EDIT: see post below for first example of Ubuntu Chroot on the Prime.
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Are there any Transformer Prime owners who have chrooted Ubuntu onto their devices?
chroot Ubuntu process for regular Asus Transformer: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1145601
I've done a search on Google and the forums, nada yet. Of course it's been on the market for only a few weeks - however Ubuntu on the Transformer Prime seems like something that might happen pretty quickly.
Ubuntu chroot on top of Android of course is a completely different approach than native Ubuntu. But it's been done on almost every Android device in existence. Not to mention - native Ubuntu takes tremendous hacking, while Ubuntu choot is pretty much a bog-standard process.
Currently waiting for mine to arrive with dock.
Anyone gone ahead and chrooted their Transformer Prime?
What hardware works - SD card? Bluetooth? WiFi? Sound?
I dont think its possible right now without root access, but im definitely looking forward to this as well.
foboi1122 said:
I dont think its possible right now without root access, but im definitely looking forward to this as well.
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n00b mistake
didn't realize that root hadn't been found yet. Looks like there is some thought that waiting for ICS, then rooting makes more sense: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1416959&highlight=root
And it does make a whole lot more sense than mucking round with Honeycomb rooting.
Come February we'll probably see the first ICS rooting processes, then chroot soon after...
Damn it, please flag your question AS a question.
I thought you were telling us someone had already done this.
alright, done!
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thanks to nachoroot and busybox installer on the market. the resolution is a little grainy with vnc viewer, anyone got a better app for vnc??
EDIT: btw i used matts backtrack5 guide on the forum.. cant seem to find it though :/ backtrack5 is basically ubuntu 11.04 (april 2011) but can be updated
AWESOME!! MUCHO KUDOS!!
zedklind said:
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EDIT: btw i used matts backtrack5 guide on the forum.. cant seem to find it though :/ backtrack5 is basically ubuntu 11.04 (april 2011) but can be updated
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Here you go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079898
zedklind said:
anyone got a better app for vnc??
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Haven't tried it, but Jump Desktop looks relatively good:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.p5sys.android.jump&feature=search_result
robomo said:
AWESOME!! MUCHO KUDOS!!
Here you go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079898
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Perfect . I had the zip from a while back just didn't remember where it was. Ubuntu should work fine as well. Bt5 seems pretty zippy compaired to it on my g2x but it seems to me the bottleneck is going to be the vnc client
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so am I correct in thinking this is ubuntu running virtually inside android, not a direct boot to ubuntu?
AWESOME ! This is one of the main reasons I want to root my prime. how does the backtrack GUI run over VNC? Any lag? Also are u able to interface with any wifi adapters over USB??
Edit: Has anyone tried interfacing with the wifi card on ATP? it'd be pretty sweet if u can put it on monitor mode.
theoilman said:
so am I correct in thinking this is ubuntu running virtually inside android, not a direct boot to ubuntu?
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yes.
There's several benefits I see:
1) if Ubuntu crashes, you simply restart it within Android. It's like a virtual machine in that way.
2) You can multi-task between full Linux programs, and have instant access to all your android apps at the same time.
3) It's a well established process.
Shoehorning direct-boot Ubuntu onto the Prime would be like trying to go to the moon - a tremendous undertaking by tons of extremely skilled folk. Just look at the amount of blood/sweat/tears it took to get native Ubuntu onto the original Transformer, and it's not even functional on *all* the hardware versions out there.
Firing up a chroot in Android and installing Linux is like getting in your car and driving to the next state- takes a few hours but well proven and relatively easy.
so how's the chroot run then? is it a bit slow or does it run nicely? can it run native linux apps?
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so how's the chroot run then? is it a bit slow or does it run nicely?
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zedklind could answer these questions (mine's not here yet)
Don't see why not - the Prime is a quad core with 1 GB of RAM, faster than any thing on the market currently.
theoilman said:
can it run native linux apps?
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It's a *full fledged* linux install. Everything about it is like you'd find in a regular native linux install, except it's on ARM vs x86.
Everything that's compiled for ARM Linux can run on it - which is thousands of pre-compiled programs including LibreOffice etc etc. And if you can't find the one you want, simply get the source code and compile with GCC!
It's accessed through a VNC client- you "dial in" to it on your own computer.
can it connect to the internet through the built in wifi adapter?
foboi1122 said:
can it connect to the internet through the built in wifi adapter?
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EDIT: you can get internet through android, which ports the internet to Ubuntu.
theoilman said:
so how's the chroot run then? is it a bit slow or does it run nicely? can it run native linux apps?
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It runs pretty well. Faster than my Tegra 2 device. Resolution is off but I think that's fixable. Haven't been able to fiddle too much. At work ATM. I can report back more when I get off work.
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foboi1122 said:
AWESOME ! This is one of the main reasons I want to root my prime. how does the backtrack GUI run over VNC? Any lag? Also are u able to interface with any wifi adapters over USB??
Edit: Has anyone tried interfacing with the wifi card on ATP? it'd be pretty sweet if u can put it on monitor mode.
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I haven't gotten my USB adapter yet. I don't have a dock. I would imagine it would require drivers. Maybe we can make a big deal about low wifi signal to Asus and get them to code drivers for us ;-p
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I would imagine it would require drivers.
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Is there any way to adapt Android drivers for Ubuntu?
robomo said:
Is there any way to adapt Android drivers for Ubuntu?
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Well the Ubuntu piggybacks off of the built in wifi. If we could get drivers for the external nics to work on Android I would imagine it would be relatively easy to get them to work in chroot Ubuntu. As for having the Ubuntu recognize the USB Idk yet. My adapter comes Friday. I have all weekend to fiddle with it. Maybe ics will add support. I'll have to do more research. I really want monitor mode. Grab some handshakes and send them to my desktop at home for gpu analysis ;-)
EDIT: someone beat me to it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1428475
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This is an open call for devs who would like a challenge, and who would like to improve ths usability of our Atrix phones. I'm not a programmer at all, but I have an idea for a webtop replacement app, one that has the potential to be much faster and potentially more universal.
So, we all know that moto's webtop software kinda blows chunks. Its slow and buggy and absolutely not worth buying the lapdock for.
From what I understand, it's a customized, instant-on build of linux. This strikes me as a little stupid, because android already is linux (of sorts), and the limitations of the lapdock sound easier to overcome without a second OS. I don't know much about programming, but I imagine that this can't be the best way to do this.
After seeing an ASUS Transformer in action, I got to thinking. The multiple customized desktops and widgets from android translate pretty well to the bigger screen, and using them with a mouse and keyboard isn't half bad.
Rather than a whole second OS, I would love to see a new launcher, a second set of homescreens that appear when you plug the phone into the lapdock. I'm visualizing something like this:
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One, three or five fully customizable homescreens for widgets and a customizable dock with some apps in it. It doesn't have to look exactly like this, this is just a mock-up. The standard notification curtain is probably good enough as a start, though somebody ambitious could probably do better.
rather than booting up, we could close the phone homescreen and open the laptop homescreen. There might be a bit of a wait when switching while your screen redraws, but after that, it should be very snappy. I don't know how easy it would be to do, but if you can tell apps about the bigger screen size/resolution, you could probably convince them to open in their tablet versions, furthering the bigg(er)-screen experience. Combine that with a tabbed browser (anything from the market) and you've got a solid netbook replacement. play games, or read your gmail on a real screen, without needing a second device. you know, what this lapdock was supposed to be!
I'm guessing this would need to be a root app because of the pixel density and screen size changes, but i have no idea. And i don't know if it'd be easier to do as a separate launcher or as one launcher that does double duty with both phone and laptop homescreens. The only other challenge that I can think of is getting the mouse and keyboard to play nice.
For controls, in adition to using the mouse as fake touch, I was thinking of using the left and right arrow keys to switch screens, and up and down to open the app drawer and notification curtain. Making this user customizable would be ideal.
This has the potential to be totally compatible with the Photon when it comes out, and it probably wouldn't be too much harder to use this to give webtop functionality to any ROM or even any phone with HDMI && usb. Does anyone know if this would work with MHL (ala Sensation and Galaxy S2)?
I really don't know where to start, and there's no way I can do this alone (or even at all, really) so if you have advice or would like to help make this happen, sound off!
so basically you want it to output a upscaled/honeycombed look when HDMI out is present/webtop enviro selected.
it's a nice notion, but i'm doubtful that this will get done. most likely it would involve opening up a second instance of Android from the boot address of the current linux installation. not really sure if that's possible.
This seems a bit steep of a feat, but definitely possible. Devs that are attached to webtop would not have to make sure that it is compatible when making new roms, because they would only need to add the separate launcher.
but again, this could be too steep. Instead, if the into mode is feeling a bit sluggish to you, I might suggest that someone figure out a better windowing manager than motorola's clunky version.
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Before we get into anything... Explain how a little change to webtop is more important then an unlocked bootloader?
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I'm not sure that a change in window manager would help any. Startup time seems pretty similar to what I see when starting the X Windowing System on any box with just a gig of ram. Maybe a lighter weight window manager, such as fluxbox, would help but I'm betting the issue is the same as it is on any other platform....the X window server itself is an inefficient memory hog.
jbrussee said:
Before we get into anything... Explain how a little change to webtop is more important then an unlocked bootloader?
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This is a project that will outlive the atrix. Future phones with unlocked bootloader will have this webtop already complete, or less optimistically, available for porting.
cmcnabb said:
I'm not sure that a change in window manager would help any. Startup time seems pretty similar to what I see when starting the X Windowing System on any box with just a gig of ram. Maybe a lighter weight window manager, such as fluxbox, would help but I'm betting the issue is the same as it is on any other platform....the X window server itself is an inefficient memory hog.
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then I guess somone out to port wayland to android....
good luck with that
first things first
does anyone know of an api public or private to write to the hdmi serial port???
Great idea, and interesting too - however, should be in [Themes and APPS]
Nal, I do not believe we want the Atrix devs working on other phones, basically. Defeats the purpose of modding our atrixs
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moved to proper forum.
almost seems like it would be better to wait for the bootloader to be cracked, then dualboot with ubuntu (or some sort of arm-adapted desktop OS) and startup a gui. Now that's what im waiting for. Anything else just isnt native, and slows up the phone.
arexxk said:
almost seems like it would be better to wait for the bootloader to be cracked, then dualboot with ubuntu (or some sort of arm-adapted desktop OS) and startup a gui. Now that's what im waiting for. Anything else just isnt native, and slows up the phone.
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Well no, that's the point, the reason its so bad is because its running two OS's. Booting up ubuntu is totally not necessary, we already have android, which for most purposes, is enough.
Mr. Clown said:
moved to proper forum.
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Thanks, I wasn't sure where it went
jbrussee said:
Before we get into anything... Explain how a little change to webtop is more important then an unlocked bootloader?
Sent from my GingerBlur'd, de-odex'd, modded Motorola Atrix 4G (ish.)
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This is definitely a different area of development. Every single developer that is interested in the Atrix probably isn't working on the bootloader. I certainly wouldn't want to steal away bootloader devs, as customs ROMs are really important for unleashing this phone. That said, webdock is definitely another weakness of this phone, it isn't as amazing as it could be. I'm sure someone wants to help improve this aspect of the UX.
Orangestrat said:
Well no, that's the point, the reason its so bad is because its running two OS's. Booting up ubuntu is totally not necessary, we already have android, which for most purposes, is enough.
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It is not running two OS's. It is running a single Linux kernel (which is the O/S) plus a scaled down destop environment built from some of the Ubuntu packages (but not Ubuntu in any way, shape, or form) and the android gui environment.
Looking at some process stats, it appears that webtop runs at about half the priority of the Dalvik stuff. Maybe the answer to your perceived problem is just changing that.
There are already several projects in place to open up the webtop environment into a much more vanilla linux experience, without all the motorola lockdown. Check the dev forums.
Hello!
I have HTC EVO 3D GSM VERSION(bought in Bulgaria)
I want to use GARMIN, but it is not supported from Android, so please tell me how i can install Android + Windows Mobile on my phone, so when i want to be able to switch on WIN to use GARMIN, then to get back to Android.
What is the best way this to be done, and the way it will switch faster?
Also please give me links to Windows Mobile and Android version that will work fine on this phone(of course latest versions maybe are better)
Thanks
crazy-master said:
Hello!
I have HTC EVO 3D GSM VERSION(bought in Bulgaria)
I want to use GARMIN, but it is not supported from Android, so please tell me how i can install Android + Windows Mobile on my phone, so when i want to be able to switch on WIN to use GARMIN, then to get back to Android.
What is the best way this to be done, and the way it will switch faster?
Also please give me links to Windows Mobile and Android version that will work fine on this phone(of course latest versions maybe are better)
Thanks
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Will not work.
why not?
whats that: http://pocketnow.com/tweaks-hacks/how-to-dual-boot-windows-mobile-and-android ?
That's to boot Android onto a Windows Mobile device, not WM onto an Android device.
are you sure that there dont have any way to do that ?
i really want to have GARMIN on my phone
crazy-master said:
are you sure that there dont have any way to do that ?
i really want to have GARMIN on my phone
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I think it has to do with the fact that Android is open source, so you can put it on anything if you try hard enough. Windows Mobile, however, is not open source, making it a lot more difficult.
There are tons of apps by Garmin in the Android market. None of those will work for you?
i want GARMIN MOBILE XT(if i am right)
i want the GARMIN NAVIGATION system, like in the GPS navigators which are sold
i am using iGo now, but i prefer garmin
Well, unfortunately, it looks like you're out of luck, since I doubt you'll see Windows Mobile ported to the 3D.
The best option I can offer you is to just use Google Maps Navigation, if it's available in your country.
it could be done. but it would take a lot of time to get it fully functional. you are talking about basically building everything from scratch, having a dedicated partition for it in your system (or maybe your sd card), modifying your boot loader to give you the option to boot into either one (but you would probably have to create a new bootloader to be honest), making drivers, completely new code. i mean seriously it is building a rom completely from scratch. creating new firmware, software... faurk. brah.
i would rather just go buy a windows phone, but on the other hand, i wouldn't, because i think they are utter garbage.
cobraboy85 said:
it could be done. but...
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yes... i am sure that there have way to be done, but i cant do it myself, thats why i am asking if somebody have done that
i dont like windows mobile, so i would stay on android
Just ain't in the cards now is it?
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LOL! Sorry but it just had to be done.
so then why do you care? lol
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yes... i am sure that there have way to be done, but i cant do it myself, thats why i am asking if somebody have done that
i dont like windows mobile, so i would stay on android
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Yes, it could be, but that would be EXTREMELY hard. It would be 1000x easier for someone to just port the app on android, although that would also be kind of hard.
cobraboy85 said:
so then why do you care? lol
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You spelled wolves wrong twice in your sig. Just sayin. LOL.
crazy-master said:
yes... i am sure that there have way to be done, but i cant do it myself, thats why i am asking if somebody have done that
i dont like windows mobile, so i would stay on android
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What about a virtual machine?
I don't know much about windows mobile but I know you can run ubuntu on the Evo 3D using a virtual machine. Maybe it would be possible?
scientist343 said:
I don't know much about windows mobile but I know you can run ubuntu on the Evo 3D using a virtual machine. Maybe it would be possible?
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Since Android is Linux based and Ubuntu is a version of Linux, that makes it a lot easier than porting an completely different OS, unfortunately.
i demand all of you give me the things i need to do whatever i want that is not possible
animal7296 said:
You spelled wolves wrong twice in your sig. Just sayin. LOL.
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haha, i know
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Since Android is Linux based and Ubuntu is a version of Linux, that makes it a lot easier than porting an completely different OS, unfortunately.
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Well yes, they both both use a linux kernel; but i think it also has something to do with ubuntu being open source. Windows mobile is not open source and it would actually be illegal to port it to our device w/o paying M$ wouldn't it?
http://androidroot.mobi/2012/02/23/ubuntu-on-the-transformer-prime/
The guys over at androidroot.mobi have brought us CWM showed us CM9 and now theyre bring us native Ubuntu.
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Let’s look at what does work first:
Wifi – Same patch as for the TF101.
Keyboard (if you have a dock).
USB Host (if you have a dock).
Partially working:
Graphics Acceleration – Only 2D at this point.
Touchscreen – It works but every few touches are off target by 1/2 the screen.
not working or tested:
Bluetooth.
Trackpad.
Sound.
Sensors (ALS, Gyroscope, Accelerometer, GPS, magnetometer).
Shutdown, Reboot, Suspend.
Ooh this looks fun.
Hopefully in the future if Ubuntu releases the code for their Android-Ubuntu, those drivers can be integrated into builds like this for even more stable releases
I liked the linux tablet concept, thought they would be cheaper. But since HP's failure, I got skeptic.
But with this, would we see a change in pattern :
Buy an Android device, go the custom kernel way, choose to use Ubuntu or Android as you like, switch between OS's as often as you like....
Really excited. Hope someone around me decides to do this (Or decides to let me do it to their tab )
roc_vader said:
I liked the linux tablet concept, thought they would be cheaper. But since HP's failure, I got skeptic.
But with this, would we see a change in pattern :
Buy an Android device, go the custom kernel way, choose to use Ubuntu or Android as you like, switch between OS's as often as you like....
Really excited. Hope someone around me decides to do this (Or decides to let me do it to their tab )
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i wish we can get this as a dual boot OS but looks like were going to have to flash it full out through fast boot not to sure though
Awhh Dang i wonder if hai trat will let me change my mind on that refund
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I'm excite!
Wordlywisewiz said:
Awhh Dang i wonder if hai trat will let me change my mind on that refund
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You may still want to if you have never used Linux. Took me a few months to make the transition from windows.
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No I use windows but its just the point I like to be able to use whatever I want on it...
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I'm excite!
You may still want to if you have never used Linux. Took me a few months to make the transition from windows.
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Yea but it has a functionality much more similar to a windows desktop than the stock android OS does. Full applications/filesystem, etc.
Should still be the tablet much more like a laptop
tylermaciaszek said:
i wish we can get this as a dual boot OS but looks like were going to have to flash it full out through fast boot not to sure though
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My first thought as well. I doubt I'd do a full flash over to Ubuntu but would love to have it as a dual boot environment.
i dont think i would leave android for ubuntu but i would defintely flash for a little while to play around
Well, Well.... Ubuntu will probably be strangled in a "****storm" about closed/proprietary software and firmware.
Or some lunatic from FSF comes in and start a "****storm" about that Ubuntu supports closed software.
"Mission impossible".....IMHO !
Extremely excited for this. Tablet running ICS and netbook style Ubuntu.
Edit. Posted in wrong thread. Sorry
Any news? its been awhile.
jellydroid13 said:
Any news? its been awhile.
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Asus is diligently working with the developers and Ubuntu to release a complete Android 4.0 + Ubuntu option, whereby, the TFP displays the typical Android 4.0 Tablet interface when in pure tablet mode (undocked) and when docked with load up Ubuntu.
I wish ... LOL
jellydroid13 said:
Any news? its been awhile.
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Sorry ot but jelly how is that miui.us port coming?
currydude said:
Asus is diligently working with the developers and Ubuntu to release a complete Android 4.0 + Ubuntu option, whereby, the TFP displays the typical Android 4.0 Tablet interface when in pure tablet mode (undocked) and when docked with load up Ubuntu.
I wish ... LOL
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Ahh i see what ya did there!!
Really got my hopes up there!!!
plun said:
Well, Well.... Ubuntu will probably be strangled in a "****storm" about closed/proprietary software and firmware.
Or some lunatic from FSF comes in and start a "****storm" about that Ubuntu supports closed software.
"Mission impossible".....IMHO !
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I doubt that. Ubuntu currently does support 3rd Party proprietary drivers, such as that for Nvidia graphics cards, and codecs on its desktop OS. It has never been a 100% free (as in freedom) OS. There always was support for proprietary and people are okay with it.
currydude said:
Asus is diligently working with the developers and Ubuntu to release a complete Android 4.0 + Ubuntu option, whereby, the TFP displays the typical Android 4.0 Tablet interface when in pure tablet mode (undocked) and when docked with load up Ubuntu.
I wish ... LOL
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Me too, currydude! I too re-he-heaallly wish Asus is doing that. BUT, I don't want it such that it becomes Linux/Ubuntu on docking the keyboard as I don't have it and I don't intend to buy it. I already have a laptop, I don't need another mini laptop/netbook. I would, however LOVE it if Asus allows me to boot into Linux/Ubuntu without even docking the keyboard and let me use my Tablet as a Ubuntu Tablet.
Alas, unless Asus supports this and releases a Linux version themselves, we may never see something working 100% efficiently due to all the Tegra 3 drivers that would be missing due to a lack of support from Asus! :/
Asus. DO. THIS. NOW!!!
some of us just need linux support (not ubuntu), and nvflash.
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We need and want this.
Also, it's the only way to compete with Windows 8 ARM!
If people find Ubuntu good enough we finally might live to see the prophecised "year of the Linux desktop"
Go go go!
Now this would be cool to compile for the Xperia Play: http://blog.xamarin.com/2012/05/01/android-in-c-sharp/ Android re-written in C# instead of Java!
Look at this speed difference:
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Their github source is here: https://github.com/xamarin/XobotOS anyone fancy it?
Seems very good, is there any disavantage using this?
That image that he posted speaks for itself...
The "Time in seconds" is decreased by up to 7 times in mono, compared to dalvik.
That's quite a performance boost, and it would save battery a lot.
i think this should be getting much more attention. looks like a major improvement to android!
anyone tried yet?
That's nice! I thought my phone was already at an okay speed, like riggnix said, this needs more attention.
This is quite amazing, and truly has the same benefits to Java in the sense is you have many editors, portable and anyone can develop and publish in C# without limitations (Referring to Oracle vs Google, as I doubt Microsoft would say "No, we own C# blah blah")
I also prefer .NET over Java for the reasons of speed and rapid development.
There is a Tool sharper .can we with this convert our Rom for play ?
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I'm all about speed this would keep our play around for awhile. Could leave my iPhone at home
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This wouldn't break apps or anything, would it?
To do this would take a monster amount of time and alot of hard work.
We would need an experienced team doing it anyway!
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pricey2009 said:
To do this would take a monster amount of time and alot of hard work.
We would need an experienced team doing it anyway!
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Deal! Thanks for volunteering...
So that's 2 people, anyone else?
Looks interesting! Need any help?
While this would be awesome, is there a even a version of the Mono CLR that will run on ARM?
As a .NET dev though, I would love to be able to write my apps in C#. I really don't feel like learning Java.
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Deal! Thanks for volunteering...
So that's 2 people, anyone else?
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I've already downloaded source. I'm trying to build but I'm not able to use plugin.xml, maybe cause I have a too recent Eclipse.
EDIT: little help, download this version of Eclipse.
EDIT2: Building is not so easy. I think many hours must be spent on this. Maybe it's only that I'm a noob.
I'm going to assume that this will only be for unlocked bootloaders, as the kernel may need to be modified? Just a guess. I have the new 2.3.4 Verizon update, so I'm basically screwed. lol I still have root at least.
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This wouldn't break apps or anything, would it?
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I think this is the problem - unless I'm not fully understanding it. You'll have to run Sharpen on all Java code to get C# code. I'm not sure it is clear whether or not Sharpen can be run on compiled Java/Dalvik byte-code (meaning unless you have the source of the app or can decompile it (which might not be that hard), you can't use it). It would be interesting if it could translate Java/Dalvik byte-code to the .NET common intermediate language/bytecode.
Selim873 said:
I'm going to assume that this will only be for unlocked bootloaders, as the kernel may need to be modified? Just a guess. I have the new 2.3.4 Verizon update, so I'm basically screwed. lol I still have root at least.
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That may not be the case - I think virtual machines like Mono normally run in User Space, and even if there is special support for the Dalvik virtual machine in the Android Kernel, I'd imagine that a Mono port of the Android platform could be made to run on the same kernel. But I may be off on this since I don't have deep knowledge of the Android platform.
Mogul345 said:
While this would be awesome, is there a even a version of the Mono CLR that will run on ARM?
As a .NET dev though, I would love to be able to write my apps in C#. I really don't feel like learning Java.
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The Mono project does mention Mono running on Android/ARM:
http://www.mono-project.com/Mono:ARM
And jumping from C# to Java or from Java to C# isn't actually that much of a leap! I prefer the C# language in general, but I also appreciate Java's general acceptance for its portability ie I'd prefer to write in C# but usually find myself writing in Java either because it is what people expect or the programming environment is more friendly to Java. (Many people still prefer Java because they see C# as a Microsoft thing, which is silly - as the article states it has long since been very formalized, but this is the way people feel)
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In any case, doing anything with this does seem like a huge undertaking. Probably the best target to go for would be to work with XobotOS to Sharpen an AOSP or CyanogenMod build - you could conceivably get it all working. Porting the Google Apps which you don't have the source for would then be the issue - but then even if you could get the Play store working, it'd just give you access to more apps in need of translation. A better solution would probably be to start a new marketplace for XobotOS apps. If a Dalvik emulation layer could be developed to run on top of the Mono engine or in conjunction with it to support execution of Dalvik Android apps that would be the true way forward probably.
What we're talking about here though is a revolution. I'm not sure Android is ready for that - it would cause more fragmentation/divisiveness. But maybe it would be worth exploring - I'm sure there are plenty that would say that Android needs a revolution.
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If the speed inprovements are that drastic, I think it would be worth the revolution.
Especially given google's current legal trouble regarding java.
I would love to see Google turn to this if oracle actually starts turning the legal battle. The only issue is converting almost everything that's already been published and what not.
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If the speed inprovements are that drastic, I think it would be worth the revolution.
Especially given google's current legal trouble regarding java.
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Maybe, though keep in mind that graphic is for a very specific benchmark involving structs and generics and is specifically tailored to highlight Mono. It is unclear whether you would see the same significant improvement in the Android system as a whole. I wouldnt' be surprised if it was still an improvement, just saying how significant it would actually be for Android is still a question. I'd imagine a lot of things would still perform roughly the same, and obviously things making use of native code, the native code would still run the same...
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I would love to see Google turn to this if oracle actually starts turning the legal battle. The only issue is converting almost everything that's already been published and what not.
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Yeah, it would be interesting... and Google could put the necessary weight behind this if they wanted to take this revolutionary step - and implement a Dalvik compatibility layer or tools to auto-convert old apps or help make the transition smoother.
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It's been accomplished.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1632655
why is everyone talking about running desktop Linux on there phones?! THIS IS ABOUT THE NEW UBUNTU PHONE! http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone
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why is everyone talking about running desktop Linux on there phones?! THIS IS ABOUT THE NEW UBUNTU PHONE! http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone
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U know there a 2 version from Ubuntu OS one version to use Ubuntu OS on the smartphone the second for the High End smartphone there is a option to dock it (like webtop/lapdock) and start Ubuntu 12.04 like on the PC.
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^^ Exactly. Why wouldn't a person want want this? I think its awesome especially for those who don't own a computer.
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U know there a 2 version from Ubuntu OS one version to use Ubuntu OS on the smartphone the second for the High End smartphone there is a option to dock it (like webtop/lapdock) and start Ubuntu 12.04 like on the PC.
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Wrong. Ubuntu Phone has the same codebase as Ubuntu on the Cloud, Ubuntu Desktop, Ubuntu on the Nexus 7 etc. That's the whole point. There is just one Operarting System. You can dock any phone for best experience 2 GB RAM and a quad-core ARM CPU is simply recommended.
They demoed the desktop convergence on a phone with the same hardware as the Galaxy Nexus long ago.
I don't really know why they are. It sounds pretty cool at first, but I usually don't bring a desktop monitor around with me, and I do most of my work on my desktop. I don't want 2 full desktop computers.. I think it causes two problems instead of eliminating one.
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I don't really know why they are. It sounds pretty cool at first, but I usually don't bring a desktop monitor around with me, and I do most of my work on my desktop. I don't want 2 full desktop computers.. I think it causes two problems instead of eliminating one.
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I can understand these ideas for the consumer world, but the business world is becoming more and more demanding of this type of technology. Microsoft built W8 and now CIO's can look more closely at mobile/byod options. Canonical just slam-dunked their way into that arena with the Ubuntu phone.
How many iOS or Android data centers have you ever heard of? That would be news to me! The business world is run by MS or some form of Linux. I've seen Red Hat, Suse, and Ubuntu. . . add Ubuntu for phones and now you have the ability to narrow the number of systems management panes to a level competing directly with MS.
I think this rocks!
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^^^ I just want to +++++ the above statement.
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I can understand these ideas for the consumer world, but the business world is becoming more and more demanding of this type of technology. Microsoft built W8 and now CIO's can look more closely at mobile/byod options. Canonical just slam-dunked their way into that arena with the Ubuntu phone.
How many iOS or Android data centers have you ever heard of? That would be news to me! The business world is run by MS or some form of Linux. I've seen Red Hat, Suse, and Ubuntu. . . add Ubuntu for phones and now you have the ability to narrow the number of systems management panes to a level competing directly with MS.
I think this rocks!
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I agree.. and I think that it sounds like a fun concept, too. But how many times have you lost your phone/had it stolen?
Now compare that to how many times you lost your work computer. I don't want to lose all my work. You know what fixes that? Something we call "Syncing", yet canonical thinks it's the very thing that needs to be "solved" yet it's still unavoidable.. Also, most companies lock their computers down to prevent misuse. It would be pretty hard to lock down your phone as many exploits/hacks can unlock a boot loader
and you could flash a new OS onto it.
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But then again, I've never really been fond of Ubuntu since unity, it's changed them.. So maybe I'm just biased.
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I agree.. and I think that it sounds like a fun concept, too. But how many times have you lost your phone/had it stolen?
Now compare that to how many times you lost your work computer. I don't want to lose all my work. You know what fixes that? Something we call "Syncing", yet canonical thinks it's the very thing that needs to be "solved" yet it's still unavoidable.. Also, most companies lock their computers down to prevent misuse. It would be pretty hard to lock down your phone as many exploits/hacks can unlock a boot loader
and you could flash a new OS onto it.
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Personally, I keep my phone on my person 24/7. Never lost it, and the one time I had a phone stolen it was because I left it in my jacket but took it off. If you keep it in either your pocket or your hands, then there's no way you can lose it.
As for locking the phone down, who's to say you can't lock a phone down as securely as a computer? It's not like you can't plug computers into other devices as well. It's not that phones can't be as secure as a computer, it's just that they generally aren't. That's not to say that no-one could come in and fix that.