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Coming from the nexus1, I really cannot put up with sense, but learning to live with it. However, may I ask if there will be a custom ROM that will provide the vanilla android experience (ala, no sense widgets, email, phone dialer, and so forth)? It's really disappointing that Verizon doesn't get any nexus phones, although if the Nexus S came to VZ with full LTE flavors, it would have been a win.
Completely agree. I've got Gingerbread on my N1 and love how fast and clean the UI is. Sprint will be getting the Nexus S on their 4G network, but it pales in comparison to Verizon's.
+1 for a stock, pure Google ROM
what25 said:
Coming from the nexus1, I really cannot put up with sense, but learning to live with it. However, may I ask if there will be a custom ROM that will provide the vanilla android experience (ala, no sense widgets, email, phone dialer, and so forth)? It's really disappointing that Verizon doesn't get any nexus phones, although if the Nexus S came to VZ with full LTE flavors, it would have been a win.
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You Can Try a Different Launcher like Launcher pro. Its Smooth and fast and looks more Vanilla ish on home screen. Plus you can adds more rows/columns for more apps on a single page. It can atleast Hold you off untill somthing good comes out.
Once HTC releases our source code CM7 will be available and we can all get back to vanilla.
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i use htc sensation and i was thinking of getting a sgs2 but i really love sense and i still love my phone.
i was wonderning if any of the sense as well as the os can be ported to sgs2
for example can htc sensation rom be used on sgs2 if yes then i would buy sgs2
the only reason i'm thinking of getting sgs2 is because of the screen Super amoled but my sensation has also very good screen and that is because of higher resoulation.
please reply back to me let me know if that can be done
Its not possible, sense cannot run on any Samsung phones only HTC. You also couldn't install a sensation ROM due to hardware differences
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As far as I am aware, there really isn't a way to get actual "sense" on anything other than a stock based HTC ROM, as the sense features are not open sourced, and function through deep integration with the HTC ROM. So will you see sense on an SGS2 - almost absolutely not.
That being said, the "look" and behavior of sense can be pretty closely replicated through the use of 3rd party launchers, themes, and apps. Your best bet to doing this would probably be to look through dev forums on HTC phones which have a CM7 or other non-HTC based ROM running on them, as some members have probably already tried to do this and posted the apps/themes etc. they are using.
You haven't mentioned any specific features of sense that you would "need" to have, so I guess you would need to narrow those down and see if you could find a suitable 3rd party replacement....
They are working on this port on the international gs2.... maybe follow them
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Stick my HTC if you really want Sense....
Not understanding all the Sense "hate" by people who know that it's HTC's trademark feature. Samsung has the Touchwiz and Motorola has their Motoblur...and HTC has Sense. But people talk about wanting a "pure Android experience"...What? The crappy basic icons that look as though a 5 yr old made them? What is a "pure Android experience" anyway? It's like buying a Mustang GT then *****ing about the GT and complaining to Ford that you want a "pure Mustang experience"...without the 5.0. If you want a "pure Android experience", why not purchase an LG Android device next time because they seem pretty basic instead of an HTC device with Sense. Isn't Sense the reason most of us were attracted to the device? We thought it was stylish and neat. It was the reason for me, anyway. The bottom line is that it just seems a bit ridiculous to purchase a device then complain about the devices main feature after KNOWING the feature is on the device. Hope those who compain about not wanting Sense on their HTC device find that "pure Android experience" they so desperately desire...let us know how it works out for ya. I personally like Sense and look forward to it's development. Cool story, eh?
Well....the borked bluetooth stack kinda sucks for one.
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Ok, not being a smartass, but what does that have to do with Sense? Wouldn't that be a device hardware issue? I really DON'T understand. I thought Sense was basically, in a nutchell, HTC's customization or am I off on this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Sense
"Pure Android Experience", meaning to have just the basic features."...People who want this, you guys have fun with your phones. (rolling eyes) May as well just go get an iPhone ;-)
Sense may look pretty, but it's one of the reasons why are stock batteries are awful!! I have 2 roms in the gsm thread, my senseless gingerdex and my gingerdex with sense.
My senseless rom gives me roughly 40-50% more battery life??? With the same kernel and setup on both.
There is about 70mb of sense related bloatware I removed.
I like the sense, however it's sluggish and slows down our phones.
Wait till you try a aosp rom the speed is scary fast, and I like to customize my phone, for me with sense gone, I have no choice but to roam the app market and completely create my own unique look.
Just my opinion
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Ok, not being a smartass, but what does that have to do with Sense? Wouldn't that be a device hardware issue? I really DON'T understand. I thought Sense was basically, in a nutchell, HTC's customization or am I off on this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Sense
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It has to do with Sense because it's Sense-specific. HTC uses some weird implementation of Bluetooth so it doesn't always work properly. AOSP roms don't have this issue, generally.
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HTC screwed up Bluetooth. These guys aren't making it up. Throw an AOSP ROM on the 3d and it sounds great. On sense it sounds like garbage.
That's my primary beef with sense. Fix Bluetooth or give us a standard AOSP rom
Ok, I get the battery and bluetooth issue. Thanks for your input guys. I've wanted to root my phone but I have HBOOT 1.5 and it seems to be just a hassle anymore in addition to not wanting to flash a ROM that doesn't have everything working, so screw it.
Im pretty sure the biggest feature of this phone is not sense and most likely is the 3d. wether or not thats the reason you bought it that is this phones mightiest point.
However neither of these are the reasons i bought this phone, i bought it cause it has a good hardware design and the specs are all top notch.
And yes I ABSOLUTELY despise Sense and its lack of customizability.
Sense is good for some people and bad for others. I personally love it, but I still run AOSP just as often as I do Sense. Options are never a bad thing, and Sense is maturing finely. The next generation should improve on battery life with quad cores and sleeker Sense versions.
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Well stated, Sora. I get it now. Thanks
I gotta say I prefer sense I like some of the features it has...
I would be running CM if they were pumpin roms out but due to the 3D part of the camera going away can't say I would be using it for long..
Anyway sense isn't bad has some ups and downs...
Samsung touch wiz sucks lol man I never liked it on the EPIC...
Never tried the Photon.. So I can't say much about it...
Been liking Fresh Rom battery life is great on it since most of the junk bloat was pulled..... No issues...
What bluetooth issue are you guys referring to? I use my jaybird freedoms and everything works great
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Personally I like sense, but it is far from perfect. Bluetooth is finnicky and doesn't work with a six axis controller, sense in general is a very obese implementation of android which generally slows everything down, the screen drivers seem very buggy, etc.
Generally everything works on it, but it's far from perfect. I have a feeling ICS will be a huge upgrade all around though as they've had plenty of time to refine everything for this hardware.
Gotta say this was enlightening. I have heard people show utter disdain for sense and didn't really know why. I like it myself but to each his own.
Sounds like OP is just pissed he's a 1.5'er. And don't ever compare a pure android experience to an iPhone. Shame on you
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My 2 cents
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Sounds like OP is just pissed he's a 1.5'er. And don't ever compare a pure android experience to an iPhone. Shame on you
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You get a thanks just for stating that "don't ever compare" part.
My 2 cents on this, I switch between Sense and custom LAUNCHERS often, tried Nemus Launcher, Go Launcher and ADW in the past. Can't say which is the best. Never had a custom ROM so far so can't compare performance under Sense with performance on custom ROMs, but I'd imagine the customs would run faster without all the Sense bloatware.
At the moment, I'm just waiting for ICS upgrade, after which I'll unlock, root and back up the NAND for Sense 4.0... and then on to get some custom ROM goodness hehe!
I hate Sense. I like HTC devices.
Sense is bloated and totally inefficient. It's also locked down in too many ways.
I prefer ADW Launcher + Android Pro Widgets. I feel it's snappier with more customization options, and it doesn't affect my battery life.
I go from an HTC Sense ROM to a Senseless ROM and my battery life goes through the roof.
Because it sucks?
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I used to downright despise sense, but that's because HTC put a bloated, slow operating system on a really slow phone (I'm talking about the HTC Hero CDMA here, my first android). The only ROMs I ever ran on my Hero were CM6 and CM7 nightlies because those were the only ROMs my phone could handle without lagging way behind me (i.e. on sense, I could type fast enough on my hero that I'd get multiple words ahead of what the screen was displaying).
HOWEVER I've fallen in love with sense now that I have my Evo 3D, because the hardware is so much better in this phone that the phone can actually handle running it's own OS smoothly now.
ICS is pretty awesome from the few ICS ROMs I've tried, but I'm sticking with sense for stability, a working camera, and the battery life (I'm running infectedROM eternity and the battery life is amazing on that ROM)
I love sense WOULDN'T BUY AN HTC MOBILE WITHOUT IT.
This discussion started as a question in one of the CM10 threads asking how users that want an AOSP experience over HTC Sense as a daily driver wound up with the Evo 3D. It then began evolving into a debate about Sense versus AOSP so I thought it would be a good idea to move it out of that thread. Please keep it civil here or I'm sure the mods will close this thread, as I would expect them to do.
I'll start off by saying I really don't mind Sense and like the direction it has taken with the 4.x releases, so I don't consider it a compromise to run Sense ROM's to take advantage of more features of the Evo 3D. OTOH, I like to run AOSP ROM's to see what future versions of Android are bringing to our devices, and the simplicity of the AOSP interface is a pleasant change of pace, not to mention things like ParanoidAndroid that aren't available for Sense ROM's.
Here's another Sense user's experience using AOSP.
I'm not sure yet what my next device will be which is one of the reasons I'm interested in this discussion. If everyone else has heard enough in the CM10 thread already, just ignore this one and it will go away in a day or two.
ramjet73
In terms of look and design, AOSP>Sense (graphic designer here). Sense may look flashy and "poppy" but it's the same look that HTC incorporated with in the original WinMo version of sense known as TouchFlo back in 2008 I believe. Back then, this style was all the craze and was fitting for it's time, hence the design style of iOS on the original iPhone, which has also not changed. But that was nearly five years ago, and design style and standards have changed. Google has done a great job of keeping up to date with design by keeping things "clean" by minimizing fake shadows, gradients, and object that are given false dimension. In my opinion, Windows Phone is designed extremely well and is, in some ways, setting the standard on UI design, just look at how it carried that look over to Windows 8 and what MySpace's new look is like. It's all about simplicity. As a graphic designer, I cannot stand the look of Sense; it's dated and overly designed. But unfortunately, I bet that HTC (just like Apple) won't reconsider a major UI overhaul do to recognizability and brand association with Sense. All of this is just just my personal opinion though, and each is entitled their own
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In terms of look and design, AOSP>Sense (graphic designer here). Sense may look flashy and "poppy" but it's the same look that HTC incorporated with in the original WinMo version of sense known as TouchFlo back in 2008 I believe. Back then, this style was all the craze and was fitting for it's time, hence the design style of iOS on the original iPhone, which has also not changed. But that was nearly five years ago, and design style and standards have changed. Google has done a great job of keeping up to date with design by keeping things "clean" by minimizing fake shadows, gradients, and object that are given false dimension. In my opinion, Windows Phone is designed extremely well and is, in some ways, setting the standard on UI design, just look at how it carried that look over to Windows 8 and what MySpace's new look is like. It's all about simplicity. As a graphic designer, I cannot stand the look of Sense; it's dated and overly designed. But unfortunately, I bet that HTC (just like Apple) won't reconsider a major UI overhaul do to recognizability and brand association with Sense. All of this is just just my personal opinion though, and each is entitled their own
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i think i have to agree with that, sense is just too much trying to be accomplished graphically on a 4inch phone. yeah the animations are nice, but they arent worth slowing down your phone. you have a phone to do the things you need it to do, the rest is just bonus.
then again, im also a person who uses the classic theme on windows 7 despite having a decent computer to run aero and still run tons of programs at once.
last point, google has come a long way and you're finally able to see that when they released gingerbread. sense 3.0 w/ gingerbread was probably the last sense that i liked that was released otr for our phones because gingerbread was just repulsive. sense 4.0 i love because it's cleaner than the previous, and really snappy. but it's still sense and you get tired of it.
htc makes solid phones, but their os is starting to turn me away. but until samsung makes phones that arent plastic. ill forever use my 3vo and flash aosp roms.
It's funny how everyone on HTC phones hates sense (except me and a few others), yet people on samsung and LG beg for sense...
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Let me throw this out for the people that prefer the AOSP look.
Given the changes in the Sense 4.x versions is HTC Sense still salvageable as an enhancement to AOSP or should HTC scrap it and convert it's widgets, which seem to be the most popular part of Sense, to work with Trebuchet and other launchers?
If HTC actually builds a Nexus phone, we may get a chance to vote with our dollars (or whatever currency you use).
ramjet73
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It's funny how everyone on HTC phones hates sense (except me and a few others), yet people on samsung and LG beg for sense...
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Man I am a die hard sense fan in my mind I don't think nothing else compares to it
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I got the evo 3D because I though sense was awesome. After a month I got bored and missed AOSP sooo much
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Reason why I bought the EVO was for sense, always liked it always will
( Don't ask me for help, as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh!!!)
I originally got the evo 3d because at the time I thought sense 3.0 was awsome it looked cool as hell. As well as it was one of the best phones sprint carried at the time. But then after a month or so I couldn't stand it and I went on the search for aosp or as close to it as I could get. My next device will definitely be a nexus device. Not only because I dislike sense at this point but because of the hell we went through waiting for ics and source code.
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Sense is "pretty" and ya all the ROMs have working cam but aosp just has so much more freedom. Only time I'm rocking sense is when I'm taking a pic
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As others have said, first off, I like the "tweakability" of AOSP when compared to sense. Much more freedom to do what I want and this expands with CM, AOKP, and other special builds.
Second, the simplicity and streamlining of AOSP is *far* superior to anything that sense has to offer. I'm not a graphic designer, but I am a photographer so I'd say that, at the very least, I have an eye for the aesthetics of things around me. AOSP, in its newer iterations (namely, ICS and AOSP - since the new standards were introduced) has a ridiculous amount of polish and aesthetic appeal when compared to pretty much any other Android offering.
I understand that aesthetics are a completely subjective thing. A lot of people here seem to like very flashy stuff - gold-themed roms, animated 3d spinning boot screens, really bright colors, outrageous text, biohazard signs, etc. That's not my cup-of-tea personally, but if you're into that stuff I can see why you might not like AOSP.
Finally, It was incredibly hard to predict exactly what would happen concerning our phones and AOSP. When I picked up my Evo 3D, I was a huge fan of HTC hardware after owning a Mytouch 3G as my first android phone and having it survive two large water accidents. I assumed that great devs would eventually get AOSP working on it and I was ok living with Sense until that happened.
Nothing against Sense, I'm sure there are plenty of reasons for people to like it, but I've spent over a year with both (I very recently switched back to AOSP on my 3D) and I heavily prefer AOSP.
I like sense its not horrible. and the things I've seen done with it through chubbzs ports of 4.0 and 4.1 But I've had sense for quite awhile and I like the simplicity and tweakage of aosp Aokp cm and CnA. It's just different and I'm looking for something different. I know sense is going to be more stable and more functional but I'm willing to deal with a much less stable Rom just for something different. It makes my phone feel like a new phone and its a little smoother IMO
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I'm definitely not married to Sense anymore. When I first got my Evo 4G I really liked it, but once 4G was implemented into AOSP I flashed it and ran AOSP for months. Only going back to Sense once in a while. My Old EVO 4G is back on a Sense ROM though, Karma 7.7.7 (if I remember it right.)
Sense 4 is much sleeker and faster and I wish it was complete. If things weren't broken, I would be all over a Sense 4 ROM. But, I'd do the same on AOSP if there was a complete build of that. Ultimately, that is what keeps me on 3.6. Not it's style, look, how bloated it is (and it does have some heft.) But the fact that everything works, I can't stand not having everything worked that I paid for, whether I use them daily or not.
i liked sense 3.0 when it first came out. it was new and cool. it's still ok to be honest. but i miss AOSP. the newer versions of sense are nice as well but i just refuse to sacrifice 4G. i dont really mind losing 3D. never really used it. and i know 4G doesnt really work on any AOSP roms either. so i just desensify sense based roms to get as close to AOSP as i can. i was using CM9 on an old Droid X i inherited and i loved it. i wish we had a fully functioning CM build....
I really like Sense and I really like AOSP. (especially since ICS) the only possible way to ever choose between both was to own an HTC Device running sense. So that's what I've done since the Hero days. (Granite you needed AOSP for that device)
You can't buy a nexus device, and expect to get Sense on it, but you can buy a Sense device and get AOSP ROM's for it.
I like both, and the ability to choose. That's why I chose the EVO 3D (and HTC phones in general)
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I really like Sense and I really like AOSP. (especially since ICS) the only possible way to ever choose between both was to own an HTC Device running sense. So that's what I've done since the Hero days. (Granite you needed AOSP for that device)
You can't buy a nexus device, and expect to get Sense on it, but you can buy a Sense device and get AOSP ROM's for it.
I like both, and the ability to choose. That's why I chose the EVO 3D (and HTC phones in general)
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That's actually a really good way to look at it. You can get both on HTC and you can't anywhere else. I don't see many people clammering for TouchWiz on an LG. lol
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That's actually a really good way to look at it. You can get both on HTC and you can't anywhere else. I don't see many people clammering for TouchWiz on an LG. lol
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this may sound bad.....
but i actually would like to see touchwiz on an htc device one day. i just wanna experience touchwiz for like a week or so without having to buy a plastic contain to hold all my phone's parts
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this may sound bad.....
but i actually would like to see touchwiz on an htc device one day. i just wanna experience touchwiz for like a week or so without having to buy a plastic contain to hold all my phone's parts
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There's a rom with touchwiz on the og evo .. I actually liked it when I had my og evo a few months back
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this may sound bad.....
but i actually would like to see touchwiz on an htc device one day. i just wanna experience touchwiz for like a week or so without having to buy a plastic contain to hold all my phone's parts
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Have at it!
Here's a port of the Galaxy S3 version that's been tested with ICS on the Evo 3D and here's an overview of the S3 version.
If you Google around a bit you should be able to find some TouchWiz widgets as well.
ramjet73
I like sense but it is heavy and uses more battery compared to aosp. I like aosp too and I prefer it! Is more light, smooth and I like the android grapich
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Hey guys,
I know the nexus version of the HTC One (T-mobile) is coming out in a few days but was wondering whether there is anything I would be missing out on if I had the nexus version.
Even upon doing lots of research, it seems like Sense 5 is very good but I wanted your guy's experiences. (ex: one of the links I read:
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/121382-htc-one-google-edition-vs-htc-one-what-s-the-difference)
Is there any advantage of waiting for the nexus version of the HTC One (T-mobile) and the current version? What are the things I should consider?
I was looking around at the ROMs for the T-Mobile HTC One, and none of them seemed to have Sense 5...so is sense really that bad / worse than stock?
Thanks so much!
You'll miss so much if you buy the regular Tmobile One! You'll miss not having Zoe, blinkfeed, wifi calling, htc remote, and all the sense improvements that you can easily disable by simply flashing a different rom...
I think it's silly that they made a vanilla One, you get the same phone but none of the surprisingly nice software that HTC made for it. It's like buying a "special" pair of shoes, and by "special" I mean they don't come with shoelaces.
I have used the HTC remote feature several times once set up works perfectly, also I don't think the camera will be as good seeing as technically it is 4.3mp with out the software enhancements it might be crappy as well the WiFi calling comes in handy so much and I had the nexus 4 on T-Mobile HTC one in my opinion is smoother than stock which is hard to find they did really well with every aspect of this phone
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Hm.
But I was worried about the fact that updates are super slow to come from Tmobile.
We aren't even at 4.2.2 yet and if Sense 5 is so great how come we don't have Sense 5 roms in the development sections? (side note, what is "android development" vs "ORIGINAL android development").
I figured if Sense 5 was so good and better than stock, then we would have lots of Sense 5 roms.
Thanks!
There are a lot of sense 5 roms,And good ones I've been using sense 5 roms running 4.2.2 and couldn't be happier,a few good ones to check out are (venom)vipor, trickdroid, sentinel,opencoin plus quite a few more these are just the ones I ran and use the venom as my daily driver and love it so much this Rom is so customizable it'll blow your mind and stable,fast I just live it plus great dev abd support again I wouldnt give up my ir,camera software,BoomSound plus more for vanilla android
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There are a lot of sense 5 roms,And good ones I've been using sense 5 roms running 4.2.2 and couldn't be happier,a few good ones to check out are (venom)vipor, trickdroid, sentinel,opencoin plus quite a few more these are just the ones I ran and use the venom as my daily driver and love it so much this Rom is so customizable it'll blow your mind and stable,fast I just live it plus great dev abd support again I wouldnt give up my ir,camera software,BoomSound plus more for vanilla android
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I see...do the M7 roms work or are you referring to our roms in the T-mobile HTC One sections? (I guess when I searched the titles and front pages of the roms, I didn't find anything when I searched "sense").
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I see...do the M7 roms work or are you referring to our roms in the T-mobile HTC One sections? (I guess when I searched the titles and front pages of the roms, I didn't find anything when I searched "sense").
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M7 is the proper name for our phones just go under HTC one in the forums not specific tmobile HTC one most are for all carriers except sprint but it'll tell u I love the vipor rom
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RepusJonathan said:
Hey guys,
I know the nexus version of the HTC One (T-mobile) is coming out in a few days but was wondering whether there is anything I would be missing out on if I had the nexus version.
Even upon doing lots of research, it seems like Sense 5 is very good but I wanted your guy's experiences. (ex: one of the links I read:
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/121382-htc-one-google-edition-vs-htc-one-what-s-the-difference)
Is there any advantage of waiting for the nexus version of the HTC One (T-mobile) and the current version? What are the things I should consider?
I was looking around at the ROMs for the T-Mobile HTC One, and none of them seemed to have Sense 5...so is sense really that bad / worse than stock?
Thanks so much!
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Well, you can do what I did... and I really like Sense 5 with one exception: we can only scroll left to right, and right to left. No continuous scroll. So I installed Nova Launcher, the sunbeam live wallpaper, and an analog clock. Look and feel is like GPE, but I still have an icon to get into blink feed, And I still have Zoe and Video highlights.
Try it.
-T