Hey xda, Im currently on a stupid ipod typing this, going to be selling this on ebay to fund a tablet. I was thinking about getting the kindle fire until I learned that there is no sd card slot. Then I looked into the nook tablet which is $250 and looked it up on here to realiaze that there isnt much development for it yet (idk if its a new tablet). So then I looked into the nook color which is $200, and learned that there are plenty of roms and dev for it.
So basically I was just wondering will the nook tablet get as much development as the nook color in the future and if not, would the color still perform well enough for a good amount of time?
All im interested in is rooting and installung roms on the tablet, so if it cant do that im not really interested. Im a noob here and a noob to android so I dont know much so help would be greatly appreciAted.
Also if you guys know of anotger good tablet in the $200 price range, it would be awesome if you could tell me about it.
Sorry if this has already been asked and answered.
Thanks!
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So basically I was just wondering will the nook tablet get as much development as the nook color in the future and if not, would the color still perform well enough for a good amount of time?
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No - The Nook Color had a fully unlocked bootloader and could boot directly off of the SD card (and maybe USB too?)
The Nook Tablet can boot directly from USB and from MicroSD, but ONLY if the boot image was cryptographically signed by Barnes and Noble. (e.g. the Nook Tablet has a locked bootloader.)
For this reason, the Tablet will never see anywhere close to the amount of development the Color had. As an example, look at the dismal state of development on many OMAP4-based Motorola phones to see what a locked bootloader does.
They're workarounds (such as second init and kexec), but second init is extremely limiting, and so far no one has succeeded with kexec - even if they do, your risk of bricking is FAR higher with a locked device.
I've heard the Acer Iconia A100 goes on sale fairly cheap on a regular basis. It was $190 on Black Friday.
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No - The Nook Color had a fully unlocked bootloader and could boot directly off of the SD card (and maybe USB too?)
The Nook Tablet can boot directly from USB and from MicroSD, but ONLY if the boot image was cryptographically signed by Barnes and Noble. (e.g. the Nook Tablet has a locked bootloader.)
For this reason, the Tablet will never see anywhere close to the amount of development the Color had. As an example, look at the dismal state of development on many OMAP4-based Motorola phones to see what a locked bootloader does.
They're workarounds (such as second init and kexec), but second init is extremely limiting, and so far no one has succeeded with kexec - even if they do, your risk of bricking is FAR higher with a locked device.
I've heard the Acer Iconia A100 goes on sale fairly cheap on a regular basis. It was $190 on Black Friday.
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Thanks! Ill give you a thumbs up or thanks or whatever this forum uses when I get home because I cant do it from tapatalk. Ill look up that acer tablet now and edit this post after that.
Edit: Wow! It has a tegra 2 as well! 2 cameras as well! Jeez an its about the same price as the nook tablet was. Thanks! Im gonna look in the dev section for this tablet on the forums and see what I can find
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You've listed some of the good points about the Iconia A100. Here's the flip side:
Battery life sucks. The A100 has half the battery capacity of the A500, which was already reviewed as having the worst battery life of the 10" crop.
Screen (TN display) sucks, especially in portrait mode. You better be holding it within the tiny sweet spot else display will solarize.
Community support is near zero. Check out the A100 dev forum.
Now, one may tout the GPS, crappy cams, and the anemic Tegra2 as advantages. But battery life, screen quality, and community support easily trump the trivial hardware features.
The NT-vs-NC comparison is more interesting. The short answer is that it depends on your use. The NC has a weak CPU, but it's versatile enough in its various use cases, eg e-reader, most apps and the majority of games. And as said, it's on track to get ICS. Lastly, it's cheap (currently $129 on sale).
The NT's OMAP 4430 is among the most powerful of the current dual-cores, and is best for watching HD movies, with better usability overall due to its faster speed. With root/sideloading, you are no longer locked into B&N ecosystem, and the unit is almost as versatile as the NC. But it does cost more, almost twice the NC.
The NT's potential depends on how far the devs can get in trying to unlock the NT. Unlike Entropy's "never" reply, I'm not as dogmatic and am willing to wait and see how they fare. It's early.
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You've listed some of the good points about the Iconia A100. Here's the flip side:
Battery life sucks. The A100 has half the battery capacity of the A500, which was already reviewed as having the worst battery life of the 10" crop.
Screen (TN display) sucks, especially in portrait mode. You better be holding it within the tiny sweet spot else display will solarize.
Community support is near zero. Check out the A100 dev forum.
Now, one may tout the GPS, crappy cams, and the anemic Tegra2 as advantages. But battery life, screen quality, and community support easily trump the trivial hardware features.
The NT-vs-NC comparison is more interesting. The short answer is that it depends on your use. The NC has a weak CPU, but it's versatile enough in its various use cases, eg e-reader, most apps and the majority of games. And as said, it's on track to get ICS. Lastly, it's cheap (currently $129 on sale).
The NT's OMAP 4430 is among the most powerful of the current dual-cores, and is best for watching HD movies, with better usability overall due to its faster speed. With root/sideloading, you are no longer locked into B&N ecosystem, and the unit is almost as versatile as the NC. But it does cost more, almost twice the NC.
The NT's potential depends on how far the devs can get in trying to unlock the NT. Unlike Entropy's "never" reply, I'm not as dogmatic and am willing to wait and see how they fare. It's early.
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Oh alright, well I need a good battery because I will be brining it o school and such. The NT would be a good choice for me because I want to run emulators and such, so I would think that having a more powerful cpu would do well with that.
Yeah ive seen zedomax install the android market on it, so I know its not totally locked up. I just want to be able to install roms in the future, thats all. Ive seen my friend with his nexus s and it looks like load of fun tweaking with it. Thts the main reason Im selling the ipod and want to swtich to a small android tablet.
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The real question that it boils down to is this:
What do you want it for?
I've tossed around the idea of returning it, for the simple fact that I can't install custom roms on it. But then, what difference does that really make in my using the device? What will I be able to do once the ROMS are available that I can't do now? Not much, really. It would be neat to have ICS on it, but again, what will I be able to do? At the end of the day, does it run the apps I use? Yes. Would it possibly be a better user experience with a better ROM on it? More than likely.
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The real question that it boils down to is this:
What do you want it for?
I've tossed around the idea of returning it, for the simple fact that I can't install custom roms on it. But then, what difference does that really make in my using the device? What will I be able to do once the ROMS are available that I can't do now? Not much, really. It would be neat to have ICS on it, but again, what will I be able to do? At the end of the day, does it run the apps I use? Yes. Would it possibly be a better user experience with a better ROM on it? More than likely.
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Well the most important thing are the tablet apps, more and more tablet apps are coming out...and more will come as ICS gets on more devices.
>Well the most important thing are the tablet apps, more and more tablet apps are coming out
Which of the four HC apps are you referring to?
HC is dead. From Google's version tracker, active HC devices stand at 2.4% of total Android. Apart from GNexus, ICS won't show up until next year, and it'll take much longer for ICS-specific apps to show up. By that time, we'll already be jabbering about the Nook 3.
Speaking of which, I do expect B&N to keep in lock-step with Amazon, in releasing a larger tablet come spring. Video content (read: Netflix & co) has the highest pull, and 7" is too small for good video playback. May be B&N can call this the Nook XL.
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Which of the four HC apps are you referring to?
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IMHO there are enough 3.0+ apps or apps with tablet versions that only work in 3.0+ to make the difference appreciable, especially if you want landscape mode to be more usable. Google has tablet-optimized versions of Gmail and Reader with split panes. File Manager HD has a nice menu pane. IMDB's app has a very nice layout for 3.0+ tablets. Mizuu and Reddita are 3.0+ only
There's a large selection of Tablet apps, use this to get the list https://market.android.com/details?id=com.andromo.dev86.app119
And ICS is coming to many devices early next year. Companies have already announced ICS tablets and more will be announced at CES.
Gingerbread on a tablet in 2012 just doesn't cut it.
Yes, I was being a bit facetious, hence the smilie.
The point stands that HC is irrelevant going forward. Per graph below, it's just a blip on the Android radar. (Now we know why vendors aren't so keen on releasing more HC tablets.) Devs base their decision on market size. Whatever tab-specific action that will happen will be with GB and ICS later. Despite the "ICS is coming" hoopla, software is typically one cycle behind the OS. That won't change, especially with the unproven state of the Android tablet market. For the near future, most Android apps/games will still be phones-first.
>Gingerbread on a tablet in 2012 just doesn't cut it.
The reality is that GB will still be predominant for most if not all of 2012. It'll take about that long for ICS to achieve critical mass. The whole horde of Android phones that are on 2-yr contracts won't be ditched overnight.
It's academic anyway since we're talking about a 7" device. Most current tab-specific apps are optimized for the larger real-estate of 9/10" units. In fact, you can wander over to the Iconia A100 forum and hear the laments of incompatible apps on that HC 7" device.
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I read through it all but since Im on an ipod its a pain to quote everythig. But anyway Im just gonna search for a tablet that is good in that price range and is fun to play around with. Ill give you all thumbs up when I get home, sorry, I didnt get home til 11 last night so I couldnt even get on my computer to even view the thread to give you all thumbs up.
I understand that the nook tablet doesnt have what I want and the nook color has the rooting features and development that I want but it has weaker hardware so I wouldnt be able to install ics or something else on it in the future.
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If you aren't locked into the 7" size, a better deal is to look for year-end sales on the Tegra 2 10" crop (Iconia A500, Tosh Thrive, Xoom, Asus TF). The Acer & Tosh were $200 on BF, the Asus $250, the Xoom $300. The 10" is less portable, but the larger screen allows more versatility. If you intend to use the tablet for a range of activities, a 7" isn't a good choice. Definitely not good for emus.
I favor the Xoom and the Asus TF, both for the better hardware and good community support. The Tegra 2 is a capable SoC except for playing HD videos. Most of these Teg2 will get ICS, either officially or via custom ROM.
BTW, you can already download an ICS ROM for the Nook Color. It's buggy, but workable. That said, don't get caught in the ICS hype. It's just another Android rev with incremental improvements. It's not a must-have. Like another said, know what your uses are, and get the hardware to best fit those.
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If you aren't locked into the 7" size, a better deal is to look for year-end sales on the Tegra 2 10" crop (Iconia A500, Tosh Thrive, Xoom, Asus TF). The Acer & Tosh were $200 on BF, the Asus $250, the Xoom $300. The 10" is less portable, but the larger screen allows more versatility. If you intend to use the tablet for a range of activities, a 7" isn't a good choice. Definitely not good for emus.
I favor the Xoom and the Asus TF, both for the better hardware and good community support. The Tegra 2 is a capable SoC except for playing HD videos. Most of these Teg2 will get ICS, either officially or via custom ROM.
BTW, you can already download an ICS ROM for the Nook Color. It's buggy, but workable. That said, don't get caught in the ICS hype. It's just another Android rev with incremental improvements. It's not a must-have. Like another said, know what your uses are, and get the hardware to best fit those.
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Yeah idc about size, if it fits in my backpack, it works for me. Thanks for the recommendations!
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I own both the NC and NT...
I have owned the NC since Jan 2011. Dual boot, run cm7 off sd card, does all that it can. I have over 80 apps working on it. Have read 35+ books on the NC.
I also own the NT since mid Nov 2011. It does Hulu + great just finished watching a 2 hour movie. And have rooted it and it getting mods made for it. I really like the 2 cpu's and snappy screens. It just works for me. Really like reading more on NT than NC, just faster screen stuff. I have all the same apps on it that I have on the NC.
I also own a full windows 7" tablet, but NT is my choice at the end of the day, it does it all.
BloodyRory said:
Hey xda, Im currently on a stupid ipod typing this, going to be selling this on ebay to fund a tablet. I was thinking about getting the kindle fire until I learned that there is no sd card slot. Then I looked into the nook tablet which is $250 and looked it up on here to realiaze that there isnt much development for it yet (idk if its a new tablet). So then I looked into the nook color which is $200, and learned that there are plenty of roms and dev for it.
So basically I was just wondering will the nook tablet get as much development as the nook color in the future and if not, would the color still perform well enough for a good amount of time?
All im interested in is rooting and installung roms on the tablet, so if it cant do that im not really interested. Im a noob here and a noob to android so I dont know much so help would be greatly appreciAted.
Also if you guys know of anotger good tablet in the $200 price range, it would be awesome if you could tell me about it.
Sorry if this has already been asked and answered.
Thanks!
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Unless battery life is not important to you, you should take a look at the Kindle Fire.
They already got CM7 and ICS/CM9 is about to come out for the device.
Development for the Nook Color is pretty much asleep at this point, though at least it is certain to get ICS/CM9 sometime in the future ...
Unless the bootloader issue can be resolved, you will not be able to run any tablet apps on the Nook Tablet - which just plain sucks: it's a tablet that can't run tablet apps.
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Unless battery life is not important to you, you should take a look at the Kindle Fire.
They already got CM7 and ICS/CM9 is about to come out for the device.
Development for the Nook Color is pretty much asleep at this point, though at least it is certain to get ICS/CM9 sometime in the future ...
Unless the bootloader issue can be resolved, you will not be able to run any tablet apps on the Nook Tablet - which just plain sucks: it's a tablet that can't run tablet apps.
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If you want storage space, or the ability to play *almost* hd video, then do not get the kindle fire.
Many of us bought the NT because NC had an unlocked boot loader, thinking that NT will also be unlocked.
Now how many of us will buy the next Nook.....I'm already out.
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Barnes and Noble just announced their Nook Tablet and it is only 50 dollars more than the Kindle Fire. Personally, I am leaning more towards the Kindle Fire because I get one month of Amazon Prime free, but the Nook tablet has a lot going for it. Specs wise, they are actually pretty similar.
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So anyone planning on getting either of these tablets? Maybe both?
all i want to say is: CM9
give these things CM'd stock ICS, and the nook touch will pwn the kindle fire, in every way.
I really like the form factor of the Fire but 8gb of storage? Not ideal if you're traveling and want to load up a few movies. I'd need something with a bit more space for trips (of any length). Not bad for surfing at home though.
Moved
Will be interesting to find out if the NT is as easy to root as the original NC. Love my rooted NC, and the fact it is just about bombproof (aka screwing it up by rooting, ROM'ing, etc) makes it a tablet that can continue to grow with each new ROM version.
Love the new specs on the NT as well, so will be watching the dev community closely to see how rooting of it goes. My kids would be happy taking over my NC if I grab a NT
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Barnes and Noble just announced their Nook Tablet and it is only 50 dollars more than the Kindle Fire. Personally, I am leaning more towards the Kindle Fire because I get one month of Amazon Prime free, but the Nook tablet has a lot going for it. Specs wise, they are actually pretty similar.
So anyone planning on getting either of these tablets? Maybe both?
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This comparison chart is outdated and should be fixed ASAP.
1. B&N has fooled consumers into their newly NT with 1.2GHz processor, but it's 1.0 GHz in reality.
2. The new NT officially claimed to have 11.5 hrs of reading and 9 hrs of watching video/clip
They might have limited the clock speed to up the battery life on paper.
chances
mtmerrick said:
all i want to say is: CM9
give these things CM'd stock ICS, and the nook touch will pwn the kindle fire, in every way.
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what do we think the chances of this are?
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what do we think the chances of this are?
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unless there are unforseen complications, almost guaranteed. for both the Nook Tablet and the Kindle Fire.
Both are amazing devices for their pricepoint.
For novice/non techy users, probably the Fire is better, but it depends on if they want b&n or amazon content.
For advanced/techy rooting users, the Nook tablet is the way to go.
If both devices were side by side, both on, say, CM7, the nook would win because of the hardware.
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what do we think the chances of this are?
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I would say 95% chance this NT will get ICS update either from B&N or from CM8/9.
The remain question is: will the original NC get CM8/9-ICS or not.
I do hope so.
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This comparison chart is outdated and should be fixed ASAP.
1. B&N has fooled consumers into their newly NT with 1.2GHz processor, but it's 1.0 GHz in reality.
2. The new NT officially claimed to have 11.5 hrs of reading and 9 hrs of watching video/clip
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3. The NT also has a microphone. Small yet effective positive addition...
There's more features in NT that even B&N forgets to mention sometimes:
-- a fully functional mic/sound recorder (I'm not sure is it a double mic like in BB Playbook -- a reference platform for both AK Fire and NT, or a single mic, but it's huge)
-- laminated IPS is supposed to be better than what NC has. Nobody knows what effect in reality this lamination has, even the reviewers who put NT and NC side by side for their Photo session.
As for chances of CM7, then CM9 to be build for NT, these are good. There was even a chance of verygreen's size-agnostic SD card booting CM7 right there, at the presentation.
(more details can be found in my blog)
I can sideload my epub library to the Nook without an issue. I cannot inject anything into the Kindle Fire, I have to buy it from Amazon.
There is also the 'hidden' cost of Amazon Prime. Each device has to have a person with an Amazon Prime account. If you don't already have such an account, that is an additional $80/year after any free incentives run out, versus the Nook Tablet which never has any maintenance fees, ever.
For those two reasons alone, I'm staying with the Nook. The hardware (probably faster speed, more RAM, more storage, expansion slot that 99.9% likely is the primary boot device, microphone) seals the deal.
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I can sideload my epub library to the Nook without an issue. I cannot inject anything into the Kindle Fire, I have to buy it from Amazon.
There is also the 'hidden' cost of Amazon Prime. Each device has to have a person with an Amazon Prime account. If you don't already have such an account, that is an additional $80/year after any free incentives run out, versus the Nook Tablet which never has any maintenance fees, ever.
For those two reasons alone, I'm staying with the Nook. The hardware (probably faster speed, more RAM, more storage, expansion slot that 99.9% likely is the primary boot device, microphone) seals the deal.
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I have a Kindle and I "inject" converted mobi books from ePub through Calibre just fine
Amazon Prime is NOT required to own a Kindle Fire. Without Prime benefits, you can use the device for its intended purposes, just fine. If you are going to root with a custom ROM, none of those would matter, though. For people who are going to run other ROMs on KF or NT, the decision will be at the "hardware" level, instead of comparing the ecosystem of Amazon to B&N.
Thinking it over some, I will recommend the Kindle Fire and associated Amazon Ecosystem to my friends that come to me for computer buying/repair advice.
Personally the Amazon stock GUI is much better than the B&N stock GUI.
Amazon did a great job at pulling off a user friendly device.
As a person who likes to be in control of my technology, I will pick up a Nook Tablet. If it turns out that it is wide open like the NC, I will be an early adopter of the NT.
They have the same SoC, at least superficially identical screens, and very similar size/weight. From my perspective, assuming comparable levels of developer support--something that remains to be seen, really--the question is whether it's worth $50 for more storage, more RAM, and a microSD slot.
Complaining about being "locked in" to either system strikes me as unworthy of these forums. Amazon already said they'll allow sideloading, and even if B&N doesn't at the start, it should be easy enough to root your Nook and set it up. Both run gingerbread, so if you don't want to use Amazon's or B&N's ecosystem, then there are plenty of alternative apps available. Or better yet, install CM9 when it's ready and dump the entire pre-installed experience.
In terms of stock interface, Amazon definitely looks more slick, and Silk is a great idea. Amazon also offers streaming music and movies, as well as cloud services, while B&N is reliant on partner support for anything besides books. While third party support is an advantage in some cases, such as ability to borrow stuff from your local library, my gut feeling is that the majority of people who buy these things don't really use features that aren't readily accessible from the default interface.
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I can sideload my epub library to the Nook without an issue. I cannot inject anything into the Kindle Fire, I have to buy it from Amazon.
There is also the 'hidden' cost of Amazon Prime. Each device has to have a person with an Amazon Prime account. If you don't already have such an account, that is an additional $80/year after any free incentives run out, versus the Nook Tablet which never has any maintenance fees, ever.
For those two reasons alone, I'm staying with the Nook. The hardware (probably faster speed, more RAM, more storage, expansion slot that 99.9% likely is the primary boot device, microphone) seals the deal.
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Where have you gotten the completely false info about the KF?
I own the nook color with CM7 and love it..
That said
1> Kindle fire will outsell Nook Tablet due to the price difference.. 90% of the consumers wont care about the add ons on the nook Tablets..
2> BN will be forced to drop the price after 3 months to match KF..
Hopefully BN makes money on the reduced price to keep the competition in the space alive..
Personally i like the microphone in the nook which was a key feature for me.. because i can run skype while on vacation..
I am going to go for the nook touch over the kindle fire for the microphone.. HTC Flyer might see a price drop so that might be on the list too..
Like others have said, if you don't want to think about it, buy an apple- (insert gadget name) but if you want choices then go with Android.
Amazon is sort of going the way of Apple by making certain decisions for us wee little consumers. They create and simplify their own ecosystem and it looks appealing to non-techies.
If I can draw a metaphor:
Apple has a yard full of the coolest toys that you cannot take home, fenced in with razor wire.
Amazon has a friendlier yard with cool toys too but you can't help but miss some of your favorite ones, ie the Android market.
B&N has a fenced in yard that they don't seem to enforce and for people who like wide open spaces without too many rules, it's great. They had better work on their website and access to apps to stay competitive though.
You just have to figure out whose yard you want to play in.
I hate overpaying at B&N so I hope they work something out to continue to be a viable competitor.
Listen, I understand how people are looking at KF and thinking - man, it's already rooted, has CWM and ROMS are but a minute away. Our NT is still locked down, and we're being told it may stay this way.
So naturally, being in your return period, you're thinking about switching boats to KF.
I have one word explaining why that's a real bad idea: SPECS.
Ok, say you have a KF running CM on it.
RAM - you have 512MB RAM. That's low, not enough for GB or ICS. No need arguing that GB will run on it - yes it will, but it'll never be as smooth as a 1GB RAM device. Android will keep closing apps to free up mem, that creates response lag.
Anybody who had an original SGS with GB on it knows - you just can't make an SGSII out of it, it will always lag here and there. Read engadget review - they are complaining about how laggy it is.
Memory - You've got 6GB memory. That's it. You'll never have any more. That means you'll constantly feel deprived of space - you can't load full HD movies to watch, you can't load your music collection on it. You'll constantly be sacrificing something.
Books/Media store - you only have access to Amazon media store, since B&N doesn't have a store you can install and use. On a NT, though, without any root we already can stream Amazon content, read Kindle books, and that's all with native support of everything B&N has to offer.
No MIC - forget about using your Fire with Google Voice. There's no mic. Also forget about recording yourself reading books to your kids, to use in case you're on vacation or something.
Amazon Cloud you say? Yes, but only where you have a good WiFi connection. As soon as you're out of range - the fun stops. Phone tethering you say? Those 2GB will disappear MEGA FAST if you stream to your KF.
Amazon videos you say? Sure, but remember - that ain't free. Pay Amazon Prime membership fee, then also pay for movies themselves. And again, only when on WiFi and you don't get to keep it.
On the other hand, consider this:
With NT, even without root, we already have a device that's:
Very snappy
Able to sideload apps
Able to run a different launcher
Able to run Opera browser - nice n fast
Able to run 720p videos in browser, full screen
Able to play almost any video up to full-HD 1080p BlueRay
Able to play AVI files with free third-party players (no need for conversion)
Has 33GB+ of memory with an added SD card. I've just loaded tons of movies, books, magazines and music on it, and still have space remaining
Will be able to be used as a phone with Google Voice
Run Amazon Market (some have reported that even older Android Market APK works)
Run both Amazon's and B&N's premium content.
Think about it. Yes, KF was hacked faster than our NT was, but in the end, we already have almost everything we need, AND we have a much more powerful device.
KF was quicker at the start, but it has almost depleted its potential as a modern Android tablet, considering what future versions of Android need. Our device still has tons of untapped potential.
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Engadget released a comparison between the two HERE.
Here are some interesting parts for the lazy:
Both tablets are a good size for one-handed reading, though the Nook edges out the Kindle here a bit, with its slightly lighter weight (14.1 ounces to the Fire's 14.6). The Nook's subtly convex back and plastic bezel make a bit easier to hold.
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Both devices rock 1GHz dual-core processors, but the Nook has an edge here, with its 1GB of RAM to the Fire's 512MB -- and certainly the difference is noticeable, even when booting up something as simple as a game like Angry Birds. Things are even more pronounced during video playback. We took Shutter Island for a spin via Netflix streaming on both devices, and it was really like night and day. Motion is far less choppy on the Barnes & Noble device. The HD playback on the Nook also picked up subtle imagery like patterns on ties, which were largely lost on the Fire.
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tl;dr version: PATIENCE!
+1 to NT and I repped you too!
oh wait..not SD. LOL
That is why everyone needs to pull their pants back up and wait.
It will be rooted.
I also voted this thread up!
How hard would it be for them to close the sideload loophole? The thing updates automatically, right? Obviously they are not going to be excited hearing about everyone using the Amazon store.
I agree the Fire is not a good alternative for exactly your reasons, but that doesn't necessarily mean that this is worth keeping if it turns out to be locked down tight.
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How hard would it be for them to close the sideload loophole? The thing updates automatically, right? Obviously they are not going to be excited hearing about everyone using the Amazon store.
I agree the Fire is not a good alternative for exactly your reasons, but that doesn't necessarily mean that this is worth keeping if it turns out to be locked down tight.
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In my opinion, a locked NT as it is right now is still much better than a KF running CM.
But given that they locked it down, don't you think it was a mistake/accident that they allowed apk installs through the browser? When they push the first update will that ability still be there?
DarkDvr, normally i would agree with you if the market only have two 7inch tablet to choose from (KF and NT). However this is not the case, we have tons of options in 7inch tablet market, and if B&N really is being an ass to lock down the NT, then people can choose other tablets that might fit their need better.
Last year when NC came out there was only two 7inch tablet (NC, and Samsung Tab), so we get a lot more developer support, and people are willing to be more patient, but this is no longer the case.
7inch tablets:
Nook Tablet
Kindle Fire
Samsung Tab (~$250 refurbished for 3g version, cheaper for wifi version)
Nook Color ($199)
Lenovo Idea Pad A1 (Cortext A8, 512mb ram, bluetooth, GPS, f/b camera, microsd slot, $199)
Acer Iconia Tab A100 (tegra 2, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, bluetooth, f/b camera, <$200 on BF)
Kobo Vox (Cortex A8, 512 ram, Gingerbread, MicroSd, $199)
Samsung Tab 7.0 Plus (Exynos dual core, 1gb ram, honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, $399)
Samsung Tab 7.7 (Exynos, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, 1280x800, price?)
HTC Flyer (1.5ghz, pen input, $299)
Dell Streak 7 Tablet (Tegra 2, 800x480, Honeycomb, f/b camera)
And those are only the major brands, there are other off brands like Archos, Velocity Micro, Coby, that i didn't include.
So to me, if B&N really want to piss off the community that help make their NC a success to began with, then I will vote with my wallet and let them know that it is not a good idea to piss off the people your loyal customer, and your first adopter for the NT.
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Don't get me wrong, I still have high hope for the NT, and i really like the NC/NT simple but elegant design. However if B&N really choose to lookdown the NT's bootloader (which the dev community haven't conclusively proven yet), then i really don't want to buy a product from a company that chooses to piss off it's loyal customers.
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7inch tablets:
Nook Tablet
Kindle Fire
Samsung Tab (~$250 refurbished for 3g version, cheaper for wifi version)
Nook Color ($199)
Lenovo Idea Pad A1 (Cortext A8, 512mb ram, bluetooth, GPS, f/b camera, microsd slot, $199)
Acer Iconia Tab A100 (tegra 2, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, bluetooth, f/b camera, <$200 on BF)
Kobo Vox (Cortex A8, 512 ram, Gingerbread, MicroSd, $199)
Samsung Tab 7.0 Plus (Exynos dual core, 1gb ram, honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, $399)
Samsung Tab 7.7 (Exynos, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, 1280x800, price?)
HTC Flyer (1.5ghz, pen input, $299)
Dell Streak 7 Tablet (Tegra 2, 800x480, Honeycomb, f/b camera)
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True, I definitely think that locking NT was a huge mistake that B&N will pay for, but for some of us NT IS the best option.
Samsung Tab - 10 inch heavy shovel - screw that
NC - too weak and laggy, even after mods
Lenovo - 512 RAM, weak
Acer Iconia - I see $330+ price even for 8GB version
Kobo Vox - 512 RAM and don't trust that brand
Samsung Tab 7.0 Plus - 400+tax for a tablet is overpriced
Samsung Tab 7.7 - even more expensive?
HTC Flyer - slow and laggy, overpriced since day 1
Dell Streak - slow and laggy, low res screen
What I'm saying is that when you, like me, are in the market for a cheap tablet, there's only 2 good options - NT and KF. Rest of them are either overpriced as a device (going into netbook or UP category, where they just can't compete) or some shady brands.
At least that's my thinking.
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Don't get me wrong, I still have high hope for the NT, and i really like the NC/NT simple but elegant design. However if B&N really choose to lookdown the NT's bootloader (which the dev community haven't conclusively proven yet), then i really don't want to buy a product from a company that chooses to piss off it's loyal customers.
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Agreed, and given a choice, I'd always go for a company that doesn't insult my intelligence and doesn't treat its customers as morons. However, I have full faith in XDA community and still believe this will get hacked. And when it does, I'll be pointing finger at KF and laughing maniacally.
Depending on the weather here on the forum in the next 12 days, B&N may be losing my $260 to a Samsung G 7+ (maybe even a KF if I'm feeling crazy). Or just wait a few months see what turns up after Christmas.
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So to me, if B&N really want to piss off the community that help make their NC a success to began with, then I will vote with my wallet and let them know that it is not a good idea to piss off the people your loyal customer, and your first adopter for the NT.
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I saw a quote linked somewhere here recently from someone from B&N and they said something about 3% of NC coming from modders. I don't know how accurate or guesstimated that number was, but we shouldn't forget that they sell millions of these devices to normal consumers and there are only thousands of us. I'd like to think they keep people like us in mind, but we certainly aren't they primary market by a long shot.
I agree that there are lots of other options, but it's disheartening when none seem to have the build quality and specs in the same price range as the Nook models, excluding BF sales that might be hard to get. The IdeaPad looks intriguing at first glance but is the same basic hardware as the year-old NC and with a worse screen (and eww: the $200 version has 2GB storage that probably won't ever fit ICS). Acer A100 looks nice but also has a cheaper screen and a small battery.
DarkDvr while i am like you, think that the NT might be the best fit for my use case also. But with so many choices out there, i think our dev and support community won't be anywhere near the same as it was with NC. Plus with the bone headed move on B&N part, i don't see many true devotee sticking to the NT like yourself. And that is the ultimate problem, without a strong dev community, the NT most likely won't get all the goodies like CM7/CM9, which is what made the NC awesome.
By the way the Samsung Tab i was referring to earlier is the 7inch model, the same one that came out right before NC. Both are rocking Cortex-A8 processor.
I am honestly VERY happy with the status of my KT right now. As it stands, with a launcher, widgetlocker app and all the other sideloaded apps I wanted I have everything i wanted.
I dont care if I lose amazon marketplace support, because honestly I can find any apk I want all amazon does is give me a way to read reviews (which i can through the browser + android market)
the only thing, and trust me it is a HUGE thing, i am terrified of is that come day 15 or 16 or even 30, B&N releases a firmware update i cannot click 'no' to and it updates my nook and closes the hole we've been using. I dont know if its possible, but I reckon it is and that would make me a very sad camper since stock, this thing is a total piece of **** software wise (nook market is worthless), i bought a tablet, not an ereader.
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I saw a quote linked somewhere here recently from someone from B&N and they said something about 3% of NC coming from modders. I don't know how accurate or guesstimated that number was, but we shouldn't forget that they sell millions of these devices to normal consumers and there are only thousands of us. I'd like to think they keep people like us in mind, but we certainly aren't they primary market by a long shot.
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Boomn i think you underestimate the word of mouth, and unofficial advertisement B&N get from the modder community. Every few weeks there is a story on Engadget, Liliputing or Gizmodo about how great the NC community is, and the release of the a popular Rom for the NC. Or how most of the highly rated reviews on B&N, Amazon, BB are from modder who brought the NC to use as a tablet. So while we as a community might be small, but our influences on "Normal" people's purchase decision are much higher than B&N thinks.
And if B&N think that they can piss off the dev community, while taking on Amazon, and all the other 7inch tablet maker out there, and still make the NT a commercial success, they might be in for huge disappointment. Just look at how many of the NT and KF review out there mention rooting or app side-loading as part of the official review, and how much negative PR B&N got from the 1GB storage limitation on the review sites.
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Because I live in Italy I'll receive my NT only on 26Nov. (if I will lucky), so no give back option for me
So.. I really, really hope that a hack will be found. Just the root will be enough for me
With the root we'll be able to run custom recovery, trow away what we don't need and add what is missing (settings, etc).
BTW for me realease the source and lock the bootloader is a nonsense!
First post.
I'm a full-time iOS developer with about 6 iOS devices on my desk right now. I really like iOS and love developing for it. Having said that....
I picked up a Kindle (e-ink) about a year ago and then switched to a Nook Simple Touch the day they were released. I've been watching the KF/NT release with great interest.
I eventually decided on the Nook Tablet and stumbled across this site the day I got it (the 16th). I have been blown away by the things you people have accomplished in just a couple of days and I've had a blast watching the hour-by-hour discoveries.
My main reason for getting the NT was as a reader and everything you folks are doing is icing on the cake. Very nice icing!
I'm also very optimistic that breakthroughs will continue even if the pace slows a bit. For me the KF is just too restricted in capability--even it if can be rooted.
As an aside, I also have access to a handful of Android devices including a 10.1 Galaxy Tab, and a Lenovo Ideapad K1 (it helps when the company is buying), but I prefer the Nook Tablet to either.
As long as I can keep side-loading apps I'll be happy. I certainly understand the sentiments of those not wanting to reward B&N for what appears to be a snub. At the same time as long as they continue to allow me some method to get a few more apps on the device I'm good with it.
It's been my experience that once I get a device setup--either iOS or Android--I really only end up using a handful of apps (after trying dozens)--but I want them to be very good apps that *I* get to choose.
Thank you to you all!
This thread should not exist, has nothing to do with android development and sounds more like a sales pitch than anything.
I get it you prefer the NT, me too but this thread is pointless and should be deleted...
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Boomn i think you underestimate the word of mouth, and unofficial advertisement B&N get from the modder community. Every few weeks there is a story on Engadget, Liliputing or Gizmodo about how great the NC community is, and the release of the a popular Rom for the NC. Or how most of the highly rated reviews on B&N, Amazon, BB are from modder who brought the NC to use as a tablet. So while we as a community might be small, but our influences on "Normal" people's purchase decision are much higher than B&N thinks.
And if B&N think that they can piss off the dev community, while taking on Amazon, and all the other 7inch tablet maker out there, and still make the NT a commercial success, they might be in for huge disappointment. Just look at how many of the NT and KF review out there mention rooting or app side-loading as part of the official review, and how much negative PR B&N got from the 1GB storage limitation on the review sites.
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Good point, we are certainly a vocal and influential bunch. However lots of those "normal" consumers would never check any place like Engadget for any review and have probably never heard of it. Mentions of modding/hacking/flashing in online store reviews go right over lots of people's heads too. Amazon and B&N are going to sell a ton of their tablets through physical stores like Walmart, Target, BestBuy, etc where most people still shop too. I agree that we probably do have more influence than just 3%... and now I'm not even sure where I was going with this point, lol
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This thread should not exist, has nothing to do with android development and sounds more like a sales pitch than anything.
I get it you prefer the NT, me too but this thread is pointless and should be deleted...
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This is the general forum for the NT not the development forum. Calm down.
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This is the general forum for the NT not the development forum. Calm down.
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My mistake, was on the wrong tab.
Still though, pointless thread is pointless. We all know the better device.
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My mistake, was on the wrong tab.
Still though, pointless thread is pointless. We all know the better device.
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I completely agree with that, but this thread serves as a reminder why it is still better than the Fire, to those that might not know.
notinterested said:
This thread should not exist, has nothing to do with android development and sounds more like a sales pitch than anything.
I get it you prefer the NT, me too but this thread is pointless and should be deleted...
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...Excuse me?
Forgive me for not appreciating your "experience" on XDA since, omg, feb 2010, but this is a General NT forum, and this thread is very much important to people who are right now at a tipping point between NT and KF, considering the latest root news for both devices.
So drink some coolaid and move along, kid.
I'm trying to decide between a kindle fire or a nook tablet. To be honest, the biggest selling point for me is, which will be more like a regular android tablet once rooted and flashed with a new rom eventually. I'm as interested in performance as functionality. I would primarily use it for light gaming, movie watching movies & Netflix, and Playing with apps and live wallpaper lol. Sorry, I'm relatively new to Android but i used to be big in windows mobile and flashing a different Rom every other day. I'm really looking for some personal opinions on this. Thanks a lot guys.
Nook vs Kindle
I have bought nook . Because it has more ram and more storage and the screen is a bit better. But other than that look that they are the same with kindle. Even though looks like kindle will be a bit more famous so that means that it will little more kindle software support and development.
Nook color the father of nook table . A cyanogenmod was released and also Honeycomb so im expecting Ics to come in Nook Tablet and that's enough for my opinion.
Buy a Nook Tablet based on what it can do for you today - not what it might do for you someday.
If you are a daily Rom flasher you might want to hold off. There is no way to do that today on the Nook Tablet - and the Fire is inadequate hardware.
I'm having a good time with my NT, especially since I rooted it. I use it a LOT more than the Dell Streak 7 I just sold. You still can't install custom roms so if that's a biggie, it's probably a deal killer, but I like to tinker with my toys and I'm having fun playing around with all of the launcher options and other tweaks that are available that for the time being, so the lack of roms isn't a big deal. I find it great for light gaming, Netflix and most importantly, I find the SD card extremely useful since I can easily transfer media from one tablet to another.
Honestly I'm concerned about the nook's bootloader being locked down and from what I've seen, the hardware is near identical to the kindle, but the kindle only has 512 megs of memory, however, the nook does have the sd card slot
The fire will be more popular, but the nook tablet is the better 7" tablet stock. Even with only root the nook tablet can do everything the fire can do, just a bit better. You can install amazon market,do amazon video etc....just like the fire,plus it has the sd slot
If you decide to go with the Fire - Enjoy the 6GB's of limited space you will be using, not to even mention the 512MB of ram.
If you decide to go with the nook - Enjoy the 16GB's onboard memory, 1GB of ram, mic and SD slot that adds up to another 32GB's.
Also, watch this video to see what happens when the Fire is dropped on concrete : Goggle Drop Test: Nook Tablet Vs Kindle Fire (Giveaway) : I cannot post links for another 8 posts
The Fire is coated with something that makes the glass very bendable ( or so I've read ) thus making any type of drop on the Fire's screen crack the entire screen rather than part of it - enjoy
Best tablet for OP
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I used the Kindle Fire and The Nook Tablet side by side for a week. I ended up keeping the Tablet and returning the Fire. But then, I wasn't looking for a color e-reader to be "all things tablet." The nook does all things smoother and has better hardware than the Fire. On the other hand, the Fire is considered "Cooler" than the Nook and has "Amazon" in it's gene pool. The Nook Tablet is locked down tight and there's a good chance you can never do all the uber-cool things you want to do making it into a tablet. From your original post, I'd say get the Fire for your needs as it is open to mods moreso than the Nook Tab. It would be a shame if, after a month or so you were endlessly on the various sites complaining about how the Nook Tablet you own has a locked down bootloader and you can't hack it to your heart's content and make a silk purse out of it. At least with the Fire, you can take it in any direction you want and have no excuses for not making it the tablet you desire.
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Is there an app that I can download to get that homepage on my Nook?
The Fire may be (at this point) the more moddable, hackable tablet, but why even bother if you can't enjoy smooth video playback? From what I've heard, the stock (rooted, sideloaded) Nook plays Amazon Prime video better than the Fire. The 512MB RAM really killed it for me.
Now with Ice Cream Sandwich.
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The Fire may be (at this point) the more moddable, hackable tablet, but why even bother if you can't enjoy smooth video playback? From what I've heard, the stock (rooted, sideloaded) Nook plays Amazon Prime video better than the Fire. The 512MB RAM really killed it for me.
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Yeah, same for me. I tested both devices for a while as well, and tested them against full android 7inch tablets, a few 10inchers, the color, old eInk ones etc. It actually did make a significant different, the memory and slightly faster processor. The microsd slot is really what killed it for me though against the KF specifically.
If you're approaching either device looking for an android tablet to do all things, then both will fail imo. If you're looking for a book/video/comics/browser/note taking device, with lots of expansion space, this is a great device (and for hundreds cheaper than OK 7inchers). The screen is REALLY nice for comics; this is where I noticed vibrant/color differences, and legibility (that is likely stock software comparisons).
Other things I noticed that were better (sometimes a bit better, sometimes a lot better) than the KF, HTC Flyer, Iconia, other 7inchers, etc:
- screen was more response; sometimes too response. This makes it tolerate screen protectors better (sidenote). This was a big factor in "should I get an HTC flyer?" for me, and the response level was surprising.
- screen was a bit more vibrant than the KF; different warmth levels I think? The KF shipped with screens that REALLY varied though.
- the NT grips better in my hands and I actually use the little loop quite often to stabilize it in my hand
- volume buttons. I use them a lot, and more than expected. I've definitely had websites try and blow out my ears with their default audio when I've had earphones on. speaking of audio, the NT only has one speaker so earphones are highly recommended. Probably the biggest minus for the device.
I too watched the KF vs NT dropped onto concrete video and was pretty horrified/amused. The protective frame really seems useful on the NT and it seems sturdier. I DO prefer the darker frame of the Nook Color though. I have already tested it on carpet from 5 feet or so, accidentally :/
Mines slipped off the bed a few times but did not get hurt considering its only 3 feet or so. Done the same with my phone to many times to count and that survives just fine as well. The screen is starting to get greasy tho so I need to find a way of protecting that. Mom should be getting me a cover or something this xmas considering its around the corner now. I was wondering about the screen on the fire compared to the one on the nook considering I have herd the nook has the better screen and have seen pics where the fire just sucks becuase its to washed out and to blue which means its to cool.
Nook tablet should be the far superior tablet if you want to turn it into an android tablet.
I can't understand why anyone on this forum would choose a fire over a nook tablet. The ram, the sd card slot, double the built-in storage. The nook's screen is also better--it's brighter, has better contrast, and more lively colors.
The fire also has no volume buttons, which was idiotic. Having a full home button is also pretty important, which the nook has.
The fire will clearly be upgraded in probably 6 months or less. It's a first generation product that is missing so many things. I also echo everyone else who has used the fire--it is laggy in every possible way. The lagginess of the fire is very apparent, and the web browser of the nook tablet is much smoother. I have no idea why the fire sells so well--if the masses knew how easy it is to root a nook and then install the amazon marketplace. The only thing that the fire has for it is that it's smaller footprint. The nook seems too big for a 7" tablet, but it is tapered and more pleasant to hold than the fire.
Best thing to do is to head to Best Buy. There you can try them out side by side.
You can always get them both from Best Buy and return the one you don't want. That's what I did and they are totally fine with it.
I ended up going with the KF but the NT has plenty of points in its favor as well.
Personally I didn't find the NT to have hugely better performance, despite having double the RAM. This was the one thing I was most concerned about but it really hasn't made a difference for me.
The NT has better ergonomics. It feels lighter (though looking at their specs it's only 13 g lighter than the KF). Probably a function of being larger and thicker so it's a lot less dense. The screen bezel almost feels padded, which is nice. The other advantages are better battery life, the microSD card slot, and physical buttons.
Disadvantages vs. the KF are price, stock software experience, buggy interface at times (there are some places where you get unreadable white-on-white or black-on-black text), and of course the locked bootloader.
I think the biggest deal for most people is the microSD slot. If you want to take a lot of media with you, the NT is the only way to go. If you don't care about that, then the KF is worth considering if only for the lower price. The other thing is I would recommend the KF over the NT for family members who would probably use it stock. The pure stock experience is awful on the NT and merely okay on the KF. Obviously they both benefit a lot from at least sideloading an alternate launcher, but the NT is practically unusable as anything but an e-reader without doing so.
Hey all. Sorry to bump this semi-dead thread, but I was wondering if I could get an update from you all..
I recently bought a Kindle Fire and have been pretty satisfied with it. I never really took the 512MB of ram into consideration until lately. I've had my fire now for about a month. I rooted it and am currently running CM7 on it with the processor overclocked to 1.2 ghz.
I was playing "scramble with friends" the other day and it did seem a bit laggy.. nothing extreme though, but I'm used to the smoothness. I haven't really played many games on it either to really see how the 512mb ram handles it.
I was wondering for clarification: Is the Nook Tablet's bootloader still unlockable? As in, can't install any customized roms on it?
Is it worth selling this KF to get a NT? I use my tablet for ereading about 5% of the time. 95% of the time I use it for social uses (web browsing, facebook, twitter, etc).
The only negatives I've noticed on my KF are the lack of volume buttons. I installed a widget that lays over the screen to adjust the volume, but I would rather have physical buttons. On the other hand, I don't mind NOT having a home button. I haven't been disadvantaged at all by not having one, so that really doesn't matter to me.
What do you guys think?
I can't comment on the KF due to never having used one. I did however just get done installing CM7 on a friend's NC (somewhat similar to the KF except processor) with it clocked to 1.2 Ghz and I own the NT running CM7 Alpha final and there is a very noticeable difference. The apps took longer to load vs NT. They didn't run as smooth on the NC vs the NT. There was not much available RAM left after loading the basics whereas the NT having 1 Gb of ram there was plenty left after running basics. Also, the main killer for me, and at first I was going to get the KF and now glad I didn't, is the sd card slot. I have kids and it is really nice to have that 32 Gb card to put all the movies I want on it. Plus I have repartitioned my internal to give myself 10 more GB of personal storage space. I do like the KF gorilla glass, that is pretty nice. I think though in the end it is all about personal preference. The KF and NT are both good devices in there own right and price point. The NT is still not completly on par with the straight android tablets in some features, but it is adequate for everything that I want to do. You may want to wait though if they do release the Asus memo370?? 7" tablet. The rumors are going both ways at the moment, but if they do release it at a $249.99 price point it appears it would a very good buy. Just my 2 cents.
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I can't comment on the KF due to never having used one. I did however just get done installing CM7 on a friend's NC (somewhat similar to the KF except processor) with it clocked to 1.2 Ghz and I own the NT running CM7 Alpha final and there is a very noticeable difference. The apps took longer to load vs NT. They didn't run as smooth on the NC vs the NT. There was not much available RAM left after loading the basics whereas the NT having 1 Gb of ram there was plenty left after running basics. Also, the main killer for me, and at first I was going to get the KF and now glad I didn't, is the sd card slot. I have kids and it is really nice to have that 32 Gb card to put all the movies I want on it. Plus I have repartitioned my internal to give myself 10 more GB of personal storage space. I do like the KF gorilla glass, that is pretty nice. I think though in the end it is all about personal preference. The KF and NT are both good devices in there own right and price point. The NT is still not completly on par with the straight android tablets in some features, but it is adequate for everything that I want to do. You may want to wait though if they do release the Asus memo370?? 7" tablet. The rumors are going both ways at the moment, but if they do release it at a $249.99 price point it appears it would a very good buy. Just my 2 cents.
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Thanks for replying. From my understanding, though, is that the Nook Color and the Kindle Fire both have 512MB ram.... but the KF has dual-core processor, as the NC isn't. I suppose this helps the KF with the overall smoothness.
is the bootloader still unlockable...yes...and no. the bootloader is still locked however, you can SKIP IT ENTIRELY on bootup. currently the NT has 2 different basic roms avail in either alpha or beta form
android 4.0(cm9)- alpha- status update the team is plugging away getting the 3.0 kernel ported (updating from the 2.6.7? kernel) before releasing another rom- all they have to do now is sound- and tweak hw video acceleration i think. i am not sure if this version works on the 8gig NT yet
android 2.3.7?(cm7) early beta/late alpha form- 2 identical versions- one installed internally, one installed via microsd card- both work very well for where they are at.-both also work for BOTH versions of the NT
so if i was to choose between the fire and NT- i'd get the NT(16gig).
jask0 said:
Hey all. Sorry to bump this semi-dead thread, but I was wondering if I could get an update from you all..
I recently bought a Kindle Fire and have been pretty satisfied with it. I never really took the 512MB of ram into consideration until lately. I've had my fire now for about a month. I rooted it and am currently running CM7 on it with the processor overclocked to 1.2 ghz.
I was playing "scramble with friends" the other day and it did seem a bit laggy.. nothing extreme though, but I'm used to the smoothness. I haven't really played many games on it either to really see how the 512mb ram handles it.
I was wondering for clarification: Is the Nook Tablet's bootloader still unlockable? As in, can't install any customized roms on it?
Is it worth selling this KF to get a NT? I use my tablet for ereading about 5% of the time. 95% of the time I use it for social uses (web browsing, facebook, twitter, etc).
The only negatives I've noticed on my KF are the lack of volume buttons. I installed a widget that lays over the screen to adjust the volume, but I would rather have physical buttons. On the other hand, I don't mind NOT having a home button. I haven't been disadvantaged at all by not having one, so that really doesn't matter to me.
What do you guys think?
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Thanks for replying. From my understanding, though, is that the Nook Color and the Kindle Fire both have 512MB ram.... but the KF has dual-core processor, as the NC isn't. I suppose this helps the KF with the overall smoothness.
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Yes the KF is smooth from what I have seen. I would say that the dc processor is helping, but the 1 Gb of ram in the NT helps the most I would think. Like I stated though, they are both good devices with pros and cons with each. For me after everything the better hardware and the expandable memory is the most important and that is why I chose the NT.
First off, I do not want this to be an ultra negative thread. While I have not used the Prime, I'm sure that it's overall the best Android tablet yet.
Basically, going into the holiday season, the Prime became the #1 thing on my Christmas list. I started to get super hyped for it after doing a lot of research, and that lasted a long time. But over the last 2 weeks, my interest went way down. The first big reason was obviously obtaining one in the first place. I won't focus on that, however, since we're all familiar with the issue.
The other major reason for holding off on a tablet purchase was the Prime itself. I consider the Prime to be the first true Android competitor to the iPad, and also to be the first (sorta) 2nd gen Android tab. But, for me, the definition of a new generation is having an increase in almost all specs and a consequent improvement in performance. That's where I'm hesitant. The Prime still has just 1 GB of RAM, a pretty poor GPU, the same resolution as always, and some other things that aren't any different from 1st gen Android tabs. It's more like a 1.8th generation Android tab to me. Definitely on another level than the 1st gen, but not quite fully 2nd gen to me.
Don't get me wrong, I think the Prime is awesome and extremely tempting. But my desire started to wane when I heard reports that I can be confident that by around March there should be some Android tabs with 2 GB of RAM, much higher resolution, better GPUs, and sometime during 2012 there will be A15 processors out. I know a lot of people will say that this is how mobile tech always is, that there is always something better soon, but for me I feel like it's worth the wait to reach a fully new generation. Anyone else in the same boat as me? Or are most people caving in to how tempting and awesome the Prime is lol?
I'm buying a prime, if something wayyyy better comes out that is support tempting to upgrade, then I will sell the prime on craigslist and buy the new tab.
I used my original transformer (now sold) at school a lot so the kb dock is a must have for me, and most likely other tabs won't have as great kb implementation, so im probably in a different situation as someone who just wants the tab and they may be more easily tempted to switch.
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I got my Prime and so far I love it. I don't think there will be better android tables in the near future since none have been announced. I know Samsung likes to take its sweet time to release new products, but having said that, if they come with a better tablet I will have no problem selling the Prime to get the new one. I do it all the time.
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There's always something new and better coming out every 3 months if I held out I would never have a tablet!
Short answer: Not yet.
But seriously, there are several reasons I feel that the Prime is a serious contender to iPad and something that can be called 2nd generation Android Tablet.
First, granted that a bump in the amount of RAM would be great, but in reality we should look at how well optimized the system should be for a given amount of memory. Slapping memory in when it only increases costs while doing very little good to the system performance is a step back in my opinion and 1GB should be plenty for a tablet with optimized OS. I also feel that Honeycomb is to blame right now as to how it utilizes its system resources.
On the CPU front, a quad core at lower clocks, made on a mature A9 process rather than a new A15 one makes more sense to me. The 4 cores+companion core and its implications on the battery along with the long term implications on the multi threaded applications far outweigh the initial performance improvements due to the bumped up frequency on a dual core.
The higher resolution would be interesting, but the question is if we really need 2k+ resolutions on a tablet screen. Does it really make sense to stress the GPU out for such little difference in the visual output from a tablet? Granted I could think of this improvement in the third generation devices, when the GPU is actually able to handle this with 3D gaming smoothly without heating up, but I still think it is wasteful beyond a certain level of ppi. I would much rather throw all that GPU horsepower behind better 3D rendering.
I agree on the GPU front that tegra 3 is lagging, but when we look at tablets we must remember that the experience is a sum total from CPU and GPU working in tandem. It is very difficult to bump up both the CPU and GPU specs to insane levels while keeping the price point that Asus is keeping (unlike Motorola with their horribly spec'd and priced Xyboard). I had hoped though that Nvidia would finally get their GPU to Unified architecture on tablet front like their Desktop GPUs- That would have been absoultely great with the 12 GPU processing cores in the Kal-el. But it is true that GPU is lacking right now.
Ultimately though what will make or break this tablet will be ICS. Everyone is more interested with the kind of experience that one gets on a tablet, not the hardware behind it. I feel and hope that the final melding of the mobile and tablet paths of android will give us improvements on that end. I also think that the way Asus, Nvidia and Google have been working on ICS we should see some interesting improvements on Tegra 3 with ICS. For me, Prime seems to be the best choice going ahead even with the upcoming CES.
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I I don't think there will be better android tables in the near future since none have been announced.
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Pegatron lands orders for Lenovo quad-core tablet PC
Aaron Lee, Taipei; Joseph Tsai, DIGITIMES [Monday 19 December 2011]
Pegatron Technology reportedly has landed orders from Lenovo for its quad-core LePad tablet PC, which is set to enter mass production after the Lunar New Year in January, according to sources from the upstream supply chain.
Specifications include the all new NVIDIA’s Tegra 3 processor which will be clocked at 1.6 GHz, 2 GB of DDR3 RAM, and a high resolution display (1900x1200). It is also reported to have a full sized USB port, two cameras and a “Special Fusion Skin Body”.
In response to the report, Pegatron said it would not comment on matters concerning individual clients.
Currently, Lenovo's LePad sales are only behind those of Apple's iPad in China with the volume already reaching 160,000 units in the second quarter and a market share of 8.4%, the sources said.
Pegatron was originally the upstream partner of Germany-based Medion, but as Medion was acquired by Lenovo earlier in 2011, Pegatron was able to enter into Lenovo's supply chain and may even have chances to land notebook orders from Lenovo in the future after succeding in receiving tablet PC orders, the sources said.
In addition to Lenovo, Pegatron reportedly also has received orders from Acer and Toshiba for 2012, but the company has again declined to comment on client-related matters.
For the fourth quarter, Pegatron's quarterly profit will have a chance of reaching NT$1 billion (US$32.93 million), or an EPS of NT$0.4. Its EPS for the first three quarters of the year was negative NT$0.38.
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T2's memory bandwidth and GPU was bottleneck for Honeycomb. The improvement on T3 might be just enough for 1280*800, but not good enough 1920*1200.
Anyway, that's just pure speculation. It would be interesting to see the actual products coming with T3 on 1920*1200
No, I don't have a first-generation tablet for it to be an upgrade from, and I'm interested in it first and foremost for the keyboard dock.
I admit I'd prefer to have more RAM, though 1GB is probably sufficient. But the resolution doesn't bother me much: I'd rather have the dock than a higher-resolution screen.
i'm more than happy with the prime thus far, to wait for potential new devices (none of which are around the corner) is to never buy anything because there's always rumors of devices "coming soon". being that the prime has had so many issues getting out of the gate, one could reasonably assume OEM's trying to push all these new panels (1200p, 1080p, 2000p) are going to have some major supply issues and are going to cost more than the prime does with dock.
in the gen1 round, asus was really the only oem who figured out people won't buy your tablet if you price it the same as an ipad and don't offer anything over the excellent ecosystem apple has created for their device, plus the apple logo > all in the mainstreams mind.
as for 2gb of ddr3 over 1gb of ddr2, if ICS can optimize the OS as much as google seems to be promising, then i'm just fine with 1GB.
the real kicker for the prime vs any other tablet is the dock, if it's something you want to use in that fashion, there is no other tablet out there that can compete in that area aside from the tf101.
the tegra3 soc as a whole seems to be running things just fine, until we really see some really AAA games for android, i don't see any problems with it's GPU. and by the time that happens, we'll all have moved on to (or at least i will have) gen3 tablets anyways and be running android 6.0
personally, the dock + having it now + asus' design and general build quality (this thing is THIN and solid) make me not really care about anything lenovo or samsung are going to put out in the next 4 months. (if they put out anything in that time frame at all)
but i already own a prime, so maybe i have some bias in my view
I realy want to get the prime, but i'm afraid to order and get a wifi/gps/screen leeck one. Im gonna wait abit untill the others comeout[lenovo,acer] maybe the price will drop and the units will finnaly have everything working.
If you're waiting for the price to drop. You'll be waiting a year at least.
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This screw up on Asus' part is unacceptable in my opinion Johnny Shih announced this thing over two months ago at AsiaD and from that point on they should have been manufacturing these things 24/7 since then to meet the demand. But they obviously didn't because they couldn't even fulfill the initial preorders. If they can't fulfill the initial pre-orders how are they supposed to meet the ACTUAL demand of the entire market. I'm not giving up on this thing because I can't phyisically get it. I'm giving up because by the time they actually do meet demand, Tegra 4 processors will be PRIMED for release.
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I guess everyone gets caught up in the specs wars but as far as the ram goes I think one gig of ram is plenty for the prime.Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the the original ipad only have half a gig of ram & it runs as smooth as silk?? If the Ipad ran sluggish people would say it needed more ram.But the software is just optimized for that amount of ram & that's why people compare every tablet to the ipad. I've seen videos of ICS running on the nexus & it's very fluid.ICS is the software that's been so badly needed that's why Asus wanted the Prime to ship with it.
i was not impressed with the primes hardware, software or screen. IMO my HP Touchpad runs better, good roms and screen colors are better.
selling it. dont become negative this is just my conclusion after testing each side by side. the primes price makes it not worth it to me considering the HP Touchpad does everything I would use the prime for but better and it was $300 cheaper.
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I realy want to get the prime, but i'm afraid to order and get a wifi/gps/screen leeck one. Im gonna wait abit untill the others comeout[lenovo,acer] maybe the price will drop and the units will finnaly have everything working.
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I understand feeling this way. My Prime will be delivered on Wednesday and based on the various threads I have been concerned that there could be problems. This will be my first tablet and just like buying a laptop or anything electronic if there is a problem I will simply exchange it or have it repaired. I am not going to let the concern about a problem that may not exist on my tablet to keep me from getting one. FWIW.
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i was not impressed with the primes hardware, software or screen. IMO my HP Touchpad runs better, good roms and screen colors are better.
selling it. dont become negative this is just my conclusion after testing each side by side. the primes price makes it not worth it to me considering the HP Touchpad does everything I would use the prime for but better and it was $300 cheaper.
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Can you please stop posting that the whole time in every topic? Your HP Touchpad isn't running Honeycomb, so that isn't making sense at all. Thanks.
You ask if we are still getting the Prime after hearing that it isnt perfect?
I ask back: Why did you want to get it in the first place? I guess only you can answer that and see if it justifies the cost.
For me its pretty simple. I never had a Tablet before because the iPad doesnt offer the features i'm looking for. And i have a general rule not to buy first gen stuff. For obvious reasons i think (mainly because the companies are experimenting with stuff in 1st gen).
Along came the prime, offering everything i was looking for while not being a 1st gen device. Sure there will be better tablets in the future, with different features like screen resolution, but its the 2nd gen tablet from asus. End of story Again what features are required to make it 2nd gen? Resolution? Cpu clock? Amount of Ram?
For me being light and thin is one of the most important things on a Tablet. There is no other tablet as thin and light as the Prime, while still having all the features.
My post is getting long :/ But my last point is: Dont judge the software in its current state. It was planned as a ICS tablet but HC was needed to meet the release date. I would have been surprised if it was without bugs... I even expect some problems when ICS comes out simply because its still very new. If you want a system that is fully matured you have to go with iPad. Apple has a year more of experience with tablets than Android and the software is extremly minimalistic (->fewer bugs).
I intend to keep my Prime for quite some time. And i know that one year from now it will have none of the software problems it might has now.
But it will still have that keyboard dock with USB/SDcard, good if not better battery life than now (software optimizations!), many awesome Tegra3 games, good camera, light and thin etcetcetc.
I've used the original Transformer since launch day (I was fortunate to get it when within 3 minutes of when it came available on Amazon, and so skipped these shenanigans; I had no idea how frustrating it was). My opinion is that a typical 10" tablet (and I'm including the iPad 2 here) is of marginal value TO ME (only speaking for myself here) without the kind of integrated keyboard dock that's available for the Transformer/Prime.
I say this because other than writing notes and rough drafts (I don't consider ANY tablet ready for complex document creation of any kind), I don't find a 10" tablet of much use. I'd much rather have a 7" tablet for everything else I use the tablet form factor for, such as ebook reading, RSS reading, casual browsing, and casual gaming. And if I were to get a 7" tablet, I'd see no reason to spend more than the $199 or $249 for the Kinde Fire or Nook Tablet.
That said, the keyboard dock really does change the equation for me. It gives me something I can take to all-day meetings and use for taking notes, without the slightest concern about battery life. It also lets me pop the tablet into the dock when I'm researching at night in bed and want to write something quickly--and I can do it without needing to grab a notebook tray because the dock/tablet combo generates no heat and has no vents to cover.
So for me, the Prime seems like the perfect device. Faster than my Transformer and with a brighter screen so I can read it outdoors on my back porch (very important to me since I live in SoCal and we get lots of sun), and thinner/lighter so it's more comfortable for ebook reading. It's fine for casual gaming and video, and then for all the other things I use a tablet for.
I don't care about specs like 2GB RAM vs. 1GB RAM, because I've found my Transformer to perform well enough as it is. I also don't care about higher resolution screens, because I'd much rather have the additional brightness and battery savings. And, I like the $499 price for 32GB (vs. $599 for the iPad 2 and the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 when it first came out). I don't want to spend more than that for a tablet, and I guarantee these higher-spec'd devices WILL cost more unless they have an Apple icon on them.
Finally, although we can knock ASUS for their questionable tablet product launches, we can't knock them for how they've supported the Transformer after the fact. The Transformer was always a very close second to the Xoom in getting the latest versions of Honeycomb, and ASUS was quick to fix any issues introduced by new firmware versions. They've provided a great mix of features without heavy skinning of Honeycomb. They'll also be the first, I'm sure, to release ICS, and they'll do it for both the Prime and the original Transformer.
That kind of support is worth quite a bit to me. My wife JUST got Honeycomb 3.2 on her Galaxy Tab 10.1, and I'm guessing it'll be Q2 before she sees ICS. We're pretty much guaranteed to get ICS on the Prime in January. Does anyone really see Lenovo or anyone else providing that level of support? I don't...
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I guess everyone gets caught up in the specs wars but as far as the ram goes I think one gig of ram is plenty for the prime.Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the the original load only have half a gig of ram & it runs as smooth as silk??
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My concern about RAM comes from my SGS, which has 512MB. That's enough for any particular task, but I find that it's poor at multitasking, especially where the browser is concerned. The RAM isn't sufficient for browser + much anything else, so starting the browser kicks other applications out of memory, and leaving it means returning to the browser requires reloading any open pages.
I do think that 1GB will probably be enough though. How much RAM does the Prime have free for applications?
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i was not impressed with the primes hardware, software or screen. IMO my HP Touchpad runs better, good roms and screen colors are better.
selling it. dont become negative this is just my conclusion after testing each side by side. the primes price makes it not worth it to me considering the HP Touchpad does everything I would use the prime for but better and it was $300 cheaper.
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If you supposedly sold your prime (that as far as I am concerned you may or may not have ever owned) then why are you still trolling these threads. Go back to the TP threads. For the record I'm no Asus fanboy; I'm just tired of reading your trollish posts...Load CM7 on this supposed Prime that you have sold or are selling and then do the comparison of your discontinued tab vs the Prime.
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I am trying to decide on one 7" tablet. The Acer A100 is a full fledged HC tablet, but has horrible battery life and a screen with sub par viewing angles. The NT from what I have seen has a great screen, better battery life, but you lose the benefits of a full fledged tablet. I know we can side load apps, block OTA's, etc. Custom Roms are the biggest factor in making this decision, since the A100 has less development going on for it than the NT. I get my fix with my Nexus S 4G, so that takes care of that fix. I don't really want to spend more than $300 total.
As much as I like the NT, if you're looking for a full Android tablet experience, then you should go for the Acer.
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... since the A100 has less development going on for it than the NT.
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Is that even possible? Something with less development than the NT? That must be a dog of a device if it is.
I have been doing some more research, and I don't think I can live with 4 hours of battery life. That is just horrendous for today's standards. I weighed my needs, what I actually would do on the device, and will be getting the NT. Custom ROMS are great, but they don't offer much to what I want to do. The most intensive game I may get for the NT would be dead space.
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The most intensive game I may get for the NT would be dead space.
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If you can figure out HOW to get dead space, I'd be much obliged if you'd pass along the info.
Android Market and Amazon both say it's incompatible with the Nook.
Bummer.
I read somewhere in a post regarding militia market. I don't know if it is an illegal means of obtaining apk's, but it was just an example of the most intensive app I would more than likely use.
i did the same research but i end up taking the risk and get the NT, why? because as seen with the nook color its the only tablet apart of galaxy tab that has official cyanogenmod support as well as MIUI so that is just awesome, though i was thinking to get the nook color but 50 bucks more for double ram, mic and 1ghz dual core processor was worthy for me, now i bought when i didn't realized about the serious stand-by of development cause of the locked bootloader, now yesterday i just read a post of a user stating that he tried all possible ways to root the device that just got without success that means B&N did another of their tricks to not allow us to root the device, so now i think im screwed because its already being shipped from USA to equador. I didn't mind to wait for development of ROMs but this is too much, i just hope devs find a way, i'll wait 'till january if not i'll try to sell it and get the nook color or any other. Guess was too good to be true lol. Must be optimist but as i said is a risk, take it or not is up to you.
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Yeah, even the Acer has issues with dev, but Acer will be developing ICS for it. My only other option in the price range I am looking at is the KF. So, I may take the hit on hardware specs for development purposes.
i'm in a similar boat, own a Nexus S 4G and bought both a Nook Tablet for my wife and an A100 for myself.
Overall I prefer the A100. Viewing angle is honestly not as bad as reviews say, development is pretty non existant but HC now and ICS later is nice simply for having apps suited for a tablet, and Tegra is overall more gamer friendly.
Nook screen is great and I prefer the physical design, but you miss out on tablet oriented stuff like the persistant status bar and some stuff is just goofy due to the tablet not being meant for standard android use. I am however having a great time keeping an eye on adamoutler and the other guys trying to get past the bootloader.
@neonjam: Would you say that the battery life is comparable as well? Do you think the acer sync software is a hassle as well?
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@neonjam: Would you say that the battery life is comparable as well? Do you think the acer sync software is a hassle as well?
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the battery on the A100 is only 3/4 the capacity of the NT, and I don't believe it's CPU/GPU is as power efficient as the NT's OMAP either. I don't own one so I don't know what the real-world result is though
I had the same dilemma. Went into Best Buy planning on getting the Tablet then saw the Acer there with stock Honeycomb on it for the same price. Went back and forth for a while but after playing with both it was clear the Tablet was just a much better product if you could get past the software limitations. Acer's rep as long as I can remember has always been to make cheap electronics, both in price and quality. Glad I got the tablet after all the great developers here who helped me to root it, block the OTA and get it set up to a non-B&N experience. Have been thoroughly impressed with the device for being only $250 with or without custom Roms or even Honeycomb.
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i did the same research but i end up taking the risk and get the NT, why? because as seen with the nook color its the only tablet apart of galaxy tab that has official cyanogenmod support as well as MIUI so that is just awesome, though i was thinking to get the nook color but 50 bucks more for double ram, mic and 1ghz dual core processor was worthy for me, now i bought when i didn't realized about the serious stand-by of development cause of the locked bootloader, now yesterday i just read a post of a user stating that he tried all possible ways to root the device that just got without success that means B&N did another of their tricks to not allow us to root the device, so now i think im screwed because its already being shipped from USA to equador. I didn't mind to wait for development of ROMs but this is too much, i just hope devs find a way, i'll wait 'till january if not i'll try to sell it and get the nook color or any other. Guess was too good to be true lol. Must be optimist but as i said is a risk, take it or not is up to you.
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You can root the Tablet, but no custom roms yet due to the locked bootloader.