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Honest question here. I'm having a hard time finding the atrix for less than 600$ considering that i live in Venezuela. Today i have just learned that the Nexus S is coming to at&t (don't know when)
I have seen people on this forum that has the Nexus S and bought the atrix.
Can you try to make an objective review of both devices?
So far, what i know:
-Same size
-Much better screen on the nexus, although with a smaller resolution
-Dual core on the atrix, single core on the nexus, but different processors (samsung makes their own chip)
-Gingerbread on the nexus, froyo on the atrix, although it WILL get the update, but we don't know when.
-Stock home screen on the nexus, blur on the atrix.
-Unlockable bootloader on the nexus, signed on the atrix
-SIM-unlocked on the nexus, at&t locked on the atrix
-Better build quality on the atrix
-Laptop dock, media dock on the atrix (i don't care about them)
-LED light on the atrix, which i like since i am using a blackberry
-Smaller RAM on the nexus, although none wasted for the laptop dock
-Gyroscope on the nexus
-NFC on the nexus
-Bigger battery on the atrix (that doesn't mean it is better than the nexus)
-Slightly better camera on the nexus (no blue/purple tint) for still photos, but not even 720p that is on the atrix
For those that have both, what has been your experience?
you more than likely won't get honest answers here. The nexus S fanboys will come crap on the atrix, teh atrix fans will tell them to F-off and leave, and none will help you.
decide what is important to you in a phone, then see which device fits that list better.
As a long term investment I would pick the Atrix because I'm sure that we will see custom ROMs and the fact that it is dual core probably means it will take more time to get outdated.
Also, while may not be important to everyone in every case, the Nexus S lacks an SD card slot so you're stuck with the 16gb of internal memory.
In my case, that in itself is a deal breaker...
- Much better screen on the nexus, although with a smaller resolution
* This honestly comes down to preference. I love the Atrix screen, it's like night and day coming from a Nexus One. I think the Nexus S' colors are way off for me and I'll be damned if I find a difference between the Atrix and iPhone 4 when looking at them straight and for 99% of common use.
- Gingerbread on the nexus, froyo on the atrix, although it WILL get the update, but we don't know when.
* I don't see the benefits of Gingerbread until version 2.4 (dual core support), so right now, they're equal IMO.
- Stock home screen on the nexus, blur on the atrix.
* Blur isn't that bad, I actually like it. It's no where near as intrusive as HTC Sense or as lame as Samsung TouchWiz. Try it, you'll like it.
- SIM-unlocked on the nexus, at&t locked on the atrix
* I bet it won't be long before unlock codes are available online
- Better build quality on the atrix
* No arguing that.
- Laptop dock, media dock on the atrix (i don't care about them)
* Meh, they're a gimmick IMO
- LED light on the atrix, which i like since i am using a blackberry
* Once you get used to it, there is no going back.
- Gyroscope on the nexus
* Android isn't known for gaming, so I fail to see the need for one
- NFC on the nexus
* Until 2015 (sarcasm) where it's adopted by everyone, it's a gimmick
- Bigger battery on the atrix (that doesn't mean it is better than the nexus)
* No, it's better.
- Slightly better camera on the nexus (no blue/purple tint) for still photos, but not even 720p that is on the atrix
* Excuse us, that would 1080p on the Atrix, soon at least
spielnicht said:
- Gingerbread on the nexus, froyo on the atrix, although it WILL get the update, but we don't know when.
* I don't see the benefits of Gingerbread until version 2.4 (dual core support), so right now, they're equal IMO.
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for the last time, the froyo build on the atrix supports multi-core. It's all the apps that need to be re-written to make use of it. Even the ones that don't are still seeing a 1Ghz processor, which is on par with the rest of the smart phone world.
Dude your starting a flame war there both top end devices you can't go wrong with any pick Done.
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Sounds to me like you've already got your mind made up, go ahead and get that Nexus.
Thanks for correcting me, somehow I missed that bit of information.
So there you have it, aside from the improved power management and maybe SIP, we don't get that much "new" stuff over Froyo. Granted, I wish we did have that fancy copy-n-paste. Why am I reminded of Apple all of a sudden?
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for the last time, the froyo build on the atrix supports multi-core. It's all the apps that need to be re-written to make use of it. Even the ones that don't are still seeing a 1Ghz processor, which is on par with the rest of the smart phone world.
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Whatever you pick will be top end if you like to hack and want updates and the best viewing screen or want to do hard core games in the near future witch android is on the rise each day with games from ios then you want nexus s and its gyroscope.But if you don't care to flash and hack but wanna try out the first DC phone and all it brings in its young stage along with a laptop terminal go Atrix or you can just buy the new redfly witch is the same thing and works on any Android device like the atrix Doc but again you can't go wrong
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Unless you're not really a big fan of racing games or those marble labyrinth-type games.... at which point the idea of the gyroscope is even more pointless.
elementaldragon said:
Unless you're not really a big fan of racing games or those marble labyrinth-type games.... at which point the idea of the gyroscope is even more pointless.
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I don't know what the obsession people have the gyroscope is - no other phones have it at this point except the iPhone 4. The Atrix has a motion sensor which is a MEMS chip similar to whats in PS3 controllers, PS3 Move controllers, the Wii, etc. The phone is plenty able to support motion gaming just as all previous Android phones have been assuming they've been powerful enough in the processor / RAM department to do so.
I'm actually very interested in the Nexus S vs Atrix 4G debate.
Here's why I am reluctant to get the Atrix 4G, please try to refute these points:
1) Froyo/Blur: It won't get Ice Cream before Christmas. Ditto for Gtalk video chat which is quite important for me.
2) The locked/signed/encrypted Bootloader issue: The Atrix might never get custom ROMs. If it ever does, it will take forever for hackers to make Ice Cream dual-core optimized, then Tegra 2 optimized....etc.
3) PenTile LCD: Sure the NS is PenTile too, but Super AMOLED makes up for that with insane contrasts.
4) Camera: Produced images seemed a bit underwhelming.
Here's why I want the Atrix 4G:
1) Tegra 2 (although there seems to be little real life benefits to it); won't be outdated soon.
2) 720/1080p recording
3) Excellent build quality, with gimmicks like the fingerprint reader
4) I actually like Motoblur widgets
And here's why I am reluctant to get the Nexus S:
1) No 720p video recording(!)
2) Plastic, cheap case (especially the back)
3) No HSPA+ support
4) Old-gen SoC (although in real life peforms close to a Tegra 2 with Froyo)
And finally, here's why I want the Nexus S:
1) Super AMOLED colors and contrasts look breathtaking
2) Will get Ice Cream, (along with Gtalk video) the moment it's released in May/June -no need to wait months for hackers to optimize it (provided that the bootloader issue is solved)
3) Costs $100-$150 less
So since money is a big deal for me, I'm thinking I'll get Nexus S for the year, and by Christmas 2011, I can get the new Dual-core Nexus (with the new Android) or get a Terga 3 phone, or maybe even a Glasses-free 3D phone....
What do you guys think?
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...with gimmicks like the fingerprint reader
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Trust me when I tell you this is no gimmick, but an extremely useful and valid feature. If you connect to a Corporate Exchange account that requires a PIN, you have no idea how annoying it is to have to type that 6 digit code every time you switch the phone on (thanks 2.2.1 update, sigh). With the biometric sensor...it doesn't require it from you (optional if you want it). If I were to ignore all the great benefits of owning the Atrix and just focus on the sensor...it's enough to justify getting the phone.
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Trust me when I tell you this is no gimmick, but an extremely useful and valid feature. If you connect to a Corporate Exchange account that requires a PIN, you have no idea how annoying it is to have to type that 6 digit code every time you switch the phone on (thanks 2.2.1 update, sigh). With the biometric sensor...it doesn't require it from you (optional if you want it). If I were to ignore all the great benefits of owning the Atrix and just focus on the sensor...it's enough to justify getting the phone.
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I believe you. But what about all the other points (most importantly, Ice Cream)? I've also been reading about all the horribly disappointing Atrix 4G experiences people are having (slugginess, fingerprint reader slow....etc) -check this thread for example:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=965615
TareX said:
I believe you. But what about all the other points (most importantly, Ice Cream)? I've also been reading about all the horribly disappointing Atrix 4G experiences people are having (slugginess, fingerprint reader slow....etc) -check this thread for example:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=965615
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GPS is another reason you don't have listed. GPS on the NS is just as bad as the Captivate/I9k. On the Atrix I got a lock inside a concrete and steel building, which seemed like a miracle to me after my Captivate experience.
People that are happy with their phone don't take the time to post about how great it is.
I'm loving mine so far. I'm not sure that the people who are saying that things are sluggish or slow aren't just making things up to try and make people as miserable as they are.
As for custom roms.... most of the time people clamor to them because the base experience is bad. (e.g. captivate) I haven't seen a need for it yet, especially since we had tethering available out of the box already.
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I believe you. But what about all the other points (most importantly, Ice Cream)? I've also been reading about all the horribly disappointing Atrix 4G experiences people are having (slugginess, fingerprint reader slow....etc) -check this thread for example:
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You also got to realized that this is a forum. People ask questions/complain when something doesnt work. That is why you are seeing all these hate threads to the atrix. Also, the trend these days is to complain when some thing isnt spoon fed to you. I personally love my new atrix and i havent had a single thing become an issue for me.
I personally love the display on the atrix over the nexus s. Reason is because I would rather look at natural colors instead of seeing super saturatured colors. All my other displays use natural colors (computers, tv's).
I also love the finger print reader on this phone. It has worked every time I have used it but then again im not trying to make the thing read a finger swipe thats only .0001 seconds long...
We are all on the same team here, Andriod is much better then Ios and phones will continue to keep being pushed out every 2 months. I would sit the two phones next to each other and pick one that works best for you because two months from now that phone wont be the best anymore.
1) You will more than likely get Ice Cream before Xmas on the Atrix. Rumored to be released this summer so that should give Moto plenty of time to integrate it. With Nexus you are pretty much guaranteed to get the update once available.
2) Moto has stated they are working to allow devs to unlock the bootloader eventually. This is like point 1), the uncertainty of trusting Motorola but I think it will happen, just a matter of when.
3) Personal preference. I prefer the Atrix screen over Nexus S for the most part simply because I need to see my screen outdoors.
4) They are. Not much different than any other Android device out there. However, I installed Camera360 for my phone app which has helped get some great shots.
It might help to really prioritize your needs and see which one stacks up like others have said. For me it was Performance, Battery, Size/Weight, Display, Future relevance, Connectivity, Expandability. Atrix wins on all counts in that respect.
Here's why I am reluctant to get the Atrix 4G, please try to refute these points:
1) Froyo/Blur: It won't get Ice Cream before Christmas. Ditto for Gtalk video chat which is quite important for me.
2) The locked/signed/encrypted Bootloader issue: The Atrix might never get custom ROMs. If it ever does, it will take forever for hackers to make Ice Cream dual-core optimized, then Tegra 2 optimized....etc.
3) PenTile LCD: Sure the NS is PenTile too, but Super AMOLED makes up for that with insane contrasts.
4) Camera: Produced images seemed a bit underwhelming.
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GPS is another reason you don't have listed. GPS on the NS is just as bad as the Captivate/I9k. On the Atrix I got a lock inside a concrete and steel building, which seemed like a miracle to me after my Captivate experience.
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If that were true I wouldn't have considered a Nexus S in the first place; but it seems that the Nexus S doesn't suffer from the Galaxy S series GPS woes....
TareX said:
If that were true I wouldn't have considered a Nexus S in the first place; but it seems that the Nexus S doesn't suffer from the Galaxy S series GPS woes....
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/caseinpoint
Exact opposite of what I have heard. People also claim that the GPS of the captivate works "as well as their Garmin", which, while also making the same point, I don't believe because there were about 70 threads in the captivate/i9k developer forums about trying to make it better.
Hi everyone,
So basically tomorrow is my birthday and my parents would be getting me something. I was thinking of a new gadget.
I currently have the Google Nexus S
So for mobile device I've got the Galaxy Nexus in mind, or the HTC one X.
But lately I've been thinking about tablets. I do not mind getting a tablet to pair with my Nexus S. I was thinking about the kindle fire, but I do not know how to get it in Singapore. Or the Asus Transformer, but im unsure of it because of the price.
So can you recommend me a tablet that lies with the price range below 350-400USD or $500 SGD. ?
So what do you think? And or is the galaxy nexus upgrade a better choice? Please help in advising me. I'm in a dilemma.
Thank you so much!!
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If I were in you I would only think about the Samsung Galaxy S2 (i9100) or the Samsung Galaxy Note.
The S2 is very well supported by a wide community of modders, has got a marvelous screen, and great hardware.
The Note is bigger but still smaller than a tablet, and gives you the possibility to use a very sensitive stylus.
Have a look at the size, and have your choice. If my S2 breaks I will buy a Note.
HTC One X has a Tegra 3 chip, currently the most powerful SoC solution. So I would suggest going for it - it wil be powerful even after 2 years.
S2 or Samsung Galaxy Nexus
I got the S2 but i would rather want the Samsung Galaxy Nexus cuz it's more "Google" if you know what I mean.. cuz i hate the touchwiz, I know you can get a ROM but still.. AND the nexus got the Navigation Bar!
If I were in your place I would have gone for tablet, having two gadgets of different leagues is better than upgrading one.
Thanks guys, I would take all your advice into account. I am hoping for more replies because all your replies are opposite one another
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Ok I'll add some more to your confusion!
Getting a new device is like getting a new pair of shoes. You should get the one that fits you comfortably. Here's a short list of what I'd get if I were to buy a phone (depending on need/want):
*available phones only
-Xperia S: Camera monster and cheaper than the OneX, at Par with SGS2's performance
-OneX: future proof (probably good for the next 2-3 years), powerful GPU
-Samsung Galaxy Nexus: timely updates (that's it)
-Samsung Galaxy S2: wide dev support, probably still good for the next year or so (but the resolution is too low IMO)
-OneS: beats the OneX in some benchmarks (in their native resolutions), IMO S4 chip is better than the 4-PLUS-1 A9 tegra 3, more affordable too.
IF you're going for a TAB and you can't afford a Transformer Prime don't settle for the Nook or a Fire. I suggest you get a Motorolla XOOM. It's tegra 2 powered and has an HD screen (1280x800) compared to the 1024x600 of the Nook and Fire, and it has a very wide dev support.
I suggest you go for a TAB and don't upgrade your phone. That way you'll have your Nexus S (which can still run almost every app on the Play Store) and have the XOOM for your multimedia satisfaction
Happy Birthday bro! good luck on your gift!
We have a number of tablets here where I work, and the one that I like the most is defiantly the Asus transformer. But that being said I agree with the last guy the XOOM is a good one and also is most acers. But price aside I would say the Transformer Prime would be a fine choice!
cepcamba said:
Ok I'll add some more to your confusion!
Getting a new device is like getting a new pair of shoes. You should get the one that fits you comfortably. Here's a short list of what I'd get if I were to buy a phone (depending on need/want):
*available phones only
-Xperia S: Camera monster and cheaper than the OneX, at Par with SGS2's performance
-OneX: future proof (probably good for the next 2-3 years), powerful GPU
-Samsung Galaxy Nexus: timely updates (that's it)
-Samsung Galaxy S2: wide dev support, probably still good for the next year or so (but the resolution is too low IMO)
-OneS: beats the OneX in some benchmarks (in their native resolutions), IMO S4 chip is better than the 4-PLUS-1 A9 tegra 3, more affordable too.
IF you're going for a TAB and you can't afford a Transformer Prime don't settle for the Nook or a Fire. I suggest you get a Motorolla XOOM. It's tegra 2 powered and has an HD screen (1280x800) compared to the 1024x600 of the Nook and Fire, and it has a very wide dev support.
I suggest you go for a TAB and don't upgrade your phone. That way you'll have your Nexus S (which can still run almost every app on the Play Store) and have the XOOM for your multimedia satisfaction
Happy Birthday bro! good luck on your gift!
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Thanks dude!! I really sincerely appreciate it it must have taken you a lot of time to write that out. Thanks good news I've got a few more days to decide. And haha you've added to my confusion
I've ruled out tablets for now.. this is due to the reason that I wouldn't bring it outside of the home anywhere with me unless I'm going overseas on holiday. This is due to school and lack of time..
So now you've narrowed me down to 2 devices which I had my eyes on. The One X and the Galaxy Nexus. Looking at the One X's development section it Loos empty. That's probably due to cwm being recently released for it. So in the 5days room I've got (parents waiting for a $150 voucher, phone costs $400) I will check the development section of the One X.
Now I wonder, which roms do you think will come to the one X? Aokp? Cm9? These are some basic concerns I have.. looks like I might have to actually go with the One X. How about MIUI on the One X?
Something that bothers me is the One X has a very different look from the Nexus. Minimalistic stuff on the launcher would be pretty difficult to achieve.. so any screenshots of cool designs done on the One X?
Thank you all guys! I hope you had a good day.
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Bernie Nolan said:
We have a number of tablets here where I work, and the one that I like the most is defiantly the Asus transformer. But that being said I agree with the last guy the XOOM is a good one and also is most acers. But price aside I would say the Transformer Prime would be a fine choice!
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Kinda got rid of the tablet idea thanks though!
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Bad news guys... just checked. The HTC One X is $698 come pared to the Galaxy nexus $400. Guess it has to be nexus unless you've got suggestions..
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shockem said:
Bad news guys... just checked. The HTC One X is $698 come pared to the Galaxy nexus $400. Guess it has to be nexus unless you've got suggestions..
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It's kind of hard to recommend a phone better than the Galaxy Nexus in it's price range. However I have 2 options I'd consider:
Xperia S:
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4219&idPhone2=4369
pros:
-Best Camera in the android world
-32GB storage
-Sony's reputation of giving updates even to older devices (X10 came out with Donut and came as far as Gingerbread)
-Better CPU (1.5GHZ snapdragon vs 1.2GHZ TI-OMAP)
-with card slot
cons:
-no gorilla glass (can be offset with screen protectors though)
neutral:
-SuperAMOLED vs LED-Backlit_LCD (matter of preference)
-4.3" vs 4.65" (matter of preference)
Samsung Galaxy S2
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4219&idPhone2=3621
pros:
-definitely more afordable
-with card slot
-better camera
-more powerful SoC (better processor and GPU)
-very wide dev support
cons:
-not retina display
neutral:
-4.2" vs 4.65" (matter of preference)
Both these devices are significantly more affordable than the Galaxy Nexus and both has the same, or even better, performance.
Personally, I can afford the OneX but I'll be getting the Xperia S. IMO (benchmarks aside) there is nothing the OneX can do that the Xperia S can't, at least for the next year or so. And in two years time I'll probably be changing phones again, so I'll go with the Xperia S for now.
Hope this helps
I don't think i will upgrade to s3 over note ill wait for note2 just saying.........
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i have a month with my note and nothing out there tickles my fancy.
when you get used to the large screen, there is no going back, from my experience.
my friend bought the s3 and im like meh its cool and all but that difference
on screen real estate has me hooked. i didnt get the buzz until i had 2 days with
the note.
i thought viewing excel documents on the s2 was a huuuuuge difference coming from the torch.
i thought viewing excel documents coming from the bold to the torch was a huuuge leap.
WTF the NOTE blows everything out of the water, all other phones are not worthy
Found another reason today to love our Notes over the SIII....
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-melts/
Haven't heard a report of Notes melting yet!
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Found another reason today to love our Notes over the SIII....
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-melts/
Haven't heard a report of Notes melting yet!
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Wow that's crazy.
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I just recently switched from the Iphone4 to the Galaxy Note....I was really planning on getting the S3 when it came out (I bought Note outright no contract from Craigslist) and the more I play with the Note...the less I want to switch. I mean they have the same specs except for the Note a bigger screen. Plus with the custom roms you can have almost everything a S3 has as far as features...why spend the extra cash for less screen and a few other features?
Oh and there is NO WAY IN HELL I will ever go back to Apple!
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I just recently switched from the Iphone4 to the Galaxy Note....I was really planning on getting the S3 when it came out (I bought Note outright no contract from Craigslist) and the more I play with the Note...the less I want to switch. I mean they have the same specs except for the Note a bigger screen. Plus with the custom roms you can have almost everything a S3 has as far as features...why spend the extra cash for less screen and a few other features?
Oh and there is NO WAY IN HELL I will ever go back to Apple!
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They don't have the same specs.
i717 Note: Qualcomm S3 1.5ghz processor Adreno 220 GPU, 1gb RAM
i747 GSIII: Qualcomm S4 1.5ghz processor Adrena 225 GPU, 2gb RAM, Better cameras (Burst and HDR shot, 720p front facing), Gorilla Glass 2.
Although the features on the SIII are nice, they aren't enough for me to upgrade just yet.
Perhaps once 1080p screens become standard I will upgrade.
I would wait for note 2. I really like my note (i717) despite problem with custom radio for T-Mobile.
I agree I think the note is gonna be on top for a while... for a long while.
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I'll stick with my note fo sure .....don't care for the one x nor the s3 ..."Quad core"....... i don't need a quad core phone......my DUAL CORE note runs every single game I have perfect ...like mass effect ...nova... mc3 ...and everything's else ...
NUFF said DUECE's
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They don't have the same specs.
i717 Note: Qualcomm S3 1.5ghz processor Adreno 220 GPU, 1gb RAM
i747 GSIII: Qualcomm S4 1.5ghz processor Adrena 225 GPU, 2gb RAM, Better cameras (Burst and HDR shot, 720p front facing), Gorilla Glass 2.
Although the features on the SIII are nice, they aren't enough for me to upgrade just yet.
Perhaps once 1080p screens become standard I will upgrade.
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Yea I meant to say similar specs, but yea you're right...not enough to make me switch over to the S3...
Two words jelly bean
"Since God created man, and man created the Galaxy Note, the Galaxy Note are like a gift from God, Randal!"
S III IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOT!
zer0nine said:
They don't have the same specs.
i717 Note: Qualcomm S3 1.5ghz processor Adreno 220 GPU, 1gb RAM
i747 GSIII: Qualcomm S4 1.5ghz processor Adrena 225 GPU, 2gb RAM, Better cameras (Burst and HDR shot, 720p front facing), Gorilla Glass 2.
Although the features on the SIII are nice, they aren't enough for me to upgrade just yet.
Perhaps once 1080p screens become standard I will upgrade.
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In actual tests on You Tube the Note's camera actually outperformed most others, including the S3, in picture quality.
Definitely gonna stick with the Note. I like to turn heads when using it in public. And nobody I know has it which makes it that much cooler. I can live without the slight upgrade in processing and ram.
When I had S2, I got my wife S2,
As now I have Note , I will get her get S3.
And I personally will wait for Note 2, bcoz am still enjoying Note.
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If I hadn't picked up the Note, er, if the Note had never been produced, I would for sure be all over the GSIII, but I couldn't be happier with my Note. The GSIII is a great looking phone imho, but the screen size of the Note plus the SPen make it a winner for me. My first Android was the Captivate, followed by the Infuse, and now my Note. Needless to say, Samsung has my loyalty and it will take a huge offering to displace them. My next phone will definitely be the Note 2. I just don't see another phone topping the Note 2 based purely on my current Note.
I like the hardware style of HTC phones, but they need to make a 5.3+" AMOLED screened phone with a stylus to displace Samsung and the Note for me. Not to mention, bootloader unlocking is just something I'd rather not have to ever deal with, and I can't pull myself to stay on stock software anymore. I know it's simple enough, but it's still a nuisance to deal with bootloader unlocking. I haven't played with the newer versions of Sense either, but my phones always end up losing manufacturer overlays anyways, and so far, Touchwiz has been the most appealing for me as well.
Same goes for Motorola, I like the direction they've gone with hardware on the RAZR line, but I need this big, beautiful screen and pen, not to mention a removable back. I also have hated Motorola overlays all along, as it is just ugly and laggy on every Motorola I've played with. They also have the stupid bootloader issues that keep me at bay.
I really wish Nokia wouldn't have been so dumb and had adopted both Android and WP7, because again, I like their hardware. Maybe they'll open up to Android in the future, but that won't happen before the Note 2 is here.
All that being said, I have no complaints with Samsung hardware, as every phone I have had from them has been rock solid and sexy despite people always bashing their use of plastic. I suppose the only qualm I have is how the back of the GSIII is glossy and the Note 2 will likely follow in it's design footsteps, though I don't mind the back of my white Note at all...I just prefer the textured back of my Infuse or metal on my Captivate. I really wish the general public would stop bashing Samsung for using plastic though, I don't see it as detrimental to build quality at all, and no matter what people say, metal still scratches, scuffs and dents, and plastic still holds up great in drops.
If Samsung wanted to annihilate the market and forever hold my loyalty, they can feel free to read this post and make my ideal Note 2 =] :
*5.5-6" Super AMOLED Plus HD 1080p display
-if they could find a way, make it matte glass while keeping HD clarity...which would be tough, but possible in the future probably.
*GNex styling with textured back, matte plastic instead of glossy.
-or go a different route with something exotic...carbon fiber, ceramic, magnesium, etc. I would pay a premium price for premium materials. =]
*Full Wacom pen functionality/increased pen software integration.
*Even though MHL is getting better, mini hdmi out would be nice like Motorola has on some phones
*Bigger battery obviously, or even next gen battery technology when it comes to consumer devices.
*Next gen Exynos with LTE capability and an increase in RAM, which RAM increase is inevitable.
*Multiple internal storage options like the GSIII, I would pounce all over 64 GB internal with up to 128 GB with expandable.
*Padfone and/or Atrix style docking options. Not necessary, but would be awesome. I would like to see something like that Ubuntu docking setup, as it would make phones of the future truly all in one devices. Imagine having only one device with only peripherals to expand functionality...yes, the future will be awesome.
All of that is really unnecessary with how awesome I think my current Note is, but if they include any of that you can bet I will be throwing my money at them.
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Android The Greek said:
Two words jelly bean
"Since God created man, and man created the Galaxy Note, the Galaxy Note are like a gift from God, Randal!"
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Four words, you might be wrong. With lots of proof pointing to the ASUS Nexus Tegra 3 Tablet getting Jelly Bean first there is speculation Jelly Bean will be for tablets only just like Honeycomb. It actually makes sense cause they had tablets running Gingerbread and to set tablets apart they gave us Honeycomb now theres ICS which is very similar to Honeycomb and I think Google is smart enough to know they need something else to keep people interested in Android tablets. Who knows but if you go back and read old post about Honeycomb before it was announced by Google everyone thought they would get they update on their devices but when it was anounced it was a let down cause it was only for tablets and I am willing to bet the next Android OS will also be a tablet only OS. I would also bet that every other new Android OS will be Tablet only from now on. But hey maybe I am wrong.
porkenhimer said:
Four words, you might be wrong. With lots of proof pointing to the ASUS Nexus Tegra 3 Tablet getting Jelly Bean first there is speculation Jelly Bean will be for tablets only just like Honeycomb. It actually makes sense cause they had tablets running Gingerbread and to set tablets apart they gave us Honeycomb now theres ICS which is very similar to Honeycomb and I think Google is smart enough to know they need something else to keep people interested in Android tablets. Who knows but if you go back and read old post about Honeycomb before it was announced by Google everyone thought they would get they update on their devices but when it was anounced it was a let down cause it was only for tablets and I am willing to bet the next Android OS will also be a tablet only OS. I would also bet that every other new Android OS will be Tablet only from now on. But hey maybe I am wrong.
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Three words, you are wrong. ICS was designed to make it simple for developing for both phones and tablets, hence why tablet mode is activated by a simple dpi change. ICS was made so Google doesn't have to deal with two different versions of software for tablets and phones, and both modes are built right in to one software version.
Plus, in the online Google play store, they just changed the galaxy nexus for sale to show hints at jelly bean, like the screen shown with a new stock wallpaper and different looking search bar, even right in the text description. It will be for both phones and tablets.
Edit: Here, needed to look this up: http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...ean-will-be-coming-to-the-galaxy-nexus-first/
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I absolutely need a tablet with pen functionality, and I'm stuck between the 3 choices above. Appreciate any advice from the community:
HTC Flyer Pros:
Very good aftermarket "hacking" support in term of custom ROM, upgrading OS, etc... I've seen what good this can do, my 2 year old Sprint Epic 4G (running ICS) absolutely defeats all the current generation phones with A9 dual core (but running Gingerbread) in benchmarks
HTC Flyer Cons:
Hardware is two generations out of date (CPU is from the A8 Cortex era)
Thinkpad Tablet Pros:
A9 Cortex era hardware... so only one generation out of date, but the Nvidia Tegra 2 was the worst of the A9 SoC.
Thinkpad Tablet Cons:
Not as vibrant an aftermarket support as the HTC Flyer. I've seen many frustrated posts here on this forum.
HTC Jetstream Pros:
A9 Cortex era hardware... so only one generation out of date, and specs wise better than Nvidia Tegra 2. Best hardware out of the 3
HTC Jetstream Cons:
I think the aftermarket support is dead. No ICS. Only one custom ROM exist.
I can't wait for the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 to launch and it's too pricey for me too. Which tablet would you choose if you were in my shoes?
AndroAsc said:
I absolutely need a tablet with pen functionality, and I'm stuck between the 3 choices above. Appreciate any advice from the community:
HTC Flyer Pros:
Very good aftermarket "hacking" support in term of custom ROM, upgrading OS, etc... I've seen what good this can do, my 2 year old Sprint Epic 4G (running ICS) absolutely defeats all the current generation phones with A9 dual core (but running Gingerbread) in benchmarks
HTC Flyer Cons:
Hardware is two generations out of date (CPU is from the A8 Cortex era)
Thinkpad Tablet Pros:
A9 Cortex era hardware... so only one generation out of date, but the Nvidia Tegra 2 was the worst of the A9 SoC.
Thinkpad Tablet Cons:
Not as vibrant an aftermarket support as the HTC Flyer. I've seen many frustrated posts here on this forum.
HTC Jetstream Pros:
A9 Cortex era hardware... so only one generation out of date, and specs wise better than Nvidia Tegra 2. Best hardware out of the 3
HTC Jetstream Cons:
I think the aftermarket support is dead. No ICS. Only one custom ROM exist.
I can't wait for the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 to launch and it's too pricey for me too. Which tablet would you choose if you were in my shoes?
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If 7 inch screen not an issue, I would go for Flyer as after market support is best with it amongst options. However, the Jetstream is relatively new and its hardware absolutely rocks. If you looking at the option of notes, etc - note that good 3rd party notes applications available all work with Android 3.x and above only. So Flyer you would have to upgrade or whatever - but people seem to have issues with Honeycomb on the Flyer. My personal choice would still be Jetstream because of its hardware, screen size - yes it lacks a bit in after market support - but that seems to be changing as more and more people going in for it due to the price drop and as more users get added, more developers are taking an interest. I feel its just a matter of time before we get something in the form of ICS etc. I don't know much about the Thinkpad tablet - have seen it superficially - it seems to be a good alternate to the Jetstream - but as you said, it doesn't have as great hardware as the Jetstream and the after market support is so-so. So if you looking for a long term tablet which will have good life, its Jetstream. If however, you want something for now and don't mind 7 inch screen, its the Flyer as it has already gotten ICS and a large community.
i wouldnt touch any of them.
the flyer is small and old.
the jetstream still has a bit of petential but you can't tell where its going.
the lenovo also might still get better, but i wouldnt count on it.
truth is, android just isnt good enough. the multitude of devices is killing the OS.
i would check samsung, i think they are about to release a 10 inch tablet with pen support.
also, google are rummerd to announce a 7 inch tablet in the upcoming days.
and most of all - microsoft surface. looks very promising, hopefully microsoft wouldlnt screw it up.
I got my Jetstream on ebay for $250 and I consider it a very good purchase; it's true that the development and user community for the JetStream is very small at the moment; but it is bound to increase with all the price cuts. The hardware on this tablet rocks; mine is rooted, using DoomLord's kernel, running OSI's room without all the att bloatware and I'll tell you this tab feels more responsive and smoother than the Galaxy Tab, Acer, Gtab or any other tablet I've ever used.
Personally ICS doesn't feel that much better than Honeycomb; I ran both on my previous tab and I didn't really notice a big difference on my day to day usage.
The HTC Scribe pen paired with a good note taking app such as Lecture Notes is just great for anyone who takes a lot of notes - maybe a college student like myself.
So I would get the JetStream over the ThinkPad, Flyer or any other tablet in the market at the moment. The key is to get it at a good price like I did; if you have to pay $600 then just wait a little bit longer for the next big thing to come out.
AlexFG said:
I got my Jetstream on ebay for $250 and I consider it a very good purchase; it's true that the development and user community for the JetStream is very small at the moment; but it is bound to increase with all the price cuts. The hardware on this tablet rocks; mine is rooted, using DoomLord's kernel, running OSI's room without all the att bloatware and I'll tell you this tab feels more responsive and smoother than the Galaxy Tab, Acer, Gtab or any other tablet I've ever used.
Personally ICS doesn't feel that much better than Honeycomb; I ran both on my previous tab and I didn't really notice a big difference on my day to day usage.
The HTC Scribe pen paired with a good note taking app such as Lecture Notes is just great for anyone who takes a lot of notes - maybe a college student like myself.
So I would get the JetStream over the ThinkPad, Flyer or any other tablet in the market at the moment. The key is to get it at a good price like I did; if you have to pay $600 then just wait a little bit longer for the next big thing to come out.
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Exactly my thinking. Agree with everything you said.
However, my device is not rooted yet. What Rom did you use. I usually do this but was waiting for something very stable.
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globalgpj said:
Exactly my thinking. Agree with everything you said.
However, my device is not rooted yet. What Rom did you use. I usually do this but was waiting for something very stable.
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You should know better my friend, the first thing you do after you take an android device out of its box is root it.lol.
I'm using OSImood at the moment and its very stable, its basically the stock Rom without all the att junk and some minor tweaks. Galaxy v3 is another ROM that seems to be very popular however I installed it and it didn't work out for me - even though it was my fault because I should have installed doomlord's kernel before the ROM and I did it afterwards so you might want to install the kernel immediately after root and recovery.
AlexFG said:
You should know better my friend, the first thing you do after you take an android device out of its box is root it.lol.
I'm using OSImood at the moment and its very stable, its basically the stock Rom without all the att junk and some minor tweaks. Galaxy v3 is another ROM that seems to be very popular however I installed it and it didn't work out for me - even though it was my fault because I should have installed doomlord's kernel before the ROM and I did it afterwards so you might want to install the kernel immediately after root and recovery.
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Ok. I'll give it a go. My HD2 and SG2 all had custom Roma all the time. Can't wait to get rid of the bloatware.
Yeah, I read that on many places, install doomlord's kernel first.
Thanks for all yr suggestions.
Edit.
1. Unlocked using HTC Dev.
2. Installed Doomlord's CWM
3. Installed Doomlord's kernal
4. Installed Doomlord's WiFi modules.
Now I just have to install a custom Rom tonight. Great.
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Wouldn"t touch the thinkpad
i PURCHAED the thinkpad for the stylus. There are many of us with serious palm rejection issues on the thinkpad. Upgraded to ICS... and palm rejection issues remain (even in pen-only mode). Just google thinkpad "palm rejection" issues... you'll see the threads of us complaining.
Hey fellow members of XDA, I hope you're all well!
Anyway, I have a question relating to Android phones. Recently, I purchased a Nexus 7 - I was previously an iOS user, but, after using the Nexus 7 - I found Android was actually on par, if not better than, the iOS experience.
So, although my original plan was to purchase an iPhone 4S - I have decided against that notion - and instead I am planning to buy an Android phone, and possibly even a Windows Phone - once Windows Phone 8 is released.
I will be using the phone for mainly internet browsing, social networking, music, movies, gaming, and perhaps even reading at times - although I already have a Nexus 7 for those, you cannot really take it everywhere despite the size of it, and no 3G/4G severely hamper it's connectivity. By that I mean, you can hardly fit it in your pocket.
Currently, I am thinking about purchasing either the HTC One X - or the Samsung Galaxy S III. Both are great phones, and while HTC has the advantage of Tegra 3 - and a staggering 0.1 GHz faster processor - the Galaxy S III has SuperAMOLED Plus, and it also has expandable storage. Both, in my opinion, are equal to each other: neither are truly better than the other, comprehensively, in any factor. GSMArena notes that the SGS3 chipset, the Enyxos, is not as good as the Tegra 3 chipset present in the One X. Tegra 3 is certainly preferable, since Tegra 3 offers a great gaming experience with exclusive games, such as the recently released Horn.
The Windows Phone 7 phones available right now, to me, are underwhelming, but if rumours are anything to go by, WP8 seems intruging, and may even be a possible contender to the current smartphone superpowers.
The deals I have found, though, note that the HTC One X is cheaper, however, presumably because it was announced earlier.
I have found a HTC One X available for £325 - or alternatively, on contract, £18.50 a month.
The Galaxy S 3, however, costs £410 (T-Mobile), and contract @ £22.75. (For purchase, both devices are second hand, but in Mint condition - boxed, unscratched, no faults etc.)
I used moneysupermarket to find the cheapest contract deals, and CEX to find the cheapest second hand, but mint condition, devices.
However, with the announcement of the Galaxy Note 2 at IFA, as well as, to a lesser extent, the Sony Xperia T (I think Sony phones are sexy), I am deciding whether to hold of for a couple of months. The Galaxy Note 2 may, however, be too big? I've seen the Galaxy Note, and it's a mammoth of a 'phone.' (Currently Galaxy Note users, can you comfortably use a 5.3 inch screen? And would you be able to handle a 5.5 inch screen? How comfortable is it in the hand, and are there times where the size just becomes overwhelming?)
I now think it would not be a good idea to purchase a phone now, a time where the next Nexus phone, and the next iPhone, are due to be released.
While both are most likely out of my price range, (£350 recommended, but £400 absolute limit - doesn't include top-ups, and for monthly deals, £25-£28 monthly - doesn't include upfront payment) would you think it would be worthwhile to wait until the release of the next Android/iOS/WP8 flagship phones, or do you think that nothing major will happen? By major, I mean the S3 or One X become virtually redundant compared to the newly released phones. I have seen recently that HTC are preparing a WP8 device, and are also preparing another flagship phone, for example, while all of us know that the iPhone 5 will soon be released, and the Galaxy Nexus is already approaching it's one year birthday.
Thanks for the help! I will listen to all suggestions, and I am also open to other phones available in the market now, or possibly in the future.
Please, though, do NOT mention BlackBerry's! Or any WP7 phones, at the moment.
EDIT: Ok, after researching the specs for the Galaxy Note 2 - it is basically an enlarged SGS3 - although it has 1GB more RAM, and it's processor is clocked 0.2GHz higher. In that case, I wont specifically wait for the Note 2.
Konflict1471 said:
Hey fellow members of XDA, I hope you're all well!
Anyway, I have a question relating to Android phones. Recently, I purchased a Nexus 7 - I was previously an iOS user, but, after using the Nexus 7 - I found Android was actually on par, if not better than, the iOS experience.
So, although my original plan was to purchase an iPhone 4S - I have decided against that notion - and instead I am planning to buy an Android phone, and possibly even a Windows Phone - once Windows Phone 8 is released.
I will be using the phone for mainly internet browsing, social networking, music, movies, gaming, and perhaps even reading at times - although I already have a Nexus 7 for those, you cannot really take it everywhere despite the size of it, and no 3G/4G severely hamper it's connectivity. By that I mean, you can hardly fit it in your pocket.
Currently, I am thinking about purchasing either the HTC One X - or the Samsung Galaxy S III. Both are great phones, and while HTC has the advantage of Tegra 3 - and a staggering 0.1 GHz faster processor - the Galaxy S III has SuperAMOLED Plus, and it also has expandable storage. Both, in my opinion, are equal to each other: neither are truly better than the other, comprehensively, in any factor. GSMArena notes that the SGS3 chipset, the Enyxos, is not as good as the Tegra 3 chipset present in the One X. Tegra 3 is certainly preferable, since Tegra 3 offers a great gaming experience with exclusive games, such as the recently released Horn.
The Windows Phone 7 phones available right now, to me, are underwhelming, but if rumours are anything to go by, WP8 seems intruging, and may even be a possible contender to the current smartphone superpowers.
The deals I have found, though, note that the HTC One X is cheaper, however, presumably because it was announced earlier.
I have found a HTC One X available for £325 - or alternatively, on contract, £18.50 a month.
The Galaxy S 3, however, costs £410 (T-Mobile), and contract @ £22.75. (For purchase, both devices are second hand, but in Mint condition - boxed, unscratched, no faults etc.)
I used moneysupermarket to find the cheapest contract deals, and CEX to find the cheapest second hand, but mint condition, devices.
However, with the announcement of the Galaxy Note 2 at IFA, as well as, to a lesser extent, the Sony Xperia T (I think Sony phones are sexy), I am deciding whether to hold of for a couple of months. The Galaxy Note 2 may, however, be too big? I've seen the Galaxy Note, and it's a mammoth of a 'phone.' (Currently Galaxy Note users, can you comfortably use a 5.3 inch screen? And would you be able to handle a 5.5 inch screen? How comfortable is it in the hand, and are there times where the size just becomes overwhelming?)
I now think it would not be a good idea to purchase a phone now, a time where the next Nexus phone, and the next iPhone, are due to be released.
While both are most likely out of my price range, (£350 recommended, but £400 absolute limit - doesn't include top-ups, and for monthly deals, £25-£28 monthly - doesn't include upfront payment) would you think it would be worthwhile to wait until the release of the next Android/iOS/WP8 flagship phones, or do you think that nothing major will happen? By major, I mean the S3 or One X become virtually redundant compared to the newly released phones. I have seen recently that HTC are preparing a WP8 device, and are also preparing another flagship phone, for example, while all of us know that the iPhone 5 will soon be released, and the Galaxy Nexus is already approaching it's one year birthday.
Thanks for the help! I will listen to all suggestions, and I am also open to other phones available in the market now, or possibly in the future.
Please, though, do NOT mention BlackBerry's! Or any WP7 phones, at the moment.
EDIT: Ok, after researching the specs for the Galaxy Note 2 - it is basically an enlarged SGS3 - although it has 1GB more RAM, and it's processor is clocked 0.2GHz higher. In that case, I wont specifically wait for the Note 2.
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TL;DR but if you want to get the note II just because of the processor you can overclock the S3 all the way to 2.1 ghz but I recommend not anymore than 1.8/1.9. The S3 is a great phone I have it right now.
Also the One X has a much faster CPU if you look at quadrant scores. But really you get 60 fps on all games basically and butter smooth.
Oh yes, I forgot that you could overclock Android devices... Nonetheless, I doubt 0.1Ghz clock difference will provide a completely different, and better, experience.
Wait for the next Nexus.
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Well, now I sort of need a phone urgently...
I guess I could wait a little bit, but, if I can no longer wait:
HTC One X, or the Samsung Galaxy S III?
Konflict1471 said:
Well, now I sort of need a phone urgently...
I guess I could wait a little bit, but, if I can no longer wait:
HTC One X, or the Samsung Galaxy S III?
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S3
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HTC is a pain to s-off and you have to remove your void stickers and take apart your phone and use a wire to do it....its not fun and very easy to render your device unusable....gs3 is incredibly easy if you like customizing...get a gs3...
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a lot of custom roms and kernels have different radios in them and if you cwm then root your HTC without s-off first then you will not be able to use your WiFi and your device will constantly try to turn it on and kill your battery....so you can unlock it then cwm then root but unless you take it apart first and s-off then it's pointless to Rom it. otherwise you will run into problems. a lot of roms say s-on is ok until you flash and realize your WiFi isn't working...so HTC will give you pain unless you know your device 100 percent inside and out....if you do it make sure you touch the right contacts with the wire at the right timing or you just ruin your phone....had that problem myself and went and bought a gs3 plug it into Odin and let Odin do the magic for you with out opening up your device just to completely unlock it (s-off) gs3 is the way to go....HTC has better processors but they have to turn down the clock because there batterys are horrible....if you want speed and battery life and the option to customize get a Samsung...
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