Hi Fellas,
I've been looking around and have been unable to find some definitive answers with regards to the LACK of NFC in the UK Galaxy SII, some places list it as included (though my battery isnt one of those...)
I've been reading into it and understand the NFC chip is actually built into the battery... is this correct? and if so surely before long you'll be able to just purchase a NFC enabled battery, slap that bad boy in and get Beaming...!
is this possible? thoughts?
Unless there are connectors between the battery and the inside of the phone (that arent for charging), how will it connect? it will just be a chip in a battery..
yeah that was a thought I had Im not basing my view on any real evidence, just opinions I've read on various forums that it is built into the battery! twas just a thought tbh as I'm a smidge disappointed at the lack of NFC as it seems a neat feature and a number of business I use locally support it already!
The NFC antenna is in the battery package, but the actual NFC chip lives deep in the phone.
(so no, changing the battery won't give you NFC on an i9100
stuclark said:
The NFC antenna is in the battery package, but the actual NFC chip lives deep in the phone.
(so no, changing the battery won't give you NFC on an i9100
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Heard somewhere that New sim Cards will come with NFC capabalities so probably most phones might get it when it goes main stream in UK
Rumour was Orange were trialling it or something
There apparently is an NFC chip (PN544) within the phone - at one point Pulser was able to actually get it to accept a firmware load.
It didn't do anything beyond that though - attempting to enable NFC in Settings would cause it to just hang there.
Not sure what would happen if someone put an NFC-enabled battery in the I9100. (The I777 has NFC hardware but AT&T disabled it in software - we've been able to re-enable it though, minus Google Wallet support)
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Well I picked up my phone sim free from Phones4U today (Portsmouth and they had a few in stock). Very nice indeed... However I have noticed what appears to be an unused connector at the rear of the phone. Could this be a connector to for the future NFS aerial? Or am I completely off the page. Apologies if I am.
Cheers,
Ganza
All galaxy s phones ive seen including my vibrant and nexus s have this
Its a connection for external GPS antenna
http://www.google.com/m/search?site=images&source=mog&gl=us&q=external gps connector#p=1
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Aah, thanks for clearing that up.
I'm a noob here. What is this 'NFS' people are getting excited about?
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I'm a noob here. What is this 'NFS' people are getting excited about?
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Need For Speed maybe. The other thing people are "excited" about is NFC... Near Field Communication
NFC is basically a technology that allows your phone to obtain data from something simply by being in close proximity with it. With NFC you can get location data from tags or even transform your phone into a credit card. It's not being implemented in many places at the moment though so getting NFC now is just for the sake of future proofing your phone.
Sounds good, thanks Virtue.
Looks like a mmcx connector. Probably at test port for QA at the factory.
We have previously used these QA ports (on other phone models) for connecting external cellular antennas to use commercial phones for network drive testing.
Unfortunately the mmcx connections are pretty fragile and do not withstand much usage by the "gorillas" we use for data gathering
Hi Guys,
First post here so I could'nt post in the relevent thread. It has been noticed that there is a switch on the Tablet S PCB that apparently disconnects the battery, I've opened up many devices over the years and have never seen that before - very strange if you ask me. Might be of interest to some to note that the Sony PSP used an anti hacking method that utilised the battery !!, so we may be on to something here.
On PSP a hacked battery is called "pandora battery". It is not a switch. The battery has four contacts. Two of them are the voltage contacts plus and minus and two of them send a serial signal code. With the right code, the PSP boot in a special (hidden) recovery menu. Do you have more information about the tablet battery and the switch? Pictures available?
Wouldn't the relevant thread be the ones you found out about on it?
original discovery of switch here (with pictures)
Then I brought it up in the dev thread about APX mode here
And yes it exists... can confirm it's there (at least on my 16gb model anyway)
My thoughts are is that there would be a factory cable used here (similar to the motorola factory cable) and they need to disconnect the battery for it to function as it should.
And a hunch that it could very well have something to do with APX mode, however... since people have stumbled into APX mode completely by accident with no hardware commands, that kind of contradicts that thought.
I don't have any info on the battery or the switch, I was just pointing out the strangeness of having a switch to disconnect the battery, nothing else I have ever looked at has this feature. (and I've opened up a lot of devices)
It just makes me think that there is a need to easily and repeatedly disconnect the battery during the manufacturing / assembly / repair process.
For example, does the system "know" when the battery has been disconnected and allow different operations ? - fastboot perhaps ?
I know this is all supposition and it may mean nothing at all - but the feature is bugging me - it cost money to implement and I can't help but feel it's there for a reason.
System woiuld'nt let me reply in thread I was reading - said dev section was for expert users only ??
obicom said:
On PSP a hacked battery is called "pandora battery". It is not a switch. The battery has four contacts. Two of them are the voltage contacts plus and minus and two of them send a serial signal code. With the right code, the PSP boot in a special (hidden) recovery menu. Do you have more information about the tablet battery and the switch? Pictures available?
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I thought of this too but then went on to think that there's probably no way such a thing would transfer accross do android/unix codes like that. ie they use android kernels and stuff, they don't make the whole thing themselves. Plus they realised the vulnerability of it and removed it in models like the psp 3000 and go (not sure about 2000).
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I thought of this too but then went on to think that there's probably no way such a thing would transfer accross do android/unix codes like that. ie they use android kernels and stuff, they don't make the whole thing themselves. Plus they realised the vulnerability of it and removed it in models like the psp 3000 and go (not sure about 2000).
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Early PSP-2000 models still had the vulnerability.
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I thought of this too but then went on to think that there's probably no way such a thing would transfer accross do android/unix codes like that. ie they use android kernels and stuff, they don't make the whole thing themselves. Plus they realised the vulnerability of it and removed it in models like the psp 3000 and go (not sure about 2000).
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You're actually pretty close, I think. Android would be perfectly capable of receiving certain boot codes, but these are far more likely to be wired to the more capable micro-USB port as in just about every other Android device. While an Android kernel could theoretically receive serial codes from almost anywhere given the right instructions, Sony would probably not do this. As mentioned, the PSP's ability in this regard caused many problems.
As mentioned by the others, if someone could post some good hi-res shots of the battery and surrounding PCB or something like that, that would make it much easier.
Sony's philosophy has always been that the end user should use the product as it was built and the purpose it was built for.
They've always made hacking and rooting very difficult for users. They don't like their products being tampered with.
I can understand where they are coming from, but at the end of the day, with many phones and tablets, if root techniques and mods aren't available, many users won't buy the goods.
All PSP models, including the 3000 series, excluding the go have been cracked.
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pandora battery worked for psp 1000 and psp 2000 before the TA-088 V3 motherboard, all the next models where hacked by firmware homebrew enabler, but not by battery mod..
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All PSP models, including the 3000 series, excluding the go have been cracked.
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Just to clear things up, what works on the PSP will not, generally speaking, work on the Tablet S. They are different hardware, with different interfaces to different firmware which runs completely different software.
If we can get a look at the PCB in closer detail where the battery connects we might be able to see if there are any serial pins, but I doubt there will be. No other Sony product since has featured it (to my knowledge).
I may be getting the S3, and I know it has NFC, but what can NFC do?
I understand that it can do this beam stuff, but I won't use that really. Do you need these little discs to make NFC work as you get with the Sony Xperia?
Can you buy any NFC disc and use it for what? are the discs for specific purposes? What do people who have NFC use it for now please? in day to day stuff?
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I may be getting the S3, and I know it has NFC, but what can NFC do?
I understand that it can do this beam stuff, but I won't use that really. Do you need these little discs to make NFC work as you get with the Sony Xperia?
Can you buy any NFC disc and use it for what? are the discs for specific purposes? What do people who have NFC use it for now please? in day to day stuff?
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NFC is basically a low-range, low-power(It draws power from the RF-field made by the phone) and low-storage device. So NFC can be used to transmit and/or store small bits of information.
It can be used for a lot of stuff, such as the Google Wallet contactless payment system, where you can basically pay by using your phone, however this system isn't live in many places yet, officially only the US i believe.
It can also be used together with nfc stickers or disks where you can program them to do specific stuff (Like go into car mode) when you touch them.
Those stickers and disks can also be programmed to contain contact information and other stuff like that.
Lastly it can be used to transfer small bits of information between NFC-enabled phones, and if both people have something like S-Beam that pretty much just establishes a WiFi-Drect link, then you can also transfer much bigger files by using NFC to establish the connection but Wifi to transfer the files.
The sort of thing I was hoping was for eg if I have one if these stickers in my car I.could get it to switch on Bluetooth, put phone into car mode (if there is one), switch on S-voice so can just ask instructions rather than press a button to wake 1st (not sure if S-voice works like this?)
I could then have another sticker on door panel or something to do the opposite when leaving the car. Is this possible?
Where do you get the stickers from? How do you program them?
Any other yes sorry from contactless payments (I'm in UK) or S-beam?
Thanks
Basicly, Sony came up with the idea, so it's not standard in Android nor TouchWiz. There might be developers and stuff who sells the NFC tags and have the same use as the tags from Sony.
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put phone into car mode (if there is one)
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Basicly, the idea behind car mode is that you put in what you think is needed for in the car (for instance, WIFI off, 3G on, BlueTooth on, Radio on, email off etc).
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The sort of thing I was hoping was for eg if I have one if these stickers in my car I.could get it to switch on Bluetooth, put phone into car mode (if there is one), switch on S-voice so can just ask instructions rather than press a button to wake 1st (not sure if S-voice works like this?)
I could then have another sticker on door panel or something to do the opposite when leaving the car. Is this possible?
Where do you get the stickers from? How do you program them?
Any other yes sorry from contactless payments (I'm in UK) or S-beam?
Thanks
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You can program the stickers with a NFC writer, there's apps on the Google Play store that can do it: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nxp.nfc.tagwriter
As for the tasks, like the car one, you have to use a third party application to write and read those tags, but i've heard this app does it pretty well: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jwsoft.nfcactionlauncher
As for where you can buy them, Sony (Ericsson) have made some keychain tags that you can buy in retail, otherwise there are also different types of tags like stickers, creditcards, keyfobs, etc. that you can get from here: http://www.rfidshop.com/nfc-tags-74-c.asp
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Basicly, Sony came up with the idea, so it's not standard in Android nor TouchWiz. There might be developers and stuff who sells the NFC tags and have the same use as the tags from Sony.
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What idea? NFC or performing tasks by scanning tags? Because they came up with neither, they simply were the first to commercialize it.
I'll try to link it later but there's a thread on this in GNex forums. You can do hella cool things! I'll find the link soon.
Keep it Classy, Cali.
@ Alice
That's what I'm talking bout.
Keep it Classy, Cali.
Wow - I am utterly impressed. I thought NFC could only be used for contactless payment. I need to get me some of these - quickly!
Thanks for links. Contactless payment may be handy if it's rolled out, but the other uses interest me more.
If I get one I would definitely want a "car mode" one.
There is Pay Pass Locator, that accepts Google Wallet.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mastercard.paypass
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I had originally thought that the nfc was worthless to me because my phones are always rooted but I can see having followed the links I need to rethink that.
Would be cool if it could also be an NFC tag (with a learning mode). Then you will be able to open office doors with your phone and stuff like that. (or is that only possible with RFID )
Is there any good web sites to detail better uses, ie good profiles to use etc?
I would have thought Sony Mobile would have had some good ideas, pages if there selling there tags with the Xperia S. Do those tags come pre-programmed for some usr already?
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Would be cool if it could also be an NFC tag (with a learning mode). Then you will be able to open office doors with your phone and stuff like that. (or is that only possible with RFID )
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Yeah there's a variety of ways it can be done, there are different types of RFID technology.
It's possible that it's based on NFC, but even then it's not nessecary using the NDEF format. We have a card that we can use to pay for public transporation, it is based on NFC, but it's not formatted in a way that the phone can understand.
It's important to remember that not all NFC chips are equal. There storage space, range and security can vary. There's a neat little table here that explains the different spec of each.
They also sell NFC chips, stickers, cards, fobs etc. They will also pre-encode them and do custom printing on them. Well worth a look IMO.
I know I'm "new", but I've actually lurked these forums many a time. I was around to pick up the first official Bell SGS2 ICS ROM back at the end of 2011, and I just finished installing NeatROM 4.0 for SGS2 (that one thread on Google if you search it up); it's INSANELY awesome.
The one problem I have right now is my inability to use NFC.
I know NFC did not ship with the "UK" and "international" SGS2s (beginning of the run); especially those that came with the Bell Canada's SGS2 run (at the very start - got my phone in July of 2011).
I wanted to know how hard it would be to install an NFC chip into this phone.
While I'm Canadian pure and simple, I'm interning in the US and would like the ability to use NFC to pay for things via Google Wallet (I've actually been hyped up since it's launch in the US and several other countries).
Please let me know how this can be done, if it can be done - I've Google'd and a bunch of other methods, but all I get is useless specification pages about the SGS2. I figured this was possible since the later versions of the AT&T and T-Mobile SGS2 phones shipped with NFC, and they were essentially the exact same hardware + NFC chip.
I don't believe my phone already has it (I've Google'd how to "enable" it, but Z-Device Test doesn't show NFC, and I believe it).
I rooted the phone already, etc... I can usually find my way around as long as someone gives me a good start. What major parts would I need to purchase to make this possible?
Thanks in advance for the help.
There are micro sd cards with nfc in them being developed
Hey guys, I was looking to get a new phone, and the ONLY thing holding me back is the fact that it does not have nfc built in. This is real dealbreaker for me, as nfc is a huge part of my life. I was wondering if there was a way to nfc enable a phone that doesn't have nfc built in. If someone knows of a way, please let me know. Also, I can easily get nfc tags that aren't affected by battery radio interference, but I haven't found a way to use this for file transfer and android beam.
I know a thread like this was created in 2012, to no avail, but I was hoping times have changed, as nfc is becoming more and more popular these days.
Thanks in advance to anyone that helps me!!!
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Hey guys, I was looking to get a new phone, and the ONLY thing holding me back is the fact that it does not have nfc built in. This is real dealbreaker for me, as nfc is a huge part of my life. I was wondering if there was a way to nfc enable a phone that doesn't have nfc built in. If someone knows of a way, please let me know. Also, I can easily get nfc tags that aren't affected by battery radio interference, but I haven't found a way to use this for file transfer and android beam.
I know a thread like this was created in 2012, to no avail, but I was hoping times have changed, as nfc is becoming more and more popular these days.
Thanks in advance to anyone that helps me!!!
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nfc will not work on a phone that doesn't have it as far as i know bc it is lacking hardware
No.
No. They are soldered on to the board. You cannot even Upgrade things like RAM, Internal memory on a phone (as of now).
DaveMaster81 said:
Hey guys, I was looking to get a new phone, and the ONLY thing holding me back is the fact that it does not have nfc built in. This is real dealbreaker for me, as nfc is a huge part of my life. I was wondering if there was a way to nfc enable a phone that doesn't have nfc built in. If someone knows of a way, please let me know. Also, I can easily get nfc tags that aren't affected by battery radio interference, but I haven't found a way to use this for file transfer and android beam.
I know a thread like this was created in 2012, to no avail, but I was hoping times have changed, as nfc is becoming more and more popular these days.
Thanks in advance to anyone that helps me!!!
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The only thing you will get with coding is a NFC button in your toggle screen, but it won't work. The reason is as said by fellow members in the above replies
So if you need a device with NFC feature, please buy a device with it pre built :good: