I haven't seen a firm answer yet, so question. Is activating bluetooth/gps a hardware mod, software/rom, or not possible on NT?
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Nobody knows for sure yet because it hasn't yet been done and published. In theory bluetooth can be activated by software though. I'd venture to guess the same is true for GPS.
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Nobody knows for sure yet because it hasn't yet been done and published. In theory bluetooth can be activated by software though. I'd venture to guess the same is true for GPS.
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Both could potentially be "activated", because the chip does support it... but that doesn't mean that it will be worth anything. The GPS almost certainly does not have an antenna on it, and the BT range will likely be crap like on the NookColor for the same reason (no antenna.)
So, the GPS even if we get it working, will still be useless for its intended purpose, while the BT might be able to get working for a very-short-range. (2~3 feet?)
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Both could potentially be "activated", because the chip does support it... but that doesn't mean that it will be worth anything. The GPS almost certainly does not have an antenna on it, and the BT range will likely be crap like on the NookColor for the same reason (no antenna.)
So, the GPS even if we get it working, will still be useless for its intended purpose, while the BT might be able to get working for a very-short-range. (2~3 feet?)
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I would venture that when the bluetooth is enabled, we'd be able to use the fm radio app cause it uses the headphone cable as an antenna. But isn't 2-3 feet ok for a bluetooth ear piece so you can skype or googletalk with it?
tep065 said:
I would venture that when the bluetooth is enabled, we'd be able to use the fm radio app cause it uses the headphone cable as an antenna. But isn't 2-3 feet ok for a bluetooth ear piece so you can skype or googletalk with it?
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Could the gps also use headphones as an antennae?
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HMG10 said:
Could the gps also use headphones as an antennae?
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There is only three ways to know.
1. Build a custom rom that supports GPS and Bluetooth, then try it out.
2. Wait till the devs build you a custom rom, and find out.
3. Consult your crystal ball. =]
Heck,
the only reason why I want bluetooth enabled is do I can use a bluetooth keyboard. (which I know they where able to do with the Nook Color)
I want to use my ps3 controller to play emulators like I do with my phone. It would be such a better experience on the 7" then on my Epic 4G.
nunspa said:
Heck,
the only reason why I want bluetooth enabled is do I can use a bluetooth keyboard. (which I know they where able to do with the Nook Color)
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I would REALLY like this also. Add in a bluetooth webcam and I am an overly happy kid!
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I want to use my ps3 controller to play emulators like I do with my phone. It would be such a better experience on the 7" then on my Epic 4G.
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Sadly there is just no way to know until an alpha of CM9 is out for the NT. They are very close, so it shouldn't be long now. Once that's done, we will have have facts instead of speculation.
I want to build a bluetooth airplane and control it with my NT of doom!!!!!!!
Thanks all for the responses. I personally want to see if we could use pre-cached google maps and use the NT as for some low level gps navigation without a tether to a smartphone.
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would love to se BT work, I have two of these: "pharos-pocket-gps-navigator: and it would be great for the vehicle. Sorry, new to this forum and it will not let me post links.
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I'm looking to swap out my new iPhone 4s for a galaxy s2 but I was wondering how the gps and Bluetooth is. Are there any issues with the gps? Are there any limitations with the Bluetooth (I.e. unable to pair wiimote/ps3 controller)?
I came from a Samsung Captivate so it would be nice to know before committing to it.
Thanks.
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Gps is great first lock takes a while after that its all good. Works with ps3 dont have wii ant comment on that. I love precaching my navigation and turning off my data and just using the vos works great like that, especially with a limited data plan.
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Wait you have an unrooted stock SGSII and are able to pair with a PS3 Controller? I've been told that's impossible unless you are running CM7. Do tell your secret.
I'm interested on how it was done as well. To be honest I just wanted to make sure the Bluetooth has good support for headsets, hands free setups, keyboards, and mice.
Good to know that the galaxy s2 isn't plagued with the gps issues from my captivate.
Can't speak to the controllers, but GPS is night and day batter than captivate. I use a stereo Bluetooth headset for hours on end every day, and never have issues. The Thrill had issues, that is a big part of the reason I got the SGS II.
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Cool. I'll take a bluetooth keyboard and mouse with me into the AT&T store when I go in tomorrow. I'd go in and swap the phones out today but I left the box and all the other accessories to it at home so I can't do it anyways.
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Oops i do need to update my Sig i an rooted lol sorry for the confusion.
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Rooted and running CM7 then I assume?
Bluetooth is fantastic. It connects to everything (I use) pretty much flawlessly. It's the only phone I've ever used that streams song and artist data via A2DP. Vlingo has a listen over Bluetooth mode that activates when you say "Hi Galaxy" and allows you to call, send texts & e-mails, and take notes. Of course there's a big YMMV because Bluetooth is dependent on two devices to work properly and people have had issues with certain in-car systems on the international SGS2 forum. But there's less Bluetooth *****ing about the SGS2 than any other device whose forums I follow.
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Gps is great first lock takes a while after that its all good. Works with ps3 dont have wii ant comment on that. I love precaching my navigation and turning off my data and just using the vos works great like that, especially with a limited data plan.
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Please share how you got the PS3 controller to work
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I thought this thing was somehow using network to get a general location somehow. However when I use my phone as a wi-fi hotspot Maps on my touchpad seems to find me to within 20 feet of wherever I actually am at the time.
Can someone explain this to me? Am I hallucinating? Only seems to work when wi-fi is connected though. Is this some sort of google magic?
Only apple and disney make magic.
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Well, everything I read seems to indicate there is no GPS. in the WiFi version of the TouchPad. However I just opended the maps app and it's right on my house. I have my TP setup to ask me for permission to use location service before an app can use it. Maps ask for this permission prior to giving my location. I assume this is done almost certinly done by Googles location service over my WiFi.
in short, yes it's Google "magic".
To the previous poster... Yes apple also makes magic, but it black magic! LOL
To cut a long story short, it's using the location data of your ip address, through your wifi connection (I believe).
Not necessarily a google thing.
it's just a setting in the router you're getting wifi from. some routers allow you to turn the ip location settings on and off, others are always on.
the only Touchpads with GPS are the 3G/4G ones.
I knew there wasn't a GPS. But I have an unrooted HTC Desire HD phone. Is there an easy way to tether my CM7 Touchpad to my phone to make use of my phone's GPS?
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I knew there wasn't a GPS. But I have an unrooted HTC Desire HD phone. Is there an easy way to tether my CM7 Touchpad to my phone to make use of my phone's GPS?
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I use an external GPS receiver tethered with Bluetooth to the touchpad.
asif9t9 said:
I knew there wasn't a GPS. But I have an unrooted HTC Desire HD phone. Is there an easy way to tether my CM7 Touchpad to my phone to make use of my phone's GPS?
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Yes, download an app called TGPS from the market both on your phone and on the tp, install the client widget on the tp and the server widget on your phone, and as long as you are connected to the same network (either the same wifi or you are using wifi tether from the phone) it will work
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I use an external GPS receiver tethered with Bluetooth to the touchpad.
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Did you have to do anything special to get it to work? I paired my external BT GPS device but it didn't see to work.
I'll have to try again and see.
When google drove around making streetview they logged the mac address of every single wifi point they could find and its location.
Even though your touchpad was connected to your phone, it was receiving the SSID from random wifi routers. Even though it wasn't connected to any of these routers, it knew their location and so could guess where you were,
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Well, according to this document: http://www.qualcomm.com/documents/files/snapdragon-msm8x60-apq8060-product-brief.pdf, it does have embedded GPS. Maybe I am missing something. Certainly the feature is not implemented in webOS on the Touchpad, but maybe the hardware is actually there. One of the devs that has worked with the Touchpad may be able to shed more light on the question.
The Qualcomm datasheet may not give the correct picture. Like many other ARM tablets, the GPS may be incorporated with the 3G part of the chipset, which is not implemented on the standard Touchpad.
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Well, according to this document: http://www.qualcomm.com/documents/files/snapdragon-msm8x60-apq8060-product-brief.pdf, it does have embedded GPS. Maybe I am missing something. Certainly the feature is not implemented in webOS on the Touchpad, but maybe the hardware is actually there. One of the devs that has worked with the Touchpad may be able to shed more light on the question.
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The Qualcomm datasheet may not give the correct picture. Like many other ARM tablets, the GPS may be incorporated with the 3G part of the chipset, which is not implemented on the standard Touchpad.
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THIS.
plus all the different model touchpads have been taken apart and inspected thoroughly. The different touchpads have different hardware not just size differences.
you can read more here:
http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/302420-4g-touchpad-owners-lounge.html
The Qualcomm datasheet may not give the correct picture. Like many other ARM tablets, the GPS may be incorporated with the 3G part of the chipset, which is not implemented on the standard Touchpad.
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Yes, maybe. However, the document does clearly list the modem separately, and caveats other features that do not apply universally. It just seems that the document refers to the GPS functionality as part of the "Snapdragon Family Overview," and lists it separately in the table, where the modems are clearly distinguished.
You are probably right, but this document at least, seems a bit misleading. I am going to look for more technical documentation.
Doesn't Asus have a responsibility to design a working product will all the features that it was intended to have? If it wasn't working as designed before launch they should have not released the product.
It seems like such a simple thing that GPS will not work through aluminum, so how did the design get this far without an engineer saying wait a second this won't work?
I can understand why some people would want to return the tablet for a full refund. They should have the right to do that.
I can also understand how a lot of people may not focus that much on GPS function.
I am also concerned about the fact that the Bluetooth will not work at the same time as Wi-Fi. What does that mean if you are playing a game online with a Bluetooth controller like the one from Gamestop or a PS3 controller?
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so how did the design get this far without an engineer saying wait a second this won't work?
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A "visionary" CEO who doesn't listen to his engineers and won't accept no for an answer would be my guess.
BarryH_GEG said:
A "visionary" CEO who doesn't listen to his engineers and won't accept no for an answer would be my guess.
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Did he say good engineering??? LOL but they don't know aluminium and and GPS don't get along?
i was able to successfully pair my rocketfish Bluetooth hd headphone to my prime and playback a YouTube stream fine. Dragon Ball Z Abridged if anyone's curious for a good laugh, please go look up those episodes they are funny.
very very smart dumb people
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Dragon Ball Z Abridged if anyone's curious for a good laugh, please go look up those episodes they are funny.
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Christmas will never be the same again.
Good to know using bluetooth doesn't necessarily destroy use of internet.
After all the GPS fearmongering I got worried about yet another "ick" on the prime.
Will ICS fix any of this? Wi-Fi? Bluetooth? or GPS?
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Will ICS fix any of this? Wi-Fi? Bluetooth? or GPS?
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unlikely - most of the radio performance issues are due to hardware design and the aluminum used for the body. This blocks the signals and so only slight improvements can be made via SW tweaking...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1423180
There is a 15 page thread already covering wifi and Bluetooth.
I'm seriously going to have to do some testing, but so far, I have experienced no issues with wifi while my bluetooth's running... Like a brilliant end user, I left my charger at work unfortunately, so come monday, I'll be doing actual speed tests to see what's up, but I can honestly say, I have experienced no issues as far as my user experience goes.
As far as GSP goes, Seems fairly useless feature on a wifi-only tablet anyway to me personally... That's why I have a cell phone, no need to drain the battery on 2 devices as once for something like GSP/nav.
As an avid "emulator" user on the iPod Touch/iPhone 4, the first thing I did was install the Android varients and instantly found a problem where the A and B buttons would not be picked up as different buttons. This seems to be an issue amongst all types of emulators and I don't see why only OUR device experiences this.
After failing to find a way to get it to work, I mapped the A button to my Volume Down key.
Also, for some reason Bluetooth Wii motes DO NOT work with our device... why is that?
Anyways, if anyone knows a fix for this, please let us know!
Samsung insists on using a crippled Broadcom Bluetooth stack that doesn't play well with wiimotes or PS3 controllers.
CM7 firmwares often fix wiimotes but break Bluetooth audio (that is the case on the GSII and the Infuse for sure). CM7 for this device is quite a ways off... I'm thinking of pursuing it since it seems like we're close to the I9000 hardware-wise and we don't have to worry about RIL and call audio routing crap, but it'll be a while.
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Samsung insists on using a crippled Broadcom Bluetooth stack that doesn't play well with wiimotes or PS3 controllers.
CM7 firmwares often fix wiimotes but break Bluetooth audio (that is the case on the GSII and the Infuse for sure). CM7 for this device is quite a ways off... I'm thinking of pursuing it since it seems like we're close to the I9000 hardware-wise and we don't have to worry about RIL and call audio routing crap, but it'll be a while.
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Ah okay, thanks for the update Entropy! Guess i'll just hold on until CM7 is eventually working for this device then!
For other people with this issue: The only real way of making emulators playable atm is mapping the A button to the Volume Down/Up hardware buttons. It is a bit awkward, but seems like the best way to do it and works once your used to it!
Using the six axis app and had no problems playing super metroid or secret of mana.
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Using the six axis app and had no problems playing super metroid or secret of mana.
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Hmm, can confirm that the Six Axis controllers MAY work. It says our device is supported when trying the app (I don't have a controller with me so I can't 100% try it).
What games are you having issues with? I'll test em out
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I think the author of sixaxiscontroller may have found a workaround for the Broadcom stack suckage issues. I know sixaxiscontroller worked on my SGS2, which surprised me.
I'll try it tomorrow maybe - I do have a PS3 controller, but I have visitors this weekend.
I just ordered a Bluetooth GPS receiver from Amazon because they are only $5! Original price is $150, so you save 97%.
Bluetooth GPS reciever
Bluetooth-GPS
I figured for $5, it is worth a shot. I should be receiving it by the end of the week, and will post my findings.
mcrcracer said:
I just ordered a Bluetooth GPS receiver from Amazon because they are only $5! Original price is $150, so you save 97%.
Bluetooth GPS reciever
http://www.androidpit.com/en/android.../Bluetooth-GPS
I figured for $5, it is worth a shot. I should be receiving it by the end of the week, and will post my findings.
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Well, you're trading one problem for another, WiFi will vanish with Bluetooth on.
Neither of these links work?
NOT SOLVED.
What's the point of of a thin, sleek tablet when it's got to have a dongle sticking out it.
At most your post is an obvious workaround, but hardly anywhere near ideal, or even acceptable for a lot of people.
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Well, you're trading one problem for another, WiFi will vanish with Bluetooth on.
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If your tethering your tablet via BT to a GPS unit, why would you care if WiFi was off or on? If your even doing this, it is obvious your out traveling and thus, WiFi is of no use so... it is a mute point
Someone Walkin' said:
NOT SOLVED.
What's the point of of a thin, sleek tablet when it's got to have a dongle sticking out it.
At most your post is an obvious workaround, but hardly anywhere near ideal, or even acceptable for a lot of people.
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You obviously don't know what a Bluetooth GPS receiver is. Though I do agree that this is a workaround.
You realize the ones for $5 don't come with the charger, right?
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If your tethering your tablet via BT to a GPS unit, why would you care if WiFi was off or on? If your even doing this, it is obvious your out traveling and thus, WiFi is of no use so... it is a mute point
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unless you want to tether to a phone or hotspot to use nav
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If your tethering your tablet via BT to a GPS unit, why would you care if WiFi was off or on? If your even doing this, it is obvious your out traveling and thus, WiFi is of no use so... it is a mute point
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Wifi-tethering with a smartphone?
Lock-N-Load said:
it is a mute point
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It's a MOOT point, for sure.
tdrussell said:
unless you want to tether to a phone or hotspot to use nav
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if you're doing that then why not just use tether gps?
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if you're doing that then why not just use tether gps?
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Probably true, but sometimes, a smartphone's AGPS isn't that much better.
And sometimes, you want to use... the Internet.
Glad I don't really care about GPS on a tablet or even a laptop. Both my cars have navigation systems so I'm good on that
wifi-tethering with a smartphone? I'll just use the phone GPS.
Honestly I can't even think of a situation where I really needed GPS on a larger screen...
(obviously this is just my personal situation)
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Probably true, but sometimes, a smartphone's AGPS isn't that much better.
And sometimes, you want to use... the Internet.
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I'm not saying its ideal. Obviously having a dedicated working gps in the tab is better. I'm just saying if you have a smart phone, instead of buying a bluetooth gps and jumping through hoops and all, might as well just use tether gps and use your phone's.
hairdewx said:
Glad I don't really care about GPS on a tablet or even a laptop. Both my cars have navigation systems so I'm good on that
wifi-tethering with a smartphone? I'll just use the phone GPS.
Honestly I can't even think of a situation where I really needed GPS on a larger screen...
(obviously this is just my personal situation)
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Exactly what I was thinking with all these people complaining about the GPS. I could care less. I don't think I will ever even turn it on.
wynand32 said:
It's a MOOT point, for sure.
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d'ohh busted
kristovaher said:
Well, you're trading one problem for another, WiFi will vanish with Bluetooth on.
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Situation 1: You're home using your wifi and you need Blutooth GPS.
Solution: Dude, if you need to know where you are at home, there is a bigger issue.
Situation 2: You're driving down the road and you need Blutooth GPS.
Solution: Turn it on, there's no Wifi anyways
Situation 3: You're driving down the road, you need GPS, but someone is using the Prime in the passenger seat connected to a wifi hotspot from a phone right next to you.
Solution: First, it probably won't drop in that close proximity. Second, how often is this situation going to happen? For six sigma the population, this will happen less than once.
Situation 4: You're in a coffee shop on wifi and need GPS.
Solution: Disconnect Wifi, do your GPS location, reconnect Wifi.
Alternate Solution: Use the wifi location tracking.
So really, there is no issue here. Unless you have one I'm not thinking of.
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I'm not saying its ideal. Obviously having a dedicated working gps in the tab is better. I'm just saying if you have a smart phone, instead of buying a bluetooth gps and jumping through hoops and all, might as well just use tether gps and use your phone's.
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Oh, I agree. If you have a smartphone, might as well use the phone for GPS. Tether-GPS isn't that fast.
I PERSONALLY will never use GPS with my tablet though. There's a reason why GPS devices don't have 10" screen ;P
Just so we are clear, I am by no means in NEED of GPS on my tablet, as I have a droid bionic.
This workaround is for my wife to use while I am driving. We go on a lot of road trips, and she constantly complains about screen size of the droid.
I agree with people in the sense that GPS is not needed on the tablet, and it is not feasible to be driving around by yourself using the tablet for GPS.
I think you will find that tethering a bt GPS might be a pain. Back in the day I managed it with my old dell axim but drivers will be an issue on android.
There can be use for GPS in a tablet with cached or offline maps though. I actually hold on to our htc-hd2 because of the great GPS with offline maps under wm6.x. we use it all the time...but I prefer the pocketabilty of that system for GPS navigation.
I have little use for GPS on a tablet...but I am a little annoyed as I was with my vibrant that GPS is not working as advertised on the prime.
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