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Well.... It has happened again... I get an OTA and the ish talking starts bout me holding back the "community"... So again I'm going to release the file I have... This time will be a little different though. I stated VERY clearly in the radio thread what I was doing and the fact that this OTA WILL NOT FLASH nor will anyone know wtf to do with it.... No one listened and instead ran their necks so F it.... Once you realize that there are several hundred .p patch files that will need to be applied to individual files, in succession, through 5 builds, then figuring out what kind of patches they are to begin with, then figuring out you need a specific binary to apply them, one you cant get, your on the right track.... Good luck with that... I'm sorry about this but honestly I'm tired of working on a device I don't even use, for days and days, with pneumonia mind you, for people to talk ish and complain about what I am doing. So I'm gonna leave it in the hands of the "well wishers" and let them take care of this for you guys... To those that havent *****ed, I apologize, but I'm pretty fed up with the amount of ignorance around here... So anyways, heres your OTA... Have fun with it and I will stop back by with an "I told you so" every now and then.... CR
Froyo Espresso OTA
lol im glad i have an epic. i just wanted to see what you were talking about in your twitter feed
People are still saying you're holding back from the community? Yeah, they're definitely ignorant. :/ I wasn't exactly around when this stuff was going on before, but I was lurking and even then it was pretty dumb.
Sorry that it has to happen this way, CR! Thank you for the work you've contributed thus far and all the great gifts you come bearing when you stop by.(Like this latest radio).
Well thanks to everyone who whines and *****es... a true dev comes along to help and you find a way to make him leave haha.. thanks CR for the work and trying mate. Good thing I'm getting new G2 on Tuesday
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This is really sad... damn ungrateful people...
Thanks for everything CR
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Well, I managed to update to this using some secret sauce, but I have now permanently lost root and S-OFF. Exploid and Rage Against the Cage-based exploits DO NOT WORK on this version of the kernel (2.6.32.29) included in this OTA.
On the plus side it does have USB/Wifi tethering built-in, so my need for root has dramatically decreased.
Just stick with whatever you have now until a new exploit comes out for >= 2.6.32.29, but don't hold your breath since it's unlikely ANY time soon.
:/ it is sad....at least you gave us the radio! And actually tried to patch the files! Thanks for all the work....hope you come back!
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There is a quick and simple solution to this problem and I think that most will agre that it is for the better of the community.\
First call these people out by name, post their PM's if any publicly
Then have their accounts suspended for no less than 30 days.
How dare someone make a statement like that, We got what 1 maybe 2 developers left with this device? Are you flipping kidding me? You asses are sitting there complaining about how the development on this device is dead, yet when someone has something, and is working n something you jump the freaking gun with stupid ill thought out comments.
So now it up to you lil ^itches that think you know everything to develop for this device. You wanted what he had released so freaking bad. So lets see what ya got... Hell there is no reason why you should not be able to crank out a working ROM with what he released by the of the day today.... I mean hell if you can't then YOU held back development of this phone.
XDA needs to do something about this.
The whole 10 post rule is BS. It does nothing
I think it needs to become a pay to play forum
I know thats not how it SHOULD be, and that it
COULD hinder development. but I DOUBT it.
Personally.....
CR your work is awesome, I appreciate it very much. Thank you for what you have done,
to the ^itches.... Thanks now I gotta go buy a new damn phone, that developers want to work on. Hopefully you are broke ass kids and cant afford a new one and will stay here and die with this forum, and phone. After all you started this...
Wow CR this sux that people's ignorance has to stop us from getting froyo finally with flash possibilities. This sux...
Thanks Chief for all the hard work. I thought your last update was the best rom and didn't have any problems. I guess its time to upgrade.
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I am pretty sure I know who it was... If you read through the RADIO thread there are 2 or 3 that were practically begging for the files he had.
I wont call them out myself being that I DONT FOR SURE KNOW. but if you read through there you could possibly figure it out. I am not encouraging anything, but I am sure a few people around here know of a few ways that will have their ISP shut them down for a day or so....
atlmatt said:
There is a quick and simple solution to this problem and I think that most will agre that it is for the better of the community.\
First call these people out by name, post their PM's if any publicly
Then have their accounts suspended for no less than 30 days.
How dare someone make a statement like that, We got what 1 maybe 2 developers left with this device? Are you flipping kidding me? You asses are sitting there complaining about how the development on this device is dead, yet when someone has something, and is working n something you jump the freaking gun with stupid ill thought out comments.
So now it up to you lil ^itches that think you know everything to develop for this device. You wanted what he had released so freaking bad. So lets see what ya got... Hell there is no reason why you should not be able to crank out a working ROM with what he released by the of the day today.... I mean hell if you can't then YOU held back development of this phone.
XDA needs to do something about this.
The whole 10 post rule is BS. It does nothing
I think it needs to become a pay to play forum
I know thats not how it SHOULD be, and that it
COULD hinder development. but I DOUBT it.
Personally.....
CR your work is awesome, I appreciate it very much. Thank you for what you have done,
to the ^itches.... Thanks now I gotta go buy a new damn phone, that developers want to work on. Hopefully you are broke ass kids and cant afford a new one and will stay here and die with this forum, and phone. After all you started this...
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you took the words right out my mouth
Chief wasn't the only one being bugged about the files. I've got a crap load of PMs and tweets asking me for the ota. I'm doing my best to provide CR with the files he needs to get this working for you guys. Hell, I don't even have a slide. Did I have to contact Chief letting him in on the file? Nope. If you guys would have waited a day or 2, you probably would have had a working OTA. But no, you had to keep *****ing to me and CR.
Chief, if you still want the files, hit me up on G and ill grab them.
Krylon360™
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Most of the people who wanted to see this zip released are not at all interested in actually running this rom. In fact, the more interesting bits are the sdio and tiwlan files that we might be able to fix the still-borked wifi in CM7.
Chiefz: nobody intended to give you ****, but there is absolute truth in the saying that many hands make light work. The more people looking at this, the more likely it is that it can be put to good use. The folks in #mytouchslide will be putting lots of eyes on this to see what outstanding issues we might be able to fix.
Thank you for releasing this and I'm sorry if you felt people were hassling you.
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Chief wasn't the only one being bugged about the files. I've got a crap load of PMs and tweets asking me for the ota. I'm doing my best to provide CR with the files he needs to get this working for you guys. Hell, I don't even have a slide. Did I have to contact Chief letting him in on the file? Nope. If you guys would have waited a day or 2, you probably would have had a working OTA. But no, you had to keep *****ing to me and CR.
Chief, if you still want the files, hit me up on G and ill grab them.
Krylon360™
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Thanks for the great help mate and as to CR if you read this hopefully you can understand that there is more good apples than the bad ones mate. Thanks either way with the final choice you make!
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Chiefz, don't listen to those noobs. You do a great job here and we all appreciate you as a hard working person that always brings good stuff to the forum and as a very good friend no matter what you do.
Thanks for all
Damn whiny 12 year olds.. you can't escape their wrath!!
2.2.1 Rooted OTA..u will be missed.
i personally think this was a good move to shut the people up that dont know what they are doing (like myself, (-) the talking crap part). but now that you have made your point chiefz, you should really continue your work. you would have the praise of the community!
No this was not a good move. It has left so many of without any hope of ever making our phones just that much cooler, that much better...
I am pissed off to the point I am shopping for a new phone today
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that sucks, but i don't blame you. thanks for everything, mang.
It's been a crazy 2 years.
Some of us have already moved on to other devices(me2! ), and some still live here. Some of you , have no idea who I am xD. Most of your upgrades should be soon. (in fact mine is this month) The eris was my first android phone, my door to a magically mystical place I had never been before. While there was a lot of drama, we were able to get root, ***** the device, OC it , and build custom roms. In fact, I was the first person to ever have a rooted Eris(thanks Caboose!) and make the first custom rom for it. I have evolved greatly from these days, and I can always thank my Eris for guiding me the way. If any Evil Eris supporters are still here, thank you so much, I cannot say(or type) the words to show how appreciative I am of you guys. I am now much involved in the Droid X scene. Anywho, I hope you guys enjoyed the phone as much as I did, tell me when your upgrade is, and what you plan to get!
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It's been a crazy 2 years.
Some of us have already moved on to other devices(me2! ), and some still live here. Some of you , have no idea who I am xD. Most of your upgrades should be soon. (in fact mine is this month) The eris was my first android phone, my door to a magically mystical place I had never been before. While there was a lot of drama, we were able to get root, ***** the device, OC it , and build custom roms. In fact, I was the first person to ever have a rooted Eris(thanks Caboose!) and make the first custom rom for it. I have evolved greatly from these days, and I can always thank my Eris for guiding me the way. If any Evil Eris supporters are still here, thank you so much, I cannot say(or type) the words to show how appreciative I am of you guys. I am now much involved in the Droid X scene. Anywho, I hope you guys enjoyed the phone as much as I did, tell me when your upgrade is, and what you plan to get!
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Now there's a blast from the past. Thanks for everything you've done here with the Eris EE was the first ROM I used and used it for quite some time. My upgrade is due the end of Nov. Currently I still have my original Eris which my wife now uses (finally talked her into moving away from her Blackberry ) and I'm now on the DInc1 until my upgrade time. My next phone will probably be either DInc2 or Vigor. Still waiting to see come Nov/Dec.
Hey Framework43, good to see you posting here again in the Eris forums .
Been a while since I've seen you, Eclips3, jcase, jamezelle, GrdLock, etc. post over here, but I know you guys are still around, here and there.
I've still got my Eris, but I've been using my Droid X as my day-to-day phone since launch day of last year.
I love my X, but I can't let go of the Eris and still tinker with it as much as time allows.
Still waiting to hear about the next big device to come out, but I really want to make sure that we've got a good dev community behind it and an unlocked bootloader would certainly help in that respect. I think we're all hoping (probably foolishly) that the Bionic might be/get unlocked...(I did see last night that the Photon has been unlocked--although not necessarily by Moto).
Anyway, good to see you here again.
Cheers!
My upgrade is September 19. I will probably get the cheapest of the X2, Dinc2, or Tbolt.
I don't want to get a brand new phone for two reasons: 1) I am cheap, and 2) I want a phone already supported by XDA. If you guys have a suggestion concerning another phone I should consider or why I shouldn't consider one of the above let me know. My only restriction is it must be HTC or Moto. I don't want to learn another vendor interface. Did I mention I'm lazy as well as cheap?
The Eris I got for free when my wife got her Droid. I'd like to pay close to that for my next one. She's headed for a Droid3.
I've got until next March before I upgrade. I bought my Eris used several months ago because work agreed to pay for our data plans, and it was the only one I could buy for a decent price (my current phone was a Samsung Hue). I'm sure I'll only have a certain amount of funds to pay for my phone at upgrade time, so maybe the T-bolt or other good 4g phone will be free by then.
LOL - I bought my Eris on drop day, so I'm already eligible for an upgrade.
I had the same "dumb" feature phone for - get this - 5 years before that.
I've been using computers continously since 1976 and can no longer remember how many deskside and laptop computers have passed through my hands, so I don't get all that excited about the prospects of getting "the latest and greatest" any more. Are the new phones that much better? Sure they are.
Having said that though, I will also admit: the little Eris is the coolest device I've ever owned. Maybe not the "best of the bunch" at the time - but that didn't matter to me: I wanted it for its form factor. If I wait a while, the next phone I buy will probably make the same impression on me, rather than just being "a little bit better"... and I won't be married to any carrier at that time.
I'm glad we had the group of devs we did; not every android phone gets the same degree of attention.
The whole time I owned the Eris, my phone kept getting better, thanks to Framework and all the other devs. Pretty awesome that nearly 2 years later, I'm running GB on a phone that shipped as a Cupcake device.
bftb0
Framework43 said:
It's been a crazy 2 years.
Some of us have already moved on to other devices(me2! ), and some still live here. Some of you , have no idea who I am xD. Most of your upgrades should be soon. (in fact mine is this month) The eris was my first android phone, my door to a magically mystical place I had never been before. While there was a lot of drama, we were able to get root, ***** the device, OC it , and build custom roms. In fact, I was the first person to ever have a rooted Eris(thanks Caboose!) and make the first custom rom for it. I have evolved greatly from these days, and I can always thank my Eris for guiding me the way. If any Evil Eris supporters are still here, thank you so much, I cannot say(or type) the words to show how appreciative I am of you guys. I am now much involved in the Droid X scene. Anywho, I hope you guys enjoyed the phone as much as I did, tell me when your upgrade is, and what you plan to get!
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Evil Eris was also the first ROM I ever used. One of my favorites.
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Me3, or 4; Evil Eris was the first custom ROM I flashed on my Eris, too. I was late to the Eris game, but in a way just in time as just about the time my Eris shipped to me, 2.1 OTA was rooted, so by the time I received mine I had researched a lot, already knew how to root it and had decided on what I was going to try first. Thank you, FrameWork43 (it's funny, the second time I used EarthLink as an ISP they still had my original email address reserved - [email protected], so I chose roirrawedoreht43, either because 42 was already taken or because it was the answer to life, the universe, and everything +1), and to everyone else who has made my phone so tinkerable.
I'm not with Verizon any more, I'm with PagePlus and I love the savings. I do plan on paying retail for some phone hopefully within the next year, but we shall see. I know that no matter how powerful my next phone is when stock, that I still won't accept any that can't be rooted because I love to make things do things they're not supposed to be able to do!!!
Got my Eris the day they came out (v1.5) and now that I have Condemned CM7 V17 rooted....I'm gonna keep it another two or three years. Thank You CondemnedSoul.
By the way...your "Noobie video" scared the he!! out of me
Unfortunately I'm moving away from the Photon, so will be discontinuing the guides. I'll poke my head in once and awhile and update any pertinent info. Time to pass on the torch...someone should begin another and request it stickied.
I enjoyed the MoPho...but one month after release it's way too quiet in here for me. I crave flashing goodness...and hear only crickets. I will be picking up the SGSII when it hits, and look forward to seeing some of you over there!
Thanks to Yay, Edgan, Kenneth, DCour, Baller, Mikey and others that have taken a stab at this great phone!
Good luck on your next phone. For me I am pretty pleased with how well this phone works stock. The two things I wanted in particular (root and webtop) were achieved amazingly quickly. While I look forward to a sexy fast custom rom with all the bells and whistles (and rock solid stability). I can wait for that, I am more then satisfied that the Photon has lived up to the hype. It's the first time a smart phone has done that for me.
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Bandage said:
Unfortunately I'm moving away from the Photon, so will be discontinuing the guides. I'll poke my head in once and awhile and update any pertinent info. Time to pass on the torch...someone should begin another and request it stickied.
I enjoyed the MoPho...but one month after release it's way too quiet in here for me. I crave flashing goodness...and hear only crickets. I will be picking up the SGSII when it hits, and look forward to seeing some of you over there!
Thanks to Yay, Edgan, Kenneth, DCour, Baller, Mikey and others that have taken a stab at this great phone!
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Damn man sucks to see you go. You will be missed. You still in your 30 days? How you going to get the SGSII, just pay full price? Anyways, hope all is well with that phone and I know they will have some great guides over there ;-) Good luck!
-DJ
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Damn man sucks to see you go. You will be missed. You still in your 30 days? How you going to get the SGSII, just pay full price? Anyways, hope all is well with that phone and I know they will have some great guides over there ;-) Good luck!
-DJ
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Yeah today was last day of 30 days...so I cancelled the line, started a new one with a Nexus S on it, and will swap for the SGSII when it comes along (rumor is 9/9/2011).
Thanks for the kind words DJ!!
Bandage said:
Yeah today was last day of 30 days...so I cancelled the line, started a new one with a Nexus S on it, and will swap for the SGSII when it comes along (rumor is 9/9/2011).
Thanks for the kind words DJ!!
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You know that you are allowed to switch it out 3 times which resets your 30 days every time right? guess its too late now but yes you are allowed to do that. That's what I did. they just swap you out a new photon and reset your 30 days. lol I loved it. Does help to have a good guy at sprint to deal with also
But like I said bud, good luck and you are very welcome.
I may do the same thing. I have my girl and her mom on my account I may just give my girl the Photon and use her mom's upgrade on the SGSII. Will see how it goes first though. Really like the Photon, it has a **** ton of potential! Really too bad Motorola can't get their head out of their ass and realize that's what keeps a majority of us around.
Take care o/
-DJ
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This is rather disappointing. It's only quiet in here because the phone is still so young, bootloader was only recently unlocked. As soon as all the hardcore HTC fans start to realize this phone blows both Evo's out of the water, this place will be booming. Even if not, we have some very talented developers making feature rich stable roms. I was a flashaholic as well, but especially on phones such as the Evo well over half of the roms are just plain rubbish and aren't worth flashing. I'd hate to see that happen to the Photon and then deal with all of the people complaining that the phone doesn't work when they just loaded up half-functional software ripped from quality roms by a 12 year old.
Either way, hopefully you'll come back to this phone when we learn what major flaw the latest/greatest Samsung has. I gave up on them after all of their Android devices had major recurring defects, ones that I still see today in my tech centers. Moment/Intercept/Transform had way too little internal memory and the processor wore out quickly. Epic/Captivate/Vibrant all had borked GPS and suffered from random locking up/reboots. Nexus S 4G has terrible signal quality and terrible battery life. Replenish has been their worst yet, charging port shorts out causing it to say it's charging when it isn't and has gotten so hot that I've actually seen them brought in with melted LCD panels and it burnt the customer upon picking it up. I don't know how Samsung has avoided a lawsuit on that one. As for myself, I will not be picking up another Samsung device regardless of how amazing the specs look on paper. They can't seem to get their products fully functional.
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I agree completely. I was just looking at the SGS2 reviews and whatnot for the last hour or so. I honestly think the photon already has beat it. I remember my first Samsung phone from ATT, I forget what it was even called actually. I'm sure I could look it up but it was like almost a smartphone. I mean it was, but there was no market or anything and it was just what it was.
I will be staying here unless there is just no action moving forward. But I don't see that happening because like you said this is a great phone and we have only begun to unlock the powers it has, I cannot wait to see numbers when we have a proper kernel source and a proper kernel made for us. Stock my phone has hit over 2500 in Quadrant and I know other people have gotten higher. In Linpack it is hitting higher than some of the highest numbers ever recorded for linpack. So I really can't wait to see what this thing has when it is fully unleashed! It still is just the beginning.
-DJ
the sgs2 will be an amazing phone. shame i didnt catch ya in time >.> i have a nexus and trying to get a photon
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the sgs2 will be an amazing phone. shame i didnt catch ya in time >.> i have a nexus and trying to get a photon
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Amazing maybe, better than the Photon I would have to disagree there.
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Bandage said:
Unfortunately I'm moving away from the Photon, so will be discontinuing the guides. I'll poke my head in once and awhile and update any pertinent info. Time to pass on the torch...someone should begin another and request it stickied.
I enjoyed the MoPho...but one month after release it's way too quiet in here for me. I crave flashing goodness...and hear only crickets. I will be picking up the SGSII when it hits, and look forward to seeing some of you over there!
Thanks to Yay, Edgan, Kenneth, DCour, Baller, Mikey and others that have taken a stab at this great phone!
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Thanks for your contribution to the Photon. Enjoy whatever device you end up with.
A single member messaged me and made me feel so much better. Still stopping development until next week but, now its just to take time for myself and my family. thanks (you should know who you are.)
Dude don't worry. Take your time off and get everything a-ok.
Everyone already is highly appreciative of all the hard work you have put in and thanks you for your efforts. You are all kinds of awesome for the dev efforts you have put in on this new and tricky device.
So thank you and hope to see you again soon. (And btw, thanks to all the other devs who have put in such awesome effort on the NT )
I love you nick, despite what others say about you I think ur cool
Indirect,
I wish you solace from whatever is hurting you. I'm a noob who has been combing this forum for a solid week in anticipation of getting a nook tablet. I can see that you make great contributions here (and I'm sure elsewhere). Thank you for everything you and the other devs do. Hope things get better soon.
Women always stifling progress. lol.
It’s always a shame when one loses a long-time companion and friend. But in life, one door closes and another one opens.
Here are some unpublished country western songs to amuse you while you both recover.
“I hate every bone in her body but mine.”
“It’s hard to kiss the lips at night that chewed my ass out all day long.”
“If I can’t be #1 in your life, then #2 on you.”
“If the phone don’t ring, you’ll know it’s me.”
“I still miss you baby but my aim is getting better.”
“I’m so miserable without you that it’s like you’re still here.”
“If I’d shot you when I wanted to, I’d be out of prison by now.”
“She got the ring and I got the finger.”
“You’re the reason our kids are so ugly.”
“While I was out getting hammered, she was home getting nailed.”
“She left me and took the dog. Boy I sure do miss him.”
Don't worry about it dude, things'll pass and you'll be OK. Thanks for all your work, it's much appreciated.
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What? On the 23rd? Right before Christmas? That's terribly heartless of the other person. So sorry
Take time off, Indirect! *shakes fist and disconnects Indirect's neural-net interface* And eat lots of pie.
Sorry to hear about your situation! Best wishes, and thanks so much for all you do!
Don't be sorry
Dude, you've done so much for this community. Your real life has to come first. Get your head straight then come on back.
I volunteer for four different groups right now. If I didn't have the option of holding out the yellow flag on the field every now and then when life got tough, I woulda quit them all and moved to Montana a long time ago.
Dude, it's all good. Take time for yourself and know that you are appreciated here for all the work you have done.
Take your time man and heal, thanks for all the hard work you've put into helping us noobs And as someone already said earlier - one door closes and another one opens - completely true!
It may suck but it is very understandable that you need a break.
It's very important to have balance in your life, My real life is in management and all the crap that goes along with it, then toss in a bunch of women bull****. Personally I use XDA as my own personal escape(as a user not a dev that's a whole different ballgame).
To me it's a whole different world devoid of the crap that the real world has, filled with amazing things that are only a flash away.
A single member messaged me and made me feel so much better. Still stopping development until next week but, now its just to take time for myself and my family. thanks (you should know who you are.)
Have a wonderful Christmas
Take the time you need we'll all still be here when ya get back :}
Merry Christmas!
Family is more important than everything else, thats a fact. Take your time, clear your head, we will be here when you come back, thats for sure!
Thank you so much for all you do for the community.
Not sure what happened, but everyone is right. You are well within your rights for a break. Thanks for all your hard work, man.
Its times like these I like to repeat a quote I heard a long time ago:
"Never take life too seriously, nobody ever gets out alive.."
Hope whatever it is that ales you goes away quickly. This time of the year has always been hard on me as I've lost several loved ones. It still hurts but I've had to just learn to deal with it. I also just had my new daughter just arrive on Wednesday so good things come as well.
I hope you get a chance to forget about us, your problems, and just enjoy the spirit of the time of year. Have fun!
I hope moderators will keep their attention away from this thread.
This is in loving memory to a great man. Ashley (Ashclepdia) Hanna. A great person and friend. We met right here on this forum in this section years ago. He got me into modding and being part of the Droid X2 Universe. He always helped anyone out on here no matter how stupid the issue. Eclipse Rom was his life. He loved this forum and modding his X2 more then anything.
Ashclepdia (Ash) past away on July 20th 2017.
He will always be missed.
Take care bro.
Mod: I request this be stickied if possible as tribute to him.
Yo Ripley
Believe it or not bro still got mine and pristine on the dock running his work I need to do a little homework . Got to release this bloated battery before yeah bad things and I'd love to turn it into my desk clock. Such memories,
Salute, all respects...
Ps. My first stock phone since this forum began is the Z2 play on Verizon and I've never hated a phone more my entire life it is the worst piece of indescribable and I won't even go into my attempts. Good thing I give very little for it bad thing is unfortunately I'm not able to better acquisition for now, it's just heartbreaking. Of course silly for me but still heartbreaking nonetheless even sickening... Just owning this thing well maybe the first time I bricked the X2 lol after all it was my first of first of first with much love. hopefully not the last ,excluding the Z2 play on Verizon it will be the last for me of its kind with Verizon and maybe Moto. Of course I'personal opinions and preferences.