Seen this on MobileTechReview Youtube site. Thought I would share.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MobileTechReview?blend=1&ob=video-mustangbase#p/u/0/vgx2Kpfi-Ps
Just talking about pressure points on Asus prime and possible that the
pogo pins used weren't making contact on some. interesting...
And I knows its been talked about on few threads.
If you know it's being talked about in another thread then why would you create a new one ?
Well well well....lmfao the cat is out the hat now....some people are so damn simple minded and can't see that this was a real possibility...now the proof is pointing more towards this being the reason for wifi/GPS issues than the backplate. Note how she said after that press all wireless signals greatly increased..that her wifi was easily on par with all her other wireless devices. Now her GPS is picking up satellites like crazy.
THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS OP! Further proof now.
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Moothead2 said:
If you know it's being talked about in another thread then why would you create a new one ?
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No, this video needs it own thread as to Garner more attention. Video would get lost in other thread. Plus with other complaint threads out there all the same, this won't hurt.
This is great news! Definitaly worth a try. Though my Wifi/GPs is working fine
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Because meathead, there have been guesses as part of a GPS threads but this is a solid link to a reputable site and this is the sole purpose of the thread. Don't read it and troll on.
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Because meathead, there have been guesses as part of a GPS threads but this is a solid link to a reputable site and this is the sole purpose of the thread. Don't read it and troll on.
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Ha, whatever.
That is probably what was wrong with my first transformer prime unit that I returned to Office Depot. It had great working wifi for about a week and then it suddenly started having the wifi problems that have been reported by others. I suspect that the antenna connection had come loose. My replacement prime has been doing great with wifi so far just like my first one did in the beginning. I've had it for about two weeks now.
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Well well well....lmfao the cat is out the hat now
THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS OP! Further proof now. OLO
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Do you ever consider a source before going on a tear? "Lisa" is PDXGal from this forum. She's just parotting back what she learned here. I don't know her qualifications but I've seen some of her other reviews and she's not a h/w engineer. In other words, her video affirms what's been discussed and is hardly "breaking news" or technical verification from someone more qualified than we are.
I take it that this is not considered a permanent fix....
unfortunately, this hasn't improved my wifi connection at all. i've been squeezing my prime all day and still, my sgs2 blows the prime out of the water in every location that i've tested. same goes for our 2 year old samsung laptop.
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I take it that this is not considered a permanent fix....
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I wouldn't even consider it a "fix" as much as confirmation of a problem. A fix would involve Asus admitting there's a design issue affecting at least some devices and coming up with a solution that addresses it. So far there's been no word from Asus (PM's via forum members don't count) acknowledging there's even a problem.
Holy ****..that actually work. I never ever have a gps signal before and after i did that push .. i actually got 7 satellite lock...
How bout we use C clamps as a permanent fix. lol. Man this is one tablet I love and hate.
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I wonder if she got the anandtech info from here about the pogo connectors and the bending technique and came up with her own technique.
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Do you ever consider a source before going on a tear? "Lisa" is PDXGal from this forum. She's just parotting back what she learned here. I don't know her qualifications but I've seen some of her other reviews and she's not a h/w engineer. In other words, her video affirms what's been discussed and is hardly "breaking news" or technical verification from someone more qualified than we are.
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I know who she is..lol plus we already had a h/w engineer come in other thread and said this might likely be the reason also.
The video is just another form of proof another member tried a so called fix n seemed to improve wifi n GPS reception. There's been slot of people lately who tried this and seemed to work. There's no definitive proof on anything. Even the backplate. Asus didn't flat out admit Backplate was the "SOLE" cause of wireless issue. They said its a possibility. Now this is a new possibility also which reared its head. Which is seeming looking more n more convincing and makes logical sense. Its not that hard to envision actually. If some units actually have loose or faulty connections then it can't get any worse for wireless performance then that. METal backplate won't mean anything if the dang signals can't even be generated or very poor from poor contact of the pogo pin. Signal is generated first, then it has to deal with going thru metal backplate. Therefore, Pogo pins possibly being faulty on some or alot of devices is alot more important/crucial to affecting wireless performance vs. Just a backplate alone. This is not difficult to comprehend.
ONE thing though, if this pin thing holds out to be true, No Software fix will overcome that or make it better. IF its only the backplate, then further updates can still be released to further improve GPS "AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE"
I don't get why she didn't post a video of her applying this method. Anyone else have video showing it works?
Erusman said:
Seen this on MobileTechReview Youtube site. Thought I would share.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MobileTechReview?blend=1&ob=video-mustangbase#p/u/0/vgx2Kpfi-Ps
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Thanks for the link to the video. Unfortunately in watching the video I seemed to be experiencing deja vu as this information was already presented to us in an earlier post.
It would have been nice to see the improvements in wifi and GPS reception in the video other than anecdotal evidence presented.
Got 12 satellites outside. How many fixed satellites? SNR strength?
Wifi analyzer -> dbm strength before? after?
So ...
bad aluminum back plate
bad antenna connectors (pogo pins)
bad drivers (GPS, wifi/BT)
GPS / wifi / wifi-BT -> still broken not fixed.
there was not a before and after shot of wifi reception using wifi meter or even "during" testing and no mention of signal levels before or after, which I found a bit odd and seemed to rely upon a speedtest. AFAIR she also talked about a number of routers (which I took to read as in her block of flats)
I tried this on my prime which and found that it did not improve signal levels which were on the 60db level and when I pressed on said areas the signal actually fell before returning to the previous level, but I have been playing a bit of pinball recently and the best method I have found for that game would involve a bit of squeezing in said areas anyway...so not a very good test in my circumstances..
I am due to receive a new gold prime on Monday which will be from a later build (I Think) and it will be interesting to compare primes.
But I do agree that the connectors do look as if they can contribute to weak signals and also have the potential to deteriorate over time, and it would involve just a tad too much effort to run a bit of wire wool or suchlike to clean up the connection.
wow i don't know if this really helped or not because i never really test my gps before, but i'm getting 14 satellites!! outside my house within a min.
This isn't really a clear cut result...
I am at the edge of my wireless reception at my house and my download speeds varied from 6MB to 16MB sitting in the same spot running the test over and over. Ping of about 38.
Wifi analyzer actually has me getting a stronger signal than my phone, but my phone gets more stable results from 12MB to 16 MB. Ping of about 50.
This certainly isn't a result of a loose connection, because the wifi analyzer has my tablet getting a stronger connection than my phone, yet the speed is a lot more varied.
Going to try my first post here... I have both the 101 and the 201. Been concentrating on the GPS problem - last night took both out on the deck and ran GPS test. 9 of 9 lock on the 101, and 9 of 13 on the 201, but at about 3/4 the signal strength. Still 9 of 9 on the 101 when i brought them inside, and 0 on the 201, although a few flashed. Thought it might be the case, but read a whack post somewhere about putting a cell in an aluminum pot and uncovering it quickly after some time to see if it lost signal. For kicks I did this with a heavy aluminum calphalon pot with my trusty thunderbolt (thick aluminum case) and after 15 mins it still hadn't lost even one satellite! The 201 sitting next to the rig never did more than flash one or two. At this point I really think the case is not the issue. Did the squeezy thing tonight, put the 201 and the 101 on the coffee table, and the 101 got its lock on 9 of 9, and the 201 got 8 of 8! At 2/3 the signal this time, but better than 0 the night before.
Conclusions, anyone? Hope this post is OK - scared to death with all the rules here...
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Anandtech just updated their Asus Prime review.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5175/asus-transformer-prime-followup
It seems that the Prime has not one, but two WiFi antennas! The problem with the first samples ASUS sent to reviewers was one of those antennas not working.
So the great Anand Lal Shimpi himself is saying..
It turns out that the Eee Pad Transformer Prime features WiFi antenna diversity. We've talked about antenna diversity most often with reference to the cellular chain on Apple's iPhone 4 and 4S, but here it's present on the Prime's WiFi. There are two antennas on the Transformer Prime, one located on either side of the front facing camera. In the second Transformer Prime sample, one of the two wasn't working. In my third review sample, taken from the retail lot that's on its way to vendors this week, both were fully functional. The result is peak WiFi performance that is virtually identical to the original Eee Pad Transformer.
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Thanks and gold luck.
What are you referring to as "WiFi issue"? Sure, the retail ones are fixed but most of us aren't worried about getting Primes that have the malfunction. We trust that Asus won't release a product that has a malfunction. The "WiFi issue" we are worried about is how it has or will affect the dates/stock. We witnessed the delay in Canada and smaller retailers in the US. Ultimately, we believe Asus will fix the issue before selling them but we wonder what the cost of this fix was.
CyberPunk7t9 said:
Anandtech just updated their Asus Prime review.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5175/asus-transformer-prime-followup
It seems that the Prime has not one, but two WiFi antennas! The problem with the first samples ASUS sent to reviewers was one of those antennas not working.
So the great Anand Lal Shimpi himself is saying..
Thanks and gold luck.
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Haha, I told you guys, ASUS did NOT oversee the issue with the metal backplate
They knew (of course) about this all the time, so they added a second antenna to circumvent these problems
Good job ASUS!
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What are you referring to as "WiFi issue"? Sure, the retail ones are fixed but most of us aren't worried about getting Primes that have the malfunction. We trust that Asus won't release a product that has a malfunction. The "WiFi issue" we are worried about is how it has or will affect the dates/stock. We witnessed the delay in Canada and smaller retailers in the US. Ultimately, we believe Asus will fix the issue before selling them but we wonder what the cost of this fix was.
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Well said. Thank you.
I used Asus PC motherboards for years myself and know how good their products/support is.
but seems some users were still worried and wanted to give them the heads up.
Good to hear!
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Diamondback2010 said:
Haha, I told you guys, ASUS did NOT oversee the issue with the metal backplate
They knew (of course) about this all the time, so they added a second antenna to circumvent these problems
Good job ASUS!
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Well, one way or another, this might not actually be what some people are reporting. People who have a 'weaker WiFi signal' may actually have the device without that problem. Problem is that multiple WiFi issues have been reported. For one, heavily fluctuating signal that is is a better sign of a flawed antenna. Weak signal, however, not and may simply be the result of how Prime is built.
It's a fact that WiFi signal would be stronger if Prime was not built the way it is. Half a decent laptop will still outperform Prime. I just hope that the signal is better than it was on my previous latptop (that had plastic body).
We will not really know until next week. I don't mind a weaker WiFi, personally, but I am using it in places where WiFi is below average and if it fails in those areas I hope that it at least holds onto the signal.
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We will not really know until next week. I don't mind a weaker WiFi, personally, but I am using it in places where WiFi is below average and if it fails in those areas I hope that it at least holds onto the signal.
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This is what is worrying me.
I barely manage a signal with my TF101. What chance will the Prime have I ask myself?
Lets hope the debbi downers n trollers see this. Forum doesn't need any more threads worrying about wifi issues. One of the main reviewers that had issues has figured out why. Plus they said the issue is fixed in retail units. Im optimistic my prime won't have issues. Plus this was still more so an isolated event. With both antennaes working properly, the Prime should get great reception.
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They also said the unit with both antennaes working, had wifi quality/strength virtually identical to original transformer.
Plus wifi test showed it has one of the best wifi setups out there. Came in 3rd out of all tablets. Way better than ipad 2
take that negative nancy's.
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They also said the unit with both antennaes working, had wifi quality/strength virtually identical to original transformer.
Plus wifi test showed it has one of the best wifi setups out there. Came in 3rd out of all tablets. Way better than ipad 2
take that negative nancy's.
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This sounds promising, but who said that it has 'one of the best wifi setups out there'? Was there an article or test conducted? I still remain skeptical. I am sure Asus has fixed the malfunctioning antennae issue though and maybe the other problems can be helped by firmware and other software updates. I don't care if WiFi is weaker than usual, but I would be annoyed if it fluctuates heavily.
And does anyone know if the dock boost WiFi in any way? Has there been tests with and without the dock?
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This sounds promising, but who said that it has 'one of the best wifi setups out there'? Was there an article or test conducted? I still remain skeptical. I am sure Asus has fixed the malfunctioning antennae issue though and maybe the other problems can be helped by firmware and other software updates. I don't care if WiFi is weaker than usual, but I would be annoyed if it fluctuates heavily.
And does anyone know if the dock boost WiFi in any way? Has there been tests with and without the dock?
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I meant based on that wifi comparison test of all or most major tablets. The chart near end of article. It really tied for second.
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http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/15/...romised?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/15/...romised?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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We are literally 4 days away from their announced launch. Their last response only a few days ago was it was still on track even if they choose to not mention in limited quantities. It would be bad PR to backtrack at this point or have next Monday arrive and then they announce a delay. It's safe to say US launch is next week. UK was supposed to be next year anyways and I assume they grouped Italy with them. Also delayed Canada to shift product to US.
Anyways thanks for the link OP. I'm once again excited for this tablet with only 4 days left. I hope newegg ships next week as well. As far as lingering issues. It's confirmed throughput will be just fine. In most use scenarios your reception will be fine no matter how you hold it. Range is the only thing but its not horrible by any means. So if you already have poor WiFi reception you may want to look into a repeater or a more powerful wireless router. Whichever one makes sense for you're scenario.
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http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/15/...romised?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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This is not really a 'delay' in Europe, it was never supposed to be released in Europe in December anyway, there was no announcement. And it makes sense for Asus to take a breather and launch with ICS in Europe, which helps sales, since they can 'announce' it, differently from just launching something with a delay. It also gives Asus to build up stock for the launch.
It's a smart call by Asus from marketing standpoint, though it does technically push the European release a little.
I still would have preferred for launch in Europe and US simultaneously, but I can understand why Asus is kind-of limited in that regard.
He actually has a really good video review, it has a lot of salient points. I am really starting to wonder how this thing is going to stack up to Krait when it comes out.
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And does anyone know if the dock boost WiFi in any way? Has there been tests with and without the dock?
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The dock won't affect the signal as it does not contain any antennas or circuitry that can interfere with the signal.
It's great to see something resolved that I'd never given much thought to. I've been using ASUS products since 1992, and I've never had concerns about quality on any of the 11 or so Motherboards I've used.
My main concern now is just GETTING the darn thing. I sold my Transformer TF101 before ordering the Prime, and Tablet withdrawals are starting to get to me!
CyberPunk7t9 said:
Anandtech just updated their Asus Prime review.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5175/asus-transformer-prime-followup
It seems that the Prime has not one, but two WiFi antennas! The problem with the first samples ASUS sent to reviewers was one of those antennas not working.
So the great Anand Lal Shimpi himself is saying..
Thanks and gold luck.
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Here is the WiFi chart from this article showing the PRIME performance which is BETTER than the iPad2 for WiFi transfer speed
Thanks for the post.
Paraphrasing the video re: WIFI, it says the two antennas increase download speed, so that issue is covered. The WIFI range is still a little less than many tablets because it's an Aluminum body without any built in window for WIFI antennas. Unless you added some kindof plastic window to the tablet design, the " all aluminum " body will always bring down the WIFI range a bit.
But: shouldn't be an issue that will be noteworthy in overwhelming majority of tablet users. Prime is still the one to get.
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It's great to see something resolved that I'd never given much thought to. I've been using ASUS products since 1992, and I've never had concerns about quality on any of the 11 or so Motherboards I've used.
My main concern now is just GETTING the darn thing. I sold my Transformer TF101 before ordering the Prime, and Tablet withdrawals are starting to get to me!
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I know what you mean I sold mines too
Sent through my Black market i9250 Galaxy Nexus
A few days ago I finally managed to score a Prime on Best Buy's website (had been waiting for them to show up in stores but realized that would take forever) and now its set to arrive this week. But then I read the news on the new "premium" ugly Prime set to arrive later this year and its got me wondering if sticking with Asus is a good idea.
First off, I guess I'm not really familiar with the issues of the Prime, I thought it was just GPS problems but apparently there are WiFi issues as well? GPS problems don't really bother me because I never really planned on using it as a GPS device unless there's something I'm failing to realize about GPS's silent contributions to app functionality.
Second, I'm not bothered by the fact Asus is releasing an update to the Prime soon. I bought the original Transformer a few months ago for $400 knowing the successor would likely be out before years end, then sold it to a friend for 350 a few days ago to pay for the Prime. Selling and upgrading doesn't bother me but what does bother me is Asus seemingly deciding to sweep the GPS (and WiFi?) issue under the rug and ignore it which I can see bothers early adopters and shows a **** side of Asus I wasn't expecting. I'm thinking of just cancelling my purchase in protest but the alternatives of equal specs are still a ways off and probably higher priced.
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A few days ago I finally managed to score a Prime on Best Buy's website (had been waiting for them to show up in stores but realized that would take forever) and now its set to arrive this week. But then I read the news on the new "premium" ugly Prime set to arrive later this year and its got me wondering if sticking with Asus is a good idea.
First off, I guess I'm not really familiar with the issues of the Prime, I thought it was just GPS problems but apparently there are WiFi issues as well? GPS problems don't really bother me because I never really planned on using it as a GPS device unless there's something I'm failing to realize about GPS's silent contributions to app functionality.
Second, I'm not bothered by the fact Asus is releasing an update to the Prime soon. I bought the original Transformer a few months ago for $400 knowing the successor would likely be out before years end, then sold it to a friend for 350 a few days ago to pay for the Prime. Selling and upgrading doesn't bother me but what does bother me is Asus seemingly deciding to sweep the GPS (and WiFi?) issue under the rug and ignore it which I can see bothers early adopters and shows a **** side of Asus I wasn't expecting. I'm thinking of just cancelling my purchase in protest but the alternatives of equal specs are still a ways off and probably higher priced.
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In a nutshell, the WiFi issue is that the reception isn't the strongest. It works fine when you're not too far away from your router, but as the distance increases, the speed and ability to pull in a signal deteriorate faster than most other similar devices.
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In a nutshell, the WiFi issue is that the reception isn't the strongest. It works fine when you're not too far away from your router, but as the distance increases, the speed and ability to pull in a signal deteriorate faster than most other similar devices.
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how far are we talking before it deteriorates? I don't want to have problems in my own house
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how far are we talking before it deteriorates? I don't want to have problems in my own house
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From my testing at different locations, it really depends on two things:
1) How much is between the router and the tablet (e.g., thick walls)
2) How many other WiFi networks are in range (it seems that the speed takes more of a hit in areas w/ a lot of WiFi, at least from my testing).
Sorry for not being able to give you a definitive answer, but it really does depend. In my main use case, I have no drop-offs in my apartment being about 35 feet away from the router, going through 3 walls, and having a bunch of other WiFi signals interfering with mine, however my speed is only about 5-10 Mbps while my iPad1 gets about 18-22 Mbps in the same spot.
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From my testing at different locations, it really depends on two things:
1) How much is between the router and the tablet (e.g., thick walls)
2) How many other WiFi networks are in range (it seems that the speed takes more of a hit in areas w/ a lot of WiFi, at least from my testing).
Sorry for not being able to give you a definitive answer, but it really does depend. In my main use case, I have no drop-offs in my apartment being about 35 feet away from the router, going through 3 walls, and having a bunch of other WiFi signals interfering with mine, however my speed is only about 5-10 Mbps while my iPad1 gets about 18-22 Mbps in the same spot.
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Alright that doesn't sound too bad, not too many networks where I live and I probably wont be too far away from my router with the tablet, thanks for the reply. What about the GPS issue? Is it just as simple as it sounds? People can't get good GPS signal away from an internet source so things like Google Maps and weather apps might have problems? That doesn't seem like too big a problem for e as I have a phone for those things but all the fuss about it is making me think there must be more to it.
there is no link..this was what I was told
-well for starters, an inside source, in Asus, tells me the wifi/BT issues are due to old Firmware on board. Issues supposed to be fixed on newer firmware. This is affecting a very small group out of very large shipments. How this occurred is being investigated and will promise to fix or replace with latest hardware/firmware revision.
-Next Rumors of TF-201 being discontinued is false
-new model with HD screen won't be released for at least another 4-5 months minimum. This is the TF 700. it still primarily uses metal backing except for thin strip of plastic up top
-with that said, this person tested his personal TF-201 model against the new model, TF 700 and there was no improvements or better results in Wifi or GPS in the test area. This was based on his personal assessment of it. he wasn't able to test at longer distances though. This in no way was some very intense detailed test. More of a quick comparison. He said his Prime doesn't suffer from issues experienced by some users here. This means both devices worked good and properly as they were supposed to. So two devices both working as they should will produce similar results. This means both devices performed good enough to the person testing it.
-As far as any type of exchange for a newer model ... there is no word or talk of that. Instead they are working to fix this within the Prime itself. If the fix found doesn't meet up to your satisfaction then return it. if out of range of return window, then they will work with the retailer
Well there you have it. All facts I've learned. I made sure to ask the right type of questions when the chance came my way. For all the people trying to put off current Prime for newer model thinkn it will perform better on wifi and GPS, THINK AGAIN...lol. Once primes that have issues get worked out, it will perform the same, as far as wifi, and GPS to newer model. The plastic strip up top doesn't really help at all because majority of backing is still metal, IMO. If prime is up to date with latest firmware, then there's no difference between newer model. As both models will work as they were intended to.
hope this finally clears up alot of false rumours floating around these forums lately.
For the Trollers and non believers, this is not a debate. Just releasing some info found out that may clear some rumors....MAIN ONE BEING THAT THE CURRENT PRIME. TF-201 will not be discontinued and will still be supported for the long haul.
If you have problem then keep it moving! TROLLING WONT WORK OVA HEAAAAA! lol
The plot thickens!
so what you are trying to tell me is that....
there's a horse working for asus that has a tf700 in possession?!?!?
AND THAT IT CAN SPEAK?!!?
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THIS IS ALL STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH BASICALLY..there is no link..take my word for it, this was what I was told
-well for starters, an inside source, in Asus, tells me the wifi/BT issues are due to old Firmware on board. Issues supposed to be fixed on newer firmware. This is affecting a very small group out of very large shipments. How this occurred is being investigated and will promise to fix or replace with latest hardware/firmware revision.
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So would you say this is the reason some primes work with ICS and others dont?
I think multiple occasions I have said that it was S/W not H/W. Everyone then puts it back in my face by saying its the back cover and Asus new about these issues and released the tablets anyways. Now if this source is correct, then I get to say the biggest I told ya so.
W ell, i dont know those journos who tested the tf700 (CES or you tube) didnt test the gps with wifi off. Even with lock, precision is like 60-200ft indoors an d forget about when moving fast in a train (do plan your trip in advnce or rent a car with gps...
Happy with the primeotherwise.
stereotada said:
so what you are trying to tell me is that....
there's a horse working for asus that has a tf700 in possession?!?!?
AND THAT IT CAN SPEAK?!!?
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The famous Mr. ED!
$10 says the TF700 he tested is just a prototype. Maybe they just slapped a new screen and a piece of electric tape on the TF201 in time for CES :X
If this is all true (and I desperately hope that it is), then I think I prefer the current prime to the TF700. IMHO the aesthetics of the spun metal back outweigh any alleged wifi/gps improvement and 1080 res at the cost of an ugly anodized whatever back panel.
TF201 FTW?
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I think multiple occasions I have said that it was S/W not H/W. Everyone then puts it back in my face by saying its the back cover and Asus new about these issues and released the tablets anyways. Now if this source is correct, then I get to say the biggest I told ya so.
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The GPS is a back issue the firmware is most likely whats causing issues like locking up and lines on the screen.
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so what you are trying to tell me is that....
there's a horse working for asus that has a tf700 in possession?!?!?
AND THAT IT CAN SPEAK?!!?
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you made me laugh. that was a good one. I needed that..lol
jdbaker82 said:
So would you say this is the reason some primes work with ICS and others dont?
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although it wasnt directly stated, this would make perfect sense though. Obviously some older primes that had old stuff on it wasn't supposed to ship out because majority of devices have newer firmware on it. So if Asus is sending out ICS updates made for newer firmware and people with older ones is receiving it also, it would cause issues. Because the software is not meshing well with the older hardware or something to that sort.
good point to bring up. that issue needs to be addressed also.
PICS or it didn't happen
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you made me laugh. that was a good one. I needed that..lol
although it wasnt directly stated, this would make perfect sense though. Obviously some older primes that had old stuff on it wasn't supposed to ship out because majority of devices have newer firmware on it. So if Asus is sending out ICS updates made for newer firmware and people with older ones is receiving it also, it would cause issues. Because the software is not meshing well with the older hardware or something to that sort.
good point to bring up. that issue needs to be addressed also.
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Well i dont want to Bragg but this is specifically what i already said was probably the reason in the iCS lockup thread
so now to see if they can get the firmware fixed before the TF700 comes out. any takers on bets?
Asus has a good reputation for putting out updates, but no one said this update is an easy one to patch in, if it is in fact just a firmware problem. hopefully it will come soon though.
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The famous Mr. ED!
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I bet it's just a regular Asus horse with peanut butter on its gums
ajkid93 said:
I think multiple occasions I have said that it was S/W not H/W. Everyone then puts it back in my face by saying its the back cover and Asus new about these issues and released the tablets anyways. Now if this source is correct, then I get to say the biggest I told ya so.
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I'm right along with you.
RipplingHurst said:
W ell, i dont know those journos who tested the tf700 (CES or you tube) didnt test the gps with wifi off. Even with lock, precision is like 60-200ft indoors an d forget about when moving fast in a train (do plan your trip in advnce or rent a car with gps...
Happy with the primeotherwise.
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This wasn't no journalist. A high ranking person who works for Asus. He owns a Prime n knows howbto use it..lol
jdbaker82 said:
The GPS is a back issue the firmware is most likely whats causing issues like locking up and lines on the screen.
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As seen the newer model with strip up top doesn't improve wifi and GPS all vs. the testers personal Prime. that being said his Prime worked fine and didn't have issues some users here experiencing. So it still can't be said the metal back is main cause of issue. The fact that the newer model didn't show better results then the guys personal Prime(which works perfectly) says alot.
demandarin said:
As seen the newer model with strip up top doesn't improve wifi and GPS all vs. the testers personal Prime. that being said his Prime worked fine and didn't have issues some users here experiencing.
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From your post, I don't know the specifics of the test or what "longer distances" even means...was he using some enhanced signal meter, or the bars on the tablet, or an app to gauge reception? You do know that wireless reception falls off on a decibel scale as you move further away from source, right? And that this may serve to keep the tablets "neck and neck" in an environment close to the source?
All in all, this gives me about as much reason to declare the 700 the equivalent of a Prime in terms of radio reception as it does to declare the Prime hopelessly outclassed...certainly not enough info from your post for a declarative of the former.
Hi i have x10 and made root and recovery but i cant install any rom and that msg appear.
e:/can,t mount/dev/block/mmcblk0p1(or/dev/block/mmcblko)
(device or resource busy )
E:cant mount sdcard: wolf gb.zip
Installation aborted.
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Any help plz
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thanks for the info... lets see if they turn into something real...
btw ask Mr X if Champange dock exist....
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wrong forum..
I have a hard time believing this for two reasons:
1) Why would Asus not fox the terribly awful GPS and lackluster WiFi in their next model?
2) Why would they add that ugly plastic strip on the top if it wasn't to improve the wireless signals?
These things just don't make any sense.
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demandarin said:
-with that said, this person tested his personal TF-201 model against the new model, TF 700 and there was no improvements or better results in Wifi or GPS in the test area.
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Forgive me, I'm a little slow. But how can this in any way be construed as "good news?" By their own admission, Asus has confirmed the wireless issues with the Prime. Asus Taiwan also said that the new "non full metal back" tablet will resolve those issues. So if the TF700 performs the same as the Prime it seems that's a bad thing and a (second) fail on Asus' part. I guess in some abstract way it's good for current Prime owners but the impact on Asus as a company by releasing two devices with wireless issues back-to-back would be extremely negative. And why would they even bother going to the expense of redesigning the TF700's back cover and getting it recertified with the FCC if they were: A) happy with the current performance of the Prime, and B) didn't think it would correct an issue they've already acknowledged?
Bought a 32gb grey prime, serial starting with BCOK from Office Depot. I'm noticing that I hardly ever get more than 2/3 the signal of the computers in my house, and no GPS (as expected). Lately I have seen from this forum that SOME people are getting C1 serial number primes and are reporting that their wifi is great and that their GPS is fully functional (something that people seem to have all but given up on).
The quality seems to vary from prime to prime, but at least people are reporting perfectly functional tf201 primes out there.
Any thoughts on whether I should start playing the return game until I get the perfect one? Observed any trends in what company seems to be selling the better primes?
Note: First xda post- after the forum intro video, I must that you be nice to me if this seems to be a silly question to ask on here
Maybe try this fix. Might work might not...or might just be temp.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1467964
otherwise if you can get an exchange right away I would exchange it. Or return it and buy another one if you see it somewhere else.
Does your wifi work? Yes, just not as strong as other computers in your house. Do you really need the GPS? Probably not, but you paid for it.
I think the return game just screws it up for others that really are looking to get their hands on a Prime but can't because of all the useless returns. Yes, some people have issues, but I'm sure 90% of the returns are pointless.
Looking into the fix aznmode . Currently combing the forums to see if I can get exact measurements as to where I should squeeze. I am unsure about the envelope method across the whole top of the screen, as I have no clue what else is under there (mind I am still researching).
I completely respect your stance 05GT. As I get the time, I am testing my wifi in different conditions, and am steadily developing an opinion as to whether this is going to be a real problem with me. Naturally, it just feels safer to have a more efficient machine, since these devices are so exclusively integrated with the internet. With my college lifestyle jumping from network to network it may be, might not. Its why I plan on dragging my trial period out a little longer to see if I can just get on with my device or if a fix will spring up.
I've tested a BC Prime, made in December. And Asus sent me a C1 Prime made in January. With the exception of a tiny bit of light bleed on the C1, they seemed identical.
mt6272 said:
Looking into the fix aznmode . Currently combing the forums to see if I can get exact measurements as to where I should squeeze. I am unsure about the envelope method across the whole top of the screen, as I have no clue what else is under there (mind I am still researching).
I completely respect your stance 05GT. As I get the time, I am testing my wifi in different conditions, and am steadily developing an opinion as to whether this is going to be a real problem with me. Naturally, it just feels safer to have a more efficient machine, since these devices are so exclusively integrated with the internet. With my college lifestyle jumping from network to network it may be, might not. Its why I plan on dragging my trial period out a little longer to see if I can just get on with my device or if a fix will spring up.
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In your tests, it may be good to use wifi analyzer mentioned in that video. It's actually very useful in determining how well your device picks up wifi around you. I have another tablet I compare mine to and for the most part they're almost the same. I do notice from time to time my other tablet will have slightly longer reach as it can pick up 1 more wifi than the prime but its a very weak signal so I just discount it.
Such a first world problem hey? Kinda disgusting... No one wants a bad unit, im not judging anyone but some people can't even get their hands on one.
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Such a first world problem hey? Kinda disgusting... No one wants a bad unit, im not judging anyone but some people can't even get their hands on one.
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So we should be happy we have units that see no GPS satellites and have intermittently non-functional vibration motors because at least we have a prime? Right. That's just stupid.
No WiFi issues on my TF201-B1-CG, WiFi is great on this thing. GPS is a hit or miss for me.
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So we should be happy we have units that see no GPS satellites and have intermittently non-functional vibration motors because at least we have a prime? Right. That's just stupid.
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Vibration motors work fine, go to market, and download a vibrator app and test it. I'm sure with custom roms it will be fixed. As for GPS well you could just use your phone or if you really want to use it on a tablet just wait for the next android tablet to hit the market instead of complaining and complaining.
I thought I would follow up on my situation. My last day to return my prime is tomorrow.
I have done more extensive wifi testing, and I can conclude that the wifi is just weak. Close to the router it gets 2/3 signal. On the other side of the house where my sisters computer is getting 24mb/s, my prime is getting 1 mb/s.
Against my every wish ( everything else on the tablet is wonderful) , I am returning tomorrow. Good wifi is just something I need. Every store around is sold out on primes
So, what I will do is get a replacement tablet until ASUS gets things together ( best buy has a generous 45 day return policy).
As a college student, what will be a good replacement?
I was looking at the htc flyer ( a low end price replacement) or the lenovo thinkpad 1838 ( a higher end replacement..) as they both seem to have responsive touch screens that are good for writing. Would anyone recommend one of these, or something else within this price range for me?
Don't believe me? Here's a video demonstrating my gps tracking ability. Took my prime out for a drive. Was able to track at least 10 gps at a time.
What's your serial number start with?
Same here c3
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Mine is working but seems to lag a bit. C3 as well.
Edit: From reboot with only GPS checked.
Cool. Thanks for vid. Yes, your Accuracy (feet) was up in 48 feet few times. But, pretty good. Right now with my modded prime I can get variables of 24, 9, and 6 feet.
About same as my Samsung Galaxy S II.
Definately more people with C3's are reporting their GPS actually works. And works ok. I can't wait until 300 and 700's come out. See what happens.
C30kas here came in mail yesterday from gamestop. Wifi range is about the same as my evo3d, gps locks in my house but when driving it lags a bit compared to my evo3d on Google maps ....always shows about 20 feet behind. Idc about gps though so I love this thing
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So is the WiFi also fixed or what? Do you have any evidence confirming improved WiFi connection?
Because honestly, the WiFi issue and the cracking screens are the only things holding me back from finally making the purchase. And I would love it if I saw improvements across the board before I make this investment.
Wife has new C3OKAS (today opened) and everything seems to work great.
My month old C1OKAS is at asus right now being fixed.. wifi&gps&bluetooth&cracked screen..
Same here , my C3 works pretty good!
Now what to do with that GPS dongle if GPS works?
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So is the WiFi also fixed or what? Do you have any evidence confirming improved WiFi connection?
Because honestly, the WiFi issue and the cracking screens are the only things holding me back from finally making the purchase. And I would love it if I saw improvements across the board before I make this investment.
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what cracking screens? Lmfao only like 3 reported that. We have well over 500 prime owners in xda. Wifi not as bad as its made out to seem. I had mine since 12/22. Soho wood great. No cracked screen. LOL
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Johnny0906 said:
Same here , my C3 works pretty good!
Now what to do with that GPS dongle if GPS works?
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GPS dongle will Perform way better than internal one. Its an external dedicated unit.
demandarin said:
what cracking screens? Lmfao only like 3 reported that. We have well over 500 prime owners in xda. Wifi not as bad as its made out to seem. I had mine since 12/22. Soho wood great. No cracked screen. LOL
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GPS dongle will Perform way better than internal one. Its an external dedicated unit.
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Well thats the thing, what's the point of a dongle when the GPS is working fine in a car that is moving at a relatively fast speed?
Won't it drain more battery? Or at the very least cause issues with it being in the way and stuff, on the other hand we do not know what it looks like but one imagines a regular hanging dongle, which would be awkward and in the way perhaps?
Cheers.
PS: 500 happy isnt enough or impressive, when you hit 1 million then we can applaude you.
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what cracking screens? Lmfao only like 3 reported that. We have well over 500 prime owners in xda. Wifi not as bad as its made out to seem. I had mine since 12/22. Soho wood great. No cracked screen. LOL
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Yeah. 'Lol' and 'lmfao'. Our company is buying 50 pads and asked for my opinion. I lolled too. But that's just drops in the ocean..
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Reisrdok said:
Wife has new C3OKAS (today opened) and everything seems to work great.
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Correction, gps locked once, now we stood outside half an hour and no lock. I quess we broke that too just now. We should not be given (asus brand) computers
andyqutami said:
So is the WiFi also fixed or what? Do you have any evidence confirming improved WiFi connection?
Because honestly, the WiFi issue and the cracking screens are the only things holding me back from finally making the purchase. And I would love it if I saw improvements across the board before I make this investment.
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I'm not trying to convince anyone to get anything. Get an ipad if these things are holding you back.
Regarding wifi, I'm sitting on the opposite side of the house on a different floor from the router and I'm still getting a strong signal. Look at screenshot.
This is a C2 unit. I ain't letting this one go. This is my baby now.
Huh interesting GPS result. Though I'm surprised to say that my GPS is pretty much the same or a bit worse while in the car moving at 60 km/h. I get around 36-72 feet lock most of the time but the wi-fi isn't excellent though. It's just as good as my iPod Touch's but worse than my father's Galaxy S2 by not much (about 5 dbm). And yet my serial is BCOKAS. Mine is definitely a keeper.
Hey!
what navigation software are you using? reason i'm asking is Co-Pilot sees the sats but does not seem to lock well even when GPS test reports 8 or 9 good sat locks.
and what kind of tablet holder do you have in your car? want to get it for my truck. Thanks!
BTW, sending my unit in for camera fix. hope they can do the GPS as well...
goodintentions said:
I'm not trying to convince anyone to get anything. Get an ipad if these things are holding you back.
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Some people believe that your purchase receipt states that you have to make a new video if your Prime works correctly lol!!
Got to love some of our members here now
chivas228 said:
Hey!
what navigation software are you using? reason i'm asking is Co-Pilot sees the sats but does not seem to lock well even when GPS test reports 8 or 9 good sat locks.
and what kind of tablet holder do you have in your car? want to get it for my truck. Thanks!
BTW, sending my unit in for camera fix. hope they can do the GPS as well...
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Been using sygic. But the one in the video is navfree USA.
MRCANNADY said:
Some people believe that your purchase receipt states that you have to make a new video if your Prime works correctly lol!!
Got to love some of our members here now
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Haha, I know.
I bought this prime fully expecting the gps to not work and the wifi to be weak. Imagine my surprise when I tried to get gps signals and got a dozen signals. And imagine my surprise when I noticed I was also picking up my neighbor's wifi signal.
In my excitement, I decided to brag to you people so that those without a working gps and weak wifi will be jealous of my acquisition.
Johnny0906 said:
Same here , my C3 works pretty good!
Now what to do with that GPS dongle if GPS works?
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it looks like you'll have to request for one on 4/16 , if your GPS works on your prime, don't even bother.