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How high do you think we can clock the processors on the EVO 3D? I recall they are 1.5 ghz chips underclocked to conserve battery life. Think these can hit that magical 2.0? Or at least 1.8?
I could see maybe 1.6 but honestly nothing over 1.4ghz is worth it... (batter>speed)
And nothing currently requires anything over 1.2ghz or 1.5ghz for that matter, other than peoples e-penis.
Id like to see a 1.4ghz uv kernel over 1.8ghz 1 hour battery killer but I will use and test all of them
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nate420 said:
I could see maybe 1.6 but honestly nothing over 1.4ghz is worth it... (batter>speed)
And nothing currently requires anything over 1.2ghz or 1.5ghz for that matter, other than peoples e-penis.
Id like to see a 1.4ghz uv kernel over 1.8ghz 1 hour battery killer but I will use and test all of them
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Well that's your opinion. I highly doubt a overclocking the processor to 1.8 would bring the phone down to one hour of battery life. It's not like it would be constantly running at that speed. I would prefer speed over battery life as I charge my phone every night and have plenty left over even overclocked to almost 1.3 on my EVO.
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I could see maybe 1.6 but honestly nothing over 1.4ghz is worth it... (batter>speed)
And nothing currently requires anything over 1.2ghz or 1.5ghz for that matter, other than peoples e-penis.
Id like to see a 1.4ghz uv kernel over 1.8ghz 1 hour battery killer but I will use and test all of them
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I think this is less about practicality and more about pushing our phone to the limits. overclocking on an already fast enough processor on a device which runs for the most part on battery, is not needed. however it is fun and nice to see the benchmarks soar.
I say 1.8ghz-2ghz
If they're anything like the EVO 4G, then it wont be a very high overclock
But assuming all are capable of 1.5 GHz, then it would be at least a 400-450 MHz overclock!
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If they're anything like the EVO 4G, then it wont be a very high overclock
But assuming all are capable of 1.5 GHz, then it would be at least a 400-450 MHz overclock!
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My g2x was overclocked to 1.6ghz and its only a 1ghz dual core phone...
Id say we could see maybe 1.8ghz if this phone is really 1.5 dropped down to 1.2
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fmedina2 said:
Well that's your opinion. I highly doubt a overclocking the processor to 1.8 would bring the phone down to one hour of battery life. It's not like it would be constantly running at that speed. I would prefer speed over battery life as I charge my phone every night and have plenty left over even overclocked to almost 1.3 on my EVO.
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Again for e-penis and bragging rights on benchmarks nothing more...
As for saying 1.8 oc would kill it in a hour I was joking...
And I bet dollars to donuts you don't see a change in "speed" past 1.6ghz other than a hot battery.
Ginger bread can't fully optimize dual cores it does the job but untill a new os is out
no point ruining a battery for "speed" you won't see
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While performance is key, I'd say this phone is well above the bar of expectations for most Android Apps at the current time. I'm more interested in squeezing the most battery life I possibly can via Underclocking. It will be nice to see how far this can be pushed with Two Cores to spread the workload across.
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I could see maybe 1.6 but honestly nothing over 1.4ghz is worth it... (batter>speed)
And nothing currently requires anything over 1.2ghz or 1.5ghz for that matter, other than peoples e-penis.
Id like to see a 1.4ghz uv kernel over 1.8ghz 1 hour battery killer but I will use and test all of them
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btw the way i have the bigest e penis lol it is googolplex inchs
why are people saying such low numbers the second gen snapdragons can go to what 1.9? if ours is 1.5 stock dropped down to 1.2 then i think we can at least hit 2
I'd bet that the chips in these phones will be those that were unstable at 1.5 ghz. That's how chip makers do these things. They make them all the same, then those with unstable silicon are sold as a lower clock speed. Not sure I'd expect over 1.5 and that might require higher voltage. Hope I'm wrong. We'll see I guess.
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I'd bet that the chips in these phones will be those that were unstable at 1.5 ghz. That's how chip makers do these things. They make them all the same, then those with unstable silicon are sold as a lower clock speed. Not sure I'd expect over 1.5 and that might require higher voltage. Hope I'm wrong. We'll see I guess.
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Wrong, to lazy to explain for now.
toxicfumes22 said:
Wrong.....
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OK, a little less lazy right now. But simply the way that manufactures choose the speeds for processors is actually simple. In the case of the 3D it IS underclocked. The processor is an asynchronous dual core with clock speeds initially set at 1.5 by Qualcom and is used in Qualcom's phone they produce for developers. It is underclocked by HTC because of battery problems listed from the 4G and the unnecessary need of 1.5GHz in a F*ing phone. Manufactures for the most part do not underclock the CPU. The reason it is set at the level it is, is because it is most stable, efficient and meets the heat extraction needs (People forget CPUs are just circuits and produce heat with more voltage). OK lets back this up shall we. OK.
That is why I'm too lazy to post thing, I have to search up a link cause most of this is my general knowledge. Anyways, the QSD8650 found in the EVO 4G is clocked at 1GHz and has been posted to a stable 1.3GHz I believe by a recent post. Now the MSM8660 is posted to be a 1.5GHz CPU, so its overclocking potential is more near 2GHz but I would suspect it to get a little warm(sweaty palms anyone?) and I wouldn't know how stable it would be either (I don't know phones the best). Why is it underclocked? Because people kept *****ing at how much battery the EVO used and as technology improves so does the efficiency of CPUs so they go with the most recent and just underclock it. I've seen a comparison graph somewhere by Qualcom but I spent about 10minutes looking for it and couldn't find it but it was really nifty. If someone finds it plz post it, it shows the energy vs Clock speed and it is very cool.
Anyways, to respond to whoever said that the 1.5GHz is the max and that all manufacturers underclock the CPU based upon the silicon is WRONG, wrong WrOnG and Rong/wong (Im sorry I dont remember the exact response). Anyways, its the heat extraction and the silicon hurts it because it doesn't let all the heat through, which is one of the reason your PS3 may have yellow lighted on you(Yes its because of the CPU disconnecting from the Motherboard, but why do you think this extra heat was generated?).
Sorry this is so long and I got distracted a few times while writing it so it I messed up or something doesn't make sense I apologize but being lazy is really a pain in the ass.
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I'd bet that the chips in these phones will be those that were unstable at 1.5 ghz. That's how chip makers do these things. They make them all the same, then those with unstable silicon are sold as a lower clock speed. Not sure I'd expect over 1.5 and that might require higher voltage. Hope I'm wrong. We'll see I guess.
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That would be the case if this wasn't an MSM 8660. You're thinking like when AMD makes chips for the HD 6970 and some are found not to be stable at 880 mhz so they bin it to use in the HD 6950 which runs at 800 mhz. These are actually sold as two separate products. In the case of the processor in the Evo it's an MSM 8660 which is sold by qualcomm to be run at speeds as high as 1.5 ghz. If they wanted to sell chips binned for lower speeds they'd have to sell it as a different model since it wouldn't be capable of the 1.5hz.
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why are people saying such low numbers the second gen snapdragons can go to what 1.9? if ours is 1.5 stock dropped down to 1.2 then i think we can at least hit 2
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1.9?
No sir it was 1.19stable...
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That would be the case if this wasn't an MSM 8660. You're thinking like when AMD makes chips for the HD 6970 and some are found not to be stable at 880 mhz so they bin it to use in the HD 6950 which runs at 800 mhz. These are actually sold as two separate products. In the case of the processor in the Evo it's an MSM 8660 which is sold by qualcomm to be run at speeds as high as 1.5 ghz. If they wanted to sell chips binned for lower speeds they'd have to sell it as a different model since it wouldn't be capable of the 1.5hz.
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Can you explain this to me please.
toxic and donatom,
Your explanations make perfect sense. So I hope to be wrong. Does qualcomm sell a processor with that same architecture and a lower clock advertised?
Just seems like they're not gonna throw them away if they are stable and 1.2 or 1.4 but less stable at 1.5+. The 3vo seems like a good way for them to unload those processors.
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toxic and donatom,
Your explanations make perfect sense. So I hope to be wrong. Does qualcomm sell a processor with that same architecture and a lower clock advertised?
Just seems like they're not gonna throw them away if they are stable and 1.2 or 1.4 but less stable at 1.5+. The 3vo seems like a good way for them to unload those processors.
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To my knowledge, if this happens it gets recycled. But.....if this happens a lot then they need to change their manufacturing process or that the technology isn't there yet. Like now we have the technology to do 64GB MicroSD, but why do it because most devices can only do 32GB. For the companies that do sell them, well....I don't have good words for them, I also don't know of this happening. I can understand that it could be useful for donations to universities or others that could use them for damn near free prices, but not resold even under a different name.
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Can you explain this to me please.
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Well in the case of AMD with many of their chip lines they produce a higher end chip. The ones that don't fully pass the tests at the higher speed get sold as a different model with a lower clock and voltage.
I have the most experience with the HD 6970 and 6950. They both use the same GPU, but the ones in the 6950 didn't pass AMD's tests at higher speeds so they are set at a lower clock and voltage than the 6970 (they also have some shaders disbaled). They are sold as two different models even though they were made the exact same way with the same silicone. This is not new chip manufacturers have been doing this for a while.
Think of it this way I make 100k chips out of those 100k I'm going to have a percentage that can't perform at their top performance, so instead of throwing them away I make a different model and underclock it and still make money on the chips that didn't pass at the higher speed. Now sometimes I will sell more of the lower end model so I actually have to take some chips that probably would have passed as the higher end model and sell them at the lower end. In this case the user gets lucky and can unlock their chip to the performance of the higher priced model.
EDIT: What HTC is doing here is buying a 1.5ghz chip but purposely underclocking it to save battery, since they figured most users wouldn't see the .3 ghz difference but would see the difference in battery life. Again in video cards you see this but usually the other way around. A manufacturer such as Asus, gigabyte, whomever takes the best of their chips they bought and overclocks them because again some were made even better than the standards set by AMD or Nvidia.
I guess what I'm trying to say here is that ALL these chips should do 1.5 ghz stable without question, unless there isn't enough space inside for the cooling requirements at 1.5ghz (which I doubt), and most should easily go above 1.6.
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To my knowledge, if this happens it gets recycled. But.....if this happens a lot then they need to change their manufacturing process or that the technology isn't there yet. Like now we have the technology to do 64GB MicroSD, but why do it because most devices can only do 32GB. For the companies that do sell them, well....I don't have good words for them, I also don't know of this happening. I can understand that it could be useful for donations to universities or others that could use them for damn near free prices, but not resold even under a different name.
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This is something that happens mostly in higher end processors because their tolerances at those speeds are less forgiving. No manufacturing process is perfect, you're going to have some that won't perform at those very high speeds, and recycling would cost more to the company and environment then simply selling them at lower speeds. These chips are not bad, and not defective, just found to not be stable at those highest speeds, but are perfectly fine at the speeds they are being sold at, so why throw them away. If they don't meet the standards at the lower speed then yes they would be recycled.
Simple question. Is the 3VO's processor really 1.5 ghz underclocked to 1.2? I had seen this information floating around, but none of my searches are able to find anything firmly confirming or denying this.
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That's what I've also heard, however I still can't find anything to confirm or deny.
Nobody knows, eh?
Yes it is underclocked.
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Sources????
You can't be serious? This has been discussed and answered dozens of times... Google MSM8660..
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You can't be serious? This has been discussed and answered dozens of times... Google MSM8660..
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That doesn't help, the MSM8660 comes in a 1.2 Ghz and a 1.5 Ghz variant.
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That doesn't help, the MSM8660 comes in a 1.2 Ghz and a 1.5 Ghz variant.
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It comes in two different factory clocks, which is what you said.. One is lower than the other because of manufacturer requests and the it being pointless to have 1.5 on a phone. If I were to pull the CPU's supported frequencies, it will say it supports 1512000, which is 1.5Ghz. The 8672 comes factory clocked at 1.5Ghz... They are all the same SoC, but with different applications. Such as one being CDMA support other being GSM. The ones that come in 1.2Ghz is because it is being used on a phone. If it were a tablet, or netbook, the clock would be 1.5Ghz which would be the 8672 or 8660..
Rest assured that 1.5Ghz is a frequency supported for the 8660...
In the end, they are the same SoC, running the same architecture. There is nothing different from the MSM 8260, 8660 and 8672 (which is cancelled). They are all under the 45nm process also.
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It comes in two different factory clocks, which is what you said.. One is lower than the other because of manufacturer requests and the it being pointless to have 1.5 on a phone. If I were to pull the CPU's supported frequencies, it will say it supports 1512000, which is 1.5Ghz. The 8672 comes factory clocked at 1.5Ghz... They are all the same SoC, but with different applications. Such as one being CDMA support of GSM. The ones that come in 1.2Ghz is because it is being used on a phone. If it were a tablet, or netbook, the clock would be 1.5Ghz
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Too bad you can't be sure of that. That MAY be the case, but it may also be the case that the 1.2 MSM8660s are the lower binned chips and the 1.5 are the higher binned units. This is done all the time in the CPU world. Someone gave an example here of how AMD sold the Barton 2500+ CPU which was really just a lower binned 3200+, a CPU that was far more expensive.
Your point that they are all the same SOC is not relevant, Intel and AMD for example have sold many processors which are all identical in architecture and every spec down to TDP, and the only difference is the frequency. It is just that the higher binned chips become the higher speced CPUs and the lower binned ones become the lower end ones. This doesn't mean that a lower binned CPU can't exceed its specification but it does mean that its likely that the higher binned CPU can go even higher. In any case, they are certainly not equal.
Just because they are the same SOC, does not mean you can assume that the 1.2 and 1.5 Ghz units are the same. That's like assuming the Intel Pentium 4 2.4C and the 3.0C are the same. They are the exact same CPU, same architecture, same cache, FSB, etc except one is clocked a bit higher and is of a higher bin. The 3.0C was the superior unit (Higher bin, better ability to overclock, etc).
My point is, we don't actually know if Qualcomm is giving us simply downclocked versions of the 1.5 or if our 1.2s are just lower binned 1.5s. The latter would make more sense for them in terms of profits, therefore its not surprising that this is a common practice in the industry.
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Too bad you can't be sure of that. That MAY be the case, but it may also be the case that the 1.2 MSM8660s are the lower binned chips and the 1.5 are the higher binned units. This is done all the time in the CPU world. Someone gave an example here of how AMD sold the Barton 2500+ CPU which was really just a lower binned 3200+, a CPU that was far more expensive.
Your point that they are all the same SOC is not relevant, Intel and AMD for example have sold many processors which are all identical in architecture and every spec down to TDP, and the only difference is the frequency. It is just that the higher binned chips become the higher speced CPUs and the lower binned ones become the lower end ones. This doesn't mean that a lower binned CPU can't exceed its specification but it does mean that its likely that the higher binned CPU can go even higher. In any case, they are certainly not equal.
Just because they are the same SOC, does not mean you can assume that the 1.2 and 1.5 Ghz units are the same. That's like assuming the Intel Pentium 4 2.4C and the 3.0C are the same. They are the exact same CPU, same architecture, same cache, FSB, etc except one is clocked a bit higher and is of a higher bin. The 3.0C was the superior unit (Higher bin, better ability to overclock, etc).
My point is, we don't actually know if Qualcomm is giving us simply downclocked versions of the 1.5 or if our 1.2s are just lower binned 1.5s. The latter would make more sense for them in terms of profits, its not surprise that this is a common practice in the industry.
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I see what you are talking about.. I forgot about bins. I know for it on PC's, but didn't think much of it for a smartphone.
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I'm going to say you may be right about the bins. There are some people on here who can't reach past 1.5 for the life of god.
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Yeah, regardless though, our CPUs are already doing 1.8 stable and maybe even higher, that's plenty fast for me so I don't really care if the 1.5s are even better at clocking (well I might care if I start seeing the 1.5 phones breaking 2 Ghz haha).
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Yeah, regardless though, our CPUs are already doing 1.8 stable and maybe even higher, that's plenty fast for me so I don't really care if the 1.5s are even better at clocking (well I might care if I start seeing the 1.5 phones breaking 2 Ghz haha).
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You've been thanked for reminding me of the bins. Not once did that come into mind.
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No worries man.
Is there a way to overclock the Adreno 220 GPU that I consider to be laying dormant as of now inside the HTC EVO 3D and Sensation? I read some of post the the Desire HD section that mentioned they were jealous that the sensation already got a GPU overclock but they didn't provide a link and my searches have come up with nothing. If I could, I would post a link, but I didn't find anything. If anyone could provide a hit of clarity or insight into this topic, please do.
there is already a thread requesting that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1285205
here is the sensation kernel:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1256668
Dear god I wouldn't do that. The adreno 220 is a very good gpu. I think it's the fastest one commercially available.
Plus I've had a bad history with gpu overclocking. I tried overclocking my ATI 4820 and it just ended up not working at all
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FYI, just about every single ROM available right now already has overclocked GPU, check the changelogs/feature lists.
well thank you for redirecting me, and i was hoping somebody would have made some sort of app as was done for the Samsung GSII, but thank you nonetheless
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FYI, just about every single ROM available right now already has overclocked GPU, check the changelogs/feature lists.
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From every ROM I've ever seen they never say the GPU has been overclocked. That requires Kernel modified.
Everything I've seen states "GPU Tweaks" which I believe only means they've tweaked the amount of memory allocated or the MPAA settings. Which is just a simple prop edit.
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roms cant overclock the GPU - it is overclocked in the kernel - most roms use stock kernel.
im working on a kernel now to OC the GPU to qualcomm spec. (so its not really being overclocked - but it is abt 40mhz faster than HTC spec)
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roms cant overclock the GPU - it is overclocked in the kernel - most roms use stock kernel.
im working on a kernel now to OC the GPU to qualcomm spec. (so its not really being overclocked - but it is abt 40mhz faster than HTC spec)
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how is this thread going ?
I would really much like to see the possibility to overclock the adreno 220 because I think we can gain a lot of preformance in games etc..
hope someone looks in to it
Actually that isn't over clocking at all. Thats the normal speed. Htc under clocked it on us.
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Umm its been here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1318005
It overclocks the gpu to either 300 mhz or 320
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is this gonna work on Europe version?
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Actually that isn't over clocking at all. Thats the normal speed. Htc under clocked it on us.
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qualcomm spec was 320MHz max (for HW001 and HW002)
i have 2 kernels - 1 @ 300 and 1 @ 320
How the andrino 220 stack up now,compare to the iphone 4S one and the mali 400,any answers will be greatly appreciated.
I am looking to buy a new phone,i don't like iphones,my current one is a Vibrant,so i am thinking about the Galaxys 2 from T mobile.
But since it use a 1.5 qualcoom cpu and andreno 220 GPU i don't know,since i don't know that GPU well,i don't know if it is weak or not,i love the Vibrant GPU it was quite ahead of anything until the Tegra 2 arrived.
Let's summarize for a second here:
The Qualcomm CPU is built for 1.5GHz, but underclocked to 1.2 GHz to save on battery and heat.
The Adreno 220 is underclocked to save on battery and heat.
The Adreno 220 is anywhere from ~5-50% faster than the Tegra 2 dependent on the benchmark/utility/application
The Adreno 220 (even underclocked) will perform so well that any mobile game out today will run without any perceived negative performance that is humanly detectible.
The Adreno 220 performs so well that the above will still be true for any mobile game that comes out between now and the time you get your next device
With the above facts true, there is effectively zero reason to currently want or need to overclock the GPU. What reason did you have to want to? Just to say you did? The way I see it the perceived benefits can't possibly outweigh the risks. I'm not sure (without doing the research) but I believe the Adreno 220 is still the best performing GPU on the market.
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Let's summarize for a second here:
The Qualcomm CPU is built for 1.5GHz, but underclocked to 1.2 GHz to save on battery and heat.
The Adreno 220 is underclocked to save on battery and heat.
The Adreno 220 is anywhere from ~5-50% faster than the Tegra 2 dependent on the benchmark/utility/application
The Adreno 220 (even underclocked) will perform so well that any mobile game out today will run without any perceived negative performance that is humanly detectible.
The Adreno 220 performs so well that the above will still be true for any mobile game that comes out between now and the time you get your next device
With the above facts true, there is effectively zero reason to currently want or need to overclock the GPU. What reason did you have to want to? Just to say you did? The way I see it the perceived benefits can't possibly outweigh the risks. I'm not sure (without doing the research) but I believe the Adreno 220 is still the best performing GPU on the market.
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I have see some performance test and at least vs the Mali 400 which the other galaxy have is actually the slowest,i actually have read some reviews that say the T mobile one is the weakest performance wise thanks to the Adreno 220,but saw some text in which the Adreno was faster than the Tegra 2.
Since i am looking to buy a T mobile galaxy S i am trying to get the most research to see if i get it or not.
Hi guys! I was just checking out this thread in the Bionic section and they have an overclock without that many prerequisites. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1439013All we need is a rom with init.D support and tekahuna's "symsearch.ko" and "opptimizer.ko" modules. DroidTh3ory already has init.D support in this Bionic rom so if we could get that in our roms and just find a way to apply tekahuna's modules, our device may be able to get an overclock. Let me know what you guys think. I'm not sure if this is possible but I just want to try and help the Razr XDA community. Sorry if this is arbitrary and completely unapplicable to our device.
Intriguing - conveniently, there's a thread on enabling init.d support that just popped up: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1444545
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From what I read in original thread on rootzwiki Razr can gain only 50MHz addition with this.
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From what I read in original thread on rootzwiki Razr can gain only 50MHz addition with this.
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Ha, funny. Given the RAZR is factory overclocked to 1.2ghz, I suppose it's to be expected. I've underclocked mine to the 1ghz the chip is rated for to save juice anyway.
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razr is not overclocked versus the other omap4430 1.0Ghz devices. Parts are tested in the fab, and the ones that can do 1.2g without crash andd without heating a lot are selled to be 1.2-compatible. Other are only 1.0G approved.
It means also that overclocking a 1.0 to 1.2 may cause crash and excessive heat.
For the 1.2G parts of the razr, don't expect great overclock. the omap is more enclosed than in bionic and is already reaching the thermal policy barriere that underclock it when intensive use. If you clock the opp-max over this frequency, you will hit the barrier faster and then finish by using lower opps most of time...
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razr is not overclocked versus the other omap4430 1.0Ghz devices. Parts are tested in the fab, and the ones that can do 1.2g without crash andd without heating a lot are selled to be 1.2-compatible. Other are only 1.0G approved.
It means also that overclocking a 1.0 to 1.2 may cause crash and excessive heat.
For the 1.2G parts of the razr, don't expect great overclock. the omap is more enclosed than in bionic and is already reaching the thermal policy barriere that underclock it when intensive use. If you clock the opp-max over this frequency, you will hit the barrier faster and then finish by using lower opps most of time...
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Interesting, so not all 4430s are born equal? Is there an actual variant thereof rated at 1.2, or do they actually test every single chip individually? I wasn't implying it's unstable at 1.2ghz, and hardware design does of course come into it as you've said, but as far as I'm aware it's the exact same chip that TI rated at 1.0.
Perhaps 'clocked higher than the chip has been generally rated for by its manufacturer' is a more accurate description than 'factory overclocked'?
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hmmm.. this is all very interesting. I feel like the OMAP 4430 in the Razr should be at more capable than 1.2ghz. My OG Droid ran stable at 1.275ghz and it had a 3430 which was built on the 65nm chip process vs the 45 in the Razr. I must say 1.25gz as a max is quite underwhelming. I was hoping this bad boy would at least be capable of 1.5ghz.
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hmmm.. this is all very interesting. I feel like the OMAP 4430 in the Razr should be at more capable than 1.2ghz. My OG Droid ran stable at 1.275ghz and it had a 3430 which was built on the 65nm chip process vs the 45 in the Razr. I must say 1.25gz as a max is quite underwhelming. I was hoping this bad boy would at least be capable of 1.5ghz.
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I feel the same, but reality is cruel
I read some time ago on a tech website that the 4460 (1.5) and the 4430 were made from the exact same materials. The only difference is that the ones that hit a very high threshold at 1.5 were stamped 1.5. 4460's. It's not that the 4430's couldn't do 1.5ghz , most could. Just that they couldn't run the benchmark all the way to the end the amount of times needed to qualify. Odds are that any 4430 could do 1.5ghz and probably stable. We will never stress it out the way these benchmarks do.
Does anybody know if this hack could actually work and allow us to overclock our device. I think we can worry about how far we can overclock after we get an actual overclock lol. Would anyone be able to rewrite the "symsearch.ko" and "opptimizer.ko" modules for our device so we can get an overclock on our device?
MeNaCe2s0cieTy said:
Does anybody know if this hack could actually work and allow us to overclock our device. I think we can worry about how far we can overclock after we get an actual overclock lol. Would anyone be able to rewrite the "symsearch.ko" and "opptimizer.ko" modules for our device so we can get an overclock on our device?
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No rewriting necessary. It was developed on a RAZR. Available in the download section of the OPPtimizer site. 0.1 modules only adjust top frequency. 0.2 modules adjust top frequency and voltage. As stated on the homepage, symsearch.ko is the creation of Skrilax_CZ. In case you don't know who that is, he's the guy who got 2nd-init functioning for all of us.
http://opptimizer.googlecode.com
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greg_mp said:
razr is not overclocked versus the other omap4430 1.0Ghz devices. Parts are tested in the fab, and the ones that can do 1.2g without crash andd without heating a lot are selled to be 1.2-compatible. Other are only 1.0G approved.
It means also that overclocking a 1.0 to 1.2 may cause crash and excessive heat.
For the 1.2G parts of the razr, don't expect great overclock. the omap is more enclosed than in bionic and is already reaching the thermal policy barriere that underclock it when intensive use. If you clock the opp-max over this frequency, you will hit the barrier faster and then finish by using lower opps most of time...
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Very true, and something to consider the when overclocking OMAP4 devices. They don't clock as high as some would think. Although, I'm not so sure that the lag that most people are describing is the thermal policy kicking in. I've noticed that this lag can be cleared up with additional voltage, and not exhibit the behavior of getting clamped down on by the thermal policy. For example, 1250MHz on my Droid RAZR at stock 1.375V, is flaky, bump the nominal voltage to 1.388V, and it holds, and up to 1280MHz without the lagging condition.
You appear to be well informed on this subject. Good points you raise!
Lol. I'm still trying to understand the fact that we had a overclock this entire time. I never found one on the forums but I guess we had the tools available all this time. I honestly didn't know we had one.
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MeNaCe2s0cieTy said:
Lol. I'm still trying to understand the fact that we had a overclock this entire time. I never found one on the forums but I guess we had the tools available all this time. I honestly didn't know we had one.
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The kernel modules were only recently release. Some early testing was done in the LG Thrill community, as that was my original test device. Development was stalled a little by issues which I now realize were with the LG Thrill's kernel itself, rather than what I was doing. Got a RAZR on opening day and was able to come up with some code I feel comfortable releasing. It's only been available to the public for about a week now. I think some RAZR's will hit low 1300's... Don't know about much more.
Does this work? Is there a script for it? I have init.d support on stock from a bionic init.d cwr zip from droidrazr.com that works. What would a script look like to change voltages/ect?
Nevermind i see...its in the download section on link.
How do you run it or setup?
frostincredible on RootzWiki has created some flashable zip for Bionic, but they only work for my 0.1 modules that only support frequency manipulation. I have 0.2 modules that control voltage as well for Droid 3. You can open up his zip file and get an idea how to get things going with init.d... You can actually use his script, and just modify the echo line to say "echo 1122000000 1388000 > /proc/opptimizer", to send a voltage value, along with frequency.
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/14698-in...or-tekahunas-omap4-overclock-modules-1-10-12/
Page 2/3/4 on the official thread also has some info on init.d scripts for this.
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/14511-op...ng-kernel-modulesofficial-thread/page__st__20
CDjones over on DroidForums.net also started a good thread with some useful information:
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/dr...imental-voltage-control-support-tekahuna.html
Not the same device, but same idea.
orateam said:
I read some time ago on a tech website that the 4460 (1.5) and the 4430 were made from the exact same materials. The only difference is that the ones that hit a very high threshold at 1.5 were stamped 1.5. 4460's. It's not that the 4430's couldn't do 1.5ghz , most could. Just that they couldn't run the benchmark all the way to the end the amount of times needed to qualify. Odds are that any 4430 could do 1.5ghz and probably stable. We will never stress it out the way these benchmarks do.
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This is not true. OMAP4460 and OMAP4430 are different chips. E.G. there are [email protected] and [email protected] the fact that the 2 products exists should be enough to say there are different.
I reckon they are not drastically different, most of the things are common.
So has anyone gained any noticable performance improvements with this? Also so it can 0nly be OC'd to 50mz more so 1.25ghz is the max? At this point is this mod developed enough for the razr for it to be a usable worth while tweak? Not dogging any devs just want to see if its worth it yet to start messing with this...
Also in the download section there is now this "MO_simple_spyder_1.5-beta-01.zip Milestone Overclock ported to Motorola Droid RAZR"
Whats that?
It depends on your particular processor, because every one is little bit different. I was able to run mine at 1300 MHz quite stable with stock voltage. But I don't see any need for more CPU power now, maybe someday
More interesting is undervolting to achieve longer battery life, which can be done with OPPtimizer too.
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It depends on your particular processor, because every one is little bit different. I was able to run mine at 1300 MHz quite stable with stock voltage. But I don't see any need for more CPU power now, maybe someday
More interesting is undervolting to achieve longer battery life, which can be done with OPPtimizer too.
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Has anyone had any good success with undervolting and battery life?
I do not yet have a Nexus 7 to test this with. You use this at your own risk!
This is the first real kernel work I've done, so don't be surprised if it doesn't work. I've only provided a boot.img as fastboot is easy enough to use on the Nexus 7.
Features (If it works):
CPU OC to 1.7GHz maximum
CPU over volt to hopefully reach 1.7GHz
GPU OC to 600MHz
Simple IO scheduler
SmartAssV2 CPU governor
The boot.img is attached. Source can be found at my github.
If anyone here has a Nexus 7 it would be very helpful to know if it works. I should have mine soon though. If it works well, enjoy. Feedback is always welcomed, as are benchmarks. Thanks.
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This is scary looking, an untested Overclock that's never been run on the hardware before.
I'm guessing that the T30L is just a speed binned T30 and as such this shouldn't damage it. The same overvolt (and higher) has been successful on the T30 to get even higher clocks (1.8GHz). I would test this given hardware, however I don't yet have my Nexus 7.
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I'm guessing that the T30L is just a speed binned T30 and as such this shouldn't damage it. The same overvolt (and higher) has been successful on the T30 to get even higher clocks (1.8GHz). I would test this given hardware, however I don't yet have my Nexus 7.
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This sounds interesting. Especially the 600mhz gpu OC but may I ask if you are thinking of implementing some kind of app interface to control gpu clock and voltages etc like Extweeks on google play please? As I am guessing a lot of people won't be able to go to 600mhz stably, so a way to change the OC to something like 520mhz (to bring it to T30 speed) would be a good option
I've seen voltage tweaks controlled from userspace on other devices but not the GPU clock. I'd like to get it working first, then I guess I'll look at such things, especially if there is interest.
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This is scary looking, an untested Overclock that's never been run on the hardware before.
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you go first!
bencozzy said:
Glados kernel on the galaxy nexus allows gpu oc control.
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Siyah kernel for the galaxy s2 and galaxy s3 both let you control gpu clock speed and voltages, might be cool to have something similar
I don't even have my Nexus yet, and i'm already downloading things to flash to it, hahah. Will report back once Google ships to the US!
if this kernel works can we control the clocks with antutu or similar?
The CPU clock should be controllable, and I'm working on making the overvolt controllable. The GPU clock is not yet controllable, and I'm not so sure where to start on that.
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The CPU clock should be controllable, and I'm working on making the overvolt controllable. The GPU clock is not yet controllable, and I'm not so sure where to start on that.
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you should put the gpu clock to 520mhz arnt t30l 413mhz stock and kai would be even slower assuming its the budget tegra3 soc
Right, here's the thing. I've spoofed the SoC speedo ID to be that of the standard T30, however, without looking through with a fine tooth comb, it seems that the top that that id goes is 600MHz. In usage, it may be 520MHz, but I'm not sure. In addition I'm fairly sure these are just speed binned, and can probably run at the higher clocks if we just add a bit more voltage, or they get a little hotter. If anyone can tell me if this actually works, then I can adjust either way.
Look at tegra3_dvfs.c, line 256-262. It seems to indicate a maximum of 600MHz.
This should be helpful to you. tegra3 technical reference manual. everything there is to know about all variants of the chip. how it works, what its capable of, schematics, diagrams, chip layout, etc,,
http://db.tt/vWWou2Fu
Thanks but I already have access to NVidia's Tegra portal, which includes the TRM for Tegra 2 and Tegra 3. I'm hoping I shouldn't have to mess with it that low level
I don't understand why anyone would want to overclock a Tegra3, which is plenty fast enough already, especially when they have never even touched the device.
Also, I don't understand why anyone with any sense would use Simple IO scheduler, which has a higher latency and lower throughput than deadline, or even the bloat that is CFQ for that matter.
And finally, I don't understand why any real 'developer' would release something like this without testing it, especially with possibly dangerous overclocking and overvoltage settings. Only on XDA...
With all due respect, you should remove it until you have tested it *yourself* and confirmed that it doesn't make your Nexus 7 vanish in a cloud of smoke.
When I feel the need the need for speed owww.
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I don't understand why anyone would want to overclock a Tegra3, which is plenty fast enough already, especially when they have never even touched the device.
Also, I don't understand why anyone with any sense would use Simple IO scheduler, which has a higher latency and lower throughput than deadline, or even the bloat that is CFQ for that matter.
And finally, I don't understand why any real 'developer' would release something like this without testing it, especially with possibly dangerous overclocking and overvoltage settings. Only on XDA...
With all due respect, you should remove it until you have tested it *yourself* and confirmed that it doesn't make your Nexus 7 vanish in a cloud of smoke.
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Our Tegra 3 CPU is a lower clock version that the normal T30, it's the T30L. I have no doubt that this will not damage your device, the voltages used are still less than used by some TF201 ROMs (the TF201 uses the T30). I included Simple IO scheduler since it is something that seems popular, latency isn't the only thing that matters (read http://www.vincentkong.com/wiki/-/w...42041E#section-Android+IO+Schedulers-Deadline). I have seen benchmarks that show both SIO and deadline as better than each other, it depends what metric you record. I didn't remove CFQ, it's not that I've added it. The scheduler can be changed if you so desire anyway.
I have not provided a simple flash package and I've clearly stated in red writing that this is UNTESTED. I do not have the device, and it is yes untested however I didn't see the point on keeping something potentially useful private. If you have the knowledge to use fastboot to flash a boot.img, you probably know how to flash back the old one too.
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I don't understand why anyone would want to overclock a Tegra3, which is plenty fast enough already, especially when they have never even touched the device.
Also, I don't understand why anyone with any sense would use Simple IO scheduler, which has a higher latency and lower throughput than deadline, or even the bloat that is CFQ for that matter.
And finally, I don't understand why any real 'developer' would release something like this without testing it, especially with possibly dangerous overclocking and overvoltage settings. Only on XDA...
With all due respect, you should remove it until you have tested it *yourself* and confirmed that it doesn't make your Nexus 7 vanish in a cloud of smoke.
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seriously harsh man, just because you don't understand doesn't mean its wrong, or right for that matter
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Our Tegra 3 CPU is a lower clock version that the normal T30, it's the T30L.
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I take it you understand why similar chips are rated at various speeds for different devices? Because they are designed with a lower thermal output and / or the cooling characteristics / power characteristics of the device are different. The T30L has lower speed apps processors, lower speed GPU and lower speed memory. All in all, it will pump out much less heat than a T30.
I have no doubt that this will not damage your device, the voltages used are still less than used by some TF201 ROMs (the TF201 uses the T30).
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You don't *know* that it won't damage someones device, you are assuming that it won't. The likelihood is that it probably won't, but would you stake your life on it? I wouldn't, and I've been doing Android kernel development for some time.
Also, this isn't the TF201, and it isn't the T30. It is a different device with different thermal characteristics and a different SoC, you can't compare them like that.
I included Simple IO scheduler since it is something that seems popular, latency isn't the only thing that matters
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Latency of reads and writes and throughput are the only 2 things which matter (and I mentioned both), and SIO is poor at both of them. Justin Bieber is popular, but he's still ****, so including something which is popular isn't really a good reason.
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foxorroxors said:
seriously harsh man, just because you don't understand doesn't mean its wrong, or right for that matter
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Harsh perhaps, but I prefer honest. Necessary, most certainly.
It is stupid and irresponsible to release something which is untested and potentially dangerous as it isn't fair on the poor muppet that flashes it and then f**ks their device up.
It has only been released because some 'developer' wants to make his epenis bigger by releasing something for a brand new device on XDA. Not that I am saying that he is the only one, there's plenty of others that do it, but as I have one of these on order I am taking an interest in these threads and was quite surprised with what I saw.
As someone who has done kernel development for some time now, I would never dream of releasing something I haven't tested thoroughly myself, or which I have got a trusted tester to thoroughly test, but hey, this is XDA and the standards are low.
ben1066 just out of curiosity may I ask how the gpu scales frequencies on the Tegra 3 t30l please? As I am used to the galaxy s2 and s3 where you have numerous frequency steps like 166mhz, 260mhz, 350mhz and 440mhz and you have an up and down threshold to govern whether you jump up or down the available frequencies, is this similar to how the gpu in works on the tegra 3 please?
Also when you say overclock the gpu, is it replacing 416mhz with 600mhz or is it adding an extra gpu frequency step after 416mhz, so 416mhz is still available to be used if needed? Sorry one last question, if the gpu does have frequency steps like other gpus, what ones are available for use please?
I am sorry to ask, I am just so curious about these questions, and I can't find them anywhere on the internet, so any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much