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Interested in knowing what ASUS is up to for the rest of the year when it comes to the subject of tablets? You’re in luck because at a press event in Taipei today, Samson Hu, the Vice President and General Manager of the Eee Systems Business Unit revealed the company’s tablet roadmap for 2012.
The Transformer Prime will also be getting a 3G version sometime this March and it will pack a more powerful GPS module. At CES, ASUS will be unveiling a 7″ tablet (rumored to be the ASUS Memo) and a 10″ with a high resolution display (could be a completely new tablet or the upgraded Transformer Prime with 3G and better GPS). There are also two more 10″ tablets slated for the second half of 2012.
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/01/asus-tablet-roadmap-2012-revealed/
the fact that Asus is basically doubling it android division to like 400 or more employees and Windows 8 division will only have 150 employees doesn't look too good for Windows 8 at the moment. Clearly shows their focus is mainly on Android. Either way once Windows 8 releases, we will be able to load it up on Prime or dual boot. I'd rather be able to do that vs. a single OS device only. We already got Backtrack5(Hacker Linux) running on Prime so outlook looks good.
I feel like this is the bait and switch. They put out the Prime, it sells like hot cakes but disappoints some users. Then they learn from their mistakes at the cost of the consumer and introduce new products to correct the mistakes.
I'm really trying to be positive about this whole thing, but this really makes it difficult. This is where competition really bites the consumer in the ass.
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I feel like this is the bait and switch. They put out the Prime, it sells like hot cakes but disappoints some users. Then they learn from their mistakes at the cost of the consumer and introduce new products to correct the mistakes.
I'm really trying to be positive about this whole thing, but this really makes it difficult. This is where competition really bites the consumer in the ass.
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How is this bait and switch? Would you prefer that the next product they come out with still have the same problems some have complained about? I'm glad they're learning and are willing to put that knowledge to use on the next product. If companies didn't do that, we'd all be driving Model A cars.
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How is this bait and switch? Would you prefer that the next product they come out with still have the same problems some have complained about? I'm glad they're learning and are willing to put that knowledge to use on the next product. If companies didn't do that, we'd all be driving Model A cars.
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+1 on that, even if I realize I'm lucky being Italian, which means that I had the chance to see various reactions and enough time to decide whether going for the Prime or not. Obviously, if Asus will announce the Prime 3G at CES, I'll wait for it since I have an Acer Iconia A500 in the meanwhile.
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I feel like this is the bait and switch. They put out the Prime, it sells like hot cakes but disappoints some users. Then they learn from their mistakes at the cost of the consumer and introduce new products to correct the mistakes.
I'm really trying to be positive about this whole thing, but this really makes it difficult. This is where competition really bites the consumer in the ass.
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It wasn't "bait and switch", unless the ONLY reason you bought a TFP was for the GPS. If you did, that's just sad...
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How is this bait and switch? Would you prefer that the next product they come out with still have the same problems some have complained about? I'm glad they're learning and are willing to put that knowledge to use on the next product. If companies didn't do that, we'd all be driving Model A cars.
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That's true. But what if they released the Model A, and then six months later released an updated Model A with more features? The people who bought the first Model A might feel burned. OK, I'm done being negative. I agree with your point of view, and I believe that progress is good. Sorry, super tired and still struggling with all of the buggers in the General forum that are trying really hard to make people not enjoy this super awesome tablet. I wish there was a "View Positive Posts Only" option in the XDA.
one will be called the transformer light! tf201x and tf201xg (found this info in the honeycomb system files!)
I am thinking they might go with maybe a 10.1 inch, higher than 1080p screen made of superlight plastic along with a super IPS++ display! Kinda like how you had a DS lite! along with 2gb of ram...... Hopefully it will be able to be used with the same dock as the tf201!
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That's true. But what if they released the Model A, and then six months later released an updated Model A with more features? The people who bought the first Model A might feel burned. OK, I'm done being negative. I agree with your point of view, and I believe that progress is good. Sorry, super tired and still struggling with all of the buggers in the General forum that are trying really hard to make people not enjoy this super awesome tablet. I wish there was a "View Positive Posts Only" option in the XDA.
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I get what you're saying.
(I do want to point out though that it was almost the exact scenario between the first Model A and the first Model B...it was about 6 months between their releases back in 1903/1904.)
You just have to bite the bullet on technology purchases in general; find yourself something you want to buy, then realize that just after you unboxed it, it's no longer the top dog anymore.
I think what Adam is trying to say is it sucks doing research and sinking hard earned money into something that 6 months later will be yesterdays news. I know that's the way it goes but still kind of disappointing. I'm looking for that complete product. Gets expensive ebaying the old and sinking several hundred into another new product.
On another front for those RMA'ing the Prime for GPS issues and ASUS saying they will fix, could they be putting in a Beefier GPS like what's in the upcoming ones? Just a thought.
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That is kind of weird, I would expect them to put more people on windows instead of android. I love android for what it is but I feel like windows is just a much more complete platform. I mean its a little early to judge how well windows 8 is going to run on ARM systems, if its anything close to the windows 8 I installed on my eee slate (ULV i5), then I think it's going be incredible.
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Gets expensive ebaying the old and sinking several hundred into another new product.
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The unfortunate cost of surfing the front wave of technology, right?
i plan on waiting for CES then if something cooler with way better specs comes out I will RMA my dock and tablet plus case to amazon (will only lose about 100 bucks...)
But they catch is it needs to be out within a few weeks after CES!
But anyways we all know we will have tegra4 this summer! kael+ so yeah technology is always moving forward! they never stop and try to squeeze all they life out of it like Game consoles have (ps3 and xbox now 5 years old!)
You just gotta get something stick with your purchase and be happy! then in a year to a year and a half sell it and buy something new!
I plan on buying the Galaxy Nexus when it is released on sprint! even though the next nexus will probaly be out 8 months later!
But i badly need the replacement i cant stand my evo 4g that wont charge unless you hold down the cord! its a pain in the but!
Plus i know the galaxy nexus software will be supported for atleast 20 months long enough to get me to my next upgrade!!
So if you want it buy it basically you cant stop better stuff from coming out!
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Those in the U.S., unless offered by a carrier, a 3G Prime will do you absolutely no good. HTC, LG, Sony, Acer, Archos, Samsung, and Motorola all already offer carrier-free 3G tablets, none of which are available in the U.S. You can import a 3G Prime from overseas but it'll cost you $700ish. If you get a carrier version, you'll either pay $700ish or have to commit to a two year data plan to get a subsidized price. So unless Asus does something that they nor any manufacturer have never done before, bring a 3G device to the U.S. without carrier support, the 3G announcement doesn't mean a whole lot here. And the iPad's not a relevant comparison. Apple dictates what the carriers do, not vice versa. Asus isn't Apple.
As for a higher spec 10" tablet that makes all the sense in the world. With the Lenovo and Acer already announced with higher-res displays, more RAM, and faster processors, Asus should offer a more premium tablet priced higher than the Prime to compete. Display resolution (whether it matters or not) is going to be the hot topic in tablets in 2012. Venturing a guess, I'd say the premium tablet won't have a keyboard dock still leaving that as the Prime's biggest singular feature.
In spite of all issues I am still buying prime. Why? I don't care about gps - i didn't intend to use it as gps-turn-by-turn device anyway, I love its performance, I love the fact, that we will get unlock tool, I hope we as xda-community will be able to run Win8 and Ubuntu on it.
In regard to other announced primes:
- 3g version - I have good internet plan on my mobile, even now I am just ad-hoc connected from my eee 1000he, i dont plan to sign any other contract for mobile carriers. They are literary robbing me every month anyway .
- HD version in H2. If it is announced for H2, it will be avalible in the week before Christmas in Q4, not a day sooner. I need tablet earlier.
HD screen? Why would you need it? -For movies? -For Christ sake it's a tablet, go to your living room and watch a move on 47'' LCD! If you are away from home - 720p should suffice.
can't wait for windows 8 tablets I will be first in line to get one I really have a lot of games and programs that will only run on windows that I would love to have on tablet.
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can't wait for windows 8 tablets I will be first in line to get one I really have a lot of games and programs that will only run on windows that I would love to have on tablet.
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Programs that currently run on Windows under x86/x64 technology won't run under the ARM version of Windows unless someone compiles a version specifically for ARM processors. In fact most information out there states that the classic desktop interface won't be available on the ARM devices, only the metro interface.
Its pretty screwey for a company to release improved versions of a tablet (in less than 6 months).
A lot of Primes have major defects (GPS is broken on all primes but GPS isnt the only defect some primes have), i was lucky and finally got one that seems perfect so far but I had to order two, first one was crap (bad wifi,bad bluetooth,slow performance,long bootup time,screen bleed and a lot of FCs in apps).
Even apple gives people at least a year before they drop on a new and improved product. To me it def sounds like bait and switch sales tactics...
Oh well, my prime now is working well (i don't need gps) and i don't see a reason to upgrade for at least a year.
jdbaker82 said:
can't wait for windows 8 tablets I will be first in line to get one I really have a lot of games and programs that will only run on windows that I would love to have on tablet.
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See this is why windows 8 tablet edition is doomed.
The majority of people honestly believe they'll be getting the same windows they'd be getting on a desktop or laptop.
Windows 8 tablet is ARM, not x86. Meaning that you will only be able to run things developed or ported for ARM. You will NOT be able to just run any windows program.
It's yet another OS that needs things written for it specifically trying to play catch up with android and apples app market. I can't see it being useful at all for at least 6 months unless it's incredibly easy to port apps over, and I'm guessing it won't be considering you're looking at different APIs between OSes.
The only leg up this thing has over RIM, HP, and anyone else running something non ios/android is windows has name recognition and large market share in the x86 world. I imagine a lot of folks will be pissed to discover their exes won't just work on a tablet win8 though since I see folks constantly getting this wrong.
One of the things I like about the Prime is the price: $499 is still an industry-leading price for a leading-edge tablet with 32GB storage. I'm guessing that any sort of uber-Prime (HD screen, 2GB RAM, etc.) will be considerably more expensive.
I'm willing to go $650 for the Prime+keyboard dock. Anything more than that and I'd just bite the bullet and step up to an ultrabook and Kindle Fire combo.
So, I want a tablet. I bought my wife a nook color, but by then, my phone was already superior to it. I bought her an iPad 2, she loves it. It is pretty sweet. My 5 year old thought all tablets were nooks, now she calls them all iPads, she says,"what's a tablet?" I tell her it's a portable device that does everything a NetBook does but not as well. Enter the Transformer Prime. I've read the spec sheets, I've read the reviews, and I've read many of the threads here. I still believe, its the nicest Android tablet on the market today. I think the keyboard dock is just the absolute s#it, and for the most part, it seems like everyone that has one is ready to jump ship. But to where? The Transformer Prime S (T301)? I guess after owning a Tegra 2 phone, and feeling ready to upgrade at Christmas, I wonder if this summer won't hold other options. The Tegra 3 uses an A9 cortex, a dated architecture, the Galaxy Tab is due for a new rendition, Jelly Bean will be out soon, and many other factors make me wonder, is this a bad time to buy a Transformer Prime? So I'm asking those who own one, what are you looking at? If you needed to/could afford/whatever other hypothetical/ a second tablet (or 3rd or 4th, whatever) today, what would you get?
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You should wait for prime infinity. It seems to be better with the krait.... but if you want raw power go for the tegra 3. I have the 1 with t3 and its fantastic..
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Also the tf700(infinity) has better gps and wifi connection .. you should wait a few weeks to see how things play out... but if you want a tablet right now tf201 is your best option
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If money doesnt and some time dont matter wait for the Infinity Tab. Its the next best thing, but who knows when its actually available.
If money and time do matter there is nothing better than the prime. Its seriously awesome. Its the best package there is, combination of everything for the smallest price possible. So I'd say go for it. I'd never buy a tablet without a dock. There are sooo many times where i think ah just plug it in. And if its only when im lying on the couch to use it as a stand
You'll always be chasing technology if you sit & wait for what's just around the corner. The Prime is great. Buy one, use it & enjoy it now. Or wait for the better tegra 4/5/6/7/8, ipad 4/5/6 that'll be here tomorrow
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I own the Prime and I'm very happy with it, keyboard included, will buy the 700 when the T43 chip from Nvidia is out somewhere next year (Q3?) Tegra 4 at 2.0GHz sounds very sweet indeed.
Maybe you should wait? Or maybe buy the mighty Prime meanwhile?
Decide wisely!
green750one said:
You'll always be chasing technology if you sit & wait for what's just around the corner. The Prime is great. Buy one, use it & enjoy it now. Or wait for the better tegra 4/5/6/7/8, ipad 4/5/6 that'll be here tomorrow
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Ain't that the truth. I've been chasing technology in the form of building my own PC's for years. If you wait you'll never get anything. You just gotta do it if it feels right.
BTW the Prime is a beast.
green750one said:
You'll always be chasing technology if you sit & wait for what's just around the corner. The Prime is great. Buy one, use it & enjoy it now. Or wait for the better tegra 4/5/6/7/8, ipad 4/5/6 that'll be here tomorrow
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Don't be a ****. Also, the iPad will always be behind hardware wise I mean look at the iPad 3, I only wait for the next one so I can by the previous one (my wife likes apple, and my kids probably will too).
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Ain't that the truth. I've been chasing technology in the form of building my own PC's for years. If you wait you'll never get anything. You just gotta do it if it feels right.
BTW the Prime is a beast.
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Its true, but let's face it, you can upgrade your PC, if you build it right. A tablet, is more like a laptop you buy it and it looks pretty much the way its always gonna look.
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You should wait for prime infinity. It seems to be better with the krait.... but if you want raw power go for the tegra 3. I have the 1 with t3 and its fantastic..
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So the prime infinity us going to have krait? Dual or quad core?
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So the prime infinity us going to have krait? Dual or quad core?
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The wifi-only version will have Tegra 3, the 4G version will have the S4.
Right, because Tegra doesn't support LTE...The benchmarks I've seen show the S4 out performing the Tegra even with only 2 cores, but rendering graphics is still better given the Tegra's better GPU. So, anyone know anything from the Samsung camp tablet-wise?
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So, I want a tablet. I bought my wife a nook color, but by then, my phone was already superior to it. I bought her an iPad 2, she loves it. It is pretty sweet. My 5 year old thought all tablets were nooks, now she calls them all iPads, she says,"what's a tablet?" I tell her it's a portable device that does everything a NetBook does but not as well. Enter the Transformer Prime. I've read the spec sheets, I've read the reviews, and I've read many of the threads here. I still believe, its the nicest Android tablet on the market today. I think the keyboard dock is just the absolute s#it, and for the most part, it seems like everyone that has one is ready to jump ship. But to where? The Transformer Prime S (T301)? I guess after owning a Tegra 2 phone, and feeling ready to upgrade at Christmas, I wonder if this summer won't hold other options. The Tegra 3 uses an A9 cortex, a dated architecture, the Galaxy Tab is due for a new rendition, Jelly Bean will be out soon, and many other factors make me wonder, is this a bad time to buy a Transformer Prime? So I'm asking those who own one, what are you looking at? If you needed to/could afford/whatever other hypothetical/ a second tablet (or 3rd or 4th, whatever) today, what would you get?
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So ... you don't want the Transformer Prime and are asking in the Transformer Prime forum for what tablet to buy
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So ... you don't want the Transformer Prime and are asking in the Transformer Prime forum for what tablet to buy
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No, he might want a prime, but he's not certain, and is asking for opinions to help him come to a decision.
Rogue100 said:
No, he might want a prime, but he's not certain, and is asking for opinions to help him come to a decision.
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exactly this.
im in the same situation, as i bet many others are, not sure wether to get a prime now, or wait 1/2/3/4 weeks/months for the Infinity
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So ... you don't want the Transformer Prime and are asking in the Transformer Prime forum for what tablet to buy
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No. I totally want the prime, what I don't want is buyers' remorse. But I really just wanted a discussion with owners, how they are feeling on the eve of their purchase becoming "outdated".
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No. I totally want the prime, what I don't want is buyers' remorse. But I really just wanted a discussion with owners, how they are feeling on the eve of their purchase becoming "outdated".
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outdated? maybe on someone else's terms/point of view.
my prime is better than some machines i use at my place, and they still work as they are intended too. meaning, just get the device if you like it. devices are all becoming more powerful, it's an always-accelerating process until it hits a wall that's too high to jump.. like it happened to desktops. we had to use more cores. one core cpus evolution stopped @P4/Athlon. same with mobile devices. we're using more cores. chips are getting smaller yes, and that allows for... more cores.
now i think ok, so i've got enough power on a tablet..how about linux on a tablet? for that i would need a keyboard. waaaait.. asus transformer prime, powerful specs+dock/qwerty kb+touchpad.. with an "2" batteries.. got to get my hands on that!
edit: of course, i also read the threads around here before buying it, but i thought that i should just go for it, because i liked the device. plus, nvidia has been a good supporter for linux software, but i won't go into further details into that (the nvidia relation with linux os on the desktops). the first i got the tablet didn't charge, dock was fine. returned it, got a new one. wifi seemed nice (5/10 dBm less than my nexus prime ), gps too (13 locks/14in view on my balcony, inside the house forget it), so i kept it.
so i did and never looked back. now, i've got to, my display has light-bleed issue, but hey, i've kept it more than 15days untouched , the issue appeared, i'm entitled by warranty terms to have my device repaired. if they cannot, i'll will ask for a replacement. if not available, a refund.
i love it.
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I bought the Prime cause I wanted a device that would last at least 5 years. And from what I had seen about the specs the prime fit the bill. Down side is all the problems poor wifi unstable browser Bluetooth unstable if using wifi. But even so out of the box on HC it was awesome until I upgraded to ICS Gps went to **** and wifi started to flake out. Update to .15 killed my TP had to keep it plugged in so the battery would not die sudden restarts the next update fixed the battery drain. Even so when they get the ICS stable it will be a tablet that lasts. With the keyboard station it gets 12 hours battery live for me. I was able to get close to the listed 18 hours but that was with it set up to preserve the battery. Works good for movies but not for games and browsing the web.
So even though it has problems, I would say grab one. Asus has been so far acting in good faith even though at times it may seem otherwise. If you are getting one make sure it is a C3 or C4 serial number avoid the C0,C1,C2 ones due to the problems I have listed and others have posted here.
I picked up my TF201 after looking around for a while and thinking "What is cost-effective, able to play games, do office work, and be a source of entertainment" and there I have the Prime....
Thank you to all who participated, that's all I really wanted, to start a conversation. I learned a lot here, I have decided to and see wait is around the corner. I thank you all for a great and lively discussion.
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I think this is iPad and Transformer Prime killer....tablet with ultra light removable keyboard builded in stk like "smart cover".
http://www.youtube.com/user/surface?feature=results_main
It includes 2x USB ports natively not sure how they squeezed those but Bravo Microsoft. There is Zero use for an iPad at this point and its expensive add-ons, its dead.
Windows RT model: 676 g, 9.3 mm, 10.6" ClearType HD Display, 31.5 W-h, microSD, USB 2.0, Micro HD Video, 2x2 MIMO antennae, 32 GB or 64 GB.
Windows 8 Pro: 903 g, 13.5 mm, 10.6" ClearType Full HD Display, 42 W-h, microSDXC, USB 3.0, Mini DisplayPort Video, 2x2 MIMO antennae, 64 GB or 128 GB.
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Wow amazing commercial, don't know if its a killer but still, fantastic advertising
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I don't know if it will kill the ipad, I hope it will bring serious competition to it tho.
I've been using 8, and I absolutely dig it. I think software wise the pieces are falling into place for windows 8 to be more of a success than people expect. With the tie in with all the content options you will have that MS provides with XBOX. The thing that they are bringing to the table that android hasn't is content.
Let me clarify we do have play but compared to what itunes offers, android lacks. Android tab makers don't seem to see past initial purchase, they seem to just want to sell you another tablet. If there were more content available then android tabs would be continuous streams of revenue.
As far as killing the prime, and as much as I love my Prime I think it kinna "fell on the sword" right after release.
The Microsoft hardware looks brilliant. I have been thoroughly disappointed with Microsoft's mobile offerings to-date. They just never seemed to "get it". I would love it if they finally got it right, but I am skeptical.
The hardware looks amazing. I'm not sold on Windows yet, I just wish there was an Android tablet that had hardware with as much quality and thought put into it as the iPad and seemingly the Surface.
The only reason why i bought prime (first tablet) was to tide over 2012, and wait for win8 tablets to become more affordable.
now that Microsoft is in the game gives me goose bumps...
i will not repeat the mistake i made with prime... will wait for the dust to settle in.
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I look forward to replacing my Prime with the Pro model of the Surface tablet.
Anybody know who's "making" it for them? Hope it's not Asus
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Anybody know who's "making" it for them? Hope it's not Asus
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Nokia?
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That looks pretty cool.. As a few people have said, MS have never really got the mobile bit right.. But we will see!
Cool commercial... Dunno about ipad/prime killer. The magnetic cover looks cool, but I wonder how it will type/sit on your lap for example.
Also, we'll first have to wait for it to actually be available and who knows what kind of other tablets will be out by then.
It's not going to kill anything, maybe apart from MS. (allthough I highly doubt that too).
Unless MS changes their licensing deal, OEMs have to pay too much for win8 making this tablet way too expensive.
Regular customers will not buy it at 400 euro's or more. The even more expensive one, with the ivy bridge chip might hit it big in the corporate section, but I doubt the "big bucks" are made there, in terms of repeating customers and sales of for instance software due too an hugh marketshare.
Maybe in a year or two, when win8 has more marketshare and more people know about the product it might make an impact, but not this specific tablet. (allthough it does look nice). But then again, what do we really know of these tablets? What is the batterylife in real life, what wil be the prices?
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Wow amazing commercial, don't know if its a killer but still, fantastic advertising
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When the Prime was announced, we all said it was a Killer!
The only ones who got killed were the customers and ASUS reputation as quality brand.
Chill out with expectations, when has MS released a product, that was a killer?
Well, They are talking price range on the good one of about $1,000. So it will be going head to head with ultrabooks. So for twice the price a year from now it had best be better!
The last time I saw a keyboard like this was on ZX81.
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Anybody know who's "making" it for them? Hope it's not Asus
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Let's hope not. I think it was a terrible mistake on Google's part to partner with Asus on the Nexus tablet.
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I honestly think that the Surface (and other Windows 8 tablets) will be an Android Tablet killer. MS will probably never make the inroad they need in the phone market, but they have a golden opportunity in tablets. Just think of the myriad of MS fans that have picked up an Android product (like the TFP) just because it is not an iPad. It could, in turn lead to Windows 8 phone sales increases, though, if the Surface (and other Windows 8 tabs) are a success.
I speak from experience as I have purchased now 5 Android tablets searching for the "one". Let me tell you, I haven't found it (though, I have to say the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 is as close as I have gotten thus far).
We also know that MS, like Google, has a road map that is paved with mis-steps (like the Zune - though my Zune 80GB is my favorite MP3) so yes, they still have time to screw this all up!
More and more manufacturers are going to make products like the TFP that actually work - I guess you can say that they will learn from Asus' mistakes.
Exciting tech times we live in! I am not a fanboi of any one OS or manufacturer, so really exciting for me!
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I honestly think that the Surface (and other Windows 8 tablets) will be an Android Tablet killer. MS will probably never make the inroad they need in the phone market, but they have a golden opportunity in tablets.
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The problem is that the boundary between them will blur a lot. It's not clear that tablets by themselves will be a sustainable market. I rather suspect that what will eventually happen is that you'll carry around a core that acts as a phone, but plug it into 'docks' that add things like larger screens, input like keyboards, and so forth. (And, if wireless keeps moving along, maybe not even 'plug in'.)
I will say that I've been a Linux partisan for a while, but I do give MS credit for making solid hardware. There's a reason their mice and keyboards are still popular. From a hardware perspective, this new tablet does look solid and well-thought-out. (Including an actual kickstand? Why isn't that standard on tablets?) I don't have enough experience with Windows 8 to say if the software will really work. The problem is, Microsoft has a history of trouble sealing the deal. (Anyone remember the Zune?)
And I have to say that I'm not as down on the TF201 as some here. My wife surprised me with one (fifteenth anniversary and all), and I've been enjoying it. No, it is not a complete laptop replacement. But - aside from slow and quirky file management - it's been working well for me, and the battery life is delicious.
Maybe a few years down the road I'll buy whatever the 3rd-generation Microsoft tablet is. But for now the advantages aren't enough to make me switch from the TF201.
What I'm expecting:
- Terrible battery life on Pro
- Very high price
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Let's hope not. I think it was a terrible mistake on Google's part to partner with Asus on the Nexus tablet.
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I've been thinking about this as well. I really think that choice may come back to bite Google in the ass.
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according to zdnet, MS is going the Apple route and making it themselves....
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/with-surface-tablet-microsoft-breaks-tradition/12957
Looks like Android police has posted a new Asus TF500T has hit the FCC. They think it may be the replacement for the transformer prime.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...he-fcc-could-it-be-the-new-transformer-prime/
Would be nice if Asus would allow us prime owners a free upgrade.
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Infinity was a replacement for Prime, which is also somewhat broken. This could be a replacement for Infinity.
It is probably their Windows RT tablet.
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It is probably their Windows RT tablet.
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Asus Windows 8 Tablets are
1. Asus Tablet 600 (Tegra 3 ARM)
2. Asus Tablet 810 (Intel Medfield or Cloverfield x86)
Asus TF500T could be Windows 8 tablet... although, not sure exactly where this would fit in their line-up for Windows. However, it most likely is an Android tablet as Engadget, Androidpolice.. and etc are indicating...
I was eyeballing their FCC label which says MSQTF500T thinking maybe MS could mean Microsoft.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/ASUS-TF500T-Tablet-Approved-by-the-FCC-286860.shtml
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I was eyeballing their FCC label which says MSQTF500T thinking maybe MS could mean Microsoft.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/ASUS-TF500T-Tablet-Approved-by-the-FCC-286860.shtml
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Sorry to disappoint
MSQ= the Asustek ID at the FCC.
I've just looked at the TFP internal pictures at the FCC (they were withheld for 6months after approval) https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=1566969 Well worth a look and compare to the production model teardown pictures. In view of the 100's of posts about wifi the antenna picture #33 shows there has been some DIY after the PCB was made.
Should be interesting....
If it is Windows tablet... you have to wonder why Asus would release two ARM tablets based on Tegra..
1. MS Surface is rumored to be launched with $200 (i doubt it but.. whatever, rumor goes) & it'll be impossible for Asus to match that price & H/W
2. Releasing two Tegra 3 tablet (and both of them seem to be 10 in tablet) makes no sense again.. for Asus... when you consider Windows RT & MS Store is at complete infancy (and most OEMs are shunning Windows 8 RT at least until next year....)
If it is Android tablet.... welll..
1. Asus is releasing Android tablets in about every 3 to 4 month (and each with issues & in limited quantity)..... This seems to be old HTC model with their smartphone, just releasing new phone almost every month with very small "upgrade" in spec.... Do they really want to follow HTC model where they are currently having major financial issue?? I can't see how this will go well with current ASUS tablet owners from Tegra 3 generation as well (especially... US... the Prime owners).
2. This only makes sense if it is 7in. tablet..... But we shall see...
MadmanJay said:
Looks like Android police has posted a new Asus TF500T has hit the FCC. They think it may be the replacement for the transformer prime.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...he-fcc-could-it-be-the-new-transformer-prime/
Would be nice if Asus would allow us prime owners a free upgrade.
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Srry but capitalism still exsists
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Its going to be a windows tablet
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Maybe it is going to be the rumored Nexus 10 they are going to build for Google.
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Maybe it is going to be the rumored Nexus 10 they are going to build for Google.
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unlikely. Would be called something else then. It wouldn't go under transformer line.
Cant stand it.
these TF500 and the Nexus 10 rumors are keeping me form buying anything at the moment.
some seem to suggest that the TF500 might in deed be the Nexus 10, other think its a ridiculous idea.
thinking about the nexus 10 (if it even exist) and Asus track record of FCC approving the nexus 7 under memo370t,
to me it seems plausible the TF500 FCC might indeed be for the nexus 10
it makes no sens for asus to indeed role out a tf500 so close to the release of both tf300 and the tf700.
with the specs some where between the tf300 and tf700. i mean what improvements could they possibly make between tf300 and tf700?
the only difference between the two is the display and the cpu.
so would they release a tf500 with the cpu of the tf700 and the display of tf300 or maybe the other way around?
the hd display of the tf700 but the cpu of the tf300??
doesn't make to much sens but it very possible.
it would make a lot more sens for google to put out a nexus 10 as something similar to the tf300 with some minor improvements at a cool $300 bucks, in direct challenge and alternative to both window8 table and the apple ipad.
"demandarin" comments about asus would not give it a Transfomer line name seems sensible too.
but looking at it from the other side if asus would have applied memoX10t to fcc would we then not be much more incline to think that it probably means nexus 10??
just my 2cents
I've known about this model since April as it was mentioned in the Readme file for the ASUS Android USB Drivers (I sent it here: pastebin.com/0UkGtbcS ). In the last version of these drivers they removed the readme file
If we take take a look back at the number of models Asus produced in the eeepc family there maybe a few clues. eeepc family
In the end it was just plain confusing. I really should have learnt my lesson with the 900 that discharged the battery 15% each day when switched off due to poor motherboard design.
Maybe the TF500 is in the works so when they recall the POS Prime for the remaining poor saps that still have one (pi$$ed Gamestop customer here), they don't have to give us an Infinity. Since it is considered an "upgrade".
The TF500 is probably made out of recycled paper, but hey, the gps and wifi actually work.
OK here is my completely worthless prediction (worthless in that it isn't any better a guess than anyone else). The TF500 will be basically a TF700 with a 1280x800 screen. This gives them the following lineup:
TF300 with price reduced to about $300 MSRP. Plastic case and somewhat lesser build quality and slower clocked tegra 3
TF500 priced at about $400 MSRP with metal case and similar to the TF700 but with lower res screen (1280x800)
TF700 remains at its current $500 MSRP
Throw in the fact that the N7 is Asus too and you end up with Asus tablets at $200. $300, $400, and $500
Of course none of this would make any sense unless the price on the TF300 gets down to that $300 price point unless the TF300 is going to be phased out in favor of the TF 500.
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OK here is my completely worthless prediction (worthless in that it isn't any better a guess than anyone else). The TF500 will be basically a TF700 with a 1280x800 screen. This gives them the following lineup:
TF300 with price reduced to about $300 MSRP. Plastic case and somewhat lesser build quality and slower clocked tegra 3
TF500 priced at about $400 MSRP with metal case and similar to the TF700 but with lower res screen (1280x800)
TF700 remains at its current $500 MSRP
Throw in the fact that the N7 is Asus too and you end up with Asus tablets at $200. $300, $400, and $500
Of course none of this would make any sense unless the price on the TF300 gets down to that $300 price point unless the TF300 is going to be phased out in favor of the TF 500.
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If it's only 100 dollars cheaper not sure I would want it, for 350 I would go for it.
Looks like the TF500 is NOT the nexus 10.... Samsung must have beat them to it.
I'm not too stoked about the nexus 10 not having expandable memory. By the time you have music, movies, a couple backups and different ROMs to flash you are out of memory.
Is a Dual-core A15 Eagle CPU in the Nexus 10 better than the Quad core in the Prime?
Well, I may have hit the jackpot last night. My wife said she would like to have a tablet for doing simple stuff like checking her email and lite web surfing without having to haul out her laptop. She then suggests that she really likes my Prime and maybe she could use that and I could get a new one
...Ding, ding, ding, ding....jackpot! Of course I'm having a charging issue with it at the moment so all of this depends on making that work...but thats a separate issue.
The thing is now I have to decide what to get for me to replace the prime and I actually really like my prime. What I love about the prime largely comes from the keyboard dock. Besides the physical keyboard which is a must for me:
1. Extra battery in the dock
2. SD card slot in the dock.
3. USB port in the dock. I use all kinds of things here. USB flash drives, USB wired ethernet, external hard drives, USB input devices, and even multiple devices at the same time with a USB mini hub.
By Prime is unlocked and running Hairy Bean 2.3.1. So I want somthing new that gives me all that functionality I get from the ASUS keyboard dock, is running at least Android 4.2 out of the box, and has the potential to root, unlock and custom ROM later (probably after the warranty expires).
Ideas?
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Well, I may have hit the jackpot last night. My wife said she would like to have a tablet for doing simple stuff like checking her email and lite web surfing without having to haul out her laptop. She then suggests that she really likes my Prime and maybe she could use that and I could get a new one
...Ding, ding, ding, ding....jackpot! Of course I'm having a charging issue with it at the moment so all of this depends on making that work...but thats a separate issue.
The thing is now I have to decide what to get for me to replace the prime and I actually really like my prime. What I love about the prime largely comes from the keyboard dock. Besides the physical keyboard which is a must for me:
1. Extra battery in the dock
2. SD card slot in the dock.
3. USB port in the dock. I use all kinds of things here. USB flash drives, USB wired ethernet, external hard drives, USB input devices, and even multiple devices at the same time with a USB mini hub.
By Prime is unlocked and running Hairy Bean 2.3.1. So I want somthing new that gives me all that functionality I get from the ASUS keyboard dock, is running at least Android 4.2 out of the box, and has the potential to root, unlock and custom ROM later (probably after the warranty expires).
Ideas?
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I wouldn't touch Asus tablets again after the mess they made of the Prime.
I know you want a dock so this doesn't really apply but if I was buying a new tablet any time soon I would probably get the new Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition. The specs look great and I like the s-pen and the multitasking.
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/2014galaxynote10.1/
I suggest Nexus 10, but it has no dock as far as i know.
the only tablets with propitiatory docks are:
1. asus transformer series
2. iPad (BT though)
3. Microsoft surface (LAGGY)
4. Windows tablets (e.g. the lenovo yoga,dell XPS, sony ,etc)
personally, i would get
ONE: Asus PadFone just cause its technically the only tablet you can make 2/3G calls with
(and the asus padfone has 3 "transformable" states [phone --> tablet --> laptop/ultrabook)
PRICE: 1000
TWO Razer Edge PRO, its windows based, and we're android users, but that I7 core and dedicated grpahics is just amazing
PRICE: 1000-3000
I believe HP has just announced a new android tablet with a detachable keyboard as well. I think it is sporting a tegra 4 chip.
http://www8.hp.com/ca/en/ads/x2/slatebook-x2.html
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Not the TF700?
woot.com (and its various woot-ettes) have been running sales on TF300s and TF700s of late. They only do one item per day, but they have like ten thousand sites now, so you might get lucky.
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I believe HP has just announced a new android tablet with a detachable keyboard as well. I think it is sporting a tegra 4 chip.
http://www8.hp.com/ca/en/ads/x2/slatebook-x2.html
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Thanks for all the replies. I was looking hard at the HP with Android and the Tegra 4. Specs wise it looks really good. But....my wife ended up deciding she wanted a Windows based tablet. Not RT but a full Windows. So she ended up buying an HP Envy X2 which is really pretty nice (though a bit pricey at $619 on Amazon). I actually kind of like the thing though...she doesn't much like it now that she has it. Doesn't like Windows 8 at all even though we had been over it using a Surface Pro I have for work. Soooooo, today I downloaded Stardock's Start 8 which puts the Windows 7 start menu back where it belongs and lets you start directly to the desktop where most of her work is anyway. Basically I made it look as much like Windows 7 as I could without actually installing Windows 7.
Oh well. Looks like I'm sticking with my Prime for the foreseeable future. Which actually isn't a bad thing. I've got the latest and greatest from flumpster on there (HB 2.31) and it really works better than ever...actually it works the way Asus should have made it work in the first place. So, not a bad thing at all other than that I spent $619 on something my wife doesn't really like (hope she likes it better when she gets home today and sees how I Windows 7ized it for her).
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Thanks for all the replies. I was looking hard at the HP with Android and the Tegra 4. Specs wise it looks really good. But....my wife ended up deciding she wanted a Windows based tablet. Not RT but a full Windows. So she ended up buying an HP Envy X2 which is really pretty nice (though a bit pricey at $619 on Amazon). I actually kind of like the thing though...she doesn't much like it now that she has it. Doesn't like Windows 8 at all even though we had been over it using a Surface Pro I have for work. Soooooo, today I downloaded Stardock's Start 8 which puts the Windows 7 start menu back where it belongs and lets you start directly to the desktop where most of her work is anyway. Basically I made it look as much like Windows 7 as I could without actually installing Windows 7.
Oh well. Looks like I'm sticking with my Prime for the foreseeable future. Which actually isn't a bad thing. I've got the latest and greatest from flumpster on there (HB 2.31) and it really works better than ever...actually it works the way Asus should have made it work in the first place. So, not a bad thing at all other than that I spent $619 on something my wife doesn't really like (hope she likes it better when she gets home today and sees how I Windows 7ized it for her).
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How can you call a $600 tablet a "replacement" for a tf201? You can buy three tf201s for that and have a lot of change left over. I hate it when people compare the advantages of a $600 item with one that can be had for well under $200. Would you talk about Jaguars when looking for a Chevy replacement?
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How can you call a $600 tablet a "replacement" for a tf201? You can buy three tf201s for that and have a lot of change left over. I hate it when people compare the advantages of a $600 item with one that can be had for well under $200. Would you talk about Jaguars when looking for a Chevy replacement?
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It depends if you was comparing a brand new Chevy to a Jaguar coming to the end of its life cycle.
I hate it when people make analogies and try to make it suit their need. Do you think the Prime was under $200 when brand new?
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It depends if you was comparing a brand new Chevy to a Jaguar coming to the end of its life cycle.
I hate it when people make analogies and try to make it suit their need. Do you think the Prime was under $200 when brand new?
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BS. A 1960's Jag is still worth far more than a Chevy that's being "replaced". (Obviosly the Chevy isn't new either.) And anyone who paid the original price for a tf201 has probably replaced it long ago. There are new 10" tab;ets hitting the market regularly that sell for under $300.
But personally, I'm perfectly happy with my tf201. It is running Android 4.3, gets very good battery life and has an Antu benchmark of 14,562. You'd have a hard time finding a brand new tablet for under $400 that could match those specs.
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BS. A 1960's Jag is still worth far more than a Chevy that's being "replaced". (Obviosly the Chevy isn't new either.) And anyone who paid the original price for a tf201 has probably replaced it long ago. There are new 10" tab;ets hitting the market regularly that sell for under $300.
But personally, I'm perfectly happy with my tf201. It is running Android 4.3, gets very good battery life and has an Antu benchmark of 14,562. You'd have a hard time finding a brand new tablet for under $400 that could match those specs.
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Are you still trying to make that analogy work ?
I paid original price for the tf201 and still have it and so do many others. There has been nothing until now that has really made me want to upgrade.
When people replace things it doesn't have to be the same value as what the old one is worth. I'm pretty sure he can spend what he wants.
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Are you still trying to make that analogy work ?
I paid original price for the tf201 and still have it and so do many others. There has been nothing until now that has really made me want to upgrade.
When people replace things it doesn't have to be the same value as what the old one is worth. I'm pretty sure he can spend what he wants.
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Agree completely. Comparing what I could pay now for a two year old item with what a brand new one costs, doesn't make any sense. You basically have to compare what I originally paid for the Prime, new VS what I would pay today to get a similar new item. I just pulled up my Amazon.Com order for when I originally got my Prime to refresh my memory. Here was what was on it:
Prime: $474.99
Keyboard dock: $110.86
Case: $17.95
32GB Micro SD: $19.49
Shipping: $15.96
Total: $639.25 and I remember thinking I was getting a reasonably good deal at the time.
Take out the SD card and the case and it comes out to $601.81, or about the same price we paid for my Wife's new HP machine which came with the keyboard as standard. Everyone can decide for themselves if they like Windows 8. Hardware wise the Envy X2 is way faster than the Prime and it gets better battery life (similar configuration to the prime with a battery in both the tablet part and the keyboard).
But performance comparisons are not fair either. Of course the brand new Atom out performs the two year old Tegra 3. If I were buying an Android tablet today, I'd be looking for a Tegra 4 or similar,
Here is another way the analogy brakes down. Forget about an old Jag vs an old chevy. A better example is that I just bought a new 2013 Nissan truck. Now those have not changed all that much since introduced in 2005. I could probably buy two or three 2005's for what I paid for the 2013, but hey, I wanted a new one.
One final place where the analogy brakes down. A 1960's Jag qualifies as a "classic"/"vintage" where an outdated piece of computing hardware counts as "land fill" in pretty much everyone's book.
By the way, the whole purpose of this thread was not how much a prime or a windows tablet costs. The Idea was to find a newer, faster, better tablet that would also have all the features I like about the prime. Just saying.
PS: Flumpster, thanks for all your work on HB. It is because of you that the Prime is still relevant at all rather than (as I mentioned above) "land fill". It is also because of you and HB that I don't fee bad about hanging onto the Prime for a while.