So i've finally got the update, however I really don't like the fact the touch buttons don't work anymore. Surely if you pay for a product with touch buttons you expect them to STAY, rather than the company decide "no, you're not allowed them anymore".
Any way of getting functionality back, or will I have to revert back pre-Honeycomb?
LeeDroids kernel/ROM have HW buttons
I upgraded to HC yesterday and the first thing I did was installing Leedroids ROM and buying Honeybar. The first so I got my buttons back, the second to remove the honeycomb bar when I don't want it. Works perfectly!
Wiley87 said:
So i've finally got the update, however I really don't like the fact the touch buttons don't work anymore. Surely if you pay for a product with touch buttons you expect them to STAY, rather than the company decide "no, you're not allowed them anymore".
Any way of getting functionality back, or will I have to revert back pre-Honeycomb?
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Why yes, you can have your redundant hard buttons back !
You can send 100,000 Euro to HTC to make a new release , or you can install one of the custom rooted ROMs that give you your redundant buttons back.
Read a bit, you will learn new things.
PS:
for an extra 20K euro I will add a 5th hard button with the very useful function of "REBOOT and CATCH FIRE"
DigitalMD said:
or you can install one of the custom rooted ROMs that give you your redundant buttons back.
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For those that prefer the capacitive buttons, they can install Honey Bar from the Market, and hide the notification bar. In that case, the buttons are no longer redundant.
True, but you cannot get the reboot and catch fire function with that hack.
While Honeybar works most of the time, do be aware it is a root hack and does cause problems with some games and other apps.
Read the comments on market before thinking you have ROM problems if you install it.
for me its better....however honeybar takes up space..... there is an advantage for me with HC on screen buttons because on GB many a tyms my games were minimised when my finger accidently touched the hardware keys... now software buttons r not clicked when i drag my finger onto them.... this is better for me...
DigitalMD said:
Why yes, you can have your redundant hard buttons back !
You can send 100,000 Euro to HTC to make a new release , or you can install one of the custom rooted ROMs that give you your redundant buttons back.
Read a bit, you will learn new things.
PS:
for an extra 20K euro I will add a 5th hard button with the very useful function of "REBOOT and CATCH FIRE"
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the funny part about your post was..... actually, there wasn't a funny part. usually, aware me if i'm wrong, an UPDATE means that an existing product is made better through it's ORIGINAL state. buying a product with hardware buttons and then having them removed through a supposed update is like buying a car with a CD player and having the inside fully refurbished with the CD player being turned into a a cassette player.
my point being, I was unaware of such ROM's, so asked a simple question to which I received a perfectly good answer. the only input you have given in the thread is repeating an answer and adding unfunny comments with it.
how ironic, you could say you updated the original reply from Aiden the old fashioned HTC way.
Wiley87 said:
the funny part about your post was..... actually, there wasn't a funny part. usually, aware me if i'm wrong, an UPDATE means that an existing product is made better through it's ORIGINAL state. buying a product with hardware buttons and then having them removed through a supposed update is like buying a car with a CD player and having the inside fully refurbished with the CD player being turned into a a cassette player.
my point being, I was unaware of such ROM's, so asked a simple question to which I received a perfectly good answer. the only input you have given in the thread is repeating an answer and adding unfunny comments with it.
how ironic, you could say you updated the original reply from Aiden the old fashioned HTC way.
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While DigitalMD is obviously a key member to the community his sarcasm and degrading forum posts do get annoying. (Don't take this the wrong way DigitalMD)
I completely agree with you about the HC update. Why HTC didn't provide the option to remove the lower bar and place the buttons back on the touch buttons on the device is beyond me. They removed a key feature of the device that I liked.
Guess I'll have to look into this LeeDroid rom. I was avoiding bothering with rooting. Kind of sick of messing with stuff as of late. Just causes headaches/complicates things.
Edit:
LeeDroid is only for Flyer... Any View Roms that add the buttons back?
No View Roms to re-add buttons, huh? Or no one knows how to support the other users on this forum....
I do not believe that View has kernel source. Without it I do not believe the HW buttons can be enabled.
Written word on a website can be taken in many ways. I am a sarcastic ass myself and can see how sometimes comments I make can be taken the wrong way. good rule of thumb, try not to take any offense to anything posted on this forum
ORTOX said:
While DigitalMD is obviously a key member to the community his sarcasm and degrading forum posts do get annoying. (Don't take this the wrong way DigitalMD)
I completely agree with you about the HC update. Why HTC didn't provide the option to remove the lower bar and place the buttons back on the touch buttons on the device is beyond me. They removed a key feature of the device that I liked.
Guess I'll have to look into this LeeDroid rom. I was avoiding bothering with rooting. Kind of sick of messing with stuff as of late. Just causes headaches/complicates things.
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LeeDroid is only for Flyer... Any View Roms that add the buttons back?
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actually I wasn't being sarcastic,, I'm just extremely funny. And as far as degrading the forum, well we are here to help the newbies, people that run into problems and developers, not necessarily people that obsess about things that realistically cannot be fixed, but I appreciate your humor. While I do my best to answer and help reasonable questions, when people obsess about things that do not have a reasonable solution or do not understand or accept logical business decisions, I tend to point out the facts. Not everyone likes that. That's OK, I've been through several decades of computer and smart device development, you can't please everyone.
HTC didn't remove the HC system bar because Google designed HC that way and left no room for anyone to change that part of the GUI. They intended the system bar to be a center piece and all the moaning in the world won't change Honeycomb. HTC designed the Flyer, per-Honeycomb, before Google decided that future Android devices shalt not have buttons. Google left a little more leeway in ICS and the system bar can be hidden with a system call. They probably wanted it to act like Windows task bar and auto-hide, but were afraid they would have to cough up even more tribute to Microsoft for patent infringement.
I do like to inject some humor , especially with people don't get basic business principles such as Hardware vendors are not in business to fix every little issue you think you have, they are in business to make money. That often means they build a product that is good, but far from perfect because there is a vast amount of cost difference between good enough and perfect.
you tell 'em. seriously though, I see what you are saying and I agree with what you are saying. I am only saying this because I find when there are problems/issues that can be adequately addressed I feel that you (along with various others on this forum) are quite helpful.
mcord11758 said:
I do not believe that View has kernel source. Without it I do not believe the HW buttons can be enabled.
Written word on a website can be taken in many ways. I am a sarcastic ass myself and can see how sometimes comments I make can be taken the wrong way. good rule of thumb, try not to take any offense to anything posted on this forum
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Here's to hoping I suppose. Maybe if I get ambitious I'll downgrade back to GB. While I understand why HTC released Honeycomb for the tablet, I don't understand why Google made the taskbar mandatory in HC.
The taskbar really gets in the way when using the tablet with handwriting apps and is kind of annoying when using the tablet for reading. It makes it harder to become fully immersed in the book (as corny as this might sound).
I have 3 words for you:
Honeybar
and another three words are: HideBar
and yet another 3 words are:
Honey Hide Widget (incase you want a widget to hide the bar)
vlara said:
and yet another 3 words are:
Honey Hide Widget (incase you want a widget to hide the bar)
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I must apologize to you vlara because actually Honey Hide Widget is what I meant to refer to as that is what I use on your wonderful Rom HoneyPot. I use leedroid tweaks for the hardware buttons and am able to toggle between the system bar and the hardware buttons depending on my mood/use.
So, I guess the best option for me if I decide to would be, downgrade to GB, and then upgrade to a rooted HC rom, then install one of these toolbar hiders. These all require root access, correct?
AidenM said:
I have 3 words for you:
Honeybar
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GMAN1722 said:
and another three words are: HideBar
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vlara said:
and yet another 3 words are:
Honey Hide Widget (incase you want a widget to hide the bar)
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Hey those make 3 phrases!!
And no, just flash a HC rom.
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Just want to know if anyone is actively working on Android for the Titan. I found the stuff for the Vogue, but it's still a bit buggy on the Titan. I'd like to get in contact with someone about testing their builds. I do not have the knowledge to program unix/linux myself, but want to help get this project accomplished. Thanks!
make that two
ditto.
I've got pretty decent experience with linux, but am not really a programmer by any means. If there's anything I can help with I'd be up for it.
all i know is that android was just made open source a few days ago, so hopefully that means somebody will get their hands on that and do whatever it is they do to make it function on our 6800's. and that is all i know...
i'd like to know more though, just dont know where to really look or who to ask as its only been worked on for the vogue- as far as i know.
I wish I had the time to fully take on this project but a current robotics project has me tied up. However, if anyone does find a project, I'll glad to help. While I'm usually a C guy, especially for embedded development I'm fairly familiar with java byte code.
i have booted the vogue version successfully on my 6800, but it's extrememly sketchy. seems to run well, but screen doesnt function 100%, buttons do not work more than I'd say 10% of the time (if at all), sound non functional, no hardware keyboard, etc...
however! i did successfully recieve/make a call. exciting, i know lol
but yeah, there's news and videos all over the net of Android on the TItan, but nothing even close to being functional. not to mention it's still just a skin over winmo. you cannot boot directly into android from a reset.
here's what is extrememly exciting though: I can get 24/25 megs of ram free and can boot into android no prob. what if winmo wasn't running in the background?? there would be so much more free ram! there's roughly 40 megs of ram that winmo is using, plus whatever android consumes, i'd say if someone can get android to boot without winmo in the background, we'd have ~50mb free ram. that's would make this phone run sooo much smoother and more seamless.
I'm convinced that a major reason the screen is buggy on the titan is that it's set up for the vogue, which has a wider screen. I didn't notice this until the last release where the android logo goes off the side of the screen. I don't think it would take much tweaking to get it working well, unfortunately like others, I just don't have the time until the semester's over. If no one has it done by the end of the semester (I hope it happens much, much earlier!) then I would have plenty of time to devote to this project.
n8thegr8 said:
If no one has it done by the end of the semester (I hope it happens much, much earlier!) then I would have plenty of time to devote to this project.
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The semester has less than 2 months left!!
shapiror06 said:
i have booted the vogue version successfully on my 6800, but it's extrememly sketchy. seems to run well, but screen doesnt function 100%, buttons do not work more than I'd say 10% of the time (if at all), sound non functional, no hardware keyboard, etc...
however! i did successfully recieve/make a call. exciting, i know lol
but yeah, there's news and videos all over the net of Android on the TItan, but nothing even close to being functional. not to mention it's still just a skin over winmo. you cannot boot directly into android from a reset.
here's what is extrememly exciting though: I can get 24/25 megs of ram free and can boot into android no prob. what if winmo wasn't running in the background?? there would be so much more free ram! there's roughly 40 megs of ram that winmo is using, plus whatever android consumes, i'd say if someone can get android to boot without winmo in the background, we'd have ~50mb free ram. that's would make this phone run sooo much smoother and more seamless.
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Wait.. I was under the impression that haret wiped WinMo from memory entirely, thus requiring the soft reset. Anyway, I'm also interested. You can go to #htc-linux on freenode irc; I hear that work is being done there.
I got it to boot, but not functional
I also have had the same experience described here by other users.
q on the keyboard = menu to unlock the screen.
The camera button pulls up the virtual keyboard but didn't close it for me.
Any other keys people know about?
madsuse said:
I also have had the same experience described here by other users.
q on the keyboard = menu to unlock the screen.
The camera button pulls up the virtual keyboard but didn't close it for me.
Any other keys people know about?
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I've been able to use the power button to close applications (not the end-end keypress that some users have tried and found working)
My camera button opens and closes the on screen keyboard on an all-or-nothing basis (meaning if it opens, it closes - IF it opens at all)
The OSK is actually the only way I've found to unlock the screen.
Other than that, send and end seem to work as normal for making/ending a call
Still very sketchy though, as I've said
hahaha... yes we are working on it...let me point you to the correct thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341903
It has a working keyboard now... Go to page 14 I have posted instructions on getting it working...
Mods, if possible can you merge this thread.
wasupwithuman said:
hahaha... yes we are working on it...let me point you to the correct thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341903
It has a working keyboard now... Go to page 14 I have posted instructions on getting it working...
Mods, if possible can you merge this thread.
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Very nice! When I get a free minute I'm going to read through this thread!
First off, F off if people get mad for me pulling up an old thread. Its a stupid reason to get mad. Starting a new thread would make it MORE confusing.
My main point: there are active communities attending to the adaptation of android to their devices, vogue, kaiser, etc. Where is the titan scene.
there doesnt seem to be any one spearheading this for the Titan, is the person hiding or not existent?
Second point: i'm ready to start with this can some one reach out and point me in the right direction, the closest i can find to an active project is this:
http://cs-alb-pc3.massey.ac.nz/vogue/
Magikster (I probably got the username wrong) always seemed to have the best Android build for Titan back before I got my ADP1... I haven't used anything since early January, but it looks like he just released a new build today
http://magister.ipsys.net/projects/android-for-titan/
Good luck
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First off, F off if people get mad for me pulling up an old thread. Its a stupid reason to get mad. Starting a new thread would make it MORE confusing.
My main point: there are active communities attending to the adaptation of android to their devices, vogue, kaiser, etc. Where is the titan scene.
there doesnt seem to be any one spearheading this for the Titan, is the person hiding or not existent?
Second point: i'm ready to start with this can some one reach out and point me in the right direction, the closest i can find to an active project is this:
http://cs-alb-pc3.massey.ac.nz/vogue/
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Actually Magister works with dzo. His kernel changes are in dzo's git (on that webpage). In essence this means that you can use dzo's builds starting from March 11. (http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/...it;h=aaac085b22894e0ba27fd740f920dbc7cc366cf1)
For the adventurous, this means using nightly builds from http://www.androidonhtc.com/kaiser/latest_builds . Sadly the screen flipping in the wrong direction is present in those bundles.
thanks for the info guys, are either of you working on android development too?
(If request threads are frowned upon, my apologies. Feel free to delete or move this thread.)
Are there others of you out there that would appreciate a ROM that is a phone / PDA first and lotsa colorful graphics left to a minimum?
Here's why I ask. I've recently been looking at the reviews of the new HTC PURE (AT&T.) Looking at its TF3D screens my first reaction was, "I dig the blue theme, but man those mono color sliders sure look boring! The ROMs at XDA sure have better graphics!"
That was, however - a short lived reaction. . . .
We have a stock AT&T FUZE here in the house, and as everyone knows its theme is gray, gray, and more gray - boring.
However -
When a text message or email comes in, the little bright orange notification circles that pop up on the sliders are quite noticeable and stick out like a sore thumb. Some may consider this ugly, but it IS functional.
Once the modding stops and life restarts, these are, after all phone / PDAs. And in a busy life full of varying light conditions, the boring AT&T themes seem more useful than many cooked ROMs. Their basic two toned themes make it easier and faster to interact with the phone while on the go. The alerts are not distracted by the multicolors all over the interface.
I really do not like the features, bloat, and outdated stock AT&T ROM for the FUZE. And I really appreciate the great ROMs here on XDA and prefer them.
I'm wondering if there are others like me out there and a chef willing to make a go at a simple two toned ROM with bold alerts?
Feedback?
NBP Pipsquack Bird said:
(If request threads are frowned upon, my apologies. Feel free to delete or move this thread.)
Are there others of you out there that would appreciate a ROM that is a phone / PDA first and lotsa colorful graphics left to a minimum?
Here's why I ask. I've recently been looking at the reviews of the new HTC PURE (AT&T.) Looking at its TF3D screens my first reaction was, "I dig the blue theme, but man those mono color sliders sure look boring! The ROMs at XDA sure have better graphics!"
That was, however - a short lived reaction. . . .
We have a stock AT&T FUZE here in the house, and as everyone knows its theme is gray, gray, and more gray - boring.
However -
When a text message or email comes in, the little bright orange notification circles that pop up on the sliders are quite noticeable and stick out like a sore thumb. Some may consider this ugly, but it IS functional.
Once the modding stops and life restarts, these are, after all phone / PDAs. And in a busy life full of varying light conditions, the boring AT&T themes seem more useful than many cooked ROMs. Their basic two toned themes make it easier and faster to interact with the phone while on the go. The alerts are not distracted by the multicolors all over the interface.
I really do not like the features, bloat, and outdated stock AT&T ROM for the FUZE. And I really appreciate the great ROMs here on XDA and prefer them.
I'm wondering if there are others like me out there and a chef willing to make a go at a simple two toned ROM with bold alerts?
Feedback?
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looking on the ROM page I see many stock like or simple ROMS. Have you tried any of those? To me the idea behind cooked ROMS is to be different from the ones who use stock ROMS. I personally during a day go from my car to my office to a warehouse to my car then out to lunch at many different places then back to my office and then home as well as stores and shopping and have not had an interaction issue with a single ROM I have tried. Furthermore all ROMS put a notification icon on the task bar as well when you have mail or messages. For me functionality has never been an issue. What I would like is a more personal way to ad or remove apps I never use such as all the multimedia and messaging crap.
Try Timolol's ROMs as bare and boring as they can be but with great speed.
And this topic is not worth a new thread.
Please be careful next time you start a new thread.
yeah i would use timolols if ur interested in a bare looking and yet functional rom.
I concur with more function over looks
It would be nice to see more roms that are naked or use UC to put in the programs you want or exclude those that you may not need.
I'll take a look at Timolol's
sa-10 has a good idea with choice through UC.
One thing I like with many ROMs is the choice to run with TF3D or Titanuim baked into the same ROM. I was just wondering if there would be much popular support for an option to run with a very basic theme.
I don't dispute Solarenemy68's expereinces day to day. But for me, I have become vision impaired. I didn't want to make this thread about me or a disability, so I thought I'd see if other folks would find a simple to see, functional ROM useful.
madnish30 said:
Try Timolol's ROMs as bare and boring as they can be but with great speed.
And this topic is not worth a new thread.
Please be careful next time you start a new thread.
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You wanna watch how you speak to people, who are you to decide what deserves a thread and what dosent
Quite an ironic response for someone with "Learn How to use XDA well.Love all.Respect all." in there sig lol
mancsoulja said:
You wanna watch how you speak to people, who are you to decide what deserves a thread and what dosent
Quite an ironic response for someone with "Learn How to use XDA well.Love all.Respect all." in there sig lol
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Watch how you speak ?! Read again and if you take offense to that your sissy nothing else.
Whats Ironic huh ?
Dude only if you had read the Rules in that link !
And Who am I to decide well, I'm a member of this community as much as you are !
Is anyone stopping you from posting something ?
Or you just go around flaming ?
The message about the thread was for the OP with respect okay ?
Not for you so stop sticking your leg in between.
P.S: if the OP got and problem with what i said he/she can please tell me. I meant no offense to the OP.
But strangers please stay out.
Peace.
madnish30 said:
Watch how you speak ?! Read again and if you take offense to that your sissy nothing else.
Whats Ironic huh ?
Dude only if you had read the Rules in that link !
And Who am I to decide well, I'm a member of this community as much as you are !
Is anyone stopping you from posting something ?
Or you just go around flaming ?
The message about the thread was for the OP with respect okay ?
Not for you so stop sticking your leg in between.
P.S: if the OP got and problem with what i said he/she can please tell me. I meant no offense to the OP.
But strangers please stay out.
Peace.
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would it not be an idea to talk to an moderator instead of saying this things that can be dually explained ?
PS: maybe not the right timing but it would be a good idea to let chefs make a bare rom and just add the stuff through UC which one can download and unpack on a sd-card ?
I don't mind a MOD judging me as I was not Wrong !
I can't stand baseless acquisitions !
And will defend myself.
And UC on SD card would be good but then the ROM of one chef would not be different from anothers which would make things repatitive.
Plus UC will take so long to install so many apps and things.
People will have different demands and many demands for custom UC.
But maybe it could be tried by upcoming chefs.
Just PM'd two MODs Captain_throwback and the-equinoxe two look into the matter.
I will agree with whatever they will say.
No offense was taken.
Many times how I express myself in text is misunderstood as text doesn't allow for tone of voice, pauses, voice inflectoin etc.
So, Im not one to cast stones on this. No harm, no foul.
That said, I didn't post this thread to attract trouble or controversy.
I simply wished to make a request where chefs and patrons could take note and chime in if they like.
Yes, this was posted selfishly seekling a ROM a bit more user friendly to my disability. But before posting I tried to phrase things inclusively with the idea others might also like such a ROM for whatever reason.
Just a request, wondering if others feel they would benefit too.
No trouble intended.
NBP Pipsquack Bird said:
No offense was taken.
Many times how I express myself in text is misunderstood as text doesn't allow for tone of voice, pauses, voice inflectoin etc.
So, Im not one to cast stones on this. No harm, no foul.
That said, I didn't post this thread to attract trouble or controversy.
I simply wished to make a request where chefs and patrons could take note and chime in if they like.
Yes, this was posted selfishly seekling a ROM a bit more user friendly to my disability. But before posting I tried to phrase things inclusively with the idea others might also like such a ROM for whatever reason.
Just a request, wondering if others feel they would benefit too.
No trouble intended.
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glad to hear that.
you don't need to be sorry OP.
you are at no fault
glad to see you 2 get along now all of a sudden
donno what happend but it is gifted by the gods
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I was never against the OP !
This thread seems to be a fair request, imo.
That being said, it's always a good idea to look at the ROM threads before posting, to see which ROM meets your needs. If you don't see one, perhaps starting a thread like this gives the OP an opportunity to get people's opinions. This isn't one of those "which ROM is the best" threads, which serve no real purpose, as the answer to that question is quite subjective.
I'm glad to see that the disagreement has been worked out.
I'm also not one for "pretty over functional" ROMs, though don't get me wrong - I like pretty. But I also like having the latest features/ports working on my device (i.e. Manila 2.5).
[self-plug]
I'm actually close to (FINALLY) releasing my own ROM, which I'm *trying* to keep simple and functional (it's tough though, with so many goodies out there). My philosophy is to install as many apps as possible via CAB, rather than cooking in, which not only keeps the \Windows folder cleaner, but allows the end-user to uninstall anything they don't like or won't use. I actually created the placeholder for my ROM 2 months ago, and it's just now finally getting to the point of completion (several ports and hundreds of builds later). Maybe you'll want to check it out, in addition to the other suggestions offered here.
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Anyway, just make sure everyone keeps respecting each other here in the forum. We just here to help each other. No reason to scold anyone for starting a thread. If it shouldn't be here, the Mods will take care of it.
Yes, it would be great to have a basic ROM, all,ost all the other ones are overloaded with things most people don't need...
You then could upload a package with CABS so that people can install only the things they want.
It would be great indeed...
Captain_Throwback said:
This thread seems to be a fair request, imo.
That being said, it's always a good idea to look at the ROM threads before posting, to see which ROM meets your needs. If you don't see one, perhaps starting a thread like this gives the OP an opportunity to get people's opinions. This isn't one of those "which ROM is the best" threads, which serve no real purpose, as the answer to that question is quite subjective.
I'm glad to see that the disagreement has been worked out.
I'm also not one for "pretty over functional" ROMs, though don't get me wrong - I like pretty. But I also like having the latest features/ports working on my device (i.e. Manila 2.5).
[self-plug]
I'm actually close to (FINALLY) releasing my own ROM, which I'm *trying* to keep simple and functional (it's tough though, with so many goodies out there). My philosophy is to install as many apps as possible via CAB, rather than cooking in, which not only keeps the \Windows folder cleaner, but allows the end-user to uninstall anything they don't like or won't use. I actually created the placeholder for my ROM 2 months ago, and it's just now finally getting to the point of completion (several ports and hundreds of builds later). Maybe you'll want to check it out, in addition to the other suggestions offered here.
[/self-plug]
Anyway, just make sure everyone keeps respecting each other here in the forum. We just here to help each other. No reason to scold anyone for starting a thread. If it shouldn't be here, the Mods will take care of it.
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Appreciate that you had a look here.
And wasn't scolding was just expressing what i felt.
And i think i can do that
Yeah solved OP got no problem i got no problem.
But Captain i heard that once apps are cooked in ROMs they perform better rather than when installed ?
Could you explain that ?
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But Captain i heard that once apps are cooked in ROMs they perform better rather than when installed ?
Could you explain that ?
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It all depends. If you're talking about an app that is located in \program files, it doesn't matter at all how it got there. Apps that appear in rom (in the \windows folder) can work much better when cooked in (voice command comes to mind).
I would love to have a clean ROM. I have acculmulated most of the Software that I won't already in CABs. I have found a lot of really nice ROMs out there but say in 1 I don't like this feature, or in another, I don't like that. I wouldn't mind having just a ROM cooked WinMo 6.5.#, a good radio with only Titanium setup to work with my Fuze on ATT and I can probley do the rest. I don't generally run Manila and the only HTC specific programs i really like are the HTCcalculator and the HTC Comm Manager.
This is Unofficial CyanogenMod 7 port from the Legend, here. This is an alpha release! Do not report any bugs here or on CyanogenMod bug track or forums! This is not a fully working rom, see what doesn't work below.
Not working:
Menu/Back/Genius Button
Keyboard
Working:
Everything else
Download available here.
Thank you very much for this, I'm sure the community will have fun being able to somewhat play with gingerbread till CM7 nightly builds are out next week hopefully. =]
CaliBoyPhillip said:
Thank you very much for this, I'm sure the community will have fun being able to somewhat play with gingerbread till CM7 nightly builds are out next week hopefully. =]
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Not really, I flashed it. Like the OP says, no back button, no menu, no genius, not even a keyboard. In addition, no auto brightness, and when you try to manually change it, the settings app force closes. As a result, screen is pretty dark for me. Also, for some reason it takes up 228 mb on /system, so I had to repartition. There are little or no cyanogenmod parts in the ROM, so frankly, I'd stick on froyo if I were you until the cm7 RC1 comes out. At least until nightlies start. Frankly, since this is alpha, it shouldn't have even been posted, it's hardly functional.
Well with the CM7 thread going on in the general forum, people were requesting arayray to upload it for testing purposes, so in large I agree with you MusicMan, but some folks are just too eager for the Gingerbread!
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Well with the CM7 thread going on in the general forum, people were requesting arayray to upload it for testing purposes, so in large I agree with you MusicMan, but some folks are just too eager for the Gingerbread!
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I agree with that somewhat, but it's hard to test something when you can't even exit an on screen keyboard since you don't have a back button. Or when you can't change an apps settings because you don't have a menu button. Not to mention you can barely see the screen. Nothing THIS alpha should be posted. If menu and back worked, and screen brightness, it MIGHT be acceptable for testing purposes. But something this early on in development shouldn't be posted.
If menu and back was working, I would use this as my daily driver
I'm going to test this to see how gingerbread is on the mytouch slide
thank you for sharing this......any idea why the framework fails to de-odex?
As I stated not a fully working rom if you can do a better job with what you got go ahead please do it, all this rom is, is basically to play with until me or someone from CM can get the vendors to build it. Take it or leave it
I had auto brightness working before but Im not going to mess with it anymore
going to give this a shot andsee how buggy it is! will report back soon
Gonna make a backup and then try this.
Just wanna take a look, haha.
If I haven't done anything with partitions, or have S-OFF, will I be okay to try?
Nothings changed, just backup and flash
I found a few things that might be a quick fix, could fix front buttons + keyboard. You can save me a couple minutes of downloading and running diff.
Did you use init.latte.rc from CM6, or did you edit init.legend.rc to fit the slide?
No I didnt try that... I have been messing with the keylayouts
Haha, this is fun.
Sure it doesn't have a lot of the buttons, but I'll just use the home button while I play around.
I'm loving the little extras like the orange glows when hitting a top or bottom border... or the little animation when locking the device...
I nearly exploded seeing that.
If anyone wants to work on fixing anything go for it, you have my blessing. Im going to try and compile a fully working rom from source
Why is xbin and lib so big on gingerbread, in froyo system folder is small. but now it's the size of a sense rom. But do you know if the gingerbread source includes ext4 file system like on nexus s?
Arayray is the man! He is the first to bring Gingerbread to us. I hope this rom will evolve, so at least front facing buttons would work.
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Arayray is the man! He is the first to bring Gingerbread to us. I hope this rom will evolve, so at least front facing buttons would work.
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I found a few things that might be a quick fix, could fix front buttons + keyboard. You can save me a couple minutes of downloading and running diff.
Did you use init.latte.rc from CM6, or did you edit init.legend.rc to fit the slide?
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Leave it to miguel for the quick fixes. Gotta love em.
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I have just done a blanket delete of 77 posts, so if your legitimate post was caught up in that, I apologise.
Now on to the more important stuff. Racism, and swearing will not be tolerated here. In my clean up of this thread I had to delete many posts with swearing in them, and a few racist ones. Let me make it clear. I will not hesitate to have you banned if you post racist remarks. Swearing will be dealt with by way of an infraction, and flaming / trolling will be dealt with by way of a warning, then infractions if you continue.
This is the one and only warning to all concerned in this thread. Infractions / bans are the next step if you keep this up.
I've been pondering for some time that if Android has the most customization on the earth for a Mobile OS why doesn't the rooted community make a rom? All the current roms out there Whether it be Cyanogenmod, MIUI, Sense, Touchwiz, Motoblur, it's all based and still resembles of what the manufacturers or companies have given us. Even though MIUI has a company behind it, it shows that you can use the rooted community to make something great. We have an abundance of Developers, Themers, Idealists, testers, etc. to do something like this.They could design it, port it, test it, and put more ideas forward. Even though I have nothing of value to offer, I was just wondering why this has not been done, so my pondering can stop.
imagine how many phones you would have to port it to
Not trying to be rude or anything, but think about that statement.
He has a point. A ROM alone doesn't do much if the drivers are missing... and those are not generally available unless you sign a deal with the hardware maker, which isn't exactly trivial for opensource projects. I don't really see any other way than what people are doing now: What other way than grabbing the drivers from the previously installed system is there to get anything to run on the actual hardware?
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Not trying to be rude or anything, but think about that statement.
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yeah i know your first post says we have a lot of developers to do it, but porting isnt an easy job. each phone has their own specifications. some phones cant handle what other phones can. and even if you manage to port most of the rom, there are bound to be bugs. and maybe you dont know how many phones we have here on xda. we're talking about all the phones here and here
Well since it's off of AOSP...? I don't see where you're getting this whole making deals with manufacturers. How ever since most brands have been ported to Cyanogenmod it's not impossible.
Also you would not need to port it to those devices. Not trying to exclude people but I'm just going to take Cyanogen's stance...It's been two years, most people have updated to new devices. Also most of those are not even Android..cmon
How else do you want to get the drivers... you either have to take them from the device, which means leaving enough of the system in place that they'll function (which is what CyanogenMod is doing now), or make a deal with the people who have the original drivers. I just don't see any other ways, do you?
Cyanogen does not make deals with manufacturers and it's well Cyanogenmod not Cyanogenmod+motoblur or Cyanogenmod + touchwiz.
Look I know you guys are pessimistic about it, but it's a interesting and real possibility.
Drivers, not frontends. What I mean is Cellphone chipsets, battery stats and so on... they're still there when you install Cyanogenmod, since they can't include their own... I thought that was part of what you meant with "Community ROM", that these "leftovers" from the original system should go. I'm not pessimistic, just confused.
Well you're only confusing your self. It's a straight forward idea..The community designs it's own UI and from there it is dependent on specific devices developers. It's not impossible, It's only as possible as the community makes it out to because this community is very talented.
Ah... you just want to change the frontend, not the "bowels" of the system... sorry, simple misunderstanding. I read "community ROM" and thought you wanted to go further than what Cyanogenmod is doing, essentially building a full working ROM instead of what is essentially a kind of patch for the system already in place...
Sort of..Think MIUI but by the community
Hmm... could you be a little more specific what you think should be part of such an alternative main user interface? For example, should it do away with the widgets concept if it feels inadequate? Or remap controls and so on. Or should it be "just" a launcher and a fancy keylock?
Well that's not up to me to be frank. The reason why I can't be specific is because it's a community rom, not a Cimer rom
There always has to be a starting point and you (hopefully) have some thoughts on this, otherwise you wouldn't have created this thread, right?
For me, it's mostly about the launcher and "Task Switcher" or whatever you want to call it ("Recent Applications"). Lock screens for me serve only a single purpose and any more than that usually gets in the way. For example, if you place a lot information on it, you have to keep the screen on for a longer period, which will eventually drain the battery if you keep the phone in your trouser's pockets.
Well yes...I have thought about it. Through thinking about it I came to the conclusion that I don't know what everyone wants, and how it will work out. Now I could be the starting point, but to be realistic I can't do it by myself I would need the previous mentioned people in my first post, and the community to get this rolling. This could either be revolutionary or it could just be lost in XDA's countless topics. It will also be hard because everyone has something they're working on.
You need to give people something to discuss
OK, then I'll start.
As I said, the core functions for me are home screen and task switching.
Let's start with the launcher.
Launchers fall mainly into two categories:
1. Searcher
2. Finder
A "Searcher" allows the user to specify more and more precisely what he wants to do. This can either be key presses, categories/labels or anything really that asks the user for traits of the activity he wants to perform.
A "Finder" on the other hand presents most available functions at once and lets the user pick the one he wants immediately.
There are many shades of gray between those two, but that's the spectrum.
For me one level of "Searcher" functionality has proven the optimal level of traits that I can navigate through without ending up at the wrong point too often. Categories, à la PalmOS are still the best thing I can think of, but obviously that's partly due to my history with mobile devices, which has been dominated by PalmOS. How do other people reach their applications?
P.S. May I suggest a title change for the thread? Something along the lines of "What User-Interface 'Experience' would you like on Android?". The "CustomROM" title still confuses me
Done.
If you think about it All roms basically have icons on their home screen in a grid or on a dock of some sort..How would you change that to have the greatest eye candy and functionality.
Well to be honest you can't get away from icons on the home screen judging from other mobile and computer operating systems. So they next question would be how do you optimize that "dock" to be to the user's liking. ADW, Launcher Pro, and somewhat MIUI has provided a little answer to that. You can theme the dock, put 1 to 5 icons on it..But the trouble is to not make it look iPhoneish yet allow the possibility in case someone want to...we don't want that. So what do you do? Also perhaps we could not get rid of the app drawer, but the app drawer short cut. Like there is a little bar or line (depends what shape your dock is) above the dock and you have to drag that up.
Or perhaps having the notification bar on the bottom (top if you wanted to) and improve the notification system
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The community designs it's own UI and from there it is dependent on specific devices developers.
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ah i see now, sorry for the misunderstanding
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If you think about it All roms basically have icons on their home screen in a grid or on a dock of some sort..How would you change that to have the greatest eye candy and functionality.
Well to be honest you can't get away from icons on the home screen judging from other mobile and computer operating systems.
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i came across this...looks pretty interesting to me
I also like this idea, MIUI has done an outstanding job with android, they've added so many things that were never made, but even CM is superior to AOSP or any stock ROM out there. I would like a cool homescreen that's 2D w/ 3D like effect similar to sense 3.0. And the setting menus should resemble honeycomb, it should have extensive theming down to every app. These are just some things I would like to see.
I have a Nook Tablet 8gig that I rooted about 10 months ago with no problems. I have had no complaints so I have not mucked around with it, but now I am wondering about updating a bit. The issue is that I want to be able to use an external keryboard dock with my NT, and I read that it was only possible with CM7 (not sure if that means CM7 and above). I rooted the NT using the great instructions and files recommended in the developers thread, but to be honest I have no idea what my nook is rooted with- it works well so I have not messed with it.
I am essentially looking for instructions on how to re-root my NT after I re-set it to factory, or how to alter my current root to run CM7. My screen is half wonked, and I may take it back since I got the extended warrenty, especially if I have to re-root it for this anyway.
Also...what is CM7? Is that an Android version?
As a side note: Can anyone confirm that you can use an external keyboard with CM7 or above?
What do you want to do first?...do you want to return to stock so that you can return your nt...or do you want to flash cm7? (cm7 is a ROM by the way a version of Android os)
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What do you want to do first?...do you want to return to stock so that you can return your nt...or do you want to flash cm7? (cm7 is a ROM by the way a version of Android os)
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Ultimately what I want to do is run an external keyboard, and the information I have is that they will run on CM7. I will probably (assuming my warranty will cover this) be getting this one fixed to replaced soon, so I will need to re-root when I get it back, but for now I don't see the need to re-root if I don't have to.
What does it mean to "flash" cm7?
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What does it mean to "flash" cm7?
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If your nook is broken already, why bother doing anything to it? Just get it fixed then address the things you want to address. And while you are waiting for the replacement see the next line.
After reading above quote along with your original post you honestly need to read...A LOT. You need to learn at least the basic lingo before you even make an attempt to do anything. Failure to have even an iota of understanding will only lead to failure, complaints, and frustration. Spend a few hours going through the posts on here. There are several new user guides. Read them. Re-Read them. Read them again. Learn to understand what people are talking about when someone says something like "Flash x, y, or z".
As for the keyboard question, I am fairly certain that it doesn't work on ANY rom. They are working on getting the OTG portion of the kernel ironed out. While it is called a tablet it is a glorified E-Reader. The devs have done an awesome job making the Nooks into what they are today (for those of us that have modified them),
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After reading above quote along with your original post you honestly need to read...A LOT. You need to learn at least the basic lingo before you even make an attempt to do anything. Failure to have even an iota of understanding will only lead to failure, complaints, and frustration. Spend a few hours going through the posts on here. There are several new user guides. Read them. Re-Read them. Read them again. Learn to understand what people are talking about when someone says something like "Flash x, y, or z"
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Any good links to layman information sites or tutorials? I was able to Root it easily (it is pretty simple), but I will admit that some of the android specific terminology does go over my head.
As for the keyboard question, I am fairly certain that it doesn't work on ANY rom. They are working on getting the OTG portion of the kernel ironed out. While it is called a tablet it is a glorified E-Reader. The devs have done an awesome job making the Nooks into what they are today (for those of us that have modified them),
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I have read several places where cm7 has allowed keyboard use for users. They are not expensive, and I would really like to try.
As for getting it fixed...well I love my nook and use it every day, so I have been loathe to take it in. I suppose that is silly.
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Any good links to layman information sites or tutorials? I was able to Root it easily (it is pretty simple), but I will admit that some of the android specific terminology does go over my head.
I have read several places where cm7 has allowed keyboard use for users. They are not expensive, and I would really like to try.
As for getting it fixed...well I love my nook and use it every day, so I have been loathe to take it in. I suppose that is silly.
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You will love it more when it works completely and isn't "wonky". You will survive without it for a little bit. Trust me you won't die. Also because CM7 allows for a keyboard doesn't mean every device running CM7 will. Search the forums for more information. I know that some of the developers have been working on it for CM10 but I don't recall seeing any posts saying that they have it working definitively.
As for specific sites or tutorials. Just visit the various android boards and look for the Noob guides. Search google for more details on subjects you want to know about.
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You will love it more when it works completely and isn't "wonky". You will survive without it for a little bit. Trust me you won't die. Also because CM7 allows for a keyboard doesn't mean every device running CM7 will. Search the forums for more information. I know that some of the developers have been working on it for CM10 but I don't recall seeing any posts saying that they have it working definitively.
As for specific sites or tutorials. Just visit the various android boards and look for the Noob guides. Search google for more details on subjects you want to know about.
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Thank, I just took it back to Best Buy and they replaced it with an HD. I thought about an HD+, but I use my nook for reading more than anything (lots of comics, some novels), and the 9" is much less comfortable for that. Now I need to root this bad boy, and I don't have to monkey around with roms other than rooting because the HD already has support for an external keyboard.
This can be closed, as far as I am concerned. Thanks.