I wonder if Hasbro plans on sueing ASUS since they probably have the name "transformer Prime" copyrighted. Maybe someone should give Hasbro Apple's phone number. They can get a few tips from them on how to sue someone for using a name or even perhaps a geometric shape such as a rectangle .
(Sorry had to do a little tongue in cheek with all this doom and gloom about delays)
I plan on covering up the ASUS on the back of my purple Prime with a Decepticon sticker Come at me, bro!
i don't think they have either of those words under trademark, or they aren't enforcing it publicly, as asus had no problem with the original transformer.
if they marketed it with refrences to the IP, then they could have issue, but they are using the words in a more generic sence officially, and those of us who are familiar with the pop culture refrence that is implied, are making that association on our own.
Well hopefully not everyone is a d***head like Apple is.
Heck every time I call gamestop & ask them about the Transformer Prime they think I'm talking about a game lol.I'm like no the tablet.
The word Transformer is used everywhere.. Electrical and in theater etc. No way
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Heck every time I call gamestop & ask them about the Transformer Prime they think I'm talking about a game lol.I'm like no the tablet.
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lol alot of times when I do seraches for it I forget to throw in asus and i get pages and pages of optimus prime!
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The word Transformer is used everywhere.. Electrical and in theater etc. No way
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That should make a great wallpaper for the Prime!
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Sure would. Saved it to my iPad in the meantime
The question in trademark cases is, essentially, could a reasonable person be confused as to the source of a product or service bearing a trademarked term, image, design, etc.? The idea is that we don't want someone to be able to, say, sell a brown-colored (or potentially any other colored, nowadays) beverage and have a reasonable person think it comes from Pepsi. Or, trick someone into buying a cheap knockoff shoe by making them think it's made by Nike.
In this case, then, could someone think that the Transformer Prime is made by Hasbro? Are tablets like the Prime close enough to Transformer toys that a reasonable person is going to be confused as to their source?
I'm guessing, probably not, because Hasbro didn't sue ASUS over the name "Transformer," even though in fact the tablet "transforms" from one kind of device (a tablet) into another (a notebook computer) in much the same way that Transformers transform from robotic creatures into recognizable human vehicles. Either Hasbro didn't see a case, or there was a quiet license agreement cut between ASUS and Hasbro.
Interestingly, "Transformer Prime" takes the use even further away from the generic concept of "transforming from one thing to another" to a specific "Transformer" character, i.e., Optimus Prime. The word "Prime" in this case is very intimately tied to the Hasbro franchise, creatively. It's a bit of a stretch for ASUS to say "we really just mean that this tablet is the 'prime' example of a transforming device." I mean, seriously.
Again, though, tablets aren't the same as toys, and so although ASUS benefits from the connection made by fans of the Transformer cartoons and movies and such, there's not likely to be any confusion among consumers as to who is making what. Hence, there's probably no trademark infringement case.
It doesn't necessarily refer to under optimus prime, since they don't use the word optimus and he was not the only prime anyways.
Not that it natters just making an argument for the sake of doing it.
Prime is just a designation of something being the first or best of something.
Any one here about the sale of the transleeve?
Thanks god the Tegra 3 doesn't use NVIDIA's Optimus technology right lol? We would be in real trouble if the Transformer prime had Nvidia Optimus.
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Thanks god the Tegra 3 doesn't use NVIDIA's Optimus technology right lol? We would be in real trouble if the Transformer prime had Nvidia Optimus.
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Actually have that on my alienware m11x and it works trouble free for me. I get your joke but I don't see an issue.
There is also an lg optimus phone.
I think its funny that Motorola has to license "DROID" from George Lucas even though the phones had no reference to star wars except for the d2
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Well, since the Transformer Prime has been so heavily marketed and ASUS has a Transformer line of products, I am sure any legal dispute would lead to a licensing agreement like the use of "Droid", which was also kinda a questionable trademark.
I can only think that Motorola must have thought it would be cheaper to pay the license than battle it out with LucasArts in the courts. And, they got the added benefit of the direct marketing tie with the D2.
However, the same standard applies there: would a reasonable person think the "Droid" phone was from LucasArts? I'd say the case is even clearer here: I don't think ANY reasonable person would think that "Droid" as used here has anything to do with the Star Wars "droid", as opposed to the much more obvious shortening of "Android" the mobile OS which, you know, runs on mobile phones like the Droid line.
And again, there might be a license agreement between Hasbro and ASUS, and they just didn't publicize it. Although I'd give that idea more credence if ASUS were to use actual Transformer imagery in their marketing.
I was just trying to be funny. I also have a M11x but I have a R1 so no optimus. Just thought it would be funny if it was a Transformer Prime w/ Optimus technology lol. This whole thing was sort of my stab at apple and them sueing everyone and a brother for anything they precieve as their invention. Was wanted to throw out some fun since everyone is doom and gloom about a delay or what not.
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HP was emailing out surveys to a select few people people with questions such as, "How satisfied are you with your HP TouchPad?", "What do you want more of?" and, "How much did you pay for your TouchPad?”
Looks like it's full steam ahead for HP, lest we forget, HP is, in fact the largest PC maker in the world, they decided to keep their PC division, that means tablets too. And things haven't been slowing down for them either. First it was the Slate 2, then the Envy Laptop, and now there's rumors of a new TouchPad.
nice renders....
but if there is anything then it would be running windows 8 or something.
I got that survey too----i wouldn't read that much into it. It'd be nice, but I can't see them reversing themselves again
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HP was emailing out surveys to a select few people people with questions such as, "How satisfied are you with your HP TouchPad?", "What do you want more of?" and, "How much did you pay for your TouchPad?”
Looks like it's full steam ahead for HP, lest we forget, HP is, in fact the largest PC maker in the world, they decided to keep their PC division, that means tablets too. And things haven't been slowing down for them either. First it was the Slate 2, then the Envy Laptop, and now there's rumors of a new TouchPad.
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Dunno, looks pretty good, Microsoft may buy webOS to avoid other companies obtaining the patents. Microsoft has been rumored to be purchasing webOS patents, leading to what some believe to be a webOS/Microsoft hybrid.
http://www.informationweek.com/byte/commentary/personal-tech/tablets/231600600
This is a good thing because Microsoft wouldn't necessarily have to buy the patents outright. Whitman has already mentioned a "TouchPad 2.0" and I think the TP is deserving of a second chance now more than ever.
Web site from China mainland ?! how many % can be trust .......hahahaha........
Those images - photoshoppery fakishness.
Ask yourself. Has HP not been on the ball lately? New Slate. (Which is lovely by the way) New Laptop(s). Press Conferences. Site redesigns...
New slate? The Slate 2 is just a HP Slate 500 with a better gpu, and slower cpu, with the rest of the specs essentially the same(well its using a slightly newer n-trig digitizer, but nothing to make a current 500 upgrade). It has a lot of Slate 500 owner actually bothered that it took HP a year to bring out something that is more of the same, and didn't even wait to use the newer Atom N2800 cpu. Can't really say that a company on the ball, just a company not sure what to do until the consumer reaction to Windows 8 comes out.
This stuff is all made up, there is no way Microsoft would be involved in making some "Hybrid" of Windows 8, it's doesn't make any sense, Windows 8 and WebOS are competing platforms, they are not complementary to each other in the least. Also why would it be the Touchpad 3, there has only been one generation of the Touchpad.
Edit: a little bit of Googling reveals that no one else is talking about this, OP is creating his own "news".
There has been a 2nd Gen TouchPad, it was the 7-inch TouchPad Go.
https://www.google.com/#hl=en&cp=18....,cf.osb&fp=fc2de84c48e55787&biw=1366&bih=638
Usually, they run stories like this on Monday. It IS the weekend, but, nobody knows about this yet.
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It IS the weekend, but, nobody knows about this yet.
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Are you lonely?
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No, lol but if anything else comes up, be sure to let us know and I'll be keeping my eyes open too for the next thing!
Looks pretty nice... for that is most likely a made up device. At this point I think it all BS and/or wishful thinking.
How much do we really know about Windows 8 being tested on TouchPads?
Nobody ever said anything about that story and it's everywhere.
But that's besides the point: Are you telling me that, when the whole Windows 8 tablet evolution happens, that HP, the biggest PC maker in the world, is not going to make a tablet with Windows 8 on it for consumers?
Now, that would be crazy. It was wise for HP to halt production of the TP1, Windows 8 is right around the corner.
I bet the TP3 is already made.
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How much do we know about Windows 8 being tested on the TouchPads? Nobody ever shot them down. Are you telling me that, when the whole Windows 8 tablet evolution happens, that HP, the biggest PC maker in the world, is not going to make a tablet with Windows 8 on it for consumers?
Now, that would be crazy. It was wise for HP to halt production of the TP1, Windows 8 is right around the corner.
I bet the TP3 is already made.
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From the data in the image you uploaded it would appear that you just created it in Photoshop and it's a bad Photoshop at that.
Stop trolling.
None of that is even the topic at hand lol,
It's part of the whole process when a device is produced, all screen images are simulated. Have you seen a Galaxy Tab commercial lately or a Nokia commercial, or any commercials?? lol
I digress ...
I'd like Windows 8 tablets as is, but integrated webOS sounds like a really good idea, since Microsoft was supposed to have been purchasing the patents anyway.
The question is: Would the TP3 be able to compete with the iPad 3? Of course.
HP would have an excuse to sell it at a high price point. Microsoft gets those patents to save their OS from being a bunch of boring blocks, and suffering the same fate as their Windows phones. So it works for everybody, on the corporate side at least lol!
Sure HP may make a Window 8 tablet, but that as nothing to do with WebOS or the TouchPad.
I'm patient and for the new tablet, and not shoot it down so quickly.
HP may be deciding how exactly this is supposed to play out. Is it going to be dual boot, is it going to be hybrid, what new features it will have..
They've mentioned the possibility of webOS becoming part of their product line as in computers and tablets, but everything they've said, has all been in support of it, so I like what I see.
Honestly, I'm more excited for this than I am for them continuing webOS just by itself. It's more than profitable for them.
I will keep you informed and I will update you.
http://www.ainovo.com/
100 dollar 7 inch tablet that apparently is running ICS. Never heard of ainovo but from reading the website it seems like its maybe a chinese brand?
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http://www.ainovo.com/
100 dollar 7 inch tablet that apparently is running ICS. Never heard of ainovo but from reading the website it seems like its maybe a chinese brand?
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Looks like I'm canceling my Prime pre-order.
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http://www.ainovo.com/
100 dollar 7 inch tablet that apparently is running ICS. Never heard of ainovo but from reading the website it seems like its maybe a chinese brand?
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lol sorry but if you want a high quality tablet, this is not for you.. this is a great tablet to jump into the tablet game because of the low-cost but comeon now... its not that powerful..
Hahaha these little crap tablets give Android a bad name! They're saturating the market with low-price, low functionality tablets that virtually NO ONE wants. When it comes to cheap tablets I'm pretty sure the Fire and the Nook will be king (but mostly the Fire), so there's really no reason to have these things. They give ifans a reason to bash Android IMO.
This actually looks better than the Fire to me. I might be a buyer for my 7 year old...Why not? It doesn't look terrible. Wonder if it is completely 100% lead-free? lol
I'm cool with this. Cheaper tablets give us more options. There are people who basically just want a tablet to read ebooks and play the occasional angry birds. That's what's Android all about. Having options.
LOL, looks like asus slacked for too long and got beat by some cheap china tablet company...
You snooze, U loose!
Ohwell, atleast when the prime finally does come out it will have ICS hopefully right around the corner, and hopefully it will make the diffrence we all been looking for.
That chinglish makes my head ache, coming from a Chinese guy.
Lol, Asus is pissed already, but this will kick it
But unfortunatly there are no measurments on the page.
It looks pretty thick.
So what are the dimensions, how much does it weight?
Also it says it is already sold out when I click to order it.
Everyone cancel their preorders! There is a better tablet out!!!!1!11
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The World's First Android 4.0 Tablet is Coming---Ainol Novo 7 Android 4.0 is coming. At present, most of the android tablet pcs are running on Android 2.3 before they have chance to upgrade to ICS. But a new arrival on Geartaker Ainol Novo 7 is a Google certified Android 3.2 tablet pc,and is announced to be the first Android 4.0 tablet under $100 in the world,making it stand out among the crowds of tablets.The android 4.0 firmare is to be released in the middle of this December.
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I don't see that it's selling today, I see it's claiming to be the 1st ICS tablet. No different than Asus Prime has been claiming. The race is on to who will be the first to actually be the first to deliver one to a customer
well, it isn't the first Craplet device..
Different options for different budgets. That's not such a bad thing. But keep in mind this $100 tablet comes with a $60 shipping charge that makes it not so great afterall.
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Everyone cancel their preorders! There is a better tablet out!!!!1!11
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Already sold out. I was planning on buying this for my 5 year old daughter.
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I ordered one 2 days back. Got an email today that it will take 2 weeks before they start shipping..... They hope it will reach me before christmas.
Time to sell my HP Touchpad. Was tired of waiting for a good android port and this little thing has a microsd card slot. Yeah screen sucks but its still nice i can take pictures and plug it into it on the go.
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booyahh.
this runs @ 1.2 ghz on ICS
i have both basic and advanced models and yes they are good.
root is achieved already on these as well.
Maybe it's not related to the original post but... does their website remind you another one from a big company?
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Maybe it's not related to the original post but... does their website remind you another one from a big company?
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who's website?
a.p.p.l.e.
OK, so i have 600 dollars to give my self a nice present, and i think its time to get a tablet. I have always loved the concept of it and finally have the money to buy one. This will be my first tablet ever. My question is, should i get the normal transformer or the prime? I know the prime is way better but then again if i get the transformer i am saving up 200 dollars, but the prime is so sexy and who wouldn't want quad-core? please help!
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OK, so i have 600 dollars to give my self a nice present, and i think its time to get a tablet. I have always loved the concept of it and finally have the money to buy one. This will be my first tablet ever. My question is, should i get the normal transformer or the prime? I know the prime is way better but then again if i get the transformer i am saving up 200 dollars, but the prime is so sexy and who wouldn't want quad-core? please help!
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What answer do you expect from a sub-forum full of people wanting the Prime?
Get the Prime if you have the money to spend.
I sold my transformer to get a prime. Go for it. If you are spending a bunch of money, might as well get the latest and greatest which won't get outdated as quick as the older model.
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I have to suggest the Prime. Not only do I love mine, it's much more future-proof. With Tegra-3 graphics being as awesome as they are, I'm sure more and more games will be made for them. Of course, as happened with Tegra 2, most phones will end up with it, and eventually a large part of the Android community will have a Tegra 3 device. At that point, support for Tegra 2 will slowly dwindle as people want bigger and prettier games. Getting a Tegra 3 device now will guarantee you can enjoy every software title, at least until something bigger and badder comes out, like Tegra 4, which we can only speculate a release for. Safe to assume Tegra 3 will keep you in the loop for quite a while, though.
Plus, the Prime is sexy. Really sexy.
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OK, so i have 600 dollars to give my self a nice present, and i think its time to get a tablet. I have always loved the concept of it and finally have the money to buy one. This will be my first tablet ever. My question is, should i get the normal transformer or the prime? I know the prime is way better but then again if i get the transformer i am saving up 200 dollars, but the prime is so sexy and who wouldn't want quad-core? please help!
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At this point, anyone buying a new Wi-Fi tablet should get the Prime. With ICS coming out and higher performance chips you'll start to see applications introduced and optimized for it that won't run or will run poorly on older devices. The only question you should ask yourself is it worth waiting to see the timing and availibility of new tablets announced at CES on January 11th.
I think you should donate it to your favorite charity, or the nearest soup kitchen. The best present is one that helps someone in need...
..and if you believe that...
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I think you should donate it to your favorite charity, or the nearest soup kitchen. The best present is one that helps someone in need...
..and if you believe that...
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Thats a very beautiful Asian woman!
To op, get the 32gb prime n you still have about $100 left over. its more than worth it.
I really debated this for myself as well. I wasn't sure i liked the colors or the thinness of the Prime while I held the tf101. I ended up with the TFP and when I opened the box I was more than pleased but still not 100% sure about the Prime. That was Wednesday. Now after a few days with this thing I could not be happier. I have barely set it down. My laptop spends its days and nights silently weeping in the corner or being consoled by my non-tablet-owning wife.
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>Thats a very beautiful Asian woman!
Not really. You're looking at make-up, good lighting, and a lot of 'shop.
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>Thats a very beautiful Asian woman!
Not really. You're looking at make-up, good lighting, and a lot of 'shop.
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ah man, you got me laughing! Good one
hah
Lmao, thanks for the laugh anyways, i think i have made up my mind. The prime it is! and yes! actually ive donated some money and food i love giving! MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!
Not sure if it was posted before, if it was my apologies, if not, enjoy the always funny ASUS CEO playing a somehow trimmed version of Steve Jobs presentations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r_RqSYxTwE&feature=youtu.be
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great video. I love his enthusiasm when he announces the products..lol. so according to video, Prime owners are "Mobile Tech Trendsetters". I like it. also clearly shown Asus plans on supporting prime and has no intentions of discontinuing it. With Prime and new tablets, they said they have devices for all market segments. very good news for prime owners. Don't let the hate or negative bashing make you think Prime being discontinued. PRIME IS HERE TO STAY. people don't know what da hell they talking about I really like that Padaphone. really cool how you just slide it into the back of that tablet and transforms from a phone into a tablet. plus it won CES 2012 BEST innovation of the year award. Asus is becoming the 1st. of alot of things tech wise in the tablet world. Asus playing hardball in 2012. very glad to own a Prime.
also for those thinkn the re-branding or name change means phaseout of Prime, video shows you're mistaken. Transformer Prime is now called the TRANSFORMER PAD PRIME" wow big deal..lol. we here to stay!
here is the video:
Shih dude is a character. I see he has practiced his vocal cadence, but the over-the-top delivery combined with his heavy accent makes it a bit hilarious. Probably intentional. He's like an Asian Charlie Chaplin.
The new line (incl TP700) is slated for Q2, so a spring release. Prime still has 2-3 months of limelight for those who care about such things. BTW, Prime is noted as for "mobile tech trendsetters" in the presentation. In the press release, the first sentence describing the Prime says "designed for early adopters." May explain why availability is limited. Well, that, and selling toys right after Xmas is never a good idea.
No mention of everybody's fav, the $250 7" 370T. Would assume then that it won't make spring launch. Would make sense for 2H, since Teg3 would drop more in price by then, to be fitted into a "value" device.
Not much to say about the PadPhone, which occupied half of the entire presentation. Well, two things to say: it's actually a 3-in-1 (phone/tablet/laptop) now with inclusion of keyboard dock, and the stylus/headset combo is pretty cool--at least until you lose it.
We'll see how the hype pans out in reality. Call me a sceptic. Should know by April, its announced launch date.
Overall, have to give Asus props as trying to innovate, which is more than I can say for the rest of the other PC manufacturers. Need to pay more attention to fit-and-finish issues, though.
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also clearly shown Asus plans on supporting prime and has no intentions of discontinuing it.
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Not to piss in anyone's Cheerios or speculate the future, but you really need to take what manufacturers say publically with a grain of salt. It's accurate, but only at the moment it's literally said.
Here's a good example. Asus announced a TF101 3G model last spring. They posted a web page for it in August that's still up. Reporters got review samples in the fall. It was never released.
Asus Eee Pad Transformer 3G Price & Release Dates Confirmed
by Darcy LaCouvee on Aug 02, 2011
The current best selling Android Honeycomb tablet in the world, the Asus Eee Pad Transformer, has just received the formal treatment, courtesy of Asus. As of a few hours ago, they’ve taken the liberty of putting up an official product page, which is virtually identical to the one of the Wi-Fi only variant, but with one small, important detail. 3G.
According to NetbookNews and NotebookItalia, both of whom we have a lot of love for, the Asus Eee Pad Transformer 3G will be going on sale in Europe for 499 Euros for the 16GB version, and for 599 Euros for he 32GB.which sports a TF101G model number).
Another important thing to note is that Asus has altered the battery time of the Eee Pad Transformer TF101G (with keyboard dock) to be only 14.5 hours, versus the 16 hours of its non-3G brother. According to our sources, we can expect to see these go on sale in Europe first towards the end of August, with the US and Canada to follow shortly thereafter. There’s no word yet whether any of the major carriers will be picking any of these up, but we expect at least one of them to. Either way, expect the 16GB 3G Transformer to go for $499, and for the 32GB to go for $599.
http://www.androidauthority.com/asus-eee-pad-transformer-3g-price-release-dates-confirmed-20496/
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I agree emote. as long as they tighten down their QC issues, Asus is the company to beat, for Android, for 2012 and beyond.
but WTF, I didn't know it had a stylus headset. blew me away when he had the padaphone in the tablet, then the phone starting ringing. so he answered the phone with his Zulus..lmfao WTF! SMH caught me way off guard with that one. you can hear the crowd gasping with Amazement. Damn, I would love to have that 3-1 setup. from Phone to Tablet to Notebook. it has me rethinking my galaxy note future purchase now. I wonder if the phone will come with at least the tablet display. if so how much? then would the tf-201 dock be compatible or is this yet another separate dock needed?
I'm sure Asus is going to be star of MWC. the have some? !#& for ya..lol but dang Asus, you really need to take care of Prime issues some having. Don't let this taint all these new great devices you bringing out.
I must admit, at first I didn't think much of the phone. didn't know or cared for details on it. but now after seeing this video, I think I gotta have one..lol I wonder does the tablet have its own separate memory storage or uses the phone storage only. does display have any other ports on it? man, this is crazy! this completely destroys what Motorola tried to do with the Atrix.
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BarryH_GEG said:
Not to piss in anyone's Cheerios or speculate the future, but you really need to take what manufacturers say publically with a grain of salt. It's accurate, but only at the moment it's literally said.
Here's a good example. Asus announced a TF101 3G model last spring. They posted a web page for it in August that's still up. Reporters got review samples in the fall. It was never released.
Asus Eee Pad Transformer 3G Price & Release Dates Confirmed
by Darcy LaCouvee on Aug 02, 2011
The current best selling Android Honeycomb tablet in the world, the Asus Eee Pad Transformer, has just received the formal treatment, courtesy of Asus. As of a few hours ago, they’ve taken the liberty of putting up an official product page, which is virtually identical to the one of the Wi-Fi only variant, but with one small, important detail. 3G.
According to NetbookNews and NotebookItalia, both of whom we have a lot of love for, the Asus Eee Pad Transformer 3G will be going on sale in Europe for 499 Euros for the 16GB version, and for 599 Euros for he 32GB.which sports a TF101G model number).
Another important thing to note is that Asus has altered the battery time of the Eee Pad Transformer TF101G (with keyboard dock) to be only 14.5 hours, versus the 16 hours of its non-3G brother. According to our sources, we can expect to see these go on sale in Europe first towards the end of August, with the US and Canada to follow shortly thereafter. There’s no word yet whether any of the major carriers will be picking any of these up, but we expect at least one of them to. Either way, expect the 16GB 3G Transformer to go for $499, and for the 32GB to go for $599.
http://www.androidauthority.com/asus-eee-pad-transformer-3g-price-release-dates-confirmed-20496/
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fair enough point. but here's the kicker and the difference, PRIME IS ALREADY OUT NOW and still selling. more n more new people joining this section of forum daily. we here to stay buddy. we won't fall for the Doomsday hype. until that day comes, or the fat lady sings, we not trying to hear it. We stay Optimistic not Pessimistic!
REGARDLESS Asus stole the MWC show with the Padaphone.
I think he did a great job, it's hard to speak in front of people like that, and his enthusiasm comes through. Well done.
demandarin said:
fair enough point. but here's the kicker and the difference, PRIME IS ALREADY OUT NOW and still selling. more n more new people joining this section of forum daily. we here to stay buddy. we won't fall for the Doomsday hype. until that day comes, or the fat lady sings, we not trying to hear it. We stay Optimistic not Pessimistic!
REGARDLESS Asus stole the MWC show with the Padaphone.
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This is XDA. You want to be objective... not optimistic or pessimistic.
Anyways, MWC as a whole is nothing but disappointment so far. Honestly, I'm not sure how Padaphone stole the show when HTC ONE X is getting the most buzz....
But yea.. MWC so far.. is boring & makes you wonder why they even have the event. Apple's March event is getting more press/media coverage.... =/
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/27/hasbro-asus-transformer-prime-lawsuit/
Official barring any last minute appeals.......
Hasbro got what they really wanted, which was to show defense of the trademark should future entities try and hijack their branding.
I read the materials, and it looks like this was just a preliminary judgment against the ban. The case is still headed to trial (although this precedent would make it seem unlikely Hasbro will win)...
wynand32 said:
I read the materials, and it looks like this was just a preliminary judgment against the ban. The case is still headed to trial (although this precedent would make it seem unlikely Hasbro will win)...
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Came here to post this ^
The decision here was for a preliminary injunction on the sales of the TFPrime. This is different than a full decision of trademark infringements on the merits, and instead, the prelim injunction is usually the first step of any IP litigation.
Here, Hasbro would have to prove irreparable harm as well as a likelihood of success on the merits (and public interest, lack of defendants' harm, blah blah), so winning on this front doesn't necessarily guarantee winning on an infringement suit.
However, for those of you paying attention, as I said, one of the key elements for an injunction is "likelihood of success on the merits," so a win here on the prelim injunction stage is a strong signal from the judge that he is likely to be skeptical on the infringement claims as well (as the likelihood of success is not that high).
The saddest thing to come out of that ruling were the Asus Transformer Prime sales numbers:
"So when court filings reveal that pre-orders for this poster child for Android 4 tablets (and it does look great) total a whopping 2000 units as of a month ago, it’s kind of a letdown. That and 80,000 going to retailers worldwide make the device seem rather minor even in comparison to other Android products like the Nook Color and Kindle Fire. Is there a space for “premium” Android devices running just plain Android? The market seems smaller than big players like Asus would like to believe — or at least it is not growing as quickly as they expected."
The whole article can be found here http://techcrunch.com/2012/03/27/ju...rk-and-asus-reveals-embarrassing-sales-stats/
josue85 said:
The saddest thing to come out of that ruling were the Asus Transformer Prime sales numbers:
"So when court filings reveal that pre-orders for this poster child for Android 4 tablets (and it does look great) total a whopping 2000 units as of a month ago, it’s kind of a letdown. That and 80,000 going to retailers worldwide make the device seem rather minor even in comparison to other Android products like the Nook Color and Kindle Fire. Is there a space for “premium” Android devices running just plain Android? The market seems smaller than big players like Asus would like to believe — or at least it is not growing as quickly as they expected."
The whole article can be found here http://techcrunch.com/2012/03/27/ju...rk-and-asus-reveals-embarrassing-sales-stats/
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Not really. Also saw those numbers weren't totally accurate. It is strange though. The small numbers they did produce sold out though. So Asus has their own reasons for not mainstreaming it yet. OG transformer was produced in small numbers at first also. Which lead to same shortage situation like prime. Leading it to be hard to find. More than likely production issues. It still holds title of most powerful android tablet. So production will be kicked up soon once whoever producing their tablets gets things straightened out.
Plus I like having the most powerful Android device which everyone can't get their hands on. If i wanted a device everyone and their mom's has, I would've just bought the new Ipad or an ipad2. With a bunch of new tegra3 devices about to drop, tegra3 support and optimized apps/games will only continue to grow.
I like the Exclusivity of it.
josue85 said:
The saddest thing to come out of that ruling were the Asus Transformer Prime sales numbers:
"So when court filings reveal that pre-orders for this poster child for Android 4 tablets (and it does look great) total a whopping 2000 units as of a month ago, it’s kind of a letdown. That and 80,000 going to retailers worldwide make the device seem rather minor even in comparison to other Android products like the Nook Color and Kindle Fire. Is there a space for “premium” Android devices running just plain Android? The market seems smaller than big players like Asus would like to believe — or at least it is not growing as quickly as they expected."
The whole article can be found here http://techcrunch.com/2012/03/27/ju...rk-and-asus-reveals-embarrassing-sales-stats/
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Here's the quote from the original source:
The order also reveals that the Transformer Prime is, for now, no iPad: “as of February 24, 2012, it had received over 2,000 pre-orders ... and that retailer fulfillment orders for the next two months total approximately 80,000 tablet computers.”
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That "2000 pre-orders" number is a bit wacky, if only considering the word "pre-order." Why are we talking about pre-orders in February? Unless they mean merely "orders," and misspoke--but even then, 2,000 seems a mighty low number at this point.
Now, 80,000 for "the next two months," or March and April, seems more reasonable (if a bit lower than I'd have expected), and that says nothing about how many have already sold (and yes, every one that's shipped has sold through which is a good thing for ASUS). I'd say that if this number is accurate, we could be somewhere in the range of 150-250K units sold by the summer. And, as we all know here on XDA, the Prime has been severely supply-constrained--there are absolutely ZERO units sitting unsold in anybody's inventory. Who knows how many could have been sold if ASUS had been able to meet supply?
Those aren't iPad numbers, but they're reasonable given all of the issues surrounding the Prime's launch. And, no tablet HAS TO sell at iPad levels to be successful for a given company. If ASUS recoups their investment and makes some profit on the product, then it can be considered a success. NOBODY will achieve iPad numbers anytime soon, if ever. It's a freaking consumer products phenomenon. But I see Android tablet makers selling enough to stay in the market, which will spell some success in the long-term.
I think Demandarin is right: Retail fulfillment numbers are low because retailers have none in stock. Go look now: No big box stores have the damn thing, and if they do, it's sporadic at best.
I wish I had more information on the production numbers, and why they're so low...it sells out everywhere when it comes into stock, there's simply no reason for Asus to not meet the high demand with greater supply unless:
1. There's a manufacturing problem.
2. Margin on the unit just isn't panning out.
2. Asus wants to move to the TF700 platform as soon as possible for reasons of greater margin, less returns/support, competition in the market, or some other Asus-will-never-tell-us reason.
Probably why the rebranding of the TF300 and TF700. If they phase out the Transformer Prime wouldnt the lawsuit be over?
demandarin said:
Not really. Also saw those numbers weren't totally accurate. It is strange though. The small numbers they did produce sold out though. So Asus has their own reasons for not mainstreaming it yet. OG transformer was produced in small numbers at first also. Which lead to same shortage situation like prime. Leading it to be hard to find. More than likely production issues. It still holds title of most powerful android tablet. So production will be kicked up soon once whoever producing their tablets gets things straightened out.
Plus I like having the most powerful Android device which everyone can't get their hands on. If i wanted a device everyone and their mom's has, I would've just bought the new Ipad or an ipad2. With a bunch of new tegra3 devices about to drop, tegra3 support and optimized apps/games will only continue to grow.
I like the Exclusivity of it.
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EGGS ACTLY
Proud Owner of a Transformer Prime on Tapatalk
I'm guessing ASUS is going to come out with the ASUS Optimized Transformer Prime next just to screw with Hasbro?
The Prime has also in a sense been rebranded, perhaps due in part to endevoring to head off Hasbro at the pass just in case the ruling may have gone against them (- it did seem unlikely, but you can never tell how judges will respond). During the announcements for the 300 series and Infinity models, slides referred to the Prime as the Asus transformer pad Prime. So 'Transformer Pad' encompasses their complete range of Android hybrid-tablet models.
Robert
About the "2000" in sales number. Someone is not entirely telling the truth then.
Either ASUS is lying about the sales figures, or ASUS is lying about the RMA return figures...
Somewhere there was a (official?) statistic, I believe by Gary, about the return of faulty primes, and the total returns was less than 1%.
1% of 2000 = 20 primes...
Well, according to what I have read here, the total number of returns must have been bigger...
So, either the sales figure is total crap, or the 1% return figure is total crap...
My $0.02...
Update:
CNET: What percentage of Transformer Primes have been returned, citing one or more of these issues as the reason?
GK: As of February 6, the top three problems discussed in the first question were also the top three reasons for returns or replacements. The majority of customer returns were due to the removal of the GPS specification from the unit or poor GPS performance in general. We continually feed failure analysis information from our service group back to the engineering and manufacturing teams to ensure any problems are identified and fixed as quickly as possible.
Top three customer complaints for RMA/returns
Symptom Worldwide fail rate
a. 'Serial number not found' 0.07 percent
b. Wi-Fi/BT/GPS performance 0.57 percent
c. Random lock/reboot 0.15 percent
Breakout of Wi-Fi/BT/GPS performance complaints for RMA/returns
Symptom (Wi-Fi/BT/GPS) Worldwide fail rate
a. Wi-Fi/BT dropout 0.03 percent
b. Wi-Fi dropout/performance 0.04 percent
c. Wi-Fi/GPS performance/return for GPS spec removal 0.51 percent
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I would expect asus more likely to lie on an internet forum than in court documents.
RemyW said:
About the "2000" in sales number. Someone is not entirely telling the truth then.
Either ASUS is lying about the sales figures, or ASUS is lying about the RMA return figures...
Somewhere there was a (official?) statistic, I believe by Gary, about the return of faulty primes, and the total returns was less than 1%.
1% of 2000 = 20 primes...
Well, according to what I have read here, the total number of returns must have been bigger...
So, either the sales figure is total crap, or the 1% return figure is total crap...
My $0.02...
Update:
news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57373634-94/putting-the-transformer-prime-in-perspective/
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those court documents aren't even complete. doesn't even show how Any tablets were sold already after pre-orders and before that month or so they showed.
end conclusion: court documents doesn't show completely how many "TOTAL" were sold. months of sales are missing.
It's 2,000 that have given credit card info and absolutely have ordered between 01/07 and 02/25 (discovery summons to oral arguments, date of filing was 12/16, and 12/21 for 21 day summons). The 80,000 do refer to the 2 months after oral arguments but it refers to the vendors and parts suppliers being hurt not paying end-users per the judge agreeing.
None of the what is said in the court case reflects actual numbers from launch to now.