Just to preface a couple of things:
I am not a developer.
I have never written code, a ROM, a Kernel, Theme, etc
I am just a regular Flashaholic that has been tinkering with Android since the OG EVO
I have about 300+ apps and games that I always restore to every ROM I run (What can I say, I am a Amazon Free App Whore and like to play games)
I have a Class 4 SanDisk 32 GB Micro SD card installed
If you are like me, you like to have the latest and the greatest on your phone and have been trying to find a good, stable build of Sense 3.5 for the EVO 3D. I have had issues with almost every Sense 3.5 ROM out there for the EVO 3D. Once I get everything flashed and restored, I get the dreaded bootloops every minute or so.
I tried most of the latest versions of 3.5 ROM's out there: Eternity, Hydro, Prime XL, AndroTech, etc. Every single one of them had issues with bootlooping (even though most people were saying it was a stable build) and I tried everything, fixing permissions, flashing a new kernel, wiping everything and starting fresh, etc. Nothing seemed to fix the issue. I got a few different suggestions to fix the issue. "It must be an incompatible app", "Try a different kernal", "Do a fresh flash and restore", "Don't restore data from the apps on Titanium Backup", etc. Nothing seemed to work. So, for the last week or two I have been playing around with different options trying to narrow down the issue.
The normal steps I would go through to get a new ROM setup (THIS CAUSED BOOTLOOPS):
Wipe Data, Cache and Dalvik 3 to 4 Times Each
Run Chad's Modified SuperWipe 2-3 times
Flash Sense 3.5 ROM
Reboot
Let it settle without logging into any accounts or restoring anything
Reboot to Recovery
Flash New Kernel (If desired)
Reboot and let settle
Reboot to Recovery
Flash Amaze Camera (If desired)
Reboot and let settle
Log Into Google (let sync), Log Into FB (let sync), log into all accounts (let sync)
Restore apps only (no data) through Titanium Backup
Let settle
Move all apps (that can be moved) to the SD card with App2SD Pro Application
The ROM might run fine for a little while, then BOOTLOOP
The last time I did this was 2 days ago on Prime XL Sense 3.5 and the same thing happened. I noticed that the phone would only bootloop when the application icons on the SD card started populating into the application drawer (meaning that the system was gathering them off of the SD card for use). Instead of wiping everything and starting over, I simply Uninstalled all applications with Titanium Backup and the bootloops stopped.
The steps I have taken since that have not caused a bootloop and have allowed me to reboot without issues:
Restored about 30 apps at a time all less than 30 Mb each
Moved only games under 30 Mb each to the SD Card through the HTC Low Storage Wizard
Installed a couple of 40+ Mb games like Blood & Glory and Bejeweled and did not move them to the SD card
With this process, I have been running Prime XL for more than 12 hours with only one random reboot and no bootloops. I can restart my phone with no issues.
I then moved a 40+ Mb game to my SD card and tried to reboot. Guess what, I got bootloops. I had to uninstall all the applications off of my SD card in between the 1 minute bootloops (took a few boots to get them all uninstalled since you have to do it through the Settings-->Applications-->SD Card menu). Once I got all of them off of my SD card, the bootloops stopped and I restored those applications again without the large game on my SD card and rebooted just fine. I repeated this again with a different app that was 40+ Mb and the same thing happened.
Like I said in the preface, I am no developer, coder, themer, etc. (Just a guy trying to figure out a problem), but it seems that the issue with these bootloops lies in reading large applications or games off of the SD card. It might also be the combination of having a lot of apps on the SD card and the larger app/game as well. It has nothing to do with anything else in the ROM as far as I can tell.
Hopefully a good dev can read this and find a way to fix the issue with whatever script is causing the problem. I think I have isolated the issue since the only thing that changed causing the bootloops was the larger app/game that I moved to the SD card.
It might help the devs if some other people can reproduce this issue and confirm what I am saying is correct for more than just me.
I have also tried this on Virus' Eternity 3.5 and Hydro 3.5 with similar results.
well let me ask you this...
are you the only one getting bootloops? seems if you are getting the same problem with every build, the issue is something you are doing. you should try getting a class 10 sd card or something with a much higher read capability and see if the issue goes away.
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cool story bro. and should i flash this from recovery? is a full format required before i flash???? oh wait.. wait..
also also...
it must take you years to flash a new rom... i dont understand the whole "let the phone settle" theory. as soon as i boot up i start logging into my accounts and sending text messages, browsing the web, using the phone. never had an issue that was traced back to "didnt let the phone settle" lol
in any case, i think you may be on to something here with this, but like i said the issue is isolated to your unique usage. flash a 3.0 rom like clean rom, go through that whole dragged out install process again, same scenario, set up, everything, and see if you get bootloops.
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well let me ask you this...
are you the only one getting bootloops? seems if you are getting the same problem with every build, the issue is something you are doing. you should try getting a class 10 sd card or something with a much higher read capability and see if the issue goes away.
also...
cool story bro. and should i flash this from recovery? is a full format required before i flash???? oh wait.. wait..
also also...
it must take you years to flash a new rom... i dont understand the whole "let the phone settle" theory. as soon as i boot up i start logging into my accounts and sending text messages, browsing the web, using the phone. never had an issue that was traced back to "didnt let the phone settle" lol
in any case, i think you may be on to something here with this, but like i said the issue is isolated to your unique usage. flash a 3.0 rom like clean rom, go through that whole dragged out install process again, same scenario, set up, everything, and see if you get bootloops.
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I'm not the only one getting bootloops. I have read the same issue with people getting bootloops in every Sense 3.5 ROM all over this forum. I have been flashing for about a year now and usually flash a new ROM every week or two. I used to not go through that extended process, but I have been trying different things to get 3.5 stable. I was more trying things that I have heard. (like letting it settle) I don't think it really does anything, but it can't hurt.
I don't have this issue with Sense 3.0 buddy. I usually just wipe everything once, Superwipe once and then flash and restore and with Sense 3.0 it works fine. I tried that with Sense 3.5 and got bootloops. So like I said in the OP I started trying different things. The list of what I did just shows that I was being extremely careful.
Trust me, it is not the process or the SD card, because I have never had this issue with any other type of ROM besides Sense 3.5 and I am not the only one experiencing the bootloops.
Also, Class on an SD card is not an exact measurement. A Class 4 can be better than a Class 10 because the manufacture measures the speed differently or as a best case scenario instead of consistent performance. See Wikipedia info below:
"The Speed Class Rating is the official unit of speed measurement for SD cards. The class number guarantees a minimum write speed as a multiple of 8 Mbit/s (1 MB/s). The SD Association defines several speed class ratings, but manufacturers may claim conformance to those ratings without independent verification."
"is not as specific as Speed Classes are on how to measure speed. Manufacturers may report best-case speeds and may report the card's fastest read speed, which is typically faster than the write speed."
I would say it has to be an issue with you restoring from titanium backup. If you are doing it In a batch and your like me there are some sense 3.0 apks in my backups. If you batch restore anything that doesn't play nice with sense 3.5 it doesn't matter.if you are restoring data or not.at that point
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cobraboy85 said:
well let me ask you this...
are you the only one getting bootloops? seems if you are getting the same problem with every build, the issue is something you are doing. you should try getting a class 10 sd card or something with a much higher read capability and see if the issue goes away.
also...
cool story bro. and should i flash this from recovery? is a full format required before i flash???? oh wait.. wait..
also also...
it must take you years to flash a new rom... i dont understand the whole "let the phone settle" theory. as soon as i boot up i start logging into my accounts and sending text messages, browsing the web, using the phone. never had an issue that was traced back to "didnt let the phone settle" lol
in any case, i think you may be on to something here with this, but like i said the issue is isolated to your unique usage. flash a 3.0 rom like clean rom, go through that whole dragged out install process again, same scenario, set up, everything, and see if you get bootloops.
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Ok, your first point was helpful, but the rest was necessarily douchey. You should have just said your first point and then told him wrong section instead of making yourself look like a child. Way to go dude.
drgonzo712 said:
I'm not the only one getting bootloops. I have read the same issue with people getting bootloops in every Sense 3.5 ROM all over this forum. I have been flashing for about a year now and usually flash a new ROM every week or two. I used to not go through that extended process, but I have been trying different things to get 3.5 stable. I was more trying things that I have heard. (like letting it settle) I don't think it really does anything, but it can't hurt.
I don't have this issue with Sense 3.0 buddy. I usually just wipe everything once, Superwipe once and then flash and restore and with Sense 3.0 it works fine. I tried that with Sense 3.5 and got bootloops. So like I said in the OP I started trying different things. The list of what I did just shows that I was being extremely careful.
Trust me, it is not the process or the SD card, because I have never had this issue with any other type of ROM besides Sense 3.5 and I am not the only one experiencing the bootloops.
Also, Class on an SD card is not an exact measurement. A Class 4 can be better than a Class 10 because the manufacture measures the speed differently or as a best case scenario instead of consistent performance. See Wikipedia info below:
"The Speed Class Rating is the official unit of speed measurement for SD cards. The class number guarantees a minimum write speed as a multiple of 8 Mbit/s (1 MB/s). The SD Association defines several speed class ratings, but manufacturers may claim conformance to those ratings without independent verification."
"is not as specific as Speed Classes are on how to measure speed. Manufacturers may report best-case speeds and may report the card's fastest read speed, which is typically faster than the write speed."
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Word. That makes a little more sense then… and yes I am familiar with the difference between class rating and read speeds. In my personal experience, sandisk and PNY are the two that consistently rate their cards accurately. I only use PNY myself… anyways, back on topic…
Like somebody else suggested before this, you should try not using titanium back. Try these two things…
1 ) uninstall ALL data/app/ files (basically all of your apps you add with TB)… run the ROM for a few days, see if you get reboots. Run processor at stock frequencies, etc etc… as STOCK as possible for a few days (other than you having a custom ROM obviously.)
2 ) re-install apps, and do it manually, 1 by 1, with root explorer (reason is because root explorer is faster when doing it manually) and do not backup, restore, any kind of data whatsoever. You just want .apks. do not install any of them to the SD card.
3 ) move larger apps to the SD card
4) move all apps possible to the sd card
The point here is to change one dimension of your functioning ROM one phase at a time so you can easily pinpoint what is causing your issues. Very detailed process of elimination is key when trouble-shooting anything. For each one of these steps, wait a couple days to move to the next one. The longer you go without having a problem, the more likely it is that a problem showing itself after the next phase was indeed caused by that phase.
I am suspicious of TB, to be honest… I would start by removing that app out of your daily routine. I have used my backup root since it was released and still never had an issue… the one time I used TB, had force closes, odd little un-explained issues… it just isn’t as simple as my backup root, and simplicity is what you want when using apps that backup all your ****. The more cut and dry, the better.
Good luck
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Wasn’t trying to be a douche about it.. but I guess it did kind of come off that way, haha. Sorry if I was a little bit critical in my comments… not intended, just how I communicate sometimes – forward and in black and white.
Anyways, to the OP, hopefully you are able to get somewhere with the input of my post… trouble-shooting can be annoying but the key is to be patient and do things in increments.
and i didnt come here spouting "oooo wrong section wrong section..." because thats not my job and i didnt want to come off like a douche... i try to contribute and not be so critical, but sometimes i just am.
I got a quick question why move apps to the SD card to begin with? The phone has massive amounts of internal storage.(why app2sd is left out of many ROMs for the 3vo)
I would rather have the SD space for roms, tweaks, music etc. I'm with you with the games and etc. I use a ton of different apps, I also store any apps I think I might use later on my SD card in uninstalled apk form...
An example is a Craigslist app I use, I rarely use it, so I install and uninstall as needed. And I've read that titanium backup doesn't play nice with batch operations.. just my 2 cents, and thanks for your post, I was gonna flash a sense 3.5 ROM tonight, not even gonna bother with it now.
Shot from my sharp shooter in 3d
cleanrom2.9.5
bmtdan said:
I would say it has to be an issue with you restoring from titanium backup. If you are doing it In a batch and your like me there are some sense 3.0 apks in my backups. If you batch restore anything that doesn't play nice with sense 3.5 it doesn't matter.if you are restoring data or not.at that point
Sent from my PG86100 using xda premium
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Can't be that, when I restore whatever apps from TB and don't move them to the SD card they are fine and the phone does great. It only happens when I move apps to the SD card. Shows that it doesn't have anything to do with the apps themselves, but something with Sense 3.5 reading them from my SD card.
hitman4274 said:
I got a quick question why move apps to the SD card to begin with? The phone has massive amounts of internal storage.(why app2sd is left out of many ROMs for the 3vo)
I would rather have the SD space for roms, tweaks, music etc. I'm with you with the games and etc. I use a ton of different apps, I also store any apps I think I might use later on my SD card in uninstalled apk form...
An example is a Craigslist app I use, I rarely use it, so I install and uninstall as needed. And I've read that titanium backup doesn't play nice with batch operations.. just my 2 cents, and thanks for your post, I was gonna flash a sense 3.5 ROM tonight, not even gonna bother with it now.
Shot from my sharp shooter in 3d
cleanrom2.9.5
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Yes, it has 1GB of internal storage, but it is not enough when you have around 300 apps and games (Plants vs Zombies, Blood & Glory, Peggle, All the Angry Birds, etc) they go well above the 1 GB internal. I have to move to SD to get them all on there. I don't us A2SD, I just move them to the SD card through the standard process.
Update:
I hit a random reboot and then when it rebooted I started getting bootloops again even without moving the large apps/games to the SD card. So the process in the OP is not a fix, it just worked for a while.
However, when it was in between bootloops, I unmounted the SD card and they stopped.
The issue has to be something with the SD card being read by Sense 3.5 because I have never had this issue with Sense 3.0. What I am trying now is Formatting the SD card and the Partition on the SD card and starting fresh. Only going to move my pics and Nandroids back to the SD card. Hopefully a fresh SD card will allow me to move the apps over there and make things all good. Not to optimistic, but keeping my fingers crossed.
Found the solution!!
Ok, so after playing around with all this stuff for a long time and trying different things, I found out that if you move more than 59 apps (so 60 or more) to the SD card, you will get boot loops on Sense 3.5 if you move 59 or less everything works fine.
drgonzo712 said:
Ok, so after playing around with all this stuff for a long time and trying different things, I found out that if you move more than 59 apps (so 60 or more) to the SD card, you will get boot loops on Sense 3.5 if you move 59 or less everything works fine.
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So does the <59 rule still hold truth?
Im facing the same headache on cyanogen so it's definitely not just HTC with this problem.
drgonzo712 said:
Yes, it has 1GB of internal storage, but it is not enough when you have around 300 apps and games (Plants vs Zombies, Blood & Glory, Peggle, All the Angry Birds, etc) they go well above the 1 GB internal. I have to move to SD to get them all on there. I don't us A2SD, I just move them to the SD card through the standard process.
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that would give any phone the bootloops
Related
I'll start this thread noting that I've come from an iPhone 3GS and came to expect things to open and close smoothly. That being said, I do know that you need to keep an eye on open apps through a task manager and close out things that you don't need on the Android OS, but I feel like this device just can't hang with other smartphones currently.
I'm constantly nagged with keypresses lagging for over a second, half of the time when I'm trying to type quickly it will register a single button press as a long press and I end up getting the alt key instead of the plain letter.
I have a fresh load of the MoDaCo ROM and ever since I received the phone a week ago I've been severely disappointed. Attempting to answer phone calls ends up with the screen telling me to drag down to answer and is completely unresponsive, but sometimes answers the call and sometimes just turns on the speaker and mic, but doesn't connect the call.
I've removed footprints, as well as stocks from the base ROM to pull out anything I wouldn't need. My understanding is that should only have a positive impact on performance.
Menus are sluggish to say the least, often times taking 1-3 seconds just to open a sub-menu.
Did I just get a bum phone that someone tried to pawn off because there might be something wrong with it? Is this the behavior that people have been experiencing from the HTC Hero? Does anyone know a way to speed this little bugger up and make it useful?
I've installed the Overclock widget and set it to 528mhz and verified that it's still set there each time I've rebooted the phone, as well as using Android Task Manager to keep a select few applications as "do not close" so that the phone doesn't freak out and try to reload a bunch of apps.
I'm about to throw this damn phone out the window currently. I absolutely loved my G1 when I had it, and this thing feels like it's two or three steps DOWN from that phone.
Please, help me actually want to keep my phone. I LOVE the Android OS, and I love the form factor and sound quality.
i came from a hermes to the hero.. and its fooking awsomes, the lag you are getting is non existant on my hero, its a stock t-moblie as i is on contract with it atm and dont wanna risk screwing up and my insurance says F U!
if they could make a hero with a iphone screen i would be be a very VERY happy man.
sure its just not the rom u flashed? try flashing another? i used to get hassel with my hermes if it did not like the rom (wm6.5 for one it hated it but some loved it)
I might try out another ROM, but the only one that I thought I'd seen was the MoDaCo. I will have to look around the forums to see if there are any others that I can attempt to flash to my Hero. I suppose if all else fails I can just get a rooted base ROM and install WiFi tethering from there, since it's an app that I use on a VERY regular basis.
I've never updated from the original 1.5 ROM I received on my unlocked white hero. It is a bit laggy when using the Sense UI. However, when I "revert" to the Android OS Home screen (by disabling Sense UI / Touch Flo) it is VERY responsive. And that is fine for me......
I have the Hero and an iPhone 3GS and the Hero is very laggy in comparison. We have a few Android devices here in work to test/evaluate and none f them are without lag. No matter what people say I can't help thinking that they are looking through rose tinted glasses or refure point blank that the device they chose coudl possibly be less than perfect.
If you use an iPhone 3GS along side the Hero then the lag is very apparent. Scrolling through TouchFLO, scrolling the menu, typing, all have lag no matter how often I use Takiller.
pritsey said:
I have the Hero and an iPhone 3GS and the Hero is very laggy in comparison. We have a few Android devices here in work to test/evaluate and none f them are without lag. No matter what people say I can't help thinking that they are looking through rose tinted glasses or refure point blank that the device they chose coudl possibly be less than perfect.
If you use an iPhone 3GS along side the Hero then the lag is very apparent. Scrolling through TouchFLO, scrolling the menu, typing, all have lag no matter how often I use Takiller.
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Bear in mind android isn't there that long and the Iphone is... Iphone won't improve Android will.
I updated my hero to the last official rom and I don't think it lags at all.
But I didn't own an Iphone, so I wouldn't know how it compares to that.
Tooslo says:
I'm about to throw this damn phone out the window currently. I absolutely loved my G1 when I had it, and this thing feels like it's two or three steps DOWN from that phone.
If that's the case, send the darn thing back. It's supposed to be faster then the G1 and I haven't heard anyone saying it's not except you. Also waiting 3?! seconds for a submenu seems impossible, they almost instantly pop up here.
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but I feel like this device just can't hang with other smartphones currently.
I had a diamond and had a play with the diamond 2, both don´t even come close to the hero, same with the touch HD
Sorry to say but I think yours has some issues that are not fixable by any software updates. Send it back.
Unfortunately I purchased the phone from someone on another forum, so there is little/no chance of ever getting a replacement since I wasn't the person who originally purchased it.
I've tried reloading the MoDaCo 2.9 ROM with the Teknologist kernal after formatting my SD card and re-creating the ext2 and swap partitions.
It's running a bit faster, but it's still frustrating that this device is so slow in comparison to my wife's 3GS. I can type more than 1 letter per second on the keyboard and only occasionally get the problem with the key registering a long press.
I'm always killing unnecessary processes, but I find myself needing to reboot the phone several times a day to keep it running at a moderate clip.
TooSlo said:
I'm always killing unnecessary processes, but I find myself needing to reboot the phone several times a day to keep it running at a moderate clip.
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Try not killing anything at all, and leaving Android to handle it. Whilst some people swear by task killers, others (myself included) don't use them and often we're the ones who don't seem to suffer from excessive lag!
BTW - comparing the Hero to the iPhone 3GS is always going to be a bit unfair, because the 3GS has a vastly superior processor. Comparisons to an iPhone 3G are far more apposite.
Regards,
Dave
don't use swap, especially on a slow sd card. android will only be dragged down by using swap, because then it does not close applications automatically as long as it does not run out of memory.
also, using a faster sd card might improve your overall experience with modaco.
foxmeister said:
Try not killing anything at all, and leaving Android to handle it. Whilst some people swear by task killers, others (myself included) don't use them and often we're the ones who don't seem to suffer from excessive lag!
BTW - comparing the Hero to the iPhone 3GS is always going to be a bit unfair, because the 3GS has a vastly superior processor. Comparisons to an iPhone 3G are far more apposite.
Regards,
Dave
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I should clarify myself with that. I try to kill things like Market, Facebook, UniWar and Browser through the day.
I notice that if I leave any of those apps open it's going to turn into a slideshow afterward. I would say that after having the phone turned on for more than 60 minutes, if I try to play UniWar, by the end of a few turns, the game has almost stopped responding as a whole. It's frustrating as the final decision to move back to the Android platform was the fact that this game was available here, since I play it with my officemate during the day.
TooSlo said:
Unfortunately I purchased the phone from someone on another forum, so there is little/no chance of ever getting a replacement since I wasn't the person who originally purchased it.
I've tried reloading the MoDaCo 2.9 ROM with the Teknologist kernal after formatting my SD card and re-creating the ext2 and swap partitions.
It's running a bit faster, but it's still frustrating that this device is so slow in comparison to my wife's 3GS. I can type more than 1 letter per second on the keyboard and only occasionally get the problem with the key registering a long press.
I'm always killing unnecessary processes, but I find myself needing to reboot the phone several times a day to keep it running at a moderate clip.
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2.9 doesnt need a swap partition it uses compcache also upgrade to an ext3 or ext4 partition 2.9 is actually a blindingly fast rom.
Tried 2 hero's of some friends of mine yesterday, all the official latest htc rom.
And all of them respond like mine, no need for mcr 2.9 or whatever.
I've said it before, I don't think this is a rom problem, maybe defect ram memory or something.
I would definitely try disabling swapper. If you are using swapper, you are giving the Android memory management routines no chance to improve your experience because the don't know that you're out of physical memory and are swapping to flash memory that is going to be an order of magnitude or two slower than the physical RAM.
Regards,
Dave
So I've upgraded the Ext2 to an Ext3 partition and everything "felt" a little better, but I keep running into the fact that my phone just does NOT like to respond when woken up.
It's incredibly slow to be able to pull down the notification tab or move from the "main" screen in any way. I've ordered a new SD card and will reformat and only use the Data/Ext3 partition when possible, I'm just at a loss of why this type of behavior would happen.
Is this a result of using my phone to sync with my work Exchange server? I only have it set to ping the server every 15 minutes, but man, the phone becomes useless when it's attempting to sync over EDGE. I can't get ANY type of connectivity, even through games that only process 20-40k/hr data usage.
Are there "no-no" type applications to stay away from? I've removed every widget aside the WiFi toggle and Overclock Widget. I'm just tired of rebooting my phone every couple hours.
afaik there is no working overclock app/widget for hero, try removing that.
there is the option of wiping to see whether the problem continues.
seems to me like the Modaco rom is the problem. a lot of people are on the stock Hero rom and don't get any lag at all and certainly don't need to reboot the phone so often...
It's not the Modaco ROM - I've been using Modaco since the first versions, and it is fine.
HOWEVER.....
I've never bothered with Apps2SD or Swapper, and I'm pretty certain that Swapper is going to cause problems.
Regards,
Dave
I'm pretty sure the hero will never be as smooth or quick as the iPhone... you just have to decide whether you can live how smooth the hero is. On Mocado 2.8 and not using any task manager I definitely can.
Update on device
So I've received my 4gb Class 6 card, created a 1GB Ext3 partition, no swap partition and reloaded MoDaCo 2.9. I've also tried this with a stock rooted image as well. These results apply to both ROMs I've loaded.
At first it "felt" somewhat fast, but then after adding the following, it's just dreadfully slow.
Exchange email
UniWar
Handcent SMS
Advanced Task Killer
Systray Monitor
ShootMe (never running)
Better Terminal Emulator
Apps Installer
I don't really think any of those should have this type of negative impact on the phone, though I have noticed that my Exchange email does take an extremely long time to sync, but it seems isolated to this device.
My Exchange settings are:
Size Limit - 5kb
Frequency - 15 minutes
Past Mail - 3 days
Include attachments - Never
Reply w/ original text - Yes
Always BCC - no
Those seem to be the only things that are currently ever running.
Are there major conflicts that I should know about with any of those apps?
Even with a fresh install, properly partitioned SD card, current version of both the MoDaCo as well as stock rooted ROM.
Anyone?
First off here's what I am running:
GSBv1.5
Cache2Cache
Clocked using the overclocker in the cyanogenmod settings at
Max - 729
Min - 245
Gov - Smartass
I was just wondering, if I have a lot of stuff of my sd card, can this affect the speed of my Eris ? It's probably a stupid question but I was just wondering because I copied all the contents of my sd card onto my laptop then formatted my sd card and flashed Tazz Gingerbread v5 and it seemed pretty fast. Then I added my music back onto the card and my nandroid backup plus some other stuff and now regardless if I use Tazz's GB or Workshed's GB, they both seem really laggy and slow almost to the point where it seemed like the 2.2 roms were faster. Anyone got any input on this ? I mean I could understand maybe the bootup taking a little while because it's trying to read all the files and stuff but would it really make the overall functionality of the device a little slower ? Any tips on making my phone faster like getting rid of apps and stuff like that. I'm really confused because my device (other than the apps that come with the rom) only has 7 apps installed !!! Here are the apps I have installed other than what came on the roms
Advanced Task Killer
Angry Birds (of course)
Camera360 Ultimate
Minimalistic Text
Wireless Tether for Root Users
XDA's App
Zedge
My battery life has also took a change for the worse (only lasting about 6 hours of regular use). I'm thinking the cause for this might be because I didn't wipe the batt stats when I flashed the rom. Hopefully someone can help me out because my phone is really delayed now and draining the battery pretty fast. Thanks guys !!!
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I was just wondering, if I have a lot of stuff of my sd card, can this affect the speed of my Eris ? It's probably a stupid question but I was just wondering because I copied all the contents of my sd card onto my laptop then formatted my sd card and flashed Tazz Gingerbread v5 and it seemed pretty fast. Then I added my music back onto the card and my nandroid backup plus some other stuff and now regardless if I use Tazz's GB or Workshed's GB, they both seem really laggy and slow almost to the point where it seemed like the 2.2 roms were faster. Anyone got any input on this ? I mean I could understand maybe the bootup taking a little while because it's trying to read all the files and stuff but would it really make the overall functionality of the device a little slower ? Any tips on making my phone faster like getting rid of apps and stuff like that. I'm really confused because my device (other than the apps that come with the rom) only has 7 apps installed !!!
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Hi, Corporal Hicks. Aliens fan or actual military man? Anyway, you didn't say whether you installed the apps to your SD card or not, which would certainly affect the speed, especially for things that run constantly (not an expert opinion) and on boot.
One other possibility is file fragmentation. I don't know if it would be that fragmented after doing a fresh format and copying things over, though. Raxco PerfectDisk only says I have 5% fragmentation right now, and I haven't reformatted my SD card since perhaps September or so.
Maybe if the directory information (the FAT/File Allocation Table) itself is quite fragmented that would attribute to the slowdown you are noticing, making it take so long to go through the SD card's list of files.
"Game over man, GAME OVER!" - Aliens
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Hi, Corporal Hicks. Aliens fan or actual military man? Anyway, you didn't say whether you installed the apps to your SD card or not, which would certainly affect the speed, especially for things that run constantly (not an expert opinion) and on boot.
One other possibility is file fragmentation. I don't know if it would be that fragmented after doing a fresh format and copying things over, though. Raxco PerfectDisk only says I have 5% fragmentation right now, and I haven't reformatted my SD card since perhaps September or so.
Maybe if the directory information (the FAT/File Allocation Table) itself is quite fragmented that would attribute to the slowdown you are noticing, making it take so long to go through the SD card's list of files.
"Game over man, GAME OVER!" - Aliens
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Actual military, stationed in Hawaii for now. 25th ID! Anyway, no I didn't install any apps to the card and oddly enough I wanted to check it again to make sure. So again I deleted everything from my card and reformatted and again it was blazing fast. I'm confused, maybe a virus on my card or something ?
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Actual military, stationed in Hawaii for now. 25th ID! Anyway, no I didn't install any apps to the card and oddly enough I wanted to check it again to make sure. So again I deleted everything from my card and reformatted and again it was blazing fast. I'm confused, maybe a virus on my card or something ?
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I was in 1AD.
I doubt if it's a virus. Since I haven't tried either CM7 ROM, and I'm not even on CM6 right now, I don't remember if they default to "Automatic" as far as the location of application installs. Might be worth checking in the CM settings, just in case you didn't realize that some got installed to the card without you explicitly telling it to.
Of course, if the phone slows down after copying things back to your SD card (not an .android-secure folder, though, I hope) before you install any apps, then you know it's not because of installing apps. I would then only copy HALF of the things back to the SD card, instead of all, and see if it slows down.
Then as a comparison, I would only copy the OTHER half (after another fresh format) and again see if it slows down. If it slows down both times, then I don't know where to go from there unless you really feel like breaking it down further, like into quarters.
If only one of the two halves causes the phone to slow down, further cut that half into two, and only try one of those quarters at a time and test again. Time consuming, but all depends on how much you want to know and how much impact it makes on you.
I bought my wife a Nook tablet 16g for Christmas (certified preowned) the stock ROM on the device is useless, aside from no access to google play interaction with the touchscreen is choppy and laggy, and sometimes you have to select items three times before they are selected, is this normal for a stock B&N tab?
I've spent the last three days scowering this forum gathering information, so far all I've done is loaded CM7 from this thread to SD card only, modifying it a bit to just do CM7. I chose CM7 because I figured it being an older ROM it would have most hardware working correctly and be the least buggy. Needless to say the device works great with this ROM none of the issues I experienced with the stock B&N ROM existed (great job devs. much appreciated) the only thing that struck me as odd with this ROM was it didn't seem optimized for a tablet and certainly not this tablet, as all the stock phone apps were still there, as well as camera and bluetooth. Is there a ROM out there that's more suited for the nook tablet is my next question, and can all these ROMs be put on SD card and booted from there rather than altering the internal software.
Next question is can the stock ROM be altered to make it usable? Rooting obviously, maybe a different kernel so things function smoothly, adding google play. This tablet is for my wife who is not very tech savy so the more simple I can make the device to use the better.
Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions that can be provided, this is only the second device I've worked with, the first being me and my wife's Samsung Infuse, so the more detailed the help the better, I am literate and not opposed to reading so good links to learning resources would be great, however I would like answers to my few questions.
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I've spent the last three days scowering this forum gathering information, so far all I've done is loaded CM7 from this thread to SD card only, modifying it a bit to just do CM7. I chose CM7 because I figured it being an older ROM it would have most hardware working correctly and be the least buggy. Needless to say the device works great with this ROM none of the issues I experienced with the stock B&N ROM existed (great job devs. much appreciated) the only thing that struck me as odd with this ROM was it didn't seem optimized for a tablet and certainly not this tablet, as all the stock phone apps were still there, as well as camera and bluetooth. Is there a ROM out there that's more suited for the nook tablet is my next question, and can all these ROMs be put on SD card and booted from there rather than altering the internal software.
Next question is can the stock ROM be altered to make it usable? Rooting obviously, maybe a different kernel so things function smoothly, adding google play. This tablet is for my wife who is not very tech savy so the more simple I can make the device to use the better.
Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions that can be provided, this is only the second device I've worked with, the first being me and my wife's Samsung Infuse, so the more detailed the help the better, I am literate and not opposed to reading so good links to learning resources would be great, however I would like answers to my few questions.
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I find rooted stock to be just marginally better than stock: many newer apps are not backward compatible with Android Gingerbread release (which stock ROM (as well as CM7) is based on), the co-habiting of the stock and CM10 interfaces quite awkward.
I'd suggest you first try running CM10 off an SD card, that way you can conveniently switch back and forth to stock and compare them, and flash it if you decide you like it.
And cm10 is well optimized for the tablet. Cm7 did seem to have the extra phone rudimentary stuff, but remember it was the first custom rom on the NT. Since then, the other roms are quite polished.
Excellent info thanks a lot guys I'm going to load a SD with CM10 and let my wife give it a whirl.
Is a class 10 micro SD too fast for this tablet? I thought in my reading I came across something about class 10 SD's being problematic, I may have mis-read though.
I just realized the thread I said I used to get the CM7 SD boot image, wasn't the one I actually used, so I though I already had an SD bootable .img of CM10 JB, but I guess I don't. What is the most problem free SD bootable version of CM10 JB (link if possible)? I really don't want to modify the internal storage of the unit till I'm 100% sure everything works good on the unit and I find the best ROM for it (which sounds like CM10 JB)
I don't have much to compare with, but I used this more or less fool proof guide: http://iamafanof.wordpress.com/2012/11/18/cm10-0-jellybean-sdcard-img-for-nook-tablet/
I ran the 1208 build from sd until a few days ago when I put it internally. I can't say I noticed any improvements running it internally compared to from sd so it's really good option in my opinion. (My Tablet har no problem booting from sd-card. Others have more problem and for those internal is a better choice.)
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I don't have much to compare with, but I used this more or less fool proof guide: http://iamafanof.wordpress.com/2012/11/18/cm10-0-jellybean-sdcard-img-for-nook-tablet/
I ran the 1208 build from sd until a few days ago when I put it internally. I can't say I noticed any improvements running it internally compared to from sd so it's really good option in my opinion. (My Tablet har no problem booting from sd-card. Others have more problem and for those internal is a better choice.)
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Thank you so much, just what i was looking for something simple and easy. I'm fine experimenting and learning on my own device but my wife just wants to use the dang thing. I noticed there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of SD images on the forums (unless I'm just not digging deep enough) i'm wondering why as booting from the SD seems like a great way to keep the device within warranty and get all the benifits of a rooted full android device.
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Thank you so much, just what i was looking for something simple and easy. I'm fine experimenting and learning on my own device but my wife just wants to use the dang thing. I noticed there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of SD images on the forums (unless I'm just not digging deep enough) i'm wondering why as booting from the SD seems like a great way to keep the device within warranty and get all the benifits of a rooted full android device.
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Many NTs will only boot into SD from power-off and on insertion of a powered-USB cable -- an inconvenience if/when the NT ever hangs or reboots and you don't have a usb cable and a power source (e.g., wall/car charger or powered usb hub).
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Many NTs will only boot into SD from power-off and on insertion of a powered-USB cable -- an inconvenience if/when the NT ever hangs or reboots and you don't have a usb cable and a power source (e.g., wall/car charger or powered usb hub).
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So is there any advantage to flashing to internal storage if booting into the SD card is not an issue?
asawl: thank you so much for the link, this ROM is awesome my wife will be Oh so happy.
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So is there any advantage to flashing to internal storage if booting into the SD card is not an issue?
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None, unless you want/need to swap sd cards for media storage.
On the other hand, few people who use CM would ever want to go back to stock, so keeping stock is mostly for convenience in the event of warranty claim (you can also just backup prior to flashing CM and restore stock when needed). Once the warranty expires, there is no reason to keep stock and waste space.
My wife's got an HTC Aria that's been on its last legs for quite some time. My first "solution" was to update to CM7 back when the Aria CM7 ROM was first released, and it was good for a while. Lately, a few issues have been cropping up, and I haven't been able to get ahead of them (tried Mujeni's latest CM7.2, updated gps drivers...etc).
The biggest things she's noticed is the lagging UI - she gets the "force/wait.." screen a lot lately, and has had a lot of problems with the GPS getting a good fix. She also ran into space issues and couldn't download apps anymore, but we got past that (which is probably why some of the apps are lagging now - being run from SD)
Anyways - I was thinking of updating to the WinSuk CM10 ROM (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1826894) but am worried the performance of this ROM will be worse than the CM7 ROMs (features, graphics...etc).
Can anyone compare first hand the performance difference between the two? I don't want to give my wife a phone (ROM) that is going to just piss her off more than the old one did.
If the WinSuk CM10 ROM isn't a good answer - can anyone recommend a stable ROM that will perform decently? She doesn't really care about any whiz-bang features, but does use a bunch of apps, so compatibility with recent stuff would be good. Maps, GPS, facebook, foursquare, gmail...etc.
The problem with asking questions comparing two ROMs is that you will get different opinions from users of the ROMs because no one uses their phones in exactly the same way. In addition, it is considered somewhat gauche to the devs who provide the results of their work for free. Unfortunately, it has also been known to lead to some pretty spectacular fights between supporters of the devs. Due to this, we generally close best/fastest/mostest types of threads when we find them before bad things happen.
That being said, I understand and sympathize with your predicament and I want to help as I have had wife/phone issues, but.... to be very honest, I do not believe there is a ROM out there which will fix your actual issue. At least for more than a relatively short time.
I don't have an Aria so take my advice with a grain of salt , but I have a Sensation which has unfortunately peaked for me well before I can get something new (August ) and has had an issue or two as well, but I have maxed out its potential and am happy with it. Actually with the new TMO no-contract stuff I might even keep it until something really appealing comes along.
It's an Aria. It is what it is. You might be able to help it by getting a Class 10 SD if you don't have one already, although depending on the other hardware and many other software factors, Class 6 cards are actually faster at random access which is more common with smartphone and apps usage. Class 10 cards are faster at sequential access which is typically important for cameras or if she uses the phone as a camera regularly. Depending on the app, and I would think also for a2sd, sequential access might be better. No way to predict though, only actual usage with her set of apps would confirm.
I used to have a bunch of apps and then when I switched ROMs it was sometimes a hassle. I realized over time that I never really used a fairly large number of apps after the first or second time so I uninstalled them and settled out a "core" list of apps that I kept loaded always, and I use Titanium Backup to restore some other apps that I use infrequently and don't want to download again or have saved data for.
I make sure to hold the back button when leaving apps that are larger. Holding the back button should terminate it from memory. I reboot every 3 or 4 days. It only takes a few minutes and I don't get unexpected reboots and everything works.
I will leave this open for any Aria users to chime in and keep an eye on it so it doesn't go south. I will move it to the Q&A forum shortly.
Thank you,
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The problem with asking questions comparing two ROMs is that you will get different opinions from users of the ROMs because no one uses their phones in exactly the same way. In addition, it is considered somewhat gauche to the devs who provide the results of their work for free. Unfortunately, it has also been known to lead to some pretty spectacular fights between supporters of the devs. Due to this, we generally close best/fastest/mostest types of threads when we find them before bad things happen.
That being said, I understand and sympathize with your predicament and I want to help as I have had wife/phone issues, but.... to be very honest, I do not believe there is a ROM out there which will fix your actual issue. At least for more than a relatively short time.
I don't have an Aria so take my advice with a grain of salt , but I have a Sensation which has unfortunately peaked for me well before I can get something new (August ) and has had an issue or two as well, but I have maxed out its potential and am happy with it. Actually with the new TMO no-contract stuff I might even keep it until something really appealing comes along.
It's an Aria. It is what it is. You might be able to help it by getting a Class 10 SD if you don't have one already, although depending on the other hardware and many other software factors, Class 6 cards are actually faster at random access which is more common with smartphone and apps usage. Class 10 cards are faster at sequential access which is typically important for cameras or if she uses the phone as a camera regularly. Depending on the app, and I would think also for a2sd, sequential access might be better. No way to predict though, only actual usage with her set of apps would confirm.
I used to have a bunch of apps and then when I switched ROMs it was sometimes a hassle. I realized over time that I never really used a fairly large number of apps after the first or second time so I uninstalled them and settled out a "core" list of apps that I kept loaded always, and I use Titanium Backup to restore some other apps that I use infrequently and don't want to download again or have saved data for.
I make sure to hold the back button when leaving apps that are larger. Holding the back button should terminate it from memory. I reboot every 3 or 4 days. It only takes a few minutes and I don't get unexpected reboots and everything works.
I will leave this open for any Aria users to chime in and keep an eye on it so it doesn't go south. I will move it to the Q&A forum shortly.
Thank you,
mf2112
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Thanks for the thoughtful response! I probably should've known better than to post but I am at my wit's end with this one. I've already got a class 6 card, and have been trying the "make sure you reboot" line as well. I realize there aren't many options left, and a new phone is certainly in the future (but why aren't there any GOOD SMALL phones!?)...just trying to squeeze a few more months out.
I guess I was hoping someone would chime in with CM10 will run better on the aria than CM7.2 (or the opposite!)...
Feel free to close the thread if necessary...don't want to clutter up an otherwise great board! :good:
This is something I'm wondering for some time now:
I still love my Evo 3D and do not feel at all like replacing it, but in comparison to newer models there are two big problems:
1. The limited amount of internal space is forcing me to delete apps from time to time, although I move them quite regularly to the SD card (I'm not sure why, but if I have too many apps installed they cannot be updated anymore)
2. The phone gets very slow if I don't clean the cache regularly. I assume that this is due to the small internal storage, too.
So basically my idea was that maybe if I buy a very fast 64GB micro-SD and somehow manage to boot from it, the OS would have mor than enough space. Is it realistic to assume that my problems would be solved this way? Or isn't it worth the try? Or do you maybe have another solution?
I've been working on rom2sd and data2sd. I use v6 Turbo charger scripts keeps from slowing down.
Data partiton is small, compared to current phones
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I've been working on rom2sd and data2sd. I use v6 Turbo charger scripts keeps from slowing down.
Data partiton is small, compared to current phones
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Thank you for your answer. You seem to have a good point. Unfortunatly I don't know how you got data2sd to work. Do you maybe have a link for me?
I'm working on it, did work yet had security errors