Barnes and Noble just announced their Nook Tablet and it is only 50 dollars more than the Kindle Fire. Personally, I am leaning more towards the Kindle Fire because I get one month of Amazon Prime free, but the Nook tablet has a lot going for it. Specs wise, they are actually pretty similar.
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So anyone planning on getting either of these tablets? Maybe both?
all i want to say is: CM9
give these things CM'd stock ICS, and the nook touch will pwn the kindle fire, in every way.
I really like the form factor of the Fire but 8gb of storage? Not ideal if you're traveling and want to load up a few movies. I'd need something with a bit more space for trips (of any length). Not bad for surfing at home though.
Moved
Will be interesting to find out if the NT is as easy to root as the original NC. Love my rooted NC, and the fact it is just about bombproof (aka screwing it up by rooting, ROM'ing, etc) makes it a tablet that can continue to grow with each new ROM version.
Love the new specs on the NT as well, so will be watching the dev community closely to see how rooting of it goes. My kids would be happy taking over my NC if I grab a NT
canadariot2312 said:
Barnes and Noble just announced their Nook Tablet and it is only 50 dollars more than the Kindle Fire. Personally, I am leaning more towards the Kindle Fire because I get one month of Amazon Prime free, but the Nook tablet has a lot going for it. Specs wise, they are actually pretty similar.
So anyone planning on getting either of these tablets? Maybe both?
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This comparison chart is outdated and should be fixed ASAP.
1. B&N has fooled consumers into their newly NT with 1.2GHz processor, but it's 1.0 GHz in reality.
2. The new NT officially claimed to have 11.5 hrs of reading and 9 hrs of watching video/clip
They might have limited the clock speed to up the battery life on paper.
chances
mtmerrick said:
all i want to say is: CM9
give these things CM'd stock ICS, and the nook touch will pwn the kindle fire, in every way.
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what do we think the chances of this are?
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what do we think the chances of this are?
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unless there are unforseen complications, almost guaranteed. for both the Nook Tablet and the Kindle Fire.
Both are amazing devices for their pricepoint.
For novice/non techy users, probably the Fire is better, but it depends on if they want b&n or amazon content.
For advanced/techy rooting users, the Nook tablet is the way to go.
If both devices were side by side, both on, say, CM7, the nook would win because of the hardware.
Sent from my Samsung Legendary 4G, a Universe UTES Phone, running "two. two"
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what do we think the chances of this are?
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I would say 95% chance this NT will get ICS update either from B&N or from CM8/9.
The remain question is: will the original NC get CM8/9-ICS or not.
I do hope so.
votinh said:
This comparison chart is outdated and should be fixed ASAP.
1. B&N has fooled consumers into their newly NT with 1.2GHz processor, but it's 1.0 GHz in reality.
2. The new NT officially claimed to have 11.5 hrs of reading and 9 hrs of watching video/clip
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3. The NT also has a microphone. Small yet effective positive addition...
There's more features in NT that even B&N forgets to mention sometimes:
-- a fully functional mic/sound recorder (I'm not sure is it a double mic like in BB Playbook -- a reference platform for both AK Fire and NT, or a single mic, but it's huge)
-- laminated IPS is supposed to be better than what NC has. Nobody knows what effect in reality this lamination has, even the reviewers who put NT and NC side by side for their Photo session.
As for chances of CM7, then CM9 to be build for NT, these are good. There was even a chance of verygreen's size-agnostic SD card booting CM7 right there, at the presentation.
(more details can be found in my blog)
I can sideload my epub library to the Nook without an issue. I cannot inject anything into the Kindle Fire, I have to buy it from Amazon.
There is also the 'hidden' cost of Amazon Prime. Each device has to have a person with an Amazon Prime account. If you don't already have such an account, that is an additional $80/year after any free incentives run out, versus the Nook Tablet which never has any maintenance fees, ever.
For those two reasons alone, I'm staying with the Nook. The hardware (probably faster speed, more RAM, more storage, expansion slot that 99.9% likely is the primary boot device, microphone) seals the deal.
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I can sideload my epub library to the Nook without an issue. I cannot inject anything into the Kindle Fire, I have to buy it from Amazon.
There is also the 'hidden' cost of Amazon Prime. Each device has to have a person with an Amazon Prime account. If you don't already have such an account, that is an additional $80/year after any free incentives run out, versus the Nook Tablet which never has any maintenance fees, ever.
For those two reasons alone, I'm staying with the Nook. The hardware (probably faster speed, more RAM, more storage, expansion slot that 99.9% likely is the primary boot device, microphone) seals the deal.
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I have a Kindle and I "inject" converted mobi books from ePub through Calibre just fine
Amazon Prime is NOT required to own a Kindle Fire. Without Prime benefits, you can use the device for its intended purposes, just fine. If you are going to root with a custom ROM, none of those would matter, though. For people who are going to run other ROMs on KF or NT, the decision will be at the "hardware" level, instead of comparing the ecosystem of Amazon to B&N.
Thinking it over some, I will recommend the Kindle Fire and associated Amazon Ecosystem to my friends that come to me for computer buying/repair advice.
Personally the Amazon stock GUI is much better than the B&N stock GUI.
Amazon did a great job at pulling off a user friendly device.
As a person who likes to be in control of my technology, I will pick up a Nook Tablet. If it turns out that it is wide open like the NC, I will be an early adopter of the NT.
They have the same SoC, at least superficially identical screens, and very similar size/weight. From my perspective, assuming comparable levels of developer support--something that remains to be seen, really--the question is whether it's worth $50 for more storage, more RAM, and a microSD slot.
Complaining about being "locked in" to either system strikes me as unworthy of these forums. Amazon already said they'll allow sideloading, and even if B&N doesn't at the start, it should be easy enough to root your Nook and set it up. Both run gingerbread, so if you don't want to use Amazon's or B&N's ecosystem, then there are plenty of alternative apps available. Or better yet, install CM9 when it's ready and dump the entire pre-installed experience.
In terms of stock interface, Amazon definitely looks more slick, and Silk is a great idea. Amazon also offers streaming music and movies, as well as cloud services, while B&N is reliant on partner support for anything besides books. While third party support is an advantage in some cases, such as ability to borrow stuff from your local library, my gut feeling is that the majority of people who buy these things don't really use features that aren't readily accessible from the default interface.
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I can sideload my epub library to the Nook without an issue. I cannot inject anything into the Kindle Fire, I have to buy it from Amazon.
There is also the 'hidden' cost of Amazon Prime. Each device has to have a person with an Amazon Prime account. If you don't already have such an account, that is an additional $80/year after any free incentives run out, versus the Nook Tablet which never has any maintenance fees, ever.
For those two reasons alone, I'm staying with the Nook. The hardware (probably faster speed, more RAM, more storage, expansion slot that 99.9% likely is the primary boot device, microphone) seals the deal.
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Where have you gotten the completely false info about the KF?
I own the nook color with CM7 and love it..
That said
1> Kindle fire will outsell Nook Tablet due to the price difference.. 90% of the consumers wont care about the add ons on the nook Tablets..
2> BN will be forced to drop the price after 3 months to match KF..
Hopefully BN makes money on the reduced price to keep the competition in the space alive..
Personally i like the microphone in the nook which was a key feature for me.. because i can run skype while on vacation..
I am going to go for the nook touch over the kindle fire for the microphone.. HTC Flyer might see a price drop so that might be on the list too..
Like others have said, if you don't want to think about it, buy an apple- (insert gadget name) but if you want choices then go with Android.
Amazon is sort of going the way of Apple by making certain decisions for us wee little consumers. They create and simplify their own ecosystem and it looks appealing to non-techies.
If I can draw a metaphor:
Apple has a yard full of the coolest toys that you cannot take home, fenced in with razor wire.
Amazon has a friendlier yard with cool toys too but you can't help but miss some of your favorite ones, ie the Android market.
B&N has a fenced in yard that they don't seem to enforce and for people who like wide open spaces without too many rules, it's great. They had better work on their website and access to apps to stay competitive though.
You just have to figure out whose yard you want to play in.
I hate overpaying at B&N so I hope they work something out to continue to be a viable competitor.
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Listen, I understand how people are looking at KF and thinking - man, it's already rooted, has CWM and ROMS are but a minute away. Our NT is still locked down, and we're being told it may stay this way.
So naturally, being in your return period, you're thinking about switching boats to KF.
I have one word explaining why that's a real bad idea: SPECS.
Ok, say you have a KF running CM on it.
RAM - you have 512MB RAM. That's low, not enough for GB or ICS. No need arguing that GB will run on it - yes it will, but it'll never be as smooth as a 1GB RAM device. Android will keep closing apps to free up mem, that creates response lag.
Anybody who had an original SGS with GB on it knows - you just can't make an SGSII out of it, it will always lag here and there. Read engadget review - they are complaining about how laggy it is.
Memory - You've got 6GB memory. That's it. You'll never have any more. That means you'll constantly feel deprived of space - you can't load full HD movies to watch, you can't load your music collection on it. You'll constantly be sacrificing something.
Books/Media store - you only have access to Amazon media store, since B&N doesn't have a store you can install and use. On a NT, though, without any root we already can stream Amazon content, read Kindle books, and that's all with native support of everything B&N has to offer.
No MIC - forget about using your Fire with Google Voice. There's no mic. Also forget about recording yourself reading books to your kids, to use in case you're on vacation or something.
Amazon Cloud you say? Yes, but only where you have a good WiFi connection. As soon as you're out of range - the fun stops. Phone tethering you say? Those 2GB will disappear MEGA FAST if you stream to your KF.
Amazon videos you say? Sure, but remember - that ain't free. Pay Amazon Prime membership fee, then also pay for movies themselves. And again, only when on WiFi and you don't get to keep it.
On the other hand, consider this:
With NT, even without root, we already have a device that's:
Very snappy
Able to sideload apps
Able to run a different launcher
Able to run Opera browser - nice n fast
Able to run 720p videos in browser, full screen
Able to play almost any video up to full-HD 1080p BlueRay
Able to play AVI files with free third-party players (no need for conversion)
Has 33GB+ of memory with an added SD card. I've just loaded tons of movies, books, magazines and music on it, and still have space remaining
Will be able to be used as a phone with Google Voice
Run Amazon Market (some have reported that even older Android Market APK works)
Run both Amazon's and B&N's premium content.
Think about it. Yes, KF was hacked faster than our NT was, but in the end, we already have almost everything we need, AND we have a much more powerful device.
KF was quicker at the start, but it has almost depleted its potential as a modern Android tablet, considering what future versions of Android need. Our device still has tons of untapped potential.
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Engadget released a comparison between the two HERE.
Here are some interesting parts for the lazy:
Both tablets are a good size for one-handed reading, though the Nook edges out the Kindle here a bit, with its slightly lighter weight (14.1 ounces to the Fire's 14.6). The Nook's subtly convex back and plastic bezel make a bit easier to hold.
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Both devices rock 1GHz dual-core processors, but the Nook has an edge here, with its 1GB of RAM to the Fire's 512MB -- and certainly the difference is noticeable, even when booting up something as simple as a game like Angry Birds. Things are even more pronounced during video playback. We took Shutter Island for a spin via Netflix streaming on both devices, and it was really like night and day. Motion is far less choppy on the Barnes & Noble device. The HD playback on the Nook also picked up subtle imagery like patterns on ties, which were largely lost on the Fire.
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tl;dr version: PATIENCE!
+1 to NT and I repped you too!
oh wait..not SD. LOL
That is why everyone needs to pull their pants back up and wait.
It will be rooted.
I also voted this thread up!
How hard would it be for them to close the sideload loophole? The thing updates automatically, right? Obviously they are not going to be excited hearing about everyone using the Amazon store.
I agree the Fire is not a good alternative for exactly your reasons, but that doesn't necessarily mean that this is worth keeping if it turns out to be locked down tight.
compscure said:
How hard would it be for them to close the sideload loophole? The thing updates automatically, right? Obviously they are not going to be excited hearing about everyone using the Amazon store.
I agree the Fire is not a good alternative for exactly your reasons, but that doesn't necessarily mean that this is worth keeping if it turns out to be locked down tight.
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In my opinion, a locked NT as it is right now is still much better than a KF running CM.
But given that they locked it down, don't you think it was a mistake/accident that they allowed apk installs through the browser? When they push the first update will that ability still be there?
DarkDvr, normally i would agree with you if the market only have two 7inch tablet to choose from (KF and NT). However this is not the case, we have tons of options in 7inch tablet market, and if B&N really is being an ass to lock down the NT, then people can choose other tablets that might fit their need better.
Last year when NC came out there was only two 7inch tablet (NC, and Samsung Tab), so we get a lot more developer support, and people are willing to be more patient, but this is no longer the case.
7inch tablets:
Nook Tablet
Kindle Fire
Samsung Tab (~$250 refurbished for 3g version, cheaper for wifi version)
Nook Color ($199)
Lenovo Idea Pad A1 (Cortext A8, 512mb ram, bluetooth, GPS, f/b camera, microsd slot, $199)
Acer Iconia Tab A100 (tegra 2, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, bluetooth, f/b camera, <$200 on BF)
Kobo Vox (Cortex A8, 512 ram, Gingerbread, MicroSd, $199)
Samsung Tab 7.0 Plus (Exynos dual core, 1gb ram, honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, $399)
Samsung Tab 7.7 (Exynos, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, 1280x800, price?)
HTC Flyer (1.5ghz, pen input, $299)
Dell Streak 7 Tablet (Tegra 2, 800x480, Honeycomb, f/b camera)
And those are only the major brands, there are other off brands like Archos, Velocity Micro, Coby, that i didn't include.
So to me, if B&N really want to piss off the community that help make their NC a success to began with, then I will vote with my wallet and let them know that it is not a good idea to piss off the people your loyal customer, and your first adopter for the NT.
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Don't get me wrong, I still have high hope for the NT, and i really like the NC/NT simple but elegant design. However if B&N really choose to lookdown the NT's bootloader (which the dev community haven't conclusively proven yet), then i really don't want to buy a product from a company that chooses to piss off it's loyal customers.
gordon1hd1 said:
7inch tablets:
Nook Tablet
Kindle Fire
Samsung Tab (~$250 refurbished for 3g version, cheaper for wifi version)
Nook Color ($199)
Lenovo Idea Pad A1 (Cortext A8, 512mb ram, bluetooth, GPS, f/b camera, microsd slot, $199)
Acer Iconia Tab A100 (tegra 2, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, bluetooth, f/b camera, <$200 on BF)
Kobo Vox (Cortex A8, 512 ram, Gingerbread, MicroSd, $199)
Samsung Tab 7.0 Plus (Exynos dual core, 1gb ram, honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, $399)
Samsung Tab 7.7 (Exynos, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, 1280x800, price?)
HTC Flyer (1.5ghz, pen input, $299)
Dell Streak 7 Tablet (Tegra 2, 800x480, Honeycomb, f/b camera)
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True, I definitely think that locking NT was a huge mistake that B&N will pay for, but for some of us NT IS the best option.
Samsung Tab - 10 inch heavy shovel - screw that
NC - too weak and laggy, even after mods
Lenovo - 512 RAM, weak
Acer Iconia - I see $330+ price even for 8GB version
Kobo Vox - 512 RAM and don't trust that brand
Samsung Tab 7.0 Plus - 400+tax for a tablet is overpriced
Samsung Tab 7.7 - even more expensive?
HTC Flyer - slow and laggy, overpriced since day 1
Dell Streak - slow and laggy, low res screen
What I'm saying is that when you, like me, are in the market for a cheap tablet, there's only 2 good options - NT and KF. Rest of them are either overpriced as a device (going into netbook or UP category, where they just can't compete) or some shady brands.
At least that's my thinking.
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Don't get me wrong, I still have high hope for the NT, and i really like the NC/NT simple but elegant design. However if B&N really choose to lookdown the NT's bootloader (which the dev community haven't conclusively proven yet), then i really don't want to buy a product from a company that chooses to piss off it's loyal customers.
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Agreed, and given a choice, I'd always go for a company that doesn't insult my intelligence and doesn't treat its customers as morons. However, I have full faith in XDA community and still believe this will get hacked. And when it does, I'll be pointing finger at KF and laughing maniacally.
Depending on the weather here on the forum in the next 12 days, B&N may be losing my $260 to a Samsung G 7+ (maybe even a KF if I'm feeling crazy). Or just wait a few months see what turns up after Christmas.
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So to me, if B&N really want to piss off the community that help make their NC a success to began with, then I will vote with my wallet and let them know that it is not a good idea to piss off the people your loyal customer, and your first adopter for the NT.
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I saw a quote linked somewhere here recently from someone from B&N and they said something about 3% of NC coming from modders. I don't know how accurate or guesstimated that number was, but we shouldn't forget that they sell millions of these devices to normal consumers and there are only thousands of us. I'd like to think they keep people like us in mind, but we certainly aren't they primary market by a long shot.
I agree that there are lots of other options, but it's disheartening when none seem to have the build quality and specs in the same price range as the Nook models, excluding BF sales that might be hard to get. The IdeaPad looks intriguing at first glance but is the same basic hardware as the year-old NC and with a worse screen (and eww: the $200 version has 2GB storage that probably won't ever fit ICS). Acer A100 looks nice but also has a cheaper screen and a small battery.
DarkDvr while i am like you, think that the NT might be the best fit for my use case also. But with so many choices out there, i think our dev and support community won't be anywhere near the same as it was with NC. Plus with the bone headed move on B&N part, i don't see many true devotee sticking to the NT like yourself. And that is the ultimate problem, without a strong dev community, the NT most likely won't get all the goodies like CM7/CM9, which is what made the NC awesome.
By the way the Samsung Tab i was referring to earlier is the 7inch model, the same one that came out right before NC. Both are rocking Cortex-A8 processor.
I am honestly VERY happy with the status of my KT right now. As it stands, with a launcher, widgetlocker app and all the other sideloaded apps I wanted I have everything i wanted.
I dont care if I lose amazon marketplace support, because honestly I can find any apk I want all amazon does is give me a way to read reviews (which i can through the browser + android market)
the only thing, and trust me it is a HUGE thing, i am terrified of is that come day 15 or 16 or even 30, B&N releases a firmware update i cannot click 'no' to and it updates my nook and closes the hole we've been using. I dont know if its possible, but I reckon it is and that would make me a very sad camper since stock, this thing is a total piece of **** software wise (nook market is worthless), i bought a tablet, not an ereader.
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I saw a quote linked somewhere here recently from someone from B&N and they said something about 3% of NC coming from modders. I don't know how accurate or guesstimated that number was, but we shouldn't forget that they sell millions of these devices to normal consumers and there are only thousands of us. I'd like to think they keep people like us in mind, but we certainly aren't they primary market by a long shot.
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Boomn i think you underestimate the word of mouth, and unofficial advertisement B&N get from the modder community. Every few weeks there is a story on Engadget, Liliputing or Gizmodo about how great the NC community is, and the release of the a popular Rom for the NC. Or how most of the highly rated reviews on B&N, Amazon, BB are from modder who brought the NC to use as a tablet. So while we as a community might be small, but our influences on "Normal" people's purchase decision are much higher than B&N thinks.
And if B&N think that they can piss off the dev community, while taking on Amazon, and all the other 7inch tablet maker out there, and still make the NT a commercial success, they might be in for huge disappointment. Just look at how many of the NT and KF review out there mention rooting or app side-loading as part of the official review, and how much negative PR B&N got from the 1GB storage limitation on the review sites.
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Because I live in Italy I'll receive my NT only on 26Nov. (if I will lucky), so no give back option for me
So.. I really, really hope that a hack will be found. Just the root will be enough for me
With the root we'll be able to run custom recovery, trow away what we don't need and add what is missing (settings, etc).
BTW for me realease the source and lock the bootloader is a nonsense!
First post.
I'm a full-time iOS developer with about 6 iOS devices on my desk right now. I really like iOS and love developing for it. Having said that....
I picked up a Kindle (e-ink) about a year ago and then switched to a Nook Simple Touch the day they were released. I've been watching the KF/NT release with great interest.
I eventually decided on the Nook Tablet and stumbled across this site the day I got it (the 16th). I have been blown away by the things you people have accomplished in just a couple of days and I've had a blast watching the hour-by-hour discoveries.
My main reason for getting the NT was as a reader and everything you folks are doing is icing on the cake. Very nice icing!
I'm also very optimistic that breakthroughs will continue even if the pace slows a bit. For me the KF is just too restricted in capability--even it if can be rooted.
As an aside, I also have access to a handful of Android devices including a 10.1 Galaxy Tab, and a Lenovo Ideapad K1 (it helps when the company is buying), but I prefer the Nook Tablet to either.
As long as I can keep side-loading apps I'll be happy. I certainly understand the sentiments of those not wanting to reward B&N for what appears to be a snub. At the same time as long as they continue to allow me some method to get a few more apps on the device I'm good with it.
It's been my experience that once I get a device setup--either iOS or Android--I really only end up using a handful of apps (after trying dozens)--but I want them to be very good apps that *I* get to choose.
Thank you to you all!
This thread should not exist, has nothing to do with android development and sounds more like a sales pitch than anything.
I get it you prefer the NT, me too but this thread is pointless and should be deleted...
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Boomn i think you underestimate the word of mouth, and unofficial advertisement B&N get from the modder community. Every few weeks there is a story on Engadget, Liliputing or Gizmodo about how great the NC community is, and the release of the a popular Rom for the NC. Or how most of the highly rated reviews on B&N, Amazon, BB are from modder who brought the NC to use as a tablet. So while we as a community might be small, but our influences on "Normal" people's purchase decision are much higher than B&N thinks.
And if B&N think that they can piss off the dev community, while taking on Amazon, and all the other 7inch tablet maker out there, and still make the NT a commercial success, they might be in for huge disappointment. Just look at how many of the NT and KF review out there mention rooting or app side-loading as part of the official review, and how much negative PR B&N got from the 1GB storage limitation on the review sites.
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Good point, we are certainly a vocal and influential bunch. However lots of those "normal" consumers would never check any place like Engadget for any review and have probably never heard of it. Mentions of modding/hacking/flashing in online store reviews go right over lots of people's heads too. Amazon and B&N are going to sell a ton of their tablets through physical stores like Walmart, Target, BestBuy, etc where most people still shop too. I agree that we probably do have more influence than just 3%... and now I'm not even sure where I was going with this point, lol
notinterested said:
This thread should not exist, has nothing to do with android development and sounds more like a sales pitch than anything.
I get it you prefer the NT, me too but this thread is pointless and should be deleted...
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This is the general forum for the NT not the development forum. Calm down.
Knuxr said:
This is the general forum for the NT not the development forum. Calm down.
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My mistake, was on the wrong tab.
Still though, pointless thread is pointless. We all know the better device.
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My mistake, was on the wrong tab.
Still though, pointless thread is pointless. We all know the better device.
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I completely agree with that, but this thread serves as a reminder why it is still better than the Fire, to those that might not know.
notinterested said:
This thread should not exist, has nothing to do with android development and sounds more like a sales pitch than anything.
I get it you prefer the NT, me too but this thread is pointless and should be deleted...
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...Excuse me?
Forgive me for not appreciating your "experience" on XDA since, omg, feb 2010, but this is a General NT forum, and this thread is very much important to people who are right now at a tipping point between NT and KF, considering the latest root news for both devices.
So drink some coolaid and move along, kid.
I'm trying to decide between a kindle fire or a nook tablet. To be honest, the biggest selling point for me is, which will be more like a regular android tablet once rooted and flashed with a new rom eventually. I'm as interested in performance as functionality. I would primarily use it for light gaming, movie watching movies & Netflix, and Playing with apps and live wallpaper lol. Sorry, I'm relatively new to Android but i used to be big in windows mobile and flashing a different Rom every other day. I'm really looking for some personal opinions on this. Thanks a lot guys.
Nook vs Kindle
I have bought nook . Because it has more ram and more storage and the screen is a bit better. But other than that look that they are the same with kindle. Even though looks like kindle will be a bit more famous so that means that it will little more kindle software support and development.
Nook color the father of nook table . A cyanogenmod was released and also Honeycomb so im expecting Ics to come in Nook Tablet and that's enough for my opinion.
Buy a Nook Tablet based on what it can do for you today - not what it might do for you someday.
If you are a daily Rom flasher you might want to hold off. There is no way to do that today on the Nook Tablet - and the Fire is inadequate hardware.
I'm having a good time with my NT, especially since I rooted it. I use it a LOT more than the Dell Streak 7 I just sold. You still can't install custom roms so if that's a biggie, it's probably a deal killer, but I like to tinker with my toys and I'm having fun playing around with all of the launcher options and other tweaks that are available that for the time being, so the lack of roms isn't a big deal. I find it great for light gaming, Netflix and most importantly, I find the SD card extremely useful since I can easily transfer media from one tablet to another.
Honestly I'm concerned about the nook's bootloader being locked down and from what I've seen, the hardware is near identical to the kindle, but the kindle only has 512 megs of memory, however, the nook does have the sd card slot
The fire will be more popular, but the nook tablet is the better 7" tablet stock. Even with only root the nook tablet can do everything the fire can do, just a bit better. You can install amazon market,do amazon video etc....just like the fire,plus it has the sd slot
If you decide to go with the Fire - Enjoy the 6GB's of limited space you will be using, not to even mention the 512MB of ram.
If you decide to go with the nook - Enjoy the 16GB's onboard memory, 1GB of ram, mic and SD slot that adds up to another 32GB's.
Also, watch this video to see what happens when the Fire is dropped on concrete : Goggle Drop Test: Nook Tablet Vs Kindle Fire (Giveaway) : I cannot post links for another 8 posts
The Fire is coated with something that makes the glass very bendable ( or so I've read ) thus making any type of drop on the Fire's screen crack the entire screen rather than part of it - enjoy
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I used the Kindle Fire and The Nook Tablet side by side for a week. I ended up keeping the Tablet and returning the Fire. But then, I wasn't looking for a color e-reader to be "all things tablet." The nook does all things smoother and has better hardware than the Fire. On the other hand, the Fire is considered "Cooler" than the Nook and has "Amazon" in it's gene pool. The Nook Tablet is locked down tight and there's a good chance you can never do all the uber-cool things you want to do making it into a tablet. From your original post, I'd say get the Fire for your needs as it is open to mods moreso than the Nook Tab. It would be a shame if, after a month or so you were endlessly on the various sites complaining about how the Nook Tablet you own has a locked down bootloader and you can't hack it to your heart's content and make a silk purse out of it. At least with the Fire, you can take it in any direction you want and have no excuses for not making it the tablet you desire.
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Is there an app that I can download to get that homepage on my Nook?
The Fire may be (at this point) the more moddable, hackable tablet, but why even bother if you can't enjoy smooth video playback? From what I've heard, the stock (rooted, sideloaded) Nook plays Amazon Prime video better than the Fire. The 512MB RAM really killed it for me.
Now with Ice Cream Sandwich.
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The Fire may be (at this point) the more moddable, hackable tablet, but why even bother if you can't enjoy smooth video playback? From what I've heard, the stock (rooted, sideloaded) Nook plays Amazon Prime video better than the Fire. The 512MB RAM really killed it for me.
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Yeah, same for me. I tested both devices for a while as well, and tested them against full android 7inch tablets, a few 10inchers, the color, old eInk ones etc. It actually did make a significant different, the memory and slightly faster processor. The microsd slot is really what killed it for me though against the KF specifically.
If you're approaching either device looking for an android tablet to do all things, then both will fail imo. If you're looking for a book/video/comics/browser/note taking device, with lots of expansion space, this is a great device (and for hundreds cheaper than OK 7inchers). The screen is REALLY nice for comics; this is where I noticed vibrant/color differences, and legibility (that is likely stock software comparisons).
Other things I noticed that were better (sometimes a bit better, sometimes a lot better) than the KF, HTC Flyer, Iconia, other 7inchers, etc:
- screen was more response; sometimes too response. This makes it tolerate screen protectors better (sidenote). This was a big factor in "should I get an HTC flyer?" for me, and the response level was surprising.
- screen was a bit more vibrant than the KF; different warmth levels I think? The KF shipped with screens that REALLY varied though.
- the NT grips better in my hands and I actually use the little loop quite often to stabilize it in my hand
- volume buttons. I use them a lot, and more than expected. I've definitely had websites try and blow out my ears with their default audio when I've had earphones on. speaking of audio, the NT only has one speaker so earphones are highly recommended. Probably the biggest minus for the device.
I too watched the KF vs NT dropped onto concrete video and was pretty horrified/amused. The protective frame really seems useful on the NT and it seems sturdier. I DO prefer the darker frame of the Nook Color though. I have already tested it on carpet from 5 feet or so, accidentally :/
Mines slipped off the bed a few times but did not get hurt considering its only 3 feet or so. Done the same with my phone to many times to count and that survives just fine as well. The screen is starting to get greasy tho so I need to find a way of protecting that. Mom should be getting me a cover or something this xmas considering its around the corner now. I was wondering about the screen on the fire compared to the one on the nook considering I have herd the nook has the better screen and have seen pics where the fire just sucks becuase its to washed out and to blue which means its to cool.
Nook tablet should be the far superior tablet if you want to turn it into an android tablet.
I can't understand why anyone on this forum would choose a fire over a nook tablet. The ram, the sd card slot, double the built-in storage. The nook's screen is also better--it's brighter, has better contrast, and more lively colors.
The fire also has no volume buttons, which was idiotic. Having a full home button is also pretty important, which the nook has.
The fire will clearly be upgraded in probably 6 months or less. It's a first generation product that is missing so many things. I also echo everyone else who has used the fire--it is laggy in every possible way. The lagginess of the fire is very apparent, and the web browser of the nook tablet is much smoother. I have no idea why the fire sells so well--if the masses knew how easy it is to root a nook and then install the amazon marketplace. The only thing that the fire has for it is that it's smaller footprint. The nook seems too big for a 7" tablet, but it is tapered and more pleasant to hold than the fire.
Best thing to do is to head to Best Buy. There you can try them out side by side.
You can always get them both from Best Buy and return the one you don't want. That's what I did and they are totally fine with it.
I ended up going with the KF but the NT has plenty of points in its favor as well.
Personally I didn't find the NT to have hugely better performance, despite having double the RAM. This was the one thing I was most concerned about but it really hasn't made a difference for me.
The NT has better ergonomics. It feels lighter (though looking at their specs it's only 13 g lighter than the KF). Probably a function of being larger and thicker so it's a lot less dense. The screen bezel almost feels padded, which is nice. The other advantages are better battery life, the microSD card slot, and physical buttons.
Disadvantages vs. the KF are price, stock software experience, buggy interface at times (there are some places where you get unreadable white-on-white or black-on-black text), and of course the locked bootloader.
I think the biggest deal for most people is the microSD slot. If you want to take a lot of media with you, the NT is the only way to go. If you don't care about that, then the KF is worth considering if only for the lower price. The other thing is I would recommend the KF over the NT for family members who would probably use it stock. The pure stock experience is awful on the NT and merely okay on the KF. Obviously they both benefit a lot from at least sideloading an alternate launcher, but the NT is practically unusable as anything but an e-reader without doing so.
Hey all. Sorry to bump this semi-dead thread, but I was wondering if I could get an update from you all..
I recently bought a Kindle Fire and have been pretty satisfied with it. I never really took the 512MB of ram into consideration until lately. I've had my fire now for about a month. I rooted it and am currently running CM7 on it with the processor overclocked to 1.2 ghz.
I was playing "scramble with friends" the other day and it did seem a bit laggy.. nothing extreme though, but I'm used to the smoothness. I haven't really played many games on it either to really see how the 512mb ram handles it.
I was wondering for clarification: Is the Nook Tablet's bootloader still unlockable? As in, can't install any customized roms on it?
Is it worth selling this KF to get a NT? I use my tablet for ereading about 5% of the time. 95% of the time I use it for social uses (web browsing, facebook, twitter, etc).
The only negatives I've noticed on my KF are the lack of volume buttons. I installed a widget that lays over the screen to adjust the volume, but I would rather have physical buttons. On the other hand, I don't mind NOT having a home button. I haven't been disadvantaged at all by not having one, so that really doesn't matter to me.
What do you guys think?
I can't comment on the KF due to never having used one. I did however just get done installing CM7 on a friend's NC (somewhat similar to the KF except processor) with it clocked to 1.2 Ghz and I own the NT running CM7 Alpha final and there is a very noticeable difference. The apps took longer to load vs NT. They didn't run as smooth on the NC vs the NT. There was not much available RAM left after loading the basics whereas the NT having 1 Gb of ram there was plenty left after running basics. Also, the main killer for me, and at first I was going to get the KF and now glad I didn't, is the sd card slot. I have kids and it is really nice to have that 32 Gb card to put all the movies I want on it. Plus I have repartitioned my internal to give myself 10 more GB of personal storage space. I do like the KF gorilla glass, that is pretty nice. I think though in the end it is all about personal preference. The KF and NT are both good devices in there own right and price point. The NT is still not completly on par with the straight android tablets in some features, but it is adequate for everything that I want to do. You may want to wait though if they do release the Asus memo370?? 7" tablet. The rumors are going both ways at the moment, but if they do release it at a $249.99 price point it appears it would a very good buy. Just my 2 cents.
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I can't comment on the KF due to never having used one. I did however just get done installing CM7 on a friend's NC (somewhat similar to the KF except processor) with it clocked to 1.2 Ghz and I own the NT running CM7 Alpha final and there is a very noticeable difference. The apps took longer to load vs NT. They didn't run as smooth on the NC vs the NT. There was not much available RAM left after loading the basics whereas the NT having 1 Gb of ram there was plenty left after running basics. Also, the main killer for me, and at first I was going to get the KF and now glad I didn't, is the sd card slot. I have kids and it is really nice to have that 32 Gb card to put all the movies I want on it. Plus I have repartitioned my internal to give myself 10 more GB of personal storage space. I do like the KF gorilla glass, that is pretty nice. I think though in the end it is all about personal preference. The KF and NT are both good devices in there own right and price point. The NT is still not completly on par with the straight android tablets in some features, but it is adequate for everything that I want to do. You may want to wait though if they do release the Asus memo370?? 7" tablet. The rumors are going both ways at the moment, but if they do release it at a $249.99 price point it appears it would a very good buy. Just my 2 cents.
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Thanks for replying. From my understanding, though, is that the Nook Color and the Kindle Fire both have 512MB ram.... but the KF has dual-core processor, as the NC isn't. I suppose this helps the KF with the overall smoothness.
is the bootloader still unlockable...yes...and no. the bootloader is still locked however, you can SKIP IT ENTIRELY on bootup. currently the NT has 2 different basic roms avail in either alpha or beta form
android 4.0(cm9)- alpha- status update the team is plugging away getting the 3.0 kernel ported (updating from the 2.6.7? kernel) before releasing another rom- all they have to do now is sound- and tweak hw video acceleration i think. i am not sure if this version works on the 8gig NT yet
android 2.3.7?(cm7) early beta/late alpha form- 2 identical versions- one installed internally, one installed via microsd card- both work very well for where they are at.-both also work for BOTH versions of the NT
so if i was to choose between the fire and NT- i'd get the NT(16gig).
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Hey all. Sorry to bump this semi-dead thread, but I was wondering if I could get an update from you all..
I recently bought a Kindle Fire and have been pretty satisfied with it. I never really took the 512MB of ram into consideration until lately. I've had my fire now for about a month. I rooted it and am currently running CM7 on it with the processor overclocked to 1.2 ghz.
I was playing "scramble with friends" the other day and it did seem a bit laggy.. nothing extreme though, but I'm used to the smoothness. I haven't really played many games on it either to really see how the 512mb ram handles it.
I was wondering for clarification: Is the Nook Tablet's bootloader still unlockable? As in, can't install any customized roms on it?
Is it worth selling this KF to get a NT? I use my tablet for ereading about 5% of the time. 95% of the time I use it for social uses (web browsing, facebook, twitter, etc).
The only negatives I've noticed on my KF are the lack of volume buttons. I installed a widget that lays over the screen to adjust the volume, but I would rather have physical buttons. On the other hand, I don't mind NOT having a home button. I haven't been disadvantaged at all by not having one, so that really doesn't matter to me.
What do you guys think?
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Thanks for replying. From my understanding, though, is that the Nook Color and the Kindle Fire both have 512MB ram.... but the KF has dual-core processor, as the NC isn't. I suppose this helps the KF with the overall smoothness.
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Yes the KF is smooth from what I have seen. I would say that the dc processor is helping, but the 1 Gb of ram in the NT helps the most I would think. Like I stated though, they are both good devices with pros and cons with each. For me after everything the better hardware and the expandable memory is the most important and that is why I chose the NT.
Hey xda, Im currently on a stupid ipod typing this, going to be selling this on ebay to fund a tablet. I was thinking about getting the kindle fire until I learned that there is no sd card slot. Then I looked into the nook tablet which is $250 and looked it up on here to realiaze that there isnt much development for it yet (idk if its a new tablet). So then I looked into the nook color which is $200, and learned that there are plenty of roms and dev for it.
So basically I was just wondering will the nook tablet get as much development as the nook color in the future and if not, would the color still perform well enough for a good amount of time?
All im interested in is rooting and installung roms on the tablet, so if it cant do that im not really interested. Im a noob here and a noob to android so I dont know much so help would be greatly appreciAted.
Also if you guys know of anotger good tablet in the $200 price range, it would be awesome if you could tell me about it.
Sorry if this has already been asked and answered.
Thanks!
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So basically I was just wondering will the nook tablet get as much development as the nook color in the future and if not, would the color still perform well enough for a good amount of time?
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No - The Nook Color had a fully unlocked bootloader and could boot directly off of the SD card (and maybe USB too?)
The Nook Tablet can boot directly from USB and from MicroSD, but ONLY if the boot image was cryptographically signed by Barnes and Noble. (e.g. the Nook Tablet has a locked bootloader.)
For this reason, the Tablet will never see anywhere close to the amount of development the Color had. As an example, look at the dismal state of development on many OMAP4-based Motorola phones to see what a locked bootloader does.
They're workarounds (such as second init and kexec), but second init is extremely limiting, and so far no one has succeeded with kexec - even if they do, your risk of bricking is FAR higher with a locked device.
I've heard the Acer Iconia A100 goes on sale fairly cheap on a regular basis. It was $190 on Black Friday.
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No - The Nook Color had a fully unlocked bootloader and could boot directly off of the SD card (and maybe USB too?)
The Nook Tablet can boot directly from USB and from MicroSD, but ONLY if the boot image was cryptographically signed by Barnes and Noble. (e.g. the Nook Tablet has a locked bootloader.)
For this reason, the Tablet will never see anywhere close to the amount of development the Color had. As an example, look at the dismal state of development on many OMAP4-based Motorola phones to see what a locked bootloader does.
They're workarounds (such as second init and kexec), but second init is extremely limiting, and so far no one has succeeded with kexec - even if they do, your risk of bricking is FAR higher with a locked device.
I've heard the Acer Iconia A100 goes on sale fairly cheap on a regular basis. It was $190 on Black Friday.
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Thanks! Ill give you a thumbs up or thanks or whatever this forum uses when I get home because I cant do it from tapatalk. Ill look up that acer tablet now and edit this post after that.
Edit: Wow! It has a tegra 2 as well! 2 cameras as well! Jeez an its about the same price as the nook tablet was. Thanks! Im gonna look in the dev section for this tablet on the forums and see what I can find
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You've listed some of the good points about the Iconia A100. Here's the flip side:
Battery life sucks. The A100 has half the battery capacity of the A500, which was already reviewed as having the worst battery life of the 10" crop.
Screen (TN display) sucks, especially in portrait mode. You better be holding it within the tiny sweet spot else display will solarize.
Community support is near zero. Check out the A100 dev forum.
Now, one may tout the GPS, crappy cams, and the anemic Tegra2 as advantages. But battery life, screen quality, and community support easily trump the trivial hardware features.
The NT-vs-NC comparison is more interesting. The short answer is that it depends on your use. The NC has a weak CPU, but it's versatile enough in its various use cases, eg e-reader, most apps and the majority of games. And as said, it's on track to get ICS. Lastly, it's cheap (currently $129 on sale).
The NT's OMAP 4430 is among the most powerful of the current dual-cores, and is best for watching HD movies, with better usability overall due to its faster speed. With root/sideloading, you are no longer locked into B&N ecosystem, and the unit is almost as versatile as the NC. But it does cost more, almost twice the NC.
The NT's potential depends on how far the devs can get in trying to unlock the NT. Unlike Entropy's "never" reply, I'm not as dogmatic and am willing to wait and see how they fare. It's early.
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You've listed some of the good points about the Iconia A100. Here's the flip side:
Battery life sucks. The A100 has half the battery capacity of the A500, which was already reviewed as having the worst battery life of the 10" crop.
Screen (TN display) sucks, especially in portrait mode. You better be holding it within the tiny sweet spot else display will solarize.
Community support is near zero. Check out the A100 dev forum.
Now, one may tout the GPS, crappy cams, and the anemic Tegra2 as advantages. But battery life, screen quality, and community support easily trump the trivial hardware features.
The NT-vs-NC comparison is more interesting. The short answer is that it depends on your use. The NC has a weak CPU, but it's versatile enough in its various use cases, eg e-reader, most apps and the majority of games. And as said, it's on track to get ICS. Lastly, it's cheap (currently $129 on sale).
The NT's OMAP 4430 is among the most powerful of the current dual-cores, and is best for watching HD movies, with better usability overall due to its faster speed. With root/sideloading, you are no longer locked into B&N ecosystem, and the unit is almost as versatile as the NC. But it does cost more, almost twice the NC.
The NT's potential depends on how far the devs can get in trying to unlock the NT. Unlike Entropy's "never" reply, I'm not as dogmatic and am willing to wait and see how they fare. It's early.
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Oh alright, well I need a good battery because I will be brining it o school and such. The NT would be a good choice for me because I want to run emulators and such, so I would think that having a more powerful cpu would do well with that.
Yeah ive seen zedomax install the android market on it, so I know its not totally locked up. I just want to be able to install roms in the future, thats all. Ive seen my friend with his nexus s and it looks like load of fun tweaking with it. Thts the main reason Im selling the ipod and want to swtich to a small android tablet.
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The real question that it boils down to is this:
What do you want it for?
I've tossed around the idea of returning it, for the simple fact that I can't install custom roms on it. But then, what difference does that really make in my using the device? What will I be able to do once the ROMS are available that I can't do now? Not much, really. It would be neat to have ICS on it, but again, what will I be able to do? At the end of the day, does it run the apps I use? Yes. Would it possibly be a better user experience with a better ROM on it? More than likely.
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The real question that it boils down to is this:
What do you want it for?
I've tossed around the idea of returning it, for the simple fact that I can't install custom roms on it. But then, what difference does that really make in my using the device? What will I be able to do once the ROMS are available that I can't do now? Not much, really. It would be neat to have ICS on it, but again, what will I be able to do? At the end of the day, does it run the apps I use? Yes. Would it possibly be a better user experience with a better ROM on it? More than likely.
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Well the most important thing are the tablet apps, more and more tablet apps are coming out...and more will come as ICS gets on more devices.
>Well the most important thing are the tablet apps, more and more tablet apps are coming out
Which of the four HC apps are you referring to?
HC is dead. From Google's version tracker, active HC devices stand at 2.4% of total Android. Apart from GNexus, ICS won't show up until next year, and it'll take much longer for ICS-specific apps to show up. By that time, we'll already be jabbering about the Nook 3.
Speaking of which, I do expect B&N to keep in lock-step with Amazon, in releasing a larger tablet come spring. Video content (read: Netflix & co) has the highest pull, and 7" is too small for good video playback. May be B&N can call this the Nook XL.
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Which of the four HC apps are you referring to?
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IMHO there are enough 3.0+ apps or apps with tablet versions that only work in 3.0+ to make the difference appreciable, especially if you want landscape mode to be more usable. Google has tablet-optimized versions of Gmail and Reader with split panes. File Manager HD has a nice menu pane. IMDB's app has a very nice layout for 3.0+ tablets. Mizuu and Reddita are 3.0+ only
There's a large selection of Tablet apps, use this to get the list https://market.android.com/details?id=com.andromo.dev86.app119
And ICS is coming to many devices early next year. Companies have already announced ICS tablets and more will be announced at CES.
Gingerbread on a tablet in 2012 just doesn't cut it.
Yes, I was being a bit facetious, hence the smilie.
The point stands that HC is irrelevant going forward. Per graph below, it's just a blip on the Android radar. (Now we know why vendors aren't so keen on releasing more HC tablets.) Devs base their decision on market size. Whatever tab-specific action that will happen will be with GB and ICS later. Despite the "ICS is coming" hoopla, software is typically one cycle behind the OS. That won't change, especially with the unproven state of the Android tablet market. For the near future, most Android apps/games will still be phones-first.
>Gingerbread on a tablet in 2012 just doesn't cut it.
The reality is that GB will still be predominant for most if not all of 2012. It'll take about that long for ICS to achieve critical mass. The whole horde of Android phones that are on 2-yr contracts won't be ditched overnight.
It's academic anyway since we're talking about a 7" device. Most current tab-specific apps are optimized for the larger real-estate of 9/10" units. In fact, you can wander over to the Iconia A100 forum and hear the laments of incompatible apps on that HC 7" device.
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I read through it all but since Im on an ipod its a pain to quote everythig. But anyway Im just gonna search for a tablet that is good in that price range and is fun to play around with. Ill give you all thumbs up when I get home, sorry, I didnt get home til 11 last night so I couldnt even get on my computer to even view the thread to give you all thumbs up.
I understand that the nook tablet doesnt have what I want and the nook color has the rooting features and development that I want but it has weaker hardware so I wouldnt be able to install ics or something else on it in the future.
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If you aren't locked into the 7" size, a better deal is to look for year-end sales on the Tegra 2 10" crop (Iconia A500, Tosh Thrive, Xoom, Asus TF). The Acer & Tosh were $200 on BF, the Asus $250, the Xoom $300. The 10" is less portable, but the larger screen allows more versatility. If you intend to use the tablet for a range of activities, a 7" isn't a good choice. Definitely not good for emus.
I favor the Xoom and the Asus TF, both for the better hardware and good community support. The Tegra 2 is a capable SoC except for playing HD videos. Most of these Teg2 will get ICS, either officially or via custom ROM.
BTW, you can already download an ICS ROM for the Nook Color. It's buggy, but workable. That said, don't get caught in the ICS hype. It's just another Android rev with incremental improvements. It's not a must-have. Like another said, know what your uses are, and get the hardware to best fit those.
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If you aren't locked into the 7" size, a better deal is to look for year-end sales on the Tegra 2 10" crop (Iconia A500, Tosh Thrive, Xoom, Asus TF). The Acer & Tosh were $200 on BF, the Asus $250, the Xoom $300. The 10" is less portable, but the larger screen allows more versatility. If you intend to use the tablet for a range of activities, a 7" isn't a good choice. Definitely not good for emus.
I favor the Xoom and the Asus TF, both for the better hardware and good community support. The Tegra 2 is a capable SoC except for playing HD videos. Most of these Teg2 will get ICS, either officially or via custom ROM.
BTW, you can already download an ICS ROM for the Nook Color. It's buggy, but workable. That said, don't get caught in the ICS hype. It's just another Android rev with incremental improvements. It's not a must-have. Like another said, know what your uses are, and get the hardware to best fit those.
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Yeah idc about size, if it fits in my backpack, it works for me. Thanks for the recommendations!
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I own both the NC and NT...
I have owned the NC since Jan 2011. Dual boot, run cm7 off sd card, does all that it can. I have over 80 apps working on it. Have read 35+ books on the NC.
I also own the NT since mid Nov 2011. It does Hulu + great just finished watching a 2 hour movie. And have rooted it and it getting mods made for it. I really like the 2 cpu's and snappy screens. It just works for me. Really like reading more on NT than NC, just faster screen stuff. I have all the same apps on it that I have on the NC.
I also own a full windows 7" tablet, but NT is my choice at the end of the day, it does it all.
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Hey xda, Im currently on a stupid ipod typing this, going to be selling this on ebay to fund a tablet. I was thinking about getting the kindle fire until I learned that there is no sd card slot. Then I looked into the nook tablet which is $250 and looked it up on here to realiaze that there isnt much development for it yet (idk if its a new tablet). So then I looked into the nook color which is $200, and learned that there are plenty of roms and dev for it.
So basically I was just wondering will the nook tablet get as much development as the nook color in the future and if not, would the color still perform well enough for a good amount of time?
All im interested in is rooting and installung roms on the tablet, so if it cant do that im not really interested. Im a noob here and a noob to android so I dont know much so help would be greatly appreciAted.
Also if you guys know of anotger good tablet in the $200 price range, it would be awesome if you could tell me about it.
Sorry if this has already been asked and answered.
Thanks!
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Unless battery life is not important to you, you should take a look at the Kindle Fire.
They already got CM7 and ICS/CM9 is about to come out for the device.
Development for the Nook Color is pretty much asleep at this point, though at least it is certain to get ICS/CM9 sometime in the future ...
Unless the bootloader issue can be resolved, you will not be able to run any tablet apps on the Nook Tablet - which just plain sucks: it's a tablet that can't run tablet apps.
andTab said:
Unless battery life is not important to you, you should take a look at the Kindle Fire.
They already got CM7 and ICS/CM9 is about to come out for the device.
Development for the Nook Color is pretty much asleep at this point, though at least it is certain to get ICS/CM9 sometime in the future ...
Unless the bootloader issue can be resolved, you will not be able to run any tablet apps on the Nook Tablet - which just plain sucks: it's a tablet that can't run tablet apps.
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If you want storage space, or the ability to play *almost* hd video, then do not get the kindle fire.
Many of us bought the NT because NC had an unlocked boot loader, thinking that NT will also be unlocked.
Now how many of us will buy the next Nook.....I'm already out.
The only discernible difference is 8G of storage memory instead of 16G. The price is meant to match the Kindle Fire, obviously.
Here's a product link:
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/nook-tablet-barnes-noble/1104687969?ean=9781400501779
Note: I do not have one nor have I seen one of these -- just the page on the website.
Ram is also halved its now down to 512mb
Spec wise, it's pretty much the same as a Kindle Fire, but with microSD card support. Makes for a more interesting market out there for low cost tablets.
I guess the NT with 16GB are now an "NT Classic" model.
Perdiction: Barnes and Noble will be out of business within 2 years.
The Nook Tablet is far superior to Kindle Fire. But instead of B&N updating the NT so it can show off all it's bells and whistle, i.e., a true tablet for $249, these fools figured if we can't beat them, join them. Idiots.
I will sit back and watch B&N go down in flames and laugh my happy ass off.
Internal Storage
Also of note:
- NOOK Tablet–8GB: 5GB for content; of which 1GB is reserved for NOOK Store content
- NOOK Tablet–16GB:13GB for content; of which 12GB is reserved for NOOK Store content
Looks like they are giving more internal to the user by default in the 8gb unit.
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I guess the NT with 16GB are now an "NT Classic" model.
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I'd say this is more in line with how Apple rolled out the iPod nano - weaker specs, lower price.
I think it's actually pretty brilliant with what they're doing here. Tiered price models have been very successful in the past and B&N are competing wth the Kindle Fire on a more even playing field now. Everyone was obsessing over the price of the Fire; now there's a Nook to match it competitively.
That being said, I think the Fire's still gonna stay on top of the cheap tablet market. The average user is usually stuck with stock firnware and the content Amazon's got in that case is miles ahead of B&N.
dkb218 said:
Perdiction: Barnes and Noble will be out of business within 2 years.
The Nook Tablet is far superior to Kindle Fire. But instead of B&N updating the NT so it can show off all it's bells and whistle, i.e., a true tablet for $249, these fools figured if we can't beat them, join them. Idiots.
I will sit back and watch B&N go down in flames and laugh my happy ass off.
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You mad bro?
Mike_IronFist said:
I'd say this is more in line with how Apple rolled out the iPod nano - weaker specs, lower price.
I think it's actually pretty brilliant with what they're doing here. Tiered price models have been very successful in the past and B&N are competing wth the Kindle Fire on a more even playing field now. Everyone was obsessing over the price of the Fire; now there's a Nook to match it competitively.
That being said, I think the Fire's still gonna stay on top of the cheap tablet market. The average user is usually stuck with stock firnware and the content Amazon's got in that case is miles ahead of B&N.
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I second that. Amazon apps are far more numerous and far more competitively priced than anything B&N has done so far. And the Kindle Fire is simply far easier to tinker with than the Nook Tablet.
B&N are trying to catch up with Amazon, but they started out a little late. Kindle Fire has now a solid reputation, and there is nothing B&N can do to reverse that.
I went for the NT because on paper it seemed like a good choice: 16 GB of storage and microSD. But I found out that I could only use 1 GB of that storage. So I ended up buying an 8 GB miscroSD card.
If I had to do it all over again, I probably would go with a Kindle Fire.
Now with the CM7, and hopefully CM9 soon enough, I have a decent cheap 7" tablet.
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You mad bro?
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Mad? No. Just stating the facts. Barnes and Noble is a failed company and it doesn't have to be.
Instead of freeing up the Nook Tablet, these fools make a Nook Kindle Fire. Have these idiots no understanding of why the KF is out selling them? No, they don't.
So you half the memory and lower the price $50. Did they think the reason they weren't selling like the KF was the price? It's not the price. It's the BN software they locked the device down with.
The average buyer has no idea what root is nor should they. What they know is they can't do the things on the NT that can be done on a KF. They know that free apps on the KF cost $3.99 on the NT. They don't care that the NT is a much better product spec wise. They know that when they purchased a product called a Nook "Tablet", they weren't expecting a Nook "Reader".
Mad? No. Pissed at myself for buying and then not returning this locked down POS - yes.
Looks to me like more great hardware at a reasonable price. The average user may prefer the total package that comes with the Fire (hardware and apps) or even the iPad. But, with the resources available here to root the Nook Tablets and load CM7 or CM9, these are great tablets.
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Perdiction: Barnes and Noble will be out of business within 2 years.
The Nook Tablet is far superior to Kindle Fire. But instead of B&N updating the NT so it can show off all it's bells and whistle, i.e., a true tablet for $249, these fools figured if we can't beat them, join them. Idiots.
I will sit back and watch B&N go down in flames and laugh my happy ass off.[/QUOTE
I bet their decisions are based on Sixsigma/Lean LOL
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My opinion is that the 16GB nook tab is much better than KF and the 8GB nook tab, as we have
CM7,
16GB space
and of course 1 GB RAM
For me the ram is the most important
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Mad? No. Just stating the facts. Barnes and Noble is a failed company and it doesn't have to be.
Instead of freeing up the Nook Tablet, these fools make a Nook Kindle Fire. Have these idiots no understanding of why the KF is out selling them? No, they don't.
So you half the memory and lower the price $50. Did they think the reason they weren't selling like the KF was the price? It's not the price. It's the BN software they locked the device down with.
The average buyer has no idea what root is nor should they. What they know is they can't do the things on the NT that can be done on a KF. They know that free apps on the KF cost $3.99 on the NT. They don't care that the NT is a much better product spec wise. They know that when they purchased a product called a Nook "Tablet", they weren't expecting a Nook "Reader".
Mad? No. Pissed at myself for buying and then not returning this locked down POS - yes.
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That's definitely not the case. Do you really think the main driver for sales of the Fire was whether or not it's an open platform?
The majority of consumers are not like us. They don't care about custom ROMs, rooting, or modding. Most of them just buy devices and use them. Amazon is a bigger and more tech-savvy company with better marketing muscle. They also have a leg-up in the e-reader market since they broke it into the mainstream with the original Kindle. That means they get better exposure and better brand name recognition by default when compared to B&N, regardless of what products are competing. They also have WAY more digital content to offer than B&N, especially on the Fire, which had the lower price tag initially and was announced way earlier than the Nook Tablet. Being first is a powerful thing.
I agree that the Nook Tablet being locked down sucks, but it's not going to end B&N. Amazon will stay dominant but device markets usually have room for second-placers and runners-up. B&N is still a very important figure in the book business too, digital or not.
The problem as I see it with Barnes and Noble is with their fragmentation of their apps into yet another app store. They are doing the 70/30 pay structure similar to Apple. What they should be doing is have curated or "Nook Recommends" store that is compatible with Android.
The current selection of apps is not going to do it. They don't have FB, Twitter, top game developers on board. That and having apps that cost money when the same apps are on iOS or Android for free (no free version of words with friends).
They have all this power but no app ecosystem.
It's like having a V6 engine in a Power Wheels, and limiting the top speed to 5 mph.
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My opinion is that the 16GB nook tab is much better than KF and the 8GB nook tab, as we have
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16GB space
and of course 1 GB RAM
For me the ram is the most important
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I agree. The loss of storage space is small potatoes when you have the sd slot. The loss of ram is a blow, especially if you're buying hardware for the long run.
Kindle fire also has advertising, unlike the nook tablet. Magazines, web- Amazon andi have seen on TV as well. nook tablet has had none of this. That said the nook tablet is better.
I bought my NT when they first came out. I couldn't wait to get it and was major league disappointed. In fact, the only thing that kept me from returning it was seeing some posts in these very forums talking about CM7 and CM9 coming.
Now I have CM7 up and running, thanks to Team-B, and I finally feel like I have a tablet worth owning.
That is the biggest issue in my mind with B&N and even with the KF. These tablets are so much less than they could be. I understand the need for the device makers to earn some money on these through book, magazine, movie, and app sales. However, they have crippled it so much and with the interface built for the over 70 crowd, this will just not keep anybody who has a smartphone happy for more than a couple of hours.
I still buy my books through B&N. They have wonderful ereader software that I use every day. They just don't have to shackle me to keep me as a customer.
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Pissed at myself for buying and then not returning this locked down POS - yes.
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Wait. This was posted today? :what:
Please define "locked down". My NT hasn't seemed very locked for the past 2 months... And even less locked the past 2 weeks.
Back on topic, no thanks, you can keep the KF and the 8GB NT. I prefer an sd card slot, and 16GB internal storage, and the GB of ram, and the ergonomics of the device.
IOW, NT (classic, lol) + CM7 (thanks again, guys) = happy camper
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8e0OLWQYc4 let the freak out begin LOL ;P
I have the HP CB X2 giving it a try.
Nice build, keyboard, screen and detachable. Tablet is light. Keyboard is heavy. Linux support added = awesome.
I find that 4GB of ram is way low. //: system internals constantly show at 90% used. Even when I close all but one tab, still loaded. No lag in performance though.
The device does have 4MB of cache which helps. I also set up zram at 2GB.
Even so, I am returning today. I can't get my head around purchasing a device and the ram is already maxed.
I will buy another as Chrome OS 70 has nailed correcting issues I couldn't live with before. (Pixelbook i5 on sale?)
Thoughts on Chrome OS memory usage appreciated. Maybe I just don't understand.
My experience with HP CB X2
johninsf said:
I have the HP CB X2 giving it a try.
Nice build, keyboard, screen and detachable. Tablet is light. Keyboard is heavy. Linux support added = awesome.
I find that 4GB of ram is way low. //: system internals constantly show at 90% used. Even when I close all but one tab, still loaded. No lag in performance though.
The device does have 4MB of cache which helps. I also set up zram at 2GB.
Even so, I am returning today. I can't get my head around purchasing a device and the ram is already maxed.
I will buy another as Chrome OS 70 has nailed correcting issues I couldn't live with before. (Pixelbook i5 on sale?)
Thoughts on Chrome OS memory usage appreciated. Maybe I just don't understand.
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I cannot speak to your issue on Chrome OS memory usage. But I ask you this: were you impacted in any way by the amount of memory? I have owned the device for about a month now. I bought it primarily to replace an Android tablet that has stopped getting security updates. So I bought it to use as a tablet, mostly to read publications, news, watch video, do email etc. Where I used a BT keyboard rarely with the Android tablet but had a case on it to prop it up for viewing, I use the keyboard for that purpose, and since I have the keyboard I use it more often.
So I am coming from a tablet usage perspective. I love it. I have had 8-10 tabs open without lag. I use some Android apps with it, but not many. All run full screen without issue, and seem to window just fine. I am looking forward to OS70 to see what tablet goodies it will bring to me. As it stands, I have no issues using it as a tablet with OS69.
Hardware-wise, this thing is great. It looks great, is very sturdy, and has the same great screen as the Pixelbook. Speakers are loud but, as usual for a laptop or tablet, lack bass. The keyboard and touch pad are better than anything in its price range that I have tried. I am using it right now. I have heard criticism that it wobbles a bit from the hinge. I have not experienced that myself, unless I use the touch screen but that is no more than other clam shell laptops with touch screens.
In usage, apps load quickly and smoothly. The newblue BT driver has greatly improved the BT experience. Devices pair and connect the first time, every time. I use multiple windows of Google Sheets and copy and paste between them with ease.
I find that I am using the X2 much more frequently than I ever did the Android tablet. It has taken over 90% of my computing experience, since it is so quick to unlock and the human/machine interfaces are so pleasurable to use.
Just orderered mine yesterday, but with 8go of RAM, 64 of storage and a Core I5. On the paper, it's the perfect Chromebook, I will see once in my hands (tomorrow)
Congrats! Let us know...
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Just orderered mine yesterday, but with 8go of RAM, 64 of storage and a Core I5. On the paper, it's the perfect Chromebook, I will see once in my hands (tomorrow)
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Where did you find the x2 with these specs?
In France. Reference is: Chromebook HP x2 12-f000nf
But they are very expensive (computers are more expensive here in general)
Not sure I'm gonna keep it anyway. The low opening angle is very frustrating. From now, I didn't find a comfortable position to use it on a couch (with the keyboard attached obviously, I don't have problem in tablet mode).
Also the fact that I can't really use external SD card is bothering me. But it specifics to ChromeOS not the device. I just want to see pics and movies on my SD Card and I fu**ing can't.
At the end, I returned it. ChromeOS killed me. I thought I would be able to do -at least- the same things on ChromeOS than Android, it appeared I can't even do the half!
Very very disappointed..
Kholargol said:
At the end, I returned it. ChromeOS killed me. I thought I would be able to do -at least- the same things on ChromeOS than Android, it appeared I can't even do the half!
Very very disappointed..
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I am looking into buying this device as well and I am surprised to see that you don't have free access to the sdcard. I checked it out online and there it looks like os gives access to the card without a problem and that since this year also Android apps can use it. Is it something specific that didn't work for you?
You're wrong, sorry. OS have access to SD Card but Android apps don't. Every app I've tried was not able to see SD card.
I'm not sure but I think that the OS enalbe it now but devs have to modify their apps. And they don't. Because Android devs care only about rendering on mobile, they don't give a sh*t tabs or ChromeOS compatibility.
Did you buy your Chromebook finally?
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You're wrong, sorry. OS have access to SD Card but Android apps don't. Every app I've tried was not able to see SD card.
I'm not sure but I think that the OS enalbe it now but devs have to modify their apps. And they don't. Because Android devs care only about rendering on mobile, they don't give a sh*t tabs or ChromeOS compatibility.
Did you bet your Chromebook finally?
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Fyde is could do it
Just ordered here in the U.K., the spec is 64 GB eMMC, 8 GB LPDDR3-1866 SDRAM, 7th Generation Intel® Core™ m3 processor, having returned the google pixel Hoping for much better things from the X2 unit.
It sucks that the $600 American version is not available in Europe. In Germany/Netherlands I only find the i5 version for a E1000, or in the UK the i3 with additional RAM, but also being 800 Pounds.
The US version is tested and received well, and converted to Euro's for a good price as well. I might check in my network who will be visiting the US in the near future and has some luggage space left over on the return flight
Buy Teclast F6 Pro and you will get better computer for 400 USD, which can run ChromeOS, Linux, Windows, Android and MacOS, has the same specs, but rotational display and 128 GB SSD.
wizzardsk said:
Buy Teclast F6 Pro and you will get better computer for 400 USD, which can run ChromeOS, Linux, Windows, Android and MacOS, has the same specs, but rotational display and 128 GB SSD.
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Thanks, I checked it out. Spec and money wise a nice device. However, I am looking for a replacement of my 10" Asus 701T, an Android tablet with a 'full size' keyboard It has it's own hinge to hold up the tablet in any position, without additional legs or other stuff necessary. The HP is already bigger, but for the rest it has all my requirements (the main one being able to use as a tablet).
Great device, got mine in Feb $399. good replacement for ASUS C200MA . Many but not all android app work will with 128G SD card.
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You're wrong, sorry. OS have access to SD Card but Android apps don't. Every app I've tried was not able to see SD card.
I'm not sure but I think that the OS enalbe it now but devs have to modify their apps. And they don't. Because Android devs care only about rendering on mobile, they don't give a sh*t tabs or ChromeOS compatibility.
Did you buy your Chromebook finally?
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Android does have access to the SD card, just as it does on a phone or Android tablet...
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Also you can right-click (two-finger-click on the track pad) on a folder and select to share it with Linux. I've got a Linux folder on my SD card that is shared and accessible in Visual Studio Code.
Mine is on its way. I ordered it on the US and next week a local colleague will bring it along on his return flight home. Although lower spec'ed, it is 2.5 times cheaper than in West Europe.
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Mine is on its way. I ordered it on the US and next week a local colleague will bring it along on his return flight home. Although lower spec'ed, it is 2.5 times cheaper than in West Europe.
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If you're planning on running any Linux apps on it I'll be interested to see if you have to do anything else first. I was expecting to at least have to enable via a setting somewhere, but the Terminal app was there and I downloaded and installed a debian package without having to do anything else. I suspect there's more under the hood in the EU version than the US version, other than the obvious hardware differences.
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If you're planning on running any Linux apps on it I'll be interested to see if you have to do anything else first. I was expecting to at least have to enable via a setting somewhere, but the Terminal app was there and I downloaded and installed a debian package without having to do anything else. I suspect there's more under the hood in the EU version than the US version, other than the obvious hardware differences.
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I'm planning to more or less use it as an Android device, running apps from the play store.
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I'm planning to more or less use it as an Android device, running apps from the play store.
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You'll be able to tell if it's capable of running Linux apps out of the box, just by opening the app drawer and typing "Terminal". If it's there, it is.