SWith all the questions around the preorders, I went ahead and paid the premium to buy the one the guy posted earlier that he bought from Gamestop in Denver.
MY QUESTION: What's the best utility to see if my unit has WiFi issues?
Your questions?
Use Wifi Analyzer.
You could use wi-fi analyzer to check the signal strength at different places in your house. Then compare it with another tablet while at the same places or, if you don't have another one, install inSSIDer on your laptop and redo the test at same places and note the difference in the amplitude of the signal from the router.
It doesn't seem to be a big problem based on what I had seen in the video posted earlier, even if you do have a wi-fi issue with the prime..
Moving apps/gmail to new tablet
Does anyone happen to know if I register my gmail with this device will the %)%) % all the Android market apps I have on my other device start to install on this one? I don't want them to.
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SWith all the questions around the preorders, I went ahead and paid the premium to buy the one the guy posted earlier that he bought from Gamestop in Denver.
MY QUESTION: What's the best utility to see if my unit has WiFi issues?
Your questions?
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Does anyone happen to know if I register my gmail with this device will the %)%) % all the Android market apps I have on my other device start to install on this one? I don't want them to.
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Mind if I ask what the premium was? I didn't know he actually listed it for sale. Also as far as the apps go I know they are avail to install on your prime but should not automatically. Might want to get some further verification on that though.
My question:
Will you actually answer questions or are you an attention seeker like the last guy who claimed to have one and answer our questions? (Which he did not)
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My question:
Will you actually answer questions or are you an attention seeker like the last guy who claimed to have one and answer our questions? (Which he did not)
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I thought andyxover has been doing a decent job answering questions. He doesn't seem to be the most thorough or technical guy in the world but he has answered quite a lot of questions, I thought.
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I thought andyxover has been doing a decent job answering questions. He doesn't seem to be the most thorough or technical guy in the world but he has answered quite a lot of questions, I thought.
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I don't think he means Andyxover, because he is doing a great job and is even making video's.
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My question:
Will you actually answer questions or are you an attention seeker like the last guy who claimed to have one and answer our questions? (Which he did not)
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I'll do my best - I have the week off on vacation to play with it. I'm not realy technical and won't do anything that feels that it's a risk - otherwise ...
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Mind if I ask what the premium was? I didn't know he actually listed it for sale. Also as far as the apps go I know they are avail to install on your prime but should not automatically. Might want to get some further verification on that though.
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$150. I know it's crazy but the pre-order questions were driving me crazy.
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$150. I know it's crazy but the pre-order questions were driving me crazy.
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You do realize you're the only non-Taiwanese CUSTOMER to have a hold of this thing? Like, literally, the.only.one. Lucky bastard.
OK so using WiFi Analyzer, I've been trying to compare the signal to my Amazon Kindle (my only other tablet is an iPad 1). The good thing is, I live in a 50 story condo downtown and most of the routers in the building show the unit numbers so I can see how far away they are. Here are some results. Let me know if there is anything else I should try before updating the firmware:
Wifi Analyzer Test
Router in the same room:
Asus Transformer Prime (hands-off) -39 to -49 dBm
Asus Transformer Prime (hands-on) -40 to -56 dBm
Amazon Kindle: -46 dBm (no fluctuation)
Router one floor below:
Asus Transformer Prime (hands-off) -60 to -70 dBm
Asus Transformer Prime (hands-on) -59 to -65 dBm
Amazon Kindle: -54 to -58 dBm
Of note, on the Prime, the signal strength line graph looks like the Rocky Mountains while on the Kindle it's nearly flat as can be for the same WiFi points.
How about posting some SpeedTest results at various distances?
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How about posting some SpeedTest results at various distances?
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So I have started some speed testing using Speedtest.net and the Ookla android app. I seem to be having problem getting any kind of upload speed at all from the Prime when I'm two rooms away (about 50 ft and two concrete walls). Not having the same problem on the Windows 7 tablet or my phone (using the same app). I'll keep working on it.
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So I have started some speed testing using Speedtest.net and the Ookla android app. I seem to be having problem getting any kind of upload speed at all from the Prime when I'm two rooms away (about 50 ft and two concrete walls). Not having the same problem on the Windows 7 tablet or my phone (using the same app). I'll keep working on it.
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none of my wifi devices would hold a connection from 50ft and two concrete walls.
But then again i haven't been very happy with the signal strength from my router.
So I have done quite a few WiFi tests today after the firmware upgrade. I noted yesterday that, while running WiFi Analyzer, the signal strength was quite "spike-y" compared to my Kindle Fire - although high and low values still averaged out about the same as the Fire. Today, I've spent a lot of time trying to normalize speed tests by changing wireless channels, disabling tasks and testing from various distances.
The results are quite strange. With the Kindle Fire and my android phone running the Speedtest.net app the range of speeds and pings across 20 tests were +/- 15%. The Transformer Prime, however, seems to get widely varying results - from download/upload lows of 780/35 kbps to a highs of 3220/860 kbps (compared to the high of 2260/820 kbps before the firmware upgrade) and just about every range of results in between. Even more unusual was that the test failed to connect to the network several times and I had to reset the Prime.
Tests from further away (about 50 feet, two rooms and two concrete walls) really improved after the firmware upgrade but were equally inconsistent. Still the average was 1187/510 kbps with about the same number of failed tests.
It's hard to really point to these results as anything definitive because there are so many possible points of interference and variance. But it does seem like there is a problem with my unit -- enough so that if it continues, I would likely exchange for another once the fix was shipped.
What is the speed of your internet connection? Thanks too, BTW.
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I don't think it will, you have to pick what device you want the app to download to when you're on the market. So it will not go unless you pick it or install it manually.
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What is the speed of your internet connection? Thanks too, BTW.
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I'm not sure what the advertised speed is. My wired computer tests averaged 35ms 11.25/0.86 Mbps
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Anandtech just updated their Asus Prime review.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5175/asus-transformer-prime-followup
It seems that the Prime has not one, but two WiFi antennas! The problem with the first samples ASUS sent to reviewers was one of those antennas not working.
So the great Anand Lal Shimpi himself is saying..
It turns out that the Eee Pad Transformer Prime features WiFi antenna diversity. We've talked about antenna diversity most often with reference to the cellular chain on Apple's iPhone 4 and 4S, but here it's present on the Prime's WiFi. There are two antennas on the Transformer Prime, one located on either side of the front facing camera. In the second Transformer Prime sample, one of the two wasn't working. In my third review sample, taken from the retail lot that's on its way to vendors this week, both were fully functional. The result is peak WiFi performance that is virtually identical to the original Eee Pad Transformer.
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Thanks and gold luck.
What are you referring to as "WiFi issue"? Sure, the retail ones are fixed but most of us aren't worried about getting Primes that have the malfunction. We trust that Asus won't release a product that has a malfunction. The "WiFi issue" we are worried about is how it has or will affect the dates/stock. We witnessed the delay in Canada and smaller retailers in the US. Ultimately, we believe Asus will fix the issue before selling them but we wonder what the cost of this fix was.
CyberPunk7t9 said:
Anandtech just updated their Asus Prime review.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5175/asus-transformer-prime-followup
It seems that the Prime has not one, but two WiFi antennas! The problem with the first samples ASUS sent to reviewers was one of those antennas not working.
So the great Anand Lal Shimpi himself is saying..
Thanks and gold luck.
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Haha, I told you guys, ASUS did NOT oversee the issue with the metal backplate
They knew (of course) about this all the time, so they added a second antenna to circumvent these problems
Good job ASUS!
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What are you referring to as "WiFi issue"? Sure, the retail ones are fixed but most of us aren't worried about getting Primes that have the malfunction. We trust that Asus won't release a product that has a malfunction. The "WiFi issue" we are worried about is how it has or will affect the dates/stock. We witnessed the delay in Canada and smaller retailers in the US. Ultimately, we believe Asus will fix the issue before selling them but we wonder what the cost of this fix was.
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Well said. Thank you.
I used Asus PC motherboards for years myself and know how good their products/support is.
but seems some users were still worried and wanted to give them the heads up.
Good to hear!
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Diamondback2010 said:
Haha, I told you guys, ASUS did NOT oversee the issue with the metal backplate
They knew (of course) about this all the time, so they added a second antenna to circumvent these problems
Good job ASUS!
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Well, one way or another, this might not actually be what some people are reporting. People who have a 'weaker WiFi signal' may actually have the device without that problem. Problem is that multiple WiFi issues have been reported. For one, heavily fluctuating signal that is is a better sign of a flawed antenna. Weak signal, however, not and may simply be the result of how Prime is built.
It's a fact that WiFi signal would be stronger if Prime was not built the way it is. Half a decent laptop will still outperform Prime. I just hope that the signal is better than it was on my previous latptop (that had plastic body).
We will not really know until next week. I don't mind a weaker WiFi, personally, but I am using it in places where WiFi is below average and if it fails in those areas I hope that it at least holds onto the signal.
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We will not really know until next week. I don't mind a weaker WiFi, personally, but I am using it in places where WiFi is below average and if it fails in those areas I hope that it at least holds onto the signal.
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This is what is worrying me.
I barely manage a signal with my TF101. What chance will the Prime have I ask myself?
Lets hope the debbi downers n trollers see this. Forum doesn't need any more threads worrying about wifi issues. One of the main reviewers that had issues has figured out why. Plus they said the issue is fixed in retail units. Im optimistic my prime won't have issues. Plus this was still more so an isolated event. With both antennaes working properly, the Prime should get great reception.
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They also said the unit with both antennaes working, had wifi quality/strength virtually identical to original transformer.
Plus wifi test showed it has one of the best wifi setups out there. Came in 3rd out of all tablets. Way better than ipad 2
take that negative nancy's.
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They also said the unit with both antennaes working, had wifi quality/strength virtually identical to original transformer.
Plus wifi test showed it has one of the best wifi setups out there. Came in 3rd out of all tablets. Way better than ipad 2
take that negative nancy's.
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This sounds promising, but who said that it has 'one of the best wifi setups out there'? Was there an article or test conducted? I still remain skeptical. I am sure Asus has fixed the malfunctioning antennae issue though and maybe the other problems can be helped by firmware and other software updates. I don't care if WiFi is weaker than usual, but I would be annoyed if it fluctuates heavily.
And does anyone know if the dock boost WiFi in any way? Has there been tests with and without the dock?
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This sounds promising, but who said that it has 'one of the best wifi setups out there'? Was there an article or test conducted? I still remain skeptical. I am sure Asus has fixed the malfunctioning antennae issue though and maybe the other problems can be helped by firmware and other software updates. I don't care if WiFi is weaker than usual, but I would be annoyed if it fluctuates heavily.
And does anyone know if the dock boost WiFi in any way? Has there been tests with and without the dock?
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I meant based on that wifi comparison test of all or most major tablets. The chart near end of article. It really tied for second.
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http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/15/...romised?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/15/...romised?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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We are literally 4 days away from their announced launch. Their last response only a few days ago was it was still on track even if they choose to not mention in limited quantities. It would be bad PR to backtrack at this point or have next Monday arrive and then they announce a delay. It's safe to say US launch is next week. UK was supposed to be next year anyways and I assume they grouped Italy with them. Also delayed Canada to shift product to US.
Anyways thanks for the link OP. I'm once again excited for this tablet with only 4 days left. I hope newegg ships next week as well. As far as lingering issues. It's confirmed throughput will be just fine. In most use scenarios your reception will be fine no matter how you hold it. Range is the only thing but its not horrible by any means. So if you already have poor WiFi reception you may want to look into a repeater or a more powerful wireless router. Whichever one makes sense for you're scenario.
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This is not really a 'delay' in Europe, it was never supposed to be released in Europe in December anyway, there was no announcement. And it makes sense for Asus to take a breather and launch with ICS in Europe, which helps sales, since they can 'announce' it, differently from just launching something with a delay. It also gives Asus to build up stock for the launch.
It's a smart call by Asus from marketing standpoint, though it does technically push the European release a little.
I still would have preferred for launch in Europe and US simultaneously, but I can understand why Asus is kind-of limited in that regard.
He actually has a really good video review, it has a lot of salient points. I am really starting to wonder how this thing is going to stack up to Krait when it comes out.
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The dock won't affect the signal as it does not contain any antennas or circuitry that can interfere with the signal.
It's great to see something resolved that I'd never given much thought to. I've been using ASUS products since 1992, and I've never had concerns about quality on any of the 11 or so Motherboards I've used.
My main concern now is just GETTING the darn thing. I sold my Transformer TF101 before ordering the Prime, and Tablet withdrawals are starting to get to me!
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Anandtech just updated their Asus Prime review.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5175/asus-transformer-prime-followup
It seems that the Prime has not one, but two WiFi antennas! The problem with the first samples ASUS sent to reviewers was one of those antennas not working.
So the great Anand Lal Shimpi himself is saying..
Thanks and gold luck.
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Here is the WiFi chart from this article showing the PRIME performance which is BETTER than the iPad2 for WiFi transfer speed
Thanks for the post.
Paraphrasing the video re: WIFI, it says the two antennas increase download speed, so that issue is covered. The WIFI range is still a little less than many tablets because it's an Aluminum body without any built in window for WIFI antennas. Unless you added some kindof plastic window to the tablet design, the " all aluminum " body will always bring down the WIFI range a bit.
But: shouldn't be an issue that will be noteworthy in overwhelming majority of tablet users. Prime is still the one to get.
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It's great to see something resolved that I'd never given much thought to. I've been using ASUS products since 1992, and I've never had concerns about quality on any of the 11 or so Motherboards I've used.
My main concern now is just GETTING the darn thing. I sold my Transformer TF101 before ordering the Prime, and Tablet withdrawals are starting to get to me!
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I know what you mean I sold mines too
Sent through my Black market i9250 Galaxy Nexus
A few days ago I finally managed to score a Prime on Best Buy's website (had been waiting for them to show up in stores but realized that would take forever) and now its set to arrive this week. But then I read the news on the new "premium" ugly Prime set to arrive later this year and its got me wondering if sticking with Asus is a good idea.
First off, I guess I'm not really familiar with the issues of the Prime, I thought it was just GPS problems but apparently there are WiFi issues as well? GPS problems don't really bother me because I never really planned on using it as a GPS device unless there's something I'm failing to realize about GPS's silent contributions to app functionality.
Second, I'm not bothered by the fact Asus is releasing an update to the Prime soon. I bought the original Transformer a few months ago for $400 knowing the successor would likely be out before years end, then sold it to a friend for 350 a few days ago to pay for the Prime. Selling and upgrading doesn't bother me but what does bother me is Asus seemingly deciding to sweep the GPS (and WiFi?) issue under the rug and ignore it which I can see bothers early adopters and shows a **** side of Asus I wasn't expecting. I'm thinking of just cancelling my purchase in protest but the alternatives of equal specs are still a ways off and probably higher priced.
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A few days ago I finally managed to score a Prime on Best Buy's website (had been waiting for them to show up in stores but realized that would take forever) and now its set to arrive this week. But then I read the news on the new "premium" ugly Prime set to arrive later this year and its got me wondering if sticking with Asus is a good idea.
First off, I guess I'm not really familiar with the issues of the Prime, I thought it was just GPS problems but apparently there are WiFi issues as well? GPS problems don't really bother me because I never really planned on using it as a GPS device unless there's something I'm failing to realize about GPS's silent contributions to app functionality.
Second, I'm not bothered by the fact Asus is releasing an update to the Prime soon. I bought the original Transformer a few months ago for $400 knowing the successor would likely be out before years end, then sold it to a friend for 350 a few days ago to pay for the Prime. Selling and upgrading doesn't bother me but what does bother me is Asus seemingly deciding to sweep the GPS (and WiFi?) issue under the rug and ignore it which I can see bothers early adopters and shows a **** side of Asus I wasn't expecting. I'm thinking of just cancelling my purchase in protest but the alternatives of equal specs are still a ways off and probably higher priced.
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In a nutshell, the WiFi issue is that the reception isn't the strongest. It works fine when you're not too far away from your router, but as the distance increases, the speed and ability to pull in a signal deteriorate faster than most other similar devices.
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In a nutshell, the WiFi issue is that the reception isn't the strongest. It works fine when you're not too far away from your router, but as the distance increases, the speed and ability to pull in a signal deteriorate faster than most other similar devices.
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how far are we talking before it deteriorates? I don't want to have problems in my own house
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how far are we talking before it deteriorates? I don't want to have problems in my own house
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From my testing at different locations, it really depends on two things:
1) How much is between the router and the tablet (e.g., thick walls)
2) How many other WiFi networks are in range (it seems that the speed takes more of a hit in areas w/ a lot of WiFi, at least from my testing).
Sorry for not being able to give you a definitive answer, but it really does depend. In my main use case, I have no drop-offs in my apartment being about 35 feet away from the router, going through 3 walls, and having a bunch of other WiFi signals interfering with mine, however my speed is only about 5-10 Mbps while my iPad1 gets about 18-22 Mbps in the same spot.
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From my testing at different locations, it really depends on two things:
1) How much is between the router and the tablet (e.g., thick walls)
2) How many other WiFi networks are in range (it seems that the speed takes more of a hit in areas w/ a lot of WiFi, at least from my testing).
Sorry for not being able to give you a definitive answer, but it really does depend. In my main use case, I have no drop-offs in my apartment being about 35 feet away from the router, going through 3 walls, and having a bunch of other WiFi signals interfering with mine, however my speed is only about 5-10 Mbps while my iPad1 gets about 18-22 Mbps in the same spot.
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Alright that doesn't sound too bad, not too many networks where I live and I probably wont be too far away from my router with the tablet, thanks for the reply. What about the GPS issue? Is it just as simple as it sounds? People can't get good GPS signal away from an internet source so things like Google Maps and weather apps might have problems? That doesn't seem like too big a problem for e as I have a phone for those things but all the fuss about it is making me think there must be more to it.
Seen this on MobileTechReview Youtube site. Thought I would share.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MobileTechReview?blend=1&ob=video-mustangbase#p/u/0/vgx2Kpfi-Ps
Just talking about pressure points on Asus prime and possible that the
pogo pins used weren't making contact on some. interesting...
And I knows its been talked about on few threads.
If you know it's being talked about in another thread then why would you create a new one ?
Well well well....lmfao the cat is out the hat now....some people are so damn simple minded and can't see that this was a real possibility...now the proof is pointing more towards this being the reason for wifi/GPS issues than the backplate. Note how she said after that press all wireless signals greatly increased..that her wifi was easily on par with all her other wireless devices. Now her GPS is picking up satellites like crazy.
THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS OP! Further proof now.
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No, this video needs it own thread as to Garner more attention. Video would get lost in other thread. Plus with other complaint threads out there all the same, this won't hurt.
This is great news! Definitaly worth a try. Though my Wifi/GPs is working fine
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Because meathead, there have been guesses as part of a GPS threads but this is a solid link to a reputable site and this is the sole purpose of the thread. Don't read it and troll on.
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Because meathead, there have been guesses as part of a GPS threads but this is a solid link to a reputable site and this is the sole purpose of the thread. Don't read it and troll on.
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Ha, whatever.
That is probably what was wrong with my first transformer prime unit that I returned to Office Depot. It had great working wifi for about a week and then it suddenly started having the wifi problems that have been reported by others. I suspect that the antenna connection had come loose. My replacement prime has been doing great with wifi so far just like my first one did in the beginning. I've had it for about two weeks now.
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Well well well....lmfao the cat is out the hat now
THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS OP! Further proof now. OLO
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Do you ever consider a source before going on a tear? "Lisa" is PDXGal from this forum. She's just parotting back what she learned here. I don't know her qualifications but I've seen some of her other reviews and she's not a h/w engineer. In other words, her video affirms what's been discussed and is hardly "breaking news" or technical verification from someone more qualified than we are.
I take it that this is not considered a permanent fix....
unfortunately, this hasn't improved my wifi connection at all. i've been squeezing my prime all day and still, my sgs2 blows the prime out of the water in every location that i've tested. same goes for our 2 year old samsung laptop.
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I take it that this is not considered a permanent fix....
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I wouldn't even consider it a "fix" as much as confirmation of a problem. A fix would involve Asus admitting there's a design issue affecting at least some devices and coming up with a solution that addresses it. So far there's been no word from Asus (PM's via forum members don't count) acknowledging there's even a problem.
Holy ****..that actually work. I never ever have a gps signal before and after i did that push .. i actually got 7 satellite lock...
How bout we use C clamps as a permanent fix. lol. Man this is one tablet I love and hate.
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I wonder if she got the anandtech info from here about the pogo connectors and the bending technique and came up with her own technique.
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Do you ever consider a source before going on a tear? "Lisa" is PDXGal from this forum. She's just parotting back what she learned here. I don't know her qualifications but I've seen some of her other reviews and she's not a h/w engineer. In other words, her video affirms what's been discussed and is hardly "breaking news" or technical verification from someone more qualified than we are.
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I know who she is..lol plus we already had a h/w engineer come in other thread and said this might likely be the reason also.
The video is just another form of proof another member tried a so called fix n seemed to improve wifi n GPS reception. There's been slot of people lately who tried this and seemed to work. There's no definitive proof on anything. Even the backplate. Asus didn't flat out admit Backplate was the "SOLE" cause of wireless issue. They said its a possibility. Now this is a new possibility also which reared its head. Which is seeming looking more n more convincing and makes logical sense. Its not that hard to envision actually. If some units actually have loose or faulty connections then it can't get any worse for wireless performance then that. METal backplate won't mean anything if the dang signals can't even be generated or very poor from poor contact of the pogo pin. Signal is generated first, then it has to deal with going thru metal backplate. Therefore, Pogo pins possibly being faulty on some or alot of devices is alot more important/crucial to affecting wireless performance vs. Just a backplate alone. This is not difficult to comprehend.
ONE thing though, if this pin thing holds out to be true, No Software fix will overcome that or make it better. IF its only the backplate, then further updates can still be released to further improve GPS "AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE"
I don't get why she didn't post a video of her applying this method. Anyone else have video showing it works?
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Seen this on MobileTechReview Youtube site. Thought I would share.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MobileTechReview?blend=1&ob=video-mustangbase#p/u/0/vgx2Kpfi-Ps
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Thanks for the link to the video. Unfortunately in watching the video I seemed to be experiencing deja vu as this information was already presented to us in an earlier post.
It would have been nice to see the improvements in wifi and GPS reception in the video other than anecdotal evidence presented.
Got 12 satellites outside. How many fixed satellites? SNR strength?
Wifi analyzer -> dbm strength before? after?
So ...
bad aluminum back plate
bad antenna connectors (pogo pins)
bad drivers (GPS, wifi/BT)
GPS / wifi / wifi-BT -> still broken not fixed.
there was not a before and after shot of wifi reception using wifi meter or even "during" testing and no mention of signal levels before or after, which I found a bit odd and seemed to rely upon a speedtest. AFAIR she also talked about a number of routers (which I took to read as in her block of flats)
I tried this on my prime which and found that it did not improve signal levels which were on the 60db level and when I pressed on said areas the signal actually fell before returning to the previous level, but I have been playing a bit of pinball recently and the best method I have found for that game would involve a bit of squeezing in said areas anyway...so not a very good test in my circumstances..
I am due to receive a new gold prime on Monday which will be from a later build (I Think) and it will be interesting to compare primes.
But I do agree that the connectors do look as if they can contribute to weak signals and also have the potential to deteriorate over time, and it would involve just a tad too much effort to run a bit of wire wool or suchlike to clean up the connection.
wow i don't know if this really helped or not because i never really test my gps before, but i'm getting 14 satellites!! outside my house within a min.
This isn't really a clear cut result...
I am at the edge of my wireless reception at my house and my download speeds varied from 6MB to 16MB sitting in the same spot running the test over and over. Ping of about 38.
Wifi analyzer actually has me getting a stronger signal than my phone, but my phone gets more stable results from 12MB to 16 MB. Ping of about 50.
This certainly isn't a result of a loose connection, because the wifi analyzer has my tablet getting a stronger connection than my phone, yet the speed is a lot more varied.
Going to try my first post here... I have both the 101 and the 201. Been concentrating on the GPS problem - last night took both out on the deck and ran GPS test. 9 of 9 lock on the 101, and 9 of 13 on the 201, but at about 3/4 the signal strength. Still 9 of 9 on the 101 when i brought them inside, and 0 on the 201, although a few flashed. Thought it might be the case, but read a whack post somewhere about putting a cell in an aluminum pot and uncovering it quickly after some time to see if it lost signal. For kicks I did this with a heavy aluminum calphalon pot with my trusty thunderbolt (thick aluminum case) and after 15 mins it still hadn't lost even one satellite! The 201 sitting next to the rig never did more than flash one or two. At this point I really think the case is not the issue. Did the squeezy thing tonight, put the 201 and the 101 on the coffee table, and the 101 got its lock on 9 of 9, and the 201 got 8 of 8! At 2/3 the signal this time, but better than 0 the night before.
Conclusions, anyone? Hope this post is OK - scared to death with all the rules here...
I understand the GPS is a major problem for many Prime owners.
I have ICS on my tablet and it has detected, at most, 1 satellite, for about 5 seconds. This is with and without wifi, and in and out of the house. It has been overcast here so I haven't tested it under clear skies yes. I live in a rural area with no large buildings.
Is this what most people's experiences are or should I exchange the tablet?
Please read the forums a bit more, GPS issues have been already discussed.
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*Sigh*... Really? Read around, been discussed plenty of times
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*Sigh*... Really? Read around, been discussed plenty of times
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Read the post. I have spent the last 3 hours on this forum and a couple more else where trying to determine the breadth of the issue.
I am being very clear: My GPS, for all intents and purposes, does not work at all.
Is this the current state of the GPS post-ICS update for most Primes or is mine especially bad and worthy of an exchange? If the consensus is yes, most Prime's GPS are this bad, then I will return it. If people can generally get a few satellites most of the time then clearly mine is a particular breed of bad worthy of an exchange.
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Read the post. I have spent the last 3 hours on this forum and a couple more else where trying to determine the breadth of the issue.
I am being very clear: My GPS, for all intents and purposes, does not work at all.
Is this the current state of the GPS post-ICS update for most Primes or is mine especially bad and worthy of an exchange? If the consensus is yes, most Prime's GPS are this bad, then I will return it. If people can generally get a few satellites most of the time then clearly mine is a particular breed of bad worthy of an exchange.
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you spent three hours on this and still made this thread? haha
No that is NOT the case for everyone. Some work better than others. Mine works OK but not as good as my Galaxy 10.1 with is very fast. It takes a while to lock onto the satellites (10-30 seconds) but seems to work fine after that. It doesn't lock on well in a moving car but maybe the Galaxy doesn't either. Not the kind of tool that is easy to use while driving anyway and have not done much testing that way. I too am in a rural area and have tested it in heavy overcast.
i can sympathize, i too had some varrying results when i first started reading here.
Yes, that is normal. Some people can connect to GPS after a few seconds, my last prime couldnt hold a solid connection even with GPS fix installed, facing south, the whole nine yards. The best fix i had was three sattelites and within 300 meters. garbage. I returned that prime, maybe this new one is better, have yet to test it
I stood outside today with a friend, we received our Primes on the same day at the end of December, both came from BB.. He was able to lock on to multiple satellites within seconds without wifi.. I didn't even see any satellites, much less lock on, and using wifi didn't help.. What DID help was me rebooting. After I did that, but I saw 16 satellites and locked onto 8, but only with wifi.
My gps strength has fluctuated with OTAs.. I think. Hello I don't know anymore but I know I used to be able to sit in my chair 5 feet from a window an eventually get a lock with wifi on.. Now I can't..
Have you tried 11.1, have tried rebooting, did you ever lock on Before?
I am on 11.1 and have been able to lock onto 10 satellites in about a minute. It is weird how different it can be from prime to prime.
45 threads on GPS and another one? Where are the moderators?
Don't you understand that multiplying threads multiply places where you have to search when you want to have info I the subject? The more threads you have, the less informative they are, and that push people to open new ones?
Bought a 32gb grey prime, serial starting with BCOK from Office Depot. I'm noticing that I hardly ever get more than 2/3 the signal of the computers in my house, and no GPS (as expected). Lately I have seen from this forum that SOME people are getting C1 serial number primes and are reporting that their wifi is great and that their GPS is fully functional (something that people seem to have all but given up on).
The quality seems to vary from prime to prime, but at least people are reporting perfectly functional tf201 primes out there.
Any thoughts on whether I should start playing the return game until I get the perfect one? Observed any trends in what company seems to be selling the better primes?
Note: First xda post- after the forum intro video, I must that you be nice to me if this seems to be a silly question to ask on here
Maybe try this fix. Might work might not...or might just be temp.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1467964
otherwise if you can get an exchange right away I would exchange it. Or return it and buy another one if you see it somewhere else.
Does your wifi work? Yes, just not as strong as other computers in your house. Do you really need the GPS? Probably not, but you paid for it.
I think the return game just screws it up for others that really are looking to get their hands on a Prime but can't because of all the useless returns. Yes, some people have issues, but I'm sure 90% of the returns are pointless.
Looking into the fix aznmode . Currently combing the forums to see if I can get exact measurements as to where I should squeeze. I am unsure about the envelope method across the whole top of the screen, as I have no clue what else is under there (mind I am still researching).
I completely respect your stance 05GT. As I get the time, I am testing my wifi in different conditions, and am steadily developing an opinion as to whether this is going to be a real problem with me. Naturally, it just feels safer to have a more efficient machine, since these devices are so exclusively integrated with the internet. With my college lifestyle jumping from network to network it may be, might not. Its why I plan on dragging my trial period out a little longer to see if I can just get on with my device or if a fix will spring up.
I've tested a BC Prime, made in December. And Asus sent me a C1 Prime made in January. With the exception of a tiny bit of light bleed on the C1, they seemed identical.
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Looking into the fix aznmode . Currently combing the forums to see if I can get exact measurements as to where I should squeeze. I am unsure about the envelope method across the whole top of the screen, as I have no clue what else is under there (mind I am still researching).
I completely respect your stance 05GT. As I get the time, I am testing my wifi in different conditions, and am steadily developing an opinion as to whether this is going to be a real problem with me. Naturally, it just feels safer to have a more efficient machine, since these devices are so exclusively integrated with the internet. With my college lifestyle jumping from network to network it may be, might not. Its why I plan on dragging my trial period out a little longer to see if I can just get on with my device or if a fix will spring up.
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In your tests, it may be good to use wifi analyzer mentioned in that video. It's actually very useful in determining how well your device picks up wifi around you. I have another tablet I compare mine to and for the most part they're almost the same. I do notice from time to time my other tablet will have slightly longer reach as it can pick up 1 more wifi than the prime but its a very weak signal so I just discount it.
Such a first world problem hey? Kinda disgusting... No one wants a bad unit, im not judging anyone but some people can't even get their hands on one.
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Such a first world problem hey? Kinda disgusting... No one wants a bad unit, im not judging anyone but some people can't even get their hands on one.
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So we should be happy we have units that see no GPS satellites and have intermittently non-functional vibration motors because at least we have a prime? Right. That's just stupid.
No WiFi issues on my TF201-B1-CG, WiFi is great on this thing. GPS is a hit or miss for me.
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So we should be happy we have units that see no GPS satellites and have intermittently non-functional vibration motors because at least we have a prime? Right. That's just stupid.
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Vibration motors work fine, go to market, and download a vibrator app and test it. I'm sure with custom roms it will be fixed. As for GPS well you could just use your phone or if you really want to use it on a tablet just wait for the next android tablet to hit the market instead of complaining and complaining.
I thought I would follow up on my situation. My last day to return my prime is tomorrow.
I have done more extensive wifi testing, and I can conclude that the wifi is just weak. Close to the router it gets 2/3 signal. On the other side of the house where my sisters computer is getting 24mb/s, my prime is getting 1 mb/s.
Against my every wish ( everything else on the tablet is wonderful) , I am returning tomorrow. Good wifi is just something I need. Every store around is sold out on primes
So, what I will do is get a replacement tablet until ASUS gets things together ( best buy has a generous 45 day return policy).
As a college student, what will be a good replacement?
I was looking at the htc flyer ( a low end price replacement) or the lenovo thinkpad 1838 ( a higher end replacement..) as they both seem to have responsive touch screens that are good for writing. Would anyone recommend one of these, or something else within this price range for me?