I have the HP CB X2 giving it a try.
Nice build, keyboard, screen and detachable. Tablet is light. Keyboard is heavy. Linux support added = awesome.
I find that 4GB of ram is way low. //: system internals constantly show at 90% used. Even when I close all but one tab, still loaded. No lag in performance though.
The device does have 4MB of cache which helps. I also set up zram at 2GB.
Even so, I am returning today. I can't get my head around purchasing a device and the ram is already maxed.
I will buy another as Chrome OS 70 has nailed correcting issues I couldn't live with before. (Pixelbook i5 on sale?)
Thoughts on Chrome OS memory usage appreciated. Maybe I just don't understand.
My experience with HP CB X2
johninsf said:
I have the HP CB X2 giving it a try.
Nice build, keyboard, screen and detachable. Tablet is light. Keyboard is heavy. Linux support added = awesome.
I find that 4GB of ram is way low. //: system internals constantly show at 90% used. Even when I close all but one tab, still loaded. No lag in performance though.
The device does have 4MB of cache which helps. I also set up zram at 2GB.
Even so, I am returning today. I can't get my head around purchasing a device and the ram is already maxed.
I will buy another as Chrome OS 70 has nailed correcting issues I couldn't live with before. (Pixelbook i5 on sale?)
Thoughts on Chrome OS memory usage appreciated. Maybe I just don't understand.
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I cannot speak to your issue on Chrome OS memory usage. But I ask you this: were you impacted in any way by the amount of memory? I have owned the device for about a month now. I bought it primarily to replace an Android tablet that has stopped getting security updates. So I bought it to use as a tablet, mostly to read publications, news, watch video, do email etc. Where I used a BT keyboard rarely with the Android tablet but had a case on it to prop it up for viewing, I use the keyboard for that purpose, and since I have the keyboard I use it more often.
So I am coming from a tablet usage perspective. I love it. I have had 8-10 tabs open without lag. I use some Android apps with it, but not many. All run full screen without issue, and seem to window just fine. I am looking forward to OS70 to see what tablet goodies it will bring to me. As it stands, I have no issues using it as a tablet with OS69.
Hardware-wise, this thing is great. It looks great, is very sturdy, and has the same great screen as the Pixelbook. Speakers are loud but, as usual for a laptop or tablet, lack bass. The keyboard and touch pad are better than anything in its price range that I have tried. I am using it right now. I have heard criticism that it wobbles a bit from the hinge. I have not experienced that myself, unless I use the touch screen but that is no more than other clam shell laptops with touch screens.
In usage, apps load quickly and smoothly. The newblue BT driver has greatly improved the BT experience. Devices pair and connect the first time, every time. I use multiple windows of Google Sheets and copy and paste between them with ease.
I find that I am using the X2 much more frequently than I ever did the Android tablet. It has taken over 90% of my computing experience, since it is so quick to unlock and the human/machine interfaces are so pleasurable to use.
Just orderered mine yesterday, but with 8go of RAM, 64 of storage and a Core I5. On the paper, it's the perfect Chromebook, I will see once in my hands (tomorrow)
Congrats! Let us know...
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Just orderered mine yesterday, but with 8go of RAM, 64 of storage and a Core I5. On the paper, it's the perfect Chromebook, I will see once in my hands (tomorrow)
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Where did you find the x2 with these specs?
In France. Reference is: Chromebook HP x2 12-f000nf
But they are very expensive (computers are more expensive here in general)
Not sure I'm gonna keep it anyway. The low opening angle is very frustrating. From now, I didn't find a comfortable position to use it on a couch (with the keyboard attached obviously, I don't have problem in tablet mode).
Also the fact that I can't really use external SD card is bothering me. But it specifics to ChromeOS not the device. I just want to see pics and movies on my SD Card and I fu**ing can't.
At the end, I returned it. ChromeOS killed me. I thought I would be able to do -at least- the same things on ChromeOS than Android, it appeared I can't even do the half!
Very very disappointed..
Kholargol said:
At the end, I returned it. ChromeOS killed me. I thought I would be able to do -at least- the same things on ChromeOS than Android, it appeared I can't even do the half!
Very very disappointed..
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I am looking into buying this device as well and I am surprised to see that you don't have free access to the sdcard. I checked it out online and there it looks like os gives access to the card without a problem and that since this year also Android apps can use it. Is it something specific that didn't work for you?
You're wrong, sorry. OS have access to SD Card but Android apps don't. Every app I've tried was not able to see SD card.
I'm not sure but I think that the OS enalbe it now but devs have to modify their apps. And they don't. Because Android devs care only about rendering on mobile, they don't give a sh*t tabs or ChromeOS compatibility.
Did you buy your Chromebook finally?
Kholargol said:
You're wrong, sorry. OS have access to SD Card but Android apps don't. Every app I've tried was not able to see SD card.
I'm not sure but I think that the OS enalbe it now but devs have to modify their apps. And they don't. Because Android devs care only about rendering on mobile, they don't give a sh*t tabs or ChromeOS compatibility.
Did you bet your Chromebook finally?
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Fyde is could do it
Just ordered here in the U.K., the spec is 64 GB eMMC, 8 GB LPDDR3-1866 SDRAM, 7th Generation Intel® Core™ m3 processor, having returned the google pixel Hoping for much better things from the X2 unit.
It sucks that the $600 American version is not available in Europe. In Germany/Netherlands I only find the i5 version for a E1000, or in the UK the i3 with additional RAM, but also being 800 Pounds.
The US version is tested and received well, and converted to Euro's for a good price as well. I might check in my network who will be visiting the US in the near future and has some luggage space left over on the return flight
Buy Teclast F6 Pro and you will get better computer for 400 USD, which can run ChromeOS, Linux, Windows, Android and MacOS, has the same specs, but rotational display and 128 GB SSD.
wizzardsk said:
Buy Teclast F6 Pro and you will get better computer for 400 USD, which can run ChromeOS, Linux, Windows, Android and MacOS, has the same specs, but rotational display and 128 GB SSD.
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Thanks, I checked it out. Spec and money wise a nice device. However, I am looking for a replacement of my 10" Asus 701T, an Android tablet with a 'full size' keyboard It has it's own hinge to hold up the tablet in any position, without additional legs or other stuff necessary. The HP is already bigger, but for the rest it has all my requirements (the main one being able to use as a tablet).
Great device, got mine in Feb $399. good replacement for ASUS C200MA . Many but not all android app work will with 128G SD card.
Kholargol said:
You're wrong, sorry. OS have access to SD Card but Android apps don't. Every app I've tried was not able to see SD card.
I'm not sure but I think that the OS enalbe it now but devs have to modify their apps. And they don't. Because Android devs care only about rendering on mobile, they don't give a sh*t tabs or ChromeOS compatibility.
Did you buy your Chromebook finally?
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Android does have access to the SD card, just as it does on a phone or Android tablet...
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Mine is on its way. I ordered it on the US and next week a local colleague will bring it along on his return flight home. Although lower spec'ed, it is 2.5 times cheaper than in West Europe.
jake3317 said:
Mine is on its way. I ordered it on the US and next week a local colleague will bring it along on his return flight home. Although lower spec'ed, it is 2.5 times cheaper than in West Europe.
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If you're planning on running any Linux apps on it I'll be interested to see if you have to do anything else first. I was expecting to at least have to enable via a setting somewhere, but the Terminal app was there and I downloaded and installed a debian package without having to do anything else. I suspect there's more under the hood in the EU version than the US version, other than the obvious hardware differences.
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If you're planning on running any Linux apps on it I'll be interested to see if you have to do anything else first. I was expecting to at least have to enable via a setting somewhere, but the Terminal app was there and I downloaded and installed a debian package without having to do anything else. I suspect there's more under the hood in the EU version than the US version, other than the obvious hardware differences.
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I'm planning to more or less use it as an Android device, running apps from the play store.
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I'm planning to more or less use it as an Android device, running apps from the play store.
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You'll be able to tell if it's capable of running Linux apps out of the box, just by opening the app drawer and typing "Terminal". If it's there, it is.
Related
http://bit.ly/nVOJok
It's hard to recognize it, but the sunset of our loved TG01 is coming....
I have a pair of TG01 and I love them, are the state of the art with WM. But WM is dead: all new software is for Iphone or Android. So, sooner or later, I'll jump to another device.
My problem is that I'm a Windows Mobile user since 2005 and absolutely ignorant regarding other operating systems.
I suppose that I'm not the only in this situation, and I'd like to know your opinions as you have already moved to other devices, from the point of view of a former WM 6.x user.
My son has a Iphone 4 and , jailbreaked, and it's impressive. On the other part, i love the specs of the last Android's Samsung Galaxy SII, specially after knowing that Host USB is possible on it.
Please contribute with your opinions , personal reviews, useful links, and specially, I'd like to create a table of programs on Android and Iphone OS, able to replace the hundred of WM programs (more or less) that I've got in my TG01.
Waiting your comments.
Thank you!
Hi Pere,
I am an Android user of Galaxy S (not SII) since May 2010 and i love the way it feels that SO!
I bought two weeks ago TG01 because I liked from the begining and I can compare it for you!
The first thing is that with Android you are better connected with the internet, the internet browser load everything, play flash ... (its like having a real computer with Crome installed as a browser )
The second thing is that you have Android Market (200.000 apps and the number grow). All the apps have a free of charge use(contains comercials but that doesn't bothered)
The third but not least is the optimization of the SO for finger use! Win Mob SO it was designed for stylus use not for finger and it shows!
Android, i have samsung galaxsy s II and comparing to other phones GOD, there is no better phone. to be honest same price as iphone 4 and twice better, well you could wait for iphone 5G but the camera and screen are the best spots on sgs2.
Nice to met you here! Your opinion is very valuable to me as expert TG01 user.
USB Host is a must for me (My previous XDA Flame has it and was the reason to choose TG01 two years ago) but it seems to be a rarity in today's market.
Have you tested it?
And what about apps?
Thank you for explain us your experiences....
I have just moved to a Dell Streak, the huge 5" screen being the thing i really wanted.
I still have my TG01 right now and can compare them quite well as they both run on a snapdragon 1Ghz cpu.
Screen size aside, Android is so much faster on the hardware, WM seems quite slow in comparison, the user interface of Froyo just seems so fast.
Dell Streak can support USB host i think, and i have it overclocked to 1.19ghz for a little extra speed.
The process of flashing roms was a bit of a learning curve, but it was the same when i got my TG01 having come from a few Symbian devices before that, but its always the same when you change phone os.
I think if you are starting to consider the move to android, your time is pretty much now, becuase WM is starting to look quite old, and performance on the same hardware is just so far removed.
Apps are a plenty, lots of good free apps out there, for instance, there is a free app called AdFree which can block ads by installing a hosts file containing the addresses of ad servers. Lots of customization options including many different homescreen/launchers and you can have animated wallpaper if you want, the homescreen/today screen supports widgets, so you can have a htc style clock with weather, and lots of other widgets far too many to mention.
Samsung Galaxsy S II
Pere said:
Nice to met you here! Your opinion is very valuable to me as expert TG01 user.
USB Host is a must for me (My previous XDA Flame has it and was the reason to choose TG01 two years ago) but it seems to be a rarity in today's market.
Have you tested it?
And what about apps?
Thank you for explain us your experiences....
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USB Host is working tested with Nokia HDMI to usb host cable, mouse, and external HDD 500 Gb, they will try to make the cable connection to LCD TV and charger at same time, mouse bluetooth connection and you just need to run ubuntu that i personaly tested . SGS2 AMAZING PHONE!!!! I will try to test that multy connection mode too, but i don't think it will be problem to a 1,6 GHz machine. Apps all working SPB shell best thing i saw ever, all HD games...
i have been using all kinda os's but android is still not my favourite one, iOS is but i don't like the Apple brand so overtook it i mean that OS on sgs2 best thing ever. So Pere it's all on you, just take iphone 4 and sgs2 i hands and it will be all clear to you, brand vs. power
(InsertNameHere) said:
I have just moved to a Dell Streak, the huge 5" screen being the thing i really wanted........Dell Streak can support USB host i think, and i have it overclocked to 1.19ghz for a little extra speed.
The process of flashing roms was a bit of a learning curve, but it was the same when i got my TG01 having come from a few Symbian devices before that, but its always the same when you change phone os.....
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Thanks, very interesting. Is a pity that Streak 5 is no longer available. It seems that 5" is too big for present market....
And what about apps? I mean, for instance, with program Android users prefer to watch videos or listen to the music?
Pere said:
Thanks, very interesting. Is a pity that Streak 5 is no longer available. It seems that 5" is too big for present market....
And what about apps? I mean, for instance, with program Android users prefer to watch videos or listen to the music?
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Dell Streak 5 is still available in europe, but if you don't need the 5" screen then obviously there is much better out there. MoboPlayer is a very good constantly updated video player, and there are loads of good audio players, PowerAMP and Winamp being examples. WinMo probably has better mp3 players but thats subjective.
Table to relate WM/Android/IOS apps
I've started this table to relate apps. The aim is to help me to find the "must" apps (from my point of view, of course) able to replace the ones that I use in my loved TG01
The first one is the Pocket Controller, is there any like it on Android and IOS??
The second one: BEst Epub reader? I use Freda
Thank you guys!
http://bit.ly/nVOJok
I still have TG01 and still holding out hope of something special coming soon. Every day I check google hoping to see media breaking news headline such as:
TG01 now running linux/android SUCCESSFULLY
But, now I'm starting to lose hope and thinking of moving on and upgrading to a new device. It really does seem like development is dying, or already dead.
Pere said:
I've started this table to relate apps. The aim is to help me to find the "must" apps (from my point of view, of course) able to replace the ones that I use in my loved TG01
The first one is the Pocket Controller, is there any like it on Android and IOS??
The second one: BEst Epub reader? I use Freda
Thank you guys!
http://bit.ly/nVOJok
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There is a similar app to Pocket Controller that is based on java, it is called Android Screencast
Also Droid Explorer can do a similar thing
As for a epub reader, there is Nook, Kindle and these
Yes, I agree with you...sad to say
(InsertNameHere) said:
There is a similar app to Pocket Controller that is based on java, it is called Android Screencast
Also Droid Explorer can do a similar thing
As for a epub reader, there is Nook, Kindle and these
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Thank you!. Did you test it? Some review say that it's a bit laggy...
Pere said:
Thanks, very interesting. Is a pity that Streak 5 is no longer available. It seems that 5" is too big for present market....
And what about apps? I mean, for instance, with program Android users prefer to watch videos or listen to the music?
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Who said that 5" is big enough?? Have you seen the new Samsung Galaxy Note???
5,3" 1280x800 pixels 1,4 GHz...... I think that I fall in love....
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Thank you!. Did you test it? Some review say that it's a bit laggy...
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I haven't tested any of the software mentioned yet, but i am guessing it depends on the device the software is used with.
Pere said:
Who said that 5" is big enough?? Have you seen the new Samsung Galaxy Note???
5,3" 1280x800 pixels 1,4 GHz...... I think that I fall in love....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bfMmMrUwRnI#t=7s
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Yes its a beautiful device, but is going to be expensive on release, you can get Dell Streaks quite cheap even new now, especially on Fleebay, you can buy new with warranty at quite a reasonable price.
Pere said:
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It's hard to recognize it, but the sunset of our loved TG01 is coming....
I have a pair of TG01 and I love them, are the state of the art with WM. But WM is dead: all new software is for Iphone or Android. So, sooner or later, I'll jump to another device.
My problem is that I'm a Windows Mobile user since 2005 and absolutely ignorant regarding other operating systems.
I suppose that I'm not the only in this situation, and I'd like to know your opinions as you have already moved to other devices, from the point of view of a former WM 6.x user.
My son has a Iphone 4 and , jailbreaked, and it's impressive. On the other part, i love the specs of the last Android's Samsung Galaxy SII, specially after knowing that Host USB is possible on it.
Please contribute with your opinions , personal reviews, useful links, and specially, I'd like to create a table of programs on Android and Iphone OS, able to replace the hundred of WM programs (more or less) that I've got in my TG01.
Waiting your comments.
Thank you!
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Pere, I was also a hardcore wm fan. But I moved on to android, and never looked back!
Android is so promising and as statistics show, the best in the market!!
The S
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olyloh6696 said:
Pere, I was also a hardcore wm fan. But I moved on to android, and never looked back!
Android is so promising and as statistics show, the best in the market!!
The S2 is an great phone, but if I were you wait for the release of iPhone 5 first (just a few days time) to see which is best to upgrade from
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I'm still sticking with my TG01 for the time being, as I'm out of work and can't afford anything else. After installing S2U2 and iPhoneToday (both free from XDA) it feels like a brand new device with lots of life left in it.
Eventually I will move on to Android, probably either a top-end HTC or Samsung Galaxy variant.
R.I.P. Windows Mobile!
My MUST:
Screen bigger than TG01
Full Host USB
TV HD out
Two target:
Samsung Note;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AKk9RZLmoBw
Samsung Nexus one
http://youtu.be/paDABBppckk
If you are chosing one of those two Galaxsy Note is my pick but I prefer Samsung Galaxsy Nexsus Prime! That is a phone for you my friend
Barnes and Noble just announced their Nook Tablet and it is only 50 dollars more than the Kindle Fire. Personally, I am leaning more towards the Kindle Fire because I get one month of Amazon Prime free, but the Nook tablet has a lot going for it. Specs wise, they are actually pretty similar.
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So anyone planning on getting either of these tablets? Maybe both?
all i want to say is: CM9
give these things CM'd stock ICS, and the nook touch will pwn the kindle fire, in every way.
I really like the form factor of the Fire but 8gb of storage? Not ideal if you're traveling and want to load up a few movies. I'd need something with a bit more space for trips (of any length). Not bad for surfing at home though.
Moved
Will be interesting to find out if the NT is as easy to root as the original NC. Love my rooted NC, and the fact it is just about bombproof (aka screwing it up by rooting, ROM'ing, etc) makes it a tablet that can continue to grow with each new ROM version.
Love the new specs on the NT as well, so will be watching the dev community closely to see how rooting of it goes. My kids would be happy taking over my NC if I grab a NT
canadariot2312 said:
Barnes and Noble just announced their Nook Tablet and it is only 50 dollars more than the Kindle Fire. Personally, I am leaning more towards the Kindle Fire because I get one month of Amazon Prime free, but the Nook tablet has a lot going for it. Specs wise, they are actually pretty similar.
So anyone planning on getting either of these tablets? Maybe both?
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This comparison chart is outdated and should be fixed ASAP.
1. B&N has fooled consumers into their newly NT with 1.2GHz processor, but it's 1.0 GHz in reality.
2. The new NT officially claimed to have 11.5 hrs of reading and 9 hrs of watching video/clip
They might have limited the clock speed to up the battery life on paper.
chances
mtmerrick said:
all i want to say is: CM9
give these things CM'd stock ICS, and the nook touch will pwn the kindle fire, in every way.
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what do we think the chances of this are?
fearlesspaula said:
what do we think the chances of this are?
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unless there are unforseen complications, almost guaranteed. for both the Nook Tablet and the Kindle Fire.
Both are amazing devices for their pricepoint.
For novice/non techy users, probably the Fire is better, but it depends on if they want b&n or amazon content.
For advanced/techy rooting users, the Nook tablet is the way to go.
If both devices were side by side, both on, say, CM7, the nook would win because of the hardware.
Sent from my Samsung Legendary 4G, a Universe UTES Phone, running "two. two"
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what do we think the chances of this are?
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I would say 95% chance this NT will get ICS update either from B&N or from CM8/9.
The remain question is: will the original NC get CM8/9-ICS or not.
I do hope so.
votinh said:
This comparison chart is outdated and should be fixed ASAP.
1. B&N has fooled consumers into their newly NT with 1.2GHz processor, but it's 1.0 GHz in reality.
2. The new NT officially claimed to have 11.5 hrs of reading and 9 hrs of watching video/clip
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3. The NT also has a microphone. Small yet effective positive addition...
There's more features in NT that even B&N forgets to mention sometimes:
-- a fully functional mic/sound recorder (I'm not sure is it a double mic like in BB Playbook -- a reference platform for both AK Fire and NT, or a single mic, but it's huge)
-- laminated IPS is supposed to be better than what NC has. Nobody knows what effect in reality this lamination has, even the reviewers who put NT and NC side by side for their Photo session.
As for chances of CM7, then CM9 to be build for NT, these are good. There was even a chance of verygreen's size-agnostic SD card booting CM7 right there, at the presentation.
(more details can be found in my blog)
I can sideload my epub library to the Nook without an issue. I cannot inject anything into the Kindle Fire, I have to buy it from Amazon.
There is also the 'hidden' cost of Amazon Prime. Each device has to have a person with an Amazon Prime account. If you don't already have such an account, that is an additional $80/year after any free incentives run out, versus the Nook Tablet which never has any maintenance fees, ever.
For those two reasons alone, I'm staying with the Nook. The hardware (probably faster speed, more RAM, more storage, expansion slot that 99.9% likely is the primary boot device, microphone) seals the deal.
byronczimmer said:
I can sideload my epub library to the Nook without an issue. I cannot inject anything into the Kindle Fire, I have to buy it from Amazon.
There is also the 'hidden' cost of Amazon Prime. Each device has to have a person with an Amazon Prime account. If you don't already have such an account, that is an additional $80/year after any free incentives run out, versus the Nook Tablet which never has any maintenance fees, ever.
For those two reasons alone, I'm staying with the Nook. The hardware (probably faster speed, more RAM, more storage, expansion slot that 99.9% likely is the primary boot device, microphone) seals the deal.
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I have a Kindle and I "inject" converted mobi books from ePub through Calibre just fine
Amazon Prime is NOT required to own a Kindle Fire. Without Prime benefits, you can use the device for its intended purposes, just fine. If you are going to root with a custom ROM, none of those would matter, though. For people who are going to run other ROMs on KF or NT, the decision will be at the "hardware" level, instead of comparing the ecosystem of Amazon to B&N.
Thinking it over some, I will recommend the Kindle Fire and associated Amazon Ecosystem to my friends that come to me for computer buying/repair advice.
Personally the Amazon stock GUI is much better than the B&N stock GUI.
Amazon did a great job at pulling off a user friendly device.
As a person who likes to be in control of my technology, I will pick up a Nook Tablet. If it turns out that it is wide open like the NC, I will be an early adopter of the NT.
They have the same SoC, at least superficially identical screens, and very similar size/weight. From my perspective, assuming comparable levels of developer support--something that remains to be seen, really--the question is whether it's worth $50 for more storage, more RAM, and a microSD slot.
Complaining about being "locked in" to either system strikes me as unworthy of these forums. Amazon already said they'll allow sideloading, and even if B&N doesn't at the start, it should be easy enough to root your Nook and set it up. Both run gingerbread, so if you don't want to use Amazon's or B&N's ecosystem, then there are plenty of alternative apps available. Or better yet, install CM9 when it's ready and dump the entire pre-installed experience.
In terms of stock interface, Amazon definitely looks more slick, and Silk is a great idea. Amazon also offers streaming music and movies, as well as cloud services, while B&N is reliant on partner support for anything besides books. While third party support is an advantage in some cases, such as ability to borrow stuff from your local library, my gut feeling is that the majority of people who buy these things don't really use features that aren't readily accessible from the default interface.
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I can sideload my epub library to the Nook without an issue. I cannot inject anything into the Kindle Fire, I have to buy it from Amazon.
There is also the 'hidden' cost of Amazon Prime. Each device has to have a person with an Amazon Prime account. If you don't already have such an account, that is an additional $80/year after any free incentives run out, versus the Nook Tablet which never has any maintenance fees, ever.
For those two reasons alone, I'm staying with the Nook. The hardware (probably faster speed, more RAM, more storage, expansion slot that 99.9% likely is the primary boot device, microphone) seals the deal.
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Where have you gotten the completely false info about the KF?
I own the nook color with CM7 and love it..
That said
1> Kindle fire will outsell Nook Tablet due to the price difference.. 90% of the consumers wont care about the add ons on the nook Tablets..
2> BN will be forced to drop the price after 3 months to match KF..
Hopefully BN makes money on the reduced price to keep the competition in the space alive..
Personally i like the microphone in the nook which was a key feature for me.. because i can run skype while on vacation..
I am going to go for the nook touch over the kindle fire for the microphone.. HTC Flyer might see a price drop so that might be on the list too..
Like others have said, if you don't want to think about it, buy an apple- (insert gadget name) but if you want choices then go with Android.
Amazon is sort of going the way of Apple by making certain decisions for us wee little consumers. They create and simplify their own ecosystem and it looks appealing to non-techies.
If I can draw a metaphor:
Apple has a yard full of the coolest toys that you cannot take home, fenced in with razor wire.
Amazon has a friendlier yard with cool toys too but you can't help but miss some of your favorite ones, ie the Android market.
B&N has a fenced in yard that they don't seem to enforce and for people who like wide open spaces without too many rules, it's great. They had better work on their website and access to apps to stay competitive though.
You just have to figure out whose yard you want to play in.
I hate overpaying at B&N so I hope they work something out to continue to be a viable competitor.
I'm trying to decide between a kindle fire or a nook tablet. To be honest, the biggest selling point for me is, which will be more like a regular android tablet once rooted and flashed with a new rom eventually. I'm as interested in performance as functionality. I would primarily use it for light gaming, movie watching movies & Netflix, and Playing with apps and live wallpaper lol. Sorry, I'm relatively new to Android but i used to be big in windows mobile and flashing a different Rom every other day. I'm really looking for some personal opinions on this. Thanks a lot guys.
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I have bought nook . Because it has more ram and more storage and the screen is a bit better. But other than that look that they are the same with kindle. Even though looks like kindle will be a bit more famous so that means that it will little more kindle software support and development.
Nook color the father of nook table . A cyanogenmod was released and also Honeycomb so im expecting Ics to come in Nook Tablet and that's enough for my opinion.
Buy a Nook Tablet based on what it can do for you today - not what it might do for you someday.
If you are a daily Rom flasher you might want to hold off. There is no way to do that today on the Nook Tablet - and the Fire is inadequate hardware.
I'm having a good time with my NT, especially since I rooted it. I use it a LOT more than the Dell Streak 7 I just sold. You still can't install custom roms so if that's a biggie, it's probably a deal killer, but I like to tinker with my toys and I'm having fun playing around with all of the launcher options and other tweaks that are available that for the time being, so the lack of roms isn't a big deal. I find it great for light gaming, Netflix and most importantly, I find the SD card extremely useful since I can easily transfer media from one tablet to another.
Honestly I'm concerned about the nook's bootloader being locked down and from what I've seen, the hardware is near identical to the kindle, but the kindle only has 512 megs of memory, however, the nook does have the sd card slot
The fire will be more popular, but the nook tablet is the better 7" tablet stock. Even with only root the nook tablet can do everything the fire can do, just a bit better. You can install amazon market,do amazon video etc....just like the fire,plus it has the sd slot
If you decide to go with the Fire - Enjoy the 6GB's of limited space you will be using, not to even mention the 512MB of ram.
If you decide to go with the nook - Enjoy the 16GB's onboard memory, 1GB of ram, mic and SD slot that adds up to another 32GB's.
Also, watch this video to see what happens when the Fire is dropped on concrete : Goggle Drop Test: Nook Tablet Vs Kindle Fire (Giveaway) : I cannot post links for another 8 posts
The Fire is coated with something that makes the glass very bendable ( or so I've read ) thus making any type of drop on the Fire's screen crack the entire screen rather than part of it - enjoy
Best tablet for OP
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I used the Kindle Fire and The Nook Tablet side by side for a week. I ended up keeping the Tablet and returning the Fire. But then, I wasn't looking for a color e-reader to be "all things tablet." The nook does all things smoother and has better hardware than the Fire. On the other hand, the Fire is considered "Cooler" than the Nook and has "Amazon" in it's gene pool. The Nook Tablet is locked down tight and there's a good chance you can never do all the uber-cool things you want to do making it into a tablet. From your original post, I'd say get the Fire for your needs as it is open to mods moreso than the Nook Tab. It would be a shame if, after a month or so you were endlessly on the various sites complaining about how the Nook Tablet you own has a locked down bootloader and you can't hack it to your heart's content and make a silk purse out of it. At least with the Fire, you can take it in any direction you want and have no excuses for not making it the tablet you desire.
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Is there an app that I can download to get that homepage on my Nook?
The Fire may be (at this point) the more moddable, hackable tablet, but why even bother if you can't enjoy smooth video playback? From what I've heard, the stock (rooted, sideloaded) Nook plays Amazon Prime video better than the Fire. The 512MB RAM really killed it for me.
Now with Ice Cream Sandwich.
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The Fire may be (at this point) the more moddable, hackable tablet, but why even bother if you can't enjoy smooth video playback? From what I've heard, the stock (rooted, sideloaded) Nook plays Amazon Prime video better than the Fire. The 512MB RAM really killed it for me.
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Yeah, same for me. I tested both devices for a while as well, and tested them against full android 7inch tablets, a few 10inchers, the color, old eInk ones etc. It actually did make a significant different, the memory and slightly faster processor. The microsd slot is really what killed it for me though against the KF specifically.
If you're approaching either device looking for an android tablet to do all things, then both will fail imo. If you're looking for a book/video/comics/browser/note taking device, with lots of expansion space, this is a great device (and for hundreds cheaper than OK 7inchers). The screen is REALLY nice for comics; this is where I noticed vibrant/color differences, and legibility (that is likely stock software comparisons).
Other things I noticed that were better (sometimes a bit better, sometimes a lot better) than the KF, HTC Flyer, Iconia, other 7inchers, etc:
- screen was more response; sometimes too response. This makes it tolerate screen protectors better (sidenote). This was a big factor in "should I get an HTC flyer?" for me, and the response level was surprising.
- screen was a bit more vibrant than the KF; different warmth levels I think? The KF shipped with screens that REALLY varied though.
- the NT grips better in my hands and I actually use the little loop quite often to stabilize it in my hand
- volume buttons. I use them a lot, and more than expected. I've definitely had websites try and blow out my ears with their default audio when I've had earphones on. speaking of audio, the NT only has one speaker so earphones are highly recommended. Probably the biggest minus for the device.
I too watched the KF vs NT dropped onto concrete video and was pretty horrified/amused. The protective frame really seems useful on the NT and it seems sturdier. I DO prefer the darker frame of the Nook Color though. I have already tested it on carpet from 5 feet or so, accidentally :/
Mines slipped off the bed a few times but did not get hurt considering its only 3 feet or so. Done the same with my phone to many times to count and that survives just fine as well. The screen is starting to get greasy tho so I need to find a way of protecting that. Mom should be getting me a cover or something this xmas considering its around the corner now. I was wondering about the screen on the fire compared to the one on the nook considering I have herd the nook has the better screen and have seen pics where the fire just sucks becuase its to washed out and to blue which means its to cool.
Nook tablet should be the far superior tablet if you want to turn it into an android tablet.
I can't understand why anyone on this forum would choose a fire over a nook tablet. The ram, the sd card slot, double the built-in storage. The nook's screen is also better--it's brighter, has better contrast, and more lively colors.
The fire also has no volume buttons, which was idiotic. Having a full home button is also pretty important, which the nook has.
The fire will clearly be upgraded in probably 6 months or less. It's a first generation product that is missing so many things. I also echo everyone else who has used the fire--it is laggy in every possible way. The lagginess of the fire is very apparent, and the web browser of the nook tablet is much smoother. I have no idea why the fire sells so well--if the masses knew how easy it is to root a nook and then install the amazon marketplace. The only thing that the fire has for it is that it's smaller footprint. The nook seems too big for a 7" tablet, but it is tapered and more pleasant to hold than the fire.
Best thing to do is to head to Best Buy. There you can try them out side by side.
You can always get them both from Best Buy and return the one you don't want. That's what I did and they are totally fine with it.
I ended up going with the KF but the NT has plenty of points in its favor as well.
Personally I didn't find the NT to have hugely better performance, despite having double the RAM. This was the one thing I was most concerned about but it really hasn't made a difference for me.
The NT has better ergonomics. It feels lighter (though looking at their specs it's only 13 g lighter than the KF). Probably a function of being larger and thicker so it's a lot less dense. The screen bezel almost feels padded, which is nice. The other advantages are better battery life, the microSD card slot, and physical buttons.
Disadvantages vs. the KF are price, stock software experience, buggy interface at times (there are some places where you get unreadable white-on-white or black-on-black text), and of course the locked bootloader.
I think the biggest deal for most people is the microSD slot. If you want to take a lot of media with you, the NT is the only way to go. If you don't care about that, then the KF is worth considering if only for the lower price. The other thing is I would recommend the KF over the NT for family members who would probably use it stock. The pure stock experience is awful on the NT and merely okay on the KF. Obviously they both benefit a lot from at least sideloading an alternate launcher, but the NT is practically unusable as anything but an e-reader without doing so.
Hey all. Sorry to bump this semi-dead thread, but I was wondering if I could get an update from you all..
I recently bought a Kindle Fire and have been pretty satisfied with it. I never really took the 512MB of ram into consideration until lately. I've had my fire now for about a month. I rooted it and am currently running CM7 on it with the processor overclocked to 1.2 ghz.
I was playing "scramble with friends" the other day and it did seem a bit laggy.. nothing extreme though, but I'm used to the smoothness. I haven't really played many games on it either to really see how the 512mb ram handles it.
I was wondering for clarification: Is the Nook Tablet's bootloader still unlockable? As in, can't install any customized roms on it?
Is it worth selling this KF to get a NT? I use my tablet for ereading about 5% of the time. 95% of the time I use it for social uses (web browsing, facebook, twitter, etc).
The only negatives I've noticed on my KF are the lack of volume buttons. I installed a widget that lays over the screen to adjust the volume, but I would rather have physical buttons. On the other hand, I don't mind NOT having a home button. I haven't been disadvantaged at all by not having one, so that really doesn't matter to me.
What do you guys think?
I can't comment on the KF due to never having used one. I did however just get done installing CM7 on a friend's NC (somewhat similar to the KF except processor) with it clocked to 1.2 Ghz and I own the NT running CM7 Alpha final and there is a very noticeable difference. The apps took longer to load vs NT. They didn't run as smooth on the NC vs the NT. There was not much available RAM left after loading the basics whereas the NT having 1 Gb of ram there was plenty left after running basics. Also, the main killer for me, and at first I was going to get the KF and now glad I didn't, is the sd card slot. I have kids and it is really nice to have that 32 Gb card to put all the movies I want on it. Plus I have repartitioned my internal to give myself 10 more GB of personal storage space. I do like the KF gorilla glass, that is pretty nice. I think though in the end it is all about personal preference. The KF and NT are both good devices in there own right and price point. The NT is still not completly on par with the straight android tablets in some features, but it is adequate for everything that I want to do. You may want to wait though if they do release the Asus memo370?? 7" tablet. The rumors are going both ways at the moment, but if they do release it at a $249.99 price point it appears it would a very good buy. Just my 2 cents.
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I can't comment on the KF due to never having used one. I did however just get done installing CM7 on a friend's NC (somewhat similar to the KF except processor) with it clocked to 1.2 Ghz and I own the NT running CM7 Alpha final and there is a very noticeable difference. The apps took longer to load vs NT. They didn't run as smooth on the NC vs the NT. There was not much available RAM left after loading the basics whereas the NT having 1 Gb of ram there was plenty left after running basics. Also, the main killer for me, and at first I was going to get the KF and now glad I didn't, is the sd card slot. I have kids and it is really nice to have that 32 Gb card to put all the movies I want on it. Plus I have repartitioned my internal to give myself 10 more GB of personal storage space. I do like the KF gorilla glass, that is pretty nice. I think though in the end it is all about personal preference. The KF and NT are both good devices in there own right and price point. The NT is still not completly on par with the straight android tablets in some features, but it is adequate for everything that I want to do. You may want to wait though if they do release the Asus memo370?? 7" tablet. The rumors are going both ways at the moment, but if they do release it at a $249.99 price point it appears it would a very good buy. Just my 2 cents.
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Thanks for replying. From my understanding, though, is that the Nook Color and the Kindle Fire both have 512MB ram.... but the KF has dual-core processor, as the NC isn't. I suppose this helps the KF with the overall smoothness.
is the bootloader still unlockable...yes...and no. the bootloader is still locked however, you can SKIP IT ENTIRELY on bootup. currently the NT has 2 different basic roms avail in either alpha or beta form
android 4.0(cm9)- alpha- status update the team is plugging away getting the 3.0 kernel ported (updating from the 2.6.7? kernel) before releasing another rom- all they have to do now is sound- and tweak hw video acceleration i think. i am not sure if this version works on the 8gig NT yet
android 2.3.7?(cm7) early beta/late alpha form- 2 identical versions- one installed internally, one installed via microsd card- both work very well for where they are at.-both also work for BOTH versions of the NT
so if i was to choose between the fire and NT- i'd get the NT(16gig).
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Hey all. Sorry to bump this semi-dead thread, but I was wondering if I could get an update from you all..
I recently bought a Kindle Fire and have been pretty satisfied with it. I never really took the 512MB of ram into consideration until lately. I've had my fire now for about a month. I rooted it and am currently running CM7 on it with the processor overclocked to 1.2 ghz.
I was playing "scramble with friends" the other day and it did seem a bit laggy.. nothing extreme though, but I'm used to the smoothness. I haven't really played many games on it either to really see how the 512mb ram handles it.
I was wondering for clarification: Is the Nook Tablet's bootloader still unlockable? As in, can't install any customized roms on it?
Is it worth selling this KF to get a NT? I use my tablet for ereading about 5% of the time. 95% of the time I use it for social uses (web browsing, facebook, twitter, etc).
The only negatives I've noticed on my KF are the lack of volume buttons. I installed a widget that lays over the screen to adjust the volume, but I would rather have physical buttons. On the other hand, I don't mind NOT having a home button. I haven't been disadvantaged at all by not having one, so that really doesn't matter to me.
What do you guys think?
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Thanks for replying. From my understanding, though, is that the Nook Color and the Kindle Fire both have 512MB ram.... but the KF has dual-core processor, as the NC isn't. I suppose this helps the KF with the overall smoothness.
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Yes the KF is smooth from what I have seen. I would say that the dc processor is helping, but the 1 Gb of ram in the NT helps the most I would think. Like I stated though, they are both good devices with pros and cons with each. For me after everything the better hardware and the expandable memory is the most important and that is why I chose the NT.
Hey xda, Im currently on a stupid ipod typing this, going to be selling this on ebay to fund a tablet. I was thinking about getting the kindle fire until I learned that there is no sd card slot. Then I looked into the nook tablet which is $250 and looked it up on here to realiaze that there isnt much development for it yet (idk if its a new tablet). So then I looked into the nook color which is $200, and learned that there are plenty of roms and dev for it.
So basically I was just wondering will the nook tablet get as much development as the nook color in the future and if not, would the color still perform well enough for a good amount of time?
All im interested in is rooting and installung roms on the tablet, so if it cant do that im not really interested. Im a noob here and a noob to android so I dont know much so help would be greatly appreciAted.
Also if you guys know of anotger good tablet in the $200 price range, it would be awesome if you could tell me about it.
Sorry if this has already been asked and answered.
Thanks!
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So basically I was just wondering will the nook tablet get as much development as the nook color in the future and if not, would the color still perform well enough for a good amount of time?
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No - The Nook Color had a fully unlocked bootloader and could boot directly off of the SD card (and maybe USB too?)
The Nook Tablet can boot directly from USB and from MicroSD, but ONLY if the boot image was cryptographically signed by Barnes and Noble. (e.g. the Nook Tablet has a locked bootloader.)
For this reason, the Tablet will never see anywhere close to the amount of development the Color had. As an example, look at the dismal state of development on many OMAP4-based Motorola phones to see what a locked bootloader does.
They're workarounds (such as second init and kexec), but second init is extremely limiting, and so far no one has succeeded with kexec - even if they do, your risk of bricking is FAR higher with a locked device.
I've heard the Acer Iconia A100 goes on sale fairly cheap on a regular basis. It was $190 on Black Friday.
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No - The Nook Color had a fully unlocked bootloader and could boot directly off of the SD card (and maybe USB too?)
The Nook Tablet can boot directly from USB and from MicroSD, but ONLY if the boot image was cryptographically signed by Barnes and Noble. (e.g. the Nook Tablet has a locked bootloader.)
For this reason, the Tablet will never see anywhere close to the amount of development the Color had. As an example, look at the dismal state of development on many OMAP4-based Motorola phones to see what a locked bootloader does.
They're workarounds (such as second init and kexec), but second init is extremely limiting, and so far no one has succeeded with kexec - even if they do, your risk of bricking is FAR higher with a locked device.
I've heard the Acer Iconia A100 goes on sale fairly cheap on a regular basis. It was $190 on Black Friday.
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Thanks! Ill give you a thumbs up or thanks or whatever this forum uses when I get home because I cant do it from tapatalk. Ill look up that acer tablet now and edit this post after that.
Edit: Wow! It has a tegra 2 as well! 2 cameras as well! Jeez an its about the same price as the nook tablet was. Thanks! Im gonna look in the dev section for this tablet on the forums and see what I can find
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You've listed some of the good points about the Iconia A100. Here's the flip side:
Battery life sucks. The A100 has half the battery capacity of the A500, which was already reviewed as having the worst battery life of the 10" crop.
Screen (TN display) sucks, especially in portrait mode. You better be holding it within the tiny sweet spot else display will solarize.
Community support is near zero. Check out the A100 dev forum.
Now, one may tout the GPS, crappy cams, and the anemic Tegra2 as advantages. But battery life, screen quality, and community support easily trump the trivial hardware features.
The NT-vs-NC comparison is more interesting. The short answer is that it depends on your use. The NC has a weak CPU, but it's versatile enough in its various use cases, eg e-reader, most apps and the majority of games. And as said, it's on track to get ICS. Lastly, it's cheap (currently $129 on sale).
The NT's OMAP 4430 is among the most powerful of the current dual-cores, and is best for watching HD movies, with better usability overall due to its faster speed. With root/sideloading, you are no longer locked into B&N ecosystem, and the unit is almost as versatile as the NC. But it does cost more, almost twice the NC.
The NT's potential depends on how far the devs can get in trying to unlock the NT. Unlike Entropy's "never" reply, I'm not as dogmatic and am willing to wait and see how they fare. It's early.
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You've listed some of the good points about the Iconia A100. Here's the flip side:
Battery life sucks. The A100 has half the battery capacity of the A500, which was already reviewed as having the worst battery life of the 10" crop.
Screen (TN display) sucks, especially in portrait mode. You better be holding it within the tiny sweet spot else display will solarize.
Community support is near zero. Check out the A100 dev forum.
Now, one may tout the GPS, crappy cams, and the anemic Tegra2 as advantages. But battery life, screen quality, and community support easily trump the trivial hardware features.
The NT-vs-NC comparison is more interesting. The short answer is that it depends on your use. The NC has a weak CPU, but it's versatile enough in its various use cases, eg e-reader, most apps and the majority of games. And as said, it's on track to get ICS. Lastly, it's cheap (currently $129 on sale).
The NT's OMAP 4430 is among the most powerful of the current dual-cores, and is best for watching HD movies, with better usability overall due to its faster speed. With root/sideloading, you are no longer locked into B&N ecosystem, and the unit is almost as versatile as the NC. But it does cost more, almost twice the NC.
The NT's potential depends on how far the devs can get in trying to unlock the NT. Unlike Entropy's "never" reply, I'm not as dogmatic and am willing to wait and see how they fare. It's early.
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Oh alright, well I need a good battery because I will be brining it o school and such. The NT would be a good choice for me because I want to run emulators and such, so I would think that having a more powerful cpu would do well with that.
Yeah ive seen zedomax install the android market on it, so I know its not totally locked up. I just want to be able to install roms in the future, thats all. Ive seen my friend with his nexus s and it looks like load of fun tweaking with it. Thts the main reason Im selling the ipod and want to swtich to a small android tablet.
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The real question that it boils down to is this:
What do you want it for?
I've tossed around the idea of returning it, for the simple fact that I can't install custom roms on it. But then, what difference does that really make in my using the device? What will I be able to do once the ROMS are available that I can't do now? Not much, really. It would be neat to have ICS on it, but again, what will I be able to do? At the end of the day, does it run the apps I use? Yes. Would it possibly be a better user experience with a better ROM on it? More than likely.
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The real question that it boils down to is this:
What do you want it for?
I've tossed around the idea of returning it, for the simple fact that I can't install custom roms on it. But then, what difference does that really make in my using the device? What will I be able to do once the ROMS are available that I can't do now? Not much, really. It would be neat to have ICS on it, but again, what will I be able to do? At the end of the day, does it run the apps I use? Yes. Would it possibly be a better user experience with a better ROM on it? More than likely.
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Well the most important thing are the tablet apps, more and more tablet apps are coming out...and more will come as ICS gets on more devices.
>Well the most important thing are the tablet apps, more and more tablet apps are coming out
Which of the four HC apps are you referring to?
HC is dead. From Google's version tracker, active HC devices stand at 2.4% of total Android. Apart from GNexus, ICS won't show up until next year, and it'll take much longer for ICS-specific apps to show up. By that time, we'll already be jabbering about the Nook 3.
Speaking of which, I do expect B&N to keep in lock-step with Amazon, in releasing a larger tablet come spring. Video content (read: Netflix & co) has the highest pull, and 7" is too small for good video playback. May be B&N can call this the Nook XL.
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Which of the four HC apps are you referring to?
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IMHO there are enough 3.0+ apps or apps with tablet versions that only work in 3.0+ to make the difference appreciable, especially if you want landscape mode to be more usable. Google has tablet-optimized versions of Gmail and Reader with split panes. File Manager HD has a nice menu pane. IMDB's app has a very nice layout for 3.0+ tablets. Mizuu and Reddita are 3.0+ only
There's a large selection of Tablet apps, use this to get the list https://market.android.com/details?id=com.andromo.dev86.app119
And ICS is coming to many devices early next year. Companies have already announced ICS tablets and more will be announced at CES.
Gingerbread on a tablet in 2012 just doesn't cut it.
Yes, I was being a bit facetious, hence the smilie.
The point stands that HC is irrelevant going forward. Per graph below, it's just a blip on the Android radar. (Now we know why vendors aren't so keen on releasing more HC tablets.) Devs base their decision on market size. Whatever tab-specific action that will happen will be with GB and ICS later. Despite the "ICS is coming" hoopla, software is typically one cycle behind the OS. That won't change, especially with the unproven state of the Android tablet market. For the near future, most Android apps/games will still be phones-first.
>Gingerbread on a tablet in 2012 just doesn't cut it.
The reality is that GB will still be predominant for most if not all of 2012. It'll take about that long for ICS to achieve critical mass. The whole horde of Android phones that are on 2-yr contracts won't be ditched overnight.
It's academic anyway since we're talking about a 7" device. Most current tab-specific apps are optimized for the larger real-estate of 9/10" units. In fact, you can wander over to the Iconia A100 forum and hear the laments of incompatible apps on that HC 7" device.
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I read through it all but since Im on an ipod its a pain to quote everythig. But anyway Im just gonna search for a tablet that is good in that price range and is fun to play around with. Ill give you all thumbs up when I get home, sorry, I didnt get home til 11 last night so I couldnt even get on my computer to even view the thread to give you all thumbs up.
I understand that the nook tablet doesnt have what I want and the nook color has the rooting features and development that I want but it has weaker hardware so I wouldnt be able to install ics or something else on it in the future.
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If you aren't locked into the 7" size, a better deal is to look for year-end sales on the Tegra 2 10" crop (Iconia A500, Tosh Thrive, Xoom, Asus TF). The Acer & Tosh were $200 on BF, the Asus $250, the Xoom $300. The 10" is less portable, but the larger screen allows more versatility. If you intend to use the tablet for a range of activities, a 7" isn't a good choice. Definitely not good for emus.
I favor the Xoom and the Asus TF, both for the better hardware and good community support. The Tegra 2 is a capable SoC except for playing HD videos. Most of these Teg2 will get ICS, either officially or via custom ROM.
BTW, you can already download an ICS ROM for the Nook Color. It's buggy, but workable. That said, don't get caught in the ICS hype. It's just another Android rev with incremental improvements. It's not a must-have. Like another said, know what your uses are, and get the hardware to best fit those.
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If you aren't locked into the 7" size, a better deal is to look for year-end sales on the Tegra 2 10" crop (Iconia A500, Tosh Thrive, Xoom, Asus TF). The Acer & Tosh were $200 on BF, the Asus $250, the Xoom $300. The 10" is less portable, but the larger screen allows more versatility. If you intend to use the tablet for a range of activities, a 7" isn't a good choice. Definitely not good for emus.
I favor the Xoom and the Asus TF, both for the better hardware and good community support. The Tegra 2 is a capable SoC except for playing HD videos. Most of these Teg2 will get ICS, either officially or via custom ROM.
BTW, you can already download an ICS ROM for the Nook Color. It's buggy, but workable. That said, don't get caught in the ICS hype. It's just another Android rev with incremental improvements. It's not a must-have. Like another said, know what your uses are, and get the hardware to best fit those.
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Yeah idc about size, if it fits in my backpack, it works for me. Thanks for the recommendations!
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I own both the NC and NT...
I have owned the NC since Jan 2011. Dual boot, run cm7 off sd card, does all that it can. I have over 80 apps working on it. Have read 35+ books on the NC.
I also own the NT since mid Nov 2011. It does Hulu + great just finished watching a 2 hour movie. And have rooted it and it getting mods made for it. I really like the 2 cpu's and snappy screens. It just works for me. Really like reading more on NT than NC, just faster screen stuff. I have all the same apps on it that I have on the NC.
I also own a full windows 7" tablet, but NT is my choice at the end of the day, it does it all.
BloodyRory said:
Hey xda, Im currently on a stupid ipod typing this, going to be selling this on ebay to fund a tablet. I was thinking about getting the kindle fire until I learned that there is no sd card slot. Then I looked into the nook tablet which is $250 and looked it up on here to realiaze that there isnt much development for it yet (idk if its a new tablet). So then I looked into the nook color which is $200, and learned that there are plenty of roms and dev for it.
So basically I was just wondering will the nook tablet get as much development as the nook color in the future and if not, would the color still perform well enough for a good amount of time?
All im interested in is rooting and installung roms on the tablet, so if it cant do that im not really interested. Im a noob here and a noob to android so I dont know much so help would be greatly appreciAted.
Also if you guys know of anotger good tablet in the $200 price range, it would be awesome if you could tell me about it.
Sorry if this has already been asked and answered.
Thanks!
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Unless battery life is not important to you, you should take a look at the Kindle Fire.
They already got CM7 and ICS/CM9 is about to come out for the device.
Development for the Nook Color is pretty much asleep at this point, though at least it is certain to get ICS/CM9 sometime in the future ...
Unless the bootloader issue can be resolved, you will not be able to run any tablet apps on the Nook Tablet - which just plain sucks: it's a tablet that can't run tablet apps.
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Unless battery life is not important to you, you should take a look at the Kindle Fire.
They already got CM7 and ICS/CM9 is about to come out for the device.
Development for the Nook Color is pretty much asleep at this point, though at least it is certain to get ICS/CM9 sometime in the future ...
Unless the bootloader issue can be resolved, you will not be able to run any tablet apps on the Nook Tablet - which just plain sucks: it's a tablet that can't run tablet apps.
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If you want storage space, or the ability to play *almost* hd video, then do not get the kindle fire.
Many of us bought the NT because NC had an unlocked boot loader, thinking that NT will also be unlocked.
Now how many of us will buy the next Nook.....I'm already out.
Hi in this Nexus 10 thread I was asked about the OnePlusOne thoughts.
So posting not a OPO review but how it affects my "relationship" with my Nexus 10.
The Nexus 10 "sucks" now relatively speaking primarily because it suffers from a relatively slow CPU and significantly from only really 1GB of memory.
So I've had to view the Nexus 10 as a "special purpose" device rather than a "general device" and use it in a deliberately complimentary way to the other device.
Until I got the OPO the other device to the Nexus 10 was really the N7 (latest), in that it has fast cpu, sufficient memory. I'd use both tablets side-by-side on a desk or pick up N7 to do something whilst using the N10.
Example problems with the N10 are too many browser tabs open it would reset, or if I'm doing anything much in the background, so I couldn't really do any work like an Office file edit at same time as browsing. So I'd be using my N10 for one-thing-at-a-time like browsing one website, or watching a video and nothing else open.
Given the N10 is the one-thing-at-a-time machine, it places a lot onto the complimentary device in terms of it needing to be a pretty good device by itself.
Hence to the OPO, with a 5.5" screen, fast CPU and lashings of memory 3GB, it is such a complementary device, I can easily have many apps running, all the background apps that each gobble some memory, like Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, XDA app, etc. Whilst the Nexus 10 pretty much only has MX Player, Dolphin (for Flash sites) not even Chrome but I installed CM11-M9 and just use its "browser".
Since the high-spec complementary-to-N10 I moved N10 from stock to CM11-M9 and the random reboots stopped and performance is about the same so only major benefit is more stable.
So in this hybrid OPO+N10 I got the big-screen experience for when I want it, plus stability and performance, across two devices.
I got this complimentary hybrid with N7+N10 also and to a lesser degree N5+N10 but the more you push onto the non-N10 device the more it needs to be bigger screen, so I'd say OPO+N10 are good complements to each other.
FYI I paid $278 for a refurbished N10 in November, and I paid $360 delivered for a new OPO a month ago. My N7 was $160 refurbished and my N5 new $385. Overall, the N7 is the most value, followed by OPO, then N5, then N10. The N10 is only used for a narrow, but long-running tasks like watching a video, I'm usually on MX Player on it.
I have given my N5 and N7 to my wife, they complement each other well in that the smaller the phone screen the more it beckons for a tablet and N7 is a good tablet.
When away from home, the N10 I find is simply not worth removing from the house, it is simply too big and not really that useful, battery life sucks, it is slow to recharge even with the Pogoplug, despite its big screen it is too temperamental. Before OPO I'd leave house with N5+N7. Now I leave just with the OPO, as its got everything in one device, memory, storage (64GB) and speed to handle all the apps concurrently, so in that regard the OPO as a "one plus one" i.e. human plus one device, is correct.
So OPO is flawed, but its cheap and powerful and whatever bugs exist, I've not noticed them, in contrast to the N10 the OPO is much more stable and bug-free.
Any negativ reviews of the OPO, if you look at polls from owners, they show up about 8% have a problem which is major, put that in proportion the relatively happy 90% owners, such as myself.
I bought 3 OPO, one for my son, then my neighbor, then myself, then I helped out the local phone shop staff who helped me on a discounted family plan and an OPO forum member who impressed me with a balanced perspective.
OPO not perfect, its a cheap-support-sucks-from-China phone.
Nexus 10 though is even worse. I can't imagine how sick I'd feel if I'd paid RRP $499+tax+shipping $550 from Google Play for it. It is not even good value at $278 refurbished relative to other devices (vs say $160 N7 refurbished). I won't sell it though as its good to have a silent "laptop" type screen in bed, not far ever from Pogo cable.
Nexus 10 was released in November 2012 - that is 18 months ago - by Moore's law it is obvious that any device on the market will seem relatively slow 18 months after release.
To be fair Nexus 10 16GB model only cost 349$ at release and was a the time the highest resolution screen you could find on a tablet(still is tied highest) - and higher display resolution than almost all laptops on the market, even 1000+$ ones. It seems like a reasonable price - of course they should have cut the price a year after release or so.
I find that the Nexus 10 is still somewhat useful as a laptop replacement - it is much lighter than a laptop you can use an external keyboard for editing code or documents(or just reading books,without external keyboard) on a screen which has sharper and nicer looking text than any laptop in this price class. The battery on my device lasts around 7 hours with constant use - which is more than the average laptop which only lasts 3 hours roughly. (More expensive devices such as ultrabooks last longer, ofc). That being said there are tasks which the Nexus 10 just isn't suited for and agree it must complemented with another device.
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Nexus 10 was released in November 2012 - that is 18 months ago - by Moore's law it is obvious that any device on the market will seem relatively slow 18 months after release.
To be fair Nexus 10 16GB model only cost 349$ at release and was a the time the highest resolution screen you could find on a tablet(still is tied highest) - and higher display resolution than almost all laptops on the market, even 1000+$ ones. It seems like a reasonable price - of course they should have cut the price a year after release or so.
I find that the Nexus 10 is still somewhat useful as a laptop replacement - it is much lighter than a laptop you can use an external keyboard for editing code or documents(or just reading books,without external keyboard) on a screen which has sharper and nicer looking text than any laptop in this price class. The battery on my device lasts around 7 hours with constant use - which is more than the average laptop which only lasts 3 hours roughly. (More expensive devices such as ultrabooks last longer, ofc). That being said there are tasks which the Nexus 10 just isn't suited for and agree it must complemented with another device.
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I tried one trip Nexus 10+ other but N10 just not reliable enough. N7 is more reliable. I think its really down to the 1GB memory, its just too little. They should have actually had 2GB not claiming 2GB of which 1GB goes to video.
So that's my problem with N10 as laptop, the reliability problem.
Plus of course if you spent $500 on Wintel, you get globs of specifications like hdd capacities, it somewhat defeats the point of a tablet when it costs the same as a laptop but inferior. My Netbook was getting 7-8 hours, comparable to N10.
I have to disagree with this review too. Purely on the basis that I don't use my phone at home, not even for phonecalls or texts because it all works off the N10. It's still a very useful and usable device that has kept up in pace with the latest devices coming up. Yes it shows it's slowness a bit when I compare it to a galaxy tab pro but that's the difference two years makes. By no means does it "suck", or even relatively "suck". If you really want to see what actually sucks, try using the original galaxy tab and then see. The N10 plays the content, games, music I want to my smart TV and on the device itself without straining itself.
I don't see the N10 as a laptop replacement either because I use my laptop for playing games, photo editing, CAD modelling because the N10 won't do it to the level of detail I want it to.
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I have to disagree with this review too. Purely on the basis that I don't use my phone at home, not even for phonecalls or texts because it all works off the N10. It's still a very useful and usable device that has kept up in pace with the latest devices coming up. Yes it shows it's slowness a bit when I compare it to a galaxy tab pro but that's the difference two years makes. By no means does it "suck", or even relatively "suck". If you really want to see what actually sucks, try using the original galaxy tab and then see. The N10 plays the content, games, music I want to my smart TV and on the device itself without straining itself.
I don't see the N10 as a laptop replacement either because I use my laptop for playing games, photo editing, CAD modelling because the N10 won't do it to the level of detail I want it to.
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Crashing and rebooting counts as "sucks", and is a factual non-debatable point.
Performance, is debatable and is context specific. I guess you don't have the random reboot issues, which in my case CM11-M9 fixed, but I've still got the performance issue.
The 1GB is I think the problem, not so much the 1GB as memory has to be flushed for apps active to release up prior to loading new, whilst 2GB memory would have less, i.e. the phone is "swapping" (yes I know its not actually paging but you know what I mean).
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Crashing and rebooting counts as "sucks", and is a factual non-debatable point.
Performance, is debatable and is context specific. I guess you don't have the random reboot issues, which in my case CM11-M9 fixed, but I've still got the performance issue.
The 1GB is I think the problem, not so much the 1GB as memory has to be flushed for apps active to release up prior to loading new, whilst 2GB memory would have less, i.e. the phone is "swapping" (yes I know its not actually paging but you know what I mean).
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I think that's ROM specific. I'm using slimkat and I have zero issues, tried liquid smooth before that and still no issues at all.
Also why do you keep quoting 1GB as a problem when the N10 has 2GB memory?
Have you looked at the memory?
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I think that's ROM specific. I'm using slimkat and I have zero issues, tried liquid smooth before that and still no issues at all.
Also why do you keep quoting 1GB as a problem when the N10 has 2GB memory?
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Look in settings you will see it is a 1GB memory. This from mine. Also for comparison from my OPO.
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I think that's ROM specific. I'm using slimkat and I have zero issues, tried liquid smooth before that and still no issues at all.
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There is something in stock Android which makes my N10 unreliable.
I have only tried CM11 not tried any other. I also just installed only the apps I uniquely need for my N10. It is for sure more reliable but I don't know exactly the cause or what is different to fix. Could be luck.
Why I picked CM is the OPO came with it and so why not CM for the N10 was the only depth of thinking.
My N7 N4 N5 all rock solid stable no matter what on stock Android.
I might have a dud N10 its camera doesn't work.
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OPO is one of the most over rated phones. To come here to a N10 thread and bash it because it's slow compared to a phone is really a waste of everyone's time.
The N10 is far from slow. I use it every day and have had zero issues with it. And it was purchased on launch day.
The OPO is the black plaque of devices. It's been riddled with a marketing nightmare, bug issues, and now hardware promises that is another failed launch. Their marketing campaign was one of the worst things I've ever seen coming from a flagship device.
It's just my opinion, but then again writing this was about as useful as reading the thread.
One last thing. Read the specs on the n10 posted here http://www.google.com/nexus/10/specs/
You will find it has 2gb ram. And with these issues you have on the n10, let me guess, you are using a custom rom? I run stock rooted and have zero issues. Still is faster than most devices. The N10 set the bar on how to build a lasting device. Yeah, I drank their cool aide. Only because it is the best Damn 10" tablet to be marketed.
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nigelhealy: Your device shows 1.1GB ram in settings because 900MB ram is hard-dedicated to the GPU on the N10. Snapdragon phones don't have to hard-dedicate ram to the GPU in this manner, but it's of course important to note that the GPU does obviously take up whatever ram it needs regardless.
So the only practical effect of hard-dedicating the ram in this manner is that a few hundred meg can sometimes be sat idle on the GPU side if the you app you're using isn't particularly GPU heavy.
Otherwise, I must agree with the others. My N10 is still a great tablet, nearly 2 years after initial release.
I have both the OnePlus one and the Nexus 10. While the one is faster the Nexus 10 keeps up very well and has the advantage of screen size. I like both of them for different tasks. Both are stock and rooted.
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OPO is one of the most over rated phones. To come here to a N10 thread and bash it because it's slow compared to a phone is really a waste of everyone's time.
The N10 is far from slow. I use it every day and have had zero issues with it. And it was purchased on launch day.
The OPO is the black plaque of devices. It's been riddled with a marketing nightmare, bug issues, and now hardware promises that is another failed launch. Their marketing campaign was one of the worst things I've ever seen coming from a flagship device.
It's just my opinion, but then again writing this was about as useful as reading the thread.
One last thing. Read the specs on the n10 posted here http://www.google.com/nexus/10/specs/
You will find it has 2gb ram. And with these issues you have on the n10, let me guess, you are using a custom rom? I run stock rooted and have zero issues. Still is faster than most devices. The N10 set the bar on how to build a lasting device. Yeah, I drank their cool aide. Only because it is the best Damn 10" tablet to be marketed.
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The N10 has 1GB memory. Scroll up and see the screenshot.
The OPO has simply more of everything greater apart from physical screen size .
http://our.antutu.net/api/?action=v5&act=benchmark&id=3147201
http://our.antutu.net/api/?action=v5&act=benchmark&id=3146867
So the N10 current niche is for screen size non performance purposes.
I've tried stock all the versions, CM11 and currently on Thunderkat with f2fs /cache /data
FYI the price drops we saw a year ago of $278 - $330 for 32gb N10 are now showing for GPad 8.3 $199 with 64Gb SD card $30 gives a performance boost if wanting a bigger fast tablet.
Ok. The N10 has 2gb ram. Plain and simple. But let's do this. Let's compare my note 2 to the Sony Erickson shall we? The point is you are comparing a new phone to an almost 2 year old tablet. They are meant to do very different things.
You should compare apples to oranges. Like I said, the one+one is one of the most over rated devices where as the N10 still set the standards for a tablet. And yet to have been beat.
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Ok. The N10 has 2gb ram. Plain and simple.
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1GB available to OS a 1GB is given to graphics.
By all means stop typing and begin looking, pick any method. Here's one in terminal with free command.
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[email protected]:/mnt/shell/emulated/0 # free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 1121716 973484 148232 0 224
-/+ buffers: 973260 148456
Swap: 0 0 0
[email protected]:/mnt/shell/emulated/0 #
So that's 1121716 bytes ~ 1GB.
Scroll back a page and I show an Android screen shot comparing with a OPO's 3GB like-for-like measurement, below is the same free command method.
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[email protected]:/storage/emulated/legacy # free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 2954792 2603164 351628 0 74608
-/+ buffers: 2528556 426236
Swap: 0 0 0
So is that "plain and simple" enough for you, i.e. showing you than you simply pasting from a wiki which lists the physical memory of which half is gone to graphics.....
You have read that the gpu uses shared ram right?
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Leoisright said:
Like I said, the one+one is one of the most over rated devices where as the N10 still set the standards for a tablet. And yet to have been beat.
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The OnePlusOne is indeed hyped, but for its price it is excellent specifications.
Fact.
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You have read that the gpu uses shared ram right?
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Yes, and so 1GB is available for apps.
Scroll up and see like-for-like memory comparisons.
Better yet. Since you like comparing devices that are completely different. Let's compare my msi gaming laptop to the one plus one. Lol
Why do you care so much about comparing a new device to an older tablet? Enough where you felt the need to start a thread pretty much bashing the N10 in a N10 forum? Kind of silly. So much so there really is no need in responding to me because I am done with this thread.
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Leoisright said:
Better yet. Since you like comparing devices that are completely different. Let's compare my msi gaming laptop to the one plus one. Lol
Why do you care so much about comparing a new device to an older tablet? Enough where you felt the need to start a thread pretty much bashing the N10 in a N10 forum? Kind of silly. So much so there really is no need in responding to me because I am done with this thread.
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