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Sorry I've been gone for a while, and my old thunderbolt is still running a Senseless version of Gingertheory (gingerbread) Rom, I would like to upgrade to a newer gingerbread rom now...what is the ASOP stuff? please enlighten me on which Rom I should run...I've got a replacement phone from Verizon, my text messages were all screwed up and not coming in properly. Anyways. I guess I should download clockwork mod on my new phone.
I don't need bloatware, just basics and a fast phone with good battery life.
NeoNxz said:
Sorry I've been gone for a while, and my old thunderbolt is still running a Senseless version of Gingertheory (gingerbread) Rom, I would like to upgrade to a newer gingerbread rom now...what is the ASOP stuff? please enlighten me on which Rom I should run...I've got a replacement phone from Verizon, my text messages were all screwed up and not coming in properly. Anyways. I guess I should download clockwork mod on my new phone.
I don't need bloatware, just basics and a fast phone with good battery life.
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The best GB Rom is whichever one you like.
for sense it would be a theory rom. for aosp either liquid or theory.
I am currently running gingeritis3D and i love it. I have not ran any other GB roms but i dont feel the need to. This rom is kicka$$ and so smooth. Got all the sense 3.0 goodies and the only bug that i know of an issue with voicemail which i fixed by just using google voice. I really highly recommend it
I was also told that the latest version (VIII) i based of the latest GB leak so its very stable
So what is ASOP? Can someone explain to me? Is it Senseless??
NeoNxz said:
So what is ASOP? Can someone explain to me? Is it Senseless??
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That's pretty clearly explained in my thread. Link in my sig.
NeoNxz said:
So what is ASOP? Can someone explain to me? Is it Senseless??
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Written by loonatik78
"Sense ROMs: Sense ROMs are built from RUUs, either officially released or leaked. An RUU is the complete update file for a handset; including the bootloader, radio, and ROM. Currently, all Gingerbread Sense ROMs are based on leaked RUUs. Each RUU has a version number, for example 2.10.605.0. The higher the number, the newer it is. Newer is generally better. Devs will usually include the base RUU version number in their OP. I like to think of custom ROMs developed on a common base as a family of sorts. They're going to generally have some similarities. They can have major differences as well. Some things about them won't ever change though.
Sense ROMs come in many flavors; 2.1, 2.1/3.0 hybrid, 3.0. It's really hard to tell what you like until you play with some and get to know them.
AOPS ROMs: AOSP ROMs are not built from leaked or released RUUs. They are built upon code obtained through the Android Open Source Project and are custom built for the devices. HTC, and manufactures in general, don't support AOSP being developed for their device. As a result, AOSP devs basically have to figure it out for themselves which makes the ROMs much more experimental. These ROMs typically come out in 1 or more versions, usually identified by date of release if it's a final release version, or an RC (release candidate) version if it's still in beta testing. Think of the version number and RC/beta number like the RUU number of a Sense ROM. For instance, CM7.0.3 may have several release versions that are only very slightly different. Then you may have several CM7.1.0 Beta or RC candidates that may less stable, but being offered for real world use and user feed back. That's basically the picture for the dInc currently, not the Tbolt, so don't quote me. CM releases are generally going to all look and feel the same and carry the same group of features. OMFGB is going to be making a name for itself with different features and characteristics. You won't know which you like until you try them."
Mig1234 said:
Written by loonatik78
"Sense ROMs: Sense ROMs are built from RUUs, either officially released or leaked. An RUU is the complete update file for a handset; including the bootloader, radio, and ROM. Currently, all Gingerbread Sense ROMs are based on leaked RUUs. Each RUU has a version number, for example 2.10.605.0. The higher the number, the newer it is. Newer is generally better. Devs will usually include the base RUU version number in their OP. I like to think of custom ROMs developed on a common base as a family of sorts. They're going to generally have some similarities. They can have major differences as well. Some things about them won't ever change though.
Sense ROMs come in many flavors; 2.1, 2.1/3.0 hybrid, 3.0. It's really hard to tell what you like until you play with some and get to know them.
AOPS ROMs: AOSP ROMs are not built from leaked or released RUUs. They are built upon code obtained through the Android Open Source Project and are custom built for the devices. HTC, and manufactures in general, don't support AOSP being developed for their device. As a result, AOSP devs basically have to figure it out for themselves which makes the ROMs much more experimental. These ROMs typically come out in 1 or more versions, usually identified by date of release if it's a final release version, or an RC (release candidate) version if it's still in beta testing. Think of the version number and RC/beta number like the RUU number of a Sense ROM. For instance, CM7.0.3 may have several release versions that are only very slightly different. Then you may have several CM7.1.0 Beta or RC candidates that may less stable, but being offered for real world use and user feed back. That's basically the picture for the dInc currently, not the Tbolt, so don't quote me. CM releases are generally going to all look and feel the same and carry the same group of features. OMFGB is going to be making a name for itself with different features and characteristics. You won't know which you like until you try them."
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Thank you...Given this I will go with an AOSP rom..which do you guys prefer?
NeoNxz said:
Thank you...Given this I will go with an AOSP rom..which do you guys prefer?
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Highly subjective question, but i like cyanogen mod. The latest version is generally not posted for it on xda though. Have to go to rootzwiki to find it under their thunderbolt forum.
NeoNxz said:
Thank you...Given this I will go with an AOSP rom..which do you guys prefer?
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Cm7 or omgb/omfgb are good. Can't really go wrong with those
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thunderstick 2.2 is great very smoth find it in rom manager.He also has some great mods to go with it
Im running SHIFTAO5P from DROIDTH3ORY. Its fast and awesome on battery life
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chefmg said:
thunderstick 2.2 is great very smoth find it in rom manager.He also has some great mods to go with it
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I went with thunderstick 2.2...read into the AOSP threads and saw the voice mail issue and don't want any problems now...so far so good! thanks guys
NeoNxz said:
I went with thunderstick 2.2...read into the AOSP threads and saw the voice mail issue and don't want any problems now...so far so good! thanks guys
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The voicemail issues are with Sense ROMS... not AOSP. VM notifications actually work on AOSP.
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I have tried most sense based ROMs, I keep going back to Gingeritis 3D. BAMF is a close second, all other ROMs I have tried I get FC issues, and other wierd **** where I will just flash back to 3D. Keep in mind, each phone is different, so results will vary. Try them all out, nandroid is your friend!
I am wondering given that this device just got honeycomb.. is there any chance of it getting ICS?
Part of the reason I'm wondering is because I am getting my flyer sometime between the 10th and the 17th coming up according to the "estimated delivery date" when I hit buy.
I have had ICS on my captivate before I ever even got to play with Honeycomb.. my mom got the transformer yesterday.. and there are a few minor quirks with honeycomb that I really don't like.. major example being if you pull up the task manager in ICS you can remove windows and close out the programs.. Honeycomb will pull up windows that aren't open.. and it gets cluttered fast if your done with something and seeing 5 or more windows you don't want open, but can't get rid of..
no sign of ICS anytime soon but maybe if kernel source is released and CM9 development someone will port it here. In regards to the task management, yes it can get cluttered but it is better than not having it at all like gingerbread
I'm hoping they'll have the decency to update us or at least release the source code required...
IANAL, but I believe HTC legally has to release the kernel source for anything it releases. If they never release ICS, we may never get a kernel for ICS.
Honeycomb kernel might work, but I'm not sure if HTC is legally required to release honeycomb kernel source.
As far as I am aware, they did/may have use some proprietary software which would screw up our porting efforts.
So it becomes an issue of "will they" and that is what I am wondering.
Personally I don't think we will ever see ICS on the Flyer. Here are my reasons:
1. Not a lot of Flyers were sold so there is not a large user base. Thus, there is not much developer interest.
2. Sense - From what I understand from what developers have said, the kernels that HTC makes are made to work with Sense and will not work with an AOSP build.
These two things combine to make bringing ICS to the Flyer difficult and there is no one around who appears willing to do it.
I really hope that I am wrong about this but I don't think that I am.
Someone want to educate a noob?
How is it that several other devices (including HTC ones, like the Sensation) are getting ICS ports, but the Flyer/View can't? I mean, it seems unlikely that HTC released AOSP kernel sources for other devices, and even if they did, they're certainly not ICS kernels. Why is it so important for us to have an AOSP kernel (and an ICS one, at that) from HTC in order to get CM on the Flyer/View?
Oh, and then there's devices that didn't even have Android like the TouchPad, and devices that don't have their source code released, like the Kindle Fire.
I'm definitely not a developer, so I'm sure there's something I'm missing...I'm just trying to figure out what it is.
I'm repeating what developers told me or wrote here. I don't know if it is right or wrong.
I think the bottom line is that it is easier to have an AOSP kernel.
I think you can build your own kernel but that is much more work and maybe a hard thing to do.
All of the custom ROMs that we have seen for the Flyer are just modified HTC ROMs that come with certain software preinstalled or other kinds of enhancements.
More popular devices have much more developer interest. I would imagine that some less popular device owners get lucky because some developer also owns the device and is willing to spend the time.
So far, one developer said he would try to bring ICS to Flyer. He tried but gave up because of kernel issues. I don't get the impression that he did too much but at least he gave it a go. No other developer has said anything one way or the other.
I'm not holding my breath..
but, I definitely won't give up hope just yet..
The most likely path would be a port of another HTC device that uses the same processor or very similar. SO when some of the other HTC devices are released with ICS around March or so, we might see some goodness, depends on how close the hardware is and if HTC releases some source code.
DigitalMD said:
The most likely path would be a port of another HTC device that uses the same processor or very similar. SO when some of the other HTC devices are released with ICS around March or so, we might see some goodness, depends on how close the hardware is and if HTC releases some source code.
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Makes sense to me.
Shame this device hasn't received more attention.
DigitalMD said:
The most likely path would be a port of another HTC device that uses the same processor or very similar. SO when some of the other HTC devices are released with ICS around March or so, we might see some goodness, depends on how close the hardware is and if HTC releases some source code.
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This is correct and likely the only way we see ICS in a timely manner.
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https://plus.google.com/105502178297258827378/posts/PxQ6cVjVdUd
dingnecros said:
https://plus.google.com/105502178297258827378/posts/PxQ6cVjVdUd
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He's been debunked several times.
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So I guess the big question as far as an official update goes.. is how much effort would HTC have to put out in order to do the upgrade...
And will it be worth it for them to do so..
I guess the pen is the biggest issue prevent the ICS update
Since it only works in Sense ROM, so even we have a perfect CM9, the pen function is wasted
ytwytw said:
I guess the pen is the biggest issue prevent the ICS update
Since it only works in Sense ROM, so even we have a perfect CM9, the pen function is wasted
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Would it be possible to take the pen code from honeycomb and implement it in CM9?
ytwytw said:
I guess the pen is the biggest issue prevent the ICS update
Since it only works in Sense ROM, so even we have a perfect CM9, the pen function is wasted
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I'd be content with an AOSP rom now, with the pen worked in later.
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We will see... if any devs are willing, I am sure as heck willing to help and take a crack at it myself..
You can't do AOSP without HTC's help for the kernel and drivers and since HTC only does sense kernels I'm thinking that's not going to happen. I still think a port of an HTC ICS ROM from another device is the most likely path, unless HTC is feeling exceptionally benevolent toward the Flyer. Perhaps the Jetstream tablet will get ICS and that can be ported...
Just read that RC of the official ICS update for Rezound has leaked online yesterday. So far reviews are positive. Certainly hope this would speed up the process of cooking ICS for our precious Amaze
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/03/htc-rezound-ice-cream-sandwich-rc-update-leaks/
Cool story bro. Too many threads about other devices getting it. If you're talented you can try and port it. Just sayin.
Eat it up! Can you taste the ICS?
So who's started porting sense 4.0? Logically that's the next step since we have S-OFF and ICS. Anybody currently working on a port yet?
This is pure curiosity btw.. In no way am I trying to sound ungrateful or pressure the developers and ROM Chefs.
A few days ago a leaked version of ICS for amaze came out. That has Sense 4.0. The UI is alot more like ASOP version of ICS then 3.0 was.
If you're referring to the one leaked by football (ics 4.03 sense 3.6) then I'm already aware and I'm running it already. If you're referring to a different leak then please post a link.
Well I have to finally break down and ask for a little help with this patchrom stuff. I have been unable to get anything going no matter what I do and what little there is for guides is on the vague side. It does not matter what phone you have been able to get it to work on as long as you have made it work.
I am on the Htc Evo 3d and wanting to do an ICS patchrom with sense. There was an active dev who did the ics rom till he moved on to jb but he did not use patchrom. What I am looking to do is update the ics version from sense 3.5 to sense 4.1. Now you might wonder why I would even care which sense base was used since this is MIUI but a quick look at my work and you will soon understand. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1819904 This is not your typical MIUI rom but a MIUI rom with Sense running on it also. So the sense base update plays into the fact that I add all the sense goodies back into the rom so that it is a hybrid rom. It has all the joys of the MIUI customization along with most of the Sense goodness.
Well any help anyone is willing to give would be greatly appreciated and if you are also on a Sense rom then I would be more than willing to help you bring this to your phone also. As of this moment the 3vo is the only phone to have this unique rom but I would love to share it with more than just the 3vo users since it is an elderly phone quickly losing users to upgrades.
Thanks