From my research and browsing, there has been a consensus that Cerberus is the best app for lost phone, coming with a slew of useful features.
I am just wondering if there are any apps that I may have overlooked that may be as good/better? I've considered Prey, Lookout, McAfee, Where's My Droid, TheftWare, SeekDroid, AntiDroidTheft.
The only app that looks as good or better than Cerberus is AndroidLost, but I haven't found any reviews or much about it around the web.
Thoughts? Is Cerberus the best? Is AndroidLost comparable?
Here you go: AndroidLost review.
And to my mind, two most major cons about AndroidLost are: ability to easily uninstall app and app's unresistance to the wipe. If I'd choose, I'd pick up Cerberus.
I use Prey
I released an app called PhoneLeash earlier this month (also see announcement).
I call it an app for the "misplaced" phone. It has your GPS locating and remote ringing, but not the bulletproof "stop thief" features of the apps mentioned here. Instead it has a decent set of features to help make use of the phone even when its out of hand: missed call notifications, SMS forwarding (with reply), voicemail status, battery low notification etc.
Its has just one screen, maybe 3 fields worth of setup. So far this is one big differentiator from many of the other apps in this category.
In the version expected to release tomorrow, there is a new feature I am very excited about. As the phone battery is dying and the phone is shutting down, it'll send out its GPS coordinates--all in a fraction of a second. I am calling it "GASP" for "GPS At Shutdown Point" until enough people have told me it sounds ridiculous!
I welcome feedback - positive or not (see here) and would appreciate any from this group.
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Just posted a new version of PhoneLeash (v 1.5) at www.tinyurl.com/phoneleashfree
For this thread I think these new features would be of interest:
- Notification on phone bootup and shutdown
- GASP ("GPS At Shutdown Point") sends out your phone's GPS location just as the phone begins to shutdown! Perfect for lost phones about to lose battery charge completely.
- More @ www.gearandroid.com
Can this app send gps location in sms?
Consider I lost my phone in the woods. There is no wifi and I have no other data plan :-o
But if I could get the coordinates by sms... :-o
Yes, PhoneLeash can send location to either an email (using WiFi or cellular data) OR if the destination is a phonenumber, it will use SMS instead. Commands to the phone are only through SMS at the moment (or email-to-SMS which is the same thing on the phone side).
You can also change the destination remotely from email to phone/SMS or vice versa. Like after you've lost your phone in the woods ...
Happy New Year!
That's a good news Thx.
If it could wipe everything in phone I would switch to it immediately. Now I test Androidlost but I'm a bit concerned about there is a db with info about my phone and a control to wipe everything on it... There would a little loss it would just annoying.
Happy New Year!
I am curious to know more about the desire to wipe everything on the phone, if it gets lost. Its a nuclear option I have been hesitating to implement; I am worried it will get used merely for a misplaced phone, with regrets when the phone is found later.
Email accounts are (I feel) the safest to delete. The contents are usually replicated on GMail, or Exchange etc. Pictures are the most risky - they may not be backed up, and cannot be replicated.
I've been thinking it may be better/safer to do a quick and light encryption on pics, and SMS store. Unless you are a celebrity this should reassure you, and if you find the phone after all, you can get your data back.
I'd like all your thoughts on this subject, if possible. Thanks!
PVS
The encryption thing is a good point But I think it should be a platform feature... anyway as I see it:
* personally I sync all contacts / calendar to my horde webmail edition with funambol client (SyncML)
* and all data on phone that has some value are backed up in other place
So lost all data on phone is a little loss... if the phone is found. Just one thought. If there is wiped all data function that deletes all data than your program can't deliver info about the current position of the phone.
So in my opinion the program should delete all programs cache and data but the data of the PhoneLeash's. Del contacts and accounts, sms mms etc...
So if phone is found it is like a factory reset with PhoneLeash
But if phone found by other with data on it is not acceptable.
And if you could make the program hard to remove. Only with password... :-D
And a Happy New Year to All!
I have put androidlost in my rom and it works like a charm.
It's very stable and has great features. I don't know what else I could say. xD
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If there is wiped all data function that deletes all data than your program can't deliver info about the current position of the phone.
So in my opinion the program should delete all programs cache and data but the data of the PhoneLeash's. Del contacts and accounts, sms mms etc...
So if phone is found it is like a factory reset with PhoneLeash
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That's an excellent point!
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Eclipse6S said:
I have put androidlost in my rom and it works like a charm.
It's very stable and has great features. I don't know what else I could say. xD
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AndroidLost has a very rich feature set, but all setup and most control of your phone is through their website. Even the basic SMS pincode to allow SMS commands must be set there. If you haven't been thorough about it, and just installed the app, better not lose the phone where there is no data connection!
Most "find my phone" apps require the use of their website, and giving all that control and info to a 3rd party website ... I don't know! AndroidLost - for example - will send a copy of the GPS location to their website even if the request has been sent to the phone from another phone (via SMS) - why?! Another example - on startup, it'll grab all your emails and "register" them without so much as an "If I may ...".
PhoneLeash is a puny upstart in this business, with a hundredth of the feature set, but one thing I'll always be careful about is to not _require_ the user to send any data or command through my website. Its not my phone, not my data, not my business.
pvsub said:
AndroidLost has a very rich feature set, but all setup and most control of your phone is through their website. Even the basic SMS pincode to allow SMS commands must be set there. If you haven't been thorough about it, and just installed the app, better not lose the phone where there is no data connection!
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You can lose it because the sms commands are working with gsm only. But the point is yours with information sent to 3rd party.
That is because I consider to uninstall androidlost and install PhoneLeash if there were a wipe function and it is made hard to remove it (I don't know about android but if there could be a password before remove...), disable from viewing in launcher. I'll follow the development of PhoneLeash I don't want to follow my phone over the net. I only like to have a __little__ controll if it get lost.
pvsub said:
Most "find my phone" apps require the use of their website, and giving all that control and info to a 3rd party website ... I don't know! AndroidLost - for example - will send a copy of the GPS location to their website even if the request has been sent to the phone from another phone (via SMS) - why?! Another example - on startup, it'll grab all your emails and "register" them without so much as an "If I may ...".
PhoneLeash is a puny upstart in this business, with a hundredth of the feature set, but one thing I'll always be careful about is to not _require_ the user to send any data or command through my website. Its not my phone, not my data, not my business.
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Agree.
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You can lose it because the sms commands are working with gsm only.
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AndroidLost requires you to setup a password for SMS commands but you can only set this up through their website, not the app on the phone. If you forget (and I suspect many do), you are out of luck without a data connection!
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That is because I consider to uninstall androidlost and install PhoneLeash if there were a wipe function and it is made hard to remove it (I don't know about android but if there could be a password before remove...), disable from viewing in launcher.
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This is not hard if the app gets administrator rights. My philosophy is to not take on so much power (no requirement to root either), but in this case an exception may have to be made!
Thanks for the engaging discussion. I'll keep this thread updated as new features come out.
pvsub said:
I am curious to know more about the desire to wipe everything on the phone, if it gets lost. Its a nuclear option I have been hesitating to implement; I am worried it will get used merely for a misplaced phone, with regrets when the phone is found later.
Email accounts are (I feel) the safest to delete. The contents are usually replicated on GMail, or Exchange etc. Pictures are the most risky - they may not be backed up, and cannot be replicated.
I've been thinking it may be better/safer to do a quick and light encryption on pics, and SMS store. Unless you are a celebrity this should reassure you, and if you find the phone after all, you can get your data back.
I'd like all your thoughts on this subject, if possible. Thanks!
PVS
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Since we're on the topic to "hide the personal data", why not have a remote password lock (such as Pattern, PIN or Password) feature? If I lose my phone, I go to PhoneLeash's web interface or whatever, and press "Activate Phone Lock" (for example).
It will do the same - disallow access to the phone's private data - just without wiping it.
But then also have a nuclear option. Or backup all data (contacts, pictures, text, etc) to PhoneLeash's servers, then wipe.
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Since we're on the topic to "hide the personal data", why not have a remote password lock (such as Pattern, PIN or Password) feature? If I lose my phone, I go to PhoneLeash's web interface or whatever, and press "Activate Phone Lock" (for example).
It will do the same - disallow access to the phone's private data - just without wiping it.
But then also have a nuclear option. Or backup all data (contacts, pictures, text, etc) to PhoneLeash's servers, then wipe.
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In my opinion:
- data on phone are sensitive (it's a paradigm sensitive data shouldn't be in phone)
* should not transferred to 3rd party you not trust/control
- PhoneLeash and other active security apps are guard data if the system is running
- If you have physical access to phone you can disable the system and got hold of the data in it
* one option can be to encrypt all data with a trusted algorithm but it could be time consuming
* wipe all data
About root permissions:
androidlost makes it optional. If you want to hide app you could add root permissions but not a must.
avast! mobile security for Andoid
avast! best of all its free and does the job.
Link here http://www.appbrain.com/app/avast-mobile-security/com.avast.android.mobilesecurity or market
avast! is an excellent choice, especially for rooted users. You can install it and its settings to /system/app so it survives factory resets, and it can force your phone's data and WiFi connections to remain on.
samsim1 said:
In my opinion:
- data on phone are sensitive (it's a paradigm sensitive data shouldn't be in phone)
* should not transferred to 3rd party you not trust/control
- PhoneLeash and other active security apps are guard data if the system is running
- If you have physical access to phone you can disable the system and got hold of the data in it
* one option can be to encrypt all data with a trusted algorithm but it could be time consuming
* wipe all data
About root permissions:
androidlost makes it optional. If you want to hide app you could add root permissions but not a must.
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Would it be possible to add an option to "lock phone and password protect sdcard" and it would just lock the phone until the process was complete and then put all of the contents of the sdcard into a password protected .zip file and the password could be chosen by the user from the website before sending the command?
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Google Voice Easy SMS - Send & Auto-Receive SMS free via Google Voice [v2.0, 5/21/10]
Important Announcement:
Hey everyone, thanks for the support over the last year. This app was a great learning experience for me, I enjoyed the challenges it presented and learned a lot in the process.
I've now moved on to and Android device (and if you are able, I encourage you to do the same!). Thus, my development and support are both officially finished. This application is wholly open-source, and if anyone out there wants to pick up where I left off, please do (under the conditions that the app remains open-source and you retain my name as an author).
Thanks
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After 5 long months of working on it, Google Voice Easy SMS 2.0 is now released to the public, for free, like always! Send and automatically receive Google Voice SMS right on your phone over your data plan!
I've not been able to find a free application for Windows Mobile that allows easy text messaging (SMS) via your Google Voice account. I wanted something easy to use that also pulls from the phone's contacts list. So since I couldn't locate an app that suites these needs, I created one. After all, I’m a broke college student and I want something to give me free outgoing messages. Speaking of being broke, if you like what you see, consider donating via PayPal. After all, I'm probably saving you a good deal of money on a SMS package from your provider! You can do it right from this page on my website:
http://www.mattslifebytes.com/donate
Anything at all would be greatly appreciated!
Website & Download Location: http://www.mattslifebytes.com/?cat=7 OR http://tinyurl.com/googVSMS
Please don't mirror the installation file, just link to the above URL. That way current versions get distributed. Thanks!
Important Installation Note:
Once you have downloaded and installed Easy SMS, you'll need
to enter your Google Account information by going to 'Menu' -> 'Settings' -> 'Google Account Settings'. Fill in the info, then do 'Menu' -> 'Check for Messages'.
New In Version 2.0
Pretty much everything is new!
Easy SMS is now a full suite application. You can both send and receive Google Voice SMS through it for FREE.
All bugs with the old 1.x series have been fixed.
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Sends messages via the data connection, meaning your outgoing SMS costs you nothing
Interfaces with your phone's contacts list
Connects directly to Google via SSL to send your message, no man-in-the-middle servers that could potentially harvest your Google Account password
Signature support
Send to multiple recipients at once
Easy SMS is completely open-source! Want to have a look? Just click through to my website for the download.
Requirements
Windows Mobile based device; software has been tested on versions 6, 6.1, and 6.5, but the program may work with other versions.
.NET Compact Framework 3.5
A Google Voice account
Cellular data plan or WiFi connectivity
If your cellular data plan charges by the kilobyte, be sure to keep track of your usage; this program uses very little bandwidth, but don't try to blame data charges on me
You must abide by the Google Voice terms of service when using this program
Google has a bad habit of changing the way stuff works without letting people know. If you find that this program suddenly stops working, it could be because Google changed a setting and broke the way this program works. Check the blog site for info on known issues and patch releases. I'll try to post here with that stuff too.
Want to make calls easily via Google Voice from your Windows Mobile phone? Try iDialer and iContact, visit http://supware.net for those amazing programs.
I've tried to be very thorough in testing, but you never know. Find something odd? Tell me how to reproduce the error and I'll try to take care of it. Toss me an e-mail.
Website & Download Location: http://www.mattslifebytes.com/?cat=7
Excellent job!
This is exactly what I've been looking for since I found out google incoming sms could be routed to an email address. Thanks so much!
This gonna work with non-US country?
JaCoL_JcL said:
This gonna work with non-US country?
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Google voice only sends in the USA and accounts are only available to people in the USA so no it's not going to work outside USA.
I like small URLs This is the same as above, just easier to type in
http://tinyurl.com/googVSMS
The app works BEAUTIFULLY BTW
Combining this with the "Swype" keyboard, SMS is so much better now
l3it3r said:
I like small URLs This is the same as above, just easier to type in
http://tinyurl.com/googVSMS
The app works BEAUTIFULLY BTW
Combining this with the "Swype" keyboard, SMS is so much better now
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Thank you for the TinyURL, I'll add it to the top post, and I'm glad it's working well for you
JaCoL_JcL said:
This gonna work with non-US country?
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If Google Voice goes international, I'll try my best to keep it compatible.
I'm currently in the UK (live in Chicago), is there any reason this wouldn't work? I just get a communication error. I thought it woudl just use the data connection?
gadgetluva said:
I'm currently in the UK (live in Chicago), is there any reason this wouldn't work? I just get a communication error. I thought it woudl just use the data connection?
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Which communication error do you get: bad Google Account username or password, unable to get value of '_rnr_se' key, or unable to send message(s)?
The program tries to open a few URL connections via the OS networking components, and if you have a data connection it really should be working. My only thought is perhaps Google's methods that I am using aren't accessible from outside the USA or something. If that turns out to be the case, I can program a workaround by bouncing the request through my own web server first, that way it originates from a USA IP address.
Can someone send me an invite for google voice please? PM me please
This app looks really cool. Would be great for me because I have a 300 text/month limit.
Thanks for the app. I just want to clarify, this app only send SMS via google voice and incoming text is still received as a regular text, is that correct?
Thanks.
adp9626 said:
Thanks for the app. I just want to clarify, this app only send SMS via google voice and incoming text is still received as a regular text, is that correct?
Thanks.
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You are 100% correct.
msullivan said:
You are 100% correct.
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I would like to know if we can send International tex Mesg also for Free ?
has anyone tryed it ?
ilordvader said:
I would like to know if we can send International tex Mesg also for Free ?
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You'd have to find out from the Google Voice support stuff, this program only passes the info from Google and they handle the rest.
thank you so much for this! will test and post my results
msullivan said:
Which communication error do you get: bad Google Account username or password, unable to get value of '_rnr_se' key, or unable to send message(s)?
The program tries to open a few URL connections via the OS networking components, and if you have a data connection it really should be working. My only thought is perhaps Google's methods that I am using aren't accessible from outside the USA or something. If that turns out to be the case, I can program a workaround by bouncing the request through my own web server first, that way it originates from a USA IP address.
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I'm not sure if people would feel comfortable with texts bouncing through a 3rd party, no offense to you or anything...
gadgetluva said:
I'm not sure if people would feel comfortable with texts bouncing through a 3rd party, no offense to you or anything...
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Certainly none taken, either. But for now it would still help if you could post what type of communication error you are getting though, that's going to be the only way I even can begin to understand the problem :-/
i keep getting the "communication error: unable to send message. try closing the program and re-opening. also be sure this version of Easy SMS is up to date, google might have changed something on their end."
what am i doing wrong?
eboy44 said:
i keep getting the "communication error: unable to send message. try closing the program and re-opening. also be sure this version of Easy SMS is up to date, google might have changed something on their end."
what am i doing wrong?
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That error means that the program was able to log you into your Google account and get your authorization key, but when it tries to send the message Google didn't allow the connection.
Can you browse to https://www.google.com/voice/sms/send/ on your mobile device? You should get "Forbidden Error 403". Also where is your physical location currently, and who is your carrier? Thanks.
msullivan said:
That error means that the program was able to log you into your Google account and get your authorization key, but when it tries to send the message Google didn't allow the connection.
Can you browse to https://www.google.com/voice/sms/send/ on your mobile device? You should get "Forbidden Error 403". Also where is your physical location currently, and who is your carrier? Thanks.
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i am in los angeles and im on T-Mobile
when i go to that web page it takes me to the page...it doesnt say forbidden error 403
eboy44 said:
i am in los angeles and im on T-Mobile
when i go to that web page it takes me to the page...it doesnt say forbidden error 403
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Also are you on 3G or WiFi connection? Are you roaming? And finally (lol) if I create a debug version would you be willing to run it and let me know how it works out for you?
The first day I got my Atrix, I put it on WiFi after going home and syncing GMail, etc. I then checked my data. To my surprise...I had downloaded 60 MB! Coming from my iPhone 3G, where I used about 50 MB/MONTH, one day of 60 MB was quite...interesting, to say the least. I am on WiFi at school, at home. I browse FB and Engadget for 1 hr on and off on the trains (where I also get WiFi at stations). I tested my data usage last month because I was hesitant about paying 70$ a month and was considering paying for the 200 MB plan, but I kept the unlimited.
So I set up another control. Yesterday, I kept my internet on--BACKGROUND OFF--and did not access any internet apps, gmail, email, what have you until I was back home and on WiFi. WiFi was kept off during the time before home. Here is the proof (friend's 3GS, my 3G is the last picture you'll see).
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Yet....I still used 6MB of data (I cannot take picture of screen at time but I will update in a few hours when I can). This is not a lot, I realize. But if you consider that literally I was not using any data at all, this is quite a lot, especially multiplied by 30 days. 200 - 180 = 20 MB of data useable in the month!
Anyone getting these kind of results?
And as a bonus picture, taken the night I got my Atrix:
4G, **** YEA! (Long Island, NY. 2 Bars, connected to NY server. WiFi settings: 14/5)
QUICK EDIT: I turned off push for every email and yet...I sent an email to myself, a minute later my phone vibrated with new email? Can this be affecting my data usage?
What apps have you installed? Those use data also. Also, did you check sync settings outside of e-mail? There are a LOT of things that use data that are not e-mail. My phone's due to be delivered tonight so I don't have any Blur experience yet but my EVO has a section in settings called "Accounts & Sync" where you can see things that are set to sync at the system level. Individual apps can have their own settings as well - Facebook, Twitter, Photobucket, News and Weather, EBay, Fox News, App Brain, Chrome to Phone, Amazon, Amazon MP3, InstaFetch, MySpace, Google Rader, Skype, Google Talk, all can use data (just going through my EVO's app menu).
I got mine two days ago and have only installed a few apps. Email and Gmail are the only ones that would use data...and on Email I made it NEVER update unless manual. I think this is why Android users use more data than iPhone users.
pfaction said:
I got mine two days ago and have only installed a few apps. Email and Gmail are the only ones that would use data...and on Email I made it NEVER update unless manual. I think this is why Android users use more data than iPhone users.
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That's not true at all. Since you had to sign up for a motoblur account when you first set the phone up, that phones home, and there is a setting for synchronizing your data and settings with motoblur. Ensure that's off too.
Running a weather widget? News widget? Using the Forest live wallpaper? That monitors weather over the internet too. How about latitude? Picasa? Have your account setup through motoblur on Facebook? That will pull down statuses when the app isn't open, and show them in your contacts.
Point is, there are a ton of apps from the factory that utilize data, and some of the widgets run in the background even if they're not setup on your phone.
Android users use more data than iPhone users because we can do significantly more with our phones without opening applications. A 200MB plan isn't viable for an Android poweruser. The 2GB limit is just fine, though - The most data I've used was around 900MB, and that included pulling down ROMs over the air on my Captivate, etc.
I've pulled 900MB over wifi, but only 1.35MB over network. I only let facebook sync over wifi. GMail syncs when it can (my workplace is like a bomb shelter). And today, I missed the exit on the highway and turned on GPS and maps after getting off the next ramp. I would have thought I sucked up more data by now, but apparently I haven't.
Okay, but I'm on WiFi and this should NOT be happening.
I just checked again today. I went from 62.3 at 6 AM to 107.8 as of right now!! WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON? I have been on WiFi almost the entire time! Why the **** is this happening? 2 days and 100 MB used? That's unsustainable!
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That's not true at all. Since you had to sign up for a motoblur account when you first set the phone up, that phones home, and there is a setting for synchronizing your data and settings with motoblur. Ensure that's off too.
Running a weather widget? News widget? Using the Forest live wallpaper? That monitors weather over the internet too. How about latitude? Picasa? Have your account setup through motoblur on Facebook? That will pull down statuses when the app isn't open, and show them in your contacts.
Point is, there are a ton of apps from the factory that utilize data, and some of the widgets run in the background even if they're not setup on your phone.
Android users use more data than iPhone users because we can do significantly more with our phones without opening applications. A 200MB plan isn't viable for an Android poweruser. The 2GB limit is just fine, though - The most data I've used was around 900MB, and that included pulling down ROMs over the air on my Captivate, etc.
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Can you please tell me how to check and disable the Motoblur updating? I have no facebook apps or any of that other stuff. no weather, whatever.
I really shouldn't be flipping out but this is ridiculous, I'm paranoid about downgrading and getting hit.
Android tends to use a lot more data with background data from apps and especially widgets. When your screen is off it usually defaults to your data connection. You can change it to leave Wi-fi on all the time by going to Settings>Wireless & Network Settings>Wi-fi Settings>Click Menu Advance> and change Wi-fi sleep policy to never. This may affect your battery life but you will probably use less data by doing this.
^ I dont think I wouldve ever found that menu .
Can someone post how to limit or disable MotoBLUR syncing?
Which ones out of these would use it though?
Applanet
Barcode scanner
Bettercut
Browser
Digital Clock Widget
Enhanced Email
Gmail
Widget Locker
Not sure which other programs could even use it. I am pretty sure I have GMail locked down.
I called AT&T about my voicemail they fixed that, I have'em on the data and the lowest 4G speeds.
jeremy81 said:
Android tends to use a lot more data with background data from apps and especially widgets. When your screen is off it usually defaults to your data connection. You can change it to leave Wi-fi on all the time by going to Settings>Wireless & Network Settings>Wi-fi Settings>Click Menu Advance> and change Wi-fi sleep policy to never. This may affect your battery life but you will probably use less data by doing this.
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I did this. Tomorrow at work I'm downloading a huge application (basement, so there will be no WiFi) but Sunday I will do a benchtest on this. I will be at home the ENTIRE time so theoretically all data should be sent through WiFi.
I thought we'd find this humorous.
What about
Menu>Data Manager>Data Delivery>Social Applications>Sync over WiFi Only?
FNugget said:
What about
Menu>Data Manager>Data Delivery>Social Applications>Sync over WiFi Only?
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I'll try that Saturday night, thanks. So I'm expecting a <5MB across the entire day if even anything.
I'm seeing similar behavior where there is some sort of non-trivial amount of data being transfered. I'm using TrafficStats which if can be believed I'm seeing about 3 to 4MB of data every other hour associated with "Mobile Desktop" (which lists a bunch of sub items.).
The other very strange thing is that the majority of the data is UP (not down).
I've got similar apps installed on an Archos 70 tablet (gmail + touchdown for corporate email) and I have never seen this kind of background taffic.
In some good news the phone went from 107.5 to 108.4 across the night. Not that much, 1 MB.
Check the AT&T site for data usage, since that will be the official amount for the bill.
I hope your apps don't combine network data and wifi data to give you your data usage.
If you're really in a bind, try seeing what turning off ALL data does. That's Settings>Data Manager>Data Delivery>Background Data & Data Roaming & Data Enabled
I'd also suggest installing an app like Net Counter, which will monitor the types of data used and update a desktop icon as that changes. It won't tell you exactly what ran, but it will show you WHEN something has just run, and that might give you some hints.
I finally posted on Motorola's Forums asking about the suspect APK's with as much info as possible.
See HERE
If they for some reason take it down I will duplicate it here below:
Ok,
We Motorola owners have been silent and I think its time that we was not. Just last year I signed up for the Electrify Beta test for Motorola's 2.3.5 update for the phone. I received an email from Motorola that within 24 hours I would be getting the updated pushed to my device. At the time I got the email (around 9:30 am) I was using a custom ROM (Cyanogen Mod 7) and I proceeded to back up my phone and flash the phone back to Stock 2.3.4. Once I did that, I never got the update pushed to my device. So in turn I posted that question why I never received it on the Forums.
Mark answered it by saying this:
“Wow you've reset your phone 21 times... Whatever for? The reason you can't get the update is because you've factory reset the phone after the update was sent out. I'll reply in the other thread concerning the wifi issue. It's off topic here.
Mark
Support Forums Manager”
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To which I answered that it was really non of his or Motorola’s business how many times I reset my device as for one – its MINE. I also asked what else Motorola was tracking from my device and why we users are not made aware of it. Of course I never got an answer to that post.
To be honest it was a Godsend that I never got the update, because as we all know Motorola relocked the Bootloader and has every intention of never making it unlocked again. However that’s a different issue and not the one at hand here.
Now I get that that I missed the update to 2.3.5 because I was on a custom ROM that is totally not supported by Motorola, and quite frankly this isn’t the issue here.
The issue is that my activity was tracked. When I got the phone and activated it I was not aware of any EULA that would state that Motorola would be tracking its users and activities. There was no such message in the Box, Manual, or on the phone on first boot. If it IS in the manual then it is so far embedded in some clause that it’s criminal that it is in there. However I am pretty sure its not.
So I would put that down to my activity was tracked WITHOUT my consent. Which to me, is a pretty big deal.
So this brings me to the meat of this post. A few users have stated there are some suspect apps (Motorola Stock) that are running in the background and require some insane Access Rights.. I will now list them along with the permissions they require (You can see these for yourself on your own phone. Applications > All > and find them on the list.). Some of these are quite the eye opener…
AdService.apk
Network Communication (Full Internet Access)
Phone Calls (ReadPhoneStateand identity)
DataCollection.apk
Your personal Information (Read Contact Data, Read Sensitive Log Data, Read user Defined Dictionary, Write Contact Data)
Services that Cost you Money (Directly Call Phone Numbers, Send SMS Messages)
Your Location (coarse (network-based) location, fine (GPS) location, mock location sources for testing)
Your messages (edit SMS or MMS, Read SMS or MMS, Receive SMS)
Network Communication (control Near Field Communication, Create Bluetooth Connections, Full Internet Access)
Your Accounts (manage the accounts list, use the authentication credentials of an account)
Storage (Modify/delete SD card Contents)
Phone Calls (intercept outgoing calls, read phone state and identity)
hardware Controls (change your audio settings)
System Tools (Bluetooth Administration, change network connectivity, change WiFi State, Change WiMAX State, Change your UI Settings, Modify Global System Settings, Mount and unmount file systems, prevent phone from sleeping, reorder running applications, retrieve running applications, write Access Point Name settings, write Sync Settings)
(Hidden)
Default (Modify battery Statistics, Read Certificates)
Your personal Information (write to user defined dictionary)
network Communication (view network state, view Wi-Fi state, view WiMAX state)
Your Accounts (discover known accounts, read Google service configuration, View configured accounts)
hardware Controls (control vibrator)
System Tools (Automatically start at boot, expand/collapse status bar, kill background processes, measure application storage space, read Home settings and shortcuts, read sync settings, read sync statistics, set wallpaper, write Home settings and shortcuts)
DataCollectorProvider.apk
Your Personal Information (read contact data)
DataCollectorService.apk
Your Personal Information (read contact data)
KpiLogger.apk
Your personal Information (Read Contact Data, Read Sensitive Log Data, Read user Defined Dictionary, Write Contact Data)
Services that Cost you Money (Directly Call Phone Numbers, Send SMS Messages)
Your Location (coarse (network-based) location, fine (GPS) location, mock location sources for testing)
Your messages (edit SMS or MMS, Read SMS or MMS, Receive SMS)
Network Communication (control Near Field Communication, Create Bluetooth Connections, Full Internet Access)
Your Accounts (manage the accounts list, use the authentication credentials of an account)
Storage (Modify/delete SD card Contents)
Phone Calls (intercept outgoing calls, read phone state and identity)
hardware Controls (change your audio settings)
System Tools (Bluetooth Administration, change network connectivity, change WiFi State, Change WiMAX State, Change your UI Settings, Modify Global System Settings, Mount and unmount file systems, prevent phone from sleeping, reorder running applications, retrieve running applications, write Access Point Name settings, write Sync Settings)
(Hidden)
Default (Modify battery Statistics, Read Certificates)
Your personal Information (write to user defined dictionary)
network Communication (view network state, view Wi-Fi state, view WiMAX state)
Your Accounts (discover known accounts, read Google service configuration, View configured accounts)
hardware Controls (control vibrator)
System Tools (Automatically start at boot, expand/collapse status bar, kill background processes, measure application storage space, read Home settings and shortcuts, read sync settings, read sync statistics, set wallpaper, write Home settings and shortcuts)
MasterClearErrorReporter.apk
Your personal Information (Read Contact Data, Read Sensitive Log Data, Read user Defined Dictionary, Write Contact Data)
Services that Cost you Money (Directly Call Phone Numbers, Send SMS Messages)
Your Location (coarse (network-based) location, fine (GPS) location, mock location sources for testing)
Your messages (edit SMS or MMS, Read SMS or MMS, Receive SMS)
Network Communication (control Near Field Communication, Create Bluetooth Connections, Full Internet Access)
Your Accounts (manage the accounts list, use the authentication credentials of an account)
Storage (Modify/delete SD card Contents)
Phone Calls (intercept outgoing calls, read phone state and identity)
hardware Controls (change your audio settings)
System Tools (Bluetooth Administration, change network connectivity, change WiFi State, Change WiMAX State, Change your UI Settings, Modify Global System Settings, Mount and unmount file systems, prevent phone from sleeping, reorder running applications, retrieve running applications, write Access Point Name settings, write Sync Settings)
(Hidden)
Default (Modify battery Statistics, Read Certificates)
Your personal Information (write to user defined dictionary)
network Communication (view network state, view Wi-Fi state, view WiMAX state)
Your Accounts (discover known accounts, read Google service configuration, View configured accounts)
hardware Controls (control vibrator)
System Tools (Automatically start at boot, expand/collapse status bar, kill background processes, measure application storage space, read Home settings and shortcuts, read sync settings, read sync statistics, set wallpaper, write Home settings and shortcuts)
So, to paraphrase Mark….
Wow these Apps need some insane permissions…. WHATEVER FOR??
And aren’t they named well?
I suggest that someone provides FULL DISCLOSURE on what all these apps do. They are NOT required to run the device (if you are rooted you can freeze the processes with no ill effects and can infact remove them) and they most certainly are NOT part of Android’s original OS.. So whatever ARE they for and what ARE they collecting???
So Motorola, the ball is in your court so to speak, I and a great many others would be really curious on telling us what they are for…
Your move..
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Just a thought on this issue also. maybe a reason you could provide to this **** from Motorola is the fact that these phones have problems out of the box. Random reboots for example. That in itself would be reason enough for me to reset my phone in homes it will go away. Another thing you could point out is that some app developers are using Airpush ads that some people might think are a form of trojan and might also to a reset to try to eliminate them. Bottom line though is you are totally correct and that it's none of their damn business what we do with these phones. Sprint can ***** at us and threaten to void warranties or whatever but Moto has nothing to do with it. I'm curious to know what they respond with. I'm going to post in that forum too
It's funny. Those were the first apps that I had frozen. I have NO problem with my phone since I froze those. It's been about 2 months now and no problems.
My post on that forum rules LOL
Even if they do respond I'll be willing to bet you don't get a straight answer that exposes the truth.
On a side note, are the apps you have listed everything that does the questionable snooping or are there more parts to the puzzle?
I'm a MoPho-er
FernBch said:
Even if they do respond I'll be willing to bet you don't get a straight answer that exposes the truth.
On a side note, are the apps you have listed everything that does the questionable snooping or are there more parts to the puzzle?
I'm a MoPho-er
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If I knew how to debug and show what those apps did, I would have more "clout" I guess..
I'm sure there's more in there, but those are obvious (and poorly named) with what they do.
I'm not expecting an answer either, but just sitting idly by saying nothing doesn't achieve anything either. It was worth a shot, and if more people post a response in the original thread, then well... its gonna make it harder for them to ignore it as well.
He posted a reply... Usual PR Snuff and tried to make it look like I was the bad one for breaking an NDA on software that was publicly released two months ago..
I think not, so I replied in kind.... Funny how it took a posting of APK's permissions and concerns about privacy (which was brought up before) for him to garner any response on it...
Lets see if this can carry on...
mistaken, your privacy is important and must be protected, in Europe there are strict legislative on this point, and I hope that clarifies why if the European community discovers that unbeknownst to many users, are read everything that trigger sanctions. I also do not want others to know of my sites visited, etc..
sorry for my English
ZeroManArmy said:
It's funny. Those were the first apps that I had frozen. I have NO problem with my phone since I froze those. It's been about 2 months now and no problems.
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One of the four has something to do with corp. mail now get an error message. Option to FC every thing working though.
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Cythrawl,
Honestly, if I would have known that the Electrify would have been like this, I would have stuck with the Hero S. sometimes...I regret switching from the Hero S to the Electrify.
IBMguy said:
Cythrawl,
Honestly, if I would have known that the Electrify would have been like this, I would have stuck with the Hero S. sometimes...I regret switching from the Hero S to the Electrify.
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If I had have known too, I would have stuck with the Mesmerize until we get the SGII
Love it when people have no idea!
"We Motorola owners have been silent and I think its time that we was not."
"If I knew how to debug and show what those apps did, I would have more "clout" I guess.. "
I would not worry about Moto, the govenment is watching you right now through your tv.
halfdriven said:
Love it when people have no idea!
"We Motorola owners have been silent and I think its time that we was not."
"If I knew how to debug and show what those apps did, I would have more "clout" I guess.. "
I would not worry about Moto, the govenment is watching you right now through your tv.
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Seeing I don't have TV (or a TV connected to Cable / Sat / OTA) I doubt that...
Thankyou for your really useful post...
I asked this in XDA Android Q&A; posting to this Rezound Q&A as well in case there are any Rezound specific options that can be explored:
I've been debating configuring my personal phone to access my employer's Exchange server; I would be checking it on occasion-- more of a convenience thing to know what's up before I head in for the day.
Using the default Android Mail client and choosing ActiveSync and doing the setup, I inevitably reach a screen with the following:
Activate security policies?
Exchange security policies
Your IT administrator requires that you activate these security policies in order to sync with your Exchange Server.
Activating this administrator will allow the application Mail to perform the following operations:
! Erase all data
Perform a factory reset, which deletes all of your data without any confirmation.
! Set password rules
Restrict the types of passwords that you are allowed to use.
! Monitor screen-unlock attempts
Monitor failed attempts to log into your device.
! Lock the screen
Control when your device locks, requiring that you re-enter your password.
! Device function limitation
Restrict some function on device like Wifi, Bluetooth, Camera etc.
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Needless to say, this is highly unappealing for my personal phone-- way too much power for the Mail application.
So my questions-- what are my options?
-would a different Exchange connectivity application like Touchdown request those same permissions for access?
-would I be better off setting up ActiveSync on an alternate ROM and booting into that when I want to check work mail (not as frequently as some other users)?
-How far does that remote wipe control extend? Could they wipe the entire phone, including bootloader? Or is it just reference to internal storage? Could they wipe the external SD card?
-is there a way to revoke those permissions from the Mail application while retaining the ability to connect to the Exchange server?
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Needless to say, this is highly unappealing for my personal phone-- way too much power for the Mail application.
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It is designed to protect corp data. If you don't want your personal phone under that control, then don't connect it. That is the choice you have.
So my questions-- what are my options?
-would a different Exchange connectivity application like Touchdown request those same permissions for access?
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Nope. The policy is from the Exchange servers policies.
-would I be better off setting up ActiveSync on an alternate ROM and booting into that when I want to check work mail (not as frequently as some other users)?
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Not sure how you would do this.
-How far does that remote wipe control extend? Could they wipe the entire phone, including bootloader? Or is it just reference to internal storage? Could they wipe the external SD card?
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When you connect, if they have issued the wipe command, it wipes. Distance is not relative. Wipe is wipe.
-is there a way to revoke those permissions from the Mail application while retaining the ability to connect to the Exchange server?
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No. they could have a different policy setup for different groups of users and have you into that group, but you would have to ask the administrator though.
The exchange policies are part of the requirements of connecting to that exchange server. The policies can be changed by the administrator by putting you into another group, but I doubt they will do that. They are there to protect corp data.
There are other ways that policies can be setup, but that needs to be done again by the administrator.
These types of policies are becoming more and more common as companies realize their contacts, email and attachments are valuable and need to be protected. A lot of people use two phones, one for corp and one for personal, not mixing the two.
Remote wipe and all is a feature of activesync, not necessarily exchange. So, according to what I'm reading, you can find an email client that supports exchange but not eactivesync and get around the permissions.
I am also interested in how far the wipe can extend. It says reset to factory, which would leave your SD card intact.
gthing said:
Remote wipe and all is a feature of activesync, not necessarily exchange. So, according to what I'm reading, you can find an email client that supports exchange but not eactivesync and get around the permissions.
I am also interested in how far the wipe can extend. It says reset to factory, which would leave your SD card intact.
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As far as I am aware, the Exchange server CAN initiate a full wipe, if your company is on Exchange 2010. The wipe command can be found in OWA settings. The only way you can get around the permissions is to login to OWA via your browser. The security settings are there for a reason, as mentioned above.
Microsoft works very hard with its partners to provide the best security possible. I do not think using Touchdown or another email client will allow you to circumvent security policies enforced by the Exchange server.
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vprasad1 said:
So my questions-- what are my options?
-would a different Exchange connectivity application like Touchdown request those same permissions for access?
-would I be better off setting up ActiveSync on an alternate ROM and booting into that when I want to check work mail (not as frequently as some other users)?
-How far does that remote wipe control extend? Could they wipe the entire phone, including bootloader? Or is it just reference to internal storage? Could they wipe the external SD card?
-is there a way to revoke those permissions from the Mail application while retaining the ability to connect to the Exchange server?
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I use TouchDown for my work e-mail, and while I have never had any administrators use remote wipe, I will let you know my experiences:
-There is an option in the settings screen for "Clean SD card on remote wipe." It's unchecked by default. I assume a remote wipe will only clear TouchDown related data, but am not 100% sure of it. At the very least this option implies that it won't normally wipe your SD card as well.
-TouchDown will ask for the same permissions. However, unlike the default mail application, which will force your whole phone to be pin locked, TouchDown will only force you to enter a pin when you open the application. This feature is nice if you don't want to always enter in a pin to unlock your phone but also want Exchange e-mail.
-As the policies are set on the ActiveSync server, there's no way to get around revoking the permissions.
If you search for it enough, you can probably find a modified mail app that doesn't require these security permissions. I know I've seen one that works with CleanRom and I use it on ICS Business Sense. No lockscreen pin required either and no device administrator.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1456425
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I am too looking for a solution to avoid giving my employer the access rights to wipe my phone, and I just wanted to comment that IMO, theorically it is not because this setting is on server side that it can't be avoided.
Android can give whatever permissions the server asks for then totally ignore the commands when they eventually come. That would probably require some coding to simulate executing the command without actually doing it, and it would definitely require root access to do this, but I do not see how that would be impossible on Android or on one of its mods.
Now obviously this is not something I'm going to waste time on. if it can't be done, my pro account will not be on my phone. That was me trying to do something for my employer, but if they don't want me to see my mails on weekends, I won't be fool enough to complain.
I'm in a similar situation. With ICS, at least it gave me the ability to only have to enter a PIN after 15 minutes or something when your phone is locked. Prior to that with GB, every screen unlock required the PIN.
I do use a modified Mail.apk, but in a sense, I'm contributing to the problem of my company not allowing android phones on their network, because there are just so many workarounds like this.
LBE Security Guard may be able to inhibit the permissions, though I wouldn't want to have to depend on that as a last line of defense right before my device is potentially WIPED!
There has to be some better solutions to control it on the client side...
My admins at work say they will not change the exchange policy.
They said it comes with Exchange Server 2010 as the default settings, but they won't change it. They have actually tested the remote wipe and it works instantly. They claim they can remote 'unwipe' it as well, but I gave an analogy about formatting drives (quick format vs. full format) that they couldn't answer.
I told them I'm concerned about anyone having that much power over personal "BYOD" phones, and the possibility of someone accidentally or maliciously wiping my device.
They said the policy will not be changed.
Does anyone know of other 3rd party mail OR calendar programs that will update my calendar without allowing these INSANE permissions? Thanks.
I've recently bought a new phone and found these ridiculous permissions when I went to sync with my work exchange.
There must be apps available or possible to develop because the email app on my old phone doesn't ask for these permissions. Unfortunately it isn't available to download, just the default app with that phone.
worldheroes said:
I've recently bought a new phone and found these ridiculous permissions when I went to sync with my work exchange.
There must be apps available or possible to develop because the email app on my old phone doesn't ask for these permissions. Unfortunately it isn't available to download, just the default app with that phone.
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There are several mail programs in the Google Play store, if you search for 'exchange email'
I saw:
k-9 mail
touchdown
exchange exmail
maildroid
and so on...
k-9 had the best ratings and is open source so I tried it, but it couldn't connect to my exchange server. I got an error during setup:
'Setup could not finish, cannot connect to server. (ioexception)'
Please let me know if you have better luck with any exchange program!
The best choice for you is to install OWA from the play store (outlook web) and that will get you contacts, push mail and calendars without having to accept the exchange policies. All you have to do is point it to your companies webmail page and login.
I searched for OWA in the Play store but didn't find the one you mentioned. (see attachment) Is it a free app?
I have the first one by WWO. It gets the job done. 5 bucks well spent. I'm sure it can be side loaded if you'd like to test the functionality first.
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I have the first one by WWO. It gets the job done. 5 bucks well spent. I'm sure it can be side loaded if you'd like to test the functionality first.
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At the risk of asking a silly question - how would I get it to test it?
might want to try this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1965468
Thanks - the link to the ICS Email APK with Exchange Security removed was exactly what I needed!
I wish that app would be maintained with the current version and be put in the google play store!
If I activate the device administration can I undo it? Can I deactivate it and go back to life as usual?
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If I activate the device administration can I undo it? Can I deactivate it and go back to life as usual?
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Yes, delete the account in question.
Could anyone out there tell me if the S Note that you got with the ICS update - NOT downloaded from S Choice, or from the file that I saw floating around the forum, just the ones that came with ICS automatically - matches the following permissions?
- Your personal information
add or modify calendar events and send email to guests without owner's knowledge, read Browser's history and bookmarks, read calendar events plus confidential information, read contact data, read user defined dictionary, write Browser’s history and bookmarks, write contact data
- Services that cost you money
directly call phone numbers, send SMS messages
- Your location
coarse (network-based) location, fine (GPS) location
- Your messages
edit SMS or MMS, read SMS or MMS, receive SMS or MMS
- Network communication
control NFC, create Bluetooth connections, full internet access
- Your accounts
acts an account authenticator, manage the accounts list, use the authentication credentials of an account
- Storage
modify/delete USE storage contents
- Hardware controls
change your audio settings, record audio, take pictures and videos
- System Tools
allow Wi-Fi Multicast reception, bluetooth administration, change network connectivity, change WIF state, change WIMAX state, change your UI settings, delete all application cache data, disable keylock, format external storage, modify global system settings, mount and unmount filesystems, prevent phone from sleeping, retrieve running applications, write sync settings.
Why I want to know, if you're interested:
I didn't get S Note with my ICS update (SGH-i717R - Canadian, Rogers), and after a song and dance with support, was told by one agent/one email support to download it from the S Choice app store ... and by one call agent that I should stay away from it because it's not from Samsung and possibly malware.. Since S Note was supposed to come with the update, and only My Story needed additional downloading, I was a little wary.
My misgivings started with the bad grammar in the description, the different developer from the My Story app, and finally, the giant pile of permissions it wants. I've tried a slew of things to get S Note/Premium Suite to initialize, and am now at either reflashing the update, which I'd like to avoid since the phone works fine and I don't know what the hell I'm doing, or mailing it in “to the lab,” which I'd like to avoid because apparently not all of Samsung knows what it's doing either, judging by some of the answers I got. So I'd like to just do a comparison to see if the original S Note that comes with ICS also has these permissions. If it does, then I'm just going with the S Choice one and stop trying other things.
Thank you for any help!
Anyone? I know it's a bit of an oddball question, but..? (Unless nobody got it with ICS, which wouldn't surprise me, either.)
Matches what i have... I dont think its anything bad. Samsung proabably wants snote to have full functionality. Insert contacts and be able to call them from the app, geo tag your location etc... Look at the permissions of facebook... They are not that different.
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Stampaufaz said:
Matches what i have... I dont think its anything bad. Samsung proabably wants snote to have full functionality. Insert contacts and be able to call them from the app, geo tag your location etc... Look at the permissions of facebook... They are not that different.
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Fantastic - thanks! I was mostly put off by the description of the app "this application is S note can make own note." doesn't exactly scream "I am legit software put out by Samsung, download me!" But if it's pretty much what the original has, then I'm fine.
Again, thanks!