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X10 is garbage! this is outrageous!
Yes really, they got it working, you want it so bad try porting it yourself
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cry about it?
if you want it so bad for your phone, learn to port it yourself. until then, since you rely solely on other peoples' hard work and sweat, shut up and be patient.
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cry about it?
if you want it so bad for your phone, learn to port it yourself. until then, since you rely solely on other peoples' hard work and sweat, shut up and be patient.
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Oh snap. That was awesome.
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I might start to look into trying to port it this weekend
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I might start to look into trying to port it this weekend
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Good news man
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Being that there are currently no EGL libs for anything except PowerVR SGX devices under ICS yet, and they're closed source and tightly dependent on the kernel there doesn't seem to be a huge point until the official updates start to hit for a range of devices.
Sure, Desire, HD, X10, N1 have ports of a sort at the moment, in fact there shouldn't be too many problems getting them working aside from the graphics drivers but they're just for fun with the framebuffer driver given how much of ICS' UI rendering is done with GPU acceleration in mind. You wouldn't want to use it day-to-day. The browser is surprisingly responsive on the Desire though (I'd say moreso than GB, despite the software rendering), as is the Market (the new one always lagged really badly for me on the Desire before) - glimmers of hope for ICS' eventual performance on older devices. The keyboard lags like you wouldn't believe though!
The Atrix should fly under 4.0.1 though, if it ever happens - bearing in mind the fact that the SGX 540 in the Galaxy Nexus is pretty much in a dead heat with Tegra 2's GPU, we've got a lower resolution screen, and can overclock past the its stock speeds.
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Good news man
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Its turning out to be harder then i though... I think no one will get it until offical updates come out for other phones
Azurael said:
Being that there are currently no EGL libs for anything except PowerVR SGX devices under ICS yet, and they're closed source and tightly dependent on the kernel there doesn't seem to be a huge point until the official updates start to hit for a range of devices.
Sure, Desire, HD, X10, N1 have ports of a sort at the moment, in fact there shouldn't be too many problems getting them working aside from the graphics drivers but they're just for fun with the framebuffer driver given how much of ICS' UI rendering is done with GPU acceleration in mind. You wouldn't want to use it day-to-day. The browser is surprisingly responsive on the Desire though (I'd say moreso than GB, despite the software rendering), as is the Market (the new one always lagged really badly for me on the Desire before) - glimmers of hope for ICS' eventual performance on older devices. The keyboard lags like you wouldn't believe though!
The Atrix should fly under 4.0.1 though, if it ever happens - bearing in mind the fact that the SGX 540 in the Galaxy Nexus is pretty much in a dead heat with Tegra 2's GPU, we've got a lower resolution screen, and can overclock past the its stock speeds.
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So EGL = gpu driver? If thats the only setback, would it be possible to get an ICS rom with software rendering as a proof of concept, or are there other pieces missing?
GB/CM7 is pretty good on the Atrix, if we dont see ICS for a few months it doesn't hurt us in any way. I'd like to think most of us can be patient if we lack the skills to help.
I noticed the Captivate got a port of it too since i9000 ROMs and Cap ROMs are interchangeable. I thought its funny that it's running on the HD a Windows Mobile 6.5 phone lol. Let's all try to be patient and we will eventually see it.
Edit: not to mention I'm sure if it's not already it will soon be on iPhone too. It seems like iPhones always get the new Android versions kinda early. I'm not sweating it I love my Atrix in its current state.
According to anandtech, Tegra 2 support is essentially ready, so I think as long as nvidia releases the source for ics (libs?), someone will try to port it. Hell, I have a good 5 weeks during break, I might as well try then.
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Azurael said:
Being that there are currently no EGL libs for anything except PowerVR SGX devices under ICS yet, and they're closed source and tightly dependent on the kernel there doesn't seem to be a huge point until the official updates start to hit for a range of devices.
Sure, Desire, HD, X10, N1 have ports of a sort at the moment, in fact there shouldn't be too many problems getting them working aside from the graphics drivers but they're just for fun with the framebuffer driver given how much of ICS' UI rendering is done with GPU acceleration in mind. You wouldn't want to use it day-to-day. The browser is surprisingly responsive on the Desire though (I'd say moreso than GB, despite the software rendering), as is the Market (the new one always lagged really badly for me on the Desire before) - glimmers of hope for ICS' eventual performance on older devices. The keyboard lags like you wouldn't believe though!
The Atrix should fly under 4.0.1 though, if it ever happens - bearing in mind the fact that the SGX 540 in the Galaxy Nexus is pretty much in a dead heat with Tegra 2's GPU, we've got a lower resolution screen, and can overclock past the its stock speeds.
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Actually, no, despite being a much older GPU, the SGX 540 found in the GNexus outpaces the Tegra 2 due to its higher clock rate by 7% or 45% depending on the GLBenchmark being run. Both GPU tests were done at 720p resolution. Also, you can't overclock the GPU, only the CPU.
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Actually, no, despite being a much older GPU, the SGX 540 found in the GNexus outpaces the Tegra 2 due to its higher clock rate by 7% or 45% depending on the GLBenchmark being run. Both GPU tests were done at 720p resolution. Also, you can't overclock the GPU, only the CPU.
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Buddy, check out any of the kernels available in the dev thread and you'll see that the GPUs are overclocked.
WiredPirate said:
I noticed the Captivate got a port of it too since i9000 ROMs and Cap ROMs are interchangeable. I thought its funny that it's running on the HD a Windows Mobile 6.5 phone lol. Let's all try to be patient and we will eventually see it.
Edit: not to mention I'm sure if it's not already it will soon be on iPhone too. It seems like iPhones always get the new Android versions kinda early. I'm not sweating it I love my Atrix in its current state.
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Doubt the iPhone will see ICS, the newest model that can run android as far as I know is the iPhone 3G, which was incredibly slow under Gingerbread.
mac208x said:
X10 is garbage! this is outrageous!
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222 posts and zero thanks? Is this what you do, go around XDA and post useless threads like the guy complaining about returning home early despite nobody asking him to "to get MIUI ported on his grandma's phone"?
Are you guys related by any chance?
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Actually, no, despite being a much older GPU, the SGX 540 found in the GNexus outpaces the Tegra 2 due to its higher clock rate by 7% or 45% depending on the GLBenchmark being run. Both GPU tests were done at 720p resolution. Also, you can't overclock the GPU, only the CPU.
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Depends on the benchmark, yes - texture-heavy rendering tends to perform better on the 540 in the OMAP4460 thanks to it's dual channel memory controller and high clock (and that's probably the directly relevant part to UI rendering to be honest, though as I said - lower resolution screen ) but the Tegra 2 is quite substantially ahead in geometry-heavy rendering (and games on mobiles are starting to move that way now, following the desktop landscape over the past 5 years or so.) Averaged out, the performance of the two is very close.
Plus, as I said, the GPU in my phone is running at 400MHz which ought to even things out in the GLMark 720p tests somewhat even if they are biassed to one architecture or the other. While the GPU in OMAP4460 may overclock just as well from its stock 400MHz, I'm only really concerned that the phone can run as fast as a stock GNexus to maybe skip the next generation of mobile hardware and tide it over until Cortex A15-based SoCs on 28nm process start to emerge with stronger GPUs. I don't really think I'm CPU performance bound with a 1.4GHz dual-core A9 - and increasing the number of equivalent cores without a really substantial boost in GPU horesepower seems worthless right now, even if ICS takes better advantage of SMP (re: Disappointing early Tegra 3 benchmarks - although it does seem GLMark stacks the odds against NVidia GPUs more than other benchmarks?)
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Depends on the benchmark, yes - texture-heavy rendering tends to perform better on the 540 in the OMAP4460 thanks to it's dual channel memory controller and high clock (and that's probably the directly relevant part to UI rendering to be honest, though as I said - lower resolution screen ) but the Tegra 2 is quite substantially ahead in geometry-heavy rendering (and games on mobiles are starting to move that way now, following the desktop landscape over the past 5 years or so.) Averaged out, the performance of the two is very close.
Plus, as I said, the GPU in my phone is running at 400MHz which ought to even things out in the GLMark 720p tests somewhat even if they are biassed to one architecture or the other. While the GPU in OMAP4460 may overclock just as well from its stock 400MHz, I'm only really concerned that the phone can run as fast as a stock GNexus to maybe skip the next generation of mobile hardware and tide it over until Cortex A15-based SoCs on 28nm process start to emerge with stronger GPUs. I don't really think I'm CPU performance bound with a 1.4GHz dual-core A9 - and increasing the number of equivalent cores without a really substantial boost in GPU horesepower seems worthless right now, even if ICS takes better advantage of SMP (re: Disappointing early Tegra 3 benchmarks - although it does seem GLMark stacks the odds against NVidia GPUs more than other benchmarks?)
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I would expect the Tegra to beat a nearly 5 year old GPU, but it only does so in triangle throughput. Tegra just uses a very poor architecture in general. Look at how little actual horsepower it can pull. The Tegra 3 gpu pulls 7.2GFLOPs @300mhz. The iPad GPU and the upcoming Adreno 225 both pull 19.2 GFLOPS at that same clockspeed. I honestly have no idea what the engineers are thinking over atNnvidia. It's almost as bad as AMD's latest bulldozer offerings. It's really more of Tegra's shortcomings than GLMark stacking the odds. PowerVR's offerings from 2007 are keeping up with a chip that debuted in 2010/2011. The Geforce just doesn't seem to scale very well at all on mobile platforms. But yea, all Nvidia did with Tegra 3 was slap in 2 extra cores, clocked them higher, threw in the sorely missed NEON instruction set, increased the SIMDs on the GPU by 50% (8 to 12), and then tacked on a 5th hidden core to help save power. Tegra 3 stayed with the 40nm process whereas every other SoC is dropping down to 28nm with some bringing in a brand new architecture as well.
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I would expect the Tegra to beat a nearly 5 year old GPU, but it only does so in triangle throughput. Tegra just uses a very poor architecture in general. Look at how little actual horsepower it can pull. The Tegra 3 gpu pulls 7.2GFLOPs @300mhz. The iPad GPU and the upcoming Adreno 225 both pull 19.2 GFLOPS at that same clockspeed. I honestly have no idea what the engineers are thinking over atNnvidia. It's almost as bad as AMD's latest bulldozer offerings. It's really more of Tegra's shortcomings than GLMark stacking the odds. PowerVR's offerings from 2007 are keeping up with a chip that debuted in 2010/2011. The Geforce just doesn't seem to scale very well at all on mobile platforms. But yea, all Nvidia did with Tegra 3 was slap in 2 extra cores, clocked them higher, threw in the sorely missed NEON instruction set, increased the SIMDs on the GPU by 50% (8 to 12), and then tacked on a 5th hidden core to help save power. Tegra 3 stayed with the 40nm process whereas every other SoC is dropping down to 28nm with some bringing in a brand new architecture as well.
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Don't you get tired if writing those long rants? We understand you know something about CPU architecture, and that Tegra isn't the best one out there, but damn man, it's the same thing in every thread. Just chill out and try to stay on topic for once
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edgeicator said:
I would expect the Tegra to beat a nearly 5 year old GPU, but it only does so in triangle throughput. Tegra just uses a very poor architecture in general. Look at how little actual horsepower it can pull. The Tegra 3 gpu pulls 7.2GFLOPs @300mhz. The iPad GPU and the upcoming Adreno 225 both pull 19.2 GFLOPS at that same clockspeed. I honestly have no idea what the engineers are thinking over atNnvidia. It's almost as bad as AMD's latest bulldozer offerings. It's really more of Tegra's shortcomings than GLMark stacking the odds. PowerVR's offerings from 2007 are keeping up with a chip that debuted in 2010/2011. The Geforce just doesn't seem to scale very well at all on mobile platforms. But yea, all Nvidia did with Tegra 3 was slap in 2 extra cores, clocked them higher, threw in the sorely missed NEON instruction set, increased the SIMDs on the GPU by 50% (8 to 12), and then tacked on a 5th hidden core to help save power. Tegra 3 stayed with the 40nm process whereas every other SoC is dropping down to 28nm with some bringing in a brand new architecture as well.
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I think you are not seeing the whole picture...
The Tegra 3 (Et-Al) is not just about its quad core implementation, remember that the GPU will offer 12 cores that will translate in performance not seeing as of yet on any other platform.
Benchmarks don't tell the whole story! Specially those benchmarking tools which are not Tegra 3 optimized yet.
Cheers!
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WiredPirate said:
I noticed the Captivate got a port of it too since i9000 ROMs and Cap ROMs are interchangeable. I thought its funny that it's running on the HD a Windows Mobile 6.5 phone lol. Let's all try to be patient and we will eventually see it.
Edit: not to mention I'm sure if it's not already it will soon be on iPhone too. It seems like iPhones always get the new Android versions kinda early. I'm not sweating it I love my Atrix in its current state.
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LOL I ran all the iDroid ports on my iphone. Not one was even in alpha stage, I would not even count iDroid as a port since you cant use anything on it.
-The Tegra 3 SoC (System on a chip) is a combo of a microprocessor, a memory controller, an audio processor, a video encoder and a graphics renderer. It's designed and manufactured by Nvidia, world leader of graphics computing, making it's first appearance in the Asus Transformer Prime.
-The Tegra 3 SoC has 5 physical cores, but limited to performance of quad-cores. The 5th, lower power core, is activated only when the device is idle or handling low tasks, such as syncing and e-mail checking. So, power consumption is always kept to minimum when performance of the quad-core is not needed, ensuring longer battery life. Once you run a normal or higher-demanding task on the tablet, the 5th core shuts off automatically before the 4 main cores are activated. This is all the bios of the chip and doesn't require the user or the developer to change anything to use the Android OS and application this way. Android OS already has a the best support for multi-tasking and is multi-threaded friendly compared to competing operating systems in the market. So, this should be good news of the Asus Transformer Prime to-be users soon.
-The GPU (Graphics Processing Unit) in the Tegra 3 Soc has 12 shaders. But, because Nvidia has not followed a unified-shader architecture in this ARM SoC like they've been doing in their PC and MAC discrete graphics cards, 8 of those 12 shaders are reserved for pixel work and the remaining 4 are for vertex. Maybe Nvidia will use unified-shader architecture in the next generation Tegra SoC'es, when the ARM-based devices are ready for it. The PowerVR MP2 GPU in the iPad 2 has more raw power than the Tegra 3 GPU (Actually, it's the only one thing I personally like about the iPad 2, it's GPU!), but the Tegra 3 Geforce (the commercial name Nvidia uses for their gaming graphics processors) should give a solid 3D performance in games, especially the officially supported games. Nvidia has long history in 3D gaming and been using it's solid connections with game developers to bring higher quality gaming to Android, like what we've seen with Tegra 2 SoC capabilities in games listed in the TegraZone Android app. Add to that, games are not just GPU bound, Tegra 3's quad-cores and 1GB system RAM (iPad has 512MB) will pump up gaming qualities for sure and the pixel density of 149ppi displays crisper images than the 132ppi of the iPad 2. Once the Asus Prime is released, it can be officially considered the highest performing Android device in the world, especially 3D gaming.
Well, I thought I'd have more to type, I paused for a long time and could not think of anything to add. I only wanted to share few things I know about the Tegra 3. I have high interest in computer graphics/processors and been following the Tegra project since 2008.
Some of the Asus Prime to-be-owners doesn't know or care that much about technical details of the CPU in the device and I thought of sharing with them.
Thanks and gold luck.
Thanks for the info. Very interesting
As I understand it, the use of the lower power 5th core has decreased battery consumption by over 60% when compared to the earlier 2 core design. I am not sure how they are measuring consumption and the task load.
I am most exited about the tablet because of the tegra 3.
In smartphones I find the idea of putting more than one core quite rubbish.
It is not the best solution for a tablet or any other mobile device too. I would highly appreciate a well programmed software over overpowered hardware.
Yet the tegra has a nice concept.
I think most of the time I won't use more than that 5th core. I mean it is even powerful enough to play HD video.
I will primarily use apps that display text and images. Like the browser who is said to utilize 4 cores. But I am sure only because of the crappy programming.
So if people finally come to their minds and start optimizing their apps we will have one quite powerful core and 4 in backup for REAL needs. Seems like an investment in the future for me.
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Straight from Wikipedia:
Tegra 3 (Kal-El) series
Processor: quad-core ARM Cortex-A9 MPCore, up to 1.4 GHz single-core mode and 1.3 GHz multi-core mode
12-Core Nvidia GPU with support for 3D stereo
Ultra low power GPU mode
40 nm process by TSMC
Video output up to 2560×1600
NEON vector instruction set
1080p MPEG-4 AVC/h.264 40 Mbps High-Profile, VC1-AP and DivX 5/6 video decode[18]
The Kal-El chip (CPU and GPU) is to be about 5 times faster than Tegra 2[19]
Estimated release date is now to be Q4 2011 for tablets and Q1 2012 for smartphones, after being set back from Nvidia's prior estimated release dates of Q2 2011,[20] then August 2011,[21] then October 2011[22]
The Tegra 3 is functionally a quad-core processor, but includes a fifth "companion" core. All cores are Cortex-A9s, but the companion core is manufactured with a special low power silicon process. This means it uses less power at low clock rates, but more at higher rates; hence it is limited to 500 MHz. There is also special logic to allow running state to be quickly transferred between the companion core and one of the normal cores. The goal is for a mobile phone or tablet to be able to power down all the normal cores and run on only the companion core, using comparatively little power, during standby mode or when otherwise using little CPU. According to Nvidia, this includes playing music or even video content.[23]
Tegra 3 officially released on November 9, 2011[/LEFT][/CENTER][/FONT]
Tegra 2's maximum ram limit was 1GB. Tegra 3's could be 2GB.
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Tegra 2's maximum ram limit was 1GB. Tegra 3's could be 2GB.
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The rumor mill is churning out some specs on an upcoming Lenovo tablet with some funky specs, like 2GB DD3....so it's possible. However, the same leak/article also says its chip is clocked at 1.6 Ghz which is quite a bit out of spec, so I would take it with a usual:
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jerrykur said:
As I understand it, the use of the lower power 5th core has decreased battery consumption by over 60% when compared to the earlier 2 core design. I am not sure how they are measuring consumption and the task load.
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You can read the White Papers on the Tegra 3 over on Nvidia's website. But the chip has a controller built into the chip that activates either the 4 cores, or the 1 core based on power demand of a given processing activity.
The quad vs single core are made out of different silicone materials, but same design structure in order to maximize the energy efficiency at the performance curve. The difference of Materials is more efficient at different power curves. So the 5th core is very efficient at low processing levels where it is actively being used.
It's pretty cool stuff
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The rumor mill is churning out some specs on an upcoming Lenovo tablet with some funky specs, like 2GB DD3....so it's possible. However, the same leak/article also says its chip is clocked at 1.6 Ghz which is quite a bit out of spec, so I would take it with a usual:
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*Correction: Tegra 3 supports DDR2 AND DDR3. The original Transformer had 1GB of DDR2 @ 667Mhz. The Prime has 1GB of LPDDR2 @ 1066Mhz, a considerable bump in speed. Also, Tegra 3 supports up to DDR3 @ 1500Mhz!
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I think the only compatible RAM would be DDR2. Clock speeds don't matter, as the Tegra 3 can be OC'd to 2Ghz no problem.
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I'm sure it can, hopefully they increase the battery capacity to compensate for increased power use. As far as the memory, Nvidia's site on Tegra 3 lists DDR3 (though its still running on a 32-bit bus which may or may not be an issue with 3d games), upto 2GB. However, every bit of spec info on the Prime I can find lists DDR2...so I don't know.
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I'm sure it can, hopefully they increase the battery capacity to compensate for increased power use. As far as the memory, Nvidia's site on Tegra 3 lists DDR3 (though its still running on a 32-bit bus which may or may not be an issue with 3d games), upto 2GB. However, every bit of spec info on the Prime I can find lists DDR2...so I don't know.
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The Prime's RAM speed is considerably faster than the TF101.
If it does have room to expand, could we expand or upgrade the RAM?
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If it does have room to expand, could we expand or upgrade the RAM?
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Judging by the pictures, it doesn't look like the RAM will be removable or upgradeable (the RAM is the Elpida chip right next to the processor).
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The Prime's RAM speed is considerably faster than the TF101.
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I never said it wasn't.
What I said is that both Tegra 2 and now Tegra 3 have a single 32-bit wide memory interface when compared to the two on the A5,Exynos,Qualcom, and OMAP4 chips. What that means is that theoretically it will have lower bandwidth which may cause problems with upcoming games, especially considering that you now have to feed extra cores and a beefier GPU. Now, whether or not it will actually be an issue...we will have to see.
Sad that the SGX543MP2 in the Ipad2 is still faster than the Tegra3's GPU. Apple is always ahead of the curve.. Just when Android devices started becoming as fast as the iPad1.. The iPad2 was released and remains to have one of the strongest SOCs out in the field.
Even for pure CPU benches.. the 1ghz dualcore A5 smokes most chips running faster clocks in dual core configs.
Regardless, this is still the most powerful Android device to date. Just disappointed that Nvidia, one of the king of GPU makers can't even compete with PowerVR.. a much smaller company with a lot less money.
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Sad that the SGX543MP2 in the Ipad2 is still faster than the Tegra3's GPU. Apple is always ahead of the curve.. Just when Android devices started becoming as fast as the iPad1.. The iPad2 was released and remains to have one of the strongest SOCs out in the field.
Even for pure CPU benches.. the 1ghz dualcore A5 smokes most chips running faster clocks in dual core configs.
Regardless, this is still the most powerful Android device to date. Just disappointed that Nvidia, one of the king of GPU makers can't even compete with PowerVR.. a much smaller company with a lot less money.
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I would have to agree with you that Nvidia dropped the ball on their new GPU, at least on paper.
However, it's not as simple as having "omg wtf i > you" hardware that's the source of the performance. What Apple really has going for them is uniformity of hardware/software. Apple software is designed to work on very specific and strictly controlled hardware setup which allows for an incredible level of optimizations of software. This "closed loop" if software/hardware is what really drives the performance of the iProducts. Simply put, probably way over-simplified, but it let's them do more with less.
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Sad that the SGX543MP2 in the Ipad2 is still faster than the Tegra3's GPU. Apple is always ahead of the curve.. Just when Android devices started becoming as fast as the iPad1.. The iPad2 was released and remains to have one of the strongest SOCs out in the field.
Even for pure CPU benches.. the 1ghz dualcore A5 smokes most chips running faster clocks in dual core configs.
Regardless, this is still the most powerful Android device to date. Just disappointed that Nvidia, one of the king of GPU makers can't even compete with PowerVR.. a much smaller company with a lot less money.
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Very good point. Also apple has the apps n games that showcase and utilize all this extra power. Even my original iPad has apps/games that I haven't seen Android dual core equivalents of. I love my iPad but I also own Atix dual core Tegra 2 phone. I know the open sourced Android will win out in the end.
I came across a good comment in the lenovo specs link that a member here posted in this thread.
"Google and NVidia need to seriously subsidize 3rd party app development to show ANY value and utility over iPad. Apple won't rest on its laurels as their GPU performance on the A5 is already ahead with games and APPs to prove it".
What do you all think about this? Not trying to thread jack as I see it's relevant to this thread also. What apps/games does Android have up it's sleeve to take advantage of this new Tegra3? Majority of Android apps/games don't even take advantage of tegra2 and similar SOC yet. Are we going to have all this extra power for a while without it never really being used to it's potential. Android needs some hardcore apps n games. iPad has all the b.s. Stuff also BUT has very hardcore apps n games also to use it to close to full potential. IMO my iPad 1 jail broken still trumps most of these Tegra 2 tablets out now. Not because of hardware specs, but because of the quality of apps n games I have. I've noticed Android is finally starting to get more hardcore games like ShadowGun, game loft games, etc.. I can't over clock or customize my iPad as extensively as Android but the software/apps/games I have are great. No, I don't want an ipad2 or ipad3. I want an Android tablet now because of more potential with it. Just like with anything in life, potential doesn't mean sh$& if it's not utilized and made a reality.
I was a windows mobile person first. Then I experienced dual booting with XDAndroid on my tilt 2, I loved it. Then I knew I wanted a real android phone or tablet. First Android tablet I owned, for only a day, was the Archos7IT. It was cool but returned it since it couldn't connect to my WMwifirouter, which uses ad-hoc network. So I researched n finally settled on taking a chance with the apple iPad. I use to be an apple hater to the max..lol. My iPad changed all of that. I still hate the closed system of apple but I had to admit, the iPad worked great for what I needed and wanted to do. This iPad, I'm writing this post on now, still works flawlessly after almost 2 years and it's specs are nowhere compared to iPad 2 or all these new dual core tablets out. I'm doing amazing stuff with only 256mb of ram..SMH I hated having to hook iPad up to iTunes for everything like music n videos. So I jail broke and got Ifiles, which is basically a very detailed root file explorer. I also have the USB n SD card adapter. So now I could put my content on my iPad myself without needing to be chained to iTunes. iTunes only good for software updates. I'm still on 4.2.1 jail broken firmware on iPad. Never bothered or really wanted to upgrade to the new IOS 5.01 out now. With all my jailbreak mods/tweaks, I've been doing most new stuff people are now being able to do. All apple did was implement jailbreak tweaks into their OS, for the most part.
Sorry for the long rant. I'm just excited on getting new Prime tegra3 tablet. I just hope the apps/games start rolling out fast that really take advantage of this power. And I don't just mean tegrazone stuff..lol. Android developers going to have to really step their game up once these new quad cores come out. Really even now with dual cores also. I'm a fan of technology in general. Competition only makes things better. Android is starting to overtake apple in sales or similar categories. Only thing is Android hasn't gotten on par with apple quality apps yet. Like the iPad tablet only apps are very numerous. Lots are b.s. But tons are very great also. I'm just hoping Amdroid tablet only apps will be same quality at least or better. I'm not looking to get new quad core tablet to play angry birds or other kiddy type games. I'm into productivity, media apps, and hardcore games, like Rage HD, NOVA2, Modern Combat 3, Order n Chaos, InfinityBlade, ShadowGun, etc.. All of which I have and more on my almost 2 year old iPad 1.
Asus, with being the first manufacturer to come out with quad core tablet and super IPS + display, might just be the last push needed to get things really rolling for Android, as far as high quality software amd tablet optimized OS goes. Can't wait to see how this plays out .
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RussianMenace said:
I would have to agree with you that Nvidia dropped the ball on their new GPU, at least on paper.
However, it's not as simple as having "omg wtf i > you" hardware that's the source of the performance. What Apple really has going for them is uniformity of hardware/software. Apple software is designed to work on very specific and strictly controlled hardware setup which allows for an incredible level of optimizations of software. This "closed loop" if software/hardware is what really drives the performance of the iProducts. Simply put, probably way over-simplified, but it let's them do more with less.
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Great point, just as I was saying basically in my long post..lol
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You can read the White Papers on the Tegra 3 over on Nvidia's website. But the chip has a controller built into the chip that activates either the 4 cores, or the 1 core based on power demand of a given processing activity.
The quad vs single core are made out of different silicone materials, but same design structure in order to maximize the energy efficiency at the performance curve. The difference of Materials is more efficient at different power curves. So the 5th core is very efficient at low processing levels where it is actively being used.
It's pretty cool stuff
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That is correct. Actually, the "5th" core is licensed with ARM A7 instructions set, the quads are A9.
RussianMenace said:
I would have to agree with you that Nvidia dropped the ball on their new GPU, at least on paper.
However, it's not as simple as having "omg wtf i > you" hardware that's the source of the performance. What Apple really has going for them is uniformity of hardware/software. Apple software is designed to work on very specific and strictly controlled hardware setup which allows for an incredible level of optimizations of software. This "closed loop" if software/hardware is what really drives the performance of the iProducts. Simply put, probably way over-simplified, but it let's them do more with less.
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Again, I agree. Just like saying why Xbox360 and PS3 consoles can still push high quality graphics compared to a new high-end PC? Unity of hardware plays a big role there.
I have a $4000 custom PC. Sometimes I see my brother play the same games on his $250 Playstation 3 with performance and graphics very similar to my PC.
CyberPunk7t9 said:
I have a $4000 custom PC. Sometimes I see my brother play the same games on his $250 Playstation 3 with performance and graphics very similar to my PC.
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That's because these days, most PC games are console ports.
GPU specs don't matter. The iPad has more and better games than Android tabs, and that won't change for the (1-yr) lifespan of the Teg3. Not to be a downer, but it's just reality.
The Prime is better at certain things. HDMI-out and USB host (NTFS) support makes it a pretty good HTPC, for one. But I wouldn't get into a pissing contest over games--unless of course you're talking about emus.
e.mote said:
GPU specs don't matter. The iPad has more and better games than Android tabs, and that won't change for the (1-yr) lifespan of the Teg3. Not to be a downer, but it's just reality.
The Prime is better at certain things. HDMI-out and USB host (NTFS) support makes it a pretty good HTPC, for one. But I wouldn't get into a pissing contest over games--unless of course you're talking about emus.
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Is that true? NTFS support? Are you sure? Can you link me to a spec for that? If so then I can transfer files from my SD to an external NTFS without using Windows! That would be great for trips when I need to dump digital pics.
Forget about benchmark, i know how bad the asus prime tegra 3 is at benchmarks because they are not optimize for quad-core. In games videos i have been seeing the graphics for tegra 3 games vs ipad 2 in same games, the tegra 3 is more powerfull with alot more details in games. Not sure if the reason was because the ipad 2 CAN'T do such graphics or because they only want to show off tegra 3 potential.
We all have seen infinity blade 2 in ipad 2 and those are one if not the best graphics right now available for a tablet. Can graphics like this be accomplish with the asus prime hardware or are we left behind.
Is tegra 3 better in graphics than ipad 2?
yes, i believe the tegra 3 graphics are better than the ipad2. (a lot better)
-dimwit-
dimwit13 said:
yes, i believe the tegra 3 graphics are better than the ipad2. (a lot better)
-dimwit-
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I know quite a bit about the SGX543MP2 in the iPad 2, and while I don't know so much about the Tegra 3 ULP GeForce, I do not believe the it is more powerful, and it certainly not a lot more powerful. I've looked at GPU whitepapers for the Tegra 2 and I do not believe that Tegra 3 deviates very far from that architecture.
Smartphone GPUs have always held a particular interest for me, and I've written a few technical articles on them. Let me go dig into my resources and I'll see if I can get some concrete numbers on the Tegra 3 GPU. In many ways it's difficult to say that one GPU is better than another; some (like the SGX series) use a different method of rendering, some are designed for higher polygon processing, some focus on fill rate (and these are heavily influenced upon screen resolution), and then there's memory bandwidth availability and clock speeds to consider.
PS - The SGX543MP2 in the iPad 2 is ridiculously powerful. And it's not anything new; that GPU has been out for nearly 4 years. It's just that SoC manufacturers other than Apple have not bothered to implement it in any of their chips yet. It may be due to the fact that it's simply much more powerful than is really necessary, it takes up a fair bit of die space compared to the alternatives, or it may be a cost issue. Understand that I cannot stand Apple and love Android through and through, but also understand that the GPU in the iPad 2 is a monster, no mistake. It crushed Tegra 2 ULP GPU in performance by a large margin.
PS 2 - Understand that the benchmarks not being optimized for quad-core doesn't mean that they aren't accurate when it comes to GPU performance.
Understand that Tegra3 is the most powerful chip out today and its in The Transformer Prime. Prime is stated by all tech sites to be most powerful tablet out today. Ipad2 wasn't. Ipad2 does have a great gpu but alot more can be done with tegra3 and the games will look better on tegra3. Tegra3 version of Shadowgun blows Ipad version away. No contest in how much more detailed tegra3 version is than Ipad. Same goes for Riptide. If you want the most powerful device out today and probably for next 5-6 months or more, Prime is the only device that can deliver what you want.
demandarin said:
Understand that Tegra3 is the most powerful chip out today and its in The Transformer Prime. Prime is stated by all tech sites to be most powerful tablet out today. Ipad2 wasn't. Ipad2 does have a great gpu but alot more can be done with tegra3 and the games will look better on tegra3. Tegra3 version of Shadowgun blows Ipad version away. No contest in how much more detailed tegra3 version is than Ipad. Same goes for Riptide. If you want the most powerful device out today and probably for next 5-6 months or more, Prime is the only device that can deliver what you want.
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You don't need to lecture me about the Tegra 3 in the Transformer Prime. I could give you a handy lesson on NVIDIA's latest Cortex-A9 chip, and I would agree that nothing is currently available that is more powerful. But, my friend, CPU and GPU are not one and the same. (Hint - I'm a former paid tech editor on ARM architecture )
Lets not let our fanboism stand in the way of simple fact. I said earlier that the SGX543MP2 is in some ways more powerful than it needs to be, and that's because iPad apps are going to be built to run on the 1st gen iPad as well as the iPad 2, and when you're writing tablet apps to run on a GPU that was also in the iPhone 3GS, you're wasting the processing power available of the iPad 2. "THD" apps are not built with those limitations and of course they'll look better.
That said, I'll stop playing Devil's Advocate and go dig up the truth, as now I'm curious. I don't expect that Tegra 3 will best the SGX543MP2 in typical performance however. I've got some friends in the industry that were benchmarking the Prime well before any articles were written on it.
I have both at home, myself using the prime and my girlfriend uses the iPad 2 (duh!). From an enduser point of view I can only say that, yes the prime is the more graphically potent tablet. But... sadly there is little good software available as has been the case for a while now when you compare Android tablets to iPads. Sad, but so true...
This seems to pretty handily answer the question:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/3
These are benchmarks tested off-screen so screen resolution does not play into things, and the test is a GPU test; CPU quad-core compatibility does not play into it.
As I said in previous posts, the Tegra 3 is definitely a strong step up from Tegra 2 in performance, but does not match the SGX543MP2 in the iPad 2. But, as I also said, as many tablet apps for iOS do not actually make full use of the true power of the SGX543MP2, while THD apps for Android typically are designed to make use of Tegra ULP GeForce processing power, it's a rather pointless argument.
EDIT - And just to satisfy those who might be upset that our GPU is not the absolute best, it's a close second and our CPU kicks the crap out of the competition for now. As is the way of things, in a few months we'll see the Krait Snapdragons take the throne...
EDIT 2 - AnandTech also did a good summary of the differences between the Tegra 2 and Tegra 3 GPUs: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5072/nvidias-tegra-3-launched-architecture-revealed/2
Hardware only as good as software driving it.
yes mutch better
Electrofreak said:
You don't need to lecture me about the Tegra 3 in the Transformer Prime. I could give you a handy lesson on NVIDIA's latest Cortex-A9 chip, and I would agree that nothing is currently available that is more powerful. But, my friend, CPU and GPU are not one and the same. (Hint - I'm a former paid tech editor on ARM architecture )
Lets not let our fanboism stand in the way of simple fact. I said earlier that the SGX543MP2 is in some ways more powerful than it needs to be, and that's because iPad apps are going to be built to run on the 1st gen iPad as well as the iPad 2, and when you're writing tablet apps to run on a GPU that was also in the iPhone 3GS, you're wasting the processing power available of the iPad 2. "THD" apps are not built with those limitations and of course they'll look better.
That said, I'll stop playing Devil's Advocate and go dig up the truth, as now I'm curious. I don't expect that Tegra 3 will best the SGX543MP2 in typical performance however. I've got some friends in the industry that were benchmarking the Prime well before any articles were written on it.
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That's the point...benchmarks are b.s. anyways. Doesn't translate to real life use. If you a former tech editor like you said then you should know this already. If u wanna compare benchmarks OK. WoW! Ipad2 beats prime in like only 2 graphics benchmarks. PRIME blows it away in all others. Prime is at the top of most benchmark lists of all time Highs anyways. Bring what you you dig up. PRIMe will eat ipad2 for breakfast. And the games will always look better on tegra3 than ipad2. As long as they using the same one. The proof is already there that Android and IOS games on both platforms show Android version being better. You seeming more like an apple fanboy to me. Facts are facts. I don't see anywhere talking about ipad2 has most powerful chipset or gpu. Now I can show you plenty that say that about the prime n tegra3.
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Electrofreak said:
This seems to pretty handily answer the question:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/3
These are benchmarks tested off-screen so screen resolution does not play into things, and the test is a GPU test; CPU quad-core compatibility does not play into it.
As I said in previous posts, the Tegra 3 is definitely a strong step up from Tegra 2 in performance, but does not match the SGX543MP2 in the iPad 2. But, as I also said, as many tablet apps for iOS do not actually make full use of the true power of the SGX543MP2, while THD apps for Android typically are designed to make use of Tegra ULP GeForce processing power, it's a rather pointless argument.
EDIT - And just to satisfy those who might be upset that our GPU is not the absolute best, it's a close second and our CPU kicks the crap out of the competition for now. As is the way of things, in a few months we'll see the Krait Snapdragons take the throne...
EDIT 2 - AnandTech also did a good summary of the differences between the Tegra 2 and Tegra 3 GPUs: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5072/nvidias-tegra-3-launched-architecture-revealed/2
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To be a tech editor, u seem to be misinformed..lol. krait snapdragon or qualcomm chip is crap. They had a horrible showing at CES..right along with Samsung Eyxnos chip and T.I. plus those aare no where near ready due to low yields. Plus when those chips eventually come out, it'll already be surpassed n easily. By what you may ask. THE TEGRA4 KAL EL + or Wayne architecture at 28nm die 8 core or more chip....lmfao. nvidia is taking this mobile chipset game over. They already took over n blew the scene open with first dual core device tegra2. Then everybody copies them and made dual core. Same here with quadcore. They the first with it and people copying. Nvidia already a generation ahead of anyone. Once others quad cores come out, nvidia will have 8 core CPU and like 24 core GPU.
Here some stats n specs to easily make you drool. Other chipsets are nothing.
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Plus to make the excuse that its not fair to compare Tegra3 THD games to ipad2 is a cop out. Its not nvidia n developers fault that they were smart enough to make use of the tegra3. That's Ipad fault if they made the game to work ln ipad1 n 2. I have an ipad1. And really like it but can't Hold a candle to my Prime. That's why I always said ipad2 not even really much since all games on ipad1 look the same or just as good as the same ones played on ipad2. Ipad2 has very few optimized games for it. IOS does have some heavy hitter games. I do acknowledge the fact that IOS games n apps are more diverse and optimized overall for IOS devices. This is where Android needs to come up at. More tablet only apps n games. Ipad n ipad2 is a beast. Can't deny it. Bit there will be far more potential met with Tegra3.
P.s.: this all is like football....so don't take anything personal. Tegra3 is my team n I guess SGX is yours.
Tegra3 is alot more than just a slight step up from Tegra2. This is a huge step above anything out in the market today. Plus another f.y.I. yes CPU n gpu are 2 different things but one is nothing without the other. A POWERful CPU can make the most out of a gpu n push the envelope of it.
Electrofreak said:
This seems to pretty handily answer the question:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/3
These are benchmarks tested off-screen so screen resolution does not play into things, and the test is a GPU test; CPU quad-core compatibility does not play into it.
As I said in previous posts, the Tegra 3 is definitely a strong step up from Tegra 2 in performance, but does not match the SGX543MP2 in the iPad 2. But, as I also said, as many tablet apps for iOS do not actually make full use of the true power of the SGX543MP2, while THD apps for Android typically are designed to make use of Tegra ULP GeForce processing power, it's a rather pointless argument.
EDIT - And just to satisfy those who might be upset that our GPU is not the absolute best, it's a close second and our CPU kicks the crap out of the competition for now. As is the way of things, in a few months we'll see the Krait Snapdragons take the throne...
EDIT 2 - AnandTech also did a good summary of the differences between the Tegra 2 and Tegra 3 GPUs: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5072/nvidias-tegra-3-launched-architecture-revealed/2
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I dont trust anything from Anandtech anymore I believe they cherry pick bull**** sections of tests to make a certain brand look superior ( hint: Im king Neptune lord and ruler of the seven seas I have spoken)
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ilostmypistons said:
I dont trust anything from Anandtech anymore I believe they cherry pick bull**** sections of tests to make a certain brand look superior ( hint: Im king Neptune lord and ruler of the seven seas I have spoken)
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I agree. People lost faith in that source.
Wow a thread that is not about whining or telling what works/does not work on their devices! *dance*
I'd say its all about optimization when it comes to actual games. Benchmarks are cool to compare if OC actually makes a difference i guess... But to compare totally different chips? Its a hypothetical situation none the less.
If you compare launch titles of console games with what games looks like shortly before the next generation comes out, its quite astonishing. What you can get out of a chip with proper optimization.
Every actual mobile game runs perfectly fine on both chips and absolutely smooth. I'm really looking forward to stuff like the DarkMaedow or DaVinci heroes, real Tegra3 games, not something that got ported. From the trailers they look very nice.
Kinda sad, that my tablet now puts way better graphics on my TV than my home console (wii)
But for me there's one big thing people talk much too less about when it comes to comparing ipad and prime in terms of gaming. The prime has full gamepad support. So games like shooters actually make fun.
clouds5 said:
Wow a thread that is not about whining or telling what works/does not work on their devices! *dance*
I'd say its all about optimization when it comes to actual games. Benchmarks are cool to compare if OC actually makes a difference i guess... But to compare totally different chips? Its a hypothetical situation none the less.
If you compare launch titles of console games with what games looks like shortly before the next generation comes out, its quite astonishing. What you can get out of a chip with proper optimization.
Every actual mobile game runs perfectly fine on both chips and absolutely smooth. I'm really looking forward to stuff like the DarkMaedow or DaVinci heroes, real Tegra3 games, not something that got ported. From the trailers they look very nice.
Kinda sad, that my tablet now puts way better graphics on my TV than my home console (wii)
But for me there's one big thing people talk much too less about when it comes to comparing ipad and prime in terms of gaming. The prime has full gamepad support. So games like shooters actually make fun.
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I would be very dissapointed if these new tegra 3 games don’t have native hardware dock control support.
I love playing games that support the dock right off the bat, and NOT having support wouldn't make sense because the prime is the only tegra 3 device out there!!
Back on topic.
As for the GPU argument, the mobile tech space is just retarded atm. Developers are not even close to maxing out hardware. Some people think that GTA 3 or glowball is pushing what tegra 3 can do, a 1GHZ desire HD can run GTA 3 fine and glowball runs (almost) fine on my prime when underclocked to 800 mhz!
Go figure
Here are some hardcore facts on Tegra3 and what app n Game developers had to say about tegra3 and its CPU and GPU. We haven't even begun to see what's truly capable yet.
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IneffablePigeon said:
First off, windows 7 and windows 8 desktop edition will never work on the prime because they won't run on an ARM processor. Theoretically Windows 8 for ARM could run on the Prime, but it will be very hard to do in practice because Windows 8 ARM will only boot using a secure, verified bootloader which the prime doesn't have.
Even if you could get windows running, current windows applications would not work - windows applications are compiled for x86 processors and would have to be rebuilt in order to work on an ARM platform. So the chance of AAA games like half life 2 are very small.
Finally, even if they were ported, the graphics power of the Prime is still far below what you get in a normal PC these days. GTAIII is getting towards the limit of what you can do on Tegra 3 without some serious device specific optimisation - I don't think half life would run that well at all, although the source engine is very scaleable in terms of performance so it might be somewhat doable.
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Huh? GTA 3 pushing limits of tegra3? Lmfao yeah right..that's funny as hell. That game no where near graphics n gsmeplay of Shadowgun THD edition. Actually no game has even come close to pushing the limits of Tegra3 yet. Boy that was funny..lol. tegra2 can push GTA 3 easily. Its already been stated that alot of major PC games would already be easy to port to prime without any loss in graphics or performance. TEGRA3 more powerful than dual core PC. With tegra3 pushing over 5Ghz total from all cores, we have yet to see anything even make tegra3 sweat yet. This is the only tegra3 device and its barely over a month old.
Here are some facts on Tegra3 and what app n game developers had to say about it.
NVIDIA Quad-Core Tegra 3 Chip Sets New Standards of Mobile Computing Performance, Energy Efficiency
Tegra 3's Fifth 'Companion' Core Enables Ultra-Low Power Consumption, While Advanced Quad-Core Processors Drive Record-Breaking Performance
SANTA CLARA, CA -- (Marketwire) -- 11/08/2011 -- NVIDIA today ushered in the era of quad-core mobile computing with the introduction of the NVIDIA® Tegra® 3 processor, bringing PC-class performance levels, better battery life and improved mobile experiences to tablets and phones. The world's first quad-core tablet with the Tegra 3 processor is the ASUS Eee Pad Transformer Prime.
Known previously by the codename "Project Kal-El," the Tegra 3 processor provides up to 3x the graphics performance of Tegra 2, and up to 61 percent lower power consumption. This translates
NVIDIA's Tegra 3 quad-core processor brings PC-class
into an industry-leading 12 hours of battery life for
performance levels, better battery life and improved mobile
HD video playback.
experiences to tablets and phones.
The Tegra 3 processor implements a new, patent-pending technology known as Variable Symmetric Multiprocessing (vSMP). vSMP includes a fifth CPU "companion," specifically designed for work requiring little power. The four main cores are specifically designed for work requiring high performance, and generally consume less power than dual-core processors.
During tasks that require less power consumption -- like listening to music, playing back video or updating background data -- the Tegra 3 processor completely shuts down its four performance-tuned cores and, instead, uses its companion core. For high-performance tasks -- like web browsing, multitasking and gaming -- the Tegra 3 processor disables the companion.
The ASUS Eee Pad Transformer Prime is the world's first
"NVIDIA's fifth core is ingenious," said Nathan
quad-core tablet with Tegra 3.
Brookwood, Research Fellow at Insight 64. "Tegra 3's vSMP technology extends the battery life of next-generation mobile devices by using less power when they're handling undemanding tasks and then ratcheting up performance when it's really needed."
The Tegra 3 quad-core CPUs are complemented with a new 12-core NVIDIA GeForce® GPU, which delivers more realism with dynamic lighting, physical effects and high resolution environments, plus support for 3D stereo, giving developers the means to bring the next generation of mobile games to life.
Tegra 3 provides the fastest, highest-quality gaming,
For the millions who play games on mobile devices,
including new Tegra 3-optimized TegraZone games such as
the Tegra 3 processor provides an experience
Shadowgun, Riptide GP, Bladeslinger and Sprinkle.
comparable to that of a game console. It offers full game-controller support, enabling consumers to play games on their tablet or super phone, or connect to big screen HDTVs for a truly immersive experience. It also leverages NVIDIA's award-winning 3D Vision technology and automatically converts OpenGL applications to stereo 3D, so consumers can experience 3D on a big screen 3D TV (via HDMI™ 1.4 technology).
The Tegra 3 processor provides the industry's....
Fastest web experience - with accelerated Adobe Flash Player 11, HTML5 and WebGL browsing, and an optimized Javascript engine Fastest applications - with blazing performance for multimedia apps, such as photo and video editing Fastest multitasking - for switching between common uses, such as playing music and games, and background tasks Fastest, highest-quality gaming - including new Tegra 3 processor-optimized NVIDIA Tegra Zone™ app games such as Shadowgun, Riptide GP, Sprinkle, Big Top THD, Bladeslinger, DaVinci THD and Chidori.
Highlights / Key Facts:
The Tegra 3 processor redefines power consumption and mobile-computing performance with: The world's first quad-core ARM Cortex A9 CPU New patent-pending vSMP technology, including a fifth CPU core that runs at a lower frequency and operates at exceptionally low power 12-core GeForce GPU, with 3x the graphics performance of the Tegra 2 processor, including support for stereoscopic 3D New video engines with support for 1080p high profile video at 40 Mbps Up to 3x higher memory bandwidth Up to 2x faster Image Signal Processor 40 games are expected to be available by the end of 2011, and over 15 Tegra 3 games are under development for Tegra Zone, NVIDIA's free Android Market app that showcases the best games optimized for the Tegra processor.
NVIDIA's 'Glowball Part 2' demo shows off what's possible in mobile graphics thanks to Tegra 3's quad-core technology.
The Tegra 3 processor is in production. Developers can order the Tegra 3 Developer Kit to create applications for devices with Tegra such as tablets and super phones, at developer.nvidia.com/tegra.
Quotes: NVIDIA, ASUS
"The Eee Pad Transformer Prime is a category-defining product. Powered by Tegra 3, it launches us into a new era of mobile computing, in which quad-core performance and super energy-efficiency provide capabilities never available before. With Transformer Prime, ASUS has once again led the industry into the next generation." - Jen-Hsun Huang, President and Chief Executive Officer, NVIDIA
"Tegra 3 is a marvel. Its quad-core CPU, 12-core GeForce GPU and vSMP technology are revolutionary. We worked closely with NVIDIA to build the ultimate tablet -- the Eee Pad Transformer Prime -- that delivers a magical, uncompromised experience to consumers." - Jerry Shen, CEO at ASUS
Key Game Developers
"Thanks to Tegra 3's quad-core CPUs, Shadowgun looks and plays the best on Tegra. Consumers are going to love the quad-core Shadowgun version -- which features rag doll physics, console quality water simulation, particle effects, enhanced shaders, dynamic textures, and more." - Marek Rabas, CEO of Madfinger Games
"Riptide GP showed how Tegra brought mobile gaming on Android to new heights. Tegra 3's quad-core performance has allowed us to add a whole set of exclusive new features -- improved water visuals, splash effects, motion blur -- that pushes the experience to an entirely new level." - Matt Small, Creative Director at Vector Unit
"Working with NVIDIA makes the impossible possible. Our Tegra 3 optimized game DaVinci THD will look brilliant when it comes out, with mind-blowing 3D graphics and intuitive touchscreen interface. DaVinci THD will leverage Tegra 3 for its multi-threading capabilities, so we can scale across all four CPU cores and deliver the ultimate console-quality performance. As a result, DaVinci THD will be more realistic, interactive and challenging than anything we've done before." - Kijong Kang, VP and Executive Producer at Bridea Corporation
"Combining BitSquid's tech engine with Tegra 3's quad core architecture means a gaming experience like no other. Gamers are going to really see the next-generation gaming experience in Hamilton's Great Adventure THD." - Martin Wahlund, CEO at Fatshark
"With Tegra 3, NVIDIA has shattered the usual constraints on the quality of mobile device experiences. By enabling tablets and smartphones to operate at an exceptional level, it allows developers like Zen Studios to create console-quality experiences that can be enjoyed anywhere, anytime. The quad-core fueled graphics and physics in Zen Pinball THD are simply incredible and represent the premier mobile pinball experience. You can only get that on devices built on Tegra 3." - Mel Kirk, Vice President of Marketing and Public Relations at Zen Studios
"Quad-core chips are raising the stakes for mobile gaming. With Tegra 3, we can render even more content with better animations on Bladeslinger THD -- all while consuming less power. This is a recipe for all-day game play." - Sam Williams, General Manager at Luma Arcade
"Tegra 3 is making much more complex gaming environments possible on mobile platforms. Gamers are going to be amazed by the level of graphical detail and realistic physics that come through in quad-core enhanced games like Soulcraft THD." - Karsten Wysk, CEO of Mobile Bits
"As we've seen on Big Top THD, gaming performance on Tegra 3's quad-core architecture is unmatched. From the high quality shadows to improved tent animation and high-dive splash effects, Tegra 3's 12-core GPU delivers the best gaming experience and uses the lowest power you'll see on a mobile device." - Robert Troughton, CEO at Pitbull Studio Ltd.
"Tegra 3's quad-cores bring out the best in our Substance smart texturing engine. The CPU and GPU parallel processing allows mobile game developers to add never-seen animated visual effects and textures to their games, translating into an absolutely stunning visual experience on mobile." - Sébastien Deguy, CEO and Founder at Allegorithmic
"Tegra 3's quad-core processor and 12-core GPU allows developers to port PC and console game titles using BitSquid Tech for the same great experience on any device. From a hard-core gamer's customized PC to a phone or tablet with Tegra, you'll get identical game play and buttery smooth graphics, anywhere any time." - Tobias Persson, Co-Founder and Rendering Architect at BitSquid Tech
"We're excited to bring the definitive version of Siegecraft to Tegra 3. Its amazing graphics performance and quad-core scaling let us amp up the game to the max -- more physics, more units, more Siegecraft!" - Benjamin Lee, Managing Director at Blowfish Studios
"Thanks to Tegra 3's fantastic GPU performance we were able to use the same quality textures in Zombie Driver THD as on the PC. The outstanding quad-core CPU performance makes it possible to support Tegra game development in parallel to other high-end platforms." - Pawel Lekki, Chief Operating Officer at Exor Studios
"Quad-core technology has changed how we approach mobile game development. Tegra 3 helped us create Jett Tailfin Racers THD -- an eight-player game with the highest resolution textures, underwater caustics and anisotropic shading we've ever seen on a mobile device." - Manny Granillo, President at Hoplite Research
"Mobile gaming is about to take a huge leap forward with Tegra 3. Its GPU gives us access to higher-resolution textures and far better effects. And its four CPUs make Euphoria's gameplay smoother, more interactive and quality that's close to a console." - Keiichi Yano, Co-Founder and VP of Development at iNiS
"It's incredible what Tegra 3's quad-core architecture brings to mobile gaming. As good as Combat Arms looks on a tablet, it looks 1000 times better when you connect it to your HDTV, strap on game controllers and sit back to enjoy a real 3D console-gaming experience with Combat Arms: Zombies THD." - Albert Rim, CEO at Nexon Mobile Corporation
"With the Tegra 3 processor, NVIDIA is once again painting new horizons for technology on wireless platforms. We're excited to see how the thousands of developers using Unity to create interactive 3D content will take advantage of the extra power that NVIDIA's quad-core technology provides." - Tony Garcia, Vice President of Business Development at Unity Technologies
"Tegra 3 is equivalent to a console game machine, and we believe devices with it will play an important part in next-generation games. We've been working on optimizing our cross-platform engine Chidori to fully support Tegra 3. To support Tegra 3's multi-core engine, we've optimized our 3D effect tool. And we've adapted our high-quality shader library, Aoi, to Tegra 3, allowing truly beautiful imagery." - Katsunori Yamaji, CEO and Executive Producer at Premium Agency Inc.
"By harnessing the strength of Tegra 3's 12-core GPU in our multiplatform middleware, game developers can easily port titles to Tegra 3 and achieve true console-quality graphics. Tegra 3's quad-core architecture and Orochi's multicore-enhanced, game-engine technology is going to spur the evolution of games on quad-core mobile devices." - Takehiko Terada, President and CEO at Silicon Studio Corporation
"We're totally pumped by the potential of Tegra 3's quad-core CPU and 12-core GPU. They'll bring console-quality experiences to mobile devices, and we're working to bring an amazing title to the Tegra platform. Stay tuned for our announcement of a great Tegra 3-optimized title in the coming months." - Richie Casper, Creative Director at Acquire Corp.
"NVIDIA's GPU architecture delivers the best gaming experience, bringing true console-quality games to mobile devices. Our Lost Planet 2 test demo makes it clear -- the quad-core muscle of Tegra 3 brings hyper-realistic visuals, smooth frame rates and sharp images. The result is a whole new level of realism to content for smartphones and tablets." - Jun Takeuchi, Deputy Head of Consumer Games at Capcom
"Tegra 3 is a huge leap forward in mobile computing. Using its quad-core capabilities, we were able to improve all of Sprinkle's visual effects, plus add a whole new layer of smoke simulation." - Dennis Gustafsson, Co-Founder of Mediocre
"We're floored by everything we've seen in Tegra 3. Its four cores, coupled with amazing graphics performance, will let us bring awesome gaming experiences to the Tegra platform next year." - Carlo Perconti, CEO at HyperDevBox
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"Flash-based apps packaged with AIR allow content creators to deliver premium gaming and video experiences, while HTML5 apps built with PhoneGap enable fantastic, general-purpose mobile apps. We continue our close partnership with NVIDIA to ensure that these visually rich, highly-interactive apps can significantly benefit from Tegra 3's enhanced CPU and GPU horsepower." - Jennifer Carr, Senior Director, Business Development at Adobe
"We've been developing multimedia applications on Tegra 3 for some time now. The quad-core processing muscle will allow some new apps and use-cases that consumers are going to love." - George Tang, General Manager and VP of the Video and Entertainment Group at ArcSoft
"Tegra 3's quad-core performance makes a huge difference for photo and augmented reality apps. Our Photaf Panorama Pro THD app runs more than 40% faster, and Face Costume gets over 60 percent speedup over comparable dual-core processors. Quad core opens up new possibilities for future application development, especially in the field of computer vision." - Oren Bengigi, CEO at Bengigi Studio
"Tegra 3 gives us the quad-core horsepower to really push the envelope on cool video editing effects, smooth video playback, augmented reality camera and other challenging applications. With Tegra 3, we're delivering real-time compositing and preview of simultaneous 1080p HD streams and graphics on a mobile device -- that's amazing." - Alice H. Chang, CEO at Cyberlink
"Seamless, compelling Augmented Reality (AR) experiences demand that all of the pieces of a mobile device work together. Metaio's AR software requires optimized mobile hardware to make the way we access digital information a more natural experience. Tegra 3 delivers the multi-core CPU performance required for advanced vision processing while bringing a tremendous boost in GPU performance. Working with Tegra's software stack will make it possible for us to utilize all of those capabilities towards building an Augmented World." - Dr. Thomas Alt, CEO at metaio
"Tegra 3's combination of HD video playback performance and extended battery life will give Netflix members a fantastic experience as they watch movies and TV episodes streaming from Netflix via their Android devices." - Bill Holmes, Vice President of Business Development at Netflix
"Tegra 3 gives us the horsepower we need to bring a PC-quality photo editing experience to mobile devices through applications like Snapseed, by Nik Software." - Michael Slater, President and CEO at Nik Software
"By collaborating with NVIDIA, we are able to bring advanced multi-touch and pen capabilities to the tablet market, providing the Android user with a smoother and richer user experience, and enhancing the tablet from a basic consumption device to one that offers more personal and creative capabilities. The processing strength provided by Tegra 3's additional cores will enable application developers to dedicate CPU cycles to UI processing and provide an enriched pen solution for artistic, enterprise and educational applications." - Amichai Ben David, CEO of N-Trig
"The tablet and mobile device market are exploding and productivity applications are central to this growth. As the most widely distributed mobile office software, we are excited to partner with NVIDIA to take advantage of the enhanced capabilities inherent in the Tegra 3 quad-core chip to bring continued innovation in the marketplace." - David Halpin, VP of Engineering at Quickoffice
"Splashtop plus Tegra 3 offers users an unparalleled cross-device experience. Splashtop enables sharing content among smart phones, tablets, and TVs, and combined with Tegra 3's quad-core processing muscle, it can support 30 frames-per-second video with extremely low latency --perfect for games and multimedia!" - Mark Lee, CEO and Co-Founder of Splashtop
"WebGL is being rapidly adopted on HTML5-capable desktop, laptop and netbook systems, and now NVIDIA is helping to bring WebGL to Android. Tegra 3 delivers an incredible level of performance --the four cores provide the multi-threading horsepower needed to drive a complete browser stack including highly interactive 3D." - Ken Russell, Chair, WebGL Working Group
"Tegra already provides the fastest platform for silky smooth magazine reading on Android. The quad-core capabilities of Tegra 3 will help us further accelerate and enhance the complete browsing, downloading and reading experience." - Vandan Parikh, Director, Reading and Mobile Technologies at Zinio.
Did i just start a war between ipad and prime fanboys? i was never meant to be like that, i was only asking a question
Is it just my two cents or has Electrofreak been the only one to contribute usefulness to this post? Everything else I've read here seems to have enough signal to noise ratio that I feel like it's a huddle, and I don't play football.
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Electrofreak is 100% correct on his statements, Tegra 3 delivers 300% more graphics performance, but is still slightly lower than A5 iPad 2 GPU.
cfaberlle said:
Electrofreak is 100% correct on his statements, Tegra 3 delivers 300% more graphics performance, but is still slightly lower than A5 iPad 2 GPU.
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Indeed, that's all I said, and I even pointed out that iOS apps don't make full use of the SGX543MP2 in the iPad 2. But I stepped on some toes and I revealed that I used to get paid for my opinion, and thus I invoked the fanboi wrath.
Anyone can quote any source they want to make any point. I could spend an hour writing a counter-point post citing half a dozen other sources that could prove definitively that the moon is made of cheese. And frankly, I trust AnandTech more than most others. Half of the tech websites out there are getting paid to skew their numbers. No matter what anyone says, AnandTech has proven the most informative and the least biased I've seen, consistently.
I know people who were at CES and I've talked with them privately about Krait, Exynos, Wolfsdale, and other SoCs. Exynos is frankly the one that appeared most impressive at CES, but knowing what I know about Qualcomm (the fact that they actually have an architecture license unlike most SoC manufacturers) and the large amount of R&D they invest into SoC development means that they should not be idly dismissed. NVIDIA, for example, just purchased a similar license at considerable expense so as to remain competitive.
Anyhow, I'm a former editor for a reason; I had to extract myself from the constant obsession with ARM hardware because it's never-ending and takes up way too much time. I type this post on a Transformer Prime that I got for free, and I know little more than the basics of it's SoC layout because if I really went and dug into the whitepapers like I used to, I probably wouldn't have time for things that are a lot more important (my family, for a start). It may seem silly, but I really did waste a ridiculous amount of time reading about ARM.
Sometimes, you don't have to know everything about something to enjoy it. To answer the OP, no, it's not as powerful as the iPad 2. But the iPad 2 blows, Android FTW.
PS - A long list of quotes praising the Transformer Prime and Tegra 3 as provided by NVIDIA and ASUS was actually used to reinforce a point in this thread. Thanks for the chuckle!
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So I've been lurking on the prime's forums for a while now and noticed the debate of whether the new qualcomm dual core will be better or the current tegra 3 that the prime has. Obviously if both were clocked the same then the tegra 3 would be better. Also I understand that the gpu of the tegra 3 is better. However, for normal user (surf web, play a movie, songs etc) isn't dual core at 1.5 ghz better in that an average user will rarely use more 2 cores? The way I understand it each core is able to handle 1 task so in order to activate the 3rd core you would have to have 3 things going on at the same time? Could someone please explain this to me?
First of all, the tegra 3 can go up to 1.6 ghz. Secondly, all 4 cores can be utilized by a multi threading app. Lastly, battery is great on tegra III due to teh companion core.
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First of all, the tegra 3 can go up to 1.6 ghz. Secondly, all 4 cores can be utilized by a multi threading app. Lastly, battery is great on tegra III due to teh companion core.
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But the native clock for that qualcomm would be 1.5 meaning o/c can take it higher. Also doesn't being dual core compared to quad core give it an edge in battery? You do bring up a good point with the multi threading app. Also to clarify I am not standing up for the qualcomm chip or putting down the tegra 3 just trying to get things straight.
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Hey I'm the ....idiot aboard here....lol
But the tegra 3 has a companion core, being a fifth core, to take over when the tablet is not stressed. Thus saving the battery.
I am just repeating what I have read, I have no knowledge of how it all works. I guess that is how we can get better battery life.
Just trying to help the OP, maybe some one way smarter can chime in. Shouldn't be hard....lol
Quad core is better by far. On low level tasks, simple things, and screen off/deep sleep the companion core takes over. Meaning its running on a low powered single core. This companion core only has a Max of 500Mhz speed. So when in deep sleep or low level tasks, companion core alone is running everything at only 102mhz -500Mhz. Most of the time on the lower end. Therefore tegra3 has the better battery life since all it's low power level tasks are ran by a single low powered companion core. That's 1 low powered core compared to 2 high powered cores trying to save battery. Quad core better all around. We hsvent even begun real overclocking yet. The 1.6Ghz speed was already in the kernel. So if you rooted n using vipercontrol or ATP tweaks or virtuous rom, we can access those speeds at any time. Once we really start overclocking higher than 1.6Ghz we will have an even more superior advantage. Anyone knows 4 strong men are stronger than 2..lol. tegra3 and nvidia is the future. Tegra3 is just the chip that kicked down the door on an evolution of mobile chip SoC.
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If you really want to learn the in and outs of tegra3, all the details, and how its better than any dual core, check out this thread I made. I have a whitepaper attachment in that thread you can download and read. Its made by nvidia themselves and goes into great detail on tegra3 by the people who created it, Nvidia. Check it out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1512936
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But the native clock for that qualcomm would be 1.5 meaning o/c can take it higher. Also doesn't being dual core compared to quad core give it an edge in battery? You do bring up a good point with the multi threading app. Also to clarify I am not standing up for the qualcomm chip or putting down the tegra 3 just trying to get things straight.
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The maximum clock speed isn't all that important, since during tasks like web browsing, watching videos & movies and listening to music you will never push the processor to its highest available clock speed anyway. All mobile devices will underclock their processors so that you rarely have unused clock cycles eating up battery life. So all things being relatively equal performance would be about the same between both tablets during these types of lightweight tasks.
If you have a lot of background processes running, then the quad-core system might have an edge in performance since theoretically different tasks can be pushed off to different processors. However this use case is rarely found in Android. You might have an app checking weather or syncing photos in the background, or you might have music playing while you web surf, but those are generally fairly lightweight tasks that usually won't test the processor performance of your device.
In tasks that will stress you processor, such as 3D gaming, then quad cores have a very large advantage over dual core systems, despite the slight difference in maximum clock speeds. In addition the Tegra 3 has a more powerful GPU than the new Qualcomm chip, which will definitely make a noticeable difference in gaming performance.
Now when it comes to ultra-low power tasks or when the tablet is on Standby, the Tegra 3 uses its "companion core" which has incredibly low power requirements, so it can continue to sync your email, twitter and weather updates for days (or weeks) while having very little impact on the Transformer Prime's battery.
So in short, the Tegra 3 is more likely to outperform the Qualcomm in situations where you actually need extra performance. In light tasks performance between the two should be about the same. Battery life is yet to be definitively determined, however the Tegra's 3 ultra-low power companion core should give it an edge when only doing light tasks or on standb.
Keep in mind, the Tegra 3 in the TF Prime has a maximum clock speed of 1300Mhz. One core has a maximum clock speed of 1400Mhz. If all things were equal, a difference of 100-200 Mhz n a 1Ghz+ processor is practically unnoticeable in daily usage.
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The maximum clock speed isn't all that important, since during tasks like web browsing, watching videos & movies and listening to music you will never push the processor to its highest available clock speed anyway. All mobile devices will underclock their processors so that you rarely have unused clock cycles eating up battery life. So all things being relatively equal performance would be about the same between both tablets during these types of lightweight tasks.
If you have a lot of background processes running, then the quad-core system might have an edge in performance since theoretically different tasks can be pushed off to different processors. However this use case is rarely found in Android. You might have an app checking weather or syncing photos in the background, or you might have music playing while you web surf, but those are generally fairly lightweight tasks that usually won't test the processor performance of your device.
In tasks that will stress you processor, such as 3D gaming, then quad cores have a very large advantage over dual core systems, despite the slight difference in maximum clock speeds. In addition the Tegra 3 has a more powerful GPU than the new Qualcomm chip, which will definitely make a noticeable difference in gaming performance.
Now when it comes to ultra-low power tasks or when the tablet is on Standby, the Tegra 3 uses its "companion core" which has incredibly low power requirements, so it can continue to sync your email, twitter and weather updates for days (or weeks) while having very little impact on the Transformer Prime's battery.
So in short, the Tegra 3 is more likely to outperform the Qualcomm in situations where you actually need extra performance. In light tasks performance between the two should be about the same. Battery life is yet to be definitively determined, however the Tegra's 3 ultra-low power companion core should give it an edge when only doing light tasks or on standb.
Keep in mind, the Tegra 3 in the TF Prime has a maximum clock speed of 1300Mhz. One core has a maximum clock speed of 1400Mhz. If all things were equal, a difference of 100-200 Mhz n a 1Ghz+ processor is practically unnoticeable in daily usage.
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Wow! Thanks for taking the time for breaking it down for me like that! I understand exactly where your coming from and now have to agree.
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Quad core is better by far.
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At least that is what Nvidia would like you to think.
The Tegra 3 uses an older ARM core for it's quad core design while Qualcomm uses their own ARM instruction set compatible core for their Krait S4 design. For most current benchmarks the Qualcomm Krait S4 dual core seems to outpace the Tegra 3 by quite a large margin. And of course Krait will be expanded to quad core later this year.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
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At least that is what Nvidia would like you to think.
The Tegra 3 uses an older ARM core for it's quad core design while Qualcomm uses their own ARM instruction set compatible core for their Krait S4 design. For most current benchmarks the Qualcomm Krait S4 dual core seems to outpace the Tegra 3 by quite a large margin. And of course Krait will be expanded to quad core later this year.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
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There's already another thread on what you just mentioned and the Krait claims were easily shot down. Tegra3 still a better chip overall. Plus krait gpu was subpar to tegra3. We have more links and stuff in other thread showing Prime still right up there
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There's already another thread on what you just mentioned and the Krait claims were easily shot down. Tegra3 still a better chip overall. Plus krait gpu was subpar to tegra3. We have more links and stuff in other thread showing Prime still right up there
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As unlikely as that seems considering the slower cores that Nvidia uses, links to real benchmarks ( not self serving white papers ) would be appreciated. I have glanced at your Tegra3 thread but have not read it all the way through after I saw that it seemed to depend a lot on a white paper and not real comparison tests. It is true that the current GPU the Krait uses is not as fast as the one in the Tegra 3, but graphics is only one element of overall performance. The only benchmarks that I have seen Tegra beat out Krait on were benchmarks that emphasized more than two threads, and then not by much.
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As unlikely as that seems considering the slower cores that Nvidia uses, links to real benchmarks ( not self serving white papers ) would be appreciated. I have glanced at your Tegra3 thread but have not read it all the way through after I saw that it seemed to depend a lot on a white paper and not real comparison tests. It is true that the current GPU the Krait uses is not as fast as the one in the Tegra 3, but graphics is only one element of overall performance. The only benchmarks that I have seen Tegra beat out Krait on were benchmarks that emphasized more than two threads, and then not by much.
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Its not my tegra3 thread I'm talking about. I think its the Prime alternatives thread created by shinzz. We had a huge debate over it. More benchmarks n supporting arguments in that thread. Check it out if you get the chance.
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Its not my tegra3 thread I'm talking about. I think its the Prime alternatives thread created by shinzz. We had a huge debate over it. More benchmarks n supporting arguments in that thread. Check it out if you get the chance.
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Thanks, Will do. Gotta run for a doctor appointment right now though.
I frankly think the power savings with the fifth core is mostly hype. According to many battery tests I've read online and my own experiences with my Prime, it doesn't get much different battery life from dual core tablets.
Quad core is better for future but problem for backwards compatibility... it's definitely good for tablet.
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Quad core is better for future but problem for backwards compatibility... it's definitely good for tablet.
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Here is another benchmark that shows that there is a least one current dual core that can soundly beat the Nvida quad core at benchmarks that are not heavily multithreaded.
http://www.extremetech.com/computin...ragon-s4-has-the-competition-on-the-defensive
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I frankly think the power savings with the fifth core is mostly hype. According to many battery tests I've read online and my own experiences with my Prime, it doesn't get much different battery life from dual core tablets.
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No dual core android tablet battery last longer than an ipad1. My prime easily outlasts my Ipad in battery life. The battery hype is real. Tons of people here seeing 9-11hrs+ on a single charge with moderate to semi heavy use on balanced mode. Even longer on power savings mode.
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No dual core android tablet battery last longer than an ipad1. My prime easily outlasts my Ipad in battery life. The battery hype is real. Tons of people here seeing 9-11hrs+ on a single charge with moderate to semi heavy use on balanced mode. Even longer on power savings mode.
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Really? I get 9-12 hours constant use on balanced. Plus 6 more with the dock.
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I think if Krait were to come out with quad core then it would beat out tegra 3 otherwise no. Also they are supposed to improve the chip with updated gpu to 3.xx in future releases. Also benchmarks have been proven to be wrong in the past so who knows? Not like benchmarks can determine real life performance, nor does the average user need that much power.
Companion core really does work
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Really? I get 9-12 hours constant use on balanced. Plus 6 more with the dock.
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Strange, we just started uni here (Australia) and I've been using my prime all day, showing it off to friends (to their absolute amazement!) showing off glowball, camera effects with eyes, mouth etc. 2 hours of lecture typing, gaming on the train, watched a few videos and an episode of community played music on speaker for about 40 mins, webbrowsed etc etc started using at lightly at 9 am (only properly at say 1:30 pm) and it's 10:00pm now and GET THIS!!:
72% battery on tablet and 41% on the dock. It's just crazy man. No joke, it just keeps going, I can't help but admit the power saving must be real :/
Edit: Whoops, I quoted the wrong guy, but you get the idea.
That's what I'm saying. Battery life on prime is great. Add a dock n battery life is sick!
I do agree a quad core variant of krait or S4 will give tegra3 a really good battle. Regardless I'm more than satisfied with power of tegra3. I'm not the type as soon as i see a newer or higher spec tab, ill feel like mines is useless or outdated. With have developement going hard now for this device. Just wait till the 1.8-2ghz+ overclock roms n kernels drop. Then we would even give new quad core higher speed chips a good run.
Above all of that, Android needs to developement more apps to take advantage of the more powerful chips like tegra3 and those that's upcoming. Software is still trying to catch up to hardware spec. Android apps haven't even all been made yet to take advantage of tegra2 power..yet lol. With nvidia/tegra3 we have advantage because developers are encouraged to make apps n games to take advantage of tegra3 power.
Regardless we all Android. Need to focus more on the bigger enemy, apple n IOS
Will the tegra 3+ processor affect performance in any way? And what are its drawbacks as compared to snapdragon? Also does it have any advantages over the snapdragon?
Not really. The tegra 3 to be truthful is one of thebworst SOCs on the market. The krait s4/s4 pro both out perform it in every aspect. Be it standard voltage, dye leakage (smaller transistors 28nm, as opposed to t3's 40nm), performance at similar clock speeds (float point, multitasking, etc). I feel like nvidia really has no clue what theyre doing looking at the architecture for the tegra 3. TI's OMAP crushes the krait s4, and the exynos chipsets usually are on top of that. The only real drawback to having an exynos chipaet is the lack lf source documentation on sammys part which makes development difficult. But with all thats been going on regarding that it looks like thats about to change. Exynos with documentation is as good as it gets since youre getting a powerhouse CPU and GPu. The t3 has got an okay gpu at best. Sorry to burst your bubble :/ just stating facts
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Not really. The tegra 3 to be truthful is one of thebworst SOCs on the market. The krait s4/s4 pro both out perform it in every aspect. Be it standard voltage, dye leakage (smaller transistors 28nm, as opposed to t3's 40nm), performance at similar clock speeds (float point, multitasking, etc). I feel like nvidia really has no clue what theyre doing looking at the architecture for the tegra 3. TI's OMAP crushes the krait s4, and the exynos chipsets usually are on top of that. The only real drawback to having an exynos chipaet is the lack lf source documentation on sammys part which makes development difficult. But with all thats been going on regarding that it looks like thats about to change. Exynos with documentation is as good as it gets since youre getting a powerhouse CPU and GPu. The t3 has got an okay gpu at best. Sorry to burst your bubble :/ just stating facts
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For me being USA ATT user would it then be best to choose the HTC ONE DLX instead of the ONE X+ due to the processors? Well neither are out yet so who knows if the US version processors will be any different. Just thinking with a 5" screen i'll need a back pack to carry it around, lol. Coming from an Iphone 4 3.5" screen to a possible X+ 4.7" screen is a huge jump in itself. Just can't stick with Apple after the huge let down of the Iphone 5 so making the switch as soon as these phones come out. New to all this stuff but had no idea Tegra 3 really that bad? Videos of the device look smooth and gameplay?
If you really wanna know about the power of the Tegra3, your gonna want to read these threads.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1476788
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1664391
The first thread will be a general discussion on the international HOX and has a lot of information concerning the Tegra3. A lot of pages, over 930, but worth the time to read to understand the Tegra3 chip and what it is capable of as well as some info regarding the S4. The second thread has 60+ pages and is concerning gaming on the HOX. Well worth the time to read and see what all had to be done to get the full potential of the Tegra3. You also have to evaluate your choices this way. The Tegra3 is built with gaming in mind. The S4Pro is built with all around performance in mind.
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Will the tegra 3+ processor affect performance in any way? And what are its drawbacks as compared to snapdragon? Also does it have any advantages over the snapdragon?
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it's a good processor, but not in comparison to the Exynos 4 quad and the snapdragon S4/S4 pro. Those are definitely better SoCs
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