Isn't it time to rearrange the forum a bit?
I can't find my way through all the [kernels] [mods] [devs] etc.
I opt for something like this for the development forums:
Galaxy S II Original Android Development
- Roms
- Kernels
- Mods
- Etc
Galaxy S II Android Development
- Roms
- Kernels
- Mods
- Etc
Galaxy S II Themes and Apps
- Apps
- Themes
What do you guys think?
Its already the same, all you have to do is search with the appropriate keyword.
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OP makes no sense here we have a question posted in the wrong forum .Making more work for the mods who have to move it to Q&A.
jje
Search bar is your Friend. as Bala said, its already arranged for easy search anyway.
personally instead of original development and android development id get rid of both and just have seperate sections for
Roms
Kernels
Themes
Greenie-UK said:
Search bar is your Friend. as Bala said, its already arranged for easy search anyway.
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I don't like the extra hassle of having to search, I'd rather have this big pile of everything organised.
skimminstones said:
personally instead of original development and android development id get rid of both and just have seperate sections for
Roms
Kernels
Themes
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Agree with this.
My preference would be to start off with a section purely for those that know nothing .After ten thousand posts in that section they are then allowed to read the FAQS and GUIDES for the more complicated stuff .
jje
how would you then classify a rom that has a custom kernel and custom themes, like the new ics.
it would fit into all three categories. Would you put a thread in each with the same subject ?
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how would you then classify a rom that has a custom kernel and custom themes, like the new ics.
it would fit into all three categories. Would you put a thread in each with the same subject ?
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No, it would go into the ROM thread as that is why people would be downloading it. No one downloads a whole Rom just for the kernel do they.
This is my opinion and not the opinion of XDA.
I'm all for formality and having things easier but then is it easier to complicate a user??
My answer would be yes you give people more options it leads to more confusion.
Such as still people not knowing what a development area is for posting in even though Q&A is just above ^^ or is it General this post goes in???
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Hi,
I would like to propose the creation of a central reference thread for each sub-forum within the X10mini/pro fora.
They would contain rules, how to search, basics, FAQs, links to rooting, tutorials/guides, mods, themes, apps,... with respect to the respective sub-forum.
To get an idea check e.g. Hero CDMA Android Dev.
This will hopefully
-help organizing the fora more clearly
-prevent the same questions coming up all over again
-provide a useful pool of up-to-date information for both new and experienced users
-reduce everyone's need to search for fundamental things
-negate the need to otherwise sticky so many threads that the fora are just becoming unclear and clogged
You would be responsible to propose threads kept for future reference.
Opinions pls.
Thx and Best, DK
i think we have a thread like the CDMA thread made by dettofatto. the only thing is that we have multiple threads on same topic which could be deleted
just checked them briefly and yes, very good and helpful, not stickied though
so referencing them would be a must but imo wouldn't contradict my proposal about the central thread...
still, that's just me and its about you...will therefore patiently wait for further comments on this
Ed. I can add a poll if you think that's more helpful/faster
Sounds good.. and while we are at it.. get people to stick to the threads.. put all Themes in the Themes and Apps thread (not in Development) keep DEV stuff in the Dev Thread etc.. perhaps add a Newbie Thread where newbs can ask for help with issues so they don't fill the other threads...
Why are there Themes in the Dev section?
But yes a reorg is needed.
Kiwi
My concern is create two separate forums for x10 mini and x10 mini pro
kiwiBratwurst said:
Sounds good.. and while we are at it.. get people to stick to the threads.. put all Themes in the Themes and Apps thread (not in Development) keep DEV stuff in the Dev Thread etc.. perhaps add a Newbie Thread where newbs can ask for help with issues so they don't fill the other threads...
Why are there Themes in the Dev section?
But yes a reorg is needed.
Kiwi
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unfortunately happens regularly, excuses are manyfold and it would be naive to think this project will prevent it
still should be well worth the effort
cleanup and heavy thread shifting will be done anyway, already started but due to time restriction only on the dev fora...but will be continued
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My concern is create two separate forums for x10 mini and x10 mini pro
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I assume you mean for all subfora and not only for dev?
are accessories, t&a and so on so different that one cannot be used for/is incompatible to the other device?
then I would talk to admin, so pls enlighten me
I think that is fine and useful to put all important sw,updates and guides in same thread and link discussions only to this thread, of course then each sw has own discussions for help and experiences.
I would like a forum reorg
i also think that there are too many simillar threads, some that are just questions and are very missleading sometimes, also in the wrong place, maybe a structure like
*general
--tutorials/findings/configs/etc
--questions
*developement
--e10i/u20i
---->findings/breakthroughs/tutorials
---->questions
--e10i specific
---->findings/breakthroughs/tutorials
---->questions
--u20i specific
---->findings/breakthroughs/tutorials
---->questions
*themes
--method tutorials
--themes postings
--questions
*requests
or something like that because a reorganization is in need
also i think that there should be a section for both mini and pro because they may be different in hardware, but many methods, apps and ideas frome one work on the other and i feel that sometimes we miss out on developement from one or the other
hi
thx all for the contribution, I waited some time hoping additional ones might be posted, but maybe all are happy with the current suggestions...or waiting for my response...
lets comment:
all devices get as default the layout
xx General
xx Development
xx Accessories
xx Themes & Apps
device specific we have the known two dev fora, one for e10i and one for u20i and I don't think I can convince admin to create another one for shared development
not that I don't see the potential advantage, but I assume "misuse" would dominate so I'm fine as it is
still I also considered it wise to provide a place to collect development results of any kind usable on both devices
so alternately you have to specify dual usage in the thread title and we can also create an additional thread with references on that
reaching certain criteria a separate Q&A can be added, which I personally like very much and will address to admin immediately when a fore mentioned criteria are fulfilled
so as mentioned we are bound to the general forum layout, but what we might achieve could be like this:
*general
---->tutorials/findings/configuration/requests/FAQs/troubleshooting/references/how to/etc
---->e.g. separate thread like "newbies questions here"
---->OT chat thread if you like
*accessories
---->all accessories (batteries, cases, screen protection,...)
*development
--e10i specific
---->development (non app, non theme)/findings/breakthroughs/tutorials/roms/guides/modifications
---->reference thread for everything proven working/usable on both devices
--u20i specific
---->development (non app, non theme)/findings/breakthroughs/tutorials/roms/guides/modifications
*themes and apps
---->method tutorials/themes postings/applications posting/screen shots/miscellaneous (like splash screens,...)
*questions&answers (hopefully soon)
---->for all the rest (when available)
not stating this is finalized but it should give a good idea
comments pls
Cheers, DK
Reorganize! Hellyah!
Reorganize! Hellyah!
I intend to start this weekend, because I won't find the time before, but it's scheduled...
sounds really good!
maybe creating at the theme section a difference for mini and pro, or does the most of them on both models?
I would like to see a Q&A section. It would be nothing but beneficial as a place for people to ask questions without cluttering the general thread.
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I would like to see a Q&A section. It would be nothing but beneficial as a place for people to ask questions without cluttering the general thread.
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I already requested it, it will be available as soon as site admin finds the time
I figured that, just throwing my .02 cents out there.
forum is good!but sometimes slows...
kobzarcheg said:
forum is good!but sometimes slows...
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care to elaborate on that?
it is nice...
we will have a new org?
PTGamer said:
we will have a new org?
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there already is as proposed in #1
pls explain in detail what you mean
Why are all of the sudden so many roms getting "deved" thanks to the flashaholics tool? Maybe it is just me, but I don't see the point in creating these threads when the flashaholics tool already has a thread and is super simple to use. I am just tired of people almost passing themselves as developers when all they have done is used an amazing tool given to us by ktoonsez.
Maybe I am the only one, but I am tired of these suedo-devs that have popped up this week. Ultimately running a hellraising utility on I-9100 roms does not deserve a new thread everytime it happens in my book and it is rather annoying to see all these threads popping up.
I assume that all of the threads that used flashaholics gave credit to the original rom developer and ktoonsez? If so of isn't a problem with me.
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As long as they give the proper credits to devs, i dont see any problem sharing hellraised roms.
This community is based on sharing, let them share the way they want to. In the end its better than nothing
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I agree, but it lessens the effort put forth by real devs. It took me nearly 20 solid hours of work to make my first ROM. I just think we should have a thread dedicated to "hellraised" ROMs and not clog up the dev forum where real ROMs should shine.
This is something that cropped up in the Infuse forums too, however it took a LOT longer for it to happen here than over there.
I think we may need to move to an approach like the I9100 forums - "original" development, and development.
The difference:
Hellraising another ROM that was not created by you is not by any means "original" - for the convenience of users it makes sense to offer these pre-integrated experiences, however, I think that these should be separated from actual original development, where the person releasing the ROM has started from a stock firmware base (whether I9100 or I777 stock firmware) and made their own modifications.
e.g.:
An I9100 firmware author Hellraises and releases here - they are the original developer of the firmware, so it is "original" even if it might not have met the I9100 forums' criteria of "original"
Someone deodexes and modifies a stock firmware - that's "original"
Someone Hellraises another person's firmware from the I9100 forums - not by any means "original"
Like that idea.
They should all put something in title that says flashaholic tool.. Some did that already.
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i'm on the fence about this.
On one hand, those threads are not necessary because I can use the flashaholics tool myself to flash those ROMs. On the other hand, that work is already done and it makes it that much easier to flash (this is mainly good for the newbs that dont feel comfortable using those tools and also good for the lazy people that know how to use the tool but dont feel like doing it themselves). As long as the OP gives the proper credit, I dont see a problem with it.
Those threads also create a place to talk about bugs related to the i777 however its not like anyone can fix them because the original dev is not monitoring that thread.
i'm not sure if a separate section for "original development" is really necessary but I can see why it might help.
Entropy512 said:
This is something that cropped up in the Infuse forums too, however it took a LOT longer for it to happen here than over there.
I think we may need to move to an approach like the I9100 forums - "original" development, and development.
The difference:
Hellraising another ROM that was not created by you is not by any means "original" - for the convenience of users it makes sense to offer these pre-integrated experiences, however, I think that these should be separated from actual original development, where the person releasing the ROM has started from a stock firmware base (whether I9100 or I777 stock firmware) and made their own modifications.
e.g.:
An I9100 firmware author Hellraises and releases here - they are the original developer of the firmware, so it is "original" even if it might not have met the I9100 forums' criteria of "original"
Someone deodexes and modifies a stock firmware - that's "original"
Someone Hellraises another person's firmware from the I9100 forums - not by any means "original"
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I really like this idea, it addresses my real concern of these hellraised threads clogging up actual dev space, as well as making it more obvious that the OP wasn't directly involved in development for it.
nyydynasty said:
i'm on the fence about this.
On one hand, those threads are not necessary because I can use the flashaholics tool myself to flash those ROMs. On the other hand, that work is already done and it makes it that much easier to flash (this is mainly good for the newbs that dont feel comfortable using those tools and also good for the lazy people that know how to use the tool but dont feel like doing it themselves). As long as the OP gives the proper credit, I dont see a problem with it.
Those threads also create a place to talk about bugs related to the i777 however its not like anyone can fix them because the original dev is not monitoring that thread.
i'm not sure if a separate section for "original development" is really necessary but I can see why it might help.
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This is kind of how I feel about it. As others stated, I don't have a major problem when proper credit is given. In part, I don't like the idea of a hellraised rom justifying a new thread, but on the other hand, it exposes me to a rom I might not have seen otherwise.
I think it would be better if there was a subforum for hellraised roms and nonoriginal work (i.e. the script threads or mod ports), and actual development (the OP is the actual creator of what's being shared).
Dont worry Guys, this is being delt with as we speak. All Hellraised and Flashaholic roms will be collected in one thread instead of having multiple threads.
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Dont worry Guys, this is being delt with as we speak. All Hellraised and Flashaholic roms will be collected in one thread instead of having multiple threads.
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Great move.
At least most of them don't have a donate link...
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Great move.
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This is the i777 forum. I dont see the need to have 14 i9100 hellraised threads. Its a good idea to have these hellraised roms so people can flash and try them, but we think its best to have them in one place instead of cluttering up the Dev forum.
Red5 said:
This is the i777 forum. I dont see the need to have 14 i9100 hellraised threads. Its a good idea to have these hellraised roms so people can flash and try them, but we think its best to have them in one place instead of cluttering up the Dev forum.
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Best. Moderator. Ever.
Red5 said:
Dont worry Guys, this is being delt with as we speak. All Hellraised and Flashaholic roms will be collected in one thread instead of having multiple threads.
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thanks Red!!
I like Entropys idea. Better to have a sub forum. Not throw em all in one thread.
Red5 said:
This is the i777 forum. I dont see the need to have 14 i9100 hellraised threads. Its a good idea to have these hellraised roms so people can flash and try them, but we think its best to have them in one place instead of cluttering up the Dev forum.
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That completely addresses the reason I opened this thread, thank you and please close this thread since there is no longer a need for it to be open since you are already dealing with the issue.
D3M3NT3D_L0RD said:
I like Entropys idea. Better to have a sub forum. Not throw em all in one thread.
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While this works well for the i9100 guys, we wont/dont have that many hellraised roms to warrant its own forum. The reason it works so well in the i9100 forums is because they have a lot going for original development (people creating/tweaking/maximizing firmwares) and the general development. Here we wont have too much going on once those roms are hellraised because they are already tweaked to begin with... so instead of having a separate forum, a single thread is going to be created to house all of the hellraised roms and then issues/questions can be asked/answered in that thread.
Also, I dont like the idea of having a separate i9100 forum under the i777 forum. For that matter, they can go post in the original i9100 thread.
Red5 said:
While this works well for the i9100 guys, we wont/dont have that many hellraised roms to warrant its own forum. The reason it works so well in the i9100 forums is because they have a lot going for original development (people creating/tweaking/maximizing firmwares) and the general development. Here we wont have too much going on once those roms are hellraised because they are already tweaked to begin with... so instead of having a separate forum, a single thread is going to be created to house all of the hellraised roms and then issues/questions can be asked/answered in that thread.
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I'm curious how you would keep that "hellraised roms" thread organized? Would you dedicate one person to update the first post for each new hellraised rom? Scanning through pages and pages, is not really ideal if you want to find a download link......just curious.
Dear Modes...
Is it possible to separate the Android Development forum to sub forums as GB roms & ICS roms.
Its becoming very crowdy and confusing now....
Hope someone is listening...
+ 1 yes, yes
I actually was thinking the same but, when ICS ROM gets officially released (probably in a few weeks), development will only be on ICS ROMs and GB ROMs will be a thing of the past.
But still, I would love to see separate space for ICS ROMs...
This is a great idea - MODS do it
Yet another poster who should know better and post in the correct section instead of messing the forums up with inane posts .
jje
+1
Great idea !
I don't think I've ever seen sub forums on XDA for separate OS iterations, so I doubt it.
By the way, this is a question probably more suited for PM or at the very least Q&A forum, definitely not Android Development...
1) Absolutely should not have had a thread created to pose this question.
2) I don't see the point of splitting the forum further purely along the lines of different Android versions. Having separate forums for the different variations of the SGS2 is fine/necessary, splitting the I9100/T forum into ICS & GB, meh.
all i think is things just need a bit of a cleanup,all the roms that have touch wiz and sammy stuff should go in the original android section and aosp themed roms and heavilly themed roms should go in android development,either that of have sub sections like they do on hd2
Most of the so called custom ROMs are photoshopped icons + JKay's mods. Once ICS gets official and JKay ports his mods to it, Gingebread "development" will disappear on its own, so no need for separate sections.
What we really need is to move all photoshop+JKay stock roms from Original Development to Development, so that original development section gets cleaned up a bit.
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I actually was thinking the same but, when ICS ROM gets officially released (probably in a few weeks), development will only be on ICS ROMs and GB ROMs will be a thing of the past.
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I was thinking the same.
Is not a good idea for me. When will be released officially ICS will have no sense to have two sub-forum.
Not supporting the idea. GB forum would be a desert in a few months, so they would have to merge it back or delete it.
it's a pain find all the info the "Newbies and Noobs" need. +1 I think forums need a cleanup.
Some post from Android Dev are full of the same questions! over and over again.
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it's a pain find all the info the "Newbies and Noobs" need. +1 I think forums need a cleanup.
Some post from Android Dev are full of the same questions! over and over again.
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You hit the nail on the head noobs posting same question over and over . Why is cause they wont search and dont even read the instructions .So whats the point this is a developers forum not a help forum .Rule is if you are to lazy to search read and learn you dont belong on here .
XDA does not cater to the IWant I Want Know Know crowd .
jje
I think this is a great idea, especially for us noobies out there!
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You hit the nail on the head noobs posting same question over and over . Why is cause they wont search and dont even read the instructions .So whats the point this is a developers forum not a help forum .Rule is if you are to lazy to search read and learn you dont belong on here .
XDA does not cater to the IWant I Want Know Know crowd .
jje
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Hahahaha i'm not a Android Dev but when i read some topics about "ROMS and FW" i just want a gun to shoot those noobs.
I think a better idea it's rise the amount of helpful topics to new members. Some like 15 or 20 Seriously!
Hi.
[solved]
Thanks
benyben123 said:
Hi.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1055
Two options here - one is:
S II Original Android Development
other is:
S II Android Development
I can see the description, but I am not fully getting it
Thanks
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See here. (Found in the sticky in the I9100 general section)
You've been around for a while, and been quite active. You should know about forum rule #1...
benyben123 said:
Hi.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1055
Two options here - one is:
S II Original Android Development
other is:
S II Android Development
I can see the description, but I am not fully getting it
Thanks
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Looking and reading tends to help.
how did u guys find it by using the search??? i didn't
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how did u guys find it by using the search??? i didn't
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... because it's in the sticky in the general section?
Or by typing "original vs android development" in the search box?
Never delete your original question and replace it with [solved]. What one earth is the use if someone with the same questions finds this question later and just sees [solved].
What I've noticed is that there's a lot of thread in "original dev"; but not that much "real" developers. A lot of Rom are just stock with little changes. Except some kernel, I've only seen one original ROM: CyanogenMod. I guess there's also MIUI, but all others could go to "not original dev". Recently I've seen a lot of CM9 variants. Difficult to find real developers in this forum, and others who just use patches from others...
Just my opinion...
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What I've noticed is that there's a lot of thread in "original dev"; but not that much "real" developers. A lot of Rom are just stock with little changes. Except some kernel, I've only seen one original ROM: CyanogenMod. I guess there's also MIUI, but all others could go to "not original dev". Recently I've seen a lot of CM9 variants. Difficult to find real developers in this forum, and others who just use patches from others...
Just my opinion...
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I agree... but there is kernel development in there too.
Also, MIUI, as far as I know, is derivative from CyanogenMod. So there is some argument about how original it is, really.
What exactly is the purpose of this area if you all dont mind me asking and i know its a question but which area should this go into
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More or less a Sandbox of questions that don't fit in other categories.
I'd say general is for basically just talk in general about the device maybe plans for certain things development wise, off topic talk with a partial regards to the device whether it be direct or indirect... Obviously Q&A is for specific questions, Android Development is for development based on Sense and stock ROMs, ports, mods, hacks, and Original Android Development is for source built ROMs (aosp), device tool packages or as posted already "super" tools, root, s-off, unlock, that are original built and or packaged by the OP/person/developer that has created the thread, if the OP is posting someone elses work ported over to our device MUST be in Android Development as it is not original... Also must give proper credits where credits are due!!! Hopefully that breaks it all down for you and sums it up
Thanks, i just dont wanna get closed topics and cause noob issues lol
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i.love.my.galaxy said:
What exactly is the purpose of this area if you all dont mind me asking and i know its a question but which area should this go into
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Someone needs to have a look at the XDA Forum Rules if they haven't done so yet. When you do, you will notice item 15:
15. Keep threads / posts on-topic
Whilst a minor amount of off-topic posting may be overlooked, the general rule is that your posts / threads must be relevant to the Forum / thread in which you are posting.
General Forums - For news and announcements relating to your device.
Q&A Help & Troubleshooting Forums - For all question / request threads and posts. If there is no Q&A Help & Troubleshooting forum, use the General Forum of the relevant device
Accessories Forum - For posts related to accessories relevant to the device
Development Forums (ones with the word development in the title) - For Developers to post release threads e.g. ROMs and Kernels including modifications to kernels, bootloaders, ROMs, etc.
Themes and Apps Forums - For the posting of Themes and / or Apps as well as announcements & discussions including modifications made to Themes and Apps.
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Also if you have a look at the main device homepage, you will notice that each specific subforum also has a description.
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Discussion about the HTC One Max (general, tips & tricks, etc)
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Just a quick extra note on this. We have sticked guidelines on what can be posted were here:
Guide to HTC One Max International Forums (Please Read before posting here)