can anybody tell me major advantages of having honeycomb 3.2 except for better stylus support? (i dont hav a stylus)
beacause reading forums i found out following disadvantages of it....
1. hardware buttons gone (not a big one n its a +ve one saves a little bit of battery)
2. honey bar consumes space on screen (can be a lot annoying while gaming or reading)
3. many apps that people pruchased for GB are not working on HC(particularly games)
so should we upgrade for what benifits? should i stick to GB or i am missing something?
please help if i am wrong anywhere....
Multitasking better
Can fit more widgets and shortcuts on each screen
Better gmail app
Can run honeycomb only apps
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with GB flyer is USB client.... with HC will it giv USB host support?
I'll throw in my $.02 I guess. I used Honeycomb for about 24 hours. I had an Acer Iconia Tab for a day before I got my View, and to be honest HC was a big part of why I returned it. I'd never used HC before & I went into the experience with an open mind but ended up absolutely hating it. It kept slowing down, the taskbar was annoying(the buttons are too small & easy to miss), I didn't like how it forces you into landscape mode in many apps(I'm a diehard portrait girl), and I just didn't like the new menu structures or really anything about it honestly. I don't get the hype at all, I never once found myself thinking "Wow, this is so much better than gingerbread!" and if Sprint tries to push a HC update to my View I'm gonna decline it.
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3. many apps that people pruchased for GB are not working on HC(particularly games)
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Does anybody know where one can find a list of apps that work for GB, but not HC?
HC is faster and smoother than GB. The user interfaces are better integrated, not like a clunky big ass phone. The notification bar is far more useful. Everything just looks cleaner . I'd never consider going back to GB.
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I'll throw in my $.02 I guess. I used Honeycomb for about 24 hours. I had an Acer Iconia Tab for a day before I got my View, and to be honest HC was a big part of why I returned it. I'd never used HC before & I went into the experience with an open mind but ended up absolutely hating it. It kept slowing down, the taskbar was annoying(the buttons are too small & easy to miss), I didn't like how it forces you into landscape mode in many apps(I'm a diehard portrait girl), and I just didn't like the new menu structures or really anything about it honestly. I don't get the hype at all, I never once found myself thinking "Wow, this is so much better than gingerbread!" and if Sprint tries to push a HC update to my View I'm gonna decline it.
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Even on GB there are applications that will force you to landscape mode. Even if you have your rotation locked. Often this is because it simply works better this way. Mostly I've seen this though, is with games...
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I'd never consider going back to GB.
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it was a totally smooth and logical transition for me...over the weekend i will be trying to theme my GB phone to look like HC
Personal preference. I went to HC, can't see a reason to go back
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i guess it will still b USB client....in HC
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i guess it will still b USB client....in HC
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It's there and if it's not working in the stock ROM we now have kernel source and can recompile a kernel with that support included.
I heard from some people on the forum saying that HC on view is "sluggish." I am wondering if any early adopters can post their experience with HC on flyer/view.
Thanks
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I heard from some people on the forum saying that HC on view is "sluggish." I am wondering if any early adopters can post their experience with HC on flyer/view.
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Not true at all in my experience. Honeycomb flies on my View. Much smoother than Gingerbread.
Its smoooooooooooooth like honey, no crumbs like gingerbread. No complaints at all.
And what's about whatsapp? And phone mode mod? Can I use flyer like phone with HC?
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I heard from some people on the forum saying that HC on view is "sluggish."
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no way, it's fantastic...looks good, works perfectly in my opinion
not a big point...but a valid one... that screen still cant move 4 ways.... only two sides available with HC as well....
cant wait to use other app that takes advantage of the pen
In my personal opinion, HC is a slight improvement on GB with regards to the UI but saying that, I've reverted to GB for these reasons....
1, certain apps need to be adjusted for screen use as HC is not optimised for 7" screens. Google earth loses its lookaround and zoom buttons, PocketCloud loses its keyboard/mouse selection bar and BBC iPlayer does not work at all because of the lack of embedded flash.
2, the menu bar is really annoying when playing full screen videos and games. It causes either a modification to the aspect ratio of the image or worse (as in the app cases above) a loss of lower screen functions.
Until the app developers mod their packages (and some may not) and a method of auto-hide real full screen usage is added by HTC, then I'm staying with GB.
I use the pen often for business and manage reasonably well without the extra integration.
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2, the menu bar is really annoying when playing full screen videos and games. It causes either a modification to the aspect ratio of the image or worse (as in the app cases above) a loss of lower screen functions.
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I agree with this.
I don't really want to get into aesthetics because it's very subjective, but there were a lot of functional things I liked about GB/Sense that are now gone:
1. full-screen widgets
2. the soft (off-screen) buttons
3. the "menu" button that, when on the home screen, showed some useful shortcuts (like task manager)
4. the permanent shortcuts on the bottom of the screen (obviously conflicts with the new Honeycomb bar)
I was excited for Honeycomb because of its newness but honestly I think the GB implementation on the View was pretty great, actually; it was more suited to the smaller screen. I haven't noticed a difference in performance (it was never an issue) either way.
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Hi,
I'm curious to understand from those playing with the Honeycomb ROM, what improvements does it bring the Flyer, especially from the HTC side please?
Additionally, is there any 'improvements' regarding the 'physical' buttons and their locations depending on the screen layout (landscape / portrait). I mean there are times when in landscape that I'd prefer the buttons to have remained on the side, rather than have followed to the bottom of the screen. Just wondering if HTC had listened and provided this type of functionality (I say listened, because several of the reviews after launch also mentioned something similar).
Thanks
Iain
I believe the buttons stop working as Honeycomb has a bottom software menu.
I would also like to see performance results compared to Gingerbread as far as doing day to day tasks, email, playing vids, games, etc..
Hc
So i can confirm that the Hardware Buttons aren't Working but i think with hc u got real multitasking And u got more apps And icons on Ur homescreens..that's what i'm Feeling better with hc..
You also had real multitasking and Gingerbread.
The Honeycomb version is just better for a device with that screen size, I find.
But it's only a beta version, so there are still some bugs..
Mt
In gb u hadn't real Mt..some apps were running in the background but the switcher between the Apps was missing.in hc u got at the Bottom the switcher And the apps are starting at the Same Point u Left it.in gb firefox for Example Started in Most cases from New again...
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So i can confirm that the Hardware Buttons aren't Working
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I wonder is this will be the case in the final HTC release. Seems a crazy decision to me to include the buttons in the design of the Flyer,and then not use them.,especially as there would be associated costs to have included them.
HTC have said from the beginning that Flyer would get an upgrade to Honeycomb, and I doubt that it wasn't aware of Google's plans regarding the soft buttons.
I realise that some will perhaps answer that Gingerbread needed the buttons, but given the Sense overly I'd have thought there could have been a software solution.
Of course, it could be as simple that Honeycomb is an after thought - Development of Flyer was so far advanced by the time Honeycomb concepts were available from Google (even privately). That the design was hardware design was locked down?.
End of ramble!
Iain
I haven't messed with Honeycomb really, but I'm not sure I'd want to give up the hardware buttons. An option to enable/disable them would be great actually.
I actually love not having the hardware buttons. I thought it would be annoying to me but I find that the on screen back, home, and menu buttons are much more convenient.
And I haven't even run into any bugs yet.
Doesn't having the hc softbuttons on the screen reduce the screen real estate and we end up with less display space?
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Doesn't having the hc softbuttons on the screen reduce the screen real estate and we end up with less display space?
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Yeah one of the reason HC IS better on Bigger Tablets.
What's remarkable is that not only does the Flyer have hardware buttons, they did an impressive job engineering them to rotate with the device.
Personally I prefer hardware buttons. I would prefer even more physical clickable buttons that you can't accidentally activate by just swiping your hand by them. Google's all-software buttons in HC reverse one of Android's main advantages -- hardware buttons.
I know the main leak wasn't, but I'm wondering if anyone has any recommendations on a Honeycomb ROM that's suitable for everyday use? This waiting game is getting really tiresome.
It depends on what you need to be working. All of the HC ROMs have issues with the camera in most apps other than the stock camera app and some issues with the mail widget not updating. Most other functions seem to be pretty solid and the interface looks a lot nicer. Since Google never released the source code for HC the 3rd party developers have no way to fix the bugs and we have to wait for HTC to drop another leak or final release.
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I know the main leak wasn't, but I'm wondering if anyone has any recommendations on a Honeycomb ROM that's suitable for everyday use? This waiting game is getting really tiresome.
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The question is if you can live with the issues in the leak or not. They are not so big that you can't use it daily. I have it installed since the leak came out and happy with it. Never thought to go back...
For what it's worth....
It's just an operating system. It's like saying "I can't wait until I get Window 7 over Win XP". After the initial installation, and few minutes of "wow, that's cool" it's no big deal.
I had Honeycomb 3.1 on my GTablet and my girlfriend had an Motorola Xoom and it too had HC. IMHO the HTC Flyer is way better with Gingerbread than those with HC.
Just my opinion.
I don't think HC is going to give you any added functionality. If you use your tab for email, movies, web surfing, etc., then just stick to what you have.
Thanks all. Mostly I am looking at the tablet enabled apps, especially swype. But I don't know if I wanna put up with much broken, especially the camera which I actually do use. Thanks for your thoughts.
imp, swype is quite a hassle to use on tablets. Check out thumb keyboard. https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.keyboardplus&hl=en
I want to know if the pen functionality really impressive within all applications on honeycomb? Or is it just like another capasitive pen on other tablets because lack of pressure sensitivity? Can you feel the difference?
I've been using the Jetstream for about a week now (and I have about a week left to return if I choose to). I've been noticing that the Jetstream does tend to be pretty slow at times (most of the time). With the hardware that's in this tablet, it should be a complete beast.
I also have an HTC Flyer running Honeycomb and it is visibly faster than the Jetstream.
Does anyone have any recommendations/solutions for speeding up the Jetstream? Is it just sluggish from HTC Sense and AT&T bloatware?
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I've been using the Jetstream for about a week now (and I have about a week left to return if I choose to). I've been noticing that the Jetstream does tend to be pretty slow at times (most of the time). With the hardware that's in this tablet, it should be a complete beast.
I also have an HTC Flyer running Honeycomb and it is visibly faster than the Jetstream.
Does anyone have any recommendations/solutions for speeding up the Jetstream? Is it just sluggish from HTC Sense and AT&T bloatware?
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Until this thing gets rooted, really not much you can do. You can disable animations in "Display" settings, take the flip clock weather widget off the screen, but even still the processor is way underclock and the scheduler seem to be aiming more towards battery save than speed. We need root to change all of that and really unleash this thing.
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Until this thing gets rooted, really not much you can do. You can disable animations in "Display" settings, take the flip clock weather widget off the screen, but even still the processor is way underclock and the scheduler seem to be aiming more towards battery save than speed. We need root to change all of that and really unleash this thing.
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That's what I figured, but thought I would ask what people were doing to help. Thanks for the suggestions. I've disabled the animations already and will remove the flipclock as well.
I've been reading the developer section, but rooting seems far off if it happens at all.
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I also have an HTC Flyer running Honeycomb and it is visibly faster than the Jetstream.
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rooted flyer then custom honeycomb or flyer got honeycomb already? bcuz mine didn't OTA yet!
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That's what I figured, but thought I would ask what people were doing to help. Thanks for the suggestions. I've disabled the animations already and will remove the flipclock as well.
I've been reading the developer section, but rooting seems far off if it happens at all.
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Two devs working on root as we speak... but contrary to all of my best judgement, I put advanced task killer on the tablet and am able to maintain speed. Seems like with the way this tablet functions items sit open in the background forever. every so often I go in and kill everything or you can also create some automation.
better jetstream
Once root is is obtainable, I would like for someone to make a thread about how to get the most out of the Jestream with root. (Complete 32gb hdd access, better app background performance management, etc etc)
Would anyone volunteer?
Can anyone give any feedback on the performance of the Honeycomb update (official). I'm not interested in custom roms, unless they are close to stock.
I had the original Xoom and Honeycomb ran like crap on it. It was laggy and generally performed poorly. This, after two wipes. When the official update does come out, I'm debating staying on Gingerbread simply because it runs well. Considering that the Xoom had a dual-core processor, I'm wondering if performance will be even worse on the Flyer. Although it would be bad even if it was "as good" as it was on the Xoom.
this will come down to opinion. Having ran both I choose honeycomb. There is not real noticeable speed increase or dectease. No additional lag or anything I see. You lose the use of your hard buttons and have a honeycomb bar on the bottom of the screen. This can be removed if rooted using honeybar, but I would only do this if watching video and or playing video games. Honeycomb is better suited for tablets in my opinion. There are apps that make better use of the device, the homescreens are better configured due to widget sizing.
Coming from a phone with gingerbread when I got my Flyer I felt like, this is nice but it is just a large phone. Honeycomb makes it feel like a different device. If you need to make calls, or can not deal with the screen being shrunk a little, stick with gingerbread.
All roms out there for honeycomb are basically stock, or stock slightly tweaked under the hood. They all look exactly like stock less maybe a battery mod on one rom
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this will come down to opinion. Having ran both I choose honeycomb. There is not real noticeable speed increase or dectease. No additional lag or anything I see. You lose the use of your hard buttons and have a honeycomb bar on the bottom of the screen. This can be removed if rooted using honeybar, but I would only do this if watching video and or playing video games. Honeycomb is better suited for tablets in my opinion. There are apps that make better use of the device, the homescreens are better configured due to widget sizing.
Coming from a phone with gingerbread when I got my Flyer I felt like, this is nice but it is just a large phone. Honeycomb makes it feel like a different device. If you need to make calls, or can not deal with the screen being shrunk a little, stick with gingerbread.
All roms out there for honeycomb are basically stock, or stock slightly tweaked under the hood. They all look exactly like stock less maybe a battery mod on one rom
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Thanks, dude! I actually don't mind the Gingerbread version on the Flyer because HTC made so many tablet-like optimizations to it. I have seen that the pen is much more utilized in the Honeycomb version, which is a plus. My main concern was performance. My experience with the Xoom left a bad taste in my mouth. I had horrible memory leak issues, crashing, and generally bad performance. Gingerbread runs well, so I don't want to go back down that road.
Flyer was/is my first honeycomb device and I thought hc would be much buggier. It's pretty solid, so I tend to believe htc did a good job polishing it.
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Been on it for 2 days.
Hc makes much better use of the pen and tablet optimized gapps are a huge plus.
I haven't noticed any downside to making the jump so far. Some have reported wifi problems, but I haven't experienced that.
I loaded HC on my dad's Flyer and I can say that flash video performs much better on HC than it does on my GB View.
The Flyer can stream 720p from youtube and play Amazon prime video just fine but my GB View is limited to 480p from youtube and struggles with SD video from Amazon prime.
Subjectively, I find HC MUCH smoother and more pleasant to use than GB - the screen transitions are just silky smooth here, where they were notchy in GB. There are more apps I can use now, but some (e.g. Dolphin Browser, My Country) don't work anymore.
You do get a feeling that the bar is better suited for larger screens, and that you should be able to hide it. But I can sure live with it.
Haven't noticed any difference in raw speed, but the honeycomb os has features that make it easier to use and therefore faster to perform functions. Eg more shortcuts or widgets per screen, better gmail app, great task manager for easy multi tasking, and many more
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I know this question had been raised many times, just wanted to get/share a decent statistical view/review about Flyer-HC and Flyer-GB..
The Basic Qurstion Would Be:
Why HoneyComb ?
-Is it faster ?
-Is it more stable ?
-Does it have better application/game compatibility ? <-----Doubt this {Gameloft Stuff/Skyscape/Medical Apps}
-Does it look more eyecandy ? <-----Doubt this
Thanks for sharing your opinion
Speed difference is subjective
Personally I think honeycomb fits a tablet better. The ui is more suitable. If you are not willing to root I can see how some do not like the honeycomb bar. Honeycomb apps make better use of screen.
With LeeDroids tireless work, honeybar or honey hide, and LeeDroids tweaks apk, you get the best of all worlds.
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I know this question had been raised many times, just wanted to get/share a decent statistical view/review about Flyer-HC and Flyer-GB..
The Basic Qurstion Would Be:
Why HoneyComb ?
-Is it faster ?
-Is it more stable ?
-Does it have better application/game compatibility ? <-----Doubt this {Gameloft Stuff/Skyscape/Medical Apps}
-Does it look more eyecandy ? <-----Doubt this
Thanks for sharing your opinion
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To hell with all of that.
HC is closer to ICS.
And in all seriousness, way to have an unbias poll.
Compatibililty: Every single app that worked on my Flyer with Gingerbread works on my Flyer with Honeycomb. I have yet to find an app that Honecomb broke, and that includes games.
Speed: If anything, Honeycomb feels faster than Gingerbread, but the difference is minimal.
Eye Candy: there's not a huge differnce either way, though my Flyer with Honeycomb still feels fresh to me and feels very polished.
Stability: after the last Gingerbread security update, Sense would frequently crash on me. not so with honeycomb.
Expanded capabilities: The pen now works in all applications. Yeah!
Fixes: Arrow keys now map correctly on a bluetooth keyboard when the Flyer is propped up in landscape mode.
Why HoneyComb ?
-Is it faster...everything works and feels smoother to me
-Is it more stable...was never unstable and still isn't
-Does it have better application/game compatibility? never had had compatibility, still don't
-Does it look more eyecandy? yes, definitely...GB on the flyer made it look like a big ugly phone...HC is a heaps better user experience and makes more sense
I prefer Honeycomb, as it offers a better tablet experience than Gingerbread, which is a phone based interface.
Why HoneyComb ?
@jaguaralani maybe it would be better if you ask the reason they used HC instead of GB on Flyer or vise versa.
Main Reason : added pen functionality! SketchBook! lately start using it on Quill. awesome experience.
Application compatibility : HC - i can use Whatsapp Messenger, which is not possible on stock GB.
what about battery life comparism? i haven't notice on GB, but on Lee's HC ROM it stay around 5~6 hours with wifi + 3G and moderate usage.
It really boils down to GB is a phone OS, and HC is a Tab OS. Aside from app compatibility (which falls on app devs, not the OS itself) I vote HC hands down. For all functionality & looks.
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No comparison two different worlds.
Now I wish the walls could be torn down between Operating systems and treat them as apps running on a much more capable device so we could choose what we would like to run.
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I was running Honeycomb since the day the OTA came to the UK (so a few months now), but last weekend I decided I'd had enough and downgraded. Though it was a slightly harrowing experience, I'm very glad I did...
I very much dislike the updates that have been made to the Sense apps in honeycomb. Having text on each button rather than just the icon looks ugly on such a small screen and swallows precious real-estate. The browser is almost unusable in landscape mode because of this, and there's no option to hide the toolbar!
Lack of a real full-screen mode in Honeycomb really hurts the Flyer imo. 1024x600 is already quite a narrow aspect ratio and isn't particularly high-res. To reduce the vertical resolution by 32 pixels (I think that's the size of the shortcut bar), with no way of opting out is too annoying. It really badly affects games and video watching.
Though the frame-rate on the launcher is generally a bit better in Honeycomb, it reloaded a lot more often and would often pause for noticeable periods - more so than the launcher in Gingerbread. I also don't like how the Sense widgets have shrunk - the big full-screen widgets are one of the things I really like on the Flyer.
So all in all, playing games, browsing and watching videos are all worse for me on Honeycomb. Given these are the three things I do on the Flyer the most, I have to say it's Gingerbread for me... I miss some of the updated tablet apps and the improved performance (in some scenarios at least), but it doesn't outweigh all that's wrong with it either.
I really hope if/when ICS comes out, that they revert to the phone-style layout with hardware keys and a smaller, drag-down panel. It'd be nice if they could enable that interface with tablet apps, but I'd pick a big android phone over a tiny android tablet any day.
It really comes down to whether you like a tablet experience or a big phone. No offense to GB lovers but go play with the EVO 3D and then the Flyer running GB, similar feel.
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All I know is that I wish I never accepted the OTA Honeycomb update. My Flyer has been slow and buggy every since. Browser crashes a lot, flash hangs. Never used to happen on Gingerbread. Issues persist, even with custom ROMs. Can't even downgrade, due to newer HBOOT that is unsupported by revolutionary. I'm just hoping ICS clears things up.
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All I know is that I wish I never accepted the OTA Honeycomb update. My Flyer has been slow and buggy every since. Browser crashes a lot, flash hangs. Never used to happen on Gingerbread. Issues persist, even with custom ROMs. Can't even downgrade, due to newer HBOOT that is unsupported by revolutionary. I'm just hoping ICS clears things up.
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your issues are not common and to me would indicate an issue other than HC. and I believe if your Hnoot is supported by HTC Dev Unlock you should be able to roll back
FWIW, i rooted and installed the HC OTA on my View yesterday, adn i love it 10x more..to the poster who said GB makes it seem like a big ugly phone, you're so right. the screen is NOWHERE near as nice as my rezound, and it literally just seemed like a giant rezound..so i put HC on it, and damn, everything just looks so much cooler! i love the tablet UI much more.
for that LeeDroid tweaks, is that only on the flyer, or can i use that stuff on my View too?
Put HC on it last night and ended up playing with it for 3 hours after and I am paying for that now! Sooo tired.
Anyway, it is definitely a different experience then GB and makes it feel a lot different then my phone. Sense widgets are a little weird and the use of screen real estate for the launcher is questionable but I like it better right now. Need more time to play though.
The big question is will the wife like it. It is mainly her tablet and she hates change! I am expecting a lot of screaming to come out of her today of how much she hates it and I need to put GB back because she doesn't know how to do anything on HC. Will give you the follow-up report. She hasn't even seen it yet
Neither...
Both have their advantages and both have their disadvantages.
Overall, I think I prefer Honeycomb on my View. I am on stock. I like being able to use the pen more. I like the way the widgets work on the homescreens. The bottom bar mostly doesn't bother me, as I think more apps will build in support for dimming it. Since ther used to be a notification bar on top, I don't think the loss of screen real estate is that big of a deal.
Some issues I have had are that I seem to get more system force closes, but not enough to be bothersome. The stock browser crashes a lot, but I use Dolphin now, so no big deal. The keyboard is sometimes glitchy when editing text.
My other family members have elected to stay on GB because they like the capacitive buttons and don't care as much about being able to use the pen.
HC gives a more natural UI experience when used in landscape mode, with the bar at the bottom. Easier to reach, in a more natural way, in my opinion.
I've rooted GB to have phone function. Obviously GB for me since HC cannot have phone function.
Also, as previous HC user, I find HC not stable. Probably its stable now. But I'm not willing to take the risk and lose my phone function.
Phone has already been added by LeeDroid in his latest honeycomb Rom.
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