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Hello guys, i would like to know the truth, sgs2 vs ip4s in performances wise, ui, gpu and cpu.. Which is better? And which is closest to the future technology? My question is more to performance quality in every aspect as mentioned above.
Samsung Galaxy S2 or iPhone4S?
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You're asking this question in a bad place. Everyone here will simply say SGS2. Not just because it's better, but because we all love it . I'm pretty sure the SGS2 beats the iP4S in every aspect other than screen resolution. Not to mention that you are massively hindered by apple's OS on the iP4S...Unless you think SIRI is a good enough reason for you buy an entirely new phone of course...and I think I heard something about Carrier IQ being on most iPhones? I checked my SGS2 for it and it's clean... I'm using CRR v4.
Im not iphone user, i have 2 sgs2 in my hand, what im going to approach is about the performances since i heard so many things about iphone beat sgs2 in performance wise. My Sgs2 running at 1.8ghz oc, dual boot os, miui and cyanogenmod nightly. and i did several speed test with my friend's ip4s jailbroken, nothing can over my sgs2, but out there, many media said ip4s did better.. Is it just a hoax made by iphone's fan? Or if it is true, do tell me..
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Im not iphone user, i have 2 sgs2 in my hand, what im going to approach is about the performances since i heard so many things about iphone beat sgs2 in performance wise. My Sgs2 running at 1.8ghz oc, dual boot os, miui and cyanogenmod nightly. and i did several speed test with my friend's ip4s jailbroken, nothing can over my sgs2, but out there, many media said ip4s did better.. Is it just a hoax made by iphone's fan? Or if it is true, do tell me..
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IP4s does not have a public jailbreak yet.
In term of hardware only!
Apple iPhone 4S
cpu Dual-core 1 GHz Cortex-A9
GPU PowerVR SGX543MP2
Samsung Galaxy S II
CPU Dual-core 1.2 GHz Cortex-A9
GPU Mali-400MP
SGS2 beat 4S in cpu (same cpu but SGS2 got higher clock)
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4S beat SGS2 in GPU cause PowerVR SGX543MP2 is more powerful than Mali-400MP
BTW,I'm SGS2 user
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In term of hardware only!
Apple iPhone 4S
cpu Dual-core 1 GHz Cortex-A9
GPU PowerVR SGX543MP2
Samsung Galaxy S II
CPU Dual-core 1.2 GHz Cortex-A9
GPU Mali-400MP
SGS2 beat 4S in cpu (same cpu but SGS2 got higher clock)
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4S beat SGS2 in GPU cause PowerVR SGX543MP2 is more powerful than Mali-400MP
BTW,I'm SGS2 user
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Actually its underclocked to 800mhz
neobirdrio said:
Im not iphone user, i have 2 sgs2 in my hand, what im going to approach is about the performances since i heard so many things about iphone beat sgs2 in performance wise. My Sgs2 running at 1.8ghz oc, dual boot os, miui and cyanogenmod nightly. and i did several speed test with my friend's ip4s jailbroken, nothing can over my sgs2, but out there, many media said ip4s did better.. Is it just a hoax made by iphone's fan? Or if it is true, do tell me..
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do you actually need those people opinion? i dont care if other phone outperformance my phone, as long as i love it. i love android especially so any phone is ok as long as its not iphone. give me a quad core iphone and i'll sell it to buy a desktop pc! even dual core(4S) is more than enough actually.
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Actually its underclocked to 800mhz
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Doesn't matter, it still outperforms the GSII in most benchmarks. But, then again the GSII is 6 months old, and doesn't have ICS yet. I suspect that the GSII should be able to beat the iPhone 4S in most benchmarks, especially browser (Sunspider) tests. The iPhone 4S definitely has the most powerful GPU out of any mobile smartphone right now
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Actually its underclocked to 800mhz
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Sorry for my mistake. I forgot that they down clock it for battery life in iPhone but not in iPad.
Im reading all your opinions guys, dont get me wrong, im sgs2 user, i just wanna ask you guys for opinion, which i dont know about.
Thank you.
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Sorry for my mistake. I forgot that they down clock it for battery life in iPhone but not in iPad.
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So thats mean ip4s running at 800mhz.. On iOS5?
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Doesn't matter, it still outperforms the GSII in most benchmarks. But, then again the GSII is 6 months old, and doesn't have ICS yet. I suspect that the GSII should be able to beat the iPhone 4S in most benchmarks, especially browser (Sunspider) tests. The iPhone 4S definitely has the most powerful GPU out of any mobile smartphone right now
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A benchmark like Sunspider tests not only the phone's CPU but also the browser. So Apple's highly optimised Safari can still beat the SGS2 even with a slower CPU. You are benchmarking both the CPU and the browser together, and in the SGS2 the browser is not the speediest one out there. So eventhough it has a quicker CPU, the browser is holding it back in Sunspider.
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So thats mean ip4s running at 800mhz.. On iOS5?
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Yeah only because of ios optimization its fast. Other than that its nothing compared to sgs2.
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Yeah only because of ios optimization its fast. Other than that its nothing compared to sgs2.
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Lol, thanks, your answer made laugh.
"other than that its 'nothing' compared to sgs2"
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A benchmark like Sunspider tests not only the phone's CPU but also the browser. So Apple's highly optimised Safari can still beat the SGS2 even with a slower CPU. You are benchmarking both the CPU and the browser together, and in the SGS2 the browser is not the speediest one out there. So eventhough it has a quicker CPU, the browser is holding it back in Sunspider.
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Seems like you familiar with iphone, is there any other thing that (optimized or standard) that could beat sgs2?
Please describe, i would like to know.
Thanks for your response.
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http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-apple-a5-and-vs-samsung-exynos-4210/
All the information about the iphone4s A5 GPU being more powerful is hogwash. It's a dual core based GPU, while the GPU can support up to 4 cores and is at a higher clock speed.
From a hardware perspective the Galaxy S 2 is superior in every way.
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http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-apple-a5-and-vs-samsung-exynos-4210/
All the information about the iphone4s A5 GPU being more powerful is hogwash. It's a dual core based GPU, while the GPU can support up to 4 cores and is at a higher clock speed.
From a hardware perspective the Galaxy S 2 is superior in every way.
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I'm sure I can find some random website to validate whatever view you want it to. I chose to look at a site like anandtech that looks purely at the facts. The facts are pretty straightforward, the GPU in the A5 chip used by the i4S is currently the best available on any smartphone. http://www.anandtech.com/show/4971/apple-iphone-4s-review-att-verizon/6
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neobirdrio said:
Seems like you familiar with iphone, is there any other thing that (optimized or standard) that could beat sgs2?
Please describe, i would like to know.
Thanks for your response.
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The apps for iOS are much better optimized for the iPhone than Android. iOS currently has no fragmentation to worry about so an app that works on the 3GS should work fine on the i4S. An app that works on my SGS2 probably won't work on my Sensation due to different screen resolutions. IMO apps for iOS are in general more polished when used with iOS.
The biggest difference between the SGS2 and i4S are AOSP and screen size. 4.3 inches looks gigantic compared to 3.5. Open source is always better than closed source IMO.
Both devices are excellent, just depends what you intend on using the device for.
Hmm i4s vs SGS2, i owned both, got an iphone FIRST because i know everyone loves it and everyone has it, so i went with the majority and i must say, woow thse iphone ppl are missing out on simplicity of use of andoid. I ****ING HATE the iphone for the following:
1. Bought a locked phone, had to buy a special sim to activate it. Y MAKE LIFE HARDER??
2. Pain in the ass to unlock it, used gevey. Y?
3. Cant use bluetooth to send data
4. Cant put a custom ringtone in a few easy steps
5. I dont need my phone to tell me what to do. I say: i want a new song. He says: stfu and connect me to itunes because there is NO other way you can do it.
6. Want to sync multiple folders w/pics, you cant. All pics have to be in the same destination.
7. Tiny screen, hate it.
8. Took a picture. Your options are: delete, and send. What happened to: details, crop, rotate left/right.
9. Connect to itunes only at home?? Wtf. (Or did they make it so you can connect to 5 PCs/MACs per phone now?) Even though, you could be at the 6th computer, and then what? You are screwed.
Conclusion: VERY limited capabilities. Maybe there are walk arounds to the things that piss me off, but when i buy a 600$ phone, i dont wanna be sitting for hours and googleing how to do this, and do that. Iphone has icloud imessage siri and all that ****, but honestly, id rather have open sourse over ALL OF THAT ANY DAY!!!
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I'm sure I can find some random website to validate whatever view you want it to. I chose to look at a site like anandtech that looks purely at the facts. The facts are pretty straightforward, the GPU in the A5 chip used by the i4S is currently the best available on any smartphone. http://www.anandtech.com/show/4971/apple-iphone-4s-review-att-verizon/6
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Hmm great find, I'm surprised that the GPU on the 4S would be superior given the fact that Samsung manufactured the A5 chip. One would think that the A5 chip being a month older would be slightly inferior or equal.
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Deniska11 said:
Hmm i4s vs SGS2, i owned both, got an iphone FIRST because i know everyone loves it and everyone has it, so i went with the majority and i must say, woow thse iphone ppl are missing out on simplicity of use of andoid. I ****ING HATE the iphone for the following:
1. Bought a locked phone, had to buy a special sim to activate it. Y MAKE LIFE HARDER??
2. Pain in the ass to unlock it, used gevey. Y?
3. Cant use bluetooth to send data
4. Cant put a custom ringtone in a few easy steps
5. I dont need my phone to tell me what to do. I say: i want a new song. He says: stfu and connect me to itunes because there is NO other way you can do it.
6. Want to sync multiple folders w/pics, you cant. All pics have to be in the same destination.
7. Tiny screen, hate it.
8. Took a picture. Your options are: delete, and send. What happened to: details, crop, rotate left/right.
9. Connect to itunes only at home?? Wtf. (Or did they make it so you can connect to 5 PCs/MACs per phone now?) Even though, you could be at the 6th computer, and then what? You are screwed.
Conclusion: VERY limited capabilities. Maybe there are walk arounds to the things that piss me off, but when i buy a 600$ phone, i dont wanna be sitting for hours and googleing how to do this, and do that. Iphone has icloud imessage siri and all that ****, but honestly, id rather have open sourse over ALL OF THAT ANY DAY!!!
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I agree with this assessment, I played around with an iPhone and was surprised with its sending options when using SMS/MMS, Android has far more options. I don't have a GSII, I have the original Galaxy S, so I know that back when one did a side by side comparison with iphone 4 and Galaxy S, the Galaxy S beat it in every department except screen resolution. I thought that the trend would continue.
neobirdrio said:
Hello guys, i would like to know the truth, sgs2 vs ip4s in performances wise, ui, gpu and cpu.. Which is better? And which is closest to the future technology? My question is more to performance quality in every aspect as mentioned above.
Samsung Galaxy S2 or iPhone4S?
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Hi there.
Today I will swap my SGS2 for an IP4S. Why? Here I say, in order of importance:
1) iPhone camera is better.
2) better or equivalent benchmarks altough SGS2 has better hardware specs (this link elucidates everything http://www.anandtech.com/show/4971/apple-iphone-4s-review-att-verizon/6)
3) 4.3 screen is too big for my hands and the iPhone screen has better resolution+pixel density.
4) better OS design (I don't care about the flexibility of ROM customisation, and the stock aspect from Samsung really sucks, even with another launcher and also other roms)
5) The aluminium/glass handles better the processor overheat than the plastic body from our SGS2.
I am aware the iPhone has also negative aspects compared to SGS2, but the most important aspects (for me) are covered above.
The only area that users of iDevices can really say their devices are undeniably better is gaming.We all know that,and until recently I have to admit I was kinda jealous.I was almost ready to buy an iPad just to play Infinity Blade.Happily I didn't as things are getting better.
Up until recently,the best-looking and closest to console quality games were Dead Space and Asphalt 6.I mean,Angry Birds are nice for making time pass by on the subway,but that's about it.Asphalt 5,NOVA and Modern Combat 2 were so-so,but not nearly enough.Not to mention that NOVA 2 was a disappointment.Graphics were kinda better than NOVA,but gameplay and controls were seriously lacking.GLU games are also somewhat good at the beginning,but are repetitive,they get boring after a while and seriously,I won't spend 50€ in GLU credits as long as my brain serves me well.
Then Modern Combat 3 came out.This was the game I had been waiting about.Graphics,storyline and gameplay-all were awesome.It was the first title that could really claim it was "console quality".Things have got better since,especially with games by Gameloft and EA.Mass Effect is really great too.But my only complaint now is that all these are REALLY short.I ain't the most hardcore gamer,especially on mobile devices,but I finished Mass Effect the day I downloaded it.MC3 may have online mode but bleh,I don't want to sell my house to pay the data bill.Plus when I'm home I have a PC and a PS3,I won't play on my phone normally.
3 days ago NOVA 3 came out.And...OMFG!This is the best-looking game I've ever seen on a mobile device of any kind.And to tell you the truth,I don't think I remember many PS2 games having this kind of graphics.And its gameplay and controls are vastly improved over NOVA 2.It's much closer to MC3 actually.Plus,even MC3 didn't push the hardware to its limits.My Desire HD had no problems playing it with a pretty playable gameplay-it wasn't too noticeable,just not 100% smooth.Not to mention the Galaxy S 2,it didn't break a sweat.But with NOVA 3 things are different.My GS2 struggles to play it properly sometimes.It only plays perfectly if I overclock the GPU,but then it overheats a bit.I won't even bother playing in on the Desire HD and will be waiting for my GS3 to fully enjoy the game in all its glory.I haven't finished it yet-that's a good sign,although I haven't played too much these days.Still,it seems it has some duration and the storyline unfolds nicely.
NOVA 3 is another step in the right direction,after Dead Space,MC3 and Mass Effect.We shall wait and see what Asphalt 7 brings on the table.But what's your opinion,guys and gals?Are things for Android gaming getting better?Will we really enjoy "cosnole-quality" games from now on?The hardware is surely powerful enough to give the opportunity.And most importantly-are the aforementioned games a sign that NVidia's dream of monopolizing gaming on Android won't come true?I sure hope it's like that(I'll avoid buying a Tegra device as long as I have another choice)
The games are still too short and too simplistic. Best game I've played is Anomaly Warzone Earth.
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The games are still too short and too simplistic. Best game I've played is Anomaly Warzone Earth.
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The simplicity of games is slowly being fixed.As I said,games like NOVA 3,MC3 and Mass Effect are really good.Anomaly Warzone Earth is good,and is different than other tower defense games.
The information is very interesting. I like the post.
What I don't like about Android as a gaming platform (ex GS2 user) is the fact that nearly every time a very good looking game comes out it makes your hardware outdated. The example with MC3 is a good one: when it came out it lagged in a very annoying way on my GS2. I guess that as soon as say MC4 comes out it will be too much already for the GS3, and so on. Honestly it doesn't sound fair that I have to upgrade every 6-8 months in order to keep up with the latest games just because of rough ports. I really hope that this is gonna change in the future, also because I'm getting an Android tablet (or phablet, I still have to decide) soon, and I'd be pleased if it served me as a gaming console for more than a few months before it can't handle anymore the latest and greatest incarnation of my favorite game. On iOS people can play MC3 100% smooth on a simple iPhone4, we deserve nothing less as end users IMHO.
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vnvman said:
What I don't like about Android as a gaming platform (ex GS2 user) is the fact that nearly every time a very good looking game comes out it makes your hardware outdated. The example with MC3 is a good one: when it came out it lagged in a very annoying way on my GS2. I guess that as soon as say MC4 comes out it will be too much already for the GS3, and so on. Honestly it doesn't sound fair that I have to upgrade every 6-8 months in order to keep up with the latest games just because of rough ports. I really hope that this is gonna change in the future, also because I'm getting an Android tablet (or phablet, I still have to decide) soon, and I'd be pleased if it served me as a gaming console for more than a few months before it can't handle anymore the latest and greatest incarnation of my favorite game. On iOS people can play MC3 100% smooth on a simple iPhone4, we deserve nothing less as end users IMHO.
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MC3 has some problems on the GS2.As I said,it plays quite well on the Desire HD,so no issue here.Just on the S2 the level where you are on the back of a truck and shoot others is lagging like hell.It's not that the hardware can't handle it,something is just wrong.It even lags on my overclocked device at that point Apart from that it plays perfectly smoothly.
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Yeah, it probably is device related. However, I found that the textures are more detailed on the GS2 compared to other phones: a friend of mine has a Desire S and I must say that textures are worse on that device. This may actually be the cause of the random laggyness you get at times, maybe the developers overestimated the power of the Exynos SOC when they were working on the port...
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Hardware is getting serious. Games will follow suit.
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Glad my SGSII is a beast and makes even 8-bit games look 2D. Lolololol
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Glad my SGSII is a beast and makes even 8-bit games look 2D. Lolololol
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Dunno about you guys,but I saw a trailer of Dead Trigger and I just realized for the 413513122th time that I hate NVidia so,so much...
tolis626 said:
Dunno about you guys,but I saw a trailer of Dead Trigger and I just realized for the 413513122th time that I hate NVidia so,so much...
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Lol
Daily realisation. Those guys aren't serious, that's why AMD got the PS 4. Qualcomm are stomping all over them with adreno.
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Daily realisation. Those guys aren't serious, that's why AMD got the PS 4. Qualcomm are stomping all over them with adreno.
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Right.NVidia's guys act as if their chips are the best you can find.Still,the super-duper-wow all powerful almighty ULP GeForce GPU in the Tegra 3 is a direct competitor to the Galaxy S 2's GPU,not even the Adreno 225!And they get the best games.How ****ed-up is that?I just hope gaming companies realize that NVidia is full of ****.Sony did at least...
Yep. Games such as Nova 3. Fifa 12. Shadow Gun n many more are ramping up android finally
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The only area that users of iDevices can really say their devices are undeniably better is gaming.We all know that,and until recently I have to admit I was kinda jealous.I was almost ready to buy an iPad just to play Infinity Blade.Happily I didn't as things are getting better.
Up until recently,the best-looking and closest to console quality games were Dead Space and Asphalt 6.I mean,Angry Birds are nice for making time pass by on the subway,but that's about it.Asphalt 5,NOVA and Modern Combat 2 were so-so,but not nearly enough.Not to mention that NOVA 2 was a disappointment.Graphics were kinda better than NOVA,but gameplay and controls were seriously lacking.GLU games are also somewhat good at the beginning,but are repetitive,they get boring after a while and seriously,I won't spend 50€ in GLU credits as long as my brain serves me well.
Then Modern Combat 3 came out.This was the game I had been waiting about.Graphics,storyline and gameplay-all were awesome.It was the first title that could really claim it was "console quality".Things have got better since,especially with games by Gameloft and EA.Mass Effect is really great too.But my only complaint now is that all these are REALLY short.I ain't the most hardcore gamer,especially on mobile devices,but I finished Mass Effect the day I downloaded it.MC3 may have online mode but bleh,I don't want to sell my house to pay the data bill.Plus when I'm home I have a PC and a PS3,I won't play on my phone normally.
3 days ago NOVA 3 came out.And...OMFG!This is the best-looking game I've ever seen on a mobile device of any kind.And to tell you the truth,I don't think I remember many PS2 games having this kind of graphics.And its gameplay and controls are vastly improved over NOVA 2.It's much closer to MC3 actually.Plus,even MC3 didn't push the hardware to its limits.My Desire HD had no problems playing it with a pretty playable gameplay-it wasn't too noticeable,just not 100% smooth.Not to mention the Galaxy S 2,it didn't break a sweat.But with NOVA 3 things are different.My GS2 struggles to play it properly sometimes.It only plays perfectly if I overclock the GPU,but then it overheats a bit.I won't even bother playing in on the Desire HD and will be waiting for my GS3 to fully enjoy the game in all its glory.I haven't finished it yet-that's a good sign,although I haven't played too much these days.Still,it seems it has some duration and the storyline unfolds nicely.
NOVA 3 is another step in the right direction,after Dead Space,MC3 and Mass Effect.We shall wait and see what Asphalt 7 brings on the table.But what's your opinion,guys and gals?Are things for Android gaming getting better?Will we really enjoy "cosnole-quality" games from now on?The hardware is surely powerful enough to give the opportunity.And most importantly-are the aforementioned games a sign that NVidia's dream of monopolizing gaming on Android won't come true?I sure hope it's like that(I'll avoid buying a Tegra device as long as I have another choice)
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awesome stuff man the games are getting way better.
you said you overclock your S2 right?
you also said your are waiting for the S3, but doesn't the S3 have the same GPU as the S2? i hear its an overclocked Mali-400 @ 400mhz
the S2 is also a Mali-400 at 286 mhz i think... so what did u overclock your S2's GPU? i really wished Sammy used the Mali-T604 GPU but im still on the fence on getting the S3...yes it does have 2GB of RAM but i still haven't found a Android that can match the GPU power of my iphone4S PowerVRSGX543MP2 that is one badass GPU i love Android and what it stands for... but i have yet to find a device worthy enough to replace my iphone4s , i mainly use it for gaming, i do use a android phone for daily use cause android OS works for me better than IOS but not with gaming... maybe ill wait for the adreno 320 or Mali-T604 or Mali-T628....
Anriod game
I think the andriod game is so good.Easy to learn and play.If we can use the tablet to play games.It will be better.More tab,www。netacce.com
tolis626 said:
Right.NVidia's guys act as if their chips are the best you can find.Still,the super-duper-wow all powerful almighty ULP GeForce GPU in the Tegra 3 is a direct competitor to the Galaxy S 2's GPU,not even the Adreno 225!And they get the best games.How ****ed-up is that?I just hope gaming companies realize that NVidia is full of ****.Sony did at least...
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Yeah,nvidia are just confused. Galaxy note owns everything with a tegra 3 IMHO, has more screen and....arrgh,no games. Samsung try with the game hub,but it's not oomph.
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awesome stuff man the games are getting way better.
you said you overclock your S2 right?
you also said your are waiting for the S3, but doesn't the S3 have the same GPU as the S2? i hear its an overclocked Mali-400 @ 400mhz
the S2 is also a Mali-400 at 286 mhz i think... so what did u overclock your S2's GPU? i really wished Sammy used the Mali-T604 GPU but im still on the fence on getting the S3...yes it does have 2GB of RAM but i still haven't found a Android that can match the GPU power of my iphone4S PowerVRSGX543MP2 that is one badass GPU i love Android and what it stands for... but i have yet to find a device worthy enough to replace my iphone4s , i mainly use it for gaming, i do use a android phone for daily use cause android OS works for me better than IOS but not with gaming... maybe ill wait for the adreno 320 or Mali-T604 or Mali-T628....
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Well,I wished for a better GPU too,but what can we do?
The S3's Mali-MP400 runs at 440MHz,while the S2's GPU runs at 267MHz.Still,the S3 has a quite faster bus,so one could say that an overclocked Mali-MP400 at 400MHz in the S2 is underutilized compared to the S3.
Anyway,the only mobile GPU that can beat the S3's GPU is the iPad 3's GPU.The S3 is miles ahead of the iPhone 4S in GPU power(And everything else in that aspect).However,iOS does have better games-<3 Infinity Blade...
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Yeah,nvidia are just confused. Galaxy note owns everything with a tegra 3 IMHO, has more screen and....arrgh,no games. Samsung try with the game hub,but it's not oomph.
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NVidia are just idiots.They think they'll make much profit from monopolizing Android gaming.However,all that they're managing to do is to make gamers go to iOS.For the time being,all my hopes rest with EA and Gameloft...The others either make crappy games or make them run better(Or only) on Tegra devices.I also hated Madfinger Games.Did you guys see Dead Trigger's trailer?It implies that Tegra 3 is different to Android.Idiots...
I hate that, playing a game especially madfinger ones and the first thing you see is NVIDIA logo. Then you proceed to excellent gameplay only to be hit by some heavy lag(or entire force close) ahead. Really? I want an android game period. Why should I check the innards of my phone everytime a new game is out?
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Well,I wished for a better GPU too,but what can we do?
The S3's Mali-MP400 runs at 440MHz,while the S2's GPU runs at 267MHz.Still,the S3 has a quite faster bus,so one could say that an overclocked Mali-MP400 at 400MHz in the S2 is underutilized compared to the S3.
Anyway,the only mobile GPU that can beat the S3's GPU is the iPad 3's GPU.The S3 is miles ahead of the iPhone 4S in GPU power(And everything else in that aspect).However,iOS does have better games-<3 Infinity Blade...
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yeah your right, the INTL S3 does have a better GPU then my iphone4s , problem is the USA S3 has a adreno 225 GPU.... so ill hold off on getting the S3 untill a phone comes with a adreno 320 or malit604....
I've been playing nova on my htc one x as well as transformer prime, problem is it gets laggy in some areas with full effects chainfire fix (no chainfire means no effects but no lag) however my gs3 plays it fine with chainfire and A 200 quid chinese tablet with dual core rockchip and quad mali400 with chainfire plays it full effects no lag???!!! And to help you understand this the antutu score on chinese tablet is 7560 and all tegra devices are just over 12500 so wtf?! I'm just so annoyed,
All devices running clean rooted ics no mods or tweaks only interactive governor
My nexus 7 plays nova3 with no lag at all...full effects
Plays fine on my prime also. No lag, full effects.
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Plays fine on my prime also. No lag, full effects.
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Don't give us this bull****... Yes it may play without problem but it's not fully smooth. Runs like a 24 fps movie. Hell the loading times are abysmal. Demandarin I respect you for all the work you've done for us and how positive you've been but don't go as far as lying.... I should be able to run this game on my supposed top of the line tablet with a quad core processor without modifying anything at all. Yet I can't. Game experiences on this tablet have been horrible even with Tegra 3 optimized games.
Sorry if I'm coming out strong but I'm damned tired of this. I have to rma my tablet again just to be able to ota update. Really? Really? Can't even unlock for goodness sakes...
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thanks deadlocked, i thought i was going crazy here and ive been reading the forums of other users complaining. without tweaking anything llike going into development settings max 1 process kill all processes is a temp fix but it doesnt work that well, i shouldnt have to do all that, not sure why a cheap chinese tablet can do this yet an expensive tablet with tegra 3 cant get it right?
i respect the recognized developer above but i thought he was winding me up there as a developer of all people should know there are issues
question now is what can be done, why is this issue even here, how do we resolve this
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thanks deadlocked, i thought i was going crazy here and ive been reading the forums of other users complaining. without tweaking anything llike going into development settings max 1 process kill all processes is a temp fix but it doesnt work that well, i shouldnt have to do all that, not sure why a cheap chinese tablet can do this yet an expensive tablet with tegra 3 cant get it right?
i respect the recognized developer above but i thought he was winding me up there as a developer of all people should know there are issues
question now is what can be done, why is this issue even here, how do we resolve this
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He isn't a dev.... & well.. I'll end there.
As for Tegra 3 ULP Geforce GPU (with 8 spectacular cores)... it isn't a powerhouse GPU. It lacks raw power compared to Mali 400 (and basically all other GPUs)... however, it does have those "oozing" special effects that Nvidia patented.
Also, with single I/O memory controller... with the lack of bandwidth being channeled through during GRAPHIC intensive games... it can have some "FPS" issues.
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Don't give us this bull****... Yes it may play without problem but it's not fully smooth. Runs like a 24 fps movie. Hell the loading times are abysmal. Demandarin I respect you for all the work you've done for us and how positive you've been but don't go as far as lying.... I should be able to run this game on my supposed top of the line tablet with a quad core processor without modifying anything at all. Yet I can't. Game experiences on this tablet have been horrible even with Tegra 3 optimized games.
Sorry if I'm coming out strong but I'm damned tired of this. I have to rma my tablet again just to be able to ota update. Really? Really? Can't even unlock for goodness sakes...
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What's to lie about? Nova3 and all other games do play fine on my Nexus 7. The framerate not slow either. Like I said, it plays great on my NEXUS 7. now for Prime, Nova3 seems to like to crash on mines. So as of now, I honestly don't know how it plays on my prime. But I do have it for my Nexus 7. Even with full effects, nexus 7 handles it with ease. Prime has software shortcomings that is likely what you are experiencing. Plus you have to REMEMBER THIS, EVERYONE PRIME BEHAVES DIFFERENTLY. SO IF THE NEXT MAN SAYS THE GAME WORKS FINE ON HIS PRIME, THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE HIS WORD FOR IT. IF YOU DONT, PEOPLE WONT BELIEVE YOU EITHER. JUST LIKE NOT EVERYONE PRIME BEHAVES THE SAME AFTER AN UPDATE.
PEOPLE NEED TO STOP ASSUMING THAT JUST BECAUSE YOUR DEVICE SEEMS to Run the game slower, everyone else's must also. PEOPLE ASSUME TO DAMN MUCH UP HERE. These devices are not all the same, unfortunately.
I have to agee with demandarim. I have a prime with 0 wifi issues, unlike most.. also I have mine rooted and clocked to 1.6ghz, also with no issues at all.. Since alot of people have issues with those I agree that no two prime are 100% equil
And if it runs well on other Tegra3 devices like the Nexus 7 .. Then it might be a issues with the Asus software.
I know were not even on a 3.x.x kernel yet.. we have 2.6.39.4.. even that might be an issue..
There is a lot of reasons youre's might be slow.. You can wait for Asus to release new firmware that might resolve you're issues, or you can load a custom rom, that is useing different firmware for you're hardware that is more based around performance.
Everyone here is willing to take there Desktop PC, load the latest drivers for there screencard or what ever, imagen you had to wait for a new release to update the driver? Like complaining Ubuntu 10.2 is craps compared to Ubuntu 11.1cause it doesn't run well on you're Alienware Desktop.. No.. you update the it... cause it fixes it! So if you would update you're out of the box Desktop for 25 more FPS, then THATS WHY WE BOUGHT ANDROID AND NOT APPEL... cause with a little tweaking its better..
appel is like flying business class.. its just fine.. Android/linux is like flying first class, you just get the bolts and spanner on you way in to fasten your seat.. so with a little tweak is better, or you fail to tighten the bolts, and then you complain on XDA forums
I think you should also remember that your chinese tablet has an 800x480 screen, not 1280x800. That's a HUGE different in pixel count, so a slower/cheaper SOC can easily push 30+ frames a second to that screen.
Its just like all other Gameloft games, they are not optimized at all to run with QuadCores or Tegra3 devices. Order and Chaos has the same issues, it doesn't have mind blowing effects and still runs at 24ish fps. Hell even Asphalt 6 doesn't feel like running at 60 fps. While other games with far, far better graphics run smooth like butter even when connected to the TV.
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I think you should also remember that your chinese tablet has an 800x480 screen, not 1280x800. That's a HUGE different in pixel count, so a slower/cheaper SOC can easily push 30+ frames a second to that screen.
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chinese tabet is 1280x800 so its not any less,
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chinese tabet is 1280x800 so its not any less,
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Really? Which one do you have?
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Really? Which one do you have?
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latest Window N101 it also has a chinese name yuanduo n101 or something like that, for 200 bones its a good deal, capacitive multi touch 10 point ips screen, ics 4.0.4. rooted etc. hd screen and plays 720p files smoothly, not tested 1080p it has a dual core rockchip 3066 and quad core mali 400 gpu tablet itself is really nice, i thought the asus would have have performed better than the cheap chinese one, but obviously not in this case, its probably gameloft being lazy and not optimizing for tegra as all tegra games run really smooth even in high activity scenes, large environments, etc.
still peed off thogh
just figured i'd chime in again (because of the controversy,lol)...
i was running androwook 2.1 with motley's lite kernel, o'ced to 1.8
the last time i checked out NOVA3(actually the only time i played it).
i went through a couple of levels and didn't have any issues on my Prime.
lately, i have been running team EOS Jelly Bean, and benchmarks have been down,
even from stock ROM, so i haven't tried to run it lately.
i have been playing Riptide GP tho, and it is still smokin fast!
Since upgrading to JB and updating Dead Trigger, I have only noticed one hiccup right when loading a level, and then no more lag through the rest of the level. Before the update and on ICS the game lagged like crazy for the first 30 seconds then finally cleared up. I'm not sure which one fixed it, but perhaps you should check out the JB rom as well...
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I have to agee with demandarim. I have a prime with 0 wifi issues, unlike most.. also I have mine rooted and clocked to 1.6ghz, also with no issues at all.. Since alot of people have issues with those I agree that no two prime are 100% equil
And if it runs well on other Tegra3 devices like the Nexus 7 .. Then it might be a issues with the Asus software.
I know were not even on a 3.x.x kernel yet.. we have 2.6.39.4.. even that might be an issue..
There is a lot of reasons youre's might be slow.. You can wait for Asus to release new firmware that might resolve you're issues, or you can load a custom rom, that is useing different firmware for you're hardware that is more based around performance.
Everyone here is willing to take there Desktop PC, load the latest drivers for there screencard or what ever, imagen you had to wait for a new release to update the driver? Like complaining Ubuntu 10.2 is craps compared to Ubuntu 11.1cause it doesn't run well on you're Alienware Desktop.. No.. you update the it... cause it fixes it! So if you would update you're out of the box Desktop for 25 more FPS, then THATS WHY WE BOUGHT ANDROID AND NOT APPEL... cause with a little tweaking its better..
appel is like flying business class.. its just fine.. Android/linux is like flying first class, you just get the bolts and spanner on you way in to fasten your seat.. so with a little tweak is better, or you fail to tighten the bolts, and then you complain on XDA forums
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1. Linux Kernel 3.1.1 vs 2.6.39.4 hardly matters.....
Perhaps you didn't know but Linux Kernel 3+ is really 2.6.40 but Linus Torvald simply renamed it to Linux Kernel 3.0...
The changes between the two kernel is minimal (of course, higher is always better in theory.. but here... it is extremely minimal)
If people want to discuss kernel & drivers..... and need someone to blame for multiple issues we have currently... look towards Nvidia FIRST & Asus 2nd (Asus is customer of Nvidia... and they are binded to their work.. sadly)
2. Tegra 3 SoC... no matter how much.. umm.. someone tells you... IS NOT A POWER SoC. It focuses mainly on battery performance (thus the 4+1 technology)... although.. sadly, it doesn't really perform that well in this category either if you look at smartphone sector (S4 HTC One X > Tegra 3 HTC One X).
Anyways, especially with single I/O memory controller, poor kernel/driver integration by Nvidia & Asus (this is assumption), and not very powerful GPU (yes, in terms of raw power... Tegra 3 is crap compared to other GPUs)..... IT CAN HAVE ISSUES during Graphic Intensive Games. IT CAN... as in... if we take Prime for example.... it behaves very radically from device to device.... thus... some will be unfortunate & some very fortunate.
3. I doubt Google wants Android to be portrayed as "tweaker" device. Google's trying their hardest to appeal to the mass public with Nexus 7..... Btw, all the updates & etc you speak of with Desktop.... going from Ubuntu 10.2 to Ubuntu 11.1 are OFFICIAL support. Custom ROMs are not....
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Don't give us this bull****... Yes it may play without problem but it's not fully smooth. Runs like a 24 fps movie. Hell the loading times are abysmal. Demandarin I respect you for all the work you've done for us and how positive you've been but don't go as far as lying.... I should be able to run this game on my supposed top of the line tablet with a quad core processor without modifying anything at all. Yet I can't. Game experiences on this tablet have been horrible even with Tegra 3 optimized games.
Sorry if I'm coming out strong but I'm damned tired of this. I have to rma my tablet again just to be able to ota update. Really? Really? Can't even unlock for goodness sakes...
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This. I couldnt agree more. I was looking for NOVA 3 lag fixes on my Nexus 7 and came across similar posts stating how smooth the game is. It's not smooth. The frame rate is ****. Seems like all of Gamelofts recent titles, lag to hell on Tegra 3. (Amazing Spiderman, Modern Combat 3, Nova 3). Look at videos of Nova 3 running on the Galaxy S3. Now that is smooth.
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This. I couldnt agree more. I was looking for NOVA 3 lag fixes on my Nexus 7 and came across similar posts stating how smooth the game is. It's not smooth. The frame rate is ****. Seems like all of Gamelofts recent titles, lag to hell on Tegra 3. (Amazing Spiderman, Modern Combat 3, Nova 3). Look at videos of Nova 3 running on the Galaxy S3. Now that is smooth.
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Yup they all lag on my N7 and Prime, although there is some hope: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1780587 hopefully its true they are working on optimizations for the Tegra 3 platform.
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My nexus 7 plays nova3 with no lag at all...full effects
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Dude that is b.s.No offence.you can't install chainfire3D,hence no full effects.TEGRA 3 DOES NOT GET FULL EFFECTS ON NOVA 3.You don't see fire and smoke on the building at the right side in the first level, before you jump off the building you crashed into.Secondly it does lag very badly especially in multiplayer,I am on 620mhz GPU overclock with 1.6ghz CPU with smoothrom 4.1 android 4.1.2
I don't know about Nova 3, but I have to agree that Wild Blood for example is not smooth at all on my Prime.
Backstab on the other hand seems much smoother.
I'll try Nova 3 and let you know. ( Using Latest Energy Rom).
Yes I am noob, but I would like to learn more, so here I am, long time looker, joining the ranks. I tried searching but all I found was 2-3 year old stuff or non specific answers.
*Edit* CRAP SORRY, saw that questions shouldn't be posted in general. Such a noob move sorry...
I am currently loading old school gaming roms on my phone and soon to be tablet. Years ago I had n64 roms and they were laggy, I figured years later they would run without a hitch, not so much.
Here is what I am running.
Verizon Droid RAZR HD
Micro SD (class 4) 32GB
Snapdragon S4 MSM8960
CPU 1.5 GHz dual-core Krait
GPU Adreno 225
Memory 1GB Dual-channel, 500 MHz LPDDR2 RAM
I am running the standard vanilla rom so it's stock with Verizons bloatware, so I now a bit of lag could rest there.
I am looking to buy a cheaper android tablet that will run Ps1/N64 games without a hitch if possible. I guess what I am wondering is what controls ROM's lag, is it the GPU? Memory? Processor? The ROM/Program itself? I am wondering what hardware (if any) runs these without major issues.
Thanks a ton guys, very happy to help join the ranks. If I missed a thread that covers this please point me in the right direction!
Bump please
Guess I'll try again
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I guess what I am wondering is what controls ROM's lag, is it the GPU? Memory? Processor? The ROM/Program itself? I am wondering what hardware (if any) runs these without major issues.
Thanks a ton guys, very happy to help join the ranks. If I missed a thread that covers this please point me in the right direction!
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In all honesty it is a combination of all the factors you mentioned above. Because mobile processors work on a SoC (System on a Chip) design model if you have a weak CPU all the others components on the chip such as RAM and GPU will be weak as well, likewise a strong CPU will most often be coupled with powerful components increasing performance. That being said emulating games is mainly GPU and some CPU intensive of a task. Also the ROM app itself can be a major factor because the games are not being run on there native optimized hardware (Such as the N64) game performance can surfer, a poorly optimized game emulator will lead to poor playback of emulated games. As far as hardware that runs these without issue my Galaxy S3 and Nexus 10 have ran whatever emulator ROM I throw at them. Also keep in mind some game ROMs just don't work or are poorly optimized so no matter what emulator or hardware you have they will have problems with lag.
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In all honesty it is a combination of all the factors you mentioned above. Because mobile processors work on a SoC (System on a Chip) design model if you have a weak CPU all the others components on the chip such as RAM and GPU will be weak as well, likewise a strong CPU will most often be coupled with powerful components increasing performance. That being said emulating games is mainly GPU and some CPU intensive of a task. Also the ROM app itself can be a major factor because the games are not being run on there native optimized hardware (Such as the N64) game performance can surfer, a poorly optimized game emulator will lead to poor playback of emulated games. As far as hardware that runs these without issue my Galaxy S3 and Nexus 10 have ran whatever emulator ROM I throw at them. Also keep in mind some game ROMs just don't work or are poorly optimized so no matter what emulator or hardware you have they will have problems with lag.
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Wish I could give you more props for answering that, thanks a ton!!
A few follows ups. Isn't my Razr HD pretty close to the same specs as your S3 (short of yours has 2GB of ram) or now are we talking about the fact that I have the stock bloatware of Verizon?
So something like a Tegra 3 would work perfectly fine correct?
Your last sentence makes me worried. For instance it seems like Golden Eye, Super Smash Bros and Final Final Fantasy 7 all seem to hit small short lag spikes with audio and the N64s hit preformance spikes. It's subtle but enough to be annoying.
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Wish I could give you more props for answering that, thanks a ton!!
A few follows ups. Isn't my Razr HD pretty close to the same specs as your S3 (short of yours has 2GB of ram) or now are we talking about the fact that I have the stock bloatware of Verizon?
So something like a Tegra 3 would work perfectly fine correct?
Your last sentence makes me worried. For instance it seems like Golden Eye, Super Smash Bros and Final Final Fantasy 7 all seem to hit small short lag spikes with audio and the N64s hit preformance spikes. It's subtle but enough to be annoying.
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You are correct the Razr HD is very close in specs to the US version of my Galaxy S3 apart from the 2GB or RAM, the 2GB of RAM can help performance but won't cause a massive difference in performance. Additionally the Verizon bloat will chew up resources and depending on what other applications you have running the background can take away resources from the emulator. In general carrier bloatware will slow down the entire device making it seem sluggish. Since you mentioned you were looking to get a cheaper Android tablet to play emulated games on I would definitely check out the Nexus 7, it has good gaming performance for emulated games and gaming performance in general. And like I said previously some games will always just lag or have jumps in the audio and can be annoying unfortunately that part of the problem with playing emulated games.
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You are correct the Razr HD is very close in specs to the US version of my Galaxy S3 apart from the 2GB or RAM, the 2GB of RAM can help performance but won't cause a massive difference in performance. Additionally the Verizon bloat will chew up resources and depending on what other applications you have running the background can take away resources from the emulator. In general carrier bloatware will slow down the entire device making it seem sluggish. Since you mentioned you were looking to get a cheaper Android tablet to play emulated games on I would definitely check out the Nexus 7, it has good gaming performance for emulated games and gaming performance in general. And like I said previously some games will always just lag or have jumps in the audio and can be annoying unfortunately that part of the problem with playing emulated games.
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You sir are a pro, I think I am going to buy the Acer Iconia 7 A110, it has a Tergra 3 just like the Nexus and is on sale refurbed at Walmart for 140.0
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Acer-Icon...an-Operating-System-Gray-Refurbished/23662167
Millni6 said:
You sir are a pro, I think I am going to buy the Acer Iconia 10.1 A210, it has a Tergra 3 just like the Nexus and is on sale refurbed at Walmart for 180.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Acer-Icon...13700444333861315661&affillinktype=10&veh=aff
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Thank you for the compliment and that is defiantly a good choice, my only piece of advice when buying devices refurbished is ask them if you can try the exact device your gonna buy before you pay for it. I have known several people who have bought refurbished electronics from stores where the guarantee said the device was fully working but when they got home it either didn't power on or something else didn't function properly.
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Thank you for the compliment and that is defiantly a good choice, my only piece of advice when buying devices refurbished is ask them if you can try the exact device your gonna buy before you pay for it. I have known several people who have bought refurbished electronics from stores where the guarantee said the device was fully working but when they got home it either didn't power on or something else didn't function properly.
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Yup for sure, they have a 15 day return period, so for whatever reason it does not work, I'll return it. I also saw an Amazon review where they were talking about n64/ps1 roms seems to me like the guy got them to work without any lag issues.
Compared to other Snapdragon S4 Pro phones like the Nexus 4, Sony Xperia Z, and others, why is gaming performance and graphics benchmarking performance extremely slow compared to the scores on apps and games like Asphalt 8, 3DMark, and the newly released Anomaly 2 Benchmark? On Asphalt 8, sometimes my fps can dip all the way to 15 or so, on 3DMark I ran the offscreen "Unlimited" test and got over 6000 while the Nexus 4 got near 11k. I ran the Anomaly 2 Benchmark last night and got a bronze score on high of like 120k, and I was reading how everyone's HTC One and Nexus 4 were getting close to or over 200k. I understand the HTC One has a Snapdragon 600, and that the nexus 4 has a 720p screen in comparison to the DNA's 1080p, but from the looks of it, Asphalt 8 renders in 720p, and the 3DMark Unlimited test is off screen, so it directly tests the chipset. Does anyone have any explanation as to why the DNA performs the way it does? According to the 3DMark leaderboards, it has the second worst average Adreno 320 GPU score. Not to mention, the Droid Ultra has a WORSE chipset than the DNA's yet it gets a significantly higher 3DMark score?..
Also, if it helps, I'm running pio_masaki's CARBONrom build 9.23 Android 4.3 and using crpalmer's 4.3.3 kernel.
Thanks to any help and explanation!
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Compared to other Snapdragon S4 Pro phones like the Nexus 4, Sony Xperia Z, and others, why is gaming performance and graphics benchmarking performance extremely slow compared to the scores on apps and games like Asphalt 8, 3DMark, and the newly released Anomaly 2 Benchmark? On Asphalt 8, sometimes my fps can dip all the way to 15 or so, on 3DMark I ran the offscreen "Unlimited" test and got over 6000 while the Nexus 4 got near 11k. I ran the Anomaly 2 Benchmark last night and got a bronze score on high of like 120k, and I was reading how everyone's HTC One and Nexus 4 were getting close to or over 200k. I understand the HTC One has a Snapdragon 600, and that the nexus 4 has a 720p screen in comparison to the DNA's 1080p, but from the looks of it, Asphalt 8 renders in 720p, and the 3DMark Unlimited test is off screen, so it directly tests the chipset. Does anyone have any explanation as to why the DNA performs the way it does? According to the 3DMark leaderboards, it has the second worst average Adreno 320 GPU score.
Also, if it helps, I'm running pio_masaki's CARBONrom build 9.23 Android 4.3 and using crpalmer's 4.3.3 kernel.
Thanks to any help and explanation!
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What are the scores ( that mean nothing ) on other roms and also when the phone is running the stock VZW rom?
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What are the scores ( that mean nothing ) on other roms and also when the phone is running the stock VZW rom?
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Ive only ran 3DMark when I was on stock ROM, considering A8 and the A2 Benchmark weren't out then, and on the Extreme test on 3DMark I used to always hit 5.9k or below, now I get about 61xx. On other ROMs, especially the NOS M7 port, or any M7 port for that matter, I always got way worse performance through both gaming and benchmarks.
I thought the 2013 Droids and the Moto X had a modified S4 Pro chip? Not necessarily worse, but tweaked? That could explain the performance boost, as I believe it outperforms the S4 and HTC One's Snapdragon 600.
I would suspect actual gaming performance would take a hit because of the screen, but I cannot give a reason behind the offscreen benchmarks, as I do not know how they test the chip.
You brought up the Nexus 4 a lot (as I assume you have owned it), but what are numbers like on the Z or Optimus G?
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I thought the 2013 Droids and the Moto X had a modified S4 Pro chip? Not necessarily worse, but tweaked? That could explain the performance boost, as I believe it outperforms the S4 and HTC One's Snapdragon 600.
I would suspect actual gaming performance would take a hit because of the screen, but I cannot give a reason behind the offscreen benchmarks, as I do not know how they test the chip.
You brought up the Nexus 4 a lot (as I assume you have owned it), but what are numbers like on the Z or Optimus G?
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I've never owned a nexus 4, but I have seen many videos and results of it outperforming the DNA when it comes to gaming. The LG Optimus G performs lower in every benchmark in 3DMark compared to the DNA, while the Xperia Z performs faster in comparison to the DNA.
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I've never owned a nexus 4, but I have seen many videos and results of it outperforming the DNA when it comes to gaming. The LG Optimus G performs lower in every benchmark in 3DMark compared to the DNA, while the Xperia Z performs faster in comparison to the DNA.
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1080p vs 720p displays.
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1080p vs 720p displays.
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I'm sure there is a more in depth reason than that considering the Optimus G has a quad core processor w/ an Adreno 320, while the Droid Ultra has the same setup except with a dual core, and it performances nearly twice as fast than the OG in 3DMark. Both have 720p displays.
Slow?
I've owned the DNA since launch (a launch model and a replacement w/ the Verizon update pre-installed). My original was rooted with S-OFF. My current is stock. I have never heard the word slow and the Droid DNA in the same sentence. I have a 2013 Nexus 7, which I believe is also a S4 Pro, and when comparing the two, my Nexus has has more non responsive moments than my phone. My DNA has been a champ for close to a year now. The only drawback is battery life, but that's not the topic of this conversation.
You mention benchmarks are low on the DNA but does the phone feel slow? I'm also on Carbon with crpalmers kernel and although the benchmarks are lower than stock it feels so snappy and responsive, that's why I don't put much weight on benchmark scores..
You also mention slow gaming performance but didn't explain if this is based on benchmarks or actual experience.
He did mention lower framerates on Asphalt 8.
I think he's mainly concerned about gaming performance, as we now have some fairly demanding games on the market. I don't play games on my phone, so I can't really give any examples of my experience...
Otherwise, regardless of benchmark numbers, I think 2012+ phones have such advanced internals that day-to-day basic usage of the device will be fine.
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You mention benchmarks are low on the DNA but does the phone feel slow? I'm also on Carbon with crpalmers kernel and although the benchmarks are lower than stock it feels so snappy and responsive, that's why I don't put much weight on benchmark scores..
You also mention slow gaming performance but didn't explain if this is based on benchmarks or actual experience.
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Games like Asphalt 8, I can understand having a drop to a lower framerate, however, even when playing Dead Trigger on High on my current kernel and ROM setup, when turning the camera, I experience immense framerate drops, to even like, 11 or so. I honestly don't understand why the DNA is so under performing. I do a lot of gaming on my DNA, and early benchmarks when the phone was first released revealed better scores than the Nexus 4, but now it seems like the exact opposite. I can't even keep a decent frame rate on Real Racing 3.
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I'm sure there is a more in depth reason than that considering the Optimus G has a quad core processor w/ an Adreno 320, while the Droid Ultra has the same setup except with a dual core, and it performances nearly twice as fast than the OG in 3DMark. Both have 720p displays.
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The amount of cores really does not matter unless you're using a bunch of intensive programs at once. Most of the time you're only using 1 or 2 cores.
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The amount of cores really does not matter unless you're using a bunch of intensive programs at once. Most of the time you're only using 1 or 2 cores.
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You're failing to understand my point here. My main question in this thread is, if all these devices use the exact same GPU, and most of them, the exact same chipset, why do the Adreno 320s in phones like the Nexus 4, the Xperia Z, Droid Ultra, how do those outperform the GPU in the DNA by so much? Even in real world performance. In real racing 3, a nexus 4 can get like a good average 30 FPS, on my DNA, I'm lucky to see FPS Meter hit 30 once.
I don't know why you're mentioning the nexus 4 as having better benchmarks, the n4 tends to get pretty low scores with everything due to thermal throttling. Also, look at the benchmarks for the 2013 n7, they're also on the low side for an s4 pro.
Edit: never mind, I see you already addressed that.
As far as real world performance with gaming and such, I think it's a combination of the 1080p screen and the fact that sense is resource intensive. Also I think most s4 pros are clocked at 1.7 instead of 1.5 like us, don't quote me on that though.
On aosp Roms the problem is that we don't get to use the proprietary drivers that HTC does. Kind of like using Linux's open source graphics drivers vs proprietary and or nvidia ones. I haven't had very good gaming performance on any aosp ROM, especially the 4.3 ones.
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I don't know why you're mentioning the nexus 4 as having better benchmarks, the n4 tends to get pretty low scores with everything due to thermal throttling. Also, look at the benchmarks for the 2013 n7, they're also on the low side for an s4 pro.
Edit: never mind, I see you already addressed that.
As far as real world performance with gaming and such, I think it's a combination of the 1080p screen and the fact that sense is resource intensive. Also I think most s4 pros are clocked at 1.7 instead of 1.5 like us, don't quote me on that though.
On aosp Roms the problem is that we don't get to use the proprietary drivers that HTC does. Kind of like using Linux's open source graphics drivers vs proprietary and or nvidia ones. I haven't had very good gaming performance on any aosp ROM, especially the 4.3 ones.
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This is the type of information I'm talking about. I don't know more about Android other than flashing zips, but I never knew that we're basically running off of a generic driver. It's literally about the same as me installing a new GPU in my desktop and running off of Microsoft's OEM display driver? If so, how much better would gaming be if the upcoming HTC One Dev Edition 4.3 update was ported to the DNA as a flashable rom? I did notice that the NOS HTC One GE rom on 4.2.2 had a lot better performance than all other 4.2.2 roms. If the HTC One Google Edition's 4.3 was ported to the DNA, it'd be running off of Qualcomm proprietary drivers? If so, I absolutely cannot wait.
Yeah, it's kind of similar to that. Obviously the devs tailor to the specific device as best they can but the fact is that with the majority of phones AOSP roms will have lower performance in a lot of situations and there will be some features that will never work, such as HDMI on the GS3 for the reason I just stated. So it's kind of just a trade-off of whether you want buttery smooth performance or infinite customizability. I've been running NOS's GPE rom with Beastmode the past few days and the gaming performance is awesome, and yes it is running off HTC's proprietary drivers as will 4.3. I'll end up switching back to a CM-based rom though sooner or later though, nothing beats the customization... I really wish we could dual boot these things.
I hope I'm not spreading false information here, I'm not a developer, this is just my understanding of it through various things I've read on the subject.
jamiethemorris said:
Yeah, it's kind of similar to that. Obviously the devs tailor to the specific device as best they can but the fact is that with the majority of phones AOSP roms will have lower performance in a lot of situations and there will be some features that will never work, such as HDMI on the GS3 for the reason I just stated. So it's kind of just a trade-off of whether you want buttery smooth performance or infinite customizability. I've been running NOS's GPE rom with Beastmode the past few days and the gaming performance is awesome, and yes it is running off HTC's proprietary drivers as will 4.3. I'll end up switching back to a CM-based rom though sooner or later though, nothing beats the customization... I really wish we could dual boot these things.
I hope I'm not spreading false information here, I'm not a developer, this is just my understanding of it through various things I've read on the subject.
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Huh..NOS GPE w/ Beastmode? I tried that kernel, only on pure M7 ports though, and gaming performance was absolutely awful. I'll try your setup, I'll report back to see how it is.
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Huh..NOS GPE w/ Beastmode? I tried that kernel, only on pure M7 ports though, and gaming performance was absolutely awful. I'll try your setup, I'll report back to see how it is.
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Well... I might not be as much of a phone gamer as you so YMMV. I mostly use my PC and my nexus 7 for that.
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jamiethemorris said:
Well... I might not be as much of a phone gamer as you so YMMV. I mostly use my PC and my nexus 7 for that.
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On 3DMark, my scores are higher than the average for any device with an Adreno 320 GPU, on all three tests Thanks dude, I absolutely cannot wait for a 4.3 update!
Performance: Maxed out
Extreme: 7369
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resolution has alot to do with graphic performance. Using a high resolution can have a big toll on a graphic chip and thats true with any kind of computer, tablet or smartphone. the reason the Droid ultra and Nexus 4 run smoother in games because the resolution is lower. Simple as that. Dont know about the Xperia Z. 720 vs 1080p. Thats a 25% increase in resolution. It wont be appearant on most games but on high gpu powered games you will start to notice fps drops.