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Im buying the new transformer prime... but about 4 days ago i was heading out the door to buy an ipad 2 before a friend showed me this great device. So far in the last 4 days since i heard of this tablet ive told 20 different people about this and NO ONE knows about it, NO ONE!! not a soul, and who can blame them?
there's no commercials, there's almost no add campaign at all... there's not even a solid release date yet!!
im finding it hard to make an investment in this company.
I won't get into how much money Apple dunks into marketing their products. This all comes down to how much more they will gain by dumping millions on advertising it. Will they make 10x profit compared to the cost? If they can't get a good estimate, then most company chooses to just let online "press" and retailers advertise in their stead. See how it goes and promote it further. Most people learn about products on TV and the Internet, but what makes them want to buy a product is from knowing someone that owns it or have experienced it first hand. There's no reason for a corporation to invest in marketing a product if it is not a 100% sure hit. It has something to do with corporate decisions.
The EeePad Transformer was a pretty good device with AWESOME support. That is what Asus does. I can verify that is what Asus does best; slow at getting customers, but keeps them forever because they stay behind their products. If you ever purchase their video cards, or other hardware, you will find that Asus will treat you like family.
Apple may have good Customer Support but that lasts how long? 90 days without a warranty?
But also, this is a new product as its not just another Tablet. While current Transformer users love the product, it does seem a little unusual. The Transformer line-up will become a pretty big thing in the next few years I'm sure.
I was surprised that in a group of 20 people 2 recognised Asus Transformer for what it was and no one called it iPad. It was in Poland. I don't know if there were advertisements in TV for it or sth. It's in most big shops though, maybe people know it from their ad flyers (I don't know how it's called - ads for big stores that are left on your front door with information about new promotions).
Android tablets suffer from hardware-war. But the thing is that majority of consumers are mainly interested in CONTENT, not the device and its hardware. This is why Amazon Kindle jumped amazingly fast in sales even though their custom skin for Android and hardware of the device are relatively lacklustre.
Android makers mainly battle with their features and hardware. But that's not the way to make an impact.
I understand word of mouth is a great way to sell products, but since no one i know has ever heard of this thing, i got lucky that some random xbl friend happened to know about it. I find it hard to beleave that ASUS is a marketing geniuses that is using a unique marketing trick which is the opposite of what everyone else does.
Apple has everyone brain washed, including me a little while ago, and thats what ASUS should be striving for.. not hide in the shadows and let the fans do the selling.
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I understand word of mouth is a great way to sell products, but since no one i know has ever heard of this thing, i got lucky that some random xbl friend happened to know about it. I find it hard to beleave that ASUS is a marketing geniuses that is using a unique marketing trick which is the opposite of what everyone else does.
Apple has everyone brain washed, including me a little while ago, and thats what ASUS should be striving for.. not hide in the shadows and let the fans do the selling.
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I don't think anyone's trying to argue that Asus is a marketing genius. But they don't have anywhere close to Apple's financial resources. So instead of a billion dollar ad campaign, they spend that money on developing and continuously supporting their products. Apple may have people brainwashed, but Asus doesn't need to resort to that, as their products speak for themselves.
And if you look at the release of the Transformer 1, which sold much faster than it could be produced initially (and it looks like the same might be the case for the TF2), you can see they must be doing something right.
Thank god I won't have to see a billion other people holding the same device as me. I want to throw up when I see everyone on the bus using the same iPhone.
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Apple may have good Customer Support but that lasts how long? 90 days without a warranty?
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Just wanted to clarify that Apple products have a 1 year warranty included, and you can just drive to an Apple store to get it serviced, and not having to pay to RMA your products by mailing it and wait...
I've been thinking about this tablet, and it's release date wondering why it's not out yet.
All I can think of is
1) Want to get rid of inventory of TF101's
or
2) Really want to wait to get the ICS out with the tablet. Because it significantly increases the performance of the Tegra 3 quad core tablet. Maybe, if they release with Honeycomb, and the Quad core is slightly better performance than Dual core, they look overpriced, and low benchmarks get circulated around the web.
Both are pure speculation without but there has to be some reason it's not out yet.
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Just wanted to clarify that Apple products have a 1 year warranty included, and you can just drive to an Apple store to get it serviced, and not having to pay to RMA your products by mailing it and wait...
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..and have to deal with an Apple Store Genius. I've seen many smarmy Apple users, but these "Geniuses" take it to a new level... No thanks.
They remind me of the "Santa's helper Elves" in A Christmas Story (yeah, the one with Ralphie).
They re definitly waiting for ICS to launch the Prime. And they are right to do so. don't ship an unfinished product, especialy when hopes and demands are so high about it.
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I've been thinking about this tablet, and it's release date wondering why it's not out yet.
All I can think of is
1) Want to get rid of inventory of TF101's
or
2) Really want to wait to get the ICS out with the tablet. Because it significantly increases the performance of the Tegra 3 quad core tablet. Maybe, if they release with Honeycomb, and the Quad core is slightly better performance than Dual core, they look overpriced, and low benchmarks get circulated around the web.
Both are pure speculation without but there has to be some reason it's not out yet.
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Or they want to be sure they have plenty of stock, and that stock it where it's supposed to go, before releasing it. I imagine there's a lot of demand, and more places than ever wanting to sell it. Logistically, it's a lot of work.
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Or they want to be sure they have plenty of stock, and that stock it where it's supposed to go, before releasing it. I imagine there's a lot of demand, and more places than ever wanting to sell it. Logistically, it's a lot of work.
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This is what I'm thinking is the case. The first time around, the TF101 was back-ordered for weeks and the dock didn't launch for a month after the tablet. This is not a fun situation to be in for the company or consumers. I'm sure that not being able to meet demand takes a toll on potential sales.
That said, it is also possible that they are wanting to deliver what had been rumored, since it was within their abilities to do. The tech blogs were making a lot of noise at the end of last month, beginning of this month about the Prime as being the first Tegra 3 and first ICS tablet to market. It does not seem out of the question that Asus would try to live up to the rumors if possible, especially while trying to justify a higher price-point than the original.
well this is making me feel better about ASUS, but my last argument is more of a nuh-uhh then anything else. I still say, even if they lack the resources there should be some small add campaign, a release date, internet adds. I was extremely lucky to find this product.
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To be fair, Asus has service centers all over their home country Taiwan that are similar to Apple's genius bars.
I think it's just because Asus is based in Taiwan that we don't see much of their advertising and great service. They seem to focus most of their efforts in their home country. If you go look around there you'll see Asus ads everywhere.
Just because they don't advertise; makes it a bad product. Most people buy IOS devices because they simply aren't geekish and just want a device that works ,(Not counting the ever annoying and ignorant iSheep/iFanboys).
What i love about Asus, is that the products speak for themselves.
I remember when the HTC Evo 4G had been announced but not yet released... and everyone was clamoring and *****ing, wondering why HTC & Sprint didn't bother with any pre-release advertising and hype. And look, it went to become one of the more popular Android offerings in recent history.
Don't sweat it...
Guys here in the US the Prime is 100% sold out on Amazon, has been since 48 hours from being made available. Doesn't matter if it has commercials or not, it's already making money and isn't even on shelves.
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Android tablets suffer from hardware-war. But the thing is that majority of consumers are mainly interested in CONTENT, not the device and its hardware. This is why Amazon Kindle jumped amazingly fast in sales even though their custom skin for Android and hardware of the device are relatively lacklustre.
Android makers mainly battle with their features and hardware. But that's not the way to make an impact.
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Tegra 3 is better than the A5 Chip.
The GPU in Tegra 3 is actually better than the SGX543, but its 2 GPU not one which is why its benchmark is higher, if you half the score in GLBenchmark for iPad 2 you see that Tegra 3 is btter. So hardware Android isnt far behind.
I am extremely disappointed in your company and the poor business practices.
I purchased a transformer prime based of the specs and supposed solid company making the unit. I read many articles about the issues the prime had but made a poor decision believing the delay in reaching retail was to fix the issues with the unit. After purchasing I found that the GPS is almost useless and our way to fix it was to remove the reference to GPS from the product sheet. This was very underhanded and shows a lack of standing behind your product. I have also lost a SD card because the SD slot was poorly implemented and results in them being easily springing out of the unit.
Now I find out that instead of fixing these issues you decide to scrap the Prime within weeks of release and ship a newer unit and leave us early adopters in the cold. On top of that not only are you releasing a fixed and fully functional unit you upgrade their screen resolution again leaving us out in the cold. I realize that there is always something new on the horizon but you clearly
released an untested unit that is a black eye on you company and instead of making it right you sweep it under the carpet and hope the new
launch will make everyone forget about the troubled prime. The pathetic thing is this will work but thousands of early adopters who spent there
money on your product are left in the corner crying that we have a product that was sold to us not fully functional.
Noted.
-Asus
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Noted.
-Asus
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Yes, Asus only read the thread title and moved on. They are feeling pretty good right now. High fives all around the office.
L3rry said:
High fives all around the office.
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lmao
but the army of betatesters who actually paid for being betatesters are waiting outside with razorblade thin TF201s in their hands
You're just wasting bandwidth
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The new one isn't coming til q2 and it costs more.
Also is asus only allowed to release one product a year or something? Newer better stuff comes out every couple of months.
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Wow, the new features are:
1. Back design change to enhance GPS/Wifi
2. Higher resolution screen
3. 2MP front camera.
This is certainly a bug fix release. How do you sell the current Prime along side the newer one with a $100 different in price for higher res screen and modest increase in MP for front camera? The current prime will be quietly phased out shortly after the release and the price for the new one will drop to the current Prime price. I kind of feel dry fu**** now.
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I kind of feel dry fu**** now.
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would sir like some vaseline?
new hardware is always coming out. do you want to wait another six months and then another six months and then another six months when new hardware keeps getting announced. you pick your point and you dive in the river.
it's just like buying a new car, it depreciates as soon as you drive it off the lot.
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would sir like some vaseline?
new hardware is always coming out. do you want to wait another six months and then another six months and then another six months when new hardware keeps getting announced. you pick your point and you dive in the river.
it's just like buying a new car, it depreciates as soon as you drive it off the lot.
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Only problem is that there is not much new hardware here and it is releasing before they even have stock in retail. It is a bug fix release period.
Wow, people are impatient. This whole GPS thing just happened. Why does anyone expect ASUS to have already decided how they're going to handle it?
If we're in the same place at the end of January, beginning of February, then maybe it'll be time to pull out the pitchforks. Until then, hows about we relax a little?
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would sir like some vaseline?
new hardware is always coming out. do you want to wait another six months and then another six months and then another six months when new hardware keeps getting announced. you pick your point and you dive in the river.
it's just like buying a new car, it depreciates as soon as you drive it off the lot.
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If you buy a 2011 car in July, you know that the 2012's are coming out in the Fall. If you buy a 2012 car in the Fall, you'd assume it'll be "new" until the 2013's come out. How would you feel if they announced a 2012.5 immediately after you purchased? And that the dealer knew and even had the brochures in his desk and didn't show them to you? You may still buy the 2012 but at least you'd have had the option of waiting. Kind of a clunky analogy but it makes the point.
On the plus side Prime owners, all the smug cnuts rubbing our faces in it will get the shaft from Asus in about 6 months so we piss all over them too at that time. And they will have paid more to get screwed over.
The people saying to calm down because new tech comes out often are missing the point. The issue here is that it's pretty clear that the new Prime is coming out to address defects of the current one. It's not a "new" product in the traditional sense.
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Only problem is that there is not much new hardware here and it is releasing before they even have stock in retail. It is a bug fix release period.
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how are they releasing it before there is stock of the tf201? this thing is slated to be out in q2, and with the delays that surrounded the prime and tf101, it probably won't hit stores before fall.
as to the lack of new hardware,
remember the iphone 3gs, 4s?
the droid 3/4/x2?
a plethora of HTC devices?
many companies offer slightly refreshed versions of hardware as "new" versions, it's nothing new and since they are charging more for the new tablet AND it won't be out before june most likely i don't really see the problem.
if anyone is unhappy with this development, everyone here is still in their return windows, no one is holding a gun to anyones head and forcing them to keep the prime.
now what i do find issue with is them not offering to replace the back cover for prime owners who want the better functioning gps/wifi, but since the dimensions seem to be the same (since the docks are compatible) they still could offer something like that for us.
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The people saying to calm down because new tech comes out often are missing the point. The issue here is that it's pretty clear that the new Prime is coming out to address defects of the current one. It's not a "new" product in the traditional sense.
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Exactly. The Asus execs all sat in a room and said, how can we fix our design flaw issue here so it doesn't haunt us all year? Let's fix the back plate design flaw and add a couple of small new things so that it appears to be a new product and slap a new model number on it. Once released, we will quietly phase out the original prime and blame poor sales on the decision. Then we drop the price of the newer prime and all is fixed.
Which is my issue. I understand new tech comes out quickly. I had a Xoom day 1 and in less then a year upgraded it. My issue is that they are being very unethical in how they are handling the design flaws. When did it become acceptable to sell a product that is advertised with certain abilities and then saying later that because you removed it from the spec sheet after launch they are no longer accountable. And when has any company announced an upgrade before the original is truly sitting on shelves.
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Which is my issue. I understand new tech comes out quickly. I had a Xoom day 1 and in less then a year upgraded it. My issue is that they are being very unethical in how they are handling the design flaws. When did it become acceptable to sell a product that is advertised with certain abilities and then saying later that because you removed it from the spec sheet after launch they are no longer accountable. And when has any company announced an upgrade before the original is truly sitting on shelves.
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Agreed. Regardless of whether I decide to keep my Prime or not (I'm leaning towards keeping it, as I want a tablet now and don't see any other suitable alternatives currently available), I will never be buying another product from Asus again. There are plenty of other companies that make similar products. I'll 100% be using them over Asus in the future.
whoopde do. When it comes out in six months i'll sell my prime for $250 or $300 and buy one.
I am not within my window to return it as once you opened the unit many companies will not return them. Best Buy only allows a 14 day window on tablets which is also past for many of us.
adiliyo said:
how are they releasing it before there is stock of the tf201? this thing is slated to be out in q2, and with the delays that surrounded the prime and tf101, it probably won't hit stores before fall.
as to the lack of new hardware,
remember the iphone 3gs, 4s?
the droid 3/4/x2?
a plethora of HTC devices?
many companies offer slightly refreshed versions of hardware as "new" versions, it's nothing new and since they are charging more for the new tablet AND it won't be out before june most likely i don't really see the problem.
if anyone is unhappy with this development, everyone here is still in their return windows, no one is holding a gun to anyones head and forcing them to keep the prime.
now what i do find issue with is them not offering to replace the back cover for prime owners who want the better functioning gps/wifi, but since the dimensions seem to be the same (since the docks are compatible) they still could offer something like that for us.
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Nexus tablet
This is when a Nexus tablet is needed. We know it will be updated by google and if history holds true it will work properly.
Just wondered how much of an impact this new device was having on pre order cancellations.
I've been looking forward to this device for over 6 months. We've essentially ended up with a broken/prototype device whilst Asus promote a *fixed* version.
This is disgusting as far as customer relations go. I'm almost certainly cancelling my pre order tomorrow. Hoping to hear a statement from Asus regarding this complete mess!
Please post screens of your cancelled orders. May be if we can get some numbers regarding impact Asus may listen.
Regards,
One pi55ed off potential customer
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Ive owned my prime for 4 days now, the announcement was the last straw though.
GPS dead, wifi crippled, and now asus is pretty much jumping ship to their new prime 2.0..
Im working on returning it for a refund right now.
I wish I had preordered just to be able to go in and cancel, I'd hope that the store would be left with lots on the shelf. That's the only way we could expect our voices to be heard.
There are far too many people willing to ignore this situation that nothing is going to be done about it.
The TF700 announcement made up my mind
Once Asus started pushing the new model, the message came to me loud and clear.
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Well, I didn't cancel a pre-order but mine was RMA'd for replacement. I switched that to a refund...not too sure if I'm going to bother with ASUS or just wait to see what else is available.
I talked with an agent so I haven't got an email confirmation yet but I'll post when I do.
Here's an announcement for a tab with 1.7 ghz Tegra 3, DDR3 memory and SRS sound.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/08/lenovo-lepad-k2010-ideatab-k2-hands-on/
I would be very angry if the TF700T was priced closer to TF201. Now that would really make me send it back with a nasty letter to Asus. But the fact that it's $100 more for both 32 and 64GB, that tells me Asus didn't just "jump ship". The learned from their stupid mistakes, made a new one and are selling it right alongside with the current one. That means the best bang for your buck tablet is still a Transformer Prime that's only $600 with a 64GB storage.
What bothers me though is the fact that Asus could barely meet demands with this whole pre-order fiasco and has the ****ing balls to go ahead and actually spent time (time that should have been focused on getting me my goddamned Prime) to come out with another product to sell. That tells me either they have A.D.D. or they have A.D.D. and all they want is money. How can they leave the people who pre-ordered left hanging to dry? That, to me, is a piece of **** company.
At this point though I have no choice but to stick to my Prime (TF201) pre-order because my Xoom has been hijacked by my 2-year old and I need a tablet badly --meaning waiting isn't an option and buying another Tegra 2 would be going backwards at this point. FML.
I deal mostly with media and games, the office work belongs to Windows. The TF700 is ideal for streaming hd video specially now that I've upgraded to 6 mbps on my dsl to watch the Netflix hd movies. The new res standards are out and I will let the dust settle before deciding.
As the trend indicates, one thing is for sure, Asus moves faster than other tablet manufacturers.
The new TF700T feels like a "filler". By Q4 and the 2012 holidays, they will have the true 3rd gen Transformer. So whoever pays the extra $100 for the TF700T model, might be in for some serious buyer's remorse. Think about it.
TF1 -> TF2 -> TF2.5 -> (only a few months from the summer) and you've got TF3. Like I said in another thread. The TF700T are for those who badly need the GPS. The higher resolution at a premium of $100 more is baloney. As for the 2MP front-facing camera? That's a gimmick. From 1.3MP to 2MP means nothing. Take it from a photographer and someone who has an 8MP webcam that's supposedly "HD" and "1080p". Skyping still looks crappy.
I'm not knocking on the TF700T, but if you guys want to drop the TF201 for it, think about it really hard. Like I said before, the best bang for your buck is still the TF201. Line up all the Android tablets and you will see all the specs are similar except for the fact that for the same price in a Galaxy Tab 10.1 or a Xoom/Xoom 2, you can have an Asus with double the storage. That to me is very important as I sync my DSLR wirelessly to my tablet to show clients my shots in real time... and RAW files eat storage space like no one's business.
I understand that Asus is pushing products out the order ahead of the others but in their haste the product design and performance turned out faulty. I'm looking forward to the 700 simply because it appears the problem is fixed and the specs are better although I'd like to see a faster clock to handle the higher res.
I just got shafted, Mediamarkt said no returns on licensed products, whatever the phuck that means.
So I guess the dead GPS and shoddy Wifi are "on me".
Asus issued the warranty so you should contact them next to present your case, good luck!
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I understand that Asus is pushing products out the order ahead of the others but in their haste the product design and performance turned out faulty. I'm looking forward to the 700 simply because it appears the problem is fixed and the specs are better although I'd like to see a faster clock to handle the higher res.
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You can rely on devs here to bring that to you in due time, regarding the faster clock speeds. The CPU and GPU will be the same. So it doesn't matter what the clock speeds are set at since you can always change it later on anyway.
I can't blame Asus for designing the aluminum back the way they did. I'm pretty sure their R&D department felt the pressure from higher up to make it so that it pretty much sells as a bundle with the dock. Meaning, they probably said something along the line as "Design the tablet so that people would definitely feel compelled to buy the dock." Hence the designers made it look all aluminum so that when it's shut close with the dock, it looks sexier than a MacBook Air. Remember how Asus was bragging about the swirled brush aluminum design? It was a decision to make a chic looking ultra portable device. I don't think it was in haste, but I do believe the GPS flaw as a result was in hindsight.
As for the TF700T, let's face it. People who will buy that will definitely say "What an ugly netbook this makes!" It looks like two separate devices that clicks into one with the top bit looking really out of place. I have never seen a laptop, in all the years of owning laptops, with a black bar on top like that. That was what Asus wanted to avoid with the TF201 --the matching color, material and texture so that when you buy the dock, you gawk in awe at the handsome "transforming" device.
so whos pissed they cancelled before ICS came out and fixed a majority of the issues?
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I just got shafted, Mediamarkt said no returns on licensed products, whatever the phuck that means.
So I guess the dead GPS and shoddy Wifi are "on me".
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Yeah, Asus will and should cover you. No worries. Get their international toll-free number and give them a call.
Also emphasize the fact that the metal case affects not just gps but wifi and bt as well though not as pronounced is still below par.
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so whos pissed they cancelled before ICS came out and fixed a majority of the issues?
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As someone who has had ICS on my Xoom for about a month now, not to mention waking up to CM9 this morning, I am definitely looking forward to the development on the TF201 Prime. I, for one, am contemplating getting back into devving for the Prime.
Though I like and appreciate the artwork, it is not a prime consideration for me. It can be as rugged and ugly as a military grade laptop as long as the specs are working as advertised. I'm starting to like the 700 because of the new specs that will function without any mods. In that respect, no mod will come up with the 1080p res without slowng it down.
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Also emphasize the fact that the metal case affects not just gps but wifi and bt as well though not as pronounced is still below par.
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The WiFi and BT issue is software, I think. Correct me if I'm wrong. The slower WiFi and shoddy BT due to the aluminum backing is a myth started by paranoid early Prime adaptors. Apple has been making aluminum and magnesium unibodies with no WiFi or BT problems. Concrete or whatever your house has are bigger factors. GPS is a different story.
These wireless devices work on rf with differing frequencies and that affects their ability to pass through or penetrate barries. It could be a combination hw/sw, I'm not exactly sure until they put it on a bench and run a battery of tests. That's what really irritates me about Asus, they've done nothing but cover up the problems.
I've owned an original TF and a Prime ( returned last week due to ongoing issues with the device). Was wondering about total sales of the unit. Do think that the TF101 was a home run for ASUS, and think that the Prime will do well once they resolve the issues. I do recall statements back in the summer of 2011 of 400K per month being shipped, and recent news that ASUS may hit 6M units for 2012. I also remember quite well how the TF101 was the top item within the Amazon market for weeks on end for it's category.
Today i looked at the 3Q 2011 Investor Conference (pdf) available on Asus website.
Couple of things that stood out;
Page 13 Actual shipments for EPAD 2Q 2011 & 3Q 2011 total 1.2M and estimated for 4Q were 0.6M
Page 30 EeePad Business Result total volume shipped 1.6(e) and 85% of that being the TF101
As an aside it looks like Amazon sold at least 3M of the Kindle Fire in 2011. The Zoom and Playbook were a flop not hitting 1M units, I couldn't find data for Samsung
Ipad sales for 2011 40M
40M iPads sold! WOW! They have the tablet market on lock with what to me is essentially a toy. Incredible!
in one month from what I can tell they produced 150k-250k transformer primes and docks in some distribution! so they are doing great! it was probaly more like 2-3 weeks because of the hardware change
also you cant count the kindle fire as it was only sold for a maybe a quater
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>Actual shipments for EPAD 2Q 2011 & 3Q 2011 total 1.2M and estimated for 4Q were 0.6M
Am wondering how this is a "home run." Est Q4 unit sales is half that of Q3. Revenue is probably worse, since most Android tabs were hitting the bargain bins in Oct.
BTW, Apple announced iPad Q4 unit sales were 15.43M.
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>Actual shipments for EPAD 2Q 2011 & 3Q 2011 total 1.2M and estimated for 4Q were 0.6M
Am wondering how this is a "home run." Est Q4 unit sales is half that of Q3. Revenue is probably worse, since most Android tabs were hitting the bargain bins in Oct.
BTW, Apple announced iPad Q4 unit sales were 15.43M.
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4Q sales would have impacted the tf101 because people would have been waiting for the prime. I'd say it was a home run because it was one of the only droid tablets that didn't have to offer steep discounts (ie the thrive, Sony, touchpad, play book, zoom and even the galaxy tab) it also seemed to win numerous awards for best product.
The 1.2m units was 2Q and 3Q combined the tf101 was only released in2Q 2011
OK, went and checked out the Asus Q3 investor glossy: Q2 = 400K, Q3 = 800K, Q4 = 600K est. No surprises, other than that the Americas got lumped into the "other" category, which comprised only 14% of Asus global sales. EU slurped 40%.
>4Q sales would have impacted the tf101 because people would have been waiting for the prime
Doubt it. Q4 (CY, not FY) would be Oct-Nov-Dec, and Prime was only a glimmer in hardcore techies' eyes at that point. Heck, Prime is not even in wide availability yet.
>I'd say it was a home run because it was one of the only droid tablets that didn't have to offer steep discounts
TF101 was on BF sale for $250, and periodically available in Nov/Dec for around $300. Discount wasn't as steep as other Teg2s since its starting price was lower ($400). But all Teg2s were in bargain bin.
>The 1.2m units was 2Q and 3Q combined the tf101 was only released in2Q 2011
Yep, caught that. But drop from 800 to 600 MoM is still pretty crap, especially going into Q4, which should be the best Q of the year. Then again, other Asus product categories also show flat or slight decrease, so I suppose it depends on how rev is reported.
Relative to other Android tabs, I'd have to give Samsung the crown for 2011, then Asus, then, uh, Moto I guess (they cleared 1M for the year). Acer took a bath. Tosh & Lenovo were johnny-come-latelies and didn't matter much. Oh yeah, Amazon KFire and Nook LCDs took a chunk (40% of total Android tab sales).
News of the prime started to hit YouTube when Nov? Or was it earlier. It seemed that every other day back then something was getting leaked via fb or YouTube or a press conference, I'll still say that would have impacted sales of tablets, addin the fact that people were shopping deals and yeah sales were lowing then the previous quarter. And yes we saw that bf sale of 249, but bf like boxing day sales here in Canada are not reflective of price pressure on a product IMHO
Samsung may very well have done quite well, having a 3G unit in wide release sure would have helped. But they did get shut out of some parts of th eu and Australia for some time. Add in what they must have spent on advertising and litigation and I'll stand by my statement that the tf101 performed marginally better
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/oct/28/motorola-xoom-tablet-sales
Edit first news of a new tf prime was mid oct 2011
People don't follow rumors of gadget launches; only the hardcore peeps do. Prime was NOT on sale in Q4. A few early adopters got it early, but even now it's not yet widely available. Don't assume that the mainstream is as gung-ho about Android tabs, or the Prime specifically, as those here.
Let's be honest, all HC tabs flopped. One can quibble whether the TF101 flopped less, but same diff. A home run, it wasn't. As for Prime, well, let's just say that its debut was less than auspicious.
We all hope that ICS will be the silver bullet. Personally, I doubt it. But it should be good enough to stay in the mix. As has been said, it's a marathon. I'm already over ICS, and am looking forward to J-wazzit.
One thing I'll give Asus is that it is leading the Android tab charge, even if by its lonesome self. My read of Shih (CEO) dude is that he thinks of Asus as an avant-garde co, and he's trying to recreate the netbook magic, which Asus was at the forefront of. As mentioned in the glossy, Asus will also lead the Win8 charge, so it'll have its hands full. Perhaps why it dropped the ball on the Prime.
Think about how much advertising there is for the iPad. Everyone has heard of it, everyone knows what it can do.
When i worked at (electronics store) i'd ask people if they heard about the transformer and only one person out of everyone i asked even knew what it was. Most people were very interested in its expanded capability compared to the iPad but there just was no marketing.
The prime has recieved a bit more play, few more people asking about it but lack of stock and few stores carry it in my area, compared to everywhere that carries the iPad.
There is a reason apple wins awards for their advertising, they sink a lot of time and money into it, and it works. Samsung is STARTING to have a higher profile around here but generally Asus is stuck on the sidelines. Soon as the prime is in mainstream advertising and people know how much power / potential it has over the iPad it will sell more.
>i'd ask people if they heard about the transformer and only one person out of everyone i asked even knew what it was
Here's public awareness in a microcosm: Back in July, when I let my 6-yr old niece play with my Nook Color, she went "Oh you got an iPad!" Fast-forward a few months to Nov, when handed same NC, she went "Oh I love your Kindle!"
So yeah, we're getting there eventually...
>Think about how much advertising there is for the iPad.
It's not advertising. Apple doesn't need any. Every move it makes (or doesn't make) is frontline news in every tech blog, and even mainstream news. Them's the perks of being king of the hill.
>Soon as the prime is in mainstream advertising and people know how much power / potential it has over the iPad it will sell more.
May be it'll include a Press here for GPS lock sticker. (OK I stole this off another guy...)
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>Actual shipments for EPAD 2Q 2011 & 3Q 2011 total 1.2M and estimated for 4Q were 0.6M
Am wondering how this is a "home run." Est Q4 unit sales is half that of Q3. Revenue is probably worse, since most Android tabs were hitting the bargain bins in Oct.
BTW, Apple announced iPad Q4 unit sales were 15.43M.
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People don't follow rumors of gadget launches; only the hardcore peeps do. Prime was NOT on sale in Q4. A few early adopters got it early, but even now it's not yet widely available. Don't assume that the mainstream is as gung-ho about Android tabs, or the Prime specifically, as those here.
Let's be honest, all HC tabs flopped. One can quibble whether the TF101 flopped less, but same diff. A home run, it wasn't. As for Prime, well, let's just say that its debut was less than auspicious.
We all hope that ICS will be the silver bullet. Personally, I doubt it. But it should be good enough to stay in the mix. As has been said, it's a marathon. I'm already over ICS, and am looking forward to J-wazzit.
One thing I'll give Asus is that it is leading the Android tab charge, even if by its lonesome self. My read of Shih (CEO) dude is that he thinks of Asus as an avant-garde co, and he's trying to recreate the netbook magic, which Asus was at the forefront of. As mentioned in the glossy, Asus will also lead the Win8 charge, so it'll have its hands full. Perhaps why it dropped the ball on the Prime.
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Fair enough on only the few following the rumors but the 4Q reported are estimates it will be a month or so before we know what sales were. As for the net book market the Zen seems to be getting some good press.
I do wonder tho why such a shortage of Primes I mean I think they've been out for what 6 weeks, and even if they were selling a 100k a week that's still only 600k. If apple can produce and have ready a million units for a launch why wouldnt ASus have at least 250k on release with a supply chain that can deliver 500k a month
There seems to be little planning on either the testing of the product, the testing of ics, or having enough inventory to meet demand. And when one considers that they sold a million units last yr, why would they be performing like this is new territory to them.
As for the new t700 I don't see how that will gain much traction in the market the price point is just too high
You're right the HC tablets were overall a flop and did not so much as bruise Apple (let alone morph into iPad killers)
>Zen seems to be getting some good press.
The Zenbook is lost in the Ultrabook deluge, if CES is any indication. Jury is still out whether the public will pay the (vastly) increased premiums over existing laptops, just to get the Macbook Air clone look. My SWAG: In Intel's wet dreams.
>and even if they [Prime] were selling a 100k a week that's still only 600k
Thousands. May be low tens of.
>If apple can produce and have ready a million units for a launch why wouldnt ASus
It takes time to ramp up production. From rumor mill, iPad 3 component production has already started months ago. Remember, aluminum unibody is new for Asus. The RF thing is part of the teething process. Early adopters = beta testers.
>little planning on either the testing of the product, the testing of ics
To be fair, ICS schedule is out of Asus' hands. Goog is not being vendor friendly. The late ICS release caused vendors to miss out on Xmas season. Ditto with HC last year.
I think in a couple of months, teething issues should be resolved, and Prime should be in prime shape. Be proud to be a member of the Asus Beta Testing Team!
>As for the new t700 I don't see how that will gain much traction in the market the price point is just too high
It depends how iPad 3 w/ QXGA will be priced. TF700 (sans dock) will be same or less.
The TF101 was one of the few Tegra 2 tablets that sold very well. In fact it is one of the top rated tablets of 2011.
As for shortages, take a look at the iPad 2 launch! The iPad 2 was so back ordered that Apple met demand 2 months after the initial launch.
Asus is moving in a very lucrative area for Tablets and they know it. Their 2012 estimates for Tablets and Ultrabooks are very enthusiastic.
Maybe the bottleneck is the Tegra 3 chip itself? Does anyone know nVidia's production numbers on it?
The best part of ICS is less fragmentation. Software is as key as hardware.
iOS gets more development because of numbers of units but also they only have 2 devices to support not 980+
The interesting thing is for us old timers, Android is the apple of the 80's and apple is IBM.
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>Zen seems to be getting some good press.
The Zenbook is lost in the Ultrabook deluge, if CES is any indication. Jury is still out whether the public will pay the (vastly) increased premiums over existing laptops, just to get the Macbook Air clone look. My SWAG: In Intel's wet dreams.
>and even if they [Prime] were selling a 100k a week that's still only 600k
Thousands. May be low tens of.
more reason that we shouldn't see such shortages
>If apple can produce and have ready a million units for a launch why wouldnt ASus
It takes time to ramp up production. From rumor mill, iPad 3 component production has already started months ago. Remember, aluminum unibody is new for Asus. The RF thing is part of the teething process. Early adopters = beta testers.
What? no one in the R&D dept heard of the same issues the iPhone had?
>little planning on either the testing of the product, the testing of ics
To be fair, ICS schedule is out of Asus' hands. Goog is not being vendor friendly. The late ICS release caused vendors to miss out on Xmas season. Ditto with HC last year.
Then ASUS should have held off and ignored the cries for ICS until it was ready for wide release, hell why not simply offer it for those gung hoe geeks that had to have ICS but also have a way to go back to HC. HC has been relatively stable on the TF101
I think in a couple of months, teething issues should be resolved, and Prime should be in prime shape. Be proud to be a member of the Asus Beta Testing Team!
No Thanks.....Sure i may Beta test an OS on an old box to see what's coming down the pipe, but when it comes to a tablet, phone, netbook etc I'm not doing the work for either a lazy nor cheap company.
>As for the new t700 I don't see how that will gain much traction in the market the price point is just too high
It depends how iPad 3 w/ QXGA will be priced. TF700 (sans dock) will be same or less.
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There has to be a compelling reason to not go with Apple, and I don't think that simply not liking them is a large enough market. Android, RIM, Windows8 etc have to meet or exceed Apple on price, features, integration, stability to have a chance of being more then niche products.
There is some potential that Windows8 devices will have a significant impact , part of me is doubtful they (Microsoft) seem to be more reactive then innovative, but (big BUT) if they can bring a device to market that has the features, battery life, integration with the DT and corporate IT infrastructures we'll see some progress in a Utopian platform
Here is a snapshot of the current Android tablet market.
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Saw that graphic last night. In the article i read the data was collected based on app usage for at least 10 seconds. It's not known AFAIK what apps Flurry is able to collect data from and some have suggested that it may be weighted to Apps available via the Amazon Store more so. Factor in the fact that when people get a new device they will be trying all kinds of apps to see the potential of the device. After time that settles down I'd expect when people have their favorites. It's not a true representation of device distribution
Things are changing for Asus
Check it out, Today I am on Targets web site looking for a vacuum, and just for kicks I click on "Comoputers and Tablets" to see what, besides the iPad and Acer Iconia they may offer, thinking I will see a Toshiba Thrive, and maybe a Nook And Kindle, but little else.
There it was, Transformer Prime, 32 Gb. Grey, IN STOCK!
What's next, Walmart?
bex said:
40M iPads sold! WOW! They have the tablet market on lock with what to me is essentially a toy. Incredible!
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why do you see it as a toy?
-Apple announce March 7 and release it on March 16
-Asus announce Transformer TF700t and Asus Transformer Pad Infinity 700 At CES January 10 and we still don't know the release date.
-By the time these products is release all hype will be gone,most of us will be looking elsewhere..
ANDROID MANUFACTURES when you announce a product release in a week or 2 weeks or don't announce it...
Thank you....
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-Apple announce March 7 and release it on March 16
-Asus announce Transformer TF700t and Asus Transformer Pad Infinity 700 At CES January 10 and we still don't know the release date.
-By the time these products is release all hype will be gone,most of us will be looking elsewhere..
ANDROID MANUFACTURES when you announce a product release in a week or 2 weeks or don't announce it...
Thank you....
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You make a great point. Most people will by while still hyped about a product. Let the people buy the product, then let the hype die down after thousands of tablets have been sold, not before!
its because apple waits a whole year before announcing anything. then 2 weeks before they plan on releasing, they announce it. they give no hint of a new device throughout the whole year.
Android gives you a heads up of what's to come since so many different tablets to choose from. Apple has only 1 tablet so no need for a heads up earlier in the year. they let rumours build till the next year.
Apple set the stage for this a few years back when they pulled out of the MacWorld conference and started hosting their own events. That way, they 1) isolate their message and 2) establish an annual upgrade schedule for their products. This is brilliant in a few ways:
1. It creates a built-in base of customers anticipating the next, great Apple product and ready to upgrade. If they don't upgrade annually (say, from the iPad to the iPad 2), then they absolutely upgrade every other year. They offer just enough value to entice those biannual upgraders, and count on the hardcore fans to upgrade every year.
2. It gives the media a chance to plan their stories (i.e., prime the hype pump). Editors and reporters love things they can plan out, and they likely keep their slates clean the month of the next Apple event.
3. It allows them to build out their inventory before announcing, and then release almost immediately. Because of #1 and #2, they're virtually guaranteed to sell out of these initial inventory runs. There's always some wiggle room on when the event actually takes place, so any glitch in supply of a week or two (or three, or a month) can easily be dealt with just by moving the date a bit.
Android manufacturers, however, pretty much rely on CES to show off their best stuff, and CES hardly ever seems to correlate with their product cycles. If they DON'T show at CES, then they're left out of the biggest hype cycle of the year. But by showing at CES when their product cycles are months out, they lose the hype. And Android manufacturers aren't alone, either--consider that HP pretty much killed the TouchPad and Pre 3 by announcing in February (around CES) and not releasing until months later. The same was true for the original Pre, which won Best of Show at CES 2009 but then completely dropped off the radar by the time it actually shipped.
Who knows, maybe Android manufacturers will start synching their product cycles to CES. Or, they'll do like Samsung seems to be doing--holding off on showing their best stuff, like the Galaxy S III, until it's closer to shipping. I have a feeling that the SGSIII will be released a few weeks after it's announced. Same thing with the next-gen Samsung tablet.
But someone like ASUS could NEVER get the traction necessary. It's CES, or fade into oblivion.
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Apple set the stage for this a few years back when they pulled out of the MacWorld conference and started hosting their own events. That way, they 1) isolate their message and 2) establish an annual upgrade schedule for their products. This is brilliant in a few ways:
1. It creates a built-in base of customers anticipating the next, great Apple product and ready to upgrade. If they don't upgrade annually (say, from the iPad to the iPad 2), then they absolutely upgrade every other year. They offer just enough value to entice those biannual upgraders, and count on the hardcore fans to upgrade every year.
2. It gives the media a chance to plan their stories (i.e., prime the hype pump). Editors and reporters love things they can plan out, and they likely keep their slates clean the month of the next Apple event.
3. It allows them to build out their inventory before announcing, and then release almost immediately. Because of #1 and #2, they're virtually guaranteed to sell out of these initial inventory runs. There's always some wiggle room on when the event actually takes place, so any glitch in supply of a week or two (or three, or a month) can easily be dealt with just by moving the date a bit.
Android manufacturers, however, pretty much rely on CES to show off their best stuff, and CES hardly ever seems to correlate with their product cycles. If they DON'T show at CES, then they're left out of the biggest hype cycle of the year. But by showing at CES when their product cycles are months out, they lose the hype. And Android manufacturers aren't alone, either--consider that HP pretty much killed the TouchPad and Pre 3 by announcing in February (around CES) and not releasing until months later. The same was true for the original Pre, which won Best of Show at CES 2009 but then completely dropped off the radar by the time it actually shipped.
Who knows, maybe Android manufacturers will start synching their product cycles to CES. Or, they'll do like Samsung seems to be doing--holding off on showing their best stuff, like the Galaxy S III, until it's closer to shipping. I have a feeling that the SGSIII will be released a few weeks after it's announced. Same thing with the next-gen Samsung tablet.
But someone like ASUS could NEVER get the traction necessary. It's CES, or fade into oblivion.
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This +1000 time over. It looks like Samsung are starting to do their own thing now trying to compete with Apple but for smaller operations like Asus (who appear to not even be able to keep up with demand when one of their products does get hype), it's pretty much CES or bust. Its not just Android manufacturers at CES either, PC manufacturers and the custom PC parts companies have to show of their wares there too and for most of them it doesn't match their release cycles. I had to wait months after seeing the Corsair 600T Special Edition case at CES until I could buy one in Australia, very frustrating but its what they have to do to get it out there.
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Yep. Apple really knows how to treat its customers.
My Apple Experience:
-iPad announced with official release date and all details.
-Available on website for preorder right away.
-They released a map a few days later showing the exact date they will be delivered for every city.
-They release the exact hour and stores where the iPad will be available on release date.
-My iPad arrives at the door on release date.
Prime Experience
-Announced in friggin October or something.
-"Release date gonna be November"
-Delayed
-Release date gonna be December 9, 11, 21, or 23
-Delayed.
-Don't get it before Christmas
-Don't get it before New Year
-Finally get it in January.
If Asus didn't mention nothing about the new Transformer's, i would have bought the transformer prime and be happy with it.
xGary said:
Yep. Apple really knows how to treat its customers.
My Apple Experience:
-iPad announced with official release date and all details.
-Available on website for preorder right away.
-They released a map a few days later showing the exact date they will be delivered for every city.
-They release the exact hour and stores where the iPad will be available on release date.
-My iPad arrives at the door on release date.
Prime Experience
-Announced in friggin October or something.
-"Release date gonna be November"
-Delayed
-Release date gonna be December 9, 11, 21, or 23
-Delayed.
-Don't get it before Christmas
-Don't get it before New Year
-Finally get it in January.
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My prime experience is the same except you can add.
-Got Prime up and running and had Unknown Serial, No GPS, a white spot on the screen and another dark spot
-Finally got ICS by manual update (dealt with other issues)
-Decided to RMA device once Serial Number Unknown wasn't getting fixed OTA
-Sent it in
-Arrived the next day, checked in at Asus 2 days after
-Went straight to repairing for 2 days
-Went to WB5-Waiting for 3 weeks
-Contacted Asus and they said they would refund me and my issues may not get fixed if I wait it out.
Seriously?
This is a piddling thing.
My problem with Android makers is two fold
A) They won't support (i.e. keep the OS current) their old product after the next version comes out
and
B) They keep locking the bootloader so WE can't get support anywhere except from them.
And they don't release their hardware drivers when they stop support.
In short, the whole thing is designed to be disposable in the short term.
Col.Kernel said:
Seriously?
This is a piddling thing.
My problem with Android makers is two fold
A) They won't support (i.e. keep the OS current) their old product after the next version comes out
and
B) They keep locking the bootloader so WE can't get support anywhere except from them.
And they don't release their hardware drivers when they stop support.
In short, the whole thing is designed to be disposable in the short term.
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Then stop *****ing about it here and stop buing Android merchendice!!!!
Ramius71 said:
Then stop *****ing about it here and stop buing Android merchendice!!!!
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Wait, what?
The OP had some gripes, I happen to disagree with what should take priority and now I'm not welcome in this thread, or even on the majority of these boards (at least according to you)?
Col.Kernel said:
Wait, what?
The OP had some gripes, I happen to disagree with what should take priority and now I'm not welcome in this thread, or even on the majority of these boards (at least according to you)?
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ignore him, he's an idiot...or a troll
Sorry if I was a little harsh, but you maybe got a little of my frustration about the *****ing on this forum that has been a bit much lately. Sorry about that.
All I´m saying is if you have that much against Android manufacturers and what they are able to deliver then maybe you should consider to switch to something else.
And if one of the things that is your biggest problem is a locked bootloader....yeah well..
Do you have anyone else in mind that does better?
I think the OP is on to something with what he is adressing. Because this hurts Android as a hole and not just us consumers.
People get their hopes and dreams up only to forget because of the very very long time it goes from launch til release.
The technogeeks like us stays with it, but the "normal" people loose interest quite fast.
That is one of the things that Apple do right imo. They tell everybody that "Hey...we will have this and that for you soon" and they actually deliver a couple of weeks later when the story is still fresh.
None of the Android manufacturers do this. And that is a shame because not only do we as consumers loose upon this, but the companies loose as well.
And the Apple way of doing it do look much more professional to the most of the public. They dont want to wait 2-3 months from they first hear about it until they can buy it.
And I am a Apple "hater", and wish that Android would rule the tablet world as well as the smartphone world.
I can´t stand the "Apple way" but I´m big enough to admit that they do something right.
Apple has their own stores. You cant provide the same experience with 3rd party stores. The way apple releases their products is nearly perfect.
But in my case, the prime situation was very good. I preordered in November and soon after that got a date "late january" - I got my prime around the 20th January and it worked perfectly out of the box (C1). So i'm totally happy with the situation.
What i really dont get though is that Asus decided to announce their new products so far ahead of the release (Tf700+Tf300). I dont see any positives to that.
->It stopped people from buying the tf201.
->before the new tablets get released there was the launch of the ipad 3 (i'm sure asus knew about that) - so alot of customers get lost to a competitor.
->It pisses off tf201 buyers and provokes product returns.
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ignore him, he's an idiot...or a troll
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Or maybe both.
The reason Apple releases so quickly after announcing is because they are already way behind the curve and don't want to fall back any further.
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Its not really Android manufacturers to me but rather most tech companies.
I wish more of them would do it like Apple. Announce something and sell it in 1-2 weeks.
While I understand OP's point,
I respectfully disagree, One have to understand Apple is in a different place with other tablets on the market right now.
They have their own ecosystem, they don't compete with other company that builds systems using the same OS.
They have their own timeline, and with their experience in software/hardware + load of cash.
And Apple customers are loyal, once they are used to apple products its not unlikely for them to switch.
Android is a different story, 10-100s of manufacture competing, every company has something to offer, and since they are offering a very similar user experience (like windows on PC, you are likely to have owned ASUS, Acer, Dell or HP and switch between them). If you don't get a heads up on what's coming a few months earlier, you are very likely to have bought say, the Motorola xoom II, which still runs tegra 2 and was released about 1 month before the prime.
And if you have already bought the xoom II, its very unlikely for you to buy the prime since you had just bought a new tablet.
So now which user has more buyer's remorse?
1. Someone who waits for a quad core tablet to come out, but got delayed for a month or two to receive it.
or
2. Someone who bought the Xoom II, have it for 2 weeks, and to find out the quad core tablet is releasing in 2 weeks?
And I think the reason they announced the TF700/TF300 has to do with a few points:
1. the IPAD3, people know the ipad 3 has retina display, so they have to show that they are working on something with ultra high display too, so android user are less likely to switch to IOS due to the high resolution display.
2. Other Android Manufacture, people know that other android manufatures are going to come up with some in the Android department too, so they have to show something new in order to stand out in CES.
3. X'mas is too close to CES, they tried to release the prime before X'mas, but it should be clear it was a nearly impossible mission, considering now almost 4 months later, there are no other tegra 3 devices out yet. But ASUS managed to release it right before X'mas. And as a result, the CES show was just 1 month away.
Ramius71 said:
Sorry if I was a little harsh, but you maybe got a little of my frustration about the *****ing on this forum that has been a bit much lately. Sorry about that.
All I´m saying is if you have that much against Android manufacturers and what they are able to deliver then maybe you should consider to switch to something else.
And if one of the things that is your biggest problem is a locked bootloader....yeah well..
Do you have anyone else in mind that does better?
I think the OP is on to something with what he is adressing. Because this hurts Android as a hole and not just us consumers.
People get their hopes and dreams up only to forget because of the very very long time it goes from launch til release.
The technogeeks like us stays with it, but the "normal" people loose interest quite fast.
That is one of the things that Apple do right imo. They tell everybody that "Hey...we will have this and that for you soon" and they actually deliver a couple of weeks later when the story is still fresh.
None of the Android manufacturers do this. And that is a shame because not only do we as consumers loose upon this, but the companies loose as well.
And the Apple way of doing it do look much more professional to the most of the public. They dont want to wait 2-3 months from they first hear about it until they can buy it.
And I am a Apple "hater", and wish that Android would rule the tablet world as well as the smartphone world.
I can´t stand the "Apple way" but I´m big enough to admit that they do something right.
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That's what I was saying....
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