So verizon got with htc and added the rezound to there htcdev unlock tool. which is def a win for us but from what a friend who used this with his evo3d on sprint just informed me. is that as soon as you use this tool your device esn is red flag by htc then sent to carrier and all insurance coverage is permanently voided. so if you used this tool and have insurance you might as well cancel it.
so now that this tool has hit for our devices. would it be safe to assume that some dev or devs will be working on a method that unlocks the device without flagging your esn or making the bootloader say relocked if you choose to go back to locked and will this make it easier to achieve S-off .
this is just some info i got from one person who has sprint and did this please correct if this is wrong.
Hopefully not.
Insurance can't be entirely voided. Besides, that is hearsay. Until you can show me that in writing, I don't believe it. I'm sure it voids mechanical problems or software issues but if my phone gets lost... I'm covered. Until you can prove it, everyone needs to just calm down and don't let speculation get out of control.
Sent from my newly unlocked Rezound.. Thank you HTC.
Htc/dev has already said when you use the unlocker you void your warranty and any support from htc. And when you use the unlocker You know that info goes to VZW .
Peter Chou said if you use the unlocker you lose your warranty.
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You warranty is voided upon unlocking the bootloader. I really doubt they can just nullify the insurance in which you pay for a replacement.
you can think whatever you want im just relaying info from my friend who only found this out because he dropped his 3d and cracked the screen when he went to get it fixed thats what they told him after they said they couldnt fix it idk how it is on verizon i suppose u could ask them but ill bet its the same
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you can think whatever you want im just relaying info from my friend who only found this out because he dropped his 3d and cracked the screen when he went to get it fixed thats what they told him after they said they couldnt fix it idk how it is on verizon i suppose u could ask them but ill bet its the same
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he had to replace his 3d with best buys black tie also i found all this out because i called him to ask him how hard it was to do on his 3d and he told me not to do it
This is exactly why I've waited to unlock my device. Not like there's even anything to flash yet.
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This is exactly why I've waited to unlock my device. Not like there's even anything to flash yet.
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agree i just thought id give a heads up to people who got excited about this maybe help save someone a headache
So just say you lost it. Problem solved.
Your friend was lied to by sprint, or he didn't really have insurance. I am on the 3d and have spoken with numerous sprint employees and know a couple people who unlocked with htc and used the insurance to fix their phone from dropping it and what not. It does void the warranty, but not the insurance. But s-off voids your warranty, always has, this isn't different. HTC states it just like it's been stated by devs over the years, you do this at your own risk.
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I don't think there is any douchebaggery here. We void warranties. That's what we do. Buy insurance from an outside source that is willing to accept software modification. Dunno if squaretrade does, but probably.
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Your friend was lied to by sprint, or he didn't really have insurance. I am on the 3d and have spoken with numerous sprint employees and know a couple people who unlocked with htc and used the insurance to fix their phone from dropping it and what not. It does void the warranty, but not the insurance. But s-off voids your warranty, always has, this isn't different. HTC states it just like it's been stated by devs over the years, you do this at your own risk.
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Exactly. this needs to be locked/deleted ASAP before people start freaking out over nothing!
Just stop for a second and think about it, you can get your unlock key without actually unlocking your phone right? Right. So from that point you do whatever it is that you do with the key, throw it in a zip file, put it on a storage drive, delete it, whatever really...the only way Verizon or HTC could know that you actually did use the unlock key would be if you foolishly sent it back in a "unlocked" or "relocked" state. Besides would you really think a company would waste the resources or manpower to pass along a "red flag" to your carrier who would then in turn, go through every account associated and adjust coverage or call customers and ask if they used the key, get real. Furthermore "insurance" like Asurion covers for lost/stolen/damage, and has absolutely nothing to do with warranty. The only thing that happens when you use that tool is that you get a unlock .bin file, if you flash it then yes your hardware warranty is technically void(IF someone could prove it), that's it...period.
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It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty.
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Please understand that you will not be able to return your device to the original state and going forward your device may not be held covered under the warranty for all claims resulting from the unlocking of the bootloader.
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It doesn't even void your warranty. It just voids parts of it that could be caused by you being a dumb-ass.
If something breaks non related to something you could have done with an unlocked boot-loader, it cant be taken away. Even more so, Verizon can NOT cancel something and still keep taking money for it with zero notification. It's very, very illegal.
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It doesn't even void your warranty. It just voids parts of it that could be caused by you being a dumb-ass.
If something breaks non related to something you could have done with an unlocked boot-loader, it cant be taken away. Even more so, Verizon can NOT cancel something and still keep taking money for it with zero notification. It's very, very illegal.
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definitely the truth there
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From HTCDev:
It doesn't even void your warranty. It just voids parts of it that could be caused by you being a dumb-ass.
If something breaks non related to something you could have done with an unlocked boot-loader, it cant be taken away. Even more so, Verizon can NOT cancel something and still keep taking money for it with zero notification. It's very, very illegal.
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I don't know a lot about cell phone companies and warranties. If it is anything like car manufacturer warranties, and I have a feeling it is, then by law the company has to prove the "mod"(sorry car slang) caused the failure to deny warranty service. And this is by law.
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I don't know a lot about cell phone companies and warranties. If it is anything like car manufacturer warranties, and I have a feeling it is, then by law the company has to prove the "mod"(sorry car slang) caused the failure to deny warranty service. And this is by law.
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yep, I mean if you change your intake and then you suck up water because the air filter is in the front bumper in a flood, sure it's void, but if your alternator goes bad, it's covered.
this is just some info i got from one person who has sprint and did this please correct if this is wrong.
im pretty sure i said that^ in the main post it was just something interesting i thought others should know also it wouldnt shock me if they made you jump through hoops because of this if you did crack the screen and they saw your device was flagged and why couldnt they flag it computers can send and input the date changes automatically its not like our esns are stored in a file cabinet do you think that they wouldnt have a software to make these changes for them ...im not saying this is what happens again this is based on one persons experience that i know personally so idk why your tripping out
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this is just some info i got from one person who has sprint and did this please correct if this is wrong.
im pretty sure i said that^ in the main post it was just something interesting i thought others should know also it wouldnt shock me if they made you jump through hoops because of this if you did crack the screen and they saw your device was flagged and why couldnt they flag it computers can send and input the date changes automatically its not like our esns are stored in a file cabinet do you think that they wouldnt have a software to make these changes for them ...im not saying this is what happens again this is based on one persons experience that i know personally so idk why your tripping out
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it's nothing personal, but people will just read the thread title and the first post and freak out, because they don't think, that's why the response was a little, harsh
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it's nothing personal, but people will just read the thread title and the first post and freak out, because they don't think, that's why the response was a little, harsh
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ok i understand what your saying. you are correct people dont do research as they should before they do or dont do things to the devices. and they dont read all the entire thread like some of us. so my bad if i made the title to broad
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I have seen about one hundred posts warning ominously about HTC's unlock voiding the warranty but it appears that no one has really given any thought to the legality of such an action.
This is not about whether rooting will void the warranty. That has always been true if the rooting was somehow non-reversible.
The concern voiced by many is that the unlock will trip a write-once type indicator in the hardware that will permanently watermark the phone as being unlocked. (such as the proverbial blown fuse.)
My analysis is:
HTC cannot push an OTA to every Evo3D unlocking the bootloader that will void warranties. Even if it were optional, the uninformed masses would, of course, accept the update without a second thought. (There is also no setup in the OTA updating system (to my knowledge) for giving warnings about voiding warranties or the like.)
I haven't looked into the details of what jurisdiction governs the warranty contracts on the Evo3D but I am sure there is some prohibition against sneaky ways of voiding the warranty by the manufacturer.
Many have thrown around the idea of a class action suit over the failure of HTC to (at this time) live up to the CEO's promise of unlocking the bootloaders. Such an class action would not likely succeed. However, if the manufacturer pushed an OTA update that voided all Evo 3D warranties, that would probably be a class action worth pursuing.
Further, I do not believe that an non-OTA unlock update that voided warranties would be allowed even if HTC only published the update on the HTC website with explicit warnings about voiding warranties if applied.
HTC would have a very hard time justifying why their own software update should void HTC's warranty on the software and hardware of HTC's own phone.
However, if the warranty contracts are controlled by some off the wall legal jurisdiction, I could be wrong.
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One other thing that just crossed my mind.
To have such a permanent watermarking function at hardware level, HTC would have had to have planned this from development.
The encrypted bootloaders were to be permanent until the policy was changed May 26 (or so).
For HTC to add a write once indicator at that time, they would have had to tear every phone apart and retool the manufacturing line. This seems unlikely.
The only other way they could do this is if the phone was designed with (at that time) unnecessary write once indicators just in case they were needed.
This would be possible but. . . . is it likely?
Any other thoughts?
No lol
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Okay, that's hilarious. Your pic is Chou flipping the customers off and you still trust HTC.
Man, you're one big ball of contradictions aren't you...
(please note, I am starting a flame war with you, I am only joking)
My personal opinion is that HTC has lost a little credibility but . . .
I don't think they are that stupid.
Them unlocking the Evo 3D won't void the warranty any more than them just doing a regular update for bugs. It's rooting that will void the warranty. While it is completely legal to root, the manufacturer does not have to honor their warranty if you do.
Is this real? If HTC unlocks their phone, it voids their warranty? Can we get an aptitude test for registration to this site?
If you are asking if it will void the warranty for XDA to unlock it, unlikely. Never been an issue in the past. I think rooting a device in the US has been deemed 100% legal too. I am not about to search it to find out.
3rd. HTC does little of their own warranty work. Meaning, most phones are covered by Sprint TEP/Assurion. When Sprint or Assurion sends them back you already have a new phone and they don't care who had it. The only time you ACTUALLY use your HTC warranty is if a manufacturer defect affects your phone within the first year and you don't have TEP. Then you send them your device and they will fix it. You get NO loaner phone in the process, so most people don't go this route.
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Them unlocking the Evo 3D won't void the warranty any more than them just doing a regular update for bugs. It's rooting that will void the warranty. While it is completely legal to root, the manufacturer does not have to honor their warranty if you do.
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This is not about whether rooting will void the warranty. That has always been true if the rooting was somehow non-reversible.
The concern voiced by many is that the unlock will trip a write-once type indicator in the hardware that will permanently watermark the phone as being unlocked. (such as the proverbial blown fuse.)
I will update my original post to address this misunderstanding.
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Is this real? If HTC unlocks their phone, it voids their warranty? Can we get an aptitude test for registration to this site?
If you are asking if it will void the warranty for XDA to unlock it, unlikely. Never been an issue in the past. I think rooting a device in the US has been deemed 100% legal too. I am not about to search it to find out.
3rd. HTC does little of their own warranty work. Meaning, most phones are covered by Sprint TEP/Assurion. When Sprint or Assurion sends them back you already have a new phone and they don't care who had it. The only time you ACTUALLY use your HTC warranty is if a manufacturer defect affects your phone within the first year and you don't have TEP. Then you send them your device and they will fix it. You get NO loaner phone in the process, so most people don't go this route.
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Did you read my original post? Did you look at the current poll results?
Please do before you basically ignore the point of the thread?
I was trying to quell fears. However, there are many who seem worried about this.
Also, TEP costs MONEY.
Warranty returns, such as when the USB port fails, do not. The concern is that if a USB port failed and you had applied the unlock, HTC would say that the warranty is void because you unlocked the phone using their update.
I do not think the OTA will actually unlock the phone as 95% of the people don't need it. Only a small portion of the people actually want to unlock the phone. I think the update will push the necessary internal files to the phone allowing people to run a tool that unlocks the phone. This tool will probably give a warning about voiding the warranty, and make you accept it before actually unlocking it. Then making the necessary changes to mark your phone as unlocked.
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Is this real? If HTC unlocks their phone, it voids their warranty? Can we get an aptitude test for registration to this site?
If you are asking if it will void the warranty for XDA to unlock it, unlikely. Never been an issue in the past. I think rooting a device in the US has been deemed 100% legal too. I am not about to search it to find out.
3rd. HTC does little of their own warranty work. Meaning, most phones are covered by Sprint TEP/Assurion. When Sprint or Assurion sends them back you already have a new phone and they don't care who had it. The only time you ACTUALLY use your HTC warranty is if a manufacturer defect affects your phone within the first year and you don't have TEP. Then you send them your device and they will fix it. You get NO loaner phone in the process, so most people don't go this route.
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there are theories flaoting around that HTC may try to "watermark" phones that take the unlock OTA so that it voids the manufacturers warranty.. yes to some of us it sounds crazy, but apparently it is very serious to some people.. and rooting is not illegal, but still does void the warranty.. thats why most devs have disclosures on the things they do that is custom or creates root.. you do this at your own risk, voids warranty, yada yada.. no hate to you sir, but this has been a concern for a while now..
i personally dont think that it would void the warranty, but then again who am i..
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This is not about whether rooting will void the warranty. That has always been true if the rooting was somehow non-reversible.
The concern voiced by many is that the unlock will trip a write-once type indicator in the hardware that will permanently watermark the phone as being unlocked. (such as the proverbial blown fuse.)
I will update my original post to address this misunderstanding.
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Ah, I see. Well, I suppose in that case, my answer to the poll would be that I trust them since it was publicly announced that they would unlock their bootloaders, effectively rendering any backlash from them about it voiding the warranty - a good case for a class action lawsuit, should it come up.
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Them unlocking the Evo 3D won't void the warranty any more than them just doing a regular update for bugs. It's rooting that will void the warranty. While it is completely legal to root, the manufacturer does not have to honor their warranty if you do.
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archos did this. your device would be watermarked and void your warranty.
how 'bout a 4rth option in the poll - i'd gladly give up my warranty for root.
as someone mentioned, seems it would be pretty crazy for HTC to give us an update,that would void the warranty, to their own phone they make. I see no logic in that whatsoever
I'm going to void the warranty by rooting anyway, don't care.
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archos did this. your device would be watermarked and void your warranty.
how 'bout a 4rth option in the poll - i'd gladly give up my warranty for root.
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Prior to HTC unlocking their future devices, I can understand that. After they push an OTA (if they do) then I can't see it voiding the warranty. They'd probably put out a bulletin of sorts to their repair centers and affiliates that allows for warranty repair of a phone that was "watermarked" as being unlocked.
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I'm going to void the warranty by rooting anyway, don't care.
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me too.. me too
oh and can i change my vote??? i really think HTC is the devil..
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I do not think the OTA will actually unlock the phone as 95% of the people don't need it. Only a small portion of the people actually want to unlock the phone. I think the update will push the necessary internal files to the phone allowing people to run a tool that unlocks the phone. This tool will probably give a warning about voiding the warranty, and make you accept it before actually unlocking it. Then making the necessary changes to mark your phone as unlocked.
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I understand your theory, but again, I don't think that many jurisdictions would allow them to have such a voiding.
This is not the same as voiding the warranty by using OEM overclocking software. (I think that some board/CPU manufacturers provide software with the understanding that if you burn it out by O/Cing, the warranty will not cover it)
This is a unlock of encryption that would really just take us back to an unrooted Evo 4G.
I could be wrong but I don't really think that the CEO's promise even implied S-OFF.
I think that the only thing he promised was that the bootloader would no longer use encrypted signatures.
Thus, we would have an S-ON setup just like on the Evo 4G fresh out of the box.
Of course, with the rooting method by the brilliant devs in TEAMWIN, we could then get S-OFF by loading the ENG bootloader (I think).
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archos did this. your device would be watermarked and void your warranty.
how 'bout a 4rth option in the poll - i'd gladly give up my warranty for root.
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What do you mean Archos did this?
They pushed an OTA update that voided warranties by permanently watermarking phones as having been updated?
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I understand your theory, but again, I don't think that many jurisdictions would allow them to have such a voiding.
This is not the same as voiding the warranty by using OEM overclocking software. (I think that some board/CPU manufacturers provide software with the understanding that if you burn it out by O/Cing, the warranty will not cover it)
This is a unlock of encryption that would really just take us back to an unrooted Evo 4G.
I could be wrong but I don't really think that the CEO's promise even implied S-OFF.
I think that the only thing he promised was that the bootloader would no longer use encrypted signatures.
Thus, we would have an S-ON setup just like on the Evo 4G fresh out of the box.
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The nexus S ships with a locked bootloader. You have to manually run a command to unlock it, and it tells you during the process that it voids your warranty. I would assume that will be the case for this update, as the vast majority of people do not require the bootloader to be unlocked.
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The nexus S ships with a locked bootloader. You have to manually run a command to unlock it, and it tells you during the process that it voids your warranty. I would assume that will be the case for this update, as the vast majority of people do not require the bootloader to be unlocked.
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Does it permanently watermark the phone or can the unlocking (and voiding) be reversed?
Okay there is some crazy talk going on in here guys.
HTC pushing an update that unlocks your phone and in turn voids your warranty? Come on get real fellas.
The talk about the update voiding your warranty isn't the update itself doing the void BUT the unlock voiding your warranty. They wont send an OTA to sit there for everyone and people would DL the OTA and their phone would be unlocked just like that. The OTA that would be sent out would ALLOW you to unlock your phone on your own, NOT unlock it for you.
The thought is that HTC will do something like Moto is where when the USER goes into the bootloader and chooses to unlock their device it will mark the phone as voiding its warranty. ONLY then will the phones warranty be voided, NOT for just taking the OTA that enables the function.
Now relocking and being able to have your phone serviced under warranty is all speculation as to if thats possible and if its not then itd be up to the devs to create a workaround for it. Not sure how the Moto devs have handeled this part personally though.
In short the Unlocking and the OTA will be 2 seperate tasks. You take the OTA update, then you have the ability to unlock your phone if you want. If you dont want to unlock then you still have warranty. Again accepting the OTA they push out wont automatically unlock all the phones, itll just give you the ability to do it on your own after.
So I have a Question. I unlocked my bootloader following the HTCdev.com Website and when doing so there was a warning saying that in Unlocking it I MAY void my warranty. I have followed Xboarders instructions to completly Relock the bootloader and boot completly back to stock. If anything goes wrong with my phone via Warranty issues(Such as the screen stops working or a button stops working and there is no Physical damage) will t-mobile warranty the phone without charging me the crazy restocking fee. Has anyone done this before on a different phone. I know on my older galaxy S phone I could but there wasnt the bootloader issue. Thanks for any advice.
Pretty sure that HTC/T-Mo won't charge you because its a hardware fail that could've happened regardless if you unlocked your bootloader
Sent from my HTC Amaze 4G using XDA App
Do you know the best way to confirm this?
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Do you know the best way to confirm this?
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Call them.
these companies work together. If htc knows that someone voided their warranty through the htc dev method, t-mo and asurion prolly know it as well. It doesnt matter if you call them saying "i lost my phone", "someone stole it", "it flew up to the moon", etc - they already know its warranty no longer exist... simple
This isn't directed only at the OP so please don't take offense, but this question has come up so many times, and no one seems to actually be using their brain to come up with a real answer. Since my brain apparently still functions, let me set this straight.
First of all, warranty and insurance are different things. If you pay for the insurance through T-Mobile (which is through Assurion) then it shouldn't matter whether you void your warranty. You would still be covered either way. That's why you pay extra for it.
Second, HTC states that you MAY void your warranty. Which means the warranty still exists, but that if you have a problem with your phone and send it in for warranty repair or replacement and they feel that your issue was caused by unlocking the bootloader and doing something stupid (like bricking it by trying to flash an incompatible radio or something) then they can choose to not honor the warranty.
You guys really need to stop worrying so much.
Also of note, there is currently no way to get back to 100% stock after unlocking the bootloader. You can relock it, but it will say 'relocked' instead of 'locked' indicating that you messed with it. Plus I assume HTC keeps a record of the unique identifier codes that were submitted for an unlock code.
Hopefully this clears things up. You're welcome.
^^^^^^^^^^What he said.
MAY is the operative word.
I thought I bricked my day-old EVO 4G LTE, so I went to the store to switch it out. To my dismay, they found out I was rooted, unlocked, and flagged my account. They told me I would not be able to return it, or swap it. They gave me a number for HTC, which I called in-store. A really nice guy walked me through some stuff and told me unfortunately unlocking voids HTC's warranty but I was free to try to send it in and they would fix it, at-cost.
I was under the impression rooting and unlocking were legal...no?
The reason that rooting and unlocking voids warranty is because doing so gives you access to abilities that were not intended for the average user. You get access to pretty much everything, hardware and all. They place boundaries essentially to limit intentional or unintentional damage, to protect it and you.
There are also security problems that you risk doing so (coming from the book ). If something were to go wrong while not rooted and not locked (all stock) they could easily differentiate from what is your fault and is a manufacturers fault. In all they say its to protect the average user. Always try to return to stock before returning it, as a rule of thumb.
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Always try to return to stock before returning it, as a rule of thumb.
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This. Do some reading, it's definitely very possible to return your phone to factory conditions so they never knew you unlocked the boot loader in the first place.
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This. Do some reading, it's definitely very possible to return your phone to factory conditions so they never knew you unlocked the boot loader in the first place.
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I agree with that..... I also bought a HTC Pico that was "UNLOCKED" from ... Best Buy and HTC said that they would honor the warranty fully.
So if a whole-seller unlocked the PDA / phone it seems to be alright with HTC, but if a developer does a root / unlock to IMPROVE a flawed or almost worthless app or Bloatware situation that that is a NO NO to the manufactures?
That seems to be just a way to VOID / not pay for or exchange a some what POJ they couldn't upgrade or design correctly themselves.
That voiding a warranty for fixing a problem is just an "Enron" around the real problem.
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I was under the impression rooting and unlocking were legal...no?
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"legal" and "warranty" are different things...for example, iOS jailbreak is legal in USA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_jailbreaking#Legal_status) but it voids warranty (http://www.cultofmac.com/52463/apples-official-response-to-dmca-jailbreak-exemption-it-voids-your-warranty/52463/)
So I was recently thinking about how much I wanted to root my phone, but was afraid of losing my warranty. Which got me thinking about the fact that HTC seems to offer a warranty for the One. Would this mean I would be able to ship my phone for a replacement to HTC if something went wrong and they wouldn't care if I unlocked the bootloader? Anybody have any experience in this department?
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So I was recently thinking about how much I wanted to root my phone, but was afraid of losing my warranty. Which got me thinking about the fact that HTC seems to offer a warranty for the One. Would this mean I would be able to ship my phone for a replacement to HTC if something went wrong and they wouldn't care if I unlocked the bootloader? Anybody have any experience in this department?
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Most people who send their phones in to HTC for warranty replacement of hardware don't have any issues. They usually fix the hardware and send it back with no questions asked. If it is software related you may run into issues. Now there is a chance they will not replace your hardware and void your warranty for unlocked bootloader but from what I have read from users that have done this with previous devices they normally replace and ship.
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So I was recently thinking about how much I wanted to root my phone, but was afraid of losing my warranty. Which got me thinking about the fact that HTC seems to offer a warranty for the One. Would this mean I would be able to ship my phone for a replacement to HTC if something went wrong and they wouldn't care if I unlocked the bootloader? Anybody have any experience in this department?
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ROOTING DOES NOT VOID WARRANTY
If you BRICK your device due to something you installed, HTC will probably not cover it, if your screen goes bad, or wifi quits working, or anything else NOT caused by dropping it or getting it wet, AT&T or HTC will cover you.
AT&T's warranty department is the reason I buy phones from them rather than a manufacturer directly.
Something goes wrong, I call At&T, they ship me a new device and a mailing label to send them back my broken one. Takes a couple of days. HTC fixes your device and it can take a couple of weeks.
again ROOTING a phone is NOT a valid reason to deny a warranty claim.
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ROOTING DOES NOT VOID WARRANTY
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again ROOTING a phone is NOT a valid reason to deny a warranty claim.
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Rooting was never mentioned here. Unlocking your bootloader is different, and yes, it could allow them to deny you the warranty claim.
In the end, just because they can doesn't imply that they will deny you.
Almost all instances I've heard of including warranty replacement ended happily for the user. I would argue that even though HTC's replacement process takes a longer time, they're more likely to replace the phone without question.
AT&T = Faster replacements
HTC = Higher success rate if you have really hacked up the device
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Rooting was never mentioned here. Unlocking your bootloader is different, and yes, it could allow them to deny you the warranty claim.
In the end, just because they can doesn't imply that they will deny you.
Almost all instances I've heard of including warranty replacement ended happily for the user. I would argue that even though HTC's replacement process takes a longer time, they're more likely to replace the phone without question.
AT&T = Faster replacements
HTC = Higher success rate if you have really hacked up the device
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The OP mentioned rooting in his first sentence.
I wanted it out there that rooting in itself doesn't void a warranty.
Because we can root by unlocking our bootloaders doesn't mean that an exploit won't be found that roots without doing so.
We've said the same thing now we're just arguing semantics.
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The OP mentioned rooting in his first sentence.
I wanted it out there that rooting in itself doesn't void a warranty.
Because we can root by unlocking our bootloaders doesn't mean that an exploit won't be found that roots without doing so.
We've said the same thing now we're just arguing semantics.
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Doh, so true. Completely missed that in the first sentence too, thanks for pointing it out. :highfive:
Thanks a lot for clearing all that up. I apologize for the initial confusion with my first sentence, as you guys pointed out, it's the bootloader unlock that actually voids the warranty. My fears have been quelled and I'm very excited to take full control of this notification light.
Ok so ive read alot from the pro devs and people on the forums that unlocking your bootloader most "likely" wont void your warrenty esp. if you just relock it by restoring your TA backup and your carefull and clean about it but i have two problems with believing this. They are as fellows.
cant the sony apps just check for root and send a message
the service app knows if its unlocked and since youve entered your imei number to get your key again coulddnt sony send a message with your imei number
isnt the accounts linked between sony and google shared in the least which means the above questions can be passed on with google to sony
according to sony even if it doesnt void the warrenty that you agree to pay an additional repair fee for modified software.
Lets not beat around the bush and just say it would more than likly void your warrenty or at least have some cost. sorry if ive missread items on the forums but if i have read correctly or others have missunderstood as i may have hipefully this clears the air. Cause after all sony is company to make money but to make money they have to keep us happy so i am more than happy to admit i dont have a clue where it lies but i was about to unlock my boot loader when there was all these disclaimers which kinda scared me. my phones already rooted though so i may have already broken those disclaimers. END RANT.
Rooting is fine, as to my knowledge. It's unlocking the bootloader that you lose your "DRM" keys and thus lose warranty. But from what I've read, very few service centers check for that anyway. If all goes downhill, play the ignorance card and pretend that you do not know a thing about that. I'm fairly new to the whole rooting/unlocking scene and still learning, just as you. Also, from what I've been told, you have little to worry about if you have rooted/unlocked your phone.
As far as I understand you only have to pay if your issue is a software fault aka your fault not sonys. A hardware fault is a hardware fault irrelevant of software
I remember someone posting a thread about sony refused to service his phone without a charge for a hardware fault because of the bootloader was unlocked. That's in Australia tho. Not sure how somewhere else is like.
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jeremy.shi said:
I remember someone posting a thread about sony refused to service his phone without a charge for a hardware fault because of the bootloader was unlocked. That's in Australia tho. Not sure how somewhere else is like.
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That's about right. Australia's not the most customer service friendliest country to be in (with literally less than a handful of exceptions, and this is across ALL industries, be it hospitality or electronics.)
The usual immediate reaction to most warranty claims are "you've done something with the phone to cause this," followed be "prove you haven't done this and we'll accept it, unless we can prove the opposite."
Happening with me and my current phone (samsung s3,) which is why I'm on this neck of the woods with the forum as I'm looking or a new phone.
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That's about right. Australia's not the most customer service friendliest country to be in (with literally less than a handful of exceptions, and this is across ALL industries, be it hospitality or electronics.)
The usual immediate reaction to most warranty claims are "you've done something with the phone to cause this," followed be "prove you haven't done this and we'll accept it, unless we can prove the opposite."
Happening with me and my current phone (samsung s3,) which is why I'm on this neck of the woods with the forum as I'm looking or a new phone.
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Well, I don't know. Maybe I'm just lucky. Shops in my suburb offer pretty good customer service. Those people over the phone from my bank, NAB, couldn't be friendlier...the time I had really bad customer service was with Vodafone, but they were not based in Australia. I guess that doesn't count.
Anyway, if after-sale service is what you are looking for, get a nexus from google play store. They are pretty much like Apple I heard. They send you a replacement if there's anything wrong and then you send your phone to them, but you have the get the phone from play store directly in order to get that kinda service. Otherwise, you will be stuck dealing with LG.
I have received really good customer service from Apple, but I guess most people here are mostly android fans.
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Well, I don't know. Maybe I'm just lucky. Shops in my suburb offer pretty good customer service. Those people over the phone from my bank, NAB, couldn't be friendlier...the time I had really bad customer service was with Vodafone, but they were not based in Australia. I guess that doesn't count.
Anyway, if after-sale service is what you are looking for, get a nexus from google play store. They are pretty much like Apple I heard. They send you a replacement if there's anything wrong and then you send your phone to them, but you have the get the phone from play store directly in order to get that kinda service. Otherwise, you will be stuck dealing with LG.
I have received really good customer service from Apple, but I guess most people here are mostly android fans.
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Well I definitely think that Apple has their warranty service down to a tee.
I also think that Telstra's doing this too. What they're doing is creating an extra layer, where they just pretty much "accept" any errors, send it to warranty department to sort out and let you know what the result is. None of this "well, I think you're trying to screw the system, etc etc" talk.
Makes it alot easier. I was at the samsung experience shop and was told by someone who had no tech idea (in the tech/warranty support section, mind you) that I've tampered with the phone and there is no way it will be fixed under warranty, in an attempt to make me feel bad and walk away from trying to get a hardware error (power button,) fixed under warranty. When I tried to explain to them how the bootloader works and how you can reset the counter, they took it as an act of aggression and told me flat "no, you can hand it in but we'll know. Your risk."
I mean, there's no need for that as the phone's going to repair centre to get looked at but they just need to get that swipe in definitely doesn't help add to the customer service experience. But that's pretty much how it is for customer service in Australia.
grungypoo said:
Well I definitely think that Apple has their warranty service down to a tee.
I also think that Telstra's doing this too. What they're doing is creating an extra layer, where they just pretty much "accept" any errors, send it to warranty department to sort out and let you know what the result is. None of this "well, I think you're trying to screw the system, etc etc" talk.
Makes it alot easier. I was at the samsung experience shop and was told by someone who had no tech idea (in the tech/warranty support section, mind you) that I've tampered with the phone and there is no way it will be fixed under warranty, in an attempt to make me feel bad and walk away from trying to get a hardware error (power button,) fixed under warranty. When I tried to explain to them how the bootloader works and how you can reset the counter, they took it as an act of aggression and told me flat "no, you can hand it in but we'll know. Your risk."
I mean, there's no need for that as the phone's going to repair centre to get looked at but they just need to get that swipe in definitely doesn't help add to the customer service experience. But that's pretty much how it is for customer service in Australia.
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Saying about Telstra, just not long ago, a guy on WP posted something about their warranty policy. He said he was asked to sign a piece of paper to declare that if the fault was determined to be caused by the user, he would be charged for the service. I guess they just don't say it out loud to you. Instead, they ask you to sign a legal document that is pretty much an open cheque. However, I never had any personal experience with them. It's just what I read on the internet.
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Saying about Telstra, just not long ago, a guy on WP posted something about their warranty policy. He said he was asked to sign a piece of paper to declare that if the fault was determined to be caused by the user, he would be charged for the service. I guess they just don't say it out loud to you. Instead, they ask you to sign a legal document that is pretty much an open cheque. However, I never had any personal experience with them. It's just what I read on the internet.
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Sounds about right, and that's pretty standard tho'.
I think it's better that way because the techs make the decision based only on the phone they see, not the person who has it.
The only part I'd have a problem with is if they charge people automatically as opposed to giving them a quote first. But then again it stops people from "trying to get it fixed under warranty," if you know what I mean.
In any case, I was at the Samsung shop again today and they guy asked questions about the phone. At first the phone seemed like everything was working, which embarrassed me and had the guy asking if I got the phone wet, but then it started bootlooping, so they swapped it for another phone. I'm still looking at getting a z2 tho'.
hey thanks for the info but has anyone had any reports for hardfaults directly with sony becuase sonys websites say there may be a charge just for unlocking it but they arnt clear?
Why would one unlock the boot loader?
firecard said:
Why would one unlock the boot loader?
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To install a custom ROM.
grungypoo said:
Sounds about right, and that's pretty standard tho'.
I think it's better that way because the techs make the decision based only on the phone they see, not the person who has it.
The only part I'd have a problem with is if they charge people automatically as opposed to giving them a quote first. But then again it stops people from "trying to get it fixed under warranty," if you know what I mean.
In any case, I was at the Samsung shop again today and they guy asked questions about the phone. At first the phone seemed like everything was working, which embarrassed me and had the guy asking if I got the phone wet, but then it started bootlooping, so they swapped it for another phone. I'm still looking at getting a z2 tho'.
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I went to Telstra today to get my phone fixed as Sony advised me that the issue I had was likely to be a hardware problem. It went really well. He did play around with it a bit and verified the problem. He said I would get a brand new unit within a week and he didn't ask me to sign anything. Hopefully I can get my hands on a perfect one soon.
You didn't sign anything? So basically there's no official record of them taking your phone, hopefully all goes well but if not your screwed :-/
Hmm... did he even fill anything in on the computer systems?
Hopefully you remember the guy's name and when you came in if it goes awry.