there is no link..this was what I was told
-well for starters, an inside source, in Asus, tells me the wifi/BT issues are due to old Firmware on board. Issues supposed to be fixed on newer firmware. This is affecting a very small group out of very large shipments. How this occurred is being investigated and will promise to fix or replace with latest hardware/firmware revision.
-Next Rumors of TF-201 being discontinued is false
-new model with HD screen won't be released for at least another 4-5 months minimum. This is the TF 700. it still primarily uses metal backing except for thin strip of plastic up top
-with that said, this person tested his personal TF-201 model against the new model, TF 700 and there was no improvements or better results in Wifi or GPS in the test area. This was based on his personal assessment of it. he wasn't able to test at longer distances though. This in no way was some very intense detailed test. More of a quick comparison. He said his Prime doesn't suffer from issues experienced by some users here. This means both devices worked good and properly as they were supposed to. So two devices both working as they should will produce similar results. This means both devices performed good enough to the person testing it.
-As far as any type of exchange for a newer model ... there is no word or talk of that. Instead they are working to fix this within the Prime itself. If the fix found doesn't meet up to your satisfaction then return it. if out of range of return window, then they will work with the retailer
Well there you have it. All facts I've learned. I made sure to ask the right type of questions when the chance came my way. For all the people trying to put off current Prime for newer model thinkn it will perform better on wifi and GPS, THINK AGAIN...lol. Once primes that have issues get worked out, it will perform the same, as far as wifi, and GPS to newer model. The plastic strip up top doesn't really help at all because majority of backing is still metal, IMO. If prime is up to date with latest firmware, then there's no difference between newer model. As both models will work as they were intended to.
hope this finally clears up alot of false rumours floating around these forums lately.
For the Trollers and non believers, this is not a debate. Just releasing some info found out that may clear some rumors....MAIN ONE BEING THAT THE CURRENT PRIME. TF-201 will not be discontinued and will still be supported for the long haul.
If you have problem then keep it moving! TROLLING WONT WORK OVA HEAAAAA! lol
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so what you are trying to tell me is that....
there's a horse working for asus that has a tf700 in possession?!?!?
AND THAT IT CAN SPEAK?!!?
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THIS IS ALL STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH BASICALLY..there is no link..take my word for it, this was what I was told
-well for starters, an inside source, in Asus, tells me the wifi/BT issues are due to old Firmware on board. Issues supposed to be fixed on newer firmware. This is affecting a very small group out of very large shipments. How this occurred is being investigated and will promise to fix or replace with latest hardware/firmware revision.
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So would you say this is the reason some primes work with ICS and others dont?
I think multiple occasions I have said that it was S/W not H/W. Everyone then puts it back in my face by saying its the back cover and Asus new about these issues and released the tablets anyways. Now if this source is correct, then I get to say the biggest I told ya so.
W ell, i dont know those journos who tested the tf700 (CES or you tube) didnt test the gps with wifi off. Even with lock, precision is like 60-200ft indoors an d forget about when moving fast in a train (do plan your trip in advnce or rent a car with gps...
Happy with the primeotherwise.
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so what you are trying to tell me is that....
there's a horse working for asus that has a tf700 in possession?!?!?
AND THAT IT CAN SPEAK?!!?
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The famous Mr. ED!
$10 says the TF700 he tested is just a prototype. Maybe they just slapped a new screen and a piece of electric tape on the TF201 in time for CES :X
If this is all true (and I desperately hope that it is), then I think I prefer the current prime to the TF700. IMHO the aesthetics of the spun metal back outweigh any alleged wifi/gps improvement and 1080 res at the cost of an ugly anodized whatever back panel.
TF201 FTW?
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I think multiple occasions I have said that it was S/W not H/W. Everyone then puts it back in my face by saying its the back cover and Asus new about these issues and released the tablets anyways. Now if this source is correct, then I get to say the biggest I told ya so.
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The GPS is a back issue the firmware is most likely whats causing issues like locking up and lines on the screen.
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so what you are trying to tell me is that....
there's a horse working for asus that has a tf700 in possession?!?!?
AND THAT IT CAN SPEAK?!!?
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you made me laugh. that was a good one. I needed that..lol
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So would you say this is the reason some primes work with ICS and others dont?
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although it wasnt directly stated, this would make perfect sense though. Obviously some older primes that had old stuff on it wasn't supposed to ship out because majority of devices have newer firmware on it. So if Asus is sending out ICS updates made for newer firmware and people with older ones is receiving it also, it would cause issues. Because the software is not meshing well with the older hardware or something to that sort.
good point to bring up. that issue needs to be addressed also.
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you made me laugh. that was a good one. I needed that..lol
although it wasnt directly stated, this would make perfect sense though. Obviously some older primes that had old stuff on it wasn't supposed to ship out because majority of devices have newer firmware on it. So if Asus is sending out ICS updates made for newer firmware and people with older ones is receiving it also, it would cause issues. Because the software is not meshing well with the older hardware or something to that sort.
good point to bring up. that issue needs to be addressed also.
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Well i dont want to Bragg but this is specifically what i already said was probably the reason in the iCS lockup thread
so now to see if they can get the firmware fixed before the TF700 comes out. any takers on bets?
Asus has a good reputation for putting out updates, but no one said this update is an easy one to patch in, if it is in fact just a firmware problem. hopefully it will come soon though.
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The famous Mr. ED!
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I bet it's just a regular Asus horse with peanut butter on its gums
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I think multiple occasions I have said that it was S/W not H/W. Everyone then puts it back in my face by saying its the back cover and Asus new about these issues and released the tablets anyways. Now if this source is correct, then I get to say the biggest I told ya so.
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I'm right along with you.
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W ell, i dont know those journos who tested the tf700 (CES or you tube) didnt test the gps with wifi off. Even with lock, precision is like 60-200ft indoors an d forget about when moving fast in a train (do plan your trip in advnce or rent a car with gps...
Happy with the primeotherwise.
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This wasn't no journalist. A high ranking person who works for Asus. He owns a Prime n knows howbto use it..lol
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The GPS is a back issue the firmware is most likely whats causing issues like locking up and lines on the screen.
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As seen the newer model with strip up top doesn't improve wifi and GPS all vs. the testers personal Prime. that being said his Prime worked fine and didn't have issues some users here experiencing. So it still can't be said the metal back is main cause of issue. The fact that the newer model didn't show better results then the guys personal Prime(which works perfectly) says alot.
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As seen the newer model with strip up top doesn't improve wifi and GPS all vs. the testers personal Prime. that being said his Prime worked fine and didn't have issues some users here experiencing.
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From your post, I don't know the specifics of the test or what "longer distances" even means...was he using some enhanced signal meter, or the bars on the tablet, or an app to gauge reception? You do know that wireless reception falls off on a decibel scale as you move further away from source, right? And that this may serve to keep the tablets "neck and neck" in an environment close to the source?
All in all, this gives me about as much reason to declare the 700 the equivalent of a Prime in terms of radio reception as it does to declare the Prime hopelessly outclassed...certainly not enough info from your post for a declarative of the former.
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thanks for the info... lets see if they turn into something real...
btw ask Mr X if Champange dock exist....
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wrong forum..
I have a hard time believing this for two reasons:
1) Why would Asus not fox the terribly awful GPS and lackluster WiFi in their next model?
2) Why would they add that ugly plastic strip on the top if it wasn't to improve the wireless signals?
These things just don't make any sense.
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-with that said, this person tested his personal TF-201 model against the new model, TF 700 and there was no improvements or better results in Wifi or GPS in the test area.
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Forgive me, I'm a little slow. But how can this in any way be construed as "good news?" By their own admission, Asus has confirmed the wireless issues with the Prime. Asus Taiwan also said that the new "non full metal back" tablet will resolve those issues. So if the TF700 performs the same as the Prime it seems that's a bad thing and a (second) fail on Asus' part. I guess in some abstract way it's good for current Prime owners but the impact on Asus as a company by releasing two devices with wireless issues back-to-back would be extremely negative. And why would they even bother going to the expense of redesigning the TF700's back cover and getting it recertified with the FCC if they were: A) happy with the current performance of the Prime, and B) didn't think it would correct an issue they've already acknowledged?
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Anandtech just updated their Asus Prime review.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5175/asus-transformer-prime-followup
It seems that the Prime has not one, but two WiFi antennas! The problem with the first samples ASUS sent to reviewers was one of those antennas not working.
So the great Anand Lal Shimpi himself is saying..
It turns out that the Eee Pad Transformer Prime features WiFi antenna diversity. We've talked about antenna diversity most often with reference to the cellular chain on Apple's iPhone 4 and 4S, but here it's present on the Prime's WiFi. There are two antennas on the Transformer Prime, one located on either side of the front facing camera. In the second Transformer Prime sample, one of the two wasn't working. In my third review sample, taken from the retail lot that's on its way to vendors this week, both were fully functional. The result is peak WiFi performance that is virtually identical to the original Eee Pad Transformer.
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Thanks and gold luck.
What are you referring to as "WiFi issue"? Sure, the retail ones are fixed but most of us aren't worried about getting Primes that have the malfunction. We trust that Asus won't release a product that has a malfunction. The "WiFi issue" we are worried about is how it has or will affect the dates/stock. We witnessed the delay in Canada and smaller retailers in the US. Ultimately, we believe Asus will fix the issue before selling them but we wonder what the cost of this fix was.
CyberPunk7t9 said:
Anandtech just updated their Asus Prime review.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5175/asus-transformer-prime-followup
It seems that the Prime has not one, but two WiFi antennas! The problem with the first samples ASUS sent to reviewers was one of those antennas not working.
So the great Anand Lal Shimpi himself is saying..
Thanks and gold luck.
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Haha, I told you guys, ASUS did NOT oversee the issue with the metal backplate
They knew (of course) about this all the time, so they added a second antenna to circumvent these problems
Good job ASUS!
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What are you referring to as "WiFi issue"? Sure, the retail ones are fixed but most of us aren't worried about getting Primes that have the malfunction. We trust that Asus won't release a product that has a malfunction. The "WiFi issue" we are worried about is how it has or will affect the dates/stock. We witnessed the delay in Canada and smaller retailers in the US. Ultimately, we believe Asus will fix the issue before selling them but we wonder what the cost of this fix was.
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Well said. Thank you.
I used Asus PC motherboards for years myself and know how good their products/support is.
but seems some users were still worried and wanted to give them the heads up.
Good to hear!
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Diamondback2010 said:
Haha, I told you guys, ASUS did NOT oversee the issue with the metal backplate
They knew (of course) about this all the time, so they added a second antenna to circumvent these problems
Good job ASUS!
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Well, one way or another, this might not actually be what some people are reporting. People who have a 'weaker WiFi signal' may actually have the device without that problem. Problem is that multiple WiFi issues have been reported. For one, heavily fluctuating signal that is is a better sign of a flawed antenna. Weak signal, however, not and may simply be the result of how Prime is built.
It's a fact that WiFi signal would be stronger if Prime was not built the way it is. Half a decent laptop will still outperform Prime. I just hope that the signal is better than it was on my previous latptop (that had plastic body).
We will not really know until next week. I don't mind a weaker WiFi, personally, but I am using it in places where WiFi is below average and if it fails in those areas I hope that it at least holds onto the signal.
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We will not really know until next week. I don't mind a weaker WiFi, personally, but I am using it in places where WiFi is below average and if it fails in those areas I hope that it at least holds onto the signal.
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This is what is worrying me.
I barely manage a signal with my TF101. What chance will the Prime have I ask myself?
Lets hope the debbi downers n trollers see this. Forum doesn't need any more threads worrying about wifi issues. One of the main reviewers that had issues has figured out why. Plus they said the issue is fixed in retail units. Im optimistic my prime won't have issues. Plus this was still more so an isolated event. With both antennaes working properly, the Prime should get great reception.
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They also said the unit with both antennaes working, had wifi quality/strength virtually identical to original transformer.
Plus wifi test showed it has one of the best wifi setups out there. Came in 3rd out of all tablets. Way better than ipad 2
take that negative nancy's.
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They also said the unit with both antennaes working, had wifi quality/strength virtually identical to original transformer.
Plus wifi test showed it has one of the best wifi setups out there. Came in 3rd out of all tablets. Way better than ipad 2
take that negative nancy's.
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This sounds promising, but who said that it has 'one of the best wifi setups out there'? Was there an article or test conducted? I still remain skeptical. I am sure Asus has fixed the malfunctioning antennae issue though and maybe the other problems can be helped by firmware and other software updates. I don't care if WiFi is weaker than usual, but I would be annoyed if it fluctuates heavily.
And does anyone know if the dock boost WiFi in any way? Has there been tests with and without the dock?
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This sounds promising, but who said that it has 'one of the best wifi setups out there'? Was there an article or test conducted? I still remain skeptical. I am sure Asus has fixed the malfunctioning antennae issue though and maybe the other problems can be helped by firmware and other software updates. I don't care if WiFi is weaker than usual, but I would be annoyed if it fluctuates heavily.
And does anyone know if the dock boost WiFi in any way? Has there been tests with and without the dock?
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I meant based on that wifi comparison test of all or most major tablets. The chart near end of article. It really tied for second.
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http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/15/...romised?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/15/...romised?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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We are literally 4 days away from their announced launch. Their last response only a few days ago was it was still on track even if they choose to not mention in limited quantities. It would be bad PR to backtrack at this point or have next Monday arrive and then they announce a delay. It's safe to say US launch is next week. UK was supposed to be next year anyways and I assume they grouped Italy with them. Also delayed Canada to shift product to US.
Anyways thanks for the link OP. I'm once again excited for this tablet with only 4 days left. I hope newegg ships next week as well. As far as lingering issues. It's confirmed throughput will be just fine. In most use scenarios your reception will be fine no matter how you hold it. Range is the only thing but its not horrible by any means. So if you already have poor WiFi reception you may want to look into a repeater or a more powerful wireless router. Whichever one makes sense for you're scenario.
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http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/15/...romised?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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This is not really a 'delay' in Europe, it was never supposed to be released in Europe in December anyway, there was no announcement. And it makes sense for Asus to take a breather and launch with ICS in Europe, which helps sales, since they can 'announce' it, differently from just launching something with a delay. It also gives Asus to build up stock for the launch.
It's a smart call by Asus from marketing standpoint, though it does technically push the European release a little.
I still would have preferred for launch in Europe and US simultaneously, but I can understand why Asus is kind-of limited in that regard.
He actually has a really good video review, it has a lot of salient points. I am really starting to wonder how this thing is going to stack up to Krait when it comes out.
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And does anyone know if the dock boost WiFi in any way? Has there been tests with and without the dock?
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The dock won't affect the signal as it does not contain any antennas or circuitry that can interfere with the signal.
It's great to see something resolved that I'd never given much thought to. I've been using ASUS products since 1992, and I've never had concerns about quality on any of the 11 or so Motherboards I've used.
My main concern now is just GETTING the darn thing. I sold my Transformer TF101 before ordering the Prime, and Tablet withdrawals are starting to get to me!
CyberPunk7t9 said:
Anandtech just updated their Asus Prime review.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5175/asus-transformer-prime-followup
It seems that the Prime has not one, but two WiFi antennas! The problem with the first samples ASUS sent to reviewers was one of those antennas not working.
So the great Anand Lal Shimpi himself is saying..
Thanks and gold luck.
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Here is the WiFi chart from this article showing the PRIME performance which is BETTER than the iPad2 for WiFi transfer speed
Thanks for the post.
Paraphrasing the video re: WIFI, it says the two antennas increase download speed, so that issue is covered. The WIFI range is still a little less than many tablets because it's an Aluminum body without any built in window for WIFI antennas. Unless you added some kindof plastic window to the tablet design, the " all aluminum " body will always bring down the WIFI range a bit.
But: shouldn't be an issue that will be noteworthy in overwhelming majority of tablet users. Prime is still the one to get.
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It's great to see something resolved that I'd never given much thought to. I've been using ASUS products since 1992, and I've never had concerns about quality on any of the 11 or so Motherboards I've used.
My main concern now is just GETTING the darn thing. I sold my Transformer TF101 before ordering the Prime, and Tablet withdrawals are starting to get to me!
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I know what you mean I sold mines too
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Been following HHGregg thread and have noticed everyone from there has less or no bleed, no ICS lockup issues, better WiFi range, and possibly better GPS signal. I know hands down it was much better then the one I got from Gamestop on Dec 23.
So if this is true like it appears to be don't tell me Asus didn't totally **** the bed on QualityControl and just rushed that **** out initially and while we are at it they MUST be using different hardware or firmware versions of something in the newer Primes.
Can this be confirmed with any other HHGregg customers and what are your serial batches?
Yeah.. a new firmware update was released recently, today. Ta-da... most, if not, all of my problems with asus prime ar gone .
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On a roll here this could be good news for future Primes.
Can you link to the selling page? cant find the item on their site...
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Can you link to the selling page? cant find the item on their site...
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you missed the boat bro they had them up last week for 2 hours for $399 price blunder and took them down not sure if they plan to sell again after that mishap.
wasnt that the open box primes? i remember a thread about cheap open boxed primes earlier...
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wasnt that the open box primes? i remember a thread about cheap open boxed primes earlier...
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Lol nope, brand-spanking new TF201s!
I got mine from them and am very satisfied overall. Everything works flawlessly so far. My GPS doesn't register half the satellites that my SG2 can but I don't mind. I still have not received the new GPS OTA update that everybody seems to be getting. I can't wait to get this update to see if my GPS improves
HHGregg prime owner here. Mine definitely has backlight bleed. Everything else works the same as it did with the one I bought at best buy. No improvement here.
Who is to say updates alone didn't make them better? how will you differentiate that?
I have Gamestop prime. No bleeds, lockup issues, great wifi etcc...n I have one of the first batches from 12/22. It is true some primes have different hardware or wifi cards in them. We won't know exactly which ones until Gary updates with some kind of chart or something showing which serial numbers have older hardware in them.
Jatkins, are u keeping your unit or are you trying to exchange? Mine had blacklight bleed that's driving me nuts
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Jatkins, are u keeping your unit or are you trying to exchange? Mine had blacklight bleed that's driving me nuts
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Exchanging. I talked to the manager at my local store yesterday. I just have to wait for stock.
I think I will call today and ask about an exchange. too bad there isn't a store around here. Did he mention when they would be getting more? Based on it being gone from their site I was worried they wouldn't ever get more
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I think I will call today and ask about an exchange. too bad there isn't a store around here. Did he mention when they would be getting more? Based on it being gone from their site I was worried they wouldn't ever get more
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He said the next purchase order was sometime around the 25th. I'm not sure whether he meant that I'm going to get one of those or not. One thing I specifically asked about and he confirmed was that if it took longer than the 30 days I have to return for them to get me a replacement, he would still honor it.
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Who is to say updates alone didn't make them better? how will you differentiate that?
I have Gamestop prime. No bleeds, lockup issues, great wifi etcc...n I have one of the first batches from 12/22. It is true some primes have different hardware or wifi cards in them. We won't know exactly which ones until Gary updates with some kind of chart or something showing which serial numbers have older hardware in them.
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All I am saying if NONE of the Primes from HHGregg has the reboot with ICS issue that tells us something...... patch hasn't fixed that yet.
I would think those that voted with problems would specify what or why looks like people may be just voting falsely
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I would think those that voted with problems would specify what or why looks like people may be just voting falsely
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I voted for minor issues, because mine has screen bleed lining the right side of the screen. If it was only visible during boot up or at max brightness it would be okay, but the only way for me to avoid seeing it on a black background is to have brightness around 25%. To me, not being able to have the brightness around 50% really feels limiting. I am on the fence about whether or not to exchange, honestly it will depend on how soon they are getting more.
I have heard some people here say that blacklight bleed on the top right is on every transformer, or you cant avoid blacklight bleed with an IPS screen, but I must completely disagree. Clearly, there are plenty of people who received "Perfect" TFP's without any light bleed at all.
I ask myself if i could live with the blacklight bleed, and I am not really sure. Then I ask myself if I would risk the exchange for the chance of getting a "perfect" one (which in my mind would include blacklight bleed to the extent of ONLY seeing it on bootup), and my answer is unequivocally, yes.
For those of you who say you can only see the bleed at bootup, does this mean if you open the app drawer (so the right side of the screen is black), do you see the light bleed? Mine is totally obvious unless the brightness is all the way down (which, hilariously, is what "autobrightness" does)
I'll post pictures later tonight for opinions
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Been following HHGregg thread and have noticed everyone from there has less or no bleed, no ICS lockup issues, better WiFi range, and possibly better GPS signal. I know hands down it was much better then the one I got from Gamestop on Dec 23.
So if this is true like it appears to be don't tell me Asus didn't totally **** the bed on QualityControl and just rushed that **** out initially and while we are at it they MUST be using different hardware or firmware versions of something in the newer Primes.
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The BJ's order was also very recent and I've heard no complaints from that thread. Mine came from there and is pristine.
got mine yesterday, after the firmware update, it shows the camera firmware update needed, and it won't update the camera firmware! no idea how to fix that.
small light bleeding on right hand side, not noticible unless i look for it
I like the TF201 because I want a tablet with a docking keyboard AND because its thin, light and has excellent battery.
Here are my questions:
1. Is there any other tablet with a good keyboard dock? I dont want bluetooth ones that drain the battery.
2. There has been news about the aluminum back causing WiFi issues. Is this true? (I dont care about GPS).
Please answer these questions and I think I would know whether to buy the tablet or not. The news about all the issues is a little scary and mixed reviews dont help. So I need to hear from real users and get some opinions.
I have the regular Transformer (not Prime) and it is pretty much identical in form factor.
I love mine, but my Prime is at the local UPS and will be delivered tomorrow. I'm giving my original Transformer to my wife, but am very reluctant to part with it before my keyboard comes in. I've gotten spoiled.
So if the form factor is what you're primarily interested in, you can save $100 or so by going with the OG Transformer. The only real difference is the Prime is a Tegra 3 SoC (4 cores +1) and the OG is a Tegra 2 (2 cores).
Buy PRIME!! Tegra 3 >> Tegra 2 for only 100$!
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Buy PRIME!! Tegra 3 >> Tegra 2 for only 100$!
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And roll the dice on quality control issues.
I'm not telling him NOT to do it, but I am advising him to make an informed decision. Buying a Prime 4 months from now, after the GPS and WiFi issues have been resolved (now that we know to curse the pogo pins) would be a much smarter move. Especially if he has someone to bequeath the OG Transformer to.
Or w8 for 2 months ans buy whatever awesome 4core comes out!
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I like the TF201 because I want a tablet with a docking keyboard AND because its thin, light and has excellent battery.
Here are my questions:
1. Is there any other tablet with a good keyboard dock? I dont want bluetooth ones that drain the battery.
2. There has been news about the aluminum back causing WiFi issues. Is this true? (I dont care about GPS).
Please answer these questions and I think I would know whether to buy the tablet or not. The news about all the issues is a little scary and mixed reviews dont help. So I need to hear from real users and get some opinions.
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You'll mostly hear the bad stuff on here, not many people post when things are good, and mostly from early batches.
No issues with mine (UK) other than rubbish GPS.
Wifi solid. Screen perfect. Browser fine. ICS lovely and smooth.
BUY. IT. NOW!
+1 ^ btw anyone knows of a site with low price? Wanna get this this thing
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WAIT!!
I can only tell you that I am waiting until more of the bugs are worked out, and only if then, will I consider repurchasing the TF201.
It appears from this forum that Asus is already shipping the 3rd revision of this product and still has issues. My wife ordered mine for Christmas and it didn't arrive until after the new year. I couldn't wait to receive it and was frustrated that others were receiving theirs while I was still waiting. When I finally received it, I thought I lucked out receiving the 2nd HW revision, however I was disappionted with wifi performance and the browser kept locking up. I tried contacting Asus support but could not get a response. How Asus handled the GPS issue by repackaging the product without GPS support gave me concern that they would handle other issues in a similar manner, such as low wifi performance. I ended up returning the TF201 while I still could as that path was easier than trying to escalate my issues at Asus and potentially never have my issues fixed.
Even with these problems, I am continuing to monitor this board in hopes that the situation improves, Asus fixes the issues, and puts in a support system. Currently all support seems to be handled by one marketing manager who is making posts on this board. If the TF201 issues can be resovled, the product has the potential of being a great tablet. Sooner or later I will either repurchase the TF201 or purchase something else that comes along.
I hope this was helpful.
Good Luck
I am on the same boat as you guys, been monitoring this forum for several months and just waiting for the right time to get the Prime, i wont be staying in the US long enought to get the T700 nor the Lenovo/Acer tablet unless they will start selling in early March..
As far as I know there is no other tablet that has the nice matching dock like this(other than the original transformer).
I would buy one when you can find it at a local Best Buy or somewhere with a similar return policy. Try it out for a day and return it if you don't like it. I promise if you get one without problems you will love it.
I use my dock maybe 10% of the time and usually it's just as a portable battery charger. I thought I would use it all the time but have found I enjoy sitting on the couch with the tablet alone in a nice case. I am glad I got the dock but the more I use the tablet the more I realize I would probably still be happy without it. I had to buy 4 Primes to get a good one, they all had screen issues (not screen bleed but other issues). So the fact I don't use the dock too much will probably influence my next tablet purchase....it most likely won't be an ASUS. I have had good luck with Samsung and HTC phones so I will look there first. Having said that, it is the best tablet available right now if you get a good one.
Yep. . . follow the thread on the GPS Contact issues. This POGO connector issue is, imho, a design problem that is going to make it possible/likely that GPS and WIFI will be troublesome. These connectors make it easy for movement, corrosion, etc. to create new problems at random times.
I sold my Galaxy Tab 10.1 so I could purchase the TP but about to return it for the following reasons:
1. Wifi/GPS/Bluetooth issues. A quick search will tell you all you need about this.
2. Screen issues - I have backlight bleeding and several stuck pixels. Doesn't seem uncommon for this device and didn't experience this at all on my GTab. Also, I prefer the more vibrant screen on the GTab.
3. Only one speaker. This is a usability issue for me where you have to adjust your grip on the tab in order to not affect the sound level/quality.
For me, these combined are deal breakers. If none of these bother you, then I'd say buy it because aside from the issues I mentioned, its a well constructed tablet that has amazing performance (Tegra3 and ICS are killer) and has all the inputs you'll need.
I'll drop in and say.. go for it. I haven't had any huge issues with my [CG] Prime. I suppose I got lucky with the all the quality control issues (it arrived about a week ago [via Amazon], I'd guess my unit is byond the first batch and Asus has started to address the issues). I just got my [CG] dock yesterday [via TigerDirect], and I love having both.
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I sold my Galaxy Tab 10.1 so I could purchase the TP but about to return it for the following reasons:
1. Wifi/GPS/Bluetooth issues. A quick search will tell you all you need about this.
2. Screen issues - I have backlight bleeding and several stuck pixels. Doesn't seem uncommon for this device and didn't experience this at all on my GTab. Also, I prefer the more vibrant screen on the GTab.
3. Only one speaker. This is a usability issue for me where you have to adjust your grip on the tab in order to not affect the sound level/quality.
For me, these combined are deal breakers. If none of these bother you, then I'd say buy it because aside from the issues I mentioned, its a well constructed tablet that has amazing performance (Tegra3 and ICS are killer) and has all the inputs you'll need.
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Ok, here I go....
1. Wifi/GPS/BT issues: Wifi/BT is currently being fixed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1443868
Gary key(Asus Rep) informed us that there are 2 different solutions being worked on and would be early Feb for a fix. Most likely through firmware update. GPS works! Searching will lead you to of course more negetive posts then positives. People seek answers to there issues! So finding posts like... I love my Prime woo hoo! is harder to come by because people don't generally posts Positive things.
2. Screen issues: All tablets are victums to this. It's not just the Prime. I had a SGT 10.1 that I returned for the Prime. It had Screen bleeding and stuck pixels!
3. Only one Speaker: wrong there is 2 speakers and they are stereo speakers. Actually much louder and more vibrent then the origenal Transformer.
If you take the time to read and search for answers. You will often find that it isn't that big of an issue. More people are satisfied with their Primes. Go ahead and return your prime. I'm sure you'll regreat it down the line. If not good for you.
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Ok, here I go....
1. Wifi/GPS/BT issues: Wifi/BT is currently being fixed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1443868
Gary key(Asus Rep) informed us that there are 2 different solutions being worked on and would be early Feb for a fix. Most likely through firmware update. GPS works! Searching will lead you to of course more negetive posts then positives. People seek answers to there issues! So finding posts like... I love my Prime woo hoo! is harder to come by because people don't generally posts Positive things.
2. Screen issues: All tablets are victums to this. It's not just the Prime. I had a SGT 10.1 that I returned for the Prime. It had Screen bleeding and stuck pixels!
3. Only one Speaker: wrong there is 2 speakers and they are stereo speakers. Actually much louder and more vibrent then the origenal Transformer.
If you take the time to read and search for answers. You will often find that it isn't that big of an issue. More people are satisfied with their Primes. Go ahead and return your prime. I'm sure you'll regreat it down the line. If not good for you.
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I'm well informed on this tablet and its issues and not really concerned whether or not others are satisfied with their device. My decision is based on how well the device works for me.
RE: #1 - I've been following that thread and not willing to gamble my $500 on an expected fix 'sometime in February'. No guarantee it will come in that timeframe, nor that it will fix it when it does come.
RE: #2 - I've read many more reports of screen issues on the TP than GT. Also, while I like the screen on the TP, I feel the GT has a better one.
RE: #3 - The TP has stereo speakers but only projects the audio from one side of the tablet. Put your hand in the wrong spot and you will find the audio quality degraded. Not the best design choice.
To the OP...as I've said before, this is a nice tablet. These issues were dealbreakers for me, but you need to decide for yourself.
@jjdevega - Enjoy your tablet and good luck with the Wifi.
Thanks a lot for all the replies. Here is what I can conclude.
1. Only the transformer and transformer prime have the keyboard dock and battery. No other tablet does this.
2. Issues are mixed. Some got lucky, some got the bad one.
Purchase dates from people would be helpful to track if issues are resolved in later units. If so, at what point in time.
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You'll mostly hear the bad stuff on here, not many people post when things are good, and mostly from early batches.
No issues with mine (UK) other than rubbish GPS.
Wifi solid. Screen perfect. Browser fine. ICS lovely and smooth.
BUY. IT. NOW!
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Thats all I need! Thanks.
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I'll drop in and say.. go for it. I haven't had any huge issues with my [CG] Prime. I suppose I got lucky with the all the quality control issues (it arrived about a week ago [via Amazon], I'd guess my unit is byond the first batch and Asus has started to address the issues). I just got my [CG] dock yesterday [via TigerDirect], and I love having both.
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Thanks. Looks like you have the latest revision and things seem to be fixed.
I bought mine few days ago and I feel like I have one of the newer revisions, I have no issues with anything. If you buy one now that you are sure of is unopened and new stock you will prolly be fine.
I just received my first TP today, and I should be getting my second sometime next week. No issues at all with my current one. I'm actually trading my 16GB Tab 10.1 and some cash for a second Prime to try Roms and whatnot once they start showing up.
I say go for it. If you don't like it, return it.
Buy it. If you like it, keep it. If you don't like it, return it.
It's really that simple.
I bought it. I like it. So I kept it
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Buy it. If you like it, keep it. If you don't like it, return it.
It's really that simple.
I bought it. I like it. So I kept it
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Yep, well put, that's how it works best.
Seen this on MobileTechReview Youtube site. Thought I would share.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MobileTechReview?blend=1&ob=video-mustangbase#p/u/0/vgx2Kpfi-Ps
Just talking about pressure points on Asus prime and possible that the
pogo pins used weren't making contact on some. interesting...
And I knows its been talked about on few threads.
If you know it's being talked about in another thread then why would you create a new one ?
Well well well....lmfao the cat is out the hat now....some people are so damn simple minded and can't see that this was a real possibility...now the proof is pointing more towards this being the reason for wifi/GPS issues than the backplate. Note how she said after that press all wireless signals greatly increased..that her wifi was easily on par with all her other wireless devices. Now her GPS is picking up satellites like crazy.
THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS OP! Further proof now.
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If you know it's being talked about in another thread then why would you create a new one ?
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No, this video needs it own thread as to Garner more attention. Video would get lost in other thread. Plus with other complaint threads out there all the same, this won't hurt.
This is great news! Definitaly worth a try. Though my Wifi/GPs is working fine
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If you know it's being talked about in another thread then why would you create a new one ?
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Because meathead, there have been guesses as part of a GPS threads but this is a solid link to a reputable site and this is the sole purpose of the thread. Don't read it and troll on.
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Because meathead, there have been guesses as part of a GPS threads but this is a solid link to a reputable site and this is the sole purpose of the thread. Don't read it and troll on.
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Ha, whatever.
That is probably what was wrong with my first transformer prime unit that I returned to Office Depot. It had great working wifi for about a week and then it suddenly started having the wifi problems that have been reported by others. I suspect that the antenna connection had come loose. My replacement prime has been doing great with wifi so far just like my first one did in the beginning. I've had it for about two weeks now.
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Well well well....lmfao the cat is out the hat now
THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS OP! Further proof now. OLO
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Do you ever consider a source before going on a tear? "Lisa" is PDXGal from this forum. She's just parotting back what she learned here. I don't know her qualifications but I've seen some of her other reviews and she's not a h/w engineer. In other words, her video affirms what's been discussed and is hardly "breaking news" or technical verification from someone more qualified than we are.
I take it that this is not considered a permanent fix....
unfortunately, this hasn't improved my wifi connection at all. i've been squeezing my prime all day and still, my sgs2 blows the prime out of the water in every location that i've tested. same goes for our 2 year old samsung laptop.
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I take it that this is not considered a permanent fix....
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I wouldn't even consider it a "fix" as much as confirmation of a problem. A fix would involve Asus admitting there's a design issue affecting at least some devices and coming up with a solution that addresses it. So far there's been no word from Asus (PM's via forum members don't count) acknowledging there's even a problem.
Holy ****..that actually work. I never ever have a gps signal before and after i did that push .. i actually got 7 satellite lock...
How bout we use C clamps as a permanent fix. lol. Man this is one tablet I love and hate.
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I wonder if she got the anandtech info from here about the pogo connectors and the bending technique and came up with her own technique.
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Do you ever consider a source before going on a tear? "Lisa" is PDXGal from this forum. She's just parotting back what she learned here. I don't know her qualifications but I've seen some of her other reviews and she's not a h/w engineer. In other words, her video affirms what's been discussed and is hardly "breaking news" or technical verification from someone more qualified than we are.
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I know who she is..lol plus we already had a h/w engineer come in other thread and said this might likely be the reason also.
The video is just another form of proof another member tried a so called fix n seemed to improve wifi n GPS reception. There's been slot of people lately who tried this and seemed to work. There's no definitive proof on anything. Even the backplate. Asus didn't flat out admit Backplate was the "SOLE" cause of wireless issue. They said its a possibility. Now this is a new possibility also which reared its head. Which is seeming looking more n more convincing and makes logical sense. Its not that hard to envision actually. If some units actually have loose or faulty connections then it can't get any worse for wireless performance then that. METal backplate won't mean anything if the dang signals can't even be generated or very poor from poor contact of the pogo pin. Signal is generated first, then it has to deal with going thru metal backplate. Therefore, Pogo pins possibly being faulty on some or alot of devices is alot more important/crucial to affecting wireless performance vs. Just a backplate alone. This is not difficult to comprehend.
ONE thing though, if this pin thing holds out to be true, No Software fix will overcome that or make it better. IF its only the backplate, then further updates can still be released to further improve GPS "AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE"
I don't get why she didn't post a video of her applying this method. Anyone else have video showing it works?
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Seen this on MobileTechReview Youtube site. Thought I would share.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MobileTechReview?blend=1&ob=video-mustangbase#p/u/0/vgx2Kpfi-Ps
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Thanks for the link to the video. Unfortunately in watching the video I seemed to be experiencing deja vu as this information was already presented to us in an earlier post.
It would have been nice to see the improvements in wifi and GPS reception in the video other than anecdotal evidence presented.
Got 12 satellites outside. How many fixed satellites? SNR strength?
Wifi analyzer -> dbm strength before? after?
So ...
bad aluminum back plate
bad antenna connectors (pogo pins)
bad drivers (GPS, wifi/BT)
GPS / wifi / wifi-BT -> still broken not fixed.
there was not a before and after shot of wifi reception using wifi meter or even "during" testing and no mention of signal levels before or after, which I found a bit odd and seemed to rely upon a speedtest. AFAIR she also talked about a number of routers (which I took to read as in her block of flats)
I tried this on my prime which and found that it did not improve signal levels which were on the 60db level and when I pressed on said areas the signal actually fell before returning to the previous level, but I have been playing a bit of pinball recently and the best method I have found for that game would involve a bit of squeezing in said areas anyway...so not a very good test in my circumstances..
I am due to receive a new gold prime on Monday which will be from a later build (I Think) and it will be interesting to compare primes.
But I do agree that the connectors do look as if they can contribute to weak signals and also have the potential to deteriorate over time, and it would involve just a tad too much effort to run a bit of wire wool or suchlike to clean up the connection.
wow i don't know if this really helped or not because i never really test my gps before, but i'm getting 14 satellites!! outside my house within a min.
This isn't really a clear cut result...
I am at the edge of my wireless reception at my house and my download speeds varied from 6MB to 16MB sitting in the same spot running the test over and over. Ping of about 38.
Wifi analyzer actually has me getting a stronger signal than my phone, but my phone gets more stable results from 12MB to 16 MB. Ping of about 50.
This certainly isn't a result of a loose connection, because the wifi analyzer has my tablet getting a stronger connection than my phone, yet the speed is a lot more varied.
Going to try my first post here... I have both the 101 and the 201. Been concentrating on the GPS problem - last night took both out on the deck and ran GPS test. 9 of 9 lock on the 101, and 9 of 13 on the 201, but at about 3/4 the signal strength. Still 9 of 9 on the 101 when i brought them inside, and 0 on the 201, although a few flashed. Thought it might be the case, but read a whack post somewhere about putting a cell in an aluminum pot and uncovering it quickly after some time to see if it lost signal. For kicks I did this with a heavy aluminum calphalon pot with my trusty thunderbolt (thick aluminum case) and after 15 mins it still hadn't lost even one satellite! The 201 sitting next to the rig never did more than flash one or two. At this point I really think the case is not the issue. Did the squeezy thing tonight, put the 201 and the 101 on the coffee table, and the 101 got its lock on 9 of 9, and the 201 got 8 of 8! At 2/3 the signal this time, but better than 0 the night before.
Conclusions, anyone? Hope this post is OK - scared to death with all the rules here...
Alright so, here's where I'm at.
I've been watching the development thread for the prime here on xda, and I am really anxious to start using custom ROMs.
However, I have been waiting patiently for ASUS to do something like they've claimed they are about to- order replacement parts to fix many of the issues (wifi, gps, etc) users are reporting. I've never had strong complaints about the prime in any aspect, but that would be awesome if there was widespread improvement in primes with these replacement parts.
Is there anyone else waiting to unlock their bootloader to see if these parts show significant improvement in the prime? Should I continue waiting or dive right into those tempting ROMs? All opinions are welcome, but I am not interested in hearing anything regarding ipads (or other devices).
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Alright so, here's where I'm at.
I've been watching the development thread for the prime here on xda, and I am really anxious to start using custom ROMs.
However, I have been waiting patiently for ASUS to do something like they've claimed they are about to- order replacement parts to fix many of the issues (wifi, gps, etc) users are reporting. I've never had strong complaints about the prime in any aspect, but that would be awesome if there was widespread improvement in primes with these replacement parts.
Is there anyone else waiting to unlock their bootloader to see if these parts show significant improvement in the prime? Should I continue waiting or dive right into those tempting ROMs? All opinions are welcome, but I am not interested in hearing anything regarding ipads (or other devices).
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I think you misunderstood the replacement part incident.
It's only for the few unit with Wifi/BT problem and is on a case by case situation, not all Unit will get the fix, and it's not new hardware either.
There is no fix for the GPS, nor will there be replacement, and there is nothing about a new back case or now wifi hardware modification.
"the actual fix is just ensuring that the hardware utilized in current units is performing to tested standards. Basically to ensure this level of compliance we are replacing components within the WiFi subsystem on an as needed basis and then testing the units before shipment."
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1537260
Has anyone said what "tested standards" are? I'm just curious to see if how I perceive my prime is within standards or defective. I ask this because I'm being cautious to unlock and flash custom roms as well. I feel that my wifi is weak at times and I would appreciate a semi-functional gps... I don't intend to use the device for navigation or anything.
honestly, i have voted not to unlock.
Considering the somewhat spotty quality control issues many are finidng and how if you have any issues your on your own after unlocking, i dont think its worth the risk.
If the tablet was a samsung, which i have faith using Odin i can unbrick nearly anything, i'd say have at er no problem, however Asus has had some issues dealing with the GPS fallout, various wifi bluetooth issues, and after opening a prime myself and seeing first hand how simple oversights can cause big issues, no thanks.
At this point the development community does not seem large enough and does not offer enough rewards to risk me losing my manufacturer warrenty.
Perhaps in a few months that will change, but for now im sticking with locked.
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Has anyone said what "tested standards" are? I'm just curious to see if how I perceive my prime is within standards or defective. I ask this because I'm being cautious to unlock and flash custom roms as well. I feel that my wifi is weak at times and I would appreciate a semi-functional gps... I don't intend to use the device for navigation or anything.
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No idea, but my guess, able to get wifi signal 30 feet from source, and GPS, able to see any Sat = Working
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I think you misunderstood the replacement part incident.
It's only for the few unit with Wifi/BT problem and is on a case by case situation, not all Unit will get the fix, and it's not new hardware either.
There is no fix for the GPS, nor will there be replacement, and there is nothing about a new back case or now wifi hardware modification.
"the actual fix is just ensuring that the hardware utilized in current units is performing to tested standards. Basically to ensure this level of compliance we are replacing components within the WiFi subsystem on an as needed basis and then testing the units before shipment."
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1537260
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Right, I read Gary's post, and he does say the repair departments will be getting shipments of hardware. Whether or not that hardware is different from what was originally shipped with the primes has not been stated. He only said they were getting parts to fix the problem. My prime does show a significant dropout in wifi when connected to bluetooth, and that is one of the areas ASUS is working to fix. GPS is just a hopeful.
There is also so much variation with each prime, it is difficult to tell whether or not many of them are performing to expected standards.
I have avoided anything that will potentially prevent the RMA process, but will probably unlock, root and load a custom ROM when I've exhausted all the other avenues. Or when the warranty expires, which every comes first.
I've been waiting for all the details to be worked out. Looks like the best case is what Gary is setting up at the repair centers.
I just, today, send my data into the service center for the repair or possible replacement. I use my Prime every day and will actually have to change my work process for every day the unit is gone. I have come dependent on it
I would lean toward not unlocking at this time... giving your Prime more time to display any flaws.
This is from someone who has already unlocked and loaded a very nice custom ROM. I am quite happy with my Prime. I have never even tried wi-fi with bluetooth on, so that could very well be an issue for me. I may get lucky, but, then again, my Prime could start acting up tomorrow, and I would be out of luck.
A custom ROM will make your Prime operate a little more smoothly and faster. But, the Prime is a pretty high-powered machine and runs rather smoothly from the factory and is also quite fast. I do not think the extra speed is worth giving up your warranty so early.
Also, I'm pretty sure that us unlockers will get no help from Asus with future fixes, should they come around. I knew that going in.
Why did I unlock already? Well, I got into the excitement of unlocking and loading a custom ROM ... that kind of stuff is an absolute blast for me. Also, I would not lose much sleep, even if my Prime went belly-up tomorrow. I'd get another device (probably the TF300 when they come out) and move on ... maybe even getting a cheap little $200 tablet to tide me over in the mean time. I'm not normally a huge risk taker, but once in a while, I just have to go for it.
My general advice would be: If you are asking if you should unlock, don't!!!
(P.S.) The following made me laugh (thanks for that):
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All opinions are welcome, but I am not interested in hearing anything regarding ipads (or other devices).
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My general advice would be: If you are asking if you should unlock, don't!!!
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Ha I'm glad I could provide you with a laugh. Some days those can be sparse. A few years back, I unlocked my Nexus One the day i got it and never regretted it for a second. I know it is different with the prime, but I very much enjoy the options that become available after unlocking. I'll probably end up just leaving it since it is (like you said) already pretty darn fast to begin with. And, if I ever need it, I always have the option to overclock this baby to 1.6gHz on performance mode (since root doesn't require unlock).
I am not unlocking the Prime.
At this very moment, stock and custom roms do not differ that much. Running stock is smooth and stable. Custom roms do not offer anything that I must have that is not offered by stock.
My Galaxy S has been running ICS since I forgot when. Stock is still what? 2.3? Not sure and not care. If the prime is in a similar scenario it will be unlocked the second I can.
So, for now, no. I will not unlock the device.