How many of you have you experienced ghosting on Titan's screen?
And how do you define "ghosting"?
This is the only thing that bothers me before getting a Titan.
Thank you.
I just ordered my titan, so I can't say for sure, but I pretty sure ghosting stopped being a problem in early 2010, and I have never seen any portable display with ghosting issues. It will happen if the device is too cold, as the pixels start freezing... But what makes you think this would be a problem?
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Ghosting is what happens when you have slow pixel response time and colors are most notably slow to change. The effect is that animations will leave a ghostly trail behind them as they go, usually lasting a second or two.
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These are some of the comments in wpcentral review of the Titan:
But the HTC Titan... Big but felt nice and balanced. Camera was nice including the quality of the FF camera. What I noticed was huge amounts of ghosting. George Ponder says there isnt any ghosting like the other HTC devices but that is the first thing I noticed on the Titan was the ghosting. I didnt even know that was an issue and this review was not out when I looked at the Titan about four days ago.
- When scrolling on the homescreen the letters are a blur.
- Web browsing was not very appealing because whether scrolling on full screen or zoomed in scrolling, the blurring effect was such a turn off I stopped demoing the phone, but not before going to the same websites on my phone, the Titan and the Focus S. The Titan was the only one with the ghosting effect.
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Hey George, Thanks for replying to my comment I made. I went to another ATT store that had the S and Titan on display. (The phones did not have the demo software on them and the salesman didnt even know they had the phones, typical, but I digress). I dont know if it is really called ghosting but if you have the Titan available go to a site on two different WPhones. I tested gamespot.com. Slightly zoom in and scroll up or down. The words turn into a blur while moving. This blurring effect does not occur on my focus or really on the S either. Perhaps Im just fixated on it but Im sure Im not the only one, lol.
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You can check the review here (the review itself says there is no ghosting):
http://www.wpcentral.com/att-htc-titan-review
I am a bit confused. Is there ghosting on the Titan or not?
I don't see it on mine, scrolling through the apps list.
I'm still waiting for my Titan in the mail but I did notice some ghosting on the one I played with at the store. I'm hoping it's not too noticeable on the device I receive. The ghosting on the Focus S is much worse though and the main reason I returned it.
My question is: Who cares about ghosting on a cellphone? It's not that big deal when the screen is 4.7" Maybe on a tv with 40" or more it would be a problem..
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My question is: Who cares about ghosting on a cellphone? It's not that big deal when the screen is 4.7" Maybe on a tv with 40" or more it would be a problem..
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If you've ever seen it, it's annoying as f***.
Very rarely do I notice some minor ghosting on the Titan's sreen. I have to say that its much much better than it was on the HD7/HD7S.
Now I never found ghosting very annoying, but I see how it can be.
No ghosting whatsoever. UK SIM FREE.
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I'm not going to term it "ghosting" but there is definitely some image degradation when scrolling; it is especially noticeable with words, like on the app list, web browser, twitter apps, etc.
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I'm not going to term it "ghosting" but there is definitely some image degradation when scrolling; it is especially noticeable with words, like on the app list, web browser, twitter apps, etc.
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Is that when you scroll extremely fast?
I think I've seen that on various devices including the recent ones from Nokia as well as Samsung Nexus!
If you push the scroll extremely fast that where the S-LCD/LCD coughs up! But on normal day to day scrolling you won't notice it as such.
However weirdly enough, I only see this for milli-seconds and on abnormally quick scrolling. Normal day to day use don't show it on my Titan. Unless someone wants to make a video and show me what am I missing!
I can agree to the term that the Titan is ghosting when scrolling in the menu.. U see it especially on the text under the tiles in the full app list.. Black and white background doesn't make a difference either for me.. I think the ghosting is the same on both.. BUT for ME it doesn't make a point, because ghosting isn't that bad to watch when it's on a small screen.. My eyes don't get tired from it either, because you don't scroll the screen up and down for several hours.. Can't see why this should be such a big deal either..
I've been playing with my titan and I really cannot see any ghosting at all.
Go to a text app like twitter, or even the app list. Scroll at normal speed and look at the text.
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hello community,
does anyone beside me notice the screen going blurry while scrolling? best seen at websites with white background and dark letters. it really gives me headaches.
also noticeable while on websites is, that it's not only blurry but also graphics get pixelated everytime I scroll and resharp everytime when scrolling stops.
is this something special about the samoled+? bad refreshrate? maybe fixable? I'm using the phone rooted with normal ke2 firmware and kernel.
thx for your opinions.
I've gone through 4 (FOUR) Samsung Galaxy S2's with replacements due to various issues (overheating, restarting, corrupted screen) And on ALL of them, they blur with fast movement on the screen, especially noticeable, as you said, when it's dark text against a white background. This is purely becuause of the slow response time on the screen. It's a hardware issue, nothing you can do it about it.
Also graphics get pixellated when scrolling as the android OS lowers the quality of graphics while scrolling to make scrolling smoother.
These aren't really problems. Everyone is experiencing the same things as you and I. If anyone says otherwise it's purely because they can't notice it due to bad eyes or whatever but I assure you, it's perfectly normal.
thx for your quick response.
I feared that it's disappointing for such an expensive device. to me, it's kinda like looking at a bade configured screen or something like that.
so no weapon against a low response time, but graphics getting pixelated on a dual-core-monster ... i can go with that on weaker devices, but on this phone ... do you think it's worth asking if somebody knows how to disable that android "feature"?
and let me guess that other phone-screens (like LG optimus speed, which would be the nearest to an alternative) have that blurry problem too ... ?
thx again and feeling sorry for your 4 phones. but you still stick with samsung!
Noticed it too... However it is better here than on the incredible s I had for a couple of days.
With the graphical issue you mean the pictures getting bigger pixels when touching the screen huh?
Are you also having alot of these chess-like patterns while scrolling? Like on the iphone. Is this the browser that does it?
Yeah I was disappointed when I noticed the slow response time myself, especially considering this is a top end device.
I can't say if other comparable devices would have the slow response/blurry screen aswell as manufacturers always exaggerate the specs of screens to 'best case scenario' results, which is completely unrealistic. For example, Samsung states that the screen on the Galaxy S2 has a response time of 0.001ms, which if true, there would be absolutely no hint of blurring at all, however, as I said, they'd of measured it in a best case scenario, they were most likely giving the response time for GTG (or grey to grey, the time it takes for a pixel to turn from grey, to white then back to grey) and with the brightness set to max, I'd imagine 0.001ms wouldn't be far off the true result. However, they should really test BTB, or black to black, which is the time it takes for a pixel to turn from black, to white to black again, and this is the figure that Samsung did not quote, as it's a lot slower than 0.001ms (hence why black text on a white background shows noticeable amounts of blurring). But by my testing, I'd put the screen realistically, closer to 6ms.
And about the graphics turning to lower quality when scrolling, technically yes, this could be 'fixed' as its a software issue.
And yeah I'm sticking with Samsung, after I went through all those replacements, I finally got a decent one that has no issues (touch wood).
correct, as soon as the screen notices your finger it pixels the graphics ... argh! someone should disable that. it's 2011 and powerful enough!
and yes, chess patterns here too. even on less complex sites. never noticed that before in any preview-videos though. so again
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Noticed it too... However it is better here than on the incredible s I had for a couple of days.
With the graphical issue you mean the pictures getting bigger pixels when touching the screen huh?
Are you also having alot of these chess-like patterns while scrolling? Like on the iphone. Is this the browser that does it?
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thx for that explanation. for the pixel-thing I'll try to ask the developers here. at least it's android, so most things could possibly be done
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Yeah I was disappointed when I noticed the slow response time myself, especially considering this is a top end device.
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I just got my Radar in the mail today and I have to say, my first impressions are very good. I'm coming from Android so when I saw the kind of dated specs for this phone, I was a little hesitant. But just like the all the reviews say, this phone is buttery smooth with plenty of power. You can't judge this phone against Android cause it's two different OS's. Windows doesn't need the horsepower that Android needs and the software integration with the hardware is tight and beautiful.
Love the hardware as well. Coming from a Galaxy S, I was happy with the performance but the phone was just too cheap and plasticy for me to ever REALLY love it's looks. The weight and unibody construction on this phone is awesome and I love it.
The unremovable battery might have been a deal breaker for me with a high end Android phone as I had an extra battery for my Galaxy S. But all the reviews said this phone gets well over a day of with moderate use so I'm not sweating that anymore.
NO LIKE::: There's not much I don't like and it's gonna take me a little longer than a few hours to get used to this phone. However, there is one thing about this OS that is bothering me. Font size!! Lets start with the browser....No setting in the browser to make the webpage larger like in android. And when you try to zoom in, the text doesn't re-flow. Also, font size in the people section like in your twitter feed is small as well. I don't have the best eyes but they're already starting to hurt. This complaint is pretty minor but in a way, it's major as well. If you get tired of using certain features on your phone cause it makes your eyes hurt, then that's kinda of a problem.
Overall though, love this phone and I'm happy with the purchase.
Oh and one more thing to add. The call quality isn't very good at all.
The text reflows if you double tap. It's by design.
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The text reflows if you double tap. It's by design.
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Yes but only a little bit. The text still isn't large enough for me to comfortably read, at least for a long time. I'm talking about pinching and zooming as close as you want and the words re-wrap to fit the screen like in Android, so you don't have to scroll back and forth. Other than that, I'm happy with the browser. I think it's a smoother experience on WP7.
And honestly, my complaint above about small font throughout the OS is starting to get to me even more. The things I do most on a phone are taking in info, like browsing my favorite sites, Twitter, Facebook, and RSS. And all these processes hurt my eyes after a while. Example, look at the Facebook app. The font is small cause the top of the screen is taken up by FACEBOOK and then the tittle of the page like MOST RECENT. I actually love the facebook app, it's just the small font I hate. I wish I had a bigger phone cause I think it would be Ok if it was a 4.3 inch screen or so.
In the end, I hate to say it cause I love this OS but I think i'm gonna sell this phone. I'll just have to wait until a bigger phone comes out or Microsoft makes it an option to make the font bigger everywhere. It sucks cause this OS is so much more beautiful and cohesive than anything else. I'm a big fan, but my eyes aren't letting me enjoy the experience. I hope to be back to WP7 soon.
seanp666 htc titan has a very big screen. try that.
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seanp666 htc titan has a very big screen. try that.
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text wouldnt be any better oneit since the pexel density is so low.. reviewers said they had to zoom in to see most stuff on browser clear, a shame =/
stratax i dissagree. to me titan is so big i dont zoom anything there
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stratax i dissagree. to me titan is so big i dont zoom anything there
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Thats weird, couple reviews i saw said it was pixelated when you looked closely and text wasnt that clear
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Thats weird, couple reviews i saw said it was pixelated when you looked closely and text wasnt that clear
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For reference, it has a higher PPI than an iPhone 3GS. So...
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For reference, it has a higher PPI than an iPhone 3GS. So...
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and that screen was tiny haha. here is what everyone is saying.
"The HTC Titan is quite large thanks to its 4.7-inch display. We were slightly disappointed to find that the resolution for this LCD is standard WVGA–480 x 800 pixels. This means the dots per inch (dpi) specification will be quite low, and users may be able to make out individual pixels in some situations, which can be unpleasant when reading text. However, it should make viewing videos a joy, especially when sharing the screen with friends."
I would love to check out the phone myself. but dont have $600 to put into one lol.
even if you can see things fine.. why would they put qHD on the sensation and then 720p display on the rezound, etc. but not the titan when it has a even BIGGER screen? that just confuses me xD maybe it has something to do with WP7.
i just got one radar for my wife.... i like the size and the aluminium body.. the camera is good, and takes panorama shots as well..
smoother then my HD7...
I'm coming from the hd7 also. And I find the size of the radar and its screen to be to annoying. Font size is an issue for me as well. The plus? WiFi tethering.
So, is the tethering free? It was so easy to activate and use, but I don't want any surprise charges.
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So, is the tethering free? It was so easy to activate and use, but I don't want any surprise charges.
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Depends entirely on your carrier.
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sweet
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drewmaloy said:
I'm coming from the hd7 also. And I find the size of the radar and its screen to be to annoying. Font size is an issue for me as well. The plus? WiFi tethering.
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and the camera. The camera is orders of magnitude better than the HD7's.
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and that screen was tiny haha. here is what everyone is saying.
"The HTC Titan is quite large thanks to its 4.7-inch display. We were slightly disappointed to find that the resolution for this LCD is standard WVGA–480 x 800 pixels. This means the dots per inch (dpi) specification will be quite low, and users may be able to make out individual pixels in some situations, which can be unpleasant when reading text. However, it should make viewing videos a joy, especially when sharing the screen with friends."
I would love to check out the phone myself. but dont have $600 to put into one lol.
even if you can see things fine.. why would they put qHD on the sensation and then 720p display on the rezound, etc. but not the titan when it has a even BIGGER screen? that just confuses me xD maybe it has something to do with WP7.
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Every negative comment I have heard about the Titan's screen is from people who don't actually own it or have used it and are just speculating. I'll search for more reviews (since I plan to buy the Titan Friday) and see if I can find anything else out.
here are my first impressions of this nice device (in german)
But I've got a question by the way? Is it normal that the alphabetical jumplist in apps menu is missing?
No. That should be there...odd.
According to :
http://www.reddit.com/r/wp7/comments/l9cet/quick_question_about_icon_in_app_jump_list/
You get the letters in the app list when you have more than 45 applications.
While messing around with my phone, I noticed that in certain conditions, using the camera would result in the middle of the image being saturated and the periphery desaturated.
It was a subtle effect that I only observed because I was on my couch playing with my phone. Did anyone else notice this same effect? I tried it out with another smartphone (HTC Sensation) and it did a similar thing.
Looks like it is infrared spillover. Try covering the flash on the back and see if it produces the same photo. It is probably used to focus the camera.
Happens to me too. I able to reduce it by shooting the pictures by taping the screens and saturation levels at normal. Avoid shooting white photos right after shooting a heavily saturated photo.
I think that's an HTC thing. The HD2 had it pretty bad, but was lessened with a hotfix. My TouchPro has that too. Suprised to still see that on their latest devices.
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While messing around with my phone, I noticed that in certain conditions, using the camera would result in the middle of the image being saturated and the periphery desaturated.
It was a subtle effect that I only observed because I was on my couch playing with my phone. Did anyone else notice this same effect? I tried it out with another smartphone (HTC Sensation) and it did a similar thing.
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Hi, I never see this on my Radar? You said in certain condition, you can reproduce it. Would you mind to tell me how do you do it? Cheers
It's a software issue - HTC had the same troubles with the HTC HD2 and the HTC HD7 - both were remedied with a firmware update. On both phones it showed up as a pink blotch too.
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Hi, I never see this on my Radar? You said in certain condition, you can reproduce it. Would you mind to tell me how do you do it? Cheers
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Sorry for the late reply, I thought the thread had run its course and I usually don't check the forums.
Anyways, I really only notice it while looking at a white wall illuminated by strong incandescent lighting, though I haven't tried it in a variety of other settings yet. I noticed it by chance really, while I was sitting on the couch playing with the camera settings. In normal day to day settings I never notice it.
Judging by the other responses here, I suppose I'm not alone, but the effect really doesn't bother me much. Also as others have noted, it seems to be related to an HTC bug.
Even I experience the same problem on my Radar. I rebooted the phone a few times but the pink blotch still showed up. It's not showing up since last few days but comes once in a while. I hope HTC fixes this issue in the next update.
I went to the Microsoft Store today to check out a Lumia 800. I knew about the pentile matrix and all that. But what I wasn't expecting was to see burn-in images on the screen.
I noticed that no matter which application I open up, there was always a slight remnant of the "messaging" and "e-mail" tiles. It came as a surprise because I have never seen burn-ins on recent displays.
Has anyone experienced this? Or perhaps should I just assume that it's a phone that's likely been heavily stressed at the Microsoft Store? I hope it's just the unit I played with.
Also the whites aren't quite as white as my HD2. Can anyone give an opinion on the display of whites compared to other phones?
Thanks in advance. It's a great phone and I will most likely be getting one.
AMOLED screens do indeed suffer from burn in, unfortunately.
I haven't heard about burn-in of AMOLED screens, i must research it. Hopefully it'll fade. However i have noticed the whites are light blue. Really caught my attention because the blacks are so black.
EDIT: well apparently the burn in is permanent.
Apparently the burn-ins only happened while the same image is displayed.
And since it was a store and the demo models are usually stuck on the same menu screen for an excessive amount of time (especially if sleep is disabled and left over night).. burn in can easily occur.
I can say that in my 2 years of having the original Galaxy S, I've never experienced a burn-in
I have seen burn-ins on LCD and plasma screens as well. But AMOLED is more susceptible of the three technologies. More details at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_burn-in#Plasma.2C_LCD_and_OLED_displays
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I have seen burn-ins on LCD and plasma screens as well.
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Comparatively speaking the chances of burn-in on LCD is negligible compared to OLED and plasma. You usually just get some temporary ghosting which disappears after a while.
I don't think you'll get a burn in on your Lumia with normal use. It sleeps automatically after a while, so this sort of things is prevented. I have never been looking at the same screen for hours, so a burn in won't happen very easily I think...
If you run your phone for hours at full brightness with a static image being displayed - as it is done in stores - you will notice burn-in on AMOLEDs. You will notice it on some other popular display technologies as well, but AMOLED is more susceptible for that kind of problem.
In real usage scenarios, you won't normally have to deal with burn-in.
Gave a thanks to everyone for your help.
It sounds like the unit I saw at the Microsoft Store is just under abnormal conditions. It's probably just overworked.
I'm going to assume that under normal operations, the screen should do just fine without burn-ins.
Time to buy Amazon U.S. is selling for $529, good deal?
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Gave a thanks to everyone for your help.
It sounds like the unit I saw at the Microsoft Store is just under abnormal conditions. It's probably just overworked.
I'm going to assume that under normal operations, the screen should do just fine without burn-ins.
Time to buy Amazon U.S. is selling for $529, good deal?
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I think indeed that the unit in the MS Store was just on the home screen for hours and hours. Not a real use scenario
Seems like a nice deal, over here it's €470, it's almost the same.
I got burn in on my focus; since then I've been very careful with my focus s and lumia. My best advice, besides the obvious of not leaving the screen on for extended periods, is to move your top 4 tiles around from time to time.
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I got burn in on my focus; since then I've been very careful with my focus s and lumia. My best advice, besides the obvious of not leaving the screen on for extended periods, is to move your top 4 tiles around from time to time.
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You mean you've got a burn in with your tiles on normal usage? Hmm, I'll be careful
Depends on what you mean by normal usage. I had my screen on high, 5 minute timeout. Sometimes I remembered to lock it, sometimes I didn't and it sat there for 5 minutes. I won't do that again ;-)
Yeah that's not good for AMOLED.
Lock time 1 minute won't cause a problem, I guess?
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Lock time 1 minute won't cause a problem, I guess?
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I doubt it, but at the very least I'd have it set to dim at 30 seconds just to be safe.
To OP, can you post some SS?
one of my phone was the omnia hd witch has the first AMOLED screen and after 2 years my screen is perfect, now i bought a lumia 800 but i still have the omnia hd and the screen is simply perfect.
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To OP, can you post some SS?
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I haven't been back to the Microsoft store. If I go back and take a look at it in the near future, I'll try to get a few pictures. Chances are I won't though because my Lumia's coming in the mail
Im having the same issue, but mines 10x worse. It started with a small dark patch in the corner but slowly spread and now I have a really severe burn-in of my messaging, complete with "April" and my girlfriends name and the keyboard burned into it.
Hello all,
Just got my Lumia 800 and it's awesome. However, I've noticed a little problem where the "white" on the screen distorts a bit.
If you go into the Office App, next to the big title font ("Notes", "Documents", "Locations") and slowly slide the screen or scroll the body text. I'm noticing that the white adjacent to the title font distorts a little bit. I'll shoot a video later, but this appears to happen whenever there is a white background.
Does anyone have something similar?
Thanks in advance
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Hello all,
Just got my Lumia 800 and it's awesome. However, I've noticed a little problem where the "white" on the screen distorts a bit.
If you go into the Office App, next to the big title font ("Notes", "Documents", "Locations") and slowly slide the screen or scroll the body text. I'm noticing that the white adjacent to the title font distorts a little bit. I'll shoot a video later, but this appears to happen whenever there is a white background.
Does anyone have something similar?
Thanks in advance
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When i first read this post I was skeptical, but then I checked and realized you're right...that's some weird stuff, it may have something to do with the pentile amoled, my gf's 710 (LCD) doesn't seem to do that.
It is indeed inherent to the screen type, my Nexus One did exactly the same, as does the Desire I have here.
Yep, looking at it closely you can actually see some very faint rainbow coloured lines on the sides of the text when it's displayed on a white background. This happens pretty much everywhere, even inside the xda app I'm using right now...
Yeah I guess if we're all having it, it's probably normal. Not ideal, but at least other aspects of the phone makes up for it
It's a little odd because it's not isolated to one part of the screen. It actually moves with the text.
It's normal behaviour and nothing to worry about. Amoled screens works like plasma TV's and it comes with its side effects such as "line bleeding" from text and other stuff.
Same thing Its irritates me very much. I wouldn't buy 800 if knew it. I bet that 900 won't suffer from the distortion
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Same thing Its irritates me very much. I wouldn't buy 800 if knew it. I bet that 900 won't suffer from the distortion
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Heh, at times I wish I bought the Titan: big LCD screen highly enjoyable for games and vids, less artifacts compared to a pentile AMOLED, better battery life, removable battery and possibility of putting on an extended unit. What actually pushed me miles away from it is how big and stupid things looked on an oversized 480x800 display: at the end of the day you don't see more text on the screen, you just see it BIGGER, it looks like a phone for visually impaired people
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Same thing Its irritates me very much. I wouldn't buy 800 if knew it. I bet that 900 won't suffer from the distortion
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It probably won't. The 900 has an AMOLED screen but it doesn't use a pentile matrix. The 800 has a slightly older AMOLED screen with one.
Samsung's Android devices have the same problem, Galaxy S - AMOLED pentile matrix. Galaxy S II - Super AMOLED no pentile.