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Hi Gurus
Is it safer to apply HardSPL first then SIM unlock or the other way round.
Maybe it doesnt matter.
Whats your view ?
Asif
I did sim unlock first. then I apply hardspl. now flashing different roms. don't know exactly how the process suppose to be but that's what I did and my phone is working like a champ
I did hard spl, then Sim unlocked, not sure if it matters. I had the same query when I unlocked, but wondered if I missed something in the WIKI, so didn't ask due to a good flaming (if you aint done your research you can get crusified in here). Your braver than me lol
@AsifM3100: U need to do the CID/SIM update first; it will load it's own spl and radio. When U have completed the process, then U should install the hardspl before flashing your own radio and or rom.
Sotian
You post made me laugh. However I have made the same observation but couldnt find the answer in the wiki or other posts. Its one of the reasons why I have put off unlocking and flashing for such a long time. So many people who you feel sorry for, cos they have bricked their phones and who are panicking, just get told to do the research. When you are in that state the last thing you need is research. Its such a contrast to the SAP developer network site that I use regularly where evryone is so keen to help (me included).
Having said that its still the best site for us Hermese peeps. I would be in no state to unlock if it wasnt for this site. I just hope nothing goes wrong.
Regards
Asif
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Sotian
Its such a contrast to the SAP developer network site that I use regularly where evryone is so keen to help (me included).
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3 thoughts on this:
1. It is scary when the Germans are nicer than us
2. You gotta feel sorry for anyone hanging around in an SAP developer network
3. We aren't so bad when people have done research. It is the "HELP PLZ!!!!! - JUST GOT MY HERMES THIS MORNING AND BRICKED IT!!!!" posts that get people upset. Or the "CAN SOMEONE TELL ME IF THERE IS A WM6 ROM AVAILABLE FOR THE 8525 BY CINGULAR????" People who do their research and ask don't get crucified too badly - usually.
Oh, and regarding the question - doesn't really matter, since (as galaxys noted) the unlocker uses it's own SPL called SSPL and overrides whatever SPL you have loaded. However, it is good practice to throw HardSPL on their as the first step, since it protects the Hermes from having it's bootloader borked - and that is a good thing!
Hi todd_gj
There are not that many Germans on the SAP dewv Networks. Its mainly asian probably in Southern India. Most of the software is now developed out there, especially sisnce it costs $10 an hour. I bet most WM5/6 is churned out over there.
But I do take your point. You need to do your reading, but i have found a little extra help goes a long way to making sense of it all.
Regards
Asif
I have an AT&T 8525 arriving tomorrow and I'm so excited by the possibilities... but at the same time I'm just by all the different jargon and things that everyone seems to know about. I'm coming from a Blackjack which I've hacked the crap out of but this just seems so much more complicated. Anyway, hello, if you have any suggestions for someone who has never had an HTC before, please post them up for me, because I really just don't know where to start.
Thanks!
Start here, read and learn
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
welcome to the club, please read all the Sticky topics on the main page of HERMES Upgrading ect...
if you still have any questions or concerns then post your next question...
happy reading
Oh god... come in sucker.
First of all, before you even start using your phone, SIM unlock it, super CID it, install Bootloader 1.11 but not 1.04 unless you have Olipro 1.02b or you have acces to KITL, then flash every ROM you can find until sleep deprivation affects your marriage your job and you forget the name of your eldest child.
Then after two months of owning a phone that almost never is in a working state, you'll get it stuck in bootloader mode just after you suffered your first white screen of death, and in desperation you will call your carrier with a string of lies and send it back for a replacement.
Then you start the whole process again...
Have fun... not.
esseff said:
Oh god... come in sucker.
First of all, before you even start using your phone, SIM unlock it, super CID it, install Bootloader 1.11 but not 1.04 unless you have Olipro 1.02b or you have acces to KITL, then flash every ROM you can find until sleep deprivation affects your marriage your job and you forget the name of your eldest child.
Then after two months of owning a phone that almost never is in a working state, you'll get it stuck in bootloader mode just after you suffered your first white screen of death, and in desperation you will call your carrier with a string of lies and send it back for a replacement.
Then you start the whole process again...
Have fun... not.
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LOL - that is funny, but a little pessimistic.
If you have hacked your Blackjack to shreads, you will have no problem.
Start with MrVanx Upgrade Guides to see the process.
Then, once you have a feel for the bits and pieces of the process, read through the wiki and forums and you will be able to sort through the threds of relavence. It is really not THAT hard once you have done a little homework.
Most important thing - the first thing you should do is upgrade the SPL to Olipro's HardSPLv7 - do that first - that way you can recover from just about anything.
Rest assured, if you have a little experience, educate yourself and follow the guides to get started, your device will work 99% of the time. Don't fret.
I am also one of those new users and my 8525 is coming in a few days but i'm a bit technical about computers so i tend to grab it quickly, i DON'T want to play around with my mobile, i just want to unlock it, then put it to some good windows mobile 6, and then forget about it till windows mobile 7 comes, does that mean i use pof's sim unlocker v3a to unlock my phone...
alternative is Hard-SPL, if thati have seen that making your phone supercid seems dangerous and the safer s true i simply apply hard-spl on my phone? (though i don't even know what it does if its a utility or a piece of code integrated into your phone or a custom bootloader ), after applying hardspl, i simply follow the legitimate official instructions to install TyTN Mobile 6 official rom as if my 8525 was a HTC TyTN?
I just want my final goal to be Mobile 6.0 Unlocked in the safest go...
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I am also one of those new users and my 8525 is coming in a few days but i'm a bit technical about computers so i tend to grab it quickly, i DON'T want to play around with my mobile, i just want to unlock it, then put it to some good windows mobile 6, and then forget about it till windows mobile 7 comes, does that mean i use pof's sim unlocker v3a to unlock my phone...
alternative is Hard-SPL, if thati have seen that making your phone supercid seems dangerous and the safer s true i simply apply hard-spl on my phone? (though i don't even know what it does if its a utility or a piece of code integrated into your phone or a custom bootloader ), after applying hardspl, i simply follow the legitimate official instructions to install TyTN Mobile 6 official rom as if my 8525 was a HTC TyTN?
I just want my final goal to be Mobile 6.0 Unlocked in the safest go...
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How do you know that WM5 isn't good enough for you? If the only thing you want on your phone is WM6, why didn't you buy one with this pre-installed? Maybe you should spend some more time reading before you get, and break your new toy - all the best links are already posted above and if you'd read them you wouldn't be posting these questions.
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LOL - that is funny, but a little pessimistic.
If you have hacked your Blackjack to shreads, you will have no problem.
Start with MrVanx Upgrade Guides to see the process.
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Pessimistic?
That link lists no fewer than five operating systems, for one device, all WM6!!!
Which one works??? This is ridiculous!
This is worse than linux!
...head...spinning...
Thanks for the advice to everyone who gave it... I got my Hermes at 1 this afternoon and it's been sitting on my desk, charging and keeping me from really getting any work done all afternoon. I'm going to assume that all the acronyms y'all are throwing at me will be explained in the wikis...
Don't freak them out guys , get it unlock it install official go to bed happy, if you want to go crazy over installing different versions of roms all the time do so but check the safety steps first (many guides here, Mr. Vanx's is a great place to start) mind you there is no 100% safe option and most of the roms are more or less the same, you can always add cab files of things you want, it's better to stick to a clean rom. If you play with it there might be a chance you screw it... badly (even if you know what you're doing)
Me I just updated the official WM6 (which was released sooooo long later) thankfully in your case you don't have to wait.
Either way congrads on the phone and enjoy it, some small issues aside you have a great piece of hardware there.
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Pessimistic?
That link lists no fewer than five operating systems, for one device, all WM6!!!
Which one works??? This is ridiculous!
This is worse than linux!
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Nothing is worse than Linux!!!!!
d.butters said:
I have an AT&T 8525 arriving tomorrow and I'm so excited by the possibilities... but at the same time I'm just by all the different jargon and things that everyone seems to know about. I'm coming from a Blackjack which I've hacked the crap out of but this just seems so much more complicated. Anyway, hello, if you have any suggestions for someone who has never had an HTC before, please post them up for me, because I really just don't know where to start.
Thanks!
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welcome... i was like you for a while... i'm a new hermes 8525 owner too... read and learn before you really dive in... understand the terminology and jargon for a while... get used to using your phone in stock mode for a while before moving forward... being familiar with it is important... then the first thing you should install when you decide to is hardspl... good luck...
thanks again to everyone! I have to say that the MrVanx Upgrade Guides link was the best, most helpful thing anyone could have pointed me at - step-by-step instructions to flash my hermes with a new ROM. It was great. The forums also yielded CABs and all sorts of other helpful links that have set me up with a near - perfect phone.
Of course, now I'm bored. what's the next step? 'cooking' my own ROMs? where do I start with that? what are 'kitchens'? I know there's lots out there. thanks again for the help y'all have given!!!
esseff said:
Nothing is worse than Linux!!!!!
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hey now hey now, that's a bit mean. Linux does after all give you the whole house, while Microsoft only gives you the Windows
ok, maybe i'm just causing a bit of trouble hehe... just ignore me hehehe
d.butters said:
thanks again to everyone! I have to say that the MrVanx Upgrade Guides link was the best, most helpful thing anyone could have pointed me at - step-by-step instructions to flash my hermes with a new ROM. It was great. The forums also yielded CABs and all sorts of other helpful links that have set me up with a near - perfect phone.
Of course, now I'm bored. what's the next step? 'cooking' my own ROMs? where do I start with that? what are 'kitchens'? I know there's lots out there. thanks again for the help y'all have given!!!
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So, I can't read your nick without thinking of the Lethal Weapon movie with Chris Rock. He was detective Butters or something. Anywa, I digress...
I think your next logical step is one of two paths:
1. Cooking and coding - either for yourself or for a new release, if you come up with something you think is different or cool for the community - home cooked customization apps are quite popular - settings backup/recover solutions too - fewer options out there for that right now
or
2. Documenting - maybe something you could work with MrVanx on if you want to pick up an area that is not well documented adn try to document it for folks
For cooking, start HERE IN THE WIKI and see what you can figure out. I am not sure if all the latest kitchen releases are in here, but it is a good start. Follow the links then do some additional searches - lot's of cool stuff... enjoy...
I have been less than pleased with my verizon Titan ever since I have had it. It runs very slow. At least twice a week, I have to remove the battery to unfreeze. The other day, I was in a patients room and noticed that her husband had a phone just like mine. I asked him if he liked it and he said that he loved it. I expressed some of my frustrations and he directed me to this website, telling me that he had installed a new radio and kitchen etc and that it now worked great. Looking at some of the websites, I have only become confused and a bit scared to try and tweak my phone. I do not know where to start.
Will somebody give me or direct me to simple idiot proof instructions on how to unlock/unleash the powers of this phone? I need instructions written for someone who knows nothing about altering smartphones.
Thanks in Advance
Not to be rude, but did you even read the stickies on the forum? Plz read the wiki's gather as much knowledge as you can about the subject and then take the plunge. You will find that the wiki's are most helpful. I would update to DCD's latest ROM and get the latest radio.
You will also find out that alot of basic apps don't come with his ROMs. Make sure you get a list of what you need on your phone before you take the plunge. Get a backup program like PIM backup.
Do searches. Research on your own. nobody here is going to do that for you. People created these wiki's for a reason. USE THEM.
In all truthfulness you should not hack your phone unless you know what you are doing. The wikis and threads are very daunting even to those who have some knowledge of what is going on.
Not trying to be rude, but maybe you need a different phone. One that works the way you want it to work right out of the box.
Best case scenario, even if you manage to fumble your way thru the wikis and then later flash your rom, are you going to be able to recover if you get stuck in the bootloader?
The wikis have the info that you need. But like learning medicine you have to apply yourself.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=392133
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Titan
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=dcdtitanroms
http://ppckitchen.org
You may want to try this one first, to see what all this cooking stuff is all about
gc14 said:
Yes, this is the official sprint 6.1 update with 3.42.02 radio. Non sprint customers can use it to flash the radio only (if you can't via sd card), but again CAN'T let customizations run. Non sprint customers will have to wait until the custom rom is released.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402887
There are different methods to flash your rom, and different choices for rom updates. Read up on all of them. Trust me, you will need the info sooner or later.
Like it says in the DCD thread you need to unlock your phone, you need a rom, radio, and a carrier. I just flashed my sprint titan for the first time and just about cried when it got stuck in the bootloader.
oh looky what I just accidentally found in the forums.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=403866
Boomstick said:
oh looky what I just accidentally found in the forums.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=403866
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What an amazing concept, you read the forum.
Unfortunately that many guides offer what I feel to be short-cuts. It may be fine if everything goes perfectly, but the problem with such simplifications is that new people can find themselves stuck in unfamiliar territory.
People should be take the time to be aware of background to what they are doing to their phones. Personally, I'd rather recommend taking care to understand the Wiki as myself and others have made the effort to cover many possibilities and recovers when flashing.
Hysterical that the poster identifies himself as a trauma surgeon. Lets hope that if any of us is ever unlucky enough to find ourselves on the other end of the scalpel from this joker, that he isn't standing at the table saying "how do you do this?", and might have taken the time to read up first.
There is no correlation between Surgeon and Computer literacy. My wife's cousin in finishing up Med school and is as bright as they come yet not computer savy beyond common tasks.
As for the actual question he needs not to worry. Using the link with Step by Step to the Verizon upgrade will go easy for you. I only suggest doing the radio via SD card and Rom via USB.
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There is no correlation between Surgeon and Computer literacy. My wife's cousin in finishing up Med school and is as bright as they come yet not computer savy beyond common tasks.
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Its not the correlation, its the attitude.
Interesting attitudes here
I will start of first saying thank you to those of you who actually are trying to help. For the rest of you, yes I did search the forum and yes I did read the Wiki. I still did not feel like I understood things well enough to run the risk of "bricking" my phone. (That is new lingo for those of us who don't spend all of our time on computers) Of course I could spend 10 or 20 hours or more, learning more about the phone, which would mean that some time in October I might have it figured out. My job simply does not give me the time to spend hours and hours trying to tweak my phone. I am in the hospital 110 to 120 hours a week (not a month). I feel lucky when I get a few minutes with my wife and kids. But rest assured, when you crash you car and you are bleeding to death, I am there for you just as I am for everyone else. So for the rest of you who are too cocky and to much of a smartass to help someone else out, I ask what in the world are you doing in this forum anyway. I would predict that you are only in here to take what others are here to give OR just here to try and belittle or make others feel stupid.
traumasurg, well aren't you special?
(That is new lingo for those of us who don't spend all of our time on computers)
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Get off your high horse, exceptional ego, relax, and take the time to respectfully learn. Only a single comment here may have generalised and only slightly went over-board, but none were as bad as your absolute swipe against this community -- your second post to XDA.... ebb pegged it, as you do have a horrible attitude. You may have made a far better first impression by not posting your introduction to the forum as a request for a short-cut to flashing your phone without also stating that you had paid notice to the Wiki and current threads concerning flashing guides.... If you had trouble understanding, then why did you fail to state exactly where you went out-of-depth? If terminology is "new lingo" to you then did you at least cover the basics of basic in our Wiki's Titan for Beginners?
You come in here looking for help yet some of us were quite polite, accurate and specific in warning that you should not rush forward with short-cuts before being aware of what you are doing and how to recovery. Links to help were provided to you before in between your two posts. Your phone is possibly your critical property so you should avoid messing with it if unsure upon ensuring that you can maintain its function.
Warning for you in the future -- don't join a tech forum insult all as shut-in computer geeks who owe our life to you. This is an anonymous forum, and therefore all are potentially equal here. What distinguishes members is their decorum of respect and a display of an effort to learn.
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Warning for you in the future -- don't join a tech forum insult all as shut-in computer geeks who owe our life to you. This is an anonymous forum, and therefore all are potentially equal here. What distinguishes members is their decorum of respect and a display of an effort to learn.
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Look, I in no way implied that everyone in here is a shut-in computer geek, although I have no doubt that some are. If you look back over the replies to my original post, there were a couple of members who showed anything but respect. In fact, two of them even posted twice to my original question without any useful information and replied only to in effect say "look how stupid this guy is." If you were on the other end of that reply, what would you think of those here in this forum? There were however several other responses, yours included, that were helpful. Yes I did read through the Wiki and I also had previously looked at two other websites given me by my patient's husband. It was mostly greek to me. That is why I posted.
I must say, I have been in several different forums, dirtbiking, cycling, climbing, trauma, as well as other computer forums and I have never met such attitudes that I met in here this week.
I'll probably just get an iphone next week.
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I am in the hospital 110 to 120 hours a week (not a month)
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sucks to be you...
and since there is only 168 hours in a week and you say 120 of it is for work... that leaves you with 48 hours of sleeping time... which would be a little less than 7 hours of sleep a day... how do you eat? how do you shower? how do you get laid? no wonder the attitude... if no one else understands... I do
It is tough for some to answer the same questions that are (I promise) explained in the wiki. The hope is that most people would understand and be able to follow through with the instructions, but this is not for anyone, similar to HAM radio and FTA satellite.
I encourage you to go for the iphone, it seems more your speed.
Alright traumasurg, I can understand being a noob sucks. So here is a breakdown of what you should do if you want to get your phone with a new rom and gps radio.
That stock rom wont work with GPS radio. You need a non-stock rom for it to work.
Get this rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402920
Get this radio: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=403280
use this as a guide: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=TitanRecentHome
Once the rom is installed assuming you have verizon, run the carrier cab.
Get carrier cab here: http://www.lifesnotsogood.com/dcd1182/carriers/dcd Verizon Carrier 20080706.cab
Remember you will need to install the new boot loader first. Then do the rest according to instructions there.
Also, make sure you have another phone handy or a land-line handy for when u call verizon. To get it re-authenticated. You will need to do this whenever u go from a non-gps radio to a gps one. (I reccomend doing this during business hours so u dont freak and wont be able to contact them until they open in the morning)
Oh yeah make sure you backup your contacts to outlook(activesync) or use Pimbackup or your gonna be pissed off.
Disclaimer: Kindly Forgive My Long Post
Some Important Details of My Phone:
Hboot version HTC EVO 3D X515m PG86300 GSM:
***LOCKED***
SHOOTER_U PVT SHIP S-ON RL
HBOOT-1.49.009
eMMC-boot
July 18 2011, 12:09:31
ro.carrier:[HTC-India]
Shooteru
CID: [HTC_038]
Android Version: GingerBread 2.3.4
HTC Sense Version: 3.0
Software Number: 1.22.720.4
Kernel Version:
2.6.35.13-g28ad439
[email protected] #1
SMP PREEMPT Thu Jul 21 14:50:22 CST 2011
Baseband Version:
10.54.9020.00U_10.13.9020.20_M
Build Number:
1.22.720.4 CL115289 release-keys
Browser Version:
WebKit/533.1
Dear All, I have taken my time and read through and even posted on most of the forums, but unfortunately not one detailing the stuff I intend to do or proper/clear cut response. First off, I would like you to remember that I am a noob and your elaborate and detailed instructions of the steps involved would invaluably help me and hopefully others looking to do the same, so if you're in a hurry, please don't reply halfheartedly. When you have some free time, reply and I will wait patiently for your instructions on how to go about things. I will wholeheartedly appreciate whatever inputs I can receive from those with some know how about the possibilities/impossibilities of the same and please, like I said, spare the noob with some patience and offer some really helpful posts(even if delayed). Thank you.
My intention listed below: (Have already purchased a 64GB Class 10 Micro SD card)
1. Root to S-Off. (Hopefully with methods to revert back to Original state in case of Jelly bean update being released for the EVO3D or for receiving future updates).
2. Back up my Official GB and apps to be reinstalled with a boot manager to slot 1 as either recovery or First Rom.
3. Obtain The Official ICS update either via OTA or if there is an Official Ruu File for my device. Steps on how to get contacts and apps restored back to this too would be helpful.
4. Back up the ICS Rom to be installed on Slot 2 of boot manager so that dual boot of Official GB and ICS can be done.
5. Possible methods of adding the Jelly Bean Update If/When available to this mix to have a triple booting device with the official ROMs.
Based on the above, this is what I am looking for:
1. Fool proof methods and steps on achieving the same.
2, The necessary apps, recovery programs, region based Stock ROM/Ruu files(in case the backed up Official ROMs are not necessary or deemed applicable), and any other software/apps that may be needed to be downloaded/purchased for performing the same.
3. Step-by-step instructions pertaining to the particular Hboot version, CID, etc of my device.
4. Safety measures to look out for, checklist of files to have before hand and Probable methods of having a safe copy always at hand to recover mobile from any boot loops, bricking, etc.
5. Please note MOST of the links to files are not downloading, especially file factory links of the RUUs. All the other smaller files are there and can be got from alternate sources too, except the more important Big Ones Missing! Kindly rectify the same. Thank You.
I would like to inform some very important things I noticed on the forum/threads in PLENTY and what it would seem like to anyone new on the forums and if you are of sane mind, I am sure you will agree! Not that I'm asking you to, since to someone familiar with things a noob's point of view will ALWAYS seem inferior, because one very easily forgets that he was once a noob too:
1. You have instructions and threads, YES, PLENTY! BUT... There is always a drawback/s mentioned somewhere down the line that too when the thread has nearly 400+ pages! That would only make a person mad for having wasted time to find out that it is a nonworking method, etc. Either the thread has to be cleaned up of repeated questions or WRONG information. Faulty/half-working ROMs have to be either REMOVED or Carry A Warning in the TITLE as well as the 1st post itself so that people won't waste their time reading through the umpteen posts and pages or trying and failing and/or bricking their devices.
2. Too many threads of the same methods to do the same thing whereas there are issues mentioned and argued about with those methods too. Ever heard the saying, "Too many cooks spoil the broth!" ? Also, be more descriptive with titles or threads so that Search will catch it. Eg. If something is either related to GSM or CDMA(even for RUUs, if made known, would help immensely), please have it mentioned first off!
3. In the same way, Methods for Rooting, S-OFF, etc, would be BEST if they were mentioned with the supported/respective Hboot versions or CID numbers since these two seem to be the most important factors from what I have seen. It would be good if members posted their Hboot version [Power off phone, Remove battery, replace it, hold volume button down and then simultaneously press power button for 2 to 3 seconds to go to Hboot menu. Volume buttons to go up or down in the menu, To Exit, move to fastboot, with fastboot highlighted, press power button, scroll down with volume key to reboot, with reboot highlighted, press power button to Exit(see what I mean?! THIS is what a noob would want to know and Not KNOW! Unlike someone flashing 10 to 100 ROMs a day)] and CID version(CID Getter app download from Market/Google Play Store, install and Run. The First Line on TOP in Red shows the CID is...) when they say some method worked for them or DID NOT and be responsible enough to reply when the OP asks if the issue was resolved because it leaves someone reading 500 odd pages left in the dark! And trust me! It isn't an easy task!!!
4. If information is known as to which region RUU/s(Stock Roms) is for a particular CID and Hboot to work without conflicting, kindly link them TOGETHER, if others can be used mention the same, but also how and what files to have in handy in case restoration needs to be done for either warranty or other purposes, since the files will be needed according to the same by each member and having a List/Database in a separate thread with correct details of EACH would immensely help, and then at least the search function would prove more helpful. (Note to Others: Before you change CID or other Important Things, Note Down the About Phone Details of your Phone, CID number, Hboot Version, etc, on a notepad saved as HTC Evo or whatever your phone name is, with a Date in the note for each step you did and when, etc for You To Keep Track, in case the need arises down the line, NOT say you didn't think it was important! Ever try forgetting your wife's birthday or your wedding anniversary, Yeah Right! WE Don't think it's Important, but We'll know better later! ) This is a thousand times better Instead of guess work or time wasted on trial and error and reading a hundred threads that lead people in circles between will work and won't work fights, only to curse the day they thought of trying something with their device!
5. When there is a WRONG INFORMATION passed regarding a ROM/method of S-OFF, etc, get the facts verified ASAP and remove contraindicating or confusing posts or the thread itself if there is an issue, Make it compulsory for OPs to Put up A HUGE WARNING as to the drawbacks of doing something with a particular ROM (or better still Just Remove It), and make known of NON-WORKING things before Hand! Which method pertains to which versions, etc. That way noobs would not end up trying their hands at things that they are not familiar with and end up begging later PLEASE, HEELPPP, etc, on deaf ears in the forum. They can at least have working methods up and try them out and be happy once they succeed and can be even more happy to have entered XDA and can spread the good word!.:highfive:
6. This is supposed to be a forum for productivity, NOT Hold Egos OR Try and test others as guinea pigs and then claim d'oh, or Oh sorry I didn't see or notice that. Your small overlooking of an important factor might cost someone his/her device! Try and sort your $#!T Out BEFORE You post it in a forum! Give detailed answers. If You Don't Know, Say You Don't We Won't Think You Less Wiser, but will Appreciate Your Honesty! Not wait till someone gets Scr3W3D and then later cry hoarse all over the forum! And yet you try to act All High and Mighty After You are Caught With Your Pants Down! Catch My Drift?!
So admins please do clear up things a bit and get rid of unwanted posts or too many topics on the same thing, which would have consequential/negative effects on those visiting those threads, (let them bunch up all their names as credits in the single thread and oh to AVOID the EGO Clash Mention "In No Particular Order" just to make 'em happy!) because it will give a bad name to the forum which I'm sure none of us want to see happening! Just my 20 cents I hope would be useful!:angel: Oh and as a signing off to People Already on The Forum or Coming into the Forum, "I DON'T CARE if You GET Or NOT GET an EVO, JUST PLEASE DON'T GET AN EGO!!!" Take Care and God Bless!
Thank you for your thought out post. I did read the whole thing and agree that in an optimal world, posts would be much more detailed. But, to give that much detail would be a full time job and then some. So many of us give pointers to get people looking in the right direction.
When I rooted my phone as a noob, I had about 20 tabs open researching different sites and consolidating information. I learned a lot that way and am glad someone didn't spoon feed me. But to each his own I guess.
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Thank you for your thought out post. I did read the whole thing and agree that in an optimal world, posts would be much more detailed. But, to give that much detail would be a full time job and then some. So many of us give pointers to get people looking in the right direction.
When I rooted my phone as a noob, I had about 20 tabs open researching different sites and consolidating information. I learned a lot that way and am glad someone didn't spoon feed me. But to each his own I guess.
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Hi coal686, thanks for the reply. Reminds me of my school nickname thankfully which never stuck! lol Well I did type out the long post above because I wanted to mention the difficulties ANY noob would have on approaching the site and also what I DID NOT find Anywhere in the threads. (you have dual boot threads, but not the same) What would seem right direction/s to the "quickie" posters might not actually be the right direction if you read through the threads for the target. Like saying go this way, then that way; oh! and there's also this way and that way too and the person travels all those miles(pages in this case) through all those different paths(threads) only to reach the DEAD END of different sides of the SAME CLIFF to jump off! Don't believe me? Read the threads! You'll understand why and tell me honestly that you don't feel the same way when you see some or rather most of the threads after actually reading a gazillion pages.
You say difficult to give that much detail. I thought we all actually want an optimal world, not a world driven by chaos?! There is much MORE wrong detail given in a single thread or how do I put it?, Target-less detail, other than the intended purpose sometimes. If you did read my post, you would have been kinder to notice that that was what I was trying to mention and imply from my experience. Like I mentioned before, It is NO USE having SO much info(some wrong or non-working) scrambled all about with different variants with no proper target or what it is about. Do you know that if a person literally typed out a single page with proper working methods with so called "spoon-feeding explanations steps to a noob" like how I explained in my post(for the Hboot and CID) there would have been lesser space taken up in the forum and it would be BENEFICIAL to one and all who visit the forum. (also for those who don't have Mbps connections to see, again, misguiding or poorly shot videos on the same)
Don't you think those 4 or 5 points that I posted are obviously what is ideal for any/everyone. List of programs for each purpose, steps to do, Note down the About Phone info, Hboot, CID versions, correct files to download for the same, how and when to do the backup, rooting, But still if the methods were already there, there would be no need to revert or go in for warranty anyway! Tell me you see these important instructions in the best of threads up front and at the very beginning and I'll know how well you read those 20 tabs. Still don't trust me?!
I'll be frank with you, a person who is pretty confident too will come in, read, try, scream at least a million WTFs?!! and different profanities by the time he is done with just one part of the process, would have lost half or more of hair and brain cells, and read a "right-looking" thread which ends up being the wrong thread, mess up his phone, beg on the forums, curse in his heart, still beg more and by the end of it all would say $cr3W T#!s and maybe either kill his/her phone or himself/herself! lol I hope that's not the intention of the forum though, or a new depopulation method?! :laugh:MAO
However, Please tell me you don't believe I am asking to be SPOON FED according to you, and that I came and posted WITHOUT READING ANY THREAD. Just like you, I usually take just a day or two continuously reading stuff, actually more than 20 tabs at a given time to get a hold on any new topic and I'm usually done within that time because it's easy to identify the right stuff for me to get the various topics and have an understanding of what I need to know, but I cannot say the same for this experience. Multiple tabs reading of utter confusion, misguidance, so many pages bookmarked, read through, agonizing to learn, that I am asking something about a person's head(Evo 3D GSM) and two eyes(Dual boot GB/ICS) straight up and I am instead replied to with directions to a person's... tail(don't ask!), or what one or many persons think is a person's head, only directed to the wrong head! You get the picture?
Sorry for being a bit coarse, but I hope it puts my point through clearly or better for people to understand the flaw and rectify it, instead of trying to justify it. For that matter, when you see the so called multitude of videos(it's a PITA on 512kbps), which are supposed to be by people doing this stuff day in and day out, Just see the number of times, they stutter through their own stuff! They cannot go through the process correctly, forget a program in between, forget to post the links up front, or steps, things like commands and stuff are thrown about in different graphics! Are you serious?! Then go about it all haphazardly and then think to themselves, they HELPED someone!!! Boy if they were a Driving instructor there would be lesser population!
Just for entertainment purposes, This is how it would go:
noobie driver: What do I do sir?
Instructor: Well you put on your seat belt first, start the car, change the gear, slam down the accelerator.. oh $#!t wait I forgot to tell the mechanic to change the brakes, umm... adjust your mirrors, umm... oh yeah press the brakes, umm... there's a truck heading into us!
noobie driver: WTF?! What is the brakes and where is it sir?!
Instructor: What do you mean you don't know what or where the brakes are?!! It's that damn pedal down there you Noobie Nut job!!! (looks down) Oh s#!t!!! I forgot to refit the brake pedal that I took out too!!! Never mind Bubba say your prayers!!!
CRAAAAASHHHHH!
This is about the same scenario that's happening! Like with computers, just because I know a little, if I instruct someone who has never touched a computer or maybe owns a computer and types stuff on it, blindly saying, put the power cord into the SMPS socket, take the RAM out, clean it and RAM It into slot 1 not slot 2, the one next to the CPU is slot 1. Replace the CMOS battery, Check if Hard disk is connected, Check if DVD writer is SATA/IDE! Clear the CMOS jumper by moving it from pins 1-2 to 2-3 and then back to 1-2. Oh, but first, pull out the power cord before you do! Do you know what reaction I would get?! I would probably hear a BUZZ, see some sparks and have one less person and one less machine on the planet!
Now I know when reading this long post, some might be with their noses pointing in the air saying, Oh we don't have the time for this nonsense! But seriously, you think that others are enjoying the experience like I'm going through?! The neck, back and headache I'm having right now is all proof to it and if experienced by you, you'll definitely not hesitate to even spoon feed me! All this stuff will just put the TRUE picture of how things are, well, at least for now. If Anyone patient enough and want to seriously change things to an optimal world situation, and willing to guide me through though, I will STILL be Patiently WAITING for your knowledgeable inputs.
BTW, still the file factory downloads keep timing out or failing before the end and after three attempts, that too through DTA(down them all) to avoid any failure, it is coming as a failed download or simply beeps completed, but with a html of 21kb!!! Torrents Anyone?! Also for the said Hboot version and CID of my device(or am I supposed to change it?) Which are the RUUs to download? Shooter U GB/ICS Europe or Asia? I am guessing a backup of my own GB would be useful for the future just in case so how to do the needful would be good. Thanks once again for your patience on whoever gets to read this and will as usual appreciate ANY inputs on the same. Cheers and God Bless.
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@zcink: Thanks for the quick response. Oh, btw your logo pic is my pet name Micky (in case you change your pic) lol! Also what you mentioned is what I am somewhat hoping to do. Lol and I can imagine why it was quickly shot down! lol Care to post the steps though for my scenario, either here or on a separate thread and it may benefit some, if not many! I did try breaking up the paragraphs for easier reading bro. It's really not that difficult to read and sorry once again if it is. Well other than the seemingly unimportant stuff, this part from my first post being replied to in detail would be more than sufficient:
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My intentions listed below: (Have already purchased a 64GB Class 10 Micro SD card)
1. Root to S-Off. (Hopefully with methods to revert back to Original state in case of Jelly bean update being released for the EVO3D or for receiving future updates).
2. Back up my Official GB and apps to be reinstalled with a boot manager to slot 1 as either recovery or First Rom.
3. Obtain The Official ICS update either via OTA or if there is an Official Ruu File for my device. Steps on how to get contacts and apps restored back to this too would be helpful.
4. Back up of the ICS Rom with apps, etc to be installed on Slot 2 of boot manager so that Dual boot of OFFICIAL GB and ICS ROMs can be done.
5. Possible methods of adding the Jelly Bean Update If/When available to this mix to have a triple booting device with the official ROMs.
Based on the above, this is what I am looking for:
1. Fool proof methods and steps on achieving the same.
2, The necessary apps, recovery programs, region based Stock ROM/Ruu files(in case the backed up Official ROMs are not necessary or deemed applicable), and any other software/apps that may be needed to be downloaded/purchased for performing the same.
3. Step-by-step instructions pertaining to the particular Hboot version, CID, etc of my device.
4. Safety measures to look out for, checklist of files to have before hand and Probable methods of having a safe copy always at hand to recover mobile from any boot loops, bricking, etc.
5. Please note MOST of the links to files are not downloading, especially file factory links of the RUUs. All the other smaller files are there and can be got from alternate sources too, except the more important Big Ones Missing! Kindly rectify the same. Thank You.
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Lol, I can't help but notice that I mentioned the words "Official ROMs" many times just to be clear and it was so easily missed (Sorry, if I am to blame or wasn't clear enough) I am not all too keen on Custom ROMs having one or two (maybe unimportant to some, but important to me) features missing making my phone defunct, but rather thoroughly working with its original ROMs. I would however be more than happy to add Any FULLY working ROMs with maybe Sense 4.0 and Beats to the mix, but I was already told that there are NONE and also explained the reason why they are that way, so I do understand!
Let me guess my friend. Either the installed radio or the kernels must have been the issue because one would have been for GB whereas it won't work for ICS or vice versa. That's why I was hoping that someone who knows or tried out this stuff to the core would know which is the commonly working Kernel or Radio to install both ROMs without error, or if say Maybe Official backed up GB was installed back onto the phone as slot 1 and Official ICS was backed up and installed onto a partition on the SD card as slot 2, with maybe a separate partition for ROMs and Data so that say each ROM stays within that area having their own separate kernels, radios, etc when loaded into via the boot manager and hence not having issues with their working.
Sorry, I am not too well-versed with the workings of android, but I am just trying to give my thoughts based on what I know through my experience with dual booting computers, though I know we're talking different things here, but am sure some things might be common. Just out of curiosity, does maybe android not have ways to direct or redirect the phone to a separate portion to run each particular ROM and maybe because all the files are all dumped in the ROOT there are errors?
Because for example if I were to take both XP and Windows 7 files(though common platform) and place it on the same partition, there are definitely bound to be errors. Whereas GB and ICS are more like Windows XP and Linux(only Android Mobile being the common platform here) so probably placing them all in the same place(Root of phone) is scr3wing up things. Does Android segregate things(files to separate partitions) in the same way as computers do and the boot loader able to direct/redirect to the appropriate partitions/ROMs for smooth performance? OR Does it have NO method of doing so hence the chaos?!
If that was the case, any developers of the boot managers, ROMs, etc who manage to write stuff in a way that it is able to hold different kernels/radios for the respective ROM/s in separate partitions on the memory card (or Phone if enough memory on board) would be able to manipulate the system to make the boot loader redirect correctly to the appropriate partition and hence make it error free in operation since all the needed files would be present in that location. Also a common way to connect to other files(media, etc) on a Separate Data Partition, would enable each ROM to recognize/find/see those files instead of missing/not detecting files, or say getting apps and contacts for EACH Rom reinstalled again and again, similar to as on OS' of computers.
Am I just blabbering/rambling here not knowing what I'm talking about?! I guess so, but Well, just my 2 cents which could hopefully benefit for the future to someone or some developer who tries to think differently like me(err.. the thinking part that is, not the developer part! lol). Thanks and anticipating once again your knowledgeable inputs.
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******LOCKED*******
SHOOTER_U PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
HBOOT-1.49.0018
RADIO-11.25.35.3504.06_M
openDSP-v02.6.0.2226.00.0202
eMMC-boot
oct 3 2011,15;03;01
need help how to revive this phone is urgent thanks in advance
Hello, wonderful and talented guys. I follow your work, but i have to say that work here is a bit not organized. So many ways to achive something, so many threads, and so many things that go wrong. I know there are hours of hard work and so on, so probably my critics dont go against you developers, but towards the site's organizers. Its damn hard to find a real solution to a situation. You are awesome programmers, but finding a good solution to something specific can be tricky as hell. I have a device, for example, that shows another model while trying recovery. No help about TWRP troubleshooting. I'm lost now as a noob (as you guys call), though i need basic info. Guides are, most of them, a couple of command lines, which dont help to people who dont even know what is that. Einstein said "everybody is a genius, but if you jugde a fish for his way of climbing a tree, he will always think he is stupid". You are awesome programmers, but please organize the site better. Or get people to do that. Some program, some explain, you dont have to be all in one. Thanks for your attention to this post, and i hope you are intellingent enough to get this as a suggestion. See you around
I fully agree with you..I have been in charge in of a forum a few years back and I kept things in one thread.
In this case here with the togari there was a few users who was very active here in the beginning mostly those who got their hands on one in the early summer.
Then it died off and the pinned posts are there and dead..no one writes in them.
And then there was the legendary user LordManhattan who got banned and reappeared and got banned again and again
I dunno why don't ask me why the user was banned..
Perhaps if no one else replies here I might consolidate all info here in one thread and keep it alive for a few years.
And finally ask a mod to remove the old pinned threads and replace it with a new "single" one thread.
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I fully agree with you..I have been in charge in of a forum a few years back and I kept things in one thread.
In this case here with the togari there was a few users who was very active here in the beginning mostly those who got their hands on one in the early summer.
Then it died off and the pinned posts are there and dead..no one writes in them.
And then there was the legendary user LordManhattan who got banned and reappeared and got banned again and again
I dunno why don't ask me why the user was banned..
Perhaps if no one else replies here I might consolidate all info here in one thread and keep it alive for a few years.
And finally ask a mod to remove the old pinned threads and replace it with a new "single" one thread.
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Thanks a lot for the kind reply I will try to do that, and maybe I can finally explain my situation with togari... Could be?
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Thanks a lot for the kind reply I will try to do that, and maybe I can finally explain my situation with togari... Could be?
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I dont understand. Explain what?
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I dont understand. Explain what?
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I mean, posting my problem with my Z Ultra, looking for help...
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I mean, posting my problem with my Z Ultra, looking for help...
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It seems to me you divided your topic into two parts a technical issue and an argument.
I read your post as your main argument is gained towards your disappointment against the disorganized forum with topics hard to find an easy to follow 1, 2, 3 step answer to an issue.
And I agree with this.
Hence my suggestion that I might be willing to consolidate information to a new single pinned thread.
If you have a specific issue you want help with look in the different parts of the forum but more specifically
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z-ultra/help
If you looked through all pages and you don't find any other thread similar to your topic then start a new thread and ask your question.
You can also use the search function. Put in a single word and it will soon find other posts with this word included if you get a hit.
But I don't fully understand if your main issue is that the recovery reporting a different device from what you are using?
This was the case years ago when roms for example was ported from togari's little brother honami. But this was solved eventually.
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It seems to me you divided your topic into two parts a technical issue and an argument.
I read your post as your main argument is gained towards your disappointment against the disorganized forum with topics hard to find an easy to follow 1, 2, 3 step answer to an issue.
And I agree with this.
Hence my suggestion that I might be willing to consolidate information to a new single pinned thread.
If you have a specific issue you want help with look in the different parts of the forum but more specifically
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z-ultra/help
If you looked through all pages and you don't find any other thread similar to your topic then start a new thread and ask your question.
You can also use the search function. Put in a single word and it will soon find other posts with this word included if you get a hit.
But I don't fully understand if your main issue is that the recovery reporting a different device from what you are using?
This was the case years ago when roms for example was ported from togari's little brother honami. But this was solved eventually.
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Thanks again for your kind reply. So yes, for keeping it the best way, I will make a new post with my issues in the link you sent me, as I didn't find any case like mine... Thanks again and please, take a look at my post in the forum and if possible, please help me
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I fully agree with you..I have been in charge in of a forum a few years back and I kept things in one thread.
In this case here with the togari there was a few users who was very active here in the beginning mostly those who got their hands on one in the early summer.
Then it died off and the pinned posts are there and dead..no one writes in them.
And then there was the legendary user LordManhattan who got banned and reappeared and got banned again and again
I dunno why don't ask me why the user was banned..
Perhaps if no one else replies here I might consolidate all info here in one thread and keep it alive for a few years.
And finally ask a mod to remove the old pinned threads and replace it with a new "single" one thread.
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WOW happy to see you SUper user ...!! i am using this forum since 2009 when HTC magic first came out and rooting it was hell of a task including , creating a gold card via hex editor , remote not allowed issue , i recall amon_ra he helped me alot i worked whole night kept on reading carefully each step ... those days were amazing ,
i see now a days very little support by senior devs... for older phones...
by the ways thanks for all your hard work all devs and supporters ...
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WOW happy to see you SUper user ...!! i am using this forum since 2009 when HTC magic first came out and rooting it was hell of a task including , creating a gold card via hex editor , remote not allowed issue , i recall amon_ra he helped me alot i worked whole night kept on reading carefully each step ... those days were amazing ,
i see now a days very little support by senior devs... for older phones...
by the ways thanks for all your hard work all devs and supporters ...
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My pleasure :highfive: I read a lot about android and was very excited when they announced android.
But I didn't buy one until the desire was released. I kept going with my iphone 1 and 3g modding with cydia.
I had a few htc desire pvt 1 and two pvt 4 with boatloads of devs solving problems and coming up with exotic mods. I still have my one x.
I recently got my hands on a desire a year ago when a friend had one that didn't boot. It turned out someone in the past had done s-off and flashed a data2sd rom and the sd card was accidentally wiped making it unable to boot.
I enjoyed every bit of the time took me to fix the phone and reminded me how android really was a different world back then. I understand that it is much more fun owning an HTC device by looking at any of their device forums as there is tons of roms and devs hanging out there just like the old days. Its what I miss with sony devices.. here is a small group of users that don't keep their devices for very long and the forum fades away in silence.
I have also had many samsung devices probably being the most confusing due to their naming of stock roms..THSMM338FHHH could be older than THSMRM338FHHH but newer than THSMRR348FHHA ..(??)
"worked whole night kept on reading carefully each step"
Something similar I think senior flashoholics have probably forgotten the horrifying ~30 minutes endlessly waiting for the phone to boot after flashing a rom or mod thinking..
"if my phone don't boot now I bricked my phone". "$1k is going down the drain if it don't boot in the next 2 min.."
Thank god we don't have that today. Back then flashing roms was living on the edge
Probably the most scary I've done is gaining s-off on our desire. http://alpharev.nl/
Several times the terminal returned some type of error and you're ready to smack your phone in the table :crying:
I had totally forgotten about "remote not allowed "! I hate that.
I've gotten that message so many times when rooting a phone and then suddenly it just works..
I think I eventually gave up on rooting the Wildfire S because of this error message..I followed the guide correctly but it did not work.
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My pleasure :highfive: I read a lot about android and was very excited when they announced android.
But I didn't buy one until the desire was released. I kept going with my iphone 1 and 3g modding with cydia.
I had a few htc desire pvt 1 and two pvt 4 with boatloads of devs solving problems and coming up with exotic mods. I still have my one x.
I recently got my hands on a desire a year ago when a friend had one that didn't boot. It turned out someone in the past had done s-off and flashed a data2sd rom and the sd card was accidentally wiped making it unable to boot.
I enjoyed every bit of the time took me to fix the phone and reminded me how android really was a different world back then. I understand that it is much more fun owning an HTC device by looking at any of their device forums as there is tons of roms and devs hanging out there just like the old days. Its what I miss with sony devices.. here is a small group of users that don't keep their devices for very long and the forum fades away in silence.
I have also had many samsung devices probably being the most confusing due to their naming of stock roms..THSMM338FHHH could be older than THSMRM338FHHH but newer than THSMRR348FHHA ..(??)
"worked whole night kept on reading carefully each step"
Something similar I think senior flashoholics have probably forgotten the horrifying ~30 minutes endlessly waiting for the phone to boot after flashing a rom or mod thinking..
"if my phone don't boot now I bricked my phone". "$1k is going down the drain if it don't boot in the next 2 min.."
Thank god we don't have that today. Back then flashing roms was living on the edge
Probably the most scary I've done is gaining s-off on our desire. http://alpharev.nl/
Several times the terminal returned some type of error and you're ready to smack your phone in the table :crying:
I had totally forgotten about "remote not allowed "! I hate that.
I've gotten that message so many times when rooting a phone and then suddenly it just works..
I think I eventually gave up on rooting the Wildfire S because of this error message..I followed the guide correctly but it did not work.
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and there we have Scary , Jtag Method for recovering form hardbrick .... any how those were amazing days ,
i have been using Xperia z ultra and i have bricked it for almost 10 times how ever sony flashing utilities are awsome by which i can revive the phone in minute to stock and flashtools is your freind for recoveries.... i am loving this time
http://www.vendetodito.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/JTAG-Android.jpg
any how , AMon_ra guide about HTC magic rooting was an amazing if any one follows is properly then its amazing guide... @Amon_RA
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