Hi everyone !
I've got few question about the lapdock for the Atrix. Especially the OS that we could put on the Atrix for use with it, can we put any ubuntu or linux versions on it ? Is it difficult tu adapt a linux distro on it ? And have we all functionnality as a netbook ? (Like for exemple download library to program some kind of application (In java/PHP/C....) I'm a computer scientist student so it could be interesting for me to have a computer with a 11.6 inch display, an autonomy of 8 hours and a little weight...
Thanks for your answers
And happy new year !!
there is a hack to do this in ATRIX ROM DEVELOPMENT section. you can try and do a search there.
I'd try posting this is questions section, more people will properly see and be able to help you out
blackmario said:
I've got few question about the lapdock for the Atrix. Especially the OS that we could put on the Atrix for use with it, can we put any ubuntu or linux versions on it ? Is it difficult tu adapt a linux distro on it ? And have we all functionnality as a netbook ? (Like for exemple download library to program some kind of application (In java/PHP/C....) I'm a computer scientist student so it could be interesting for me to have a computer with a 11.6 inch display, an autonomy of 8 hours and a little weight...
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So after spending the last Month on my Lapdock, trying every combination I could, I settled on using WebTop2sd. It takes the Webtop and copies it to the External Sdcard and allows you to create whatever partition size you have room for. This only uses the Ubuntu Jaunty (9.04) Distribution that comes with the webtop. Jaunty has been deprecated and no longer has any updates coming from from Canonical. I looked at some of the other ways of changing to newer version of Ubuntu and Debian, but did not find anything that I thought was usable at this point. Or at least as usable as Webtop2sd. So even thought it is an older Distribution, I find it very usable and extemely fast to be running off of a MicroSD card. The latest Webtop (2.3.6) has Firefox 8 which is fast and you can use most all of the normal addons with it. I have the full Open Office 3 package running on mine along with XFCE-4. So right now, you would need to see if what apps you need as a Computer Scientist are available on Jaunty Armel (Have to be made to run on the Arm processor, cannot be X86 or X64) There is a lot of information on the webtop in the Development thread, so just read up on it there. I am a Sales Engineer and I travel quite a bit. I got this for that purpose, it gives me a decent size screen that I have fast web access anywhere, I can work on Docs anywhere, I have movies, music and Books (Firefox ePubReader addon) with me to pass the time. For that it is it works really well. It is not a full on linux laptop though. It has its limitations, but works very well despite of those. Just my opinion.
I think of it more along the lines of a netbook in terms of performance.
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Not sure if this is the correct forum to post this. I have searched the web and this forum and only found partial answers so please excuse me if this has been discussed. If so a reply with the link would be very helpful.
With AMD and Intel both producing low powered x86 chips, especially AMDs C-50 which incorporates the Radeon HD graphics processor on the same chip, I was wondering if there are any limitations for hardware manufacturers to use these kind of chips on Tablets running Android.
I know currently Google does not have an x86 port of their own, but are there any particular reasons that would stop them if the chips were comparable in power usage and have faster performance? What would be some drawbacks? Would all the apps run fine on the x86 architecture or would each app need to be recompiled to run on these devices?
I guess what I'm really asking is with your expertise do you see x86 processors as a future of Android tablet computing?
Thanks in advance for all the input.
In theory, they'd just have to re-write the bytecode interpreter on the Dalvik-VM (Assuming it works like Sun's Java VM) Everything you run on your android is on a virtual machine, meaning it has the capability of being cross platform. So yes. It's very possible.
http://www.androidx86.org have you checked this site out??
1st ICS build for virtual machines
Just check out this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19824180
Given the choice with all other things being equal, I'd take a modern ARM over an X86 chip, unless I'm going to run Windows ware. I've used x86 for like almost 20 out of nearly 23.5 years, and wouldn't trust an X86 Android tablet, now that I've dug into my TF .
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Spidey01 said:
Given the choice with all other things being equal, I'd take a modern ARM over an X86 chip, unless I'm going to run Windows ware. I've used x86 for like almost 20 out of nearly 23.5 years, and wouldn't trust an X86 Android tablet, now that I've dug into my TF .
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Wouldnt trust it for what reason?
Windows 8 will be released with an x86 and ARM version.
The Android OS itself runs very smoothly on x86, I have been using a small hp thinclient t5565 as a debug machine instead of my phone or a virtual machine for 2 weeks now and it performs admirably. Granted I cant play HD games on it, but thats what I have the Enjoy 7 tablet for. android-x86 is just brilliant, in many cases the generic froyo and gingerbread builds breathe new life into old rusty machines, making them very useful once more. The only thing missing, is better generic hardware support for ethernet and various 3D display devices. I am currently looking at an option of using android-x86 as a swop and go solution, since my test machine runs the installed system completely from a USB thumb drive. Which means if it breaks, pull the stick out, pop in another machine and you are back to work. Perfect solution for a POS terminal, library internet access machine or even something to keep the kids out of your hair.
ashmem in Android x86
I developed a simple shared memory IPC in Linux already and I would also like to do it in Android x86.
Does anyone knows on how to do this(shared memory or should I call it "ashmem"?) ?
I really need your help. I'm still a beginner in Android x86, so I hope you can give a step-by-step guide.
Hello all
Well it might seem stupid, but wanting a port of Android on a compatible device
is something that Android was created for.
The Kindle 3, for example is not too far from a phone.
It has all what is needed to make calls;
3G modem
Speakers
3.5mm port
Microphone
1750mAh battery for 10 days use with wireless connection
And it fits in a pocket(mine at least)
Now, I'm not a developer, nor a Linux expert.
But the device runs Debian and there is Ubuntu with Xorg for the kindle,
the step from Ubuntu to Android is just the next reasonable thing.
gadgets.boingboing(.)net/2009/09/02/photo-and-descriptio.html
Its got a MX353 cpu, 256 ram, atheros wifi and Epson ISIS (S1D13522) display controller.
www(.)freescale(.)com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=i.MX353
I'm sure it has been asked before, but definitely not on XDA.
One more vote for Android on Kindle-3
Agree with ph3r0c1ty
I am looking to use Offline Browser to cache my web reading.
and all the other good stuff from the Market.
Is it still interesting?
Hello!
I've just came to the same idea. The only phone with e-ink is yotaphone for now. But price is a bit high.
Is it still interesting for anybody? I did not find any references for projects as "Android on Kindle3"...
Call me crazy alright, but it is possible to get old 2.0 webtop on an ICS system? Flashing it via Fastboot, cwm or Rsd?I just can't get used to it and found it very disappointing specially the lack of:
-A descent mobile view.
-Full featured firefox.
-The ability to run linux and per se, a most competitive laptop environment.
-Real multi-tasking with lots of windows opened at once.
-Best integration with Lapdock keyboard and trackpad.
-Capability to run dedicated os programs like openoffice.org (not this joke of quickoffice...)
-A true laptop resolution at all for God sake!
-Many more
I know that this 3.0 is very light-weight and almost "flawless" but still not that useful for me specially coming from an Atrix with the webtop2sd mod, pure laptop experience... OMG what have I done!!! Lol!!! Neh... I wouldn't trade my razr for anything... at least in 17 months!
Have found something googling it but the info is not very useful as well, so looking for the advice from somebody here willing to point in some direction to get this working, if this it is even possible.
Thanks!
General consensus will probably be no. Until I get home tonight, I can't look at /dev/block/webtop to see if its possible. In theory, so long as the files are 100% separate, I don't see why it wouldn't be possible. Problem being, I think they tie into the system files somehow and aren't completely separate as they'd need to be.
Anyone else have any ideas on this? I plan to put ics on my clns replacement tonight, but i might not since I want the full featured webtop.
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Webtop 2.0 seems intact on ICS
I'm interested in this as well. I only acquired a lapdock post-ICS, so I unfortunately don't know exactly how things worked before.
It seems like all of the pieces are still in place for the real Ubuntu webtop. The old webtop does not appear to have been not removed in the update; mounting the /dev/block/webtop partition (ext3) reveals a 1 GB linux filesystem. I would be surprised if the Linux environment is broken, as chroot Linux environments such as "Free Linux Installer" work identically in both GB and ICS.
The big question is how the webtop is launched; I'll try and figure this out, but if anyone knows or has a copy of whatever script launched the Ubuntu-based webtop this would be very helpful!
So, with Ubuntu Mobile capturing the attention of hundred of thousands I thought I would ask the one question that's been in my head since the first time I heard of Ubuntu Mobile, what about other Linux distros?
Considering Ubuntu is Debian-based and one of Ubuntu Mobile's key selling points is "it's the same is your PC" software-wise *cough* bloatware *cough* how likely do you think it is for a similar feat to be acomplished by another Linux distro (I like the ring of 'Arch Mobile' :cyclops: ) or will this be a more disgustingly exclusive Ubuntu feature (much like Unity, which didn't gain much traction in other distros).
Please voice your opinion on the matter, even if it's not completely relevant. I'd like to see how the community sees this.
Ubuntu for mobile has optimised stdio.h for touch screen mode of input and integration for touch input device at kernel level. Maybe if another distro can achieve this... Probably need a lot of libs & /dev/ mod files to get compatible drivers for touch devices. Repositories (apt.get, rpm, deb & yast etc) need to haxe modified programmes (apps) optimised for phone display, i/o etc.... Not an easy task.....
Dead cookies leave no trails...
Maybe a mobilised version of PackageKit would work for package management woes, if not I think there may be hope depending on how the phone utilises its 'desktop mode' and that can resolve issues that may accompany distro-specific issues (like Arch's KISS philosophy) and the libraries will be added to repositories (or even just made into an installable package?) for touchscreen usage and hopefully packages could be installed traditionally (i.e. 'apt-get install' 'pacman -S' 'yum install' 'dpkg -i' etc.)
I built a Linux image for my phone (Galaxy Spica)
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I built a Linux image for my phone (Galaxy Spica)
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Oh that's quite interesting, when it was running a Linux image was your phone still running Android and with Linux working inside Android (using VNC for X etc.) or was it running natively in the same fashion as Ubuntu Mobile is said to be?
I would think that any Distro based of Ubuntu will be able to be run on a phone.
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I would think that any Distro based of Ubuntu will be able to be run on a phone.
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I hope by the time all the mobile software is "figured out" (for lack of a better word) that using the device-specific software won't be limited to Ubuntu-based distros, I don't mind Ubuntu and its derivatives per se, but I much prefer using a more advanced distro; but I suppose Ubuntu is what you make of it
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I would think that any Distro based of Ubuntu will be able to be run on a phone.
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This is not a comletely new idea mind you. We have two Ubuntu/Linux threads in the Asus Transformer tf101 dev thread. Both are WIPs but both have many users who are working on making the process better and simpler to have Linux and Android dual boot. Both methods are for native install as well so no need for chroot or VNC.
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Interesting thought. I don't know if the variation will come from other Linux flavors or just different themes or desktop environments. Could it just be that there are themes or desktop environment like cinnamon, XFCE, pantheon and others instead of different Linux operating systems completely? Then again everything is going mobile so maybe the other Linux flavors will disappear unless they follow in Ubuntu's steps and go mobile.
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Cl3Kener said:
Interesting thought. I don't know if the variation will come from other Linux flavors or just different themes or desktop environments. Could it just be that there are themes or desktop environment like cinnamon, XFCE, pantheon and others instead of different Linux operating systems completely? Then again everything is going mobile so maybe the other Linux flavors will disappear unless they follow in Ubuntu's steps and go mobile.
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No, not everything is going mobile. It's just that x86 machines have reached saturation point by now; everyone has one, so the focus is on getting a smartphone or a tablet. Plus, hardware is so powerful that there's no real need to upgrade. Software has not caught up. Even as a gamer, my ATI 6950/Phenom II 955 box hasn't had an issue with running everything topped out so far, new games and all. For sure, you don't need much just to run the everyday stuff like Chrome or Office. People still use desktop computers quite a bit, though in quite a lot of households I do find that it's not at all uncommon for the computer arsenal to consist exclusively of laptops (though that is still x86 and not ARM).
Kookas said:
No, not everything is going mobile. It's just that x86 machines have reached saturation point by now; everyone has one, so the focus is on getting a smartphone or a tablet. Plus, hardware is so powerful that there's no real need to upgrade. Software has not caught up. Even as a gamer, my ATI 6950/Phenom II 955 box hasn't had an issue with running everything topped out so far, new games and all. For sure, you don't need much just to run the everyday stuff like Chrome or Office. People still use desktop computers quite a bit, though in quite a lot of households I do find that it's not at all uncommon for the computer arsenal to consist exclusively of laptops (though that is still x86 and not ARM).
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Well obviously software developers and video gamers will always have desktop computers. It's people that aren't processor hungry that just want to check emails and social media that are going mobile. I know people that don't even own a computer and just use internet through their phones. I can see them embracing of having their phone work as a computer when they dock it into a monitor keyboard mouse environment. That's the only way they could teach their kids about computers.
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I'd love to see Debian for phones. But once I think about it. There's nothing "new" about this concept. Technically Its already out as I have native Debian and arch Linux on my iconia tab via an arm ports. Touch screens support has been patched into the Linux kernel since the 2.6.x series so it works great at the hardware level. So when I get to to bottom of all of the hype all I see is canonical marketing some sort of Unity Touch. (Gnome and KDE were too big I guess ). My point is what bother to get another ubuntu like os for phones when there's already 99% of distos already ported to arm and touch. The only thing that Ubuntu for phones can do that the Debian/other linux ports can't do is make calls, but any hacker with a pair of tweezers could port the radio interface to a Linux distro.
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Hello Guys,
I have bought a Dell Latitude t02g Table. The specs looks great - Windows 7 Pro - 1.5ghz atom processor, 2 GB Ram, 64GB SSD.
I think the specs are great but its just too damn sluggish when i run facebook or any flash games on it. very unresponsive on normal browsing.
I think this tablet can be great on Google Android x86 platform but After doing a lot of research - I see that people have installed LUBUNTU on it or windows 8 on it and are in a compromised situation. Where Windows 8 has blue screens and etc and moving on Lubuntu, has limited the functionality of he hardware graphics and rotations.
So much money paid for a device that promises a lot and so much disappointment .
I just wish if we could have a forum for this device where the XDA Team can make something super for this device - maybe an android port over that fully works and makes teh tablet smooth like other tablets.
Do you think there is something already out there that has fixed the tablet and makes it shine like a star as advertised? or will there be further enhancements on this and i can wait for it?
Or should i just sell it off for literally peanuts and forget about it
Any help/ hints would be great.
Thanks
AJ
delldell latitude 10 st2
I also wanted to know if for the dell latitude 10 st2 there was solution?
Try the latest windows. That's what I did. To make good use out of it. I installed Kodi n hooked it up to my TV via HDMI worked well. N then sold after a few weeks. Let me know how it goes
There's a fork of android for x86 architecture (http://www.android-x86.org/ ). Some year or two ago I tried few of provided builds but with mixed success. The issues is that bundled drivers are either generic and performance is bad, or different builds have different modules working ( like WiFi but no sound or sound but no WiFi)
It's not that difficult to get two kernel .config files from two most "working" builds and merge them together and build a new kernel, but the process itself is very time consuming (you have to compare files option by option manually, automerge is not an option in this case)
Builds were tegav2, asus_laptop and eeepc
Looks like http://www.android-x86.org/ project moved quite far since that time so maybe you want to give it a try. It's rather brick-safe and you can always go back to Windows/Linux.
Speaking of which, right now my ST has Win10 installed, but performance is bad. I'm thinking of installing clean ubuntu (from Minimal CD) with i3 WM to get maximum out of that hardware. On other laptop with similar specs such setup looks very promising