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Came from a friend on another forum:
The bootloader will be unlocked, it's just a matter of when; we're trying to get it ready to release and hope to have this soon. Our official announcements, since this is a priority situation, will go directly to our social media outlets when they're ready (like the previous announcements). You'll hear about it when I do. I do hope that it is soon for you.
Sincerely,
Philip
HTC
The person who sent the email responded asking why other people were getting vague emails that gave no certain answer on the future of the 3vos bootloader.
This is the return reply:
The bootloader will be unlocked, it's just a matter of when; we're trying to get it ready to release and hope to have this soon. Our official announcements, since this is a priority situation, will go directly to our social media outlets when they're ready (like the previous announcements). You'll hear about it when I do. I do hope that it is soon for you.
Sincerely,
Philip
HTC
That along with the evidence that the sensation is soon to be unlocked.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/htc-confirms-sensation-bootloader-unlocking-coming-soon/
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That along with the evidence that the sensation is soon to be unlocked.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/htc-confirms-sensation-bootloader-unlocking-coming-soon/
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I don't see any evidence that their definition of soon matches with my definition of soon...it is a relative term, after all.
I'm going err on the side of caution, unfortunately. They have 2 weeks.
Regardless of time frame, we are all at the mercy of HTC sadly enough
The date on that link is June 17.
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stop with these threads i dont see any new information here.
if its that big of a deal return the phone so the people who are gonna keep it dont have to see these dumb threads.
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The date on that link is June 17.
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I realize when the date is.
Everyone is rather impatient here. I understand it, but It is not like a company can output a perfect unlocked everything for a phone overnight without bricking a large number of them. It takes time.
I apologize for the repeat thread. Half these threads present have people up in arms and intending to return the phone. So I posted a new thread in hopes of lighting up the mood.
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I realize when the date is.
Everyone is rather impatient here. I understand it, but It is not like a company can output a perfect unlocked everything for a phone overnight without bricking a large number of them. It takes time.
I apologize for the repeat thread. Half these threads present have people up in arms and intending to return the phone. So I posted a new thread in hopes of lighting up the mood.
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I would imagine it has more to do with appeasing partners (read: Sprint) than it has to do with technical hurdles...though I'm sure there is still a redundantly redundant amount of testing involved. Most of it is probably policy and politics than anything else.
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They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
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They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
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i agree make it so the person knows what they are doing
I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
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They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
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Thats not how they are going to do it simple as that. I asked given xHausx suggested they just post up a firmware.zip on their site for those that wish to flash and get the ENG bootloader flashed and achieve s-off. Their response was that "...that is not the way they choose to fix the problem, and they will do so with a OTA software update.."
end of story is that it WILL get done, but there is no ETA as they NEVER provide ETA's specifically. And they do this b/c there is no telling what problems might arrise while developing the fix. If they said 2weeks and ran into an issue and got delayed then there would be another uproar tossed at them.
Also why when they say they are releasing a new OS update they usually say by the end of X qtr. so they have a TON of leway.
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I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
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If teamwin does it great. However I would be very surprised if there weren't strings attached to HTC's solution and no thanks to that. If the SGS2 would be announced for a pre-September release date the 3D is going back.
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Thats not how they are going to do it simple as that. I asked given xHausx suggested they just post up a firmware.zip on their site for those that wish to flash and get the ENG bootloader flashed and achieve s-off. Their response was that "...that is not the way they choose to fix the problem, and they will do so with a OTA software update.."
end of story is that it WILL get done, but there is no ETA as they NEVER provide ETA's specifically. And they do this b/c there is no telling what problems might arrise while developing the fix. If they said 2weeks and ran into an issue and got delayed then there would be another uproar tossed at them.
Also why when they say they are releasing a new OS update they usually say by the end of X qtr. so they have a TON of leway.
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he probably knows that he was just saying it might be better if they did it that way.
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I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
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Well, in if that happens in 2 months from now you and the 3 remaining devs will have a blast I'm sure. This technology moves way too fast for delays like this. The first 30 days is a given, return period, time to root, etc...but this time we are up against heavy duty security for heavy duty securities sake.
While I do exaggerate a bit my point remains. We don't have time to wait as much as you think we do...developers want to develop, and when they put a commitment into a device, well, not being able to develop a god damned thing for that device is kinda a turn off. Few of our best ROM developers are also the low-level guys doing the heavy lifting and intense probing and testing required to attain root/s-off...there is an overlap, yes, but most of these guys just want to make a rom or work on a kernel, and that is to say nothing of the theme guys who operate as creative talent before technical talent...
This is an elaborate ecosystem of skills and talents here. If you happened to be one of us lucky ones in the EVO4G community from the beginning you should know that it was a bunch of coincidence and a pre-release root (and the happenstance of Sprint getting its first kickass superphone--now a regular event)...so don't expect that magic to sit around waiting for this phone to be opened up.
I'm not saying it can't happen, but that there were a lot of factors that went into it happening last time--just having a decent phone and a forum weren't what made it happen.
Let me start by saying yes, I am dying to have root myself. I miss cm7, wireless tether, even stock themes, tb, and a whole list of things (my ORD is definitely flaring).
Now let me go on to my real point. All you "omg they have two weeks" people... Is the phone really that unusable as it is? My old hero, I couldn't live without root for overclocking. My shift originally ticked me off with crappy old sense, and then I didn't understand why they didn't make the new update sense 3.0. This phone, at least for now, is up to date, and blazing fast. Root is not a deal breaker on this phone for me like my past phones. And I hack everything... Wii, cr48, router... But I don't find it completely neutering on this phone like other devices
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Let me start by saying yes, I am dying to have root myself. I miss cm7, wireless tether, even stock themes, tb, and a whole list of things (my ORD is definitely flaring).
Now let me go on to my real point. All you "omg they have two weeks" people... Is the phone really that unusable as it is? My old hero, I couldn't live without root for overclocking. My shift originally ticked me off with crappy old sense, and then I didn't understand why they didn't make the new update sense 3.0. This phone, at least for now, is up to date, and blazing fast. Root is not a deal breaker on this phone for me like my past phones. And I hack everything... Wii, cr48, router... But I don't find it completely neutering on this phone like other devices
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It's a very capable phone, I agree. But it has far more potential than it has capability...and I didn't buy this phone to only be as capable as the phone it was replacing (a heavily modded EVO4G) with the only difference that I can actually see is a resolution difference.
Sure, we knew it would come locked. I knew I'd have this decision to make. It's a very capable phone. But it is also capable of so much more...that's what I want out of it. My 4G was doing everything at least as fast and with at least as good battery life with far more flexibility...
...the only reason I am so impatient is for the reason I posted above. If it doesn't happen relatively quickly the spark will fade rapidly. I feel very comfortable in the 30-day window. But as the 30 day window closes I am not going to be the only one who sizes up this situation and has to make a decision...more important than me and you and all of the other users there are the developers. The ones who provide the value-adding goodies that we love so much...without them we just have a phone like a million other phones, excuse me, that takes 3D pictures and/or Video...the only differentiating feature really....sure, HTC didn't sell a device that was intended to do the things I want to do with it--but it could...until they made it so it couldn't specifically...artificially...
You might not get it...if that's the case, congrats, this is the phone for you. No regrets. Rock on. But for me and what I would imagine are the majority of others here that is a deal breaker.....
@daneurysm: very, very well stated. I'm with you 100%
my email exchanges...
I have purchased your mogul,evo,and now evo3d. I would like to say that I love the evo3d, its an amazing device. But, if the bootloader isnt unlocked or rooted by the time my 30 days is up, I will be returning it. I feel as though I own the device, and used my hard earned money to buy it, and like a computer I should have access to it. I understand the consumer doesn't matter at all in todays corporate run world, but this is my stance, as is many others. I bought it, I own it, it is no longer yours or sprints as I'm not leasing it, I own it, its mine. Thanks, maybe.
their reply.
I certainly understand that you're looking for the bootloader of the EVO 3D to be unlocked. This is indeed something that we're working on, true to our word. We don't have a date set yet for when the update to do so will be available, but as this is a high priority situation when there is news on the subject it will be posted to our social media outlets, like our Facebook and our Twitter just as the previous announcement was. I hope that it is soon.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number
Sincerely,
Philip
It's already a really good device after you root and sideload apps. I just don't see the point in the reasoning of "WE CANT HAVE CUSTOM ROMS" I mean we're working on it but for the time being, you can make the tablet pretty freakin' great. I worked on mine and now it looks like it's running honeycomb aside from missing a few important settings that B&N so kindly ripped away from the tablet, we have everything working pretty well and to our liking. We will get custom roms but it might not be ICS but who cares? Anything is better than how our tabs came out of the box. I enjoy it and I despise the original firmware and I can honestly say, I now love this device.
If you keep the Nook Tablet, you're telling B&N you're OK with a locked bootloader.
As a consumer, voting with your wallet is the best way to make corporations listen.
While I do agree you should take a stand against a company, threatening to return something isn't the way to go about it. I think there is more formal methods but I'm not saying you're wrong, just wanting true proper justification for the act.
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It's already a really good device after you root and sideload apps. I just don't see the point in the reasoning of "WE CANT HAVE CUSTOM ROMS" I mean we're working on it but for the time being, you can make the tablet pretty freakin' great. I worked on mine and now it looks like it's running honeycomb aside from missing a few important settings that B&N so kindly ripped away from the tablet, we have everything working pretty well and to our liking. We will get custom roms but it might not be ICS but who cares? Anything is better than how our tabs came out of the box. I enjoy it and I despise the original firmware and I can honestly say, I now love this device.
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I think you missed the Nook Color and how much fun it was. BN lied outright to me before I bought this device. Most people bought the nook color because they could make it "their own". That will never be possible with a locked bootloader. The NT has great specs, but so does the Droid Bionic and there is 2 developers on it in over 3 months. The kernel sucks so the roms can't improve things much.
I'm just disappointed. I was looking for a dual core, 7-inch tablet that didn't suck. When this came out I thought that it's perfect. I'll just load ICS onto it and it'll be a steal for $259! I guess B&N really ****ed me over this time.
Quite simply: I wouldn't return mine, but then again, I'm not a rebel non-conformist like some people are. I research a device and make sure it fits my needs and is to my liking before I buy it. I'm pretty happy with my little NT.
I don't know where you're getting you "rebel non-conformist" accusation from. Some of us just like the idea of buying cheap hardware and putting a tablet-centric operating system on it. What's wrong with that?
Granted, I should have looked it up sooner and figured out that the bootloader was locked. But that's my fault.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that, sounds great. But there's a saying, I believe it goes: 'You get what you pay for.' ;p I was mostly referring to the bro trying to throw around money to convince people to crack the bootloader or whatever that entails.
The only thing missing that would be supplied by a custom ROM like CM7 is copy/paste, but I suppose I can live without it for now.
I was considering returning the tablet but I've decided to keep it. For my money, it's the best device of it's kind out there and at this point I've tried quite a few. The only reason I was considering returning it is because of the fear that B&N might push out an update that will block the ability to sideload apps. I haven't been successful in my attempts to root the NT yet (still working on it) but now I'm determined to root it, if only to try and block automatic updates. If it wasn't for those updates, I'd happily remain unrooted forever. The ability to sideload apps is more than enough for me and that ability turns a really good tablet into a truly fantastic one.
If B&N closes the loophole, I will still be able to use the NT to read books and comics and watch movies and that will be great. But right now I can do so much more and it would be a shame to lose that ability. And so I continue my attempts to root and then block OTA updates. So far no success, but I'm gonna keep at it. I will do whatever I can do to help the NT remain as fantastic as it has been so far.
I wouldn't return mine. I knew going in the bootloader was locked. Sure, I'd love it if it wasn't, but I'm satisfied with sideloading and rooting. My NT is now pretty much perfect for my needs, and I consider it a steal for the price.
Personally, I'd rather see someone unlock the 11GB or so available internal memory reserved for B&N content. (Or maybe someone's already done that and I missed it, I dunno.) To me it's kind of equivalent to stores locking up RAM in an anti-theft cage - only I've purchased and taken my RAM home, but it's still locked in an anti-theft cage. I can only have it temp-unlocked each time I take it back to the same store and buy data from them.
Rotten idea, and it's the one I do hope B&N takes flak for- they push the Nook's OOB memory advantage hoping few realize their 16GB tablet is really a 1GB tablet for most uses. That's just a minor difference. Yeah, I know it has an SD slot, but I still want my internal 11GB's back as well.
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If you keep the Nook Tablet, you're telling B&N you're OK with a locked bootloader.
As a consumer, voting with your wallet is the best way to make corporations listen.
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What if we are OK with it? Seems to me that most here are satisfied with it as is. I mean, yes I want CM7 or 9 but to be honest, if it never came I certainly wouldn't regret my purchase.
I've owned a lot of tablets and this by far has been the best experience. I even quit buying Kindle books and started buying nook books to support B and N further.
My main reason for supporting them however is that I don't want the last book store I can visit to go under. If that means no CM then so be it.
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I had read about the locked bootloader before buying. I did wait until it was rooted and google market was available. I was watching the rooting thread as it was happening and bought it the next morning.
Pretty happy with my current NT setup right now, with all the apps I had when I had the NC. Only difference is that everything runs so much faster and smoother.
The thing I'm not happy with is the 1GB limit. To have almost 12 GB's sitting there that I have so little access to is beyond ridiculous.
Because we dont know if OTA updates will screw us over
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Because we dont know if OTA updates will screw us over
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You do realize its able to be blocked by a hosts file? We just need the URLs for it
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Keeping or not keeping the Nook Tablet is a personal choice for each person. There are arguments on each side and having people fighting over them in a thread is just asking for the flaming and stuff to start here to like it is on the rezound forums lol.
I respect a person's choice to keep their tablet, and they should respect my decision to return it if the bootloader isn't unlocked.
As of right now I feel mine was well worth the $250. It does almost everything you could want a Android device to do. The battery life is fantastic too. Also I fell the size is perfect too.
To all the people who want to *****, go over to the Barnes and noble forums and ***** if your going to, you have a much better chance of being heard. All your going to do here is piss off Devs and the other users.
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As of right now I feel mine was well worth the $250. It does almost everything you could want a Android device to do. The battery life is fantastic too. Also I fell the size is perfect too.
To all the people who want to *****, go over to the Barnes and noble forums and ***** if your going to, you have a much better chance of being heard. All your going to do here is piss off Devs and the other users.
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Considering this isn't the dev section (notice the "Nook Tablet General") section at the top this is EXACTLY the correct spot to complain. If you don't want to see upset people who were lied to complain then don't read the thread that is obviously (from the name "Why would you return the nook tablet") going to contain EXACTLY what you want to avoid.
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If you keep the Nook Tablet, you're telling B&N you're OK with a locked bootloader.
As a consumer, voting with your wallet is the best way to make corporations listen.
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What if we are OK with it? Seems to me that most here are satisfied with it as is. I mean, yes I want CM7 or 9 but to be honest, if it never came I certainly wouldn't regret my purchase.
I've owned a lot of tablets and this by far has been the best experience.
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Of course you're satisfied. You have a new toy, and right now you're either enjoying features you haven't had before, or are enjoying features you /have/ had before, but on a faster device or new screen size.
Being satisfied now does not equal being satisfied later though. Eventually you will wish you could upgrade your OS without having to buy new hardware, but that may not be possible.
More importantly though, sending the message to OEMs that we accept the restrictions they impose buy buying locked down devices only motivates them to do it again with future devices.
I'm voting with my wallet.
Thing is, if the bootloader was unlocked, I'd buy instantly, and most likely use the device stock for quite a while before installing any ROMs. That would at least allow a chance for me to try out the B&N book store service. By not buying, no chance. Hopefully they consider this and provide a solution.
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The thing I'm not happy with is the 1GB limit. To have almost 12 GB's sitting there that I have so little access to is beyond ridiculous.
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zaptoons said:
Personally, I'd rather see someone unlock the 11GB or so available internal memory reserved for B&N content. (Or maybe someone's already done that and I missed it, I dunno.) To me it's kind of equivalent to stores locking up RAM in an anti-theft cage - only I've purchased and taken my RAM home, but it's still locked in an anti-theft cage. I can only have it temp-unlocked each time I take it back to the same store and buy data from them.
Rotten idea, and it's the one I do hope B&N takes flak for- they push the Nook's OOB memory advantage hoping few realize their 16GB tablet is really a 1GB tablet for most uses. That's just a minor difference. Yeah, I know it has an SD slot, but I still want my internal 11GB's back as well.
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I thought it was discovered that rooting the device gave you access to this?
With the 1.4.1 update, Barnes & Noble has demonstrated an aggressive anti-root and sideloaded apps intent.
There is no reason to think that 1.4.2 and later won't continue in this vein.
I don't want to work with a device from a manufacturer with this attitude. Even things that work today - might not tomorrow.
My still-wrapped Nook Tablet is going back today.
Thanks again to all the developers who worked so hard to make this the best tablet in it's price range!
I do hope B&N achieve the success in this market they so richly deserve.
I am outta here...
Moved to other thread.
Bend, Oregon.
This is pretty much what I posted on the B&N web site today. They sure make it hard to provide feedback on company policies.
My Nook went back to the local B&N today - but I was totally unsuccessful in getting my reason for return registered.
I stated the Nook Tablet was the best device in it's class - but B&N policies about side-loading apps as evidenced by the 1.4.1 update make it a non-viable solution for me.
At least 4 times, the department manager did not exactly say I was stupid, but she did keep repeating that I was misinformed, and that unless I called Tech Support I really had no idea.
The reason for return was listed as "Customer did not like it" - which could not be further from the truth.
B&N feels that the modder community is no more than 3 percent of sales, and no risk to alienating them, but my fear is that the influence on sales is far more than 3 percent.
We will see how it goes after the technical web sites pick this up.
Side note - if you do return one, take a printed copy of the B&N return policy with you. I was told my unit was past the return date - but I had a policy copy with me. They grumbled a bit.
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Bend, Oregon.
This is pretty much what I posted on the B&N web site today. They sure make it hard to provide feedback on company policies.
My Nook went back to the local B&N today - but I was totally unsuccessful in getting my reason for return registered.
I stated the Nook Tablet was the best device in it's class - but B&N policies about side-loading apps as evidenced by the 1.4.1 update make it a non-viable solution for me.
At least 4 times, the department manager did not exactly say I was stupid, but she did keep repeating that I was misinformed, and that unless I called Tech Support I really had no idea.
The reason for return was listed as "Customer did not like it" - which could not be further from the truth.
B&N feels that the modder community is no more than 3 percent of sales, and no risk to alienating them, but my fear is that the influence on sales is far more than 3 percent.
We will see how it goes after the technical web sites pick this up.
Side note - if you do return one, take a printed copy of the B&N return policy with you. I was told my unit was past the return date - but I had a policy copy with me. They grumbled a bit.
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Please!!!! tell me where you found a link to the return policy that is good till Jan 31st. I went to the B&N site and they only state 14 days. I don't want to drive almost two hours to the store and have them tell me it's only 14 days. Thanks for any help you can provide.
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Please!!!! tell me where you found a link to the return policy that is good till Jan 31st. I went to the B&N site and they only state 14 days. I don't want to drive almost two hours to the store and have them tell me it's only 14 days. Thanks for any help you can provide.
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http://www.barnesandnoble.com/help/help_cds2.asp?PID=37128
I have 7 days left and my NT is going back. This has convinced me to get a SGT7. Another $50-100 and I can have a real tablet without all the aggravation.
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Returning mine tomorrow. With the plethora of refurbished and new quality Android tablets below $300 I have decided to go with a different and more techie friendly vendor.
So long and thanks for all the fish.
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Returning mine tomorrow. With the plethora of refurbished and new quality Android tablets below $300 I have decided to go with a different and more techie friendly vendor.
So long and thanks for all the fish.
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yeah i am thinking about doing the same thing. will probably return after xmas, i know it will be crazy then but ... just need a little more time to decide.
Mine is going back as well. The one thing I don't want is to be trapped in the B&N environment ever. This was my first tablet, and it made me realize what I DO want in a tablet so I pulled the trigger on an Iconia A500 last night. Yes it is a giant fat pig compared to the NT, but it has full honeycomb, Bluetooth, GPS, and a full size USB (host) port. I really love the size and hardware specs of the NT, but I do not have the energy to battle B&N . I also retracted my recommendations to my friends, as they are less techie than I am, and would just be disappointed. Who knows, maybe I'll pick up another one day
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The nook tab is great the way it is (pre-update). I played with my wifes while setting it up before wrapping it up for xmas. Being able to sideload apps and get the amazon market to get the same apps cheaper or free was amazing. My only gripe at the time was the lack of a copy/paste function. why in the world, they won't let you copy/paste to share an web address is beyond me...
If I'm not able to get this thing rooted and stop the OTA update, I might take it back and get her the kindle fire or a used nook color...
Looking like a return for me as well, Which kinda really sucks, but I suppose that's life.
No, those are only pebbles from a tree falling on your heads, not the actual sky, guys.
Mine is a keeper! Eventully someone will find a way to let "us" run what we want on it, without the control of B&N...
In the meantime, I've caved in for a KF to play with too
I'm thinking of using it until January 30 and then returning it. 4
This update is the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I had just been debating to myself if I should take this back and get the HTC evo view. But now the choice is pretty clear. I'll be taking my NT back tomorrow morning. At least htc is pretty open about unlocking bootloaders to spur development. About to pull the trigger on an evo view for $239 on ebay, come join me brothers.
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Mine is a keeper! Eventully someone will find a way to let "us" run what we want on it, without the control of B&N...
In the meantime, I've caved in for a KF to play with too
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You could get a really nice tab if you returned both and used that money...
Well I just returned my Nook, I absolutely loved the device, but I did not feel like fighting the uphill battle and never knowing if an OTA update would stop me in my tracks.
Best of luck to everyone that keeps trying.
Returning mine as well...
and buying a Nook Color. **** you B&N, I will still hack your device and use it how I, the ****ing customer, want to. Take my money
While I am not happy that BN is locking the Tablet down, I do have complete faith in the awesome developers here on XDA.. I am sure they will crack it in no time flat...
For that reason I am keeping mine.. People are seriously over reacting to this... Manufacturers do it all the time and it is cracked all the time...
there's also no reason to think that they WILL keep on this way. wow some people are so negative.
i have one, it's rooted, and according to this site, all automatic updates are blocked by the rooting method. I'm not sure why everyone is throwing a fit, it's not like BN is the first company to patch an exploit in an update or to have a locked bootloader.
Nooks purchased between Nov. 14, 2011 and Dec. 31, 2011, may be returned through Jan. 31, 2012.
after 1.41 blocking sideloading and my pc's not playing nice with my Ntablet, And Google announcing their own tablet at a competitive price, im almost positive I'm going to return this nook and wait. I was starting to love it with the sideloading but now I see B$N's app store and stand on sideloading....im really annoyed.
Im about to bring this thing back.
I'm seriously considering it. I love the hardware, but not sure I want to hassle with the software. Cfoesch taking hers back has really made me stop and reconsider.
Not that I don't think Adam et al aren't doing great work, and I think they'll eventually get great things running on it, I'm just starting to think that I don't want to bother with it.
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Is this only if you bought it through B&N?
I gave it a lot of thought, and actually returned mine back in December. IMO, it was bad enough that the bootloader was locked. Then they started pushing out updates to plug the sideloading hole.
And ok, there were ways around it, but to me, it was principal. Who the **** is B&N to tell me how to use a device that I spent $250 on? and that's precisely why I returned it. there's no better way to express one's disatisfaction with a company then to hit their bottom line.
its still a nice device, but I just didn't want to support them any longer given their new business model with this device.
pepi4 said:
Is this only if you bought it through B&N?
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This is their "holiday return policy."
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JoeM01 said:
I gave it a lot of thought, and actually returned mine back in December. IMO, it was bad enough that the bootloader was locked. Then they started pushing out updates to plug the sideloading hole.
And ok, there were ways around it, but to me, it was principal. Who the **** is B&N to tell me how to use a device that I spent $250 on? and that's precisely why I returned it. there's no better way to express one's disatisfaction with a company then to hit their bottom line.
its still a nice device, but I just didn't want to support them any longer given their new business model with this device.
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I agree. I really think that they are breaking the law by sending updates without the OWNERS approval.
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I agree. I really think that they are breaking the law by sending updates without the OWNERS approval.
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eh, there could be some language in the EULA saying that it's ok.
my problem is that they claim the hacking community is less than 3% of their total sales, and that's totally probable. However, if it's so small, why piss off that additional 3%? It's only going to contribute to total sales, granted that 3% isn't going to shop the B&N "store".
I understand their logic/rationale, but in the end, it's giving people a sour taste, and people are taking to boards, etc to complain. Anyone who hits up a google search about the Nook Tablet can see all the *****ing about the locked bootloader, and sideloading being plugged. Joe-Nobody may not even understand what any of that means, but just might not like seeing all the negative comments.
In the end, I won't give them my money. And that's all you can do, really. They're gonna get pushed out of the market by more powerful, actual, tablets, for marginally more money.
On the other hand, B&N are fighting the good fight against Microsoft against patent/licensing nonsense, so I like that. I'm hoping there's a way to get ICS eventually, but this is still a great device with 1.4.0, OTAs blocked, root, custom launcher, Market access, etc. This will tide me over for at least a few years.
Rooted and Loving It
I am thoroughly enjoying my NT. I got it in November, rooted it, had it unroot itself with the 1.4.1 update (urgggg), and used Indirect's method and other links to restore to 1.4.0, reroot, and block OTAs. My husband urged me to give up on the restore and reroot at one point, as it looked like I was going to blow a gasket or something. But I persevered.
Although I understand the sentiment that returning the device sends a message to B&N, I want to send a different kind of message.... I will do with this device as I choose. Although we (the 'rooters') are a small percentage of NT owners, we can be vocal and rather obstinate. I like to think that B&N may win a few battles, but they will lose the war.
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I like to think that B&N may win a few battles, but they will lose the war.
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unless B&N decides to release an unlock tool, I'm doubtful this will be the case. it's just not worth the dev's time to try and crack a bootloader to develop for it when there are so many other devices (with more on the way) that are already unlocked.
This is not my only tablet, and although my first go around with Android, this device serves my purpose (mostly a reader). I rooted and blocked the updates, so the only "real" issue is updating it with presumably better/more stable updates in the future without hosing it. 1.4.1 hasn't really received a lot of "Wow" feedback, so it was a maintenance update. Likely, we won't see much in the way up grand updates. B&N, if anything, will likely release a whole new device for any major updates.
Does it have issues? Yeah sure, what platform doesn't? But all in all, a reboot here and there is not so much of a problem. Will I keep it forever, not likely, that's what eBay is for.
I like what it does, I love the form factor and industrial design.It's a fun gadget.
Now that OTAs have been blocked, I see no real need to return the tablet. It does everything I want it to do and does it quite well. I have no idea how having ICS would make reading comics and watching movies better on the nook tablet. As such, I have no real need for it and don't care if it ever hits the NT.
Bottom line is that once you root and block OTAs, this is a powerful little tablet that's among the best (if not THE best) in its class. It has some issues but I'd rather deal with those than deal with a slow, glitchy piece of junk tablet that's fully hackable.
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Now that OTAs have been blocked, I see no real need to return the tablet. It does everything I want it to do and does it quite well. I have no idea how having ICS would make reading comics and watching movies better on the nook tablet. As such, I have no real need for it and don't care if it ever hits the NT.
Bottom line is that once you root and block OTAs, this is a powerful little tablet that's among the best (if not THE best) in its class. It has some issues but I'd rather deal with those than deal with a slow, glitchy piece of junk tablet that's fully hackable.
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Agreed. Most ppl just dont want the hassle of rooting or blocking ota.
Its not like you cant unroot it.
Yes the OP post is referring to extended holiday purchases.
I might change my tune if I didn't have the obscenely stubborn driver issues and could root but this whole experience with nook has been frustrating and left a bad taste in my mouth. Even towards their brick and mortar stores.
ONE MAJOR thing I overlooked when deciding was the Nook App store. $3 for something I already have and got for free? FU B$N. I dont even want the nook store on my/your tablet.
I, for one, will be keeping mine. I really like it as is (granted, all the additional work we had to do was ****ty but I've got it how I like it). Overall it's a great device
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Why would I do that? I had it rooted and OTA blocked less than an hour after I unboxed it (thanks to the XDA devs!), and it's been wonderful for whatever I want to use it for. Whatever drama comes from B&N is meaningless to me at this point, and if ICS becomes available for it at some point due to the efforts of the XDA community it will be the awesome sugary sweet icing on what is already a pretty tasty cake.
I wont be returning mine either. As much as id like to 'stick it' to b&n, I really am enjoying it with the snowball mod installed. Like another user said, idk how ICS will improve my comics/kindle/tversity watching and reading, but im happy with it now as is. This isn't to say id want the devs to stop working on it, improvements are always welcome, and im thankful for the work they've put into it thus far.
After snowball-mod came out I decided to keep my NT since it essentially strips it of most if not all of B&N content. Since OTA updates are basically blocked for now, I see no reason to return it because it does have pretty good hardware specs for its price range. Maybe CES 2012 will change my mind, but I highly doubt it because most stuff from CES are high cost... which in my mind is a no no... sticking with my NT until something better comes that is in a similar price range
I'm on the fence leaning towards keeping it. I agree with most of you saying that working on this device is a pain not to mention the constant reloading and rebooting the windows driver. But with all that said I'm still winning!
I have the 1.4.1 rooted
Installed the OTA 9.9.9 block
Running GO launcher
Every google app possible
Got rid of everything B&N
Changed my status bar from B&N to ICS9 (hated that lil book)
And changed the n button to a back button, no need for button savior
Basically the only reminder that I have that's it's an NT is the boot screen, and I'm working on changing that.
I'm off the mind that I've done all this work so far, I might as well keep it. For all tencent purposes it looks and runs like Android 3.0.
I have faith that the NT will be hacked and have ICS9 someday, but until then I'm satisfied. And even if it doesn't get hacked I'm still able to run and install the same apps as someone with ICS9.
Sent from my Nook Tablet.
Engadget just posted an article of ASUS teasing a 7" Tegra 3 ICS tablet that will be $249. I'm keeping mine as I bought it for my son (and I steal it from him all the time), but I would definitely buy the ASUS over the Nook Tablet at this point depending on it's release date.
Really wish this phone didn't flop as hard as it did. I assume root will never occur with the remaining variants and the lack of overall threads and activity tell me this entire community is dead before it even got off the ground.
I truly hope not. This is a great device and there are good people working on it. I have had little to no issues with my G5 I would really like to see root for it.
There was much drama earlier on with bounties for root. With lock bootloaders it seems near impossible especially with a lack of commitment from devs from the fore mentioned drama. I hope there can be a sort of peace flag raised if that is still an issue. In the meantime I haven't observed much from developers if they are indeed still working on roots. My expertise is no where in dev but more testing of nightlies. I hope I am wrong too.
These threads are always amusing.
Sometimes, often, things are happening behind closed doors. Devs know better than to put what they're doing out there because it creates an environment for "how much longer" and "whats the status". With that being said I can almost guarantee nobody is working on root for the locked variants. If you have one and want root, move on to a device that is rooted.
That's what I'm saying. So many devices don't have root that have been out for awhile now. What I was saying is the lack of activity for the G5 tells me this ship has already sailed.
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What I was saying is the lack of activity for the G5 tells me this flagship has already sailed.
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Wait a few weeks and then sell it on Swappa or something, get an HTC 10. My wife got a G5 for a buck, right before it all hit the fan with the root rumors. It's a fine phone but I feel bad that she got stuck without tethering since we don't have any other service at home. I held off for a day to see what would happen and it ended up going back to $149 so I said screw it. I'm glad I did, my G3 is still just dandy and I've got a 2-year upgrade still waiting for me if the 10 goes on sale. My wife might switch back to her S4 if she needs to tether when I'm not around.
I don't see this going anywhere contributive. Thread closed.