I mean perhaps not as smooth as ios but better than this honeycomb crap lol
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I mean perhaps not as smooth as ios but better than this honeycomb crap lol
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100% it runs smooth as butter on the Galaxy Nexus and that's only two cores. ICS with the hardware acceleration and 4/5 cores should be super fast.
ICS will be a significant improvement across the board on everything. IMO this honeycomb is already as smooth as IOS and I own an Ipad to constantly compare it to some people report lag, most report it being super fast. I never had any lag issues since I got this on 12/22.
You'd be surprised what one or two crappy apps set to "quietly load" on start up can do to android, even with 4 cores or my sgs2 overclocked to 1.6ghz. #1 culprit running/lagging in background, engadget app. I have no problem running it, but with a desktop widget once you run and hit back or home without "killing" it it'll take 80% cpu for no reason for god knows how long. With my gs2 my pocket starts cookin a bit as engadget is one of the only apps that bug-pegs it at 1.6ghz long term, even with the screen off, lol. And yes i see the irony, though the engadget app isnt alone. I've just learned to kill that app and remove what i dont use regularly (titanium is great for this).
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Until android rewrite the UI it will never be as 'smooth' as IOS.
IOS have a seperate layer for the UI as soon as you touch the screen all processing stops (apps would never finish installing, web browser would never finish loading) and continues as soon as you remove your finger.
With android loading continues regardless of if your touching the screen or not, so it then has to try and do both things at once hence the lag when an app is installing or web page loading.
4 cores when utilised properly with ICS will help though
well gang it will be here on the 12th, can't wait.
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Until android rewrite the UI it will never be as 'smooth' as IOS.
IOS have a seperate layer for the UI as soon as you touch the screen all processing stops (apps would never finish installing, web browser would never finish loading) and continues as soon as you remove your finger.
With android loading continues regardless of if your touching the screen or not, so it then has to try and do both things at once hence the lag when an app is installing or web page loading.
4 cores when utilised properly with ICS will help though
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How do you explain the Playbook running so smooth with everything truly running in the background?. Its as smooth as iOS. (RIM actually got something right) Android lags because its badly optimised compared to iOS, QNX, WebOS and others. ICS is a step closer to getting there but not yet, it is smooth but not 'as' smooth.
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How do you explain the Playbook running so smooth with everything truly running in the background?. Its as smooth as iOS. (RIM actually got something right) Android lags because its badly optimised compared to iOS, QNX, WebOS and others. ICS is a step closer to getting there but not yet, it is smooth but not 'as' smooth.
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Maybe the playbook had the UI rewritten. I got my information from an interview with a lead android developer and they explained what I said above. Android was developed to compete with symbian and blackberry at the time then when iphone came out, android rushed it to market but at that point the UI was already flawed.
I'll try and find the source but it was from a while ago now. Doesn't mean android isn't as fast as ios, far from it, its just the UI experience
p.s. It wasn't my interview it was just one I found on the web that I was reading, think it was on engadget at some point.
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Maybe the playbook had the UI rewritten. I got my information from an interview with a lead android developer and they explained what I said above. Android was developed to compete with symbian and blackberry at the time then when iphone came out, android rushed it to market but at that point the UI was already flawed.
I'll try and find the source but it was from a while ago now. Doesn't mean android isn't as fast as ios, far from it, its just the UI experience
p.s. It wasn't my interview it was just one I found on the web that I was reading, think it was on engadget at some point.
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If you come across it, please PM it to me. Sounds interesting.
Playbook is amazingly smooth even compared to my Prime.. anyways enough about that, not a RIM sales man lol.
Hoping ICS does take advantage of the 4 cores.
Found the article on google+ i'll paste the relevant bit here:
Going Forward
Android UI will never be completely smooth because of the design constraints I discussed at the beginning:
- UI rendering occurs on the main thread of an app
- UI rendering has normal priority
Even with a Galaxy Nexus, or the quad-core EeePad Transformer Prime, there is no way to guarantee a smooth frame rate if these two design constraints remain true. It’s telling that it takes the power of a Galaxy Nexus to approach the smoothness of a three year old iPhone. So why did the Android team design the rendering framework like this?
Work on Android started before the release of the iPhone, and at the time Android was designed to be a competitor to the Blackberry. The original Android prototype wasn’t a touch screen device. Android’s rendering trade-offs make sense for a keyboard and trackball device. When the iPhone came out, the Android team rushed to release a competitor product, but unfortunately it was too late to rewrite the UI framework.
This is the same reason why Windows Mobile 6.5, Blackberry OS, and Symbian have terrible touch screen performance. Like Android, they were not designed to prioritise UI rendering. Since the iPhone’s release, RIM, Microsoft, and Nokia have abandoned their mobile OS’s and started from scratch. Android is the only mobile OS left that existed pre-iPhone.
So, why doesn’t the Android team rewrite the rendering framework? I’ll let Romain Guy explain:
“...a lot of the work we have to do today is because of certain choices made years ago... ...having the UI thread handle animations is the biggest problem. We are working on other solutions to try to improve this (schedule drawing on vsync instead of block on vsync after drawing, possible use a separate rendering thread, etc.) An easy solution would of course to create a new UI toolkit but there are many downsides to this also.”
Romain doesn’t elaborate on what the downsides are, but it’s not difficult to speculate:
- All Apps would have to be re-written to support the new framework
- Android would need a legacy support mode for old apps
- Work on other Android features would be stalled while the new framework is developed
However, I believe the rewrite must happen, despite the downsides. As an aspiring product manager, I find Android’s lagginess absolutely unacceptable. It should be priority #1 for the Android team.
When the topic of Android comes up with both technical and nontechnical friends, I hear over and over that Android is laggy and slow. The reality is that Android can open apps and render web pages as fast or faster than iOS, but perception is everything. Fixing the UI lag will go a long way to repairing Android’s image.
Beyond the perception issue, lag is a violation of one of Google’s core philosophies. Google believes that things should be fast. That’s a driving philosophy behind Google Search, Gmail, and Chrome. It’s why Google created SPDY to improve on HTTP. It’s why Google builds tools to help websites optimize their site. It’s why Google runs it’s own CDN. It’s why Google Maps is rendered in WebGL. It’s why buffering on Youtube is something most of us remember, but rarely see anymore.
But perhaps the most salient reason why UI lag in Android is unacceptable comes from the field of Human-Computer Interaction (HCI). Modern touch screens imply an affordance language of 1 to 1 mapping between your finger and animations on the screen. This is why the iOS over-scroll (elastic band) effect is so cool, fun, and intuitive. And this is why the touch screens on Virgin America Flights are so frustrating: they are incredibly laggy, unresponsive, and imprecise.
A laggy UI breaks the core affordance language of a touch screen. The device no longer feels natural. It loses the magic. The user is pulled out of their interaction and must implicitly acknowledge they are using an imperfect computer simulation. I often get “lost” in an iPad, but I cringe when a Xoom stutters between home screens. The 200 million users of Android deserve better.
And I know they will have it eventually. The Android team is one of the most dedicated and talented development teams in the world. With stars like +Dianne Hackborn and +Romain Guy around, the Android rendering framework is in good hands.
I hope this post has reduced confusion surrounding Android lag. With some luck, Android 5.0 will bring the buttery-smooth Android we’ve all dreamed about since we first held an HTC G1. In the mean time, I’ll be in Redmond working my butt off trying to get a beautiful and smooth mobile OS some of the recognition it deserves.
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Source: https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
If you read the top of that article. He even admits he was wrong. His article was debunked by a google engineer. (There is a link to it in the post)
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Found the article on google+ i'll paste the relevant bit here:
Source: https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
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that was an excellent read. that was a nice history lesson on Android. Thanks!
edit: I read the Google engineer article that debunked this one before. A certain member here loves to always bring it up to help prove his point..lol
I still believe its true, it does kind of make sense when you think about it, plus google aren't really going to turn around and say "oh yes our UI is badly designed and needs to be re-written".
from my novice experience, the user interface performance seems fine. My first tablet so I don't have anything to base it off. It's about as quick as my old Core 2 XPS laptop running Windows 7.
It would be nice one day to have a buttery smooth experience though so hope ICS helps with the cause!
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It would be nice one day to have a buttery smooth experience though so hope ICS helps with the cause!
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I'm sure with ICS you will have an I Can't Believe It's Not Buttery experience.
With the ability to unlock the bootloader comes the ability to install custom roms which means smoothness.
I've seen that happening exactly like that on my phone.
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While on the subject and trying not to go to far from the OP. Have we got any ETA from ASUS themselves about when we can expect ICS on the Prime?
I get mine on the 12th of this month and dont want to spend too long with crappy Honeycomb.
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While on the subject and trying not to go to far from the OP. Have we got any ETA from ASUS themselves about when we can expect ICS on the Prime?
I get mine on the 12th of this month and dont want to spend too long with crappy Honeycomb.
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Well your in luck because Asus said they will roll out it starting on the 12th.
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While on the subject and trying not to go to far from the OP. Have we got any ETA from ASUS themselves about when we can expect ICS on the Prime?
I get mine on the 12th of this month and dont want to spend too long with crappy Honeycomb.
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ICS comes out worldwide on the 12th January.
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I'm watching some videos on youtube...You know, usuals "dogfights" between Hero, iPhone, Milestone/Droid etc. and I'm really starting to get nervous...WHY iPhone HAS A SO SMOOTHER SCROLLING THAN ANY OTHER ANDROID PHONE ON THE MARKET?? I'm not even talking about 3GS/4 but 2G/3G!! Come on! They were released 2-3 years ago! Hero almost 10 months ago and Droid even before! Android has been upgraded 3 times in this period (1.5-->2.1-->2.2) but WE ARE STILL NOT ABLE TO GET A SMOOTH SCROLLING/ZOOMING in the browser! When the page is zoomed enough you have a good quality scrolling but if you open a page in overview (zoom = 0%) sometimes scrolling is VERY annoying! It is definetively NOT as smooth as on the iPhone. Same thing happens for pinch2zoom...If you want to increase the zoom (with an initial zoom >=20-30%) everything goes the right way...If you want to zoom at the beginning, when the page is still in overview, zoom is jerky! Until you reach the "holy zoom" (20-30%). Since then it becomes smooth...While on the iPhone you get a smooth zooming and scrolling both if the page is in overview or with an initial zoom.
What is the cause?? Is it possible that this happens because Android can't use the PDF rendering while iPhone does? I mean...It could be patented by Apple (just to "think different"). But even if this is true...I can't believe there isn't an alternative to make a smoother rendering engine on Android...I haven't seen Froyo yet but I don't think they properly solved the problem...Any idea?
I would hazard a guess at multitouch is software emulated in Android, hence why it only became available in 2.1, whereas the iPhone has it on the hardware level.
Much like how 3d graphics are far better on dedicated hardware than software emulation.
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You could be right... I also think that MT is emulated (because of its inaccuracy). By the way I'm talking about 2D elaboration (scrolling, zooming, swiping etc.) because 3D graphic is not comparable phone by phone. Some have a dedicated GPU while others have not.
To the ones who voted the third option: I'm talking about HTC Hero with default clock! I guess a 710 Mhz overclocked Hero has a smooth scrolling such as Desire has a far smoother scrolling because of its SnapDragon! Please, could you write the reason because you voted that option?? Thanks!
It seems fine for me on Villain10.3 with a BFS kernel and OC to 729 MHz. I quite like the legend-style text selection method that HomerSp ported across, as it's quite iPhone like
Hi, my name is Luca and it's smooth enough for me... ;-)
(and shame on me, I'm using stock rooted 1.5 on my Hero)
The only thing that really drive me crazy is the keyboard lag (and yes, I disabled all feedbacks).
Think of it this way.That f*****ng iOS is ONE OS for ONE DEVICE.So the both of them are developed together,giving apple the chance to optimize it.But I guess that it also has to do with iPhone having native hardware multitouch.But we have everything they don't!And both iOS and iPhone have some fundamental fatal flaws that make them partially useless!So just stop being jealous of them and start mocking them again!
I think its because Apple has spent so much time and effort focusing on the look and feel of their devices, because thats what their market wants whereas the Android market is more concerned with the function.
Its the age old function verses form thing.
I agree with craig! And maybe android can do 100 more things than iphone...but what about the BASIC FUNCTIONS? I really would like to see google interested in improving UI! Look and feel is as important as every other feature!! And I will be jelaous until they bring a better user experience on the android UI
@anon: nice advertisement but I said not overclocked third post!
@luca: have you tried to scroll a page in overview (zoom at min)?
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I agree with craig! And maybe android can do 100 more things than iphone...but what about the BASIC FUNCTIONS? I really would like to see google interested in improving UI! Look and feel is as important as every other feature!! And I will be jelaous until they bring a better user experience on the android UI
@anon: nice advertisement but I said not overclocked third post!
@luca: have you tried to scroll a page in overview (zoom at min)?
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I would prefer a smoother phone but I wouldn't like to see function being sacrificed. I've played with my sisters desire and its pretty smooth on the stock so maybe its just a processor issue.
Maybe Google phones put so much into the function not a lot is sent to the UI. Maybe we'll see smoother UIs in the snapdragon phones.
Me too! But other functions can be implemented by using 3rd part applications...I would like to see a smoother interface more than a hotspot function because the latest can be easily integrated by using Wireless tether for root/nonroot users! By the way you're talking about a phone with a 1Ghz CPU! It's not comparable with the iPhone 2G-3G/Hero CPU. And, despite this, interface is still NOT as smooth as the iPhone's one...This makes me think! The only one I've seen until now which is capable of a comparison with iPhone is the Evo 4G...But we are talking about a device that should be compared with iPhone 4! Not 2G/3G!
I would like to remind you: 2G/3G have been released in 2007/2008... Hero in 2009, Evo in 2010...I know that iOS is ONE OS for ONE DEVICE, but I also know that, for example, Windows is ONE OS for MANY DEVICES! And its UI is smooth enough! Oh and don't forget that OSX can be installed on hundreds of Notebooks/Desktops which are NOT apple! And it is as smooth as on Apple computers! So this is the proof that the device itself doesn't matter...Is a matter of "take care of look and feel BALANCED with functions". Do you agree?
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Me too! But other functions can be implemented by using 3rd part applications...I would like to see a smoother interface more than a hotspot function because the latest can be easily integrated by using Wireless tether for root/nonroot users! By the way you're talking about a phone with a 1Ghz CPU! It's not comparable with the iPhone 2G-3G/Hero CPU. And, despite this, interface is still NOT as smooth as the iPhone's one...This makes me think! The only one I've seen until now which is capable of a comparison with iPhone is the Evo 4G...But we are talking about a device that should be compared with iPhone 4! Not 2G/3G!
I would like to remind you: 2G/3G have been released in 2007/2008... Hero in 2009, Evo in 2010...I know that iOS is ONE OS for ONE DEVICE, but I also know that, for example, Windows is ONE OS for MANY DEVICES! And its UI is smooth enough! Oh and don't forget that OSX can be installed on hundreds of Notebooks/Desktops which are NOT apple! And it is as smooth as on Apple computers! So this is the proof that the device itself doesn't matter...Is a matter of "take care of look and feel BALANCED with functions". Do you agree?
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Some interstimg points there. We also need to remember certain things that make iPhone appear smooth like that little spring back you get when you pull too far down in an app is actually copyrighted by apple. So we might not be able to get the smoothness apple enjoys but I think we could get our own version.
Sure, Apple patented a lot of features which make the iOS an impressive OS. But, for example, Sense integrates that "spring" effect but, well, it's not even comparable to the iPhone's one! And, really, I don't care about this "FX" when I get a smooth way to scroll a web page and a smooth way to zoom (not necessarily with pinch2zoom). Since I'm just looking for a very good browser (because I think that the rest of UI in Android is pretty smooth) I expect from Froyo an excellent scrolling engine! But if this feature is connected with the whole OS (maybe through a defective "scrolling-zooming-library" ) I'm afraid we won't get it for a long time... If some devs read this thread: Is there a way to improve the scrolling/zooming smoothness of a browser? Default browser's source should be available...Froyo's too...
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Sure, Apple patented a lot of features which make the iOS an impressive OS. But, for example, Sense integrates that "spring" effect but, well, it's not even comparable to the iPhone's one! And, really, I don't care about this "FX" when I get a smooth way to scroll a web page and a smooth way to zoom (not necessarily with pinch2zoom). Since I'm just looking for a very good browser (because I think that the rest of UI in Android is pretty smooth) I expect from Froyo an excellent scrolling engine! But if this feature is connected with the whole OS (maybe through a defective "scrolling-zooming-library" ) I'm afraid we won't get it for a long time... If some devs read this thread: Is there a way to improve the scrolling/zooming smoothness of a browser? Default browser's source should be available...Froyo's too...
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I agree with you on this one.
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Me too! But other functions can be implemented by using 3rd part applications...I would like to see a smoother interface more than a hotspot function because the latest can be easily integrated by using Wireless tether for root/nonroot users! By the way you're talking about a phone with a 1Ghz CPU! It's not comparable with the iPhone 2G-3G/Hero CPU. And, despite this, interface is still NOT as smooth as the iPhone's one...This makes me think! The only one I've seen until now which is capable of a comparison with iPhone is the Evo 4G...But we are talking about a device that should be compared with iPhone 4! Not 2G/3G!
I would like to remind you: 2G/3G have been released in 2007/2008... Hero in 2009, Evo in 2010...I know that iOS is ONE OS for ONE DEVICE, but I also know that, for example, Windows is ONE OS for MANY DEVICES! And its UI is smooth enough! Oh and don't forget that OSX can be installed on hundreds of Notebooks/Desktops which are NOT apple! And it is as smooth as on Apple computers! So this is the proof that the device itself doesn't matter...Is a matter of "take care of look and feel BALANCED with functions". Do you agree?
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What you are referring to is a Hackintosh!
And yes,I know that MacOS can be installed on almost any PC and run as smooth,but for one reason.OSX's kernel is a BSD kernel,whick is UNIX based,just like Linux.So it is fairly easy to get it working on non-Apple hardware and make some new drivers.I have done some of it myself to be honest!
But iOS isn't anything like that.It is a new OS,made from scratch just for the iPhone.That's why we haven't seen a port for other phones yet and may never see one.So this whole one OS for one device thing is a very important factor,believe me!As for phones like the Desire and the Evo,just wait for FroYo and you will most probably see the smoothness you want so much.As for me?My Hero overclocked at a cool 768MHz with VillainRom 10.3 is smooth enough!
Anyway,one thing must be made clear.The fact that iOS runs smoother doesn't make it better.Think only that very basic and vital functions like Copy & Paste were only introduced in iPhone 3GS and Apple presented them like the evolution of mobile platforms!And just because Apple said it everyone believed it.One thing you have to know is that for Apple fans,if Jobs says that the Earth's rotation is Apple's patent,then they will believe it and grow cocky because they will think that the Earth rotates only because of their iPhones!
And about what you said about WinMo being smooth...I surely hope you are joking!You can barely call what WinMo has a UI!The only phones worth the trouble with WinMo are HD2 etc,new and powerful devices.
I was talking about Windows XP/Seven! XD Not Mobile! By the way I know I'm referring to Hackintosh! I used to be in the InsanelyMac scene... And I really don't want iOS to be ported on our devices! I LOVE Android! But I feel like it lacks a good rendering engine (even if it uses webkit from Chrome and, well, this is pretty strange! ) ! I really hope froyo will bring this "smoothness" I'm looking for Oh and I've seen some videos about HD2 browsing... Its smoothness is IMPRESSIVE!! Multitouch works great too! How can it be possible!? We're talking about Windows Mobile! And is the OS that makes the difference because it has the same features of N1...Snapdragon, 576 MB ram etc. So is WM better than Android in 2d rendering? I don't think so...I believe that someone at google missed something...Like "HW acceleration" while scrolling/zooming...I can't explain it better! What do you think?
PS: I could not compare an older phone with a newer one! It's like I would compare a Dream with a Desire! So HD2 is the only one comparable to the newer Android phones! Then yes...Windows mobile on newer devices is a good operating system
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I was talking about Windows XP/Seven! XD Not Mobile! By the way I know I'm referring to Hackintosh! I used to be in the InsanelyMac scene... And I really don't want iOS to be ported on our devices! I LOVE Android! But I feel like it lacks a good rendering engine (even if it uses webkit from Chrome and, well, this is pretty strange! ) ! I really hope froyo will bring this "smoothness" I'm looking for Oh and I've seen some videos about HD2 browsing... Its smoothness is IMPRESSIVE!! Multitouch works great too! How can it be possible!? We're talking about Windows Mobile! And is the OS that makes the difference because it has the same features of N1...Snapdragon, 576 MB ram etc. So is WM better than Android in 2d rendering? I don't think so...I believe that someone at google missed something...Like "HW acceleration" while scrolling/zooming...I can't explain it better! What do you think?
PS: I could not compare an older phone with a newer one! It's like I would compare a Dream with a Desire! So HD2 is the only one comparable to the newer Android phones! Then yes...Windows mobile on newer devices is a good operating system
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I used to be bothering with a Hackintosh that never worked(not supported chipset damnit) and was too @ InsanelyMac!
Anyways,you are comparing a PC OS with mobile phones.It's not fair.Think that the best results with linpack yet are 40-50 megaflops,while modern PC graphics cards have the power to reach even 6 terraflops.So even a PC with XP should work smoothly!
As with phones,it's what I told you.Froyo has a newer kernel,which is about the same version as the one used in Ubuntu 10.04 and should most probably have OpenGL 2.1 instead of 1.1.I believe and hope that this will give a solution!Better rendering will give better results!
I'm not being clear... XP was an example to let understand that even if an OS is made for MANY devices this doesn't mean it has to be of poor performance! My XP is as smooth as any other OSX out there! (after some tweaks!). So the fact that iOS is made only for iPhones doesn't matter about the loss of performance on Android which is made for MANY devices! Got it?
You are perfectly clear my friend!It's just that the way that PCs work is different.With a good enough hardware it can run good on any OS that supports the given hardware.But with the phones it's a bit trickier the way I see it.For every phone they must build specific drivers etc.So Android(and WinMo in this aspect) has to be partially developed for all devices simultaneously.Just look how different Galaxy S,Desire and Milestone are.To make you understand what I mean,think of different CPU architectures and Linux.Ubuntu,which I use everyday on my PC works differently on x86 architectures,differently on x86_64 and differently on PowerPC,because the architecture that has been most...ermmm...popular is x86.Different drivers mostly.OSX works only on x86 and works like a dream(almost ),but we cannot say it is better or anything than Ubuntu which works everywhere,on every hardware,but not as smooth or well as OSX.
It's not the best example that can be given,but I hope you understand what I want to say!
Sure! Android can run on many different architectures but know what...it's something like a car which can run on every kind of terrain but behaves as good as it is supposed to on none of them! Who is going to buy this kind of car? same thing is for android! I can't need a 1ghz cpu JUST to smoothly scroll a web page! I don't pretend asphalt 5 to run at 60fps on my hero but, hell yeah! I PRETEND to have a smooth scrolling/zooming! And I know this is possible because opera mini (apart from the huge lag-bug) handle it! So my only desire is to have a good and fast browser on my phone...am i asking too much?
Smooth scrolling is coming to Android
Watch this youtube video.. it elaborates about the MIUI ROM.
10:52 onwards you'd notice smooth scrolling with spring effect.. more or less in line with how it feels in iphone.
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Any dev's or knowledgeable people want to take a crack at this? Is it based in fact, fiction, or irrelevant?
IDK, some things made since and some didnt. The whole writup seemed to be based on iOs vs. Android on scrolling. If you break down what iOs is, its an app launcher. Android is a home screen with live widgets and information. A true comparison would be Androids app page vs. iOs since both would be app launchers.
I never understood why people try and compare apples to oranges... or in this case, an app launcher to a 5 page home screen with tons of live information on it.
I think the guy was pretty clear on identifying bias and also gaugeing how factual his claimes are. I believe him and am confident that the corrections have made it Accurate.
The last post is true. Apple has locked down and simplified their os in the sake of smoothness. Where android has opted to provide a mors content rich experiance.
But at the same time hardware fragmentation is huge, ik he says that no matter how powerful the phones get this is a limitatikn, there is a huge problem with the fact that... Some procs. Support neon and other optimizations while ofhers don't. More often than not, app devs write their apps for the least powerful in an attempt to capture everyone, in the end, the most powerful loose out on the true potential of their device.
Look at push for example, most apps that i see still have bruit force check every 5 min type notifications even though android now has push. this is getting fixed, but slowly.
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I think the biggest problem android faces is the carriers. Buy an iPhone and there is zero carrier crap installed. Buy android and bloaty mcfatty land.
Thanks to xda development we can purge this crap (revs you rock!), but for the vast majority this is akin to voodoo and they would never attempt it.
As such android gets a bad rap. If the carriers would just be content with having their names on the phone and nothing else I posit that there would be globally better view of android. Just my two cents.
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I think the biggest problem android faces is the carriers. Buy an iPhone and there is zero carrier crap installed. Buy android and bloaty mcfatty land.
Thanks to xda development we can purge this crap (revs you rock!), but for the vast majority this is akin to voodoo and they would never attempt it.
As such android gets a bad rap. If the carriers would just be content with having their names on the phone and nothing else I posit that there would be globally better view of android. Just my two cents.
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I thought it was just the United States carriers that did this?
But, as android is an open model it opens up possibilities for carriers to customize the devices as they wish at little to no cost, also, allowing them to install apps to earn sidestreamed revenue.
I hate the carrier branding on my phone. I really really wish there was a way to get the AT&T logo off my phone.
The only place I'd allow it is the sim card.
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I hate the carrier branding on my phone. I really really wish there was a way to get the AT&T logo off my phone.
The only place I'd allow it is the sim card.
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That's what you and I and many others in US pay for a subsidized phone.
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But my unsubsidized Galaxy Tab 10.1 wi-fi is still laggy as hell. It's not the fault of carrier bloatware. Android OS is the one to blame. My WP7 phones runing a single core 1GHz Sanpdragon is much more smoother than any Android phones I owned, including the GS2.
No lag problems with my 10.1...
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I think the biggest problem android faces is the carriers. Buy an iPhone and there is zero carrier crap installed. Buy android and bloaty mcfatty land.
Thanks to xda development we can purge this crap (revs you rock!), but for the vast majority this is akin to voodoo and they would never attempt it.
As such android gets a bad rap. If the carriers would just be content with having their names on the phone and nothing else I posit that there would be globally better view of android. Just my two cents.
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Bingo! This is exactly what I have thought for years. Buy an unlocked Nexus S if you doubt this at all and you'll see a different Android. Or, root your phone, flash a vanilla rom and install something like ADWLauncher EX and set it to "fast". Once all the crap and skin is wiped, my current GS2 switches tasks and pages so fast that sometimes I can't even see it happen. I literally burned my hand the other day on my phone.
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Bingo! This is exactly what I have thought for years. Buy an unlocked Nexus S if you doubt this at all and you'll see a different Android. Or, root your phone, flash a vanilla rom and install something like ADWLauncher EX and set it to "fast". Once all the crap and skin is wiped, my current GS2 switches tasks and pages so fast that sometimes I can't even see it happen. I literally burned my hand the other day on my phone.
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What I really can't get my head around is how AT&T can think that people want their ****ty apps. They are an embarrassment.
I'm no expert, but I think that some of the apps that are on our phones out-of-box are there so that the price of the phone can be driven shown a bit more. It makes sense that AT&T would have agreements with the app makers to get money for including their app. Maybe they use that revenue to offset the overhead of distributing the device and pass that savings along to their customers.
I'm certainly not defending what they do, but just saying that could be a reason why some of this crapware is pre-installed.
Another way to look at it would be that many of the apps cost money to use. They will enroll you in some service you don't need (AT&T Nav, Live TV, etc.). Then they can steal from us by placing these little services onto our plan to be billed monthly. I have worked in customer care for one of "the big four" carriers and they would train us to employ similar tactics to trick existing customers into buying stuff. They're really like fat leaches attached to the inside of our wallets.
I have a focus and a gs2. Yes wp7 scrolls the home screen, notice I say screen since there is only one, smooth as silk. The animations are also very smooth but way too much and slowwww. Where you see the difference is in apps. Hell rebooting my focus takes forever. The engadget app and lazy tube app on wp7 really make the phone stutter and freeze. I have iPhones, winphones and androids and in my experience the gs2 is by far the fastest phone i own by a large margin. I still love the iPhone and winphone btw. The winphone is a first Gen device so it's performance is damned impressive. The animations and how slow it scrolls webpages/long lists annoy me. In android if you flick down a list real fast it goes like lightning, on the winphone it has a governor of sorts and I find myslef constantly trying to get it to scroll faster.
I know it sounds like I'm crapping on the winphone but that's not the case. It really is a cool os handbills recommend trying it out. I got a used focus for next to nothing.
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Again, people are comparing apples to oranges... an app launcher (or in WinMo case, an app launcher with really large app links) to a multi-page homescreen with live information.
Try this, use the App launcher in Android and scroll back and fourth, up and down and now compare it to iOs or WinMo. YA, NOW THEY SCROLL THE SAME!!!
If you feel that your home screen is laggy, then either get a new launcher, or dont put any widgets/icons/shorcuts/pictures/ANYTHING on your home screen.
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But my unsubsidized Galaxy Tab 10.1 wi-fi is still laggy as hell. It's not the fault of carrier bloatware. Android OS is the one to blame. My WP7 phones runing a single core 1GHz Sanpdragon is much more smoother than any Android phones I owned, including the GS2.
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You shouldve exchanged that GS2. I guarantee it would/should kick wp7 in its ass in terms of performance.
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You shouldve exchanged that GS2. I guarantee it would/should kick wp7 in its ass in terms of performance.
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No you can't. Obviously you don't own a WP7. All Android phones I handled (BTW, my co-worker has another GS2, same deal) are no where near the smoothness of year old (with two year old single core Snapdragon) Samsung Focus in terms of home screen smoothness. When it comes to lag and stutters, I'm writing it off as the necessary evil I have to deal with if I'm going to use any Android devices. Too those who deny it, you need to go out and play with other platforms like WP7 or iPhone to understand what is lag.
I like Android. Thus I'm on my second Android Phone and even own an Android tablet. But to deny the obvious and inherent flaw in the OS is either ignorant or pure fanboyism.
Remember, I'm purely talking about home screen. When it comes to app, a lot of other factors come into play and CPU speed does make a difference. Home screen is where we spent most time and most complaint about lag is about.
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No you can't. Obviously you don't own a WP7. All Android phones I handled (BTW, my co-worker has another GS2, same deal) are no where near the smoothness of year old (with two year old single core Snapdragon) Samsung Focus in terms of home screen smoothness. When it comes to lag and stutters, I'm writing it off as the necessary evil I have to deal with if I'm going to use any Android devices. Too those who deny it, you need to go out and play with other platforms like WP7 or iPhone to understand what is lag.
I like Android. Thus I'm on my second Android Phone and even own an Android tablet. But to deny the obvious and inherent flaw in the OS is either ignorant or pure fanboyism.
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Opening apps in WP7 has a considerable delay too. The WP7 homescreen is nothing, but a start menu. The live tile functionality really isn't there yet.
Yes, app loading is slow on first version of WP7 but it has greatly improved since then. What's the point of a great home screen when it lags like hell? GS2 is much better than my Captivate as well as my GTab 10.1. But I can still feel some slight lagness. My GTab 10.1 is almost unusable until 3.2 ROM released. Android's only saving grace right now is the raw processing power increase of the new phones that hides these inherent flaws in the OS. Google, or its partners, still has a long way to go to improve the UX of Android OS.
I would like to start off by saying I tried a search and did not find conclusive results to my question so apologies if I missed a thread on this.
I would also like to say I am not a Apple fan by nature. I was a preorder on the Andoid G1 if that serves any background on me.
So my dilemma.. What sold me on the iPad 2 was trying out a iPad 1 early last year and took to the speed, performance, form etc. So learning the ipad 2 was down the road I waited a few months and walked into the store on launch day and picked one up.
My dilemma - I have not been very happy with Apple in general for many reasons which I won't get into but seeking real feedback if the Prime would compare to the iPad 2 for owners of both.
In desperation to have an Andriod device I recently purchased the Galaxy Tab 10.1 only to be disappointed and returned it. It is nice, don't get me wrong but pales in comparison to the speed in which I am used to. At least out of the box. I am not looking to mod my tablet (already do that with my Evo and Photon).
So, is there anyone here that can provide real feedback to owning both units? I really want to go Android but don't want to feel like I am sacrificing on anything. The browser tests I did with the Galaxy vs the iPad were significant enough for me to be a deal breaker. I know I am giving up flash on the iPad but in reality most of what I do doesn't require it. I would just prefer a Android device that has similar speed in browsing and responsiveness, screen etc..
Thanks in advance and sorry for the long post..
my prime should be here tomorrow so ill post up my results for you. also keep in mind that the ipad 3 should be coming out sometime this year. but you said you wanted an android device so that may not matter.
Thanks.. I did hear the iPad 3 is coming out but it seems like a rumor at the moment? Like you mentioned though I am really looking to get away from the limitations Apple has which is my drive. The IOS 5 update took away my direct print function from email and Safari from an app I paid for which i was told from the developer was intentional and there is nothing they can do about it. I am not unhappy enough with the iPad to just make a change for the sake of change as it does work nice for most of what I do. I wish this was in store to try it out first but I can be patient.
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Thanks.. I did hear the iPad 3 is coming out but it seems like a rumor at the moment? Like you mentioned though I am really looking to get away from the limitations Apple has which is my drive. The IOS 5 update took away my direct print function from email and Safari from an app I paid for which i was told from the developer was intentional and there is nothing they can do about it. I am not unhappy enough with the iPad to just make a change for the sake of change as it does work nice for most of what I do. I wish this was in store to try it out first but I can be patient.
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Ya thats the way i feel, if the prime doesnt preform well ill send it back and wait to see if the ics update fixes it. but have you looked at the galaxy tab 7.7? i heard thats supposed to be pretty nice and if you already have an ipad 2 maybe the smaller size would be good for you. Either way i think you have to wait for the ics update to get a real comparison.
I did see something about the 7.7 but thought it was only avail through Verizon with LTE? The size is actually probably not bad and doable.
I recently picked up an ipad 2 while I wait for a replacement Prime to come in. I am by no means an apple guy, in fact I don't like a lot of things they do and have been an android user for years. That being said, I am very quite impressed with it so far. Very fluid ui and browser (great flash support using Photon browser). Games, are significantly ahead of android in quantity and quality. Software in general is polished and compatibility is excellent.
Now, unlike prime with storage and hdmi... With ipad you pay for everything. Hdmi, eternal storage etc. External output is Meh, requires google tv for most things. Peripherals in general are expensive, but will be compatible with most if not all apple things.
That's all I can think of right now... Plus typing on a phone sucks.
Let me know if you have specific questions.
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I would like to start off by saying I tried a search and did not find conclusive results to my question so apologies if I missed a thread on this.
I would also like to say I am not a Apple fan by nature. I was a preorder on the Andoid G1 if that serves any background on me.
So my dilemma.. What sold me on the iPad 2 was trying out a iPad 1 early last year and took to the speed, performance, form etc. So learning the ipad 2 was down the road I waited a few months and walked into the store on launch day and picked one up.
My dilemma - I have not been very happy with Apple in general for many reasons which I won't get into but seeking real feedback if the Prime would compare to the iPad 2 for owners of both.
In desperation to have an Andriod device I recently purchased the Galaxy Tab 10.1 only to be disappointed and returned it. It is nice, don't get me wrong but pales in comparison to the speed in which I am used to. At least out of the box. I am not looking to mod my tablet (already do that with my Evo and Photon).
So, is there anyone here that can provide real feedback to owning both units? I really want to go Android but don't want to feel like I am sacrificing on anything. The browser tests I did with the Galaxy vs the iPad were significant enough for me to be a deal breaker. I know I am giving up flash on the iPad but in reality most of what I do doesn't require it. I would just prefer a Android device that has similar speed in browsing and responsiveness, screen etc..
Thanks in advance and sorry for the long post..
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This is not specific to the TF Prime, but rather all Honeycomb devices (And I guess Gingerbread too). Don't bother with the stock browsers until Chrome is finally introduced to Android, the stock browser is overall much clunkier and less responsive than other solutions that you can find on the market.
I personally use Opera Mobile on both Atrix 4G and Honeycomb Tablet, and I found a HUGE difference in responsiveness and ease of use.
EDIT: The thing about android is that only some stock apps are good (the others are barely adequate at best), however you can find excellent replacements on the market for whatever you need.
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This is not specific to the TF Prime, but rather all Honeycomb devices (And I guess Gingerbread too). Don't bother with the stock browsers until Chrome is finally introduced to Android, the stock browser is overall much clunkier and less responsive than other solutions that you can find on the market.
I personally use Opera Mobile on both Atrix 4G and Honeycomb Tablet, and I found a HUGE difference in responsiveness and ease of use.
EDIT: The thing about android is that only some stock apps are good (the others are barely adequate at best), however you can find excellent replacements on the market for whatever you need.
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I couldn't agree more. The Honeycomb browser is horrible and I can't even believe it still has not been improved. Opera Mobile is a million times better! The feature to change the user agent to "desktop" alone makes it worth it.
No Honeycomb tablet can compare to the iPad 2 in terms of fluidity and smoothness. I can tell you from personal experience that Ice Cream Sandwich is the first version of Android that can compare to iOS devices in terms of smoothness and fluidity of the UI (yes, it's still not as fast as iOS, but for me it has finally reached the threshold of what I would consider to be smooth). I've used iPads and iPhones before and I know what you're talking about when it comes to responsiveness and smoothness. It's IMO the best part of iOS, and I'm willing to admit that even though I prefer Android. I've also used Android tablets, and nothing running Honeycomb can compare, point blank. Including the Transformer Prime. Anyone who tells you their Transformer Prime has as much UI fluidity, smoothness, and responsiveness right now is either lying, has low standards, or has never used an iPad before.
Wait until ICS to decide for yourself if the Prime is speedy enough. I have a HTC Sensation, and for me my phone has never been up to my standard of what reasonably smooth is until I installed a beta AOSP ICS ROM. Now, I'm not referring to anything other than speed when I say wait for ICS. I'm not going to tell you that ICS will magically fix certain problems the Prime is having like Wifi and GPS issues.
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No Honeycomb tablet can compare to the iPad 2 in terms of fluidity and smoothness. I can tell you from personal experience that Ice Cream Sandwich is the first version of Android that can compare to iOS devices in terms of smoothness and fluidity of the UI (yes, it's still not as fast as iOS, but for me it has finally reached the threshold of what I would consider to be smooth). I've used iPads and iPhones before and I know what you're talking about when it comes to responsiveness and smoothness. It's IMO the best part of iOS, and I'm willing to admit that even though I prefer Android. I've also used Android tablets, and nothing running Honeycomb can compare, point blank. Including the Transformer Prime. Anyone who tells you their Transformer Prime has as much UI fluidity, smoothness, and responsiveness right now is either lying, has low standards, or has never used an iPad before.
Wait until ICS to decide for yourself if the Prime is speedy enough. I have a HTC Sensation, and for me my phone has never been up to my standard of what reasonably smooth is until I installed a beta AOSP ICS ROM. Now, I'm not referring to anything other than speed when I say wait for ICS. I'm not going to tell you that ICS will magically fix certain problems the Prime is having like Wifi and GPS issues.
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I understand that Honeycomb does not take advantage of multiple cores where ICS does. That would explain the difference if correct.
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I understand that Honeycomb does not take advantage of multiple cores where ICS does. That would explain the difference if correct.
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That's an extremely simplified explanation, and one that's not necessarily true.
For a while, a popular topic of discussion going around about ICS was that ICS incorporates hardware acceleration and multi-core support, whereas Honeycomb and Gingerbread don't. That was all pretty much dispelled by a well-known post from a Google engineer who explained that that was just a popular misconception, because Honeycomb already offers hardware acceleration and multi-core support.
If you asked me why ICS is faster, I think it boils down to 2 things: 1) it's just an overall cleaned up OS, and 2) it makes better use of the hardware available. It's not that it makes use of hardware which previous versions of Android didn't do at all (as pointed out, Honeycomb did have hardware acceleration and multi-core support), it's that I believe it will make better use of hardware. I'm not a Google engineer and so this is just a conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that you can be confident ICS makes better use of multi-cores. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that because Google knows one of the primary advantages of iOS is speed, and also because essentially all high end Android devices today are multi-core. If Google went into the development of ICS with the goal of making it a faster OS in order to close the gap with iOS, and they went into the development with the knowledge that essentially all devices that would use it would be multi-core, then they certainly put some effort into making better use of such hardware.
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That's an extremely simplified explanation, and one that's not necessarily true.
For a while, a popular topic of discussion going around about ICS was that ICS incorporates hardware acceleration and multi-core support, whereas Honeycomb and Gingerbread don't. That was all pretty much dispelled by a well-known post from a Google engineer who explained that that was just a popular misconception, because Honeycomb already offers hardware acceleration and multi-core support.
If you asked me why ICS is faster, I think it boils down to 2 things: 1) it's just an overall cleaned up OS, and 2) it makes better use of the hardware available. It's not that it makes use of hardware which previous versions of Android didn't do at all (as pointed out, Honeycomb did have hardware acceleration and multi-core support), it's that I believe it will make better use of hardware. I'm not a Google engineer and so this is just a conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that you can be confident ICS makes better use of multi-cores. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that because Google knows one of the primary advantages of iOS is speed, and also because essentially all high end Android devices today are multi-core. If Google went into the development of ICS with the goal of making it a faster OS, and they went into the development with the knowledge that essentially all devices that would use it would be multi-core, then they certainly put some effort into making better use of such hardware.
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Sounds close to the same thing I said except in a paragraph instead of a sentence!
The prime in its current honeycomb state, especially after this most recent update, is right on par with the UI fluidity of ipad1 or 2. as I own one also. I stayed with ipad1 because ipad2 wasn't a big enough jump all around to jusitfy dishing out for a new one. I have used the new ones extensively also though. I am constantly using my devices day n and day out so I have a good scope of how they compare. If you decide to get the Prime, it would be a great choice. there have been some issues that has arised for some people but overall doesn't affect everyone. going from ipad2 to a Prime would be a huge upgrade all around the board. definitely check out the various threads, good ones and bad one, and be the judge. you have my vote for getting the prime though. as an Ipad owner also, ipad1 or 2 can't compare because of the larger number of things and customizations that comes with Prime and Android. Apple puts out some great products but you have to live by their rules in their closed ecosystem. with Android, there is alot more freedom. you have to jail break I devices just to do half the things Android does right out the box. that's what sold me on Android. what sold me on the Prime was its Superior Display, best out of any tablet period, the great battery life, best out of any Android tab and on par with ipad2 battery life, superior specs-more powerful by far than anything out now and more than likely next few months down the road. then you have the perfectly integrated keyboard dock option which even has built in battery and extends battery life eveb further. no other manufacturer has been able to replicate that as good. plus Asus has a proven track record of putting out firmwares the fastest and keeps supporting devices.
good luck on deciding.
I just can't thank everyone enough for their kind and genuine responses..
This type of feedback is exactly what I was looking for.. I hate to admit it but I was not aware of the Opera browser. I tried Dolphin on the G-Tab which is very fast on my Photon and thought maybe it was related to the G-Tab. Now I know..
What I take from the responses is that ICS will certainly be something that will take advantage of the Primes true capabalitites. I am willing to give and take.. not one sided and understand that some things will be better and some not so much but the majority of my use is really plain browsing and e-mail. I don't do gaming at the moment so the real thing I want to maintain is a snappy browser and UI.
Sounds like I need to keep the Prime on the list for sure.. thanks again.. really could not ask for more than the true feedback here and not some bias article on the net.
Cheers & Happy New Year to ALL!!
Stan
ok so my prime came yesterday and I haven't had much time to use it yet so don't take this as a real comparison.
So far the only thing worse about it is that hineycomb has a few hiccups sometimes. It hasn't annoyed me but then again maybe it will down the road. Also I pad 2 has a slightly faster browser but its really not a deal breaker. With opening and closing apps they are pretty much the same.
I'll update as time goes on and when ics comes out.
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ok so my prime came yesterday and I haven't had much time to use it yet so don't take this as a real comparison.
So far the only thing worse about it is that hineycomb has a few hiccups sometimes. It hasn't annoyed me but then again maybe it will down the road. Also I pad 2 has a slightly faster browser but its really not a deal breaker. With opening and closing apps they are pretty much the same.
I'll update as time goes on and when ics comes out.
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make sure to update device to latest system firmware. 33. it speeds things up and fixes alot of bugs.
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That's an extremely simplified explanation, and one that's not necessarily true.
For a while, a popular topic of discussion going around about ICS was that ICS incorporates hardware acceleration and multi-core support, whereas Honeycomb and Gingerbread don't. That was all pretty much dispelled by a well-known post from a Google engineer who explained that that was just a popular misconception, because Honeycomb already offers hardware acceleration and multi-core support.
If you asked me why ICS is faster, I think it boils down to 2 things: 1) it's just an overall cleaned up OS, and 2) it makes better use of the hardware available. It's not that it makes use of hardware which previous versions of Android didn't do at all (as pointed out, Honeycomb did have hardware acceleration and multi-core support), it's that I believe it will make better use of hardware. I'm not a Google engineer and so this is just a conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that you can be confident ICS makes better use of multi-cores. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that because Google knows one of the primary advantages of iOS is speed, and also because essentially all high end Android devices today are multi-core. If Google went into the development of ICS with the goal of making it a faster OS in order to close the gap with iOS, and they went into the development with the knowledge that essentially all devices that would use it would be multi-core, then they certainly put some effort into making better use of such hardware.
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optimization is the name of the game. so far with most devices that have early builds of ICS on them, everything seems faster, so theoretically the prime should scream.
just a couple weeks and we'll see.
as to the OP's question, i've played with an ipad2 and owned an ipad1, i feel like with a few tweaks (change the launcher, use a different browser) the prime is just as fast if not faster than the ipad2 for most things even on HC.
iOS def has android beat when it comes to the amount of tablet optimized apps and games though, hopefully android will pick up the pace after ICS helps to unify the phone/tablet fragments. i am quite impressed with the tegra3 optimized games quality and fluidity though.
I'm trying to find an honest answer and I have a few speculations but I'm not sure.
For example, I just purchased an HTC One which is running the very latest Snapdragon S600 chip and Adreno 320 and I'm comparing it to the iPhone 5 (A6 and PowerVR SGX543MP3).
Here are a few applications (mostly games) that I've tried on both devices:
* Fruit Ninja - Touch input is delayed by about half a second on the HTC One but instant on iOS.
* Simpons Tapped Out - The voice sometimes stutters and moving buildings just isn't as fluid as iOS.
* Browser (Chrome and Android default) - Scrolling isn't as smooth.
Like I said, I'm honestly not biased one way or the other but this is just what I have noticed. The iPhone 5 has a much lower resolution but I've also had similar results on the iPad Mini (1024x768 resolution).
Does every application written for Android need to optimized for every individual CPU and perhaps these applications weren't optimized yet?
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I'm trying to find an honest answer and I have a few speculations but I'm not sure.
For example, I just purchased an HTC One which is running the very latest Snapdragon S600 chip and Adreno 320 and I'm comparing it to the iPhone 5 (A6 and PowerVR SGX543MP3).
Here are a few applications (mostly games) that I've tried on both devices:
* Fruit Ninja - Touch input is delayed by about half a second on the HTC One but instant on iOS.
* Simpons Tapped Out - The voice sometimes stutters and moving buildings just isn't as fluid as iOS.
* Browser (Chrome and Android default) - Scrolling isn't as smooth.
Like I said, I'm honestly not biased one way or the other but this is just what I have noticed. The iPhone 5 has a much lower resolution but I've also had similar results on the iPad Mini (1024x768 resolution).
Does every application written for Android need to optimized for every individual CPU and perhaps these applications weren't optimized yet?
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Oh Christ, what have you done!!!!!!
Prepare to get slated.
You've got a point though, I just moved back to Android from an iPhone 4s and for all its faults, the apps on the iPhone were more polished. Not all by the way, the apps I noticed a difference in were Sky Sports News and Facebook and BBC Sport. Haven't played games to be honest.
A bunch of random speculative reasons:
Less hardware variation; compiled apps vs java; multitasking is not as good on iOS; and I did read a big discussion once about how Android graphics subsystem has more layers of abstraction that are costly, but I don't recall the details.
I'm not sure the difference is that large anymore.
This thread is probably going to become a troll-fest. It doesn't really belong in a device specific forum.
Yup it's true, but less evident in latest Androids (4+). I think it's down to how software works.
I have bought iPhone because it's only decent phone without roms, and I was a flashoholic (about 10 roms a week). I instantly noticed polish and speed, plus a totally different touch recognition. You can hold one finger on iphone constantly and still do "single finger" stuff-the phone just ignores it after a while. Scrolling also works much nicer after you let go, deceleration seems just right . I started reading this forum only a week or two ago because I think i'm healed after 6 months, and I will get One as soon as it's available in my country (still faiting for lazy carrier f**s). Things OP noticed are very well known to anyone switching. It's normal and you simply have to get used to it. If it starts laging do a restore or flash a rom (and here we go again...)
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This thread is probably going to become a troll-fest. It doesn't really belong in a device specific forum.
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So true. Plenty of interesting points raised so far actually, but why is this in the HTC One forums?
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it takes a while longer before some software is optimized for a new soc, those games will become more fluent.
scrolling is fine, I think apple patented smooth scrolling on mobile devices, just use a different less high profile browser, eg. try opera mobile and see how smooth scrolling can be on Android too.
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but why is this in the HTC One forums?
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Because the OP thinks that the best phone on the market is not apple enough.
Belonging to Android General maybe? But a good point. . . ready for the Trolling?
Hello guys,
I have had about 7 android phones, three tablets, Android TV etc... and all of them are not as fluid when navigating their interface as my wife's iphone3 and 4.
It seems with andriod there is a constant push to minimise lags, jerkiness, responsiveness issues. I have probably flashed over 100 different rom's on all these devices, and it has never been as smooth as an ios device. It seems this is just not possible, despite "project butter" whatever it was called.
Now it seems this has been backed up by a new responsiveness measuring tool, and even my (fantastic) SGS4 is 2.5x slower than the iphone5.
Have a look at this article:
http://venturebeat.com/2013/09/19/a...een-is-2-5-times-faster-than-android-devices/
or here
http://appglimpse.com/blog/
Personally, I am OK with how my SGS4 is, but it is just not as smooth as my wife's iphone4... never has been, regardless of Stock/CM/AOSP/other rom.
Is there a technical explanation/reason for this?
Cheers
Mark.
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Hello guys,
Personally, I am OK with how my SGS4 is, but it is just not as smooth as my wife's iphone4... never has been, regardless of Stock/CM/AOSP/other rom.
Is there a technical explanation/reason for this?
Cheers
Mark.
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There are multiple reasons for it. One is that iOS is designed specifically for their hardware so they can make special optimisations for it, Android is a generic OS designed to run on any device. Another is down to what the OS is actually doing, such as widgets. iOS has no concept of widgets, whereas Android does. Those widgets use CPU time, time which isn't then being devoted to other things. This leans in to multitasking. iOS tends to tombstone apps not in the foreground, Android doesn't.
I can't imagine anything more fluid than my HTC one......
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There are multiple reasons for it. One is that iOS is designed specifically for their hardware so they can make special optimisations for it, Android is a generic OS designed to run on any device. Another is down to what the OS is actually doing, such as widgets. iOS has no concept of widgets, whereas Android does. Those widgets use CPU time, time which isn't then being devoted to other things. This leans in to multitasking. iOS tends to tombstone apps not in the foreground, Android doesn't.
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Hi FFM,
Yeah, I can see all those things as viable reasons considering how fluid it is for a user running a typical system, ie with widgets made by all sorts of 3rd party developers etc.
I think the measurement tools they were using was not doing basic interface from the home screen, but responsiveness of the actual screen to commands in a single app, like typing or a game for example. Perhaps the more open architecture of android means resources are spread more widely, that there are more "channels" left open for any given app to communicate/share info with others... all taking up resources.
I do find it frustrating that I cannot ever seem to get a phone/rom which has no lag/stuttering... and all my rom flashing and customising seems to do very little really... no more than flashing the same rom on a factory wiped phone... which is another point, it seems all my android devices are a bit like Windows in that they tend to get slower and slower over time.
Ah well, just interested to find out what the technical reasons for these things are.
tx
Mark.
IAmNice said:
I smell a troll.
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what an idiotic zealot.
All those little issues you mention are why I stopped flashing custom ROM's. Generally, stock ROMS tend to perform better than ones thrown together by enthusiasts, depending on who makes your handset, of course.
FloatingFatMan said:
All those little issues you mention are why I stopped flashing custom ROM's. Generally, stock ROMS tend to perform better than ones thrown together by enthusiasts, depending on who makes your handset, of course.
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Yeah, I may return to stock... though I would be much happier if my stock was Andriod v.latest = nexus phone... which may have to be my next one.
Cheers mate.
mark.
You're welcome. Always a pleasure to have a sensible conversation. They can be pretty rare on here, what with all the idiots and trolls stinking up the place.