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Hi everyone,
I'm pretty confused of the difference between a nandroid backup and Titanium backup.
My understanding is:
nandroid = kind of a restore point for the phone with all system, apps and user data.
Titanium backup = same thing, but with options to choose what to back up.
So why do you need 2 of the same thing if they both perform exactly the same thing? Eventually, we'll probably be using the backup to restore those datas in case we want to flash new ROMs.
Am I missing something here?
Thank you for the info!
emigre said:
Hi everyone,
I'm pretty confused of the difference between a nandroid backup and Titanium backup.
My understanding is:
nandroid = kind of a restore point for the phone with all system, apps and user data.
Titanium backup = same thing, but with options to choose what to back up.
So why do you need 2 of the same thing if they both perform exactly the same thing? Eventually, we'll probably be using the backup to restore those datas in case we want to flash new ROMs.
Am I missing something here?
Thank you for the info!
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You don't need two of the same thing. I haven't used titanium but nandroid is a, if you will, what-you-see-is-what-you-get backup....what I mean by this is it will back up your phone in the exact state it is...you can't choose to exclude this or that, etc. I prefer mybackup pro because the one time I used titanium I couldn't figure out what to do cuz the GUI was so scrub. That's just me tho.
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I think the main difference is that nandroid will restore everything back the way it was through recovery. With Titanium Backup, you can backup your apps+data and restore them if you flash a new ROM. So like if you upgrade to the latest version of CM6 or Liberated, you can carry your apps over. If you restore the nandroid, it will restore the old ROM too.
Thanks for the response guys.
@blindfusion: I think you just pointed out the main difference there. I didn't think of it that way, the old ROM would also be flashed!
@zervic: Now I think I'll need to get my hands on a backup app. Will check out backup Pro!
Thanks again!
under nandroid/advanced restore, there's an option to restore data. not sure how it differs from titanium. i think titanium let's you pick the apps to back up. nandroid just backs up everything.
So does nandroid also give us the option to restore data (ie. Saved apps, datas, etc) under advanced without flashing the old ROM back in?
For example if i were to flash a newer ROM (FR007 for instance), then i'd be able to have access and restore ALL the backed up data in nandroid? And have a newer version of the OS?
Am i missing something here? I guess i just want to keep my aria light and avoid installing apps i absoloutely do not need. To keep it zippy and maintain precious internal memory.
Thanks again everyone!
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that's how i've restored apps/data after updating rom.
Thanks for the confirmation Darren!
Just to confirm that means that if I use titanium backup, it can backup the exact same things as Nandroid backup but you can use it for your new ROM?
No titanium backs up app and their data only.nandroid is a full system image.
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androidlover123 said:
Just to confirm that means that if I use titanium backup, it can backup the exact same things as Nandroid backup but you can use it for your new ROM?
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Always make both before flashing a new ROM. If everything goes according to plan, run Titanium to restore all your apps into the new ROM. If something goes wrong, you can use Nandroid to restore your phone to pre-flash state.
Also, you should copy the Nandroid file to your computer. If your phone is ever lost or stolen and you get a new one, you can restore it to your old phone's image.
NANDroid backup is a complete image of your phone: the OS, apps, data, everything. So if you screw up your phone, like making it unbootable, or accidentally wiping it clean, you can restore the image and everything will be back to the way it was when you did the backup.
Titanium Backup is an app in your OS that backs up other apps, their data, and some system data / user settings. It's usually used, for example, for restoring apps and their data after a clean install, where you've wiped everything clean.
The two options are fundamentally different, but do have some overlap.
I've never got nandroid backup to work for me personally. Always comes up, "backup not found".
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glad i read this thread. it clear up a lot of questions i have.
the only other question i want to ask is what is difference between ClockWorkMod and Nandroid backup?
I heard CWM is an Nandroid backup so does this mean Nandroid backup is a general term for system back up ? or is it an actual program?
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glad i read this thread. it clear up a lot of questions i have.
the only other question i want to ask is what is difference between ClockWorkMod and Nandroid backup?
I heard CWM is an Nandroid backup so does this mean Nandroid backup is a general term for system back up ? or is it an actual program?
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You heard wrong about ClockworkMod. ClockworkMod is a recovery. Nandroid backup is not an actual program, but a backup of your entire system which can be done through ClockworkMod (it's an option).
thanks. that answer all of my backup questions.
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You heard wrong about ClockworkMod. ClockworkMod is a recovery. Nandroid backup is not an actual program, but a backup of your entire system which can be done through ClockworkMod (it's an option).
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Sorry still unclear for me, so if i have CWM i will go to recovery and there i can performe the backup right?
that copies the nandroid to my Sd card? and that image is flasheable image? is that correct? sorry if any of those is a stupid question :S
Edit: Nevermind, i found a guide here that is good for newbies like me, but thanks anyway
Sorry for necro'ing this thread, but at least it's better than making a new one!
From what I've read in this thread, I understand a bit better about the difference.
I've also read that it's important to save nandroid back up on PC in case you lose your phone.
Therein lies my next 2 questions.
1. If I want to use a nandroid backup on the replacement, it should be exactly the same phone, otherwise there might be a problem with the compatibility of the ROM stored in the nandroid and the phone. Right?
2. If I want to use a titanium backup on the replacement, I can use it on any phone, except I should not restore the SYSTEM apps. Right?
If (2) is correct, then we should also keep a titanium backup on the PC?
Part of my reason is also, I plan to switch from Desire HD to SGS3 and I hope to keep both pretty similar with slightly different interface. I plan to root my SGS3 and use titanium to restore some things from my DHD to SGS3. Using a nandroid on the new SGS3 will be a FATAL mistake right?
I know this is not a DHD forum, but the technicalities are the same, so I hope it's no offense asking these questions here!
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Oops forgot to add!
I'm using 4ext instead of CWM. In a brief reading, I've found that 4ext has it's own backup which is not nandroid. But backing up from 4ext is the same as doing a nandroid backup? In which case, every "nandroid" in the earlier post can just be replaced with "4ext backup" accordingly.
If this is a stupid question, just scold me, I'm still learning and asking as I'm reading. Just trying not to create new threads.
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Sorry for necro'ing this thread, but at least it's better than making a new one!
From what I've read in this thread, I understand a bit better about the difference.
I've also read that it's important to save nandroid back up on PC in case you lose your phone.
Therein lies my next 2 questions.
1. If I want to use a nandroid backup on the replacement, it should be exactly the same phone, otherwise there might be a problem with the compatibility of the ROM stored in the nandroid and the phone. Right?
2. If I want to use a titanium backup on the replacement, I can use it on any phone, except I should not restore the SYSTEM apps. Right?
If (2) is correct, then we should also keep a titanium backup on the PC?
Part of my reason is also, I plan to switch from Desire HD to SGS3 and I hope to keep both pretty similar with slightly different interface. I plan to root my SGS3 and use titanium to restore some things from my DHD to SGS3. Using a nandroid on the new SGS3 will be a FATAL mistake right?
I know this is not a DHD forum, but the technicalities are the same, so I hope it's no offense asking these questions here!
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Oops forgot to add!
I'm using 4ext instead of CWM. In a brief reading, I've found that 4ext has it's own backup which is not nandroid. But backing up from 4ext is the same as doing a nandroid backup? In which case, every "nandroid" in the earlier post can just be replaced with "4ext backup" accordingly.
If this is a stupid question, just scold me, I'm still learning and asking as I'm reading. Just trying not to create new threads.
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1. Correct. Its highly likely that there will be issues (device won't boot) on almost every occasion.
2. Yes. You may also want to exclude "app data," since it may cause a bootloop or system instability (on some occasions). You could keep a Tb backup if you wish.
It won't be a fatal mistake, but the device will just not boot up (soft-brick). You would have to boot into recovery mode a restore/flash a rom made for the device.
Yes, that's correct.
Is there any way to perform a nandroid restore excluding an app from coming back?
I was thinking of mounting the SD and traveling to the CWM directory. Afterward, I would remove the apk via Windows Explorer. Is this sufficient to eradicate all traces of that app?
Thanks everyone in advance for your help!
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Asovse1 said:
Is there any way to perform a nandroid restore excluding an app from coming back?
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try this: app for selective restore from nandroid.
Hi.
I want to find out wich is the BEST COMPLETE BACKUP of any android mobile phone program and if i can install it to an UNROOTED android phone.
I hear that clockwork is the best but i don't know if this program can work fine with UNROOTED phones because it suggest to install it only to rooted phone.
So please the persons who KNOW can answer to me with proof.
A LOF OF THANKS FOR ALL.
gotta have root for those backup programs.
Sync your contacts to Google and there you have a back up of them. Any paid apps from the market will always be allowed to be downloaded by you since you paid for them.
"I love my Springfield XD40"
So isn't there any program that it can do a complete backup of any android phone WITHOUT rooted or sing into google?
fits79 said:
So isn't there any program that it can do a complete backup of any android phone WITHOUT rooted or sing into google?
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Not that I'm aware of. What are information are you trying to back up?
"I love my Springfield XD40"
Everything so even the mobile doesn't open at all i can restore it and recovered at the position it was when i was make the backup.
fits79 said:
Everything so even the mobile doesn't open at all i can restore it and recovered at the position it was when i was make the backup.
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O...nope. your definitely going to have to root to have access to that.
"I love my Springfield XD40"
firstly you need root for any significant backup, withought it the best thing i would sujest is connecting your phone to a computer and just copy everything over, that will save most apps and things. But even with root i am not aware af any comprehensive backup app because there is so much to backup: ROM, Kernel, Contacts, Data, Apps as well as different locations where they are: OS storage, internal SD and external SD.
despite this i have found helpfull combinations of:
App Backup & Restore
Mobile Backup II
MyBackup Root
Titanium Backup
ROM Manager
some need root, some don't and some are partialy limited without root, but all were helpfull and have saved my rear a few times
fits79 said:
Everything so even the mobile doesn't open at all i can restore it and recovered at the position it was when i was make the backup.
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There is a way. Bring a storage device like a thumb drive and go into a sprint store or a radio Shack. They have machines (cellebrite) that can backup contacts pictures video and sd contents. Or you can do it yourself buy pushing everything to dropbox.
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thronnos said:
There is a way. Bring a storage device like a thumb drive and go into a sprint store or a radio Shack. They have machines (cellebrite) that can backup contacts pictures video and sd contents. Or you can do it yourself buy pushing everything to dropbox.
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Yeah, that's not "everything". If you want EVERYTHING backed up on your phone, you're going to need root. Normal "copy everything off of the SD card" doesn't get you things like app data or preferences/settings (like ringtone and notification tone settings, as two out of a thousand possible examples).
Now, if your device has fastboot enabled and you have an on-hand recovery image, you can likely
Code:
fastboot boot recovery-clockwork-touch-5.8.0.2-crespo4g.img
(make appropriate substitutions for your on-hand recovery image file and device), and then do a nandroid backup from there. Aside from the data written to your storage device (on-device or SD card), that shouldn't permanently modify your system in any way.
With the titanium backup that it work ONLY on a rooted mobile we can make A FULL COMPLETE BACKUP of any android mobile.
And when i am saying full complete backup i mean(Rom, kernel, apps, settings e.t.c.) ALL the things that it has the mobile this time.
And after a change of rom or kernel i can restore ONLY the apps and settings to the changed rom/kernel?
A LOT OF THANKS.
fits79 said:
With the titanium backup that it work ONLY on a rooted mobile we can make A FULL COMPLETE BACKUP of any android mobile.
And when i am saying full complete backup i mean(Rom, kernel, apps, settings e.t.c.) ALL the things that it has the mobile this time.
And after a change of rom or kernel i can restore ONLY the apps and settings to the changed rom/kernel?
A LOT OF THANKS.
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TB doesn't backup kernel and its settings, widgets placed on homescreen, and certain system apps when you reflash same Rom. Only one way is a android backup which is same as an image backup in windows.
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So there isn't any program that backups EVERYTHING so you can restore it by choice everything you want....
Clockwork doesn't do a COMPLETE FULL BACKUP of any mobile?
I search one program that can make a A COMPLETE FULL BACKUP of any android mobile device like samsung galaxy s2.
Clockwork backs up your entire system. Including apps installed to sd card, but it won't backup info on your sd card normal storage (the one you can use a usb mass storage).
clockwork nandroid backup+regular backup of sd card = full backup of everything on your phone.
Of course, successful restore of the backup without modifications will only work in phones with the same model (no restoring a gingerbread backup of an htc device to an ics samsung device for example)
So clockwork can make a FULL COMPLETE BACKUP of entire monbile into an external usb har disk corrrect?
Then you can restore ONLY the apps if you install a custom rom to the mobile or the restore must be a complete and not a part of it.
A 'nandroid' which is done with clockworkmod or twrp or amon-ra is a complete backup...
Titanium backup does an app by app backup...
Titanium backup will also let you open the backup and pick out apps to restore if you use clockworkmod or twrp
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fits79 said:
So clockwork can make a FULL COMPLETE BACKUP of entire monbile into an external usb har disk corrrect?
Then you can restore ONLY the apps if you install a custom rom to the mobile or the restore must be a complete and not a part of it.
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Yes but not to a USB hard disk. You can chose from internal or externa SD card.
After that you can move it line any other file.
Pretty comon on flashaholics. They try a ROM and a few minutes later flash his entire system(nandroid backup) back.
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What is the twrp.
And the complete system backup you do with clockwork can toy restore ONLY the apps from this backup to a custom rom or kernel that may you have installed at the mobile like samsung galaxy s2?
Where is the clockwork and titanium backup topics so i ask here to.
A LOT OF THANKS.
One more time .. recovery=clockworkmod and does a backup equivalent to an image file in windows. You can save backup to pc, flash other roms and restore your user apps+data from titanium backups and start using. If not happy, restore cwm backup and it'll be exactly how you had it before. Do a nandroid backup, transfer to pc and look inside using winrar, 7zip etc and you'll see what it saves.
When flashing different roms you may or may not restore data from apps via TB as certain data may affect stabily, each custom rom lets you know. For TB best to gooble search their site for guide, troubleshooting, q&a.
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So bottom line is that i can make a complete full backup with clockwork and then can make apps restore with titanium backup correct?
If i leave the oficial rom and change the kernel then i have any problems from the apps restorations?
Nandroid does the full image backup everything, system, boot, apps, data just like windows image restore
Titanium backup for apps + data is great when using same apps across different roms .. read up on its site
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How do i back up all data from my phone to my pc to then put it back to my phone if data erased? Thx
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If your phone is rooted, boot into CWRecovery & do a nandroid backup, and make a note of the CWM version you're making the backup with; maybe append this to the name of the folder you're keeping the backup in (this is what I do). Keep a copy of your backups on your phone's internal SD card (if you have one) and/or your PC. When you want to restore a particular backup, if the backup in question is on your PC, transfer it to your internal/external SD card on your phone. Boot into CWRecovery again & restore the backup. As long as the version of CWM you're using at the time of restoring the backup is somewhat recent, you should be good to go as is. If not, you may have to downgrade to a kernel with a version of CWM closer to the version you made the backup with first.
And if your phone isn't rooted, why are you here ?
Haha im triing to root it
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Quick question : if its not rooted can i just copy past all the phones data on my computer then putting it back in the phone?
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You can probably use an app like MyBackupPro (there are probably other apps which can backup a non-rooted phone as well), but I have no experience with those so I can't advise re: their use.
As well as doing regular nandroid backups in CWM, backing up settings/apps regularly with TiPro (look for it on Google Play) is a good idea as well.
And maybe start using the forum for the "g" model.....
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Well, I'm not rooted and I like bits and pieces of wisdom...
If you are not rooted, there are at least 2 options:
1. Samsung Kies (yeah, I know... who uses Kies at all?)
2. MyPhoneExplorer
I have seen members saying that nandroid backup is like the first thing to do before flashing/rooting etc.
I want to ask, how important is nandroid backup for our device? I read somewhere that its nearly impossible to brick your rezound as long as its S-ON, so is nandroid backup still important?
Thing is, my memory card slot is not working and there isn't a way to backup nandroid. Was thinking of flashing some ROMs.
Nandroid are like restore points, if you mess something up you can always go back. It's a must for frequent rom flashing unless you like losing all your data every time you mess something up and end up running an RUU to get it back to working order. Idk if it's possible to maybe have the nandroid save on your internal storage.
Also look on the play store, I remember seeing someone make an app that will do a nandroid backup to cloud.. While the device is booted.
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Oh yeah, isn't it called orange something... ?
Yep, here it is:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...S5wb21tZWRldGVycmVzYXV0ZWUudHdvYm9yYW5nZTMiXQ..
Orange Backup and Root
TWRP can backup to internal memory...
feralicious said:
Oh yeah, isn't it called orange something... ?
Yep, here it is:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...S5wb21tZWRldGVycmVzYXV0ZWUudHdvYm9yYW5nZTMiXQ..
Orange Backup and Root
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Hi feralicious,
There us a Thread relative to Orange Backup, see my signature if you have any question!
Regards
@Max725
If I make a backup with TWRP, can I restore it if needed using AmonRa?
Thanks for the replies.
lamborg said:
@Max725
If I make a backup with TWRP, can I restore it if needed using AmonRa?
Thanks for the replies.
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I don't know about TWRP and AmonRa, but I do know that TWRP and CWM didn't like each other the last time I tried, which was a couple months ago for a friend. I had to do a different backup using TWRP because it would not read the previous backup properly, which was made with CWM.
EDIT: I did find that Amon Ra can restore CWM backups.
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Nand Restore Clockwork : browse to and restore cwm backup
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lamborg said:
@Max725
If I make a backup with TWRP, can I restore it if needed using AmonRa?
Thanks for the replies.
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I really have no idea... I haven't used anything but TWRP for several months.