Hi guys just wanted to let you know I found a way to get a working free mobile hotspot from Big Red using the same method as the Bionic's (thanx to who ever found this). Anyway I made a quick video for the the Razr. As for those wondering about Big Red watching you, I used 43 gb last month and 32 gb so far this month Also here's an article from XDA about throttling legalities on 4g networks. Can't say for sure, I'm no lawyer but it looks legit.
Worked perfectly. Thanks!
Your account can be flagged, and Verizon can either sue you for illegally using (read: stealing) their services, throttle you permanently, or just be nice and just tack on the tethering price to your monthly bill without telling you.
This is illegal, don't do it.
looks like you copied zedomax post man...
i am 1addictsad78 and i just found a way to resolve to endless loop by changing the MTU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdTOOfogAaU
So, we should stay away from this procedure???
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Your account can be flagged, and Verizon can either sue you for illegally using (read: stealing) their services, throttle you permanently, or just be nice and just tack on the tethering price to your monthly bill without telling you.
This is illegal, don't do it.
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This is NOT illegal, in my mind, if you have payed for a certain amount of data. You are not stealing their services because hot spotting is NOT their service. It is a a feature built into your phone that they blocked so they could charge you extra. Period. Even if this was illegal, you can always root and install a tethering app. At that point, I'd like to see them explain why this is still a service provided by then.
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Your account can be flagged, and Verizon can either sue you for illegally using (read: stealing) their services, throttle you permanently, or just be nice and just tack on the tethering price to your monthly bill without telling you.
This is illegal, don't do it.
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You are probably correct. I changed the setting back after testing because I don't need any legal issues (or an increase in my bill), but for people who don't care or think they won't get caught, the procedure at least appears sound...
i have a massive data when i started using the thunderbolt with open garden tether. I'm a netflix guy and use as a modem to my apartment for over 6months and never get flagged. now i have the droid razr doing this Verizon hotspot too.
grandfathered rules!
It's not a matter of legality. It's not illegal.
It's a matter of ethics. Are you willing to break the Terms of Service that you signed agreement with when you bought the service? And are you willing to deal with Verizon's reaction when they find out? If they add a tether charge to your account, you earned it.
@ x2breakoffate, you have paid for unlimited phone data. You have not paid for ANY tether data. They sold it to you with the data blocked. If you didn't like that you should not have bought a phone that was crippled.
What you offered is a lame attempt to make yourself feel better, not a justification.
If any of you would read the full post and the associated links, you would know about the Block C provision. I've used it for a couple months on the Bionic and had no problems.
@ ad78.....I'm sorry it wasn't clearly stated that this was not my own work and I copied it from the Bionic
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Hi guys just wanted to let you know I found a way to get a working free mobile hotspot from Big Red using the same method as the Bionic's (thanx to who ever found this).
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@ everyone else: Stated I am no lawyer but I can say for those like me on the UNLIMITED DATA PLAN, yes I think it's BS that they lock down the devices and limit tethering to a usb. As posted earlier http://goo.gl/cL3L1 it is illegal under Block C to limit or throttle 4g devices.
You can throttle Block C devices for reasonable network management reasons (you using a 100 GB of data per month and therefore causing data congestion is one of those reasons).
And yes, it is illegal to use a paid service without paying for it.
I could tap into DirectTV's cable service and use it for free somehow, or get channels that I'm not paying for...is it simply a moral dilemma because they lock it down "simply because they want to charge me money" for them?
Terms of use aren't just a wall of text there because they want to put it there, it's a legally binding document that you AGREED to (which is the equivalent of signing). They CAN sue you for "pirating" their officially branded tethering service on their network. That's what you're doing. You're disabling the check in THEIR software to make sure you have the tethering plan, and you're using THEIR officially branded service, through THEM, without paying THEM. That is illegal.
The only difference between this and pirating a version of Microsoft Office and disabling the serial check is the fact that it's more easily monitored since all of the stolen data you're sending is going through their servers, possibly with something attached that tells Verizon that you're tethering.
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you have paid for unlimited phone data. You have not paid for ANY tether data.
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There is no difference to phone data and tether data.
It's all just information sent by the TCP-IP protocol.
It is like buying a book, but you are only allowed to read it outside because you have not payed for the ability to read it by artificial light.
Its still stealing bottom line. If you can afford a smartphone you should be able to afford internet at home or just pay extra for a tethering plan.
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But in order for this to not count towards you're data is if you're on the grandfather plan and rooted right? Cuz if ur on a 4gb plan then you're data would count correct?
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With a net income of over 3 billion, I don't think it hurts them that much from the very few root user users and even fewer heavy 4g users.
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But in order for this to not count towards you're data is if you're on the grandfather plan and rooted right? Cuz if ur on a 4gb plan then you're data would count correct?
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Not sure what you mean. Basically I was grandfathered in on 3g unlimited so I fell into the unlimited 4g plan. Yes you have to be rooted to use this.
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Not sure what you mean. Basically I was grandfathered in on 3g unlimited so I fell into the unlimited 4g plan. Yes you have to be rooted to use this.
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Yea I meant the unlimited data plan. That's the only way you can use the tether hack because if your not on the unlimited data then if you use this hack you're data will count right?
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or you could just download the latest android wifi tether app from google. it works perfectly.
pajn said:
There is no difference to phone data and tether data.
It's all just information sent by the TCP-IP protocol.
It is like buying a book, but you are only allowed to read it outside because you have not payed for the ability to read it by artificial light.
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No, it's like buying basic cable and expecting to get all of the channels. It's all just data sent by the cable line after all!!!
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With a net income of over 3 billion, I don't think it hurts them that much from the very few root user users and even fewer heavy 4g users.
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Right, let's just all steal food from Walmart, it's a multi-billion dollar retail chain, it won't hurt much.
Honestly, if you're going to tether, at least use a 3rd party app. Using their software to steal free service is like peeing on a cop car and expecting to get away with it.
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No, it's like buying basic cable and expecting to get all of the channels. It's all just data sent by the cable line after all!!!
Right, let's just all steal food from Walmart, it's a multi-billion dollar retail chain, it won't hurt much.
Honestly, if you're going to tether, at least use a 3rd party app. Using their software to steal free service is like peeing on a cop car and expecting to get away with it.
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Ok but if you use a 3rd party app to tether its still using your data allowence right?
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I do not mind the pricing of the phone. The only pricing I cannot seem to comprehend is the $45 dollar data plan that is required.
The plan is 2GB, same as AT&T's $25 dollar plan... Even the iPhone gets this same plan.
Why jack up the price on the ATRIX?
Pretty sure that's only if you pick up tethering.
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Is it possible to buy this phone off-contract?
If you're just getting the phone and nothing else (no tethering), does it still require you to change stuff on your account? (would I have to give up my unlimited data for some retarded ATT reason?)
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If you're just getting the phone and nothing else (no tethering), does it still require you to change stuff on your account? (would I have to give up my unlimited data for some retarded ATT reason?)
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I don't know for sure but I would think so.
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Pretty sure that's only if you pick up tethering.
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This.
If you are getting the $45 data plan price from a certain article on theandroidblog.com - it is either a typo, or the writer just didn't know what he/she was talking about.
The official press release/article with the ATT exec stated in the applicable terms that a minimum data plan of $15 is required.
Think about it. I don't know anyone that would pay $45 for 2gb of data.
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Is it possible to buy this phone off-contract?
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A couple of places already are advertising $599 without contract, so apparently it will be available just like every other phone.
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If you're just getting the phone and nothing else (no tethering), does it still require you to change stuff on your account? (would I have to give up my unlimited data for some retarded ATT reason?)
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AT&T is coding the Webtop app to require a tethering plan to use it on the AT&T network.
If you are ignoring the docks / Webtop use, you can ignore the tethering and keep your current plan.
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AT&T is coding the Webtop app to require a tethering plan to use it on the AT&T network.
If you are ignoring the docks / Webtop use, you can ignore the tethering and keep your current plan.
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This is all conjecture. I haven't seen anything that claims this on any news/blog/rumor site anywhere except people making weird claims on the forums.
The $45 tethering plan will get you an additional 2GB of data come February 13th for a total of 4GB.
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Ok, so the article on The Android Blog was mistyped. That is a relief. a 45 dollar plan would deter anyone from the phone. $25 is better... if only I could keep my nonsmartphone Unlimited plan for $10. :/
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This is all conjecture. I haven't seen anything that claims this on any news/blog/rumor site anywhere except people making weird claims on the forums.
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You need to search a little harder. There are a lot of news sites reporting the pricing. Click HERE for one of them.
Under the section titled "Motorola ATRIX™ 4G" you find this sentence in the third paragraph "The first combines ATRIX 4G and the Motorola Laptop Dock for a promotional price of $499.99 after a two-year service contract and $100 mail-in-rebate after subscription to Data Pro smartphone data plan and tethering add on.". This indicates that to get the package deal you have to sign up for the Data Pro plan which is $25 and the tethering add on which is an additional $20.
If you go down to the quotes section under #3 you see this "Laptop Dock - Firefox browser use with AT&T Mobile Broadband requires Tethering Plan.
". #4 of the same section is indicating that tethered devices require the DataPro Tethering Plan (which at&t could also call using the HD dock tethering).
So all in all, if you're buying the phone by itself, you don't need to change your data plan if you currently have a smartphone data plan. If you are buying one of the docks, be cautious, as they will more than likely require you to change it.
Now here is my speculation on why at&t stated this pricing to news groups and not on their website. They are hoping that the pricing of the atrix will convince a large majority of the people that were excited about it to change their mind and purchase the inspire 4g that comes out next week. They will then release a statement on their website with "revised pricing". Again, my speculation.
Mike, that's still your interpretation of it all. I hear where you're coming from, but it isn't final yet.
ATT told me, both on their Facebook page and from a PR contact, that the HD dock doesn't require the tethering plan. I'm awaiting more detail before I do a more thorough write up on it.
Your last argument about changing pricing purposefully doesn't make much business sense. No one likes to operate in a manner in which they appear to be inept. Do they do it? Sure. Purposefully? I highly doubt it.
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It doesn't require the tethering plan if you stay in Wifi mode when you're docked. Firefox browser use with AT&T Mobile Broadband requires Tethering Plan.
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It doesn't require the tethering plan if you stay in Wifi mode when you're docked. Firefox browser use with AT&T Mobile Broadband requires Tethering Plan.
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Again, that comment is preceded by "3 - Laptop Dock". When asked specifically about tethering and the HD dock (that also uses webtop and firefox), AT&T has said tethering is not required. I have inquired as to the reasoning behind this, and what it all really means. They have yet to respond with anything more than "we'll get back to you as soon as we can".
Is it true that if you use the wifi tether app verizon won't know that you're tethering?
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I ran 20 gigs through my phone last month on wireless tether and I never heard anything.
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Is it true that if you use the wifi tether app verizon won't know that you're tethering?
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Even if they somehow can, if you have the unlimited data plan then they can't do or say anything. Its an application on the official Android Market, and in your contract there is no clause stating you can't tether your phone. So you're in the clear brutha
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Even if they somehow can, if you have the unlimited data plan then they can't do or say anything. Its an application on the official Android Market, and in your contract there is no clause stating you can't tether your phone. So you're in the clear brutha
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I'm sure they can still say something. Most "unlimited" plans with ISPs have an "acceptable use" clause (which is completely within their discretion) so if they feel you are abusing the service they can still cancel your service. It's kinda BS but that's contracts for ya.
Whether they can prove you are tethering or not excessive data is excessive data and is probably enough to throw up a flag for them to give it another look.
Either way, if you need it...may as well do it till you get called out instead of worrying about something that may never happen. You can probably make an argument/plee on the first accusation anyway.
Ive done over 15 gigs and i still have about 15 days or so left on this bill. Most of it was spent on nonstop Netflix for about 7-8 hours a day minus the weekends.
which apps are you guys using?
I can't seem to get one that doesn't launch the verizon tether app.
That and my xoom won't see the freebies app.
I'm on course to clear 25gig by the end of my billing period. Not a peep outta them! The app is called wireless tether. Get it on XDA.
They can tell but they would have to disect your data, may be some privacy issues involved. Most carriers are still figuring out how to approach it. Expect them to "attempt" to aggressively combat this soon.
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in your contract there is no clause stating you can't tether your phone. So you're in the clear brutha
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You're making things up.
Data Plans & Features - Terms & Conditions
Data Services: Prohibited Uses
Customers who do not have dedicated Mobile Broadband devices cannot tether other devices to laptops or personal
computers for use as wireless modems unless they subscribe to Mobile Broadband Connect. We further reserve the right to take measures to protect our network and other users from harm, compromised capacity or degradation in performance. These measures may impact your service, and we reserve the right to deny, modify or terminate service, with or without notice, to anyone we believe is using Data Plans or Features in a manner that adversely impacts our network.
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- Data Plans & Features - Terms & Conditions - Verizon Wireless Support
@mike
I believe that those of us who are grandfathered into the old unlimited data plan do not share that restriction on our contract, but i could be wrong. However, when I posted that, I had read through the contract, and i didnt see that. So please, take this time to chill out
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@mike
I believe that those of us who are grandfathered into the old unlimited data plan do not share that restriction on our contract, but i could be wrong.
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No, they can change the contract at any time. But no matter, the older contract said basically the same thing:
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Unlimited Smartphone and BlackBerry Plans and Features
These Wireless Email plans and features cannot be used: (1) for access to the Internet, intranets or other data networks except as the device’s native applications and capabilities permit, unless you subscribe to Mobile Broadband Connect; or (2) for any applications that tether your device to laptops or personal computers other than for use of the Wireless Sync or the BlackBerry solution, unless you subscribe to Mobile BroadbandConnect.
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Ok here's my scenario...I have the grandfathered unlimited data plan from At&t and I made a point of them making a note in my account before I purchased the SGS2. I rooted my phone and installed Cognition soon after. I attempted to tether before I rooted etc because the option was present while on stock, but of course a pop up appeared saying that I need to change my plan blah blah blah. Once rooted, I didn't tether because I really haven't had the need to yet...because I have wifi in my home. I will admit that I do consume a lot of data...particularly streaming and downloading content (such as roms etc directly to my device)...but that's the point of 4G unlimited data, correct? And even then a lot of the time I'm connected to wifi at home. The only thing I did differently was tried some APN settings that I seen on Android Central which were supposedly giving other SGSII users better download and upload speeds by connecting to the "backhaul". It was actually worse. So I receive an email saying that if they catch me tethering again, they will change my data plan on their own. So my question is, since I haven't actually tethered, could my actual data usage triggered the message...or since I attempted to tether...or or the APN changing...and how could I prevent them from changing it?
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Ill tell you what, if you edit this into at least 3 readable paragraphs, I promise to give you a decent response.
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I think a phone call to att should solve your issue. If they did put you on a tethering plan, they can undo it. But, you may need to get a supervisor if the unlimited plan has been removed.
From what I understand you get warned at least once before they make any changes.
Also, story perfectly understandable to me as is.
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I think a phone call to att should solve your issue. If they did put you on a tethering plan, they can undo it. But, you may need to get a supervisor if the unlimited plan has been removed.
From what I understand you get warned at least once before they make any changes.
Also, story perfectly understandable to me as is.
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See how your post had 3 easily readable paragraphs and sentences? That's what I was referring to. His wall of text hurts my brain. Maybe its because I'm reading from the app.
But then again I wouldn't expect you to understand much of anything judging by the majority of your posts on this site.
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See how your post had 3 easily readable paragraphs and sentences? That's what I was referring to. His wall of text hurts my brain. Maybe its because I'm reading from the app.
But then again I wouldn't expect you to understand much of anything judging by the majority of your posts on this site.
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Wow ... you really are living up to the nickname you had in the Atrix forum. What was it again, "third rate troll"?
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Wow ... you really are living up to the nickname you had in the Atrix forum. What was it again, "third rate troll"?
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I'm not hijacking this guys thread anymore than we already have. If you want to argue with me (and be destroyed in every imaginable way) then go ahead and shoot me a pm.
To answer the original posters questions. Att can only send you warnings about tethering if they catch on. You can do things that wont raise any flags on their end such as using less data for less lengths of time.
A better alternanative would be to mask your device id. I'm not aware of any apps that can do it on Android but PDA net can do it for Apple. Maybe someone else can Chime in on an app.
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If you do tether, it was claimed in the Captivate forum that att sniff out the browser agent for Internet Explorer, so to avoid detection to use Google Chrome, or another browser.
But, if you haven't actually tethered I would start with a call to att customer service. If they flagged your account, you should be able to sort it out over the phone.
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If tethering, either by device or plan feature, was specifically included in the plan you were grandfathered from you should be fine. If it wasn't specifically called out as included they'll charge you for the add-on. You can't grandfather something that didn't exist. In other words, if "unlimited data" didn't specifically apply to tethering and tethering as a feature was introduced afterward you'll have to pay for it.
OP, are you using the stock GSII browser? If not, that could be the culprit. As stated above, they're basing it off the browser agent. Call and say you're using a market browser with Mozilla as browser agent. That should help your case later if they end up jerking you around.
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As stated above, they're basing it off the browser agent.
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They use heuristics to sniff packet data for suspect traffic. While it's not 100%accurate, they hold the cards and it's up to you to prove your innocence.
No one knows what the new heuristics are - but something in your post-root non-tethering data usage probably set off a false positive.
Apparently a few others have had false positives and no one knows the true triggers. Good chance that mangling your browser useragent is one of them.
Call them and complain that you received a nastygram despite not attempting to tether after the app blocked it.
I have been using unlimited data for a few years. I tethered with my iphone. Used MyWi, and then PDAnet. I was contacted by them concerning my 'illegal' use of tethering.
A few weeks ago, I switched from the Iphone to the GSII. Rooted it, and almost IMMEDIATELY got a text message saying that tethering has been added to my contract and that I lost my unlimited data.
Am I screwed here? I don't think tethering existed when I signed my original contract with unlimited data.... Can I get this back?
I do apologize if anyone felt my OP was lengthy, but I was at work and I just wanted to cover all sides of the situation just in case I couldn't respond at the time.
I use the stock browser on Cognition to surf and stream to my video player, and Opera Mobile when downloading from Filesonic, etc.
I was mainly trying to get and idea of what might becausing the flag so I would know which route to go when I do call into ATT. I don't want to receive a bill in a month or so and have to battle them then. The tethering plan wasn't included in the grandfathered Unlimited data plan, but I actually did "abuse" it for a while with my Captivate before I got my DSL installed in my new apartment.
I was just thinking that this could have possibly been some sort of scare tactic on behalf of AT&T because of my current data usage, and it was a preemptive action to contain the abuse of their already spotty 4G network.
Also, I wanted myself and any others who have had this experience to control and prevent future occurrences.
I have a friend that works for Verizon wireless and he told me that he received information from a tech that when you call into the tech support, they can get some of the details of your current rom...and conclude whether or not you are rooted, etc...how true this is idk...
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Dear xxx xxx,
We've noticed your service plan may need updating.
Many AT&T customers use their smartphones as a broadband connection for other devices, like laptops, netbooks or other smartphones– a practice commonly known as tethering. Tethering can be an efficient way for our customers to enjoy the benefits of AT&T's mobile broadband network and use more than one device to stay in touch with important people and information. To take advantage of this feature, we require that in addition to a data plan, you also have a tethering plan.
Our records show that you use this capability, but are not subscribed to our tethering plan. If you would like to continue tethering, please log into your account online at www.wireless.att.com , or call us at 866-975-0005, Monday -Friday, 7 a.m. - 9 p.m. CT, or Saturday, 8 a.m. - 7 p.m. CT, to sign up for the DataPro 4GB for Smartphone Tethering plan or the DataPro Enterprise 4GB for Smartphone Tethering plan.
If we don't hear from you, we'll plan to automatically enroll you into one of the above DataPro 4GB plans in an upcoming bill cycle. The specific plan selected for you will depend on your current smartphone data plan; if you are currently subscribed to another Enterprise data plan, you will automatically be enrolled in the DataPro Enterprise 4GB for Smartphone Tethering Plan so that you can continue to access corporate email and applications. Your new DataPro 4GB plan – whether you sign up on your own or we automatically enroll you – will replace your current smartphone data plan, including if you are on an unlimited data plan.
If you discontinue tethering by the end of this month, no changes to your current plan will be required.
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Wow. Is tethering only available as part of a specific DataPro package? If it's not available as a stand-alone option this is a really nasty and back-handed way to get people off grandfathered unlimited packages. That or to greatly reduce the network burden of tethering.
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Wow. Is tethering only available as part of a specific DataPro package? If it's not available as a stand-alone option this is a really nasty and back-handed way to get people off grandfathered unlimited packages. That or to greatly reduce the network burden of tethering.
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I would say: both.
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Wow. Is tethering only available as part of a specific DataPro package? If it's not available as a stand-alone option this is a really nasty and back-handed way to get people off grandfathered unlimited packages. That or to greatly reduce the network burden of tethering.
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Exactly my point...the phone only came on the 2nd...there's no way I could've hit a data cap like that on my own to raise a flag in a mere 2 weeks...I don't have that kind of porn habit lol...not sure if it was something in the software...quite possible that it is something in the useragent of the browser...
But it feels like I'm getting bullied here...just want something concrete to fire back with.
EDIT: Came home from work and loaded up my laptop...remembered that in a drunken stupor I was up debating between a Slingbox adapter or a Logictech Revue...and I remember that I said eff it so I downloaded the Gmote and Unified Remote apps to connect to the server in my house via wifi and use my phone to control my media and browser through my TV. Could that have triggered the email? That was at approx 12-1am last night and I recieved the email on my way to work at 9:20 this morn
I just got that same email from them this morning.
I'm a little confused as to what their plan of action is. Do they plan to add a tethering plan at the end of the month w/out our consent if we don't contact them, or will everything stay the same if we stop tethering?
"If we don't hear from you, we'll plan to automatically enroll you into one of the above DataPro 4GB plans in an upcoming bill cycle."
but then towards the end of the email, they state:
"If you discontinue tethering by the end of this month, no changes to your current plan will be required."
Should i contact them or will i be fine if i stop tethering?
Sounds to me if you don't contact them you going to get enrolled
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I've seen a lot of these threads around different forums with plenty of people stating that they got the email, but not many of them following up whether or not their plans actually got changed or not.
Wondering how many people actually got their data plans changed or if the email is more of a warning/scare tactic.
I figured that the WiFi tether root app should work fine with temp root, what I don't know is if Verizon can tell if we use it and thus, bill us for hotspot use? I remember that there was some concern with the Incredible that Verizon had somehow set it up where there could detect this, just wondering if anyone knows for sure if its safe on the Rez?
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I figured that the WiFi tether root app should work fine with temp root, what I don't know is if Verizon can tell if we use it and thus, bill us for hotspot use? I remember that there was some concern with the Incredible that Verizon had somehow set it up where there could detect this, just wondering if anyone knows for sure if its safe on the Rez?
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I have saw plenty of customers coming in to my location being billed or shut off until they remove the program. Why risk it? Right now they are being nice, you are stealing. Pay the $30, get unlimited hotspot, and don't worry about it. Back to the old saying, if you gotta ask, you shouldn't do it.
Been doing it on my Droid incredible for a long time. Doing it right now from my boys nook color at wrestling practice. Never been charged, or shut off. Don't feel like I am stealing, but others will. If they catch me, there is always other carriers. Would be rocking out on my resound overclocked, and undervolted with a nice cm7 theme, but they have that door locked. They r breaking the rules there, so we r even.
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brockeverly said:
I have saw plenty of customers coming in to my location being billed or shut off until they remove the program. Why risk it? Right now they are being nice, you are stealing. Pay the $30, get unlimited hotspot, and don't worry about it. Back to the old saying, if you gotta ask, you shouldn't do it.
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I fail to see how it's stealing. You pay for your data, so you should be able to use it.
I Don't See At All How It Is Stealing.
The Only Difference Between My Netbook And Cellphone Is Screensize.
Both Are Dual-Core.
Both Are HD Screens, One Is 4.3in And The Other Is 11.6in.
HDMI Out On Both.
Both Use USB Connections.
Both Have Headphones Jack.
Both Have Wi-Fi Antennas.
Netbook Can Use Skype Or Google Voice For Calling If I Wanted To. (Also Could Buy A 3G Wireless Card Instead Of Just Using Wi-Fi)
Both Are Charged By Plugging A Cable In.
Both Have Okay Battery Life.
Both Run Linux OS.
Google put the feature in froyo, and the carriers blocked it to make money. It's not stealing. At all. I know they have a tether guard apk on the thunderbolt. Havnt looked for it yet, and I don't know what it does
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Yeah locking the bootloaders on phones has been questioned legally multiple times. It's like the carriers are trying to control your smartphone experience.
zetsumeikuro said:
It's like the carriers are trying to control your smartphone experience.
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For most people that is a good thing. I am sure it helps mobile device security for the general population. If a webpage could execute a root method and then wipe your system partition, that would be terrible for the average user, so it gets nand-locked.
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Yeah locking the bootloaders on phones has been questioned legally multiple times. It's like the carriers are trying to control your smartphone experience.
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It's the "smart" check for the 4g hotspot. Hotspot won't work as long as that apk is disabled or missing.
Are they able to read it on the resound though? That hasn't been answered here. Do they know we are tethering on temp root?
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I froze the TetheringGuard.apk. I haven't even tried to use the WiFi tether app yet.
I don't think they can tell if you are tethering with root unless they are looking really closely.
I'm on the fence about hotspot. I think for occasional use (tablets), I'm ok with not paying for it, but if you are trying to use it as your home internet service, you should pay for it. Wireless broadband is not unlimited.
on my Inc I used it very rarely. I don't have a tablet and my laptop never leaves the house where I have cable WiFi. My data usage on Verizon averages 2-3 GB a month. I haven't tethered since getting the rez the day they came out. I use it on my work laptop once in a blue moon because they are Nazis and block EVERYTHING on their network.
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I fail to see how it's stealing. You pay for your data, so you should be able to use it.
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If someone charges for something, and you find a way around being charged for it and use it free, how is that not stealing? Not worth the debate, all of you that don't see it will not see it. You probably think getting music from p2p is also not stealing, until you get caught and thrown in prison.
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If someone charges for something, and you find a way around being charged for it and use it free, how is that not stealing? Not worth the debate, all of you that don't see it will not see it. You probably think getting music from p2p is also not stealing, until you get caught and thrown in prison.
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I see where you are coming from, but I don't think you quite understand what is going on behind the scenes. It seems like the carriers are trying to see how much they can get away with, and letting them do so is the worst thing for consumers. We aren't getting something for free, we have already paid for it; the carrier is trying to charge you for the same thing twice. It is like buying tickets to a game or concert, then being told you have to pay an extra fee if you want to use your own binoculars. Or buying a nice meal but being given a plastic spork to eat it with, and being charged more if you want to use your own fork and knife.
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I have unlimited data from bring grandfatherrd in. unlimited means unlimited no matter how u look at it. and if they say otherwise then they better change the wording around.
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what if your home cable or DSL broadband said that you could only use desktop computers with a physical connection, but charged you an extra $30 if you wanted to use a laptop over wifi? Its the same thing.. you are already paying for a certain allotment of data... Verizon has no right (in my opinion) to tell you on what devices you can use that data that you've paid for.
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what if your home cable or DSL broadband said that you could only use desktop computers with a physical connection, but charged you an extra $30 if you wanted to use a laptop over wifi? Its the same thing.. you are already paying for a certain allotment of data... Verizon has no right (in my opinion) to tell you on what devices you can use that data that you've paid for.
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I agree and don't agree. Mobile data should be that, for mobile devices. My problem is with those that use it to run their home networks.
I'm curious to see how verizon structures the shared data next year. Unless its unlimited or some ungodly amount (100gb), I'll keep my current plans.
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I agree and don't agree. Mobile data should be that, for mobile devices. My problem is with those that use it to run their home networks.
I'm curious to see how verizon structures the shared data next year. Unless its unlimited or some ungodly amount (100gb), I'll keep my current plans.
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What About The Mobile Data Cards They Wanna Sell For Laptops Or Home Computers?
Agreed
nrfitchett4 said:
I agree and don't agree. Mobile data should be that, for mobile devices. My problem is with those that use it to run their home networks.
I'm curious to see how verizon structures the shared data next year. Unless its unlimited or some ungodly amount (100gb), I'll keep my current plans.
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+1 On mobile data being for mobile devices.
I can see using wireless teether when you have other devices needing internet in a pinch.
On my HTC Incredible, I used wireless teether on very few occassions. Sometime we lost power here alot within the last year, and I turned on teether so the fiance could use her laptop to get work done (she work alot as a social worker).
Other times I have used teether while on the road and she needed to use the laptop on our 2 1/2 hour trips up north.
People that use teether to be their sole internet for all their pc's at home, to the point of dropping their actual broadband provider, I do not agree with.
A guy I work with uses the teether to provide internet now to 4 computersand 2 xbox360s in his house. Yikes.
This is my opinion only, I don't speak for others, and I don't hate. I'm aware when verizon now offers 4g unlimited hotspot, that people will say well it's unlimited and I will do with it what I want. I truly don't believe it is meant to replace Uverse, Comcast, etc, since that is what Verizon Fios is for.
I can only imagine the big stink that would happen if Verizon changed the small print for the 4g Unlimited Hotspot to say "Only to be used to supply internet for other mobile device ie laptops, tablets, etc and it is not meant to replace your actual Broadband Provider."
Hi guys,
I upgraded my plan and got OSGSII from an AT&T store.
The person said that it requires at least 2 GB data plan for at least 6 months.
I simply said okay there, but at home, I could not find anything related to that matter.
So I am suspecting that he was making me pay extra 10 bucks for nothing since I do not use 4G that much.
I wanted to confirm with the xda community. Any thoughts on this?
With a smartphone you are required to purchase a data plan
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You were misguided by the representative.
You need a data plan, but you can definitely get the 200MB plan.
It does not required the 2Gb plan. you can choose to go with the 200MB for $15/month. what that sales rep said is bs. You can make the changes from your account online if you like.
cornfruit said:
You were misguided by the representative.
You need a data plan, but you can definitely get the 200MB plan.
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+1 Contact his supervisor and demand his termination.
Thanks guys.
I just degraded 2GB data plan to 200mb one. It should save me a few bucks a months
watch out tho you go over and they charge you $10 a month extra.
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watch out tho you go over and they charge you $10 a month extra.
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I think it is more on the 200mb plan to encourage users to pick the 2gb.
Sort of off topic but is there a way to get into an unlimited plan?
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Everyone have unlimited data. You just have to pay for it if you go over your tired plan.
Unlimited is no longer offered however you can apparently use a Iphone 2g, activate it and get the unlimited edge plan, then use a newer phone and upgrade the plan to unlimited.
Personal accounts with smartphones will require a minimum plan of
$15 for 200MB of data at which it's an additional $15 for another 200MB if you go over.
You can also do $25 for 2GB, $10 for an additional 1GB if you go over.
$45 for 4GB+tethering, $10 for an additional 1GB if you go over.
In some cases, some business accounts will only allow for a $25 data plan for the smartphones on it.
And yes, there's a way to get unlimited
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this rep just wanted to make money off of you. If you keep the feature he added for 6 months then his company and he will not get charge back. This is how authorized dealers work
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Lmao, didn't read other replies but he was probably lying to you. If it was a third party retailer, he may have been telling the truth (Often they screw you by requiring certain plans, give you a cheaper phone, but giving it to you doggie style while forcing you into a plan that you don't need and charging you hundreds of dollars if you change it). If it was a core store, we get chargebacks if something is changed in a negative way within the first 6 months, so that's a possibility. They'll often add additional features, extra late / ETF's, etc.
So yeah, phones may b e cheaper at a third party, but often times you're forced into something far more expensive. If he was a corporate AT&T rep though, I suggest you not only speak to his manager, but go above and beyond that and find out who the area / director is.
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Randomly though, if you have any form of discount that's above 10%, the 2gb plan is the way to go. Most people use 400+ MB so it makes sense.. I sorta feel like if people are using less than 200mb, they either spend their entire time at home or work with a wifi connection, or they shouldn't have a smartphone.
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Sort of off topic but is there a way to get into an unlimited plan?
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Go on eBay and search unlimited data at. I use someone with reef in his name, it takes about a day and was kind of a hassel but surely enough I have unlimited data now for $30 a month. There is an xda thread under the Motorola atrix about it also.
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Yeah i don't think it matters going to a COR location or authorized retailer, as long as it's not Walmart or Radio Shack, it's dependent on your rep, and some reps truly don't give a ****. COR reps are in a union tho so they really have to mess up to get fired.
Basically, unless you're under specific restrictions which i can't imagine a single scenario OR on a business account specifically requiring the larger data plan, you can have which ever you want!
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Relapse84 said:
I sorta feel like if people are using less than 200mb, they either spend their entire time at home or work with a wifi connection, or they shouldn't have a smartphone.
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Are you still a kid, a pupil, a student?
'Cuz if you are a working man, here's the time
7am: wake up, doing personal stuff, drinking coffee, watching TV and use wifi to access internet.
9am: start driving to work. You know that you should NEVER surf webs or play game while driving, right?
At work: you either
a. spend 8 hours working
b. using company wifi.
7pm: driving home. R u watching Netflix while driving?
At home: hello, wifi
Midnite: sleeping time.
Weekend? even more wifi.
Me, personally, don't know why people spend a lot of mobile data unless they live in the area that don't have wifi.
I personally find it impossible to use less than 500mb a month even if i'm being frugal. The 2GB plan is the best choice unless you physically disable data and only enable it when needed.
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Anyone running MIUI can utilize the built in monitor app and have data automatically disabled at whatever your limit for whatever time frame necessary.
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3g watchdog also does that. FWIW, I get along on a 200MB plan just fine, but I'm on wifi a lot. Unless you're streaming movies or music or browsing a lot, it's a pretty solid plan.
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