I just posted this same thread in another forum - so I apologize if you're seeing this twice but...
I've been reading thread after thread about the GPS issue. And I see that a lot of people are able to get at least SOME sort of GPS signal on their Primes (albeit, unusable ones in most cases). Would any of these units be 64GB units?
I have a 64GB in Amethyst Gray - I've had it since January 3rd. Pretty much every day after work, I head out on my balcony and sit there, like an idiot, trying to get SOME sort of signal that I even have a GPS unit built in. With either GPS Status or GPS Test - I get ABSOLUTELY NO GPS reception - none whatsoever. Not a single bird shows up with either app - and I've never had a lock on GPS (ever). I'm talking about sitting on the balcony for 30 minutes in the cold - crystal clear skies - holding the thing up in the air and it can't see a SINGLE bird!
Does anyone else have that issue? I've even taken the thing to work to test it. I work on the 29th floor of a building that's just a few blocks over from Lake Michigan (my window faces the lake - not the other buildings). Meaning - I have a completely unobstructed view of the sky over there - 29 floors up in the air - and the same thing - not a SINGLE blip.
I've tried deleting AGPS data, I've redownloaded it - I've tried with WiFi on - I've tried with WiFi off - I must have reset this thing at least 50 times in the past week playing around with different combinations (maybe I'll delete AGPS first, then reset, then redownload - or maybe I'll reset first, then delete AGPS, then reset again, then redownload and try with WiFi off - nope, maybe I'll reset first...).
This is all I've EVER seen:
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Any thoughts or ideas? I understand I'm not going to be able to navigate with this thing when I'm in the middle of the city of Chicago - but I WOULD like it to at least give me SOMETHING.
BTW, for what it's worth - I have not had a single issue with the WiFi - either at home, or at work... Seems to work perfectly fine for me.
Waiting for a sign...al..
I have a grey 64GB and the GPS seems to lock on, even without AGPS (driving through the country near my house with no wifi for miles)...I get accuracies in the 45 foot ballpark...Seriously, 45 feet should be good enough for nav though, if you are within 45 feet and can't figure it out, you should probably not be out of the house unsupervised......I just haven't tried to pre-cache any google maps and actually nav with it...But I work for Garmin, so suffice it to say, there is already a GPS in my car...I didn't really buy this to be a GPS (though it would be cool to have a 10 inch GPS...)
EDIT: My wifi works fine too... a bit weak in my cube, but we have a metal building, metal walls, and sometimes my computer has a hard time with the wifi...
My GPS - prime 64 GB gold, v.33 - works perfectly with gps status. Signal strenght isnt too good, but works okay for indoor....
Yeah - I'm trying to figure out if I actually have a defective unit (other than the normal GPS pains).
I just don't get it - I've never had a problem with getting a GPS signal on any other device (I have standalones, a couple of iPhones, a unit in my car's headunit, etc.).
My return period isn't until February 3rd - so I'm going to wait for ICS to see if that changes anything - although I'm doubting it will...
Any advice for me? Anything else I could possibly try?
kiefferr said:
I get accuracies in the 45 foot ballpark...Seriously, 45 feet should be good enough for nav though, if you are within 45 feet and can't figure it out, you should probably not be out of the house unsupervised......
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I would be happy with even a 90 foot accuracy - at least it would show signs of life!
I've never had a GPS signal at all.
Although this is somewhat irrelevant for this thread, as I have the 32GB model.
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Gps bad due to terrible or incorrect dop and vdop calculations .. notice in the bottom of the attached pict it shows infinite.... on my sgs 1.. this is not the case and it works correctly
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I get the same on my SGS2.
ALSO i think related to this is that i am getting no little blue circle on google maps showing the error.. is everyone else seeing this or do some of us just have defective phones/software..
strangely enough the accuracy eventually goes down. even after the long lock time and the navigation is fine.. all the way to work now tested with aura and google maps and not a narry wrong info..
Yes its not good just check out this video of the SGS Vs SGSII in GPS and it fails!!!
Real bad..I hope there is a fix for this. But this is the second time now!!! Samsung jsut don;t learn. The Omnia HD i8910 has amazing gps this is not acceptable!
I really don't seem to have any issues with my GPS accuracy, it locks my position quickly and has fairly good accuracy, heck it performs better indoors than my Milestone did.
I must have a faulty GPS sensor then? Time to post the phone back
Edit: look at my SGS Vs my SGSII . No vop or dvop data on the SGS2
I've been out Geocaching with my milestone and SGS2 side by side and there is no difference in the distances on the radar.....
I took a drive from south ready london to west without a hiccup. app or firmware specific? mine is ....D
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Yes its not good just check out this video of the SGS Vs SGSII in GPS and it fails!!!
Real bad..I hope there is a fix for this. But this is the second time now!!! Samsung jsut don;t learn. The Omnia HD i8910 has amazing gps this is not acceptable!
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This test must not be done because the electromagnetic field of internal oscilators make interference with the other. If you put the galaxy's far each other you will get better results and similar. I made exactly the same test about 50cm distance between the two and got good results.
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This test must not be done because the electromagnetic field of internal oscilators make interference with the other. If you put the galaxy's far each other you will get better results and similar. I made exactly the same test about 50cm distance between the two and got good results.
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b.s.
i test the two sgs 1 that i have side by side and they are both very simular.. which shows there is no interference.. if you phone was not shielded from this it would never work..
Hendrickson said:
Yes its not good just check out this video of the SGS Vs SGSII in GPS and it fails!!!
Real bad..I hope there is a fix for this. But this is the second time now!!! Samsung jsut don;t learn. The Omnia HD i8910 has amazing gps this is not acceptable!
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what the video didnt show you!
did you check all THREE?
check on "use wireless network", check on "use gps satellites", check on "use sensor aiding"
i tested gps driving 60 miles, gps locks on quick, never lose gps signals or give me wrong turns.
tested gps from work to home, gps locks on quick, never lose gps signals or give wrong turns.
sat in my house just on gps it takes 15/20 secs to lock on....but then again my phone signal is very poor in the house, and when I am in the city its about 5 ses and works 100%
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what the video didnt show you!
did you check all THREE?
check on "use wireless network", check on "use gps satellites", check on "use sensor aiding"
i tested gps driving 60 miles, gps locks on quick, never lose gps signals or give me wrong turns.
tested gps from work to home, gps locks on quick, never lose gps signals or give wrong turns.
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Yes all three location options were ticketed. It never got a signal otherwise the video would have been 5 minutes long or more. It was random but now all is well after a reboot. I think we are relying to much on GPS Test. It may not support the GPS chipset in the SGS2 100%. GPS Status seems better..
I found that when I was moving in the car it was more accurate. Infact down to 4m. It sat at around 4-10m the whole trip with 8-10 sats. I couldn't have asked for better.
Oh and here is my proof:
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b.s.
i test the two sgs 1 that i have side by side and they are both very simular.. which shows there is no interference.. if you phone was not shielded from this it would never work..
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However it depends on frequencies and harmonics that GPS phones switch/create in that moment.
There is no perfect shield. Do you want a proof? Go with your phone inside a compartment in a metallic ship and then it's possible to call you from another city. I'm sure because I made this test.
I assure you that in my SGS1 and my SGS2, GPS doesn't work well if they are close each other.
OK, but what about the dop and vdop calculations on the gps status application?
I would say the app doesn't support read that info yet..
i dont think that is it try google maps there will be no little blue circle meaning i believe that the phone is not providing that info..
Strangely enough, but mine provides the blue circle in g maps, and no data in the dop and vdop calculations on the gps status application.
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Strangely enough, but mine provides the blue circle in g maps, and no data in the dop and vdop calculations on the gps status application.
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weird mine has no blue circle but is right on during nav. in google maps but takes a long time to lock.
A few weeks ago my Evo 3D started to turn off on its own at random times andwon’t turn on until took the battery out. I did some searching around andnoticed that many people are having the same problem. Also, I have noticed thatmany suggestions were that some app is killing the phone. Well after diggingaround in my phone and un-installing all apps, the phone was still doing it. Inthe last few days I accidently shut the phone off by just moving the batterywhile it’s in the phone. After some more messing around, the phone does shutoff when I push the battery away from where it touches the metal prongs on thephone. If anyone else having the same problem can test out my fix, it would begreat.
The fix:
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If you search around, a lot of people did have the same issue you had. Your solution should work and has already been confirmed by others.
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If you search around, a lot of people did have the same issue you had. Your solution should work and has already been confirmed by others.
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that sounds good, but i couldnt find this anywhere.
I guess I should have said "a few" people. I think a loose battery or bad connection can cause random reboots and shutdowns. If you search for those terms you may find some more threads. Here is the one I was thinking of.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1196380
stas333 said:
A few weeks ago my Evo 3D started to turn off on its own at random times andwon’t turn on until took the battery out. I did some searching around andnoticed that many people are having the same problem. Also, I have noticed thatmany suggestions were that some app is killing the phone. Well after diggingaround in my phone and un-installing all apps, the phone was still doing it. Inthe last few days I accidently shut the phone off by just moving the batterywhile it’s in the phone. After some more messing around, the phone does shutoff when I push the battery away from where it touches the metal prongs on thephone. If anyone else having the same problem can test out my fix, it would begreat.
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i was having the same issue but i read on some posts that the radio was an issue
so i had the old radio on my phone i only flash the newest radio and since then i haven't got no reboots...already a month and my phone is working fine...
My problem is related to ambient temperature. If it is above 90 out it restarts randomly. I go inside and it is fine. This is related to nothing else.
I went to the park with my kids this weekend and had no restarts because it was 70 out. I was at the same park doing the same things a few weeks ago...it restarted every 5 minutes.
After 2 weeks of cool weather, it restarted today because I am wearing black jeans (it was in the pocket) and it is 80 out.
I am going to exchange it AGAIN--I had the same problem with the last one.
I had that problem with my 2nd EVO and they replaced it at the Sprint store. That was a couple days after my 30 days
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Im having the same issues. Random reboots every hour on Vaelpak and eternity.
Well, damn it ASUS! I had a vague GPS thing going on when I first got ICS. Since I got the update for GPS it's killed it
I left the prime in the window bay for 25 mins and this is what I got
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Nothing. I presume this has nothing to do with root etc? Would a system erase make any difference? Is it even worth a try?
It's not like I use it often, but it used to lock from here fine and now it doesn't.
Meh!
No difference for me, no satellites before or after the update. But...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459356
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jonboyuk said:
Well, damn it ASUS! I had a vague GPS thing going on when I first got ICS. Since I got the update for GPS it's killed it
I left the prime in the window bay for 25 mins and this is what I got
Nothing. I presume this has nothing to do with root etc? Would a system erase make any difference? Is it even worth a try?
It's not like I use it often, but it used to lock from here fine and now it doesn't.
Meh!
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You should get some satellites if you turn the device around. Right now the metal back possibly blocks all potential signals. Aluminum back cuts down about 50% of GPS signal performance compared to smartphone like Galaxy Nexus (which also does not have ideal GPS, though does work).
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You should get some satellites if you turn the device around. Right now the metal back possibly blocks all potential signals. Aluminum back cuts down about 50% of GPS signal performance compared to smartphone like Galaxy Nexus (which also does not have ideal GPS, though does work).
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Good idea and thanks - I tried this, flat, next to a window and left for an hour. Still nothing How can an OTA update that claims to fix GPS break it?! Lol!
Yeah, I got the same - absolutely nothing despite over an hour face up completely flat.
My phone (Dell Streak) gets locks immediately in the same place.
The only way I've managed to "see" a single satellite on my Prime is after BT tethering to my Streak!
Very disappointing, not that it's crucial to have GPS, but there's a principle involved here.
jonboyuk said:
Good idea and thanks - I tried this, flat, next to a window and left for an hour. Still nothing How can an OTA update that claims to fix GPS break it?! Lol!
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Do yourself a favor change the power modes while in the GPS app!
See that little circle notification if it is not flashing it is not trying to lock so all you gotta do to get it to start locking is expand than minimize the notification bar!
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green750one said:
Yeah, I got the same - absolutely nothing despite over an hour face up completely flat.
My phone (Dell Streak) gets locks immediately in the same place.
The only way I've managed to "see" a single satellite on my Prime is after BT tethering to my Streak!
Very disappointing, not that it's crucial to have GPS, but there's a principle involved here.
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Couldn't agree more. I had mine picking up sats in my car with Honeycomb...then ICS came along (second ICS OTA) and decided to take it away from me. Disappointed. Now, where's that Mr.Gary Key? Ha!
Ditto - this last update killed my previously acceptable GPS performance. Mine will see as many as 8 birds with decent SNR, but will not lock on any of them.
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Do yourself a favor change the power modes while in the GPS app!
See that little circle notification if it is not flashing it is not trying to lock so all you gotta do to get it to start locking is expand than minimize the notification bar!
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I knew that trick!! It was the first thing I tried before running a full reset :/ Thanks though
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Ditto - this last update killed my previously acceptable GPS performance. Mine will see as many as 8 birds with decent SNR, but will not lock on any of them.
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Ooops I should have multiquoted! Anyway, clearly it's happened quite a lot....gutted.....
Wow guys, this sounds really bad. I thought that the flaw is simply that the signal is weaker by half (as it is on my tests), but apparently it doesn't get any locks at all for some of you.
This is definitely not a metal casing problem, GPS antennae seems messed up. GPS, by design, should get some locks after just a few minutes, no more than 10 or 15 minutes.
All of my tests show the flaw of metal casing weakening the GPS signal, but it still finds satellites (though cannot be used for navi as a result) without WiFi.
Try going to some open space and hold the tablet skyward and see if there's any change. Indoors is not an ideal testing condition (depends on where you live), because it still might be the metal-back issue.
It not purely a hardware issue though as my GPS was on par with my cellphone before this last update.
I am also getting no gps lock in gps test since the last update. I got my prime to lock onto about 15 satellites prior to the update driving in my car(its a convertible) Now I can't get it to see a single one, let alone get a lock. I love my prime, but this is a real bummer.
I agree....if this was a pure hardware related issue, then it wouldn't have worked before then suddenly stopped working post drivers/software update. This clearly highlights that there is a software related issue going on. Obviously the aluminium backplate still reduces from the overall signal quality but it don't completely prevent it from working. If this was the case, no one would get a lock ever, on any unit!
Your move Asus...
Likewise. Signal before update. No sats found following update.
Same problem here. I did not originally have an advanced GPS app or anything, but services were able to locate me in GPS (when Wifi and location via Wifi turned off). Since the update, I get nothing. I download several apps to test GPS and all are the same: No Sats.
I don't really use GPS all that much, but I tested this before installing the update and the update did definitely break it for me.
Seems like the update was 50/50. Either it makes everything brilliant or just takes it away!! How do we approach this best? We can all contact ASUS individually but that never seems to work. I wonder if Gary Key accepts PM's?
Asus meet NASA, NASA meet Asus...
How Do Global Positioning Systems, or GPS, Work?
HAHAHAHA!! JoTeC that cracked me up!
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HAHAHAHA!! JoTeC that cracked me up!
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LOL, I couldn't resist.
Sent 1st Prime for problems:
Serial Number is: BCOKAS******
1. Weak wifi
2. No GPS on Wifi OFF (outdoor/indoor)
3. No GPS on Wifi ON (outdoor/indoor)
4. Sound on Video is no clear, no normalization, loud
Recieved 2nd Asus Prime as replacement, and opened Prime by Asus
Serial Number is: C10KAS*****
1. It was worse than the first one
2. it's auto reboot randomly, new problem
3. Wifi is acceptable
4. No GPS on Wifi OFF (outdoor/indoor)
5. No GPS on Wifi ON (outdoor/indoor)
6. *** new problem, if it stands by, sometimes, it just shut off...I have to turn on and reboot again
7. *** asus tech was not perfectly re-assemble it, the glass is way on top of the frame :-(
This 2nd prime looked like it was opened by asus tech. I saw the opened mark. I took 2 weeks to get a replacement, but this one is no better then the first one. I am so disappointed in ASUS...Maybe it's last product that I will ever buy from them...bad experience...:-(
No GPS on the RMA Prime:
http://www.box.com/s/3zekdoum0v6xor291dyy
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This may be a matter of introducing too many variables... My two C1 Primes had great GPS on the .11 firmware, quickly locking 12/14 satellites outside with wifi turned off, and 7/10 indoors. After the .13 update, mine now won't lock outside with wifi off (or at least, I've not waited long enough), and won't maintain a consistent lock on wifi.
So, it's possible that you have good enough GPS (by the Prime's standards), but that yours was affected by the .13 update. There's another thread on this somewhere, where other people have had this happen as well.
wynand32 said:
This may be a matter of introducing too many variables... My two C1 Primes had great GPS on the .11 firmware, quickly locking 12/14 satellites outside with wifi turned off, and 7/10 indoors. After the .13 update, mine now won't lock outside with wifi off (or at least, I've not waited long enough), and won't maintain a consistent lock on wifi.
So, it's possible that you have good enough GPS (by the Prime's standards), but that yours was affected by the .13 update. There's another thread on this somewhere, where other people have had this happen as well.
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if it is true like what you said. I was already giving up on send them back for RMA (again) :-(
I still don't understand how come the GPS still won't LOCK on WIFI data?...for example, if you use dedicaded Google Map, or the weather widget, it is still not able to find gps locations
It is consistently inconsistent
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if it is true like what you said. I was already giving up on send them back for RMA (again) :-(
I still don't understand how come the GPS still won't LOCK on WIFI data?...for example, if you use dedicaded Google Map, or the weather widget, it is still not able to find gps locations
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I got my C1 replacement back at a while ago (almost 2 weeks) and when I got not GPS satellites at first, I was majorly disappointed. Wifi was quite decent, even though throughput at the far ends of my range are slow (2.6-3 Mbps) when it gets 16-17 Mbps close to router, however, it streams video perfectly with Bluetooth attached and streaming, so thats the ultimate test for me, not what the numbers are (even if that irks me )
As for GPS, I saw not a single satellite as I said, until day 3 after replacement arrived. Then, sitting in the car, no Wifi to speak of, I suddenly get LOTS of satellites... HOORAY! Sort of... Still not gona cut it for navigation, but you know what? It's the way it is. I really would love to see Asus fix GPS, but it does not look good in that department. Major bummer. As for the rest, all is good. I am MOSTLY HAPPY (which is NOT like being a little pregnant, as some will try saying) I am happy for the good, and still pissed about GPS. Thats my take on it, and yes, I am keeping the Prime (Until and if they offer me another replacement to try, LOL!)
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I really would love to see Asus fix GPS, but it does not look good in that department.
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I doubt ASUS is going to so anything to fix the GPS in any transformer prime because....
It is not a feature any more. They have removed it from the feature list. Just like Sony did with the PS3. It used to have PS2 backwards compatibility and Other OS support, but they removed it and stopped supporting it.
You need to pm Gary Key. My prime (sn bkcu) had poor wifi and NO gps. I sent it in and they didn't touch I'd for 3 Weeks despite my constant calling. I PMd Gary and they over nighted me a completely new unit (sn c10kas) everything works great. I found 12 says and locked 10 in my house! I am finally happy!
Thanks again Gary!
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Simple question; Is anyone out there with a TF prime with decent GPS? And by decent I mean locks outside say within 15 seconds without losing signal?
My prime's GPS was working so-so before the .14 update. After the .14 update the GPS is non existent , but Shadowgun seems to run without any lag even with 10+ NPCs in one scene
On a similar note; my family just bought a motorola xoom and galaxy tab 10.1. The xoom has unbelievable GPS, locks even inside my basement within a few seconds. The tab has okay GPS. Poor prime can't flex its muscles in when it comes to GPS.
My GPS works fine for both .11 and .14 (updated yesterday).
It takes like 2 minutes for finding satellites and positioning me in the Aura Drive app. GPS was stable, I was walking for 30 minutes in the park and it was, as you said, decent.
Here are some screenshots I did while testing .14:
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GPS only, no Wi-Fi!!! Test was done outside with good view of the sky. I admit, not the best signal, but for a device with full metal back plate, Woohoo
BC series, WW update, never rooted.
your locks are on the order of ~20m accuracy which might as well be a wifi triangulation... It is useless for navigation so it wouldn't make a difference whether or not you have wifi on.
If you really want to test your GPS:
+ turn off WIFI
+ get in your car
+ start driving
And see if it can maintain your position correctly without loosing it all the time. Ppl usually just test it stationary and yes then it might be able to get a lock on some birds after some time but the second you start moving around mine lost it.
Anyway that was the main reason i sent it back for a full refund, to be honest for a 600€ device i actually expect this to work flawless.
TEmp69 said:
If you really want to test your GPS:
+ turn off WIFI
+ get in your car
+ start driving
And see if it can maintain your position correctly without loosing it all the time. Ppl usually just test it stationary and yes then it might be able to get a lock on some birds after some time but the second you start moving around mine lost it.
Anyway that was the main reason i sent it back for a full refund, to be honest for a 600€ device i actually expect this to work flawless.
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I tried this and got pretty decent results. Only tried for 2 mins when I got my C2 the other day, and not yet upgraded to ICS. I was picking up 5 at the most with 2 locking on and off.
Gonna try it with the latest .14 update soon.
didnt work with .11 not with .13 and neither with .14 havent been able to get a gps lock even once in last 1 month..
i tried stationary, in car, with google maps, with gps status app, no luck....
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not working, but I don't care
Not working on mine. WiFi off, GPS on, used GPS Status from the market and got nothing after more than 5 minutes outside on a clear, cloudless day. My Xoom got locks while still inside, and once outside, locked onto 9 satellites. My Verizon Galaxy Nexus locked inside and out fast.
But, I am not concerned about GPS not working. My gnex has it, and I use that when on the road. I have 6 primes (for myself and the people that work for me). We all agreed that the lack of working GPS is not an issue, they all wanted quad core!
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Turned wifi and bluetooth off, enabled performance mode. Screenshot taken on my balcony after 3 minutes of connection. However the gps is unstable, it keeps loosing sats and reconnect, but never drops completely.
WW, .14, not rooted, C10KAS...
My one was working well with .11. It worked well with Aura under 100km/h driving.
However, after upgraded to .14, no signal at all!!!
C1 series, WW, rooted.......
Nothing at all using .14. Tested against my Galaxy S2.
Someone, please shoot me in the head for clicking on this thread. I keep promising myself not to click on threads that discuss the Prime's GPS, but I keep breaking that promise like a crack addict.
I keep telling myself: "But everyone HAS TO KNOW that GPS on the Prime is not and never will be suitable for navigation, nor will the Prime ever offer GPS that's competitive with some other Android tablet offerings. They HAVE TO. And since ASUS is now offering direct returns and refunds for people unhappy with the GPS, anybody who wants their tablet to function as a navigational device should have already moved on to something else. Thus, any new thread on the GPS simply CANNOT be worth clicking on."
One day I'll learn...