You are a gentleman and a scholar. So bad ass dude. I'm looking forward to new developments. I shall donate.
Indirect just want to thank you and the other devs for all your hard work sweat, and what Im sure were some absolutely frustrating times. On behalf of all the xda members who actually know how difficult the tasks that gentlemen such as yourself take on with these android devices, we appreciate it, and implore you to please keep it up in spite of the unwarranted criticism from some. The development community has really changed the way we as a buying public interact with our devices, and I truly believe that the work you all do indirectly forces the hand of big business to create bigger and better....THANK YOU!
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Indirect just want to thank you and the other devs for all your hard work sweat, and what Im sure were some absolutely frustrating times. On behalf of all the xda members who actually know how difficult the tasks that gentlemen such as yourself take on with these android devices, we appreciate it, and implore you to please keep it up in spite of the unwarranted criticism from some. The development community has really changed the way we as a buying public interact with our devices, and I truly believe that the work you all do indirectly forces the hand of big business to create bigger and better....THANK YOU!
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Well-spoken, my friend. Exactly my sentiments.
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Indirect just want to thank you and the other devs for all your hard work sweat, and what Im sure were some absolutely frustrating times. On behalf of all the xda members who actually know how difficult the tasks that gentlemen such as yourself take on with these android devices, we appreciate it, and implore you to please keep it up in spite of the unwarranted criticism from some. The development community has really changed the way we as a buying public interact with our devices, and I truly believe that the work you all do indirectly forces the hand of big business to create bigger and better....THANK YOU!
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DATRUTH speaks the truth! Thanks for all the work. Can't wait to try this.
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I'm confused as to what exactly it is you think you've done here?
Stood on the shoulders of giants?
HKVC, Bauwks, Adam, then at the end Nemeth... they carried a discussion for 30 pages figuring out the bypass. Then you post a new thread to bring it to the public? Horrible.
I've never used CM, so maybe i'm wrong, but doesn't it come with installation procedures / instructions? Why would we need your new app here to be able to install it on our Nooks?
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I'm confused as to what exactly it is you think you've done here?
Stood on the shoulders of giants?
HKVC, Bauwks, Adam, then at the end Nemeth... they carried a discussion for 30 pages figuring out the bypass. Then you post a new thread to bring it to the public? Horrible.
I've never used CM, so maybe i'm wrong, but doesn't it come with installation procedures / instructions? Why would we need your new app here to be able to install it on our Nooks?
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1) I am simply making an app to make it easier on the general public
2) I havent released until I get permission from Bauwks
3) I only was making the thread for now, I just have the app in development still
4) This isn't a "I WANT TO TAKE CREDIT!", this is a I want to help end users have it be easier on themselves. That's it.
I like racecars.
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I like racecars.
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I like turtles.
I see London, I see France, I see Indirect's Underpants. lol.
Dammit Xdaghary, are they in a knot again?
I really really like my NT.
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Indirect just want to thank you and the other devs for all your hard work sweat, and what Im sure were some absolutely frustrating times. On behalf of all the xda members who actually know how difficult the tasks that gentlemen such as yourself take on with these android devices, we appreciate it, and implore you to please keep it up in spite of the unwarranted criticism from some. The development community has really changed the way we as a buying public interact with our devices, and I truly believe that the work you all do indirectly forces the hand of big business to create bigger and better....THANK YOU!
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Indirect,
Just wanted to say DOUBLE DITTO to Datruth and to ignore the trolls. There's always some hanging around hoping someone will notice them......
I just want to say I have names on my mind and yours Indirect are one of the ones I must say Thanks for your efforts ant time.
I dont see anyone else working on this. Please make this happen... someone. From my understanding the thread was a discussion and an exploit was pointed out. No one took credit from anyone else. Indirect always gives credit where credit is due. The consumers need things that make it easy... easier the better. Thats why I make videos for yall. I cant program for crap, but me making a video on your hack gets you donations. someone else building on your exploit gets you donations. No one is taking credit from anyone else and the point of an open source community is to build off each other.
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I dont see anyone else working on this. Please make this happen... someone. From my understanding the thread was a discussion and an exploit was pointed out. No one took credit from anyone else. Indirect always gives credit where credit is due. The consumers need things that make it easy... easier the better. Thats why I make videos for yall. I cant program for crap, but me making a video on your hack gets you donations. someone else building on your exploit gets you donations. No one is taking credit from anyone else and the point of an open source community is to build off each other.
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Albert, we can always count on you to say something worthwhile. Thanks man. I too cannot program for **** so people like indirect is helping brilliantly, bringing it to the lay person.
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I'm confused as to what exactly it is you think you've done here?
Stood on the shoulders of giants?
HKVC, Bauwks, Adam, then at the end Nemeth... they carried a discussion for 30 pages figuring out the bypass. Then you post a new thread to bring it to the public? Horrible.
I've never used CM, so maybe i'm wrong, but doesn't it come with installation procedures / instructions? Why would we need your new app here to be able to install it on our Nooks?
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Hey you Mr. please watch out how you write on this forum, we don't need people with this attitude, Indirect has made great things for us. With people like this is why many forums on XDA has become a hell and devs has quit and move on, so let's not permit that in here, we are here to help others and share our knowledge; next time be kind and polite.
Veronica
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Nvm, nemith is being a jerk and taking away my fun.
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I understand that he is being an extremely low IQ male rooster with social development issues, but dude. Seriously. I know desire is part of the fun, but there are ALWAYS pricks around. There are LITERALLY hundreds if not thousands or people looking and watching and cheering you on every day. Don't let the squeaky wheel get the grease this time.
Also from my slightly conspiracy theory side, how can we be sure that this goober isn't a plant by B&N to try to pies off devs to stop development.....
Whether you continue or not, you are doing something I cannot, and I am extremely grateful for the work you have outing so far. Thanks man.
Posted from my B&N Nook Tablet... rooted of course!
Thank you lavero.burgos you are spot on. If you do have a issue, there are more polite ways to put your thoughts across. On the flip side some of the language in the responses were NOT acceptable, whoever you are! There are many idiots in this world, you need to rise above them. I will be contacting individuals about the matter.
I cant see this thread recovering now.
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I realize this post may not make me popular, but this community isn't about popularity so much as it is about working together as a community, for the community.
I had a post ready on my phone, but for some reason the xda or tapatalk app sometimes puts my phone in a boot loop.. anyways:
As best as I can tell, we have one solid developer(no offense to anyone else if they are deving) who is working with source. One person working on ICS, and putting out roms for our pleasure. Xboarder, it is awesome that you are able and willing to put the time and work into this phone like you have, and I thank you.
I am curious about one thing though: Is xboarder opposed to working with others?
This is in no way to stir up trouble, but I have seen multiple posts of problems between revolution(and maybe others?) and xboarder. I would have posted this in that thread, but it is locked I am assuming because of those problems. This thread is not about blame, it is to point out that who is at fault doesn't matter. If another developer was considering this device they aren't going to try to see who is at fault, they will assume that neither party works well with others.
It is admirable that someone so young(xboarder) is able to step up and do what many people older than him cannot, developing and working on projects like he has.. but is seems like people handle him with kid gloves(pun NOT intended), perhaps out of fear they will lose the only developer currently working with our device, but this is an opportunity for xboarder or anyone else to develop professionally. It is one thing to be able to do something by yourself, from the ground up, but our ability to work with others while utilizing the skills we would have by ourselves is something extremely desired in the professional world, or is valuable in life itself.
XDA is a community, each of us contributing our experiences and what we have learned with each other, that is what creates progress. Some contribute financially, some trouble shoot, some test, some develop, but consciously or not we are all working together to some degree. This is the ideal.
Most devices that have a working ICS build have more than one person, sometimes teams of people, working on the project together. They check each other's work, offer knowledge, divide the workload.. many could work individually, but in almost all cases the final product is better by working collaboratively.
An adult trait that many adults don't have, is the ability to turn the other cheek. Or to reach out to others for help. To overlook offenses. Don't deny xboarder the chance to step up professionally. Give him the opportunity to learn how to pick and choose his battles, to share glory, to learn and teach others by letting him do it on his own.
Xboarder, please don't take anything I've said offensively, but if you can, consider it objectively. You probably haven't had the chance to work with others on a large group project, to collaborate. Maybe revolution(I don't know if he is a dev or who is at fault, etc) or others have been an ass, but don't let that stop you from working with them or others to put together a better product. To free up your resources to do something for yourself, or your own side projects..
I hope no one will flame, blame, or otherwise take this thread as a chance to cause chaos or get upset. I have worked with others collaboratively, people I do like and people I don't, and it is an important thing when you are dealing with projects of this magnitude. That is why you don't see many working ICS builds being created alone, or at the least, you see people building upon other people's work.. because that is what open source is all about. I have worked as a consultant for businesses, trying to figure out what happens in the infrastructure that may be keeping it from a higher level of success.. and that is what I am offering here, a possible insight into what could help this entire community make more progress, helping each person who makes their own contributions however they can. Damn this post got long, I can only hope that it might lead to something productive.
Let me just start by saying that X is one of the very few developers that actually owns the device. And in an even rarer case, he owns one with S-Off. This in itself means that he's able to develop for the Amaze a lot easier than other developers.
I don't think he has a problem working with others, it's just that the pickings are slim. It's hard to find people to work with if you're the only one with the device that has S-Off. Also, the lack of S-Off on the majority of the devices only turns developers away from the Amaze, which is a real shame and a failure on HTC's part
From what I see around the forums, X doesn't seem like he has a problem working with others, in fact, all evidence goes to support that he encourages other developers to pick up on the Amaze development (bounty threads, etc). X is already doing a fantastic job and I know his work will only be even better as more developers join the Amaze community, we just have to be patient.
i work with others that know there info etc preludedrew nrgz but revoultion is just trying be like a want a be person you know. People that dont know anything and just try to act like they do. I hate that kind of person and i have posted before about asking for etas and you might not all know but i had rev on gtalk for a while till he started trash talking me and keep asking for etas like every otherday. I think you would get tierd of that too so then i deleted him. It takes to much time to teacher a person all that i know im still learning as i go and talk to other devs such as faux123, nrgz, preludedrew, etc. I like working with people that are better then me so i learn i all ready have a private team im working with on ics and it will be posted else where and no more betas becuase of people like rev asking and asking. and has stolen mine and others work in the past.
I think you guys have heard this sang, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I have given rev a bunch of chances to learn and show him how to develop the right way. and it always ends in a bad way.
also most other phones have aosp something to work of libs kernels etc. Im doing this all from the ground up no cm help no nada. We have to make all the stuff on our own aosp kernel etc. not easy todo
I might just take a break all this drama stuff is like high school and post my stuff else where or keep it until its ready
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Let me just start by saying that X is one of the very few developers that actually owns the device. And in an even rarer case, he owns one with S-Off. This in itself means that he's able to develop for the Amaze a lot easier than other developers.
I don't think he has a problem working with others, it's just that the pickings are slim. It's hard to find people to work with if you're the only one with the device that has S-Off. Also, the lack of S-Off on the majority of the devices only turns developers away from the Amaze, which is a real shame and a failure on HTC's part
From what I see around the forums, X doesn't seem like he has a problem working with others, in fact, all evidence goes to support that he encourages other developers to pick up on the Amaze development (bounty threads, etc). X is already doing a fantastic job and I know his work will only be even better as more developers join the Amaze community, we just have to be patient.
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Well, I am new to the device, I've only had mine for a few weeks though I have been following the forums for nearly 2 months.. even with the workarounds that the members of the community bear the burden of, s-off still keeps developers away that much? Many devs I have talked to develop or contribute to devices they don't have.. as long as at least one developer has the device, or they have adequate testers, they seem happy to contribute to the code(I am talking about compiling/building like xboarder is doing with ICS).
I don't want to sound like this post was because I am impatient, but when I read the ICS thread earlier I was bothered by how immediate things escalated, and that the thread got closed over something that seems so petty.
I've worked with a lot of these devices, I've read quite a few forums, and even some of the crappier devices seem to have several teams of devs, and I am failing to see why a device as beefy and awesome as this one hasn't attracted at least a few more.
I saw a bounty thread earlier, and the very fact that people are willing to contribute is one of the factors that made me wonder at the lack of devs here.. I bought this phone because it is simply the best device out there, and I would like to do whatever I can to facilitate the growth and development of our part of the forums. Not having s-off may be a turn off to developing as much as you say it is, but I know several devs that could contribute to the code of any device without ever having it in their hand..
Perhaps the problem is that the members are publicizing enough the need that is here, the contributions of the members in this area would be more than enough to support a much larger number of devs, and that alone I would think would draw some out..
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i work with others that know there info etc preludedrew nrgz but revoultion is just trying be like a want a be person you know. People that dont know anything and just try to act like they do. I hate that kind of person and i have posted before about asking for etas and you might not all know but i had rev on gtalk for a while till he started trash talking me and keep asking for etas like every otherday. I think you would get tierd of that too so then i deleted him. It takes to much time to teacher a person all that i know im still learning as i go and talk to other devs such as faux123, nrgz, preludedrew, etc. I like working with people that are better then me so i learn i all ready have a private team im working with on ics and it will be posted else where and no more betas becuase of people like rev asking and asking. and has stolen mine and others work in the past.
I think you guys have heard this sang, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I have given rev a bunch of chances to learn and show him how to develop the right way. and it always ends in a bad way.
also most other phones have aosp something to work of libs kernels etc. Im doing this all from the ground up no cm help no nada. We have to make all the stuff on our own aosp kernel etc. not easy todo
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I totally understand, and I hope you take what I said constructively, not negatively. I'm not one of those people that ask for ETAs, I may not be a developer, but I definitely have a good idea of how much time and effort goes into it.. if I had more time(college is a succubus) I could dedicate to anything, I would be trying to make my own contributions.
Revolution may be a total asshat(and I'm thinking he probably is), but if someone were to stumble across your dealings with him without doing the research, they might come to a conclusion about you that isn't accurate at all.
I guess I would ask you, have you reached out to any developers that currently aren't contributing to ask if they are willing to assist? When working with pure code like you are in the ICS build, some could make good contributions without ever having the device in their hands..
I know HTC isn't making this easy, nor are some of the people in the community who show their lack of patience.. but the basis of me starting this thread was because I understand the value of working collaboratively, and I know it isn't always easy to organize-- but in a sense that is one of my knacks, I am a professional facilitator. That also may be why I have been going to college the last four years, it isn't the easiest thing to market(without a degree), but it DOES have its uses..
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Well, I am new to the device, I've only had mine for a few weeks though I have been following the forums for nearly 2 months.. even with the workarounds that the members of the community bear the burden of, s-off still keeps developers away that much? Many devs I have talked to develop or contribute to devices they don't have.. as long as at least one developer has the device, or they have adequate testers, they seem happy to contribute to the code(I am talking about compiling/building like xboarder is doing with ICS).
I don't want to sound like this post was because I am impatient, but when I read the ICS thread earlier I was bothered by how immediate things escalated, and that the thread got closed over something that seems so petty.
I've worked with a lot of these devices, I've read quite a few forums, and even some of the crappier devices seem to have several teams of devs, and I am failing to see why a device as beefy and awesome as this one hasn't attracted at least a few more.
I saw a bounty thread earlier, and the very fact that people are willing to contribute is one of the factors that made me wonder at the lack of devs here.. I bought this phone because it is simply the best device out there, and I would like to do whatever I can to facilitate the growth and development of our part of the forums. Not having s-off may be a turn off to developing as much as you say it is, but I know several devs that could contribute to the code of any device without ever having it in their hand..
Perhaps the problem is that the members are publicizing enough the need that is here, the contributions of the members in this area would be more than enough to support a much larger number of devs, and that alone I would think would draw some out..
I totally understand, and I hope you take what I said constructively, not negatively. I'm not one of those people that ask for ETAs, I may not be a developer, but I definitely have a good idea of how much time and effort goes into it.. if I had more time(college is a succubus) I could dedicate to anything, I would be trying to make my own contributions.
Revolution may be a total asshat(and I'm thinking he probably is), but if someone were to stumble across your dealings with him without doing the research, they might come to a conclusion about you that isn't accurate at all.
I guess I would ask you, have you reached out to any developers that currently aren't contributing to ask if they are willing to assist? When working with pure code like you are in the ICS build, some could make good contributions without ever having the device in their hands..
I know HTC isn't making this easy, nor are some of the people in the community who show their lack of patience.. but the basis of me starting this thread was because I understand the value of working collaboratively, and I know it isn't always easy to organize-- but in a sense that is one of my knacks, I am a professional facilitator. That also may be why I have been going to college the last four years, it isn't the easiest thing to market(without a degree), but it DOES have its uses..
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nope i got a group all ready working with privatly on this
I don't know much about what's going on behind the (Devs) scene - things between Xboarder56 and CM team, between Xboarder56 and Revolution but based on the facts that I've seen, Xboarder56 did a wonderful job. All the noob tools, Roms - especially his supports. He updates his Rom immediately after someone found a bug, heck, he was so fast at supporting and updating that I am - as an end user, seems to be tired to trying to keep up with his releases.
Based on what I've read in the forum, Revolution is an a**hole - period! And if I were a Mod he would be forever banned due to the fact of kept asking ETA alone - not to mention the bad intention to provoked Xboarder56.
There is a mutual benefits between Dev and end users. If you are a good Dev with a lot of followers, you will become popular and that will helps with your career (i.e Steve Kondik and Samsung). Devs built Rom not just for fun, they also built up their porfolio/resume if they wanted a good job in hi-tech field and a good reputation when putting their app on the Market.
On a personal point of view, I don't care if there is only one Dev in the Amaze forum because without many of them I still be able to get ICS when it's due from Tmobile. Flashing custom Rom is more like a hobby to many of us here and if I don't have their support I still be fine with my phone - using Stock
Another thing needs to be point out and one may not agreed with me but a Stock Rom is always better than any custom Rom. I means looks at Motorola's announcement just a few days ago when they are looking for testers for their soon to be update software, they are looking for one thousand tester and when a Mfg. released their final product, they usually testing it for months before.
As with us? Every time when we flashed a new Rom we tend to check on some basic function as wifi, tethering, bluetooth, gps and stuff like that and we were testing it for a few minutes - until it crashed or bootloop a day later. We rarely have a chance a test the Rom while doing multi-task with hundreds of apps on different environtments, i.g using GPS while listening to Music on a trip and taking/receiving phone calls while another party on hold at the other end and at the same time googling for a nearby restaurant, ect ... How many of us doing such intensive test on our beloved new Rom for a long period of time? I'm doubtful.
To top it off. More Devs? Great! I appreciates their effort and I am thankful. I will consider a donation if I think the Dev is devoting to his work and fully support his followers and deserved his rewards. If there is none? I either continuing using my phone with Stock and after a few months, Ebaying it or throw it on my local Craigslist and buy another phone - happily ever after! If there is a single Dev out there thinking that us users would have no where to go to without their work. They are wrong!
Mutual beneficial is the name of this game. Without users and testers - Dev is nothing but a desperate wannabe tech-guy looking for a job without a good looking porfolio/resume. No chance to practice and/or testing your product. Without Devs, users would have no fun and his phone purchasing cycle will be shorter hence carriers and Mfg. can sell more phones! That's about it!
Enough ranting and my appologies for those who hates long post.
Followed amaze forums since xboarder was first rooting it.
Wonderful job.
Keep up the development.it will make you grow as a person.
Just cut off the negative people.
Binary seems to actually moderate these threads,which I don't see much of on xda.
Xboarder...I chose the amaze because you are here.
That revolution character is laughable.I have a few devices,and he's popped up in a few,and basically been shunned.its his fault(for getting shunned).
But remember,like in football...
The ref calls the foul on the Guy who responds,not the one who commits the foul in the first place.
You're good at what you do.
Keep doing it.
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sunlaw2 said:
Followed amaze forums since xboarder was first rooting it.
Wonderful job.
Keep up the development.it will make you grow as a person.
Just cut off the negative people.
Binary seems to actually moderate these threads,which I don't see much of on xda.
Xboarder...I chose the amaze because you are here.
That revolution character is laughable.I have a few devices,and he's popped up in a few,and basically been shunned.its his fault(for getting shunned).
But remember,like in football...
The ref calls the foul on the Guy who responds,not the one who commits the foul in the first place.
You're good at what you do.
Keep doing it.
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Thanks! It's difficult to find balance between the forum and my personal life but I do what I can. Also keep in mind that I moderate more forums here on XDA at the same time as do a lot of forum moderators. So if you don't see them in other forums frequently then use the report post feature and report the thread. Your FSM will be alerted to investigate the reported issue.
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But remember,like in football...
The ref calls the foul on the Guy who responds,not the one who commits the foul in the first place.
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Umm....shouldn't the ref call the foul on the guy who actually committed the foul in the first place? Just sayin.
Silentbtdeadly said:
I realize this post may not make me popular, but this community isn't about popularity so much as it is about working together as a community, for the community.
I had a post ready on my phone, but for some reason the xda or tapatalk app sometimes puts my phone in a boot loop.. anyways:
As best as I can tell, we have one solid developer(no offense to anyone else if they are deving) who is working with source. One person working on ICS, and putting out roms for our pleasure. Xboarder, it is awesome that you are able and willing to put the time and work into this phone like you have, and I thank you.
I am curious about one thing though: Is xboarder opposed to working with others?
This is in no way to stir up trouble, but I have seen multiple posts of problems between revolution(and maybe others?) and xboarder. I would have posted this in that thread, but it is locked I am assuming because of those problems. This thread is not about blame, it is to point out that who is at fault doesn't matter. If another developer was considering this device they aren't going to try to see who is at fault, they will assume that neither party works well with others.
It is admirable that someone so young(xboarder) is able to step up and do what many people older than him cannot, developing and working on projects like he has.. but is seems like people handle him with kid gloves(pun NOT intended), perhaps out of fear they will lose the only developer currently working with our device, but this is an opportunity for xboarder or anyone else to develop professionally. It is one thing to be able to do something by yourself, from the ground up, but our ability to work with others while utilizing the skills we would have by ourselves is something extremely desired in the professional world, or is valuable in life itself.
XDA is a community, each of us contributing our experiences and what we have learned with each other, that is what creates progress. Some contribute financially, some trouble shoot, some test, some develop, but consciously or not we are all working together to some degree. This is the ideal.
Most devices that have a working ICS build have more than one person, sometimes teams of people, working on the project together. They check each other's work, offer knowledge, divide the workload.. many could work individually, but in almost all cases the final product is better by working collaboratively.
An adult trait that many adults don't have, is the ability to turn the other cheek. Or to reach out to others for help. To overlook offenses. Don't deny xboarder the chance to step up professionally. Give him the opportunity to learn how to pick and choose his battles, to share glory, to learn and teach others by letting him do it on his own.
Xboarder, please don't take anything I've said offensively, but if you can, consider it objectively. You probably haven't had the chance to work with others on a large group project, to collaborate. Maybe revolution(I don't know if he is a dev or who is at fault, etc) or others have been an ass, but don't let that stop you from working with them or others to put together a better product. To free up your resources to do something for yourself, or your own side projects..
I hope no one will flame, blame, or otherwise take this thread as a chance to cause chaos or get upset. I have worked with others collaboratively, people I do like and people I don't, and it is an important thing when you are dealing with projects of this magnitude. That is why you don't see many working ICS builds being created alone, or at the least, you see people building upon other people's work.. because that is what open source is all about. I have worked as a consultant for businesses, trying to figure out what happens in the infrastructure that may be keeping it from a higher level of success.. and that is what I am offering here, a possible insight into what could help this entire community make more progress, helping each person who makes their own contributions however they can. Damn this post got long, I can only hope that it might lead to something productive.
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I totally see where you are coming from. In reality their are people who will intentionally get under you skin any way they can. Even as an adult it still happens. But if theirs anything that I learned in flight school its that you can run into the wind you have to turn into and face it. The thing you push against lifts you up. Team work is crucial in any thing you do really. That's what being a community is about, working together not being divided. I have seen the things revolution has done and in reality he is one of the ones who won't go far. I mean all of this out of respect, but with a device so scares but great that is a reason we should help on another. If HTC won't help then it looks like its up to us. We need to work together and stop being a pain in the ass toward one another. Like I said I'm not blaming anyone its all out of respect.
To be fair.revolution has 500 something thanks.
But if someone persists in annoying others,soliciting donations for bogus "development",etc...
Just let the moderators handle it.
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To be fair.revolution has 500 something thanks.
But if someone persists in annoying others,soliciting donations for bogus "development",etc...
Just let the moderators handle it.
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500thanks out of 1500total posts meaning 67% of the time he talks bullsh$t
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To be fair.revolution has 500 something thanks.
But if someone persists in annoying others,soliciting donations for bogus "development",etc...
Just let the moderators handle it.
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My thanks to post ratio isn't as high, but that doesn't mean a whole lot. Maybe he will have something to offer, probably not.
If binary sees this, feel free to close the post, xboarder clearly said where he is with other devs, so there isn't much more that needs to be said.
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My thanks to post ratio isn't as high, but that doesn't mean a whole lot. Maybe he will have something to offer, probably not.
If binary sees this, feel free to close the post, xboarder clearly said where he is with other devs, so there isn't much more that needs to be said.
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Hi, I would like to set up a collection for Eschelon so he could start developing roms for the note 2. If anyone could help it would be appreciated.
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Team synergy was awesome on the s3 and I will donate. Next week. Just donated to beans yesterday
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Is esch aware of this thread?
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I sent him a message today. He hasn't replied yet, but he has mentioned his work is keeping him busy. He did say if he was given one he would work on it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=34853878
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Man not to be a party pooper, but no one should be donating for promised work, especially when a device is as of yet publicly rooted.
I'm not sure if you ever dealt with synergy roms, but the guy does fantastic work. I also understand your reservations, but given the XDA community nothing is impossible.
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Man not to be a party pooper, but no one should be donating for promised work, especially when a device is as of yet publicly rooted.
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Try actually reading next time. Someone asked Eschelon if he was getting a Note 2. He responded with "no" but non-nonchalantly stated he'd be happy to dev if he ever got his hands on one, but he didn't anticipate it. That's it. He didn't make any false promises or even solicit this thread (I doubt if he even knows it exists).
And another thing: Why do you and your buddy Adrynalyne (who always seems to be sparring with some other dev team on a daily basis) always go after the Synergy guys? There's also a Beans donation thread here in the Note 2 section. Did you make a similar comment in that thread too? And Beans actually encouraged a donation thread, Eschelon didn't.
And yet here you are. Hypocrite.
Just because you've contributed to this community in the past does not give you authority to troll threads of devs you don't like while simultaneously giving others a pass.
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Try actually reading next time. Someone asked Eschelon if he was getting a Note 2. He responded with "no" but non-nonchalantly stated he'd be happy to dev if he ever got his hands on one, but he didn't anticipate it. That's it. He didn't make any false promises or even solicit this thread (I doubt if he even knows it exists).
And another thing: Why do you and your buddy Adrynalyne (who always seems to be sparring with some other dev team on a daily basis) always go after the Synergy guys? There's also a Beans donation thread here in the Note 2 section. Did you make a similar comment in that thread too? And Beans actually encouraged a donation thread, Eschelon didn't.
And yet here you are. Hypocrite.
Just because you've contributed to this community in the past does not give you authority to troll threads of devs you don't like while simultaneously giving others a pass.
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Excuse me? You are totally off base and utterly clueless on all of this.
I've never made a negative comment against synergy nor Eschelon, I don't even know who synergy nor Eschelon are. I am not a rom dev, nor rom user. I don't follow the rom scene dramas. My comments were for the person that started the thread, and still stand. It was not a troll thread.
Adryanline is just another developer, we have had many words before. We have not, and doubtfully ever would team up on anything. I do hold him in great respect because if his honesty and abilities.
I'm a hypocrite for what, I called out three threads for the same issue. I have never supported donation before work done. So you not know what the definition of hypocrite is?
Hell I've bought other devs phones with donations from my work.
People like you burning bridges are why some promising devices don't get support from many very capable developers.
I'm going to bring up the donation before producing a product issue in the ERD forum. Thanks for providing the push to do so
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Excuse me? You are totally off base and utterly clueless on all of this.
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You don't even know me, so don't arrogate to yourself this self-insisted authority to tell me what I know and what I don't. I've seen you on this very forum go directly after Virus and Ziggy in the past (Synergy guys), and now here you are again, and yet you completely ignored the Beans bounty thread. I'm not clueless at all, I've been watching you - a very public person in the Android world - for some time now. Your past actions speak louder than your current words.
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So you not know what the definition of hypocrite is?
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> Says people shouldn't be donating in a thread that currently has zero dollars pledged and where none was solicited from the dev as a "promise" (your word, not mine) to work on the device
> Says nothing in a thread in which almost $400 has been pledged and was solicited directly by the dev
> Accuses me of not knowing what a hypocrite is
Yea, ok buddy... (rolls eyes)
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People like you burning bridges are why some promising devices don't get support from many very capable developers.
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But you advising people to NOT get a device into a dev's hands helps promising devices get more dev support?
Out of respect for the rules of this forum this is all I will say on the matter in this public setting. Say whatever else you want as I do not wish to continue this and end up violating XDA's terms. I'm out.
All I can say is wow. My only reason for creating this was for a great developer to get a chance to work on the note 2. If I had realized it would cause this much animosity I would have never started this thread.
I apologize, and I'll do what I can on my own to get him the note 2 . I have no idea how he finds time between his work and his family life to devote time to develope, but the selfish me is glad he does. I just want to reward him for his hard work and dedication.
It may take me a month or 2 , but I'll get that phone in his hands.
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You don't even know me, so don't arrogate to yourself this self-insisted authority to tell me what I know and what I don't. I've seen you on this very forum go directly after Virus and Ziggy in the past (Synergy guys), and now here you are again, and yet you completely ignored the Beans bounty thread. I'm not clueless at all, I've been watching you - a very public person in the Android world - for some time now. Your past actions speak louder than your current words.
> Says people shouldn't be donating in a thread that currently has zero dollars pledged and where none was solicited from the dev as a "promise" (your word, not mine) to work on the device
> Says nothing in a thread in which almost $400 has been pledged and was solicited directly by the dev
> Accuses me of not knowing what a hypocrite is
Yea, ok buddy... (rolls eyes)
But you advising people to NOT get a device into a dev's hands helps promising devices get more dev support?
Out of respect for the rules of this forum this is all I will say on the matter in this public setting. Say whatever else you want as I do not wish to continue this and end up violating XDA's terms. I'm out.
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Seriously, you are lost and comments about bean don't even make sense, hr was the first I commented join regards to this.
I dont know Virus nor of his work, but Ziggy I and I had words, nothing to do with anything but his policy on ignoring the GPL. I do believe his work wasn't even allowed here for a while because of that.
How the heck am I suppose to track what groups a random Dev is working with at any given time.
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8. Donations.
We appreciate all donations to xda-developers.com, it keeps our forum online and well maintained. As a user you're allowed to ask for donations in your signature as a thank you for your hard work. However donations up front are not allowed, this forum is about sharing, not about getting paid to do something, that's what your job is for.
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Hey guys can someone donate to me so I can get my gf this phone? Shes not a dev but very pretty.....
biff6789 said:
You don't even know me, so don't arrogate to yourself this self-insisted authority to tell me what I know and what I don't. I've seen you on this very forum go directly after Virus and Ziggy in the past (Synergy guys), and now here you are again, and yet you completely ignored the Beans bounty thread. I'm not clueless at all, I've been watching you - a very public person in the Android world - for some time now. Your past actions speak louder than your current words.
> Says people shouldn't be donating in a thread that currently has zero dollars pledged and where none was solicited from the dev as a "promise" (your word, not mine) to work on the device
> Says nothing in a thread in which almost $400 has been pledged and was solicited directly by the dev
> Accuses me of not knowing what a hypocrite is
Yea, ok buddy... (rolls eyes)
But you advising people to NOT get a device into a dev's hands helps promising devices get more dev support?
Out of respect for the rules of this forum this is all I will say on the matter in this public setting. Say whatever else you want as I do not wish to continue this and end up violating XDA's terms. I'm out.
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Dude, I might not always agree with jcase, but he's always been consistent. He did say something in the bean thread...
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This is no way to run a contribution thread to buy a device for a developer - plus you have to have permission from the developer to even start a donation thread.