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Ok, right off the bat I want to say that I'm not an idiot when it comes to computers/technology so I don't want to be babied when I ask this. I am new to Android, but not new to Linux by any stretch of the imagination. I didn't get this phone because Verizon advertised it as being a good phone, but because I knew that my first Android should be a beast.
Off of my rant, I was doing some research and I am willing to do some dev work or work with devs on on CM7 for the X2 directly or indirectly.
That being said, I know that CM7 is a ROM, but I was reading about kernels for CM7. Is this REALLY necessary? I know with a locked bootloader we can't do kernels yet, but do we need it? And if not? Where do I begin if I wanted to help?
I've done a decent (not too much, but decent) amount of work in this area (I've built more custom Linux kernels than fingers and toes on my whole family). But locked bootloaders and porting entire OS's is a bit over my head.
Long question short, are the CM kernels needed? or just recommended? and if not, where do you think we really need to begin?
(Sorry for the length)
Thank You, everyone.
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Ok, right off the bat I want to say that I'm not an idiot when it comes to computers/technology so I don't want to be babied when I ask this. I am new to Android, but not new to Linux by any stretch of the imagination. I didn't get this phone because Verizon advertised it as being a good phone, but because I knew that my first Android should be a beast.
Off of my rant, I was doing some research and I am willing to do some dev work or work with devs on on CM7 for the X2 directly or indirectly.
That being said, I know that CM7 is a ROM, but I was reading about kernels for CM7. Is this REALLY necessary? I know with a locked bootloader we can't do kernels yet, but do we need it? And if not? Where do I begin if I wanted to help?
I've done a decent (not too much, but decent) amount of work in this area (I've built more custom Linux kernels than fingers and toes on my whole family). But locked bootloaders and porting entire OS's is a bit over my head.
Long question short, are the CM kernels needed? or just recommended? and if not, where do you think we really need to begin?
(Sorry for the length)
Thank You, everyone.
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dragonzkiller said:
Ok, right off the bat I want to say that I'm not an idiot when it comes to computers/technology so I don't want to be babied when I ask this. I am new to Android, but not new to Linux by any stretch of the imagination. I didn't get this phone because Verizon advertised it as being a good phone, but because I knew that my first Android should be a beast.
Off of my rant, I was doing some research and I am willing to do some dev work or work with devs on on CM7 for the X2 directly or indirectly.
That being said, I know that CM7 is a ROM, but I was reading about kernels for CM7. Is this REALLY necessary? I know with a locked bootloader we can't do kernels yet, but do we need it? And if not? Where do I begin if I wanted to help?
I've done a decent (not too much, but decent) amount of work in this area (I've built more custom Linux kernels than fingers and toes on my whole family). But locked bootloaders and porting entire OS's is a bit over my head.
Long question short, are the CM kernels needed? or just recommended? and if not, where do you think we really need to begin?
(Sorry for the length)
Thank You, everyone.
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IMO be the first to say, job well done! Your belief you turned into reality, thank you!
Dee Ex Two - See Em Seven
Haha man was I confused until I read dzk's post date.
That being said, thanks again dzk!
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It got me too.
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Hahhaa, great thread find. Totally worth resuscitating. So glad Dzk made the mistake of buying the X2.
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Hahhaa, great thread find. Totally worth resuscitating. So glad Dzk made the mistake of buying the X2.
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Omg, that's awesome, had to do a total double take when I wondered who this was and was shocked! What a great journey from july 15th to now!
Let's see, a quick little bit of math, 24 month contract + July...
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That is a great journey. I'm loving my CM7 powered Droid X2.
Thanks dzk
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I recently got the photon 4g coming from the evo and sadly I only see like 3 roms. I thought this phone would be more popular and get more attention. Hope I didnt make the wrong phone choice.
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i'm guessing because the unlocked bootloader is killing 4g - and people are waiting until there's a fix for that to start pumping out the roms...
Would you rather have fifteen mediocre ROM choices or a couple good ones? I guess what I'm getting at is what do you want in your ROM? We've got some very talented developers here and have a couple solid, daily ROM's plus kernals. I'm just waiting fora good ICS build to come out.
BTW I don't think you'll regret your decision.
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js11222 said:
I recently got the photon 4g coming from the evo and sadly I only see like 3 roms. I thought this phone would be more popular and get more attention. Hope I didnt make the wrong phone choice.
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First I think that we need to start with the fact that this is a drawn out question that has been brought up a dozen times (try looking). This is a question that will easily piss off several people in the XDA world, especially the seasoned posters. How many ROM's do you need? I also had a EVO and yes there were SEVERAL ROM's however most of the them were slight variations of the same ROM, just with a personal developers twist on it. (by the way - all hail the Developers). In regards to the MoPho, the unlocked bootloader is a issue, however, the MoPho ran better than the EVO fresh out the box. I personally am running CM7 and I can not believe a phone can be this damn responsive, this fast, and this damn awesome. So when you ask the question, Why so few ROMS - try clicking on one of the several links that the website refers you to that shows other people asking the same question. Remeber the golden rule to XDA - search for the answer first!
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I recently got the photon 4g coming from the evo and sadly I only see like 3 roms. I thought this phone would be more popular and get more attention. Hope I didnt make the wrong phone choice.
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Really? Wait, let me get this straight...really?
Its hard to improve a great phone, the evo sucked and needed roms.
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Its hard to improve a great phone, the evo sucked and needed roms.
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Amen to that!!!!
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Because motorola sucks. This phone would have been my last choice but my work gave this to me for free so i can't complain
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No they just dont like modders.
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Because motorola sucks. This phone would have been my last choice but my work gave this to me for free so i can't complain
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frigid said:
Because motorola sucks. This phone would have been my last choice but my work gave this to me for free so i can't complain
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Nice.
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first of all, welcome to the photon community. hope you stay a while.
second, you will find that development has only just picked up heavy in the last month. the same went for the EVO, it takes time to develop.
third, please check out the roms we do have, they are wonderful and if you like CM7, we have that!
Id rather have a great build like CM7 then a million roms that are just a snowflake from being the same thing. few is better to me when it comes to rom builds.
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Because motorola sucks. This phone would have been my last choice but my work gave this to me for free so i can't complain
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Cheap sucker, lol
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Thanx for all the responses. Im looking for a daily,stable,customizable rom with everything working. With the exception of 4g which i dont get where i live anyways. I dont care for blur nor did i for sense. Im good with a solid aosp rom.
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Thanx for all the responses. Im looking for a daily,stable,customizable rom with everything working. With the exception of 4g which i dont get where i live anyways. I dont care for blur nor did i for sense. Im good with a solid aosp rom.
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CM7 all the way
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Just go with Cybik's CM7 port. It is being submitted to Cyanogen for approval, so will be hopefully soon, a fully supported and "blessed" ROM. The lack of 4G is a non-issue for me, no 4G in my area, but would be nice to eventually get it for when I travel.
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million roms that are just a snowflake from being the same thing. few is better to me when it comes to rom builds.
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Agree, except for snowflake part. Each is unique with no two being the same
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Jokers skinny 4g has been good to me, but hope we get a unlocked 4g soon.
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First I think that we need to start with the fact that .... This is a question that will easily piss off several people in the XDA world, especially the seasoned posters.
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I resemble the above remark
Here goes the soapbox (yet again):
js11222, your seemingly harmless question (the title of the thread) wasn't horrible.. however the first post you made in this thread is absurd.....
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I recently got the photon 4g coming from the evo and sadly I only see like 3 roms.
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Sadly ??
js11222 said:
I thought this phone would be more popular and get more attention.
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What was this 'thought' based on ??
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Hope I didnt make the wrong phone choice.
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if your phone choice was based on the 'thought' or 'hope' of a certain number of ROM's or a certain quantity of development then you might want to re-consider the basis by which you make electronics purchases.
And for the love of all that is holy, please research/search before posting and stop insulting the development that we DO have. Obviously you haven't spent any time reading in the fora to make a fair assessment of the status of development for this device yet you are very quick to hop in the general forum and make (what seems to be) a complaint thread.
just sayin'
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ALL ROMs on ALL phones are based on rooted deodex stock, AOSP or porting. 99% of those ROMs are nothing more than minor changes to either stock or AOSP. Almost everything can be done with flashable theme packs.
The remaining 1% are serious rewrites, optimizations or ports. For example, ROMs like CM7, Vaelpak and Synergy are serious coding. Changing the font or color scheme is theming and not a ROM.
Dear daddymikey1975
First off its not my fault your RETARTED second i wasnt putting anyone down and last but not least i was just asking a simple question and not complaining so thats my thought process
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http://www.droid-life.com/2012/05/21/motorola-not-upgrading-the-droid-3-and-droid-x2-to-ics-because-it-wont-improve-them/
Such bull****.
Well coming from Motorola and Verizon " their " ics with bloatware would probably run worse. So it may be true
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Ya well I can give a **** who owns Motorola now, I will never by another Motorola phone again. This was decided before the announcement, but it certainly doesn't help. My last three phones were Motorola, and its my fifth Motorola phone over all. Never again. I am done with their bull**** and if Google keeps up their assault on user privacy, I will toss them out as well.
Corporate America seriously needs a kick in the ass to straighten them out.
Kids, stop whining! The droid x2 is running ics! Maybe try contributing a little bit of positivity to the community to help the developers. Honestly, you all make me sick with these posts
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Pixelation said:
Kids, stop whining! The droid x2 is running ics! Maybe try contributing a little bit of positivity to the community to help the developers. Honestly, you all make me sick with these posts
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your argument has no weight until CM9 is out of alpha and has some functioning features
I would rather have a fully working cm9 if not for DK you would have no cm9 at all.
Pixelation I hope you were joking. No official ics, cutting off unlimited data and you are fine with all this?
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Kids, stop whining! The droid x2 is running ics! Maybe try contributing a little bit of positivity to the community to help the developers. Honestly, you all make me sick with these posts
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This has absolutely no relevance. This isn't a whining post. Peoples disdain for moto and Verizon has nothing to do with the community. Everyone here is very supportive and appreciative of the devs hard work. But who wouldn't want an official ics for our phone? It would help the devs a lot. Chill out with your misplaced self righteousness.
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If you got official ics I bet DK would give you a Stable cm9 the next day with everything working.
We still would do well with a kernel that is for ICS.
Yawn.... I am so past this mess. Just waiting for my wireless contract to end so I can get a new phone. Until then, I'll run Eclipse until Dzk hopefully releases a more stable build of CM9X2. But, I do understand that he does have a life outside of playing with the X2, so I will not hold my breath.
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Yawn.... I am so past this mess. Just waiting for my wireless contract to end so I can get a new phone. Until then, I'll run Eclipse until Dzk hopefully releases a more stable build of CM9X2. But, I do understand that he does have a life outside of playing with the X2, so I will not hold my breath.
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I'm in the same boat as you, running Eclipse.
I've been running cm9 since release and it hasn't locked up or restarted? I find its actually not to unstable although I don't use camera and don't run many apps. Battery life is a little bit worse than cm7. Lack of flash I think is the worst I personally see.
Edit... I think cm9 would be a lot more stable for folks if they would turn off auto rotation for the time being.
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Maximinus I said:
I've been running cm9 since release and it hasn't locked up or restarted? I find its actually not to unstable although I don't use camera and don't run many apps. Battery life is a little bit worse than cm7. Lack of flash I think is the worst I personally see.
Edit... I think cm9 would be a lot more stable for folks if they would turn off auto rotation for the time being.
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I'm going to turn off auto rotation and see if that helps.
That's the only difference I can see as to why I don't have a lot of fc's or random reboots. I hope it works for you. I think cm9 gets an undeserved bad rap because a lot of people forget its a very early alpha and try to run it like its an oe rom.
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I am going to be cutting my ties to big red and am going to get a gnote1 from Swappa or somewhere (attention version) and go to straight Talk. I have read through lots of threads and I think with the gnote2 coming soon I would just get a great deal on the gnote1.
So my question is to the people or even the developers. Would you stick with the 1 or go to the 2. Will Samsung support this device for awhile?
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Well if you're looking for a 1, try canadagsm.ca. $525
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madman604 said:
Well if you're looking for a 1, try canadagsm.ca. $525
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Swappa has them rooted for less than 4
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And they are all over craigslist for less than $200. Use a little common sense here. Once the Note2 is released many Devs and Recognized Contributors will move on. That is a fact of life here on XDA. It has and will always be this way. So development will slow but there will be development. Samsung has spoken that there should be a JB release for this phone. Not much more that can be said.
Galaxy Note
Samsung will at least support Jelly Bean - past that, I don't know. That being said, it's a great phone with a lot of potential, could definitely last you a while. I'm not sure when the Note 2 is coming out, but I've seen rumors of an Oct 24 release. When that day hits, you might see a larger drop in note 1 prices.
Thank you for your responses. I ended up getting one. I am loving it so far. For what I have read there seems to be lots of emphasis on kernels and "modems"?
I am familiar with flashing roms and flashing kernels for a rom. But not modems?
I just downloaded cm9 so well see how it goes.
Again thank you for your responses
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If you have no issues with your phone or data connection then there is no reason to flash a modem. If it is working, don't mess with it. Kernels are really only needed for another level of customization or to overclock. If the custom ROM you install does well then again feel fortunate and leave it alone. If there are issues then others in the ROMs thread and even the Dev will recommend kernels to try.
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If you have no issues with your phone or data connection then there is no reason to flash a modem. If it is working, don't mess with it. Kernels are really only needed for another level of customization or to overclock. If the custom ROM you install does well then again feel fortunate and leave it alone. If there are issues then others in the ROMs thread and even the Dev will recommend kernels to try.
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I will keep this in mind. Thanks for your knowledge. I am new to Samsung so I am not sure about certain things. I have owned all htc devices. So I am on a steep learning curve.
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I'm just curious as to why Verizon note 2 is lacking so much in the ROM development side of things compared to other carriers. Is it solely because we are still only 4.1.1? Just thought it would be interesting to see peoples input!
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By the way, sorry if this is in the wrong thread :/
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It's been discussed already...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2127422&highlight=development
Oops! Sorry for taking up space Haha. Didn't look too far into the forums for anything related.
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nunyazz said:
It's been discussed already...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2127422&highlight=development
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Only a quarter of a year ago....And even in the thread you linked there were whiny people complaining that someone else at some point had asked the question. Lighten up.
Didn't mean to step on any toes or anything. There just hasn't been hardly any development on here lately so I thought I would get something going. Trust me if I had the time, and the abilities like these developers do, I would throw my hat in the ring. But at my current level of (lowly) expertise I should probably leave that up to the people that know what they're doing
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Yet Scott just released a zip that will allow us to flash t mobile, and att roms. Give me a moment, and I will find the thread, and post it here. If you want to see a dead phone, go look at the rezound. The phone is barely a year and a half old, and it is marching into obscurity. The droid incredible has more action. These threads aren't going to produce more roms, just bad attitudes. Try playing with all of the mods we have, and theme it to whatever you want it to be. Morphology, Xposed, and a slew of others. Troll the other carriers threads, and pull mods that you want. That is all we can ask for, unless you are paying the devs a paycheck.
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HughesNet said:
. Lighten up.
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Really dude? Get a life.
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Really dude? Get a life.
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Yes, really.
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jbrown30 said:
Didn't mean to step on any toes or anything. There just hasn't been hardly any development on here lately so I thought I would get something going. Trust me if I had the time, and the abilities like these developers do, I would throw my hat in the ring. But at my current level of (lowly) expertise I should probably leave that up to the people that know what they're doing
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Which have you tried? Both Jedi and Jelly Beans are both great. I am using the mod in my sig right now as I like that it keeps the samsung allshare features working.
With a combination of Jelly Beans, Widget Locker, and a theme you could pretty much get anything done you want. Pick up the odd app or mod here and there to fill in the gaps.
By the way, if you want to give 4.1.2 a go Jedi is running that. It is great if you don't need the Samsung services.
Here is a thread with all the info for running other carriers. This should keep you busy for awhile. Though, I hear sprint roms are a disaster.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2239353
Is there a way to run Sprint, and T-Mobile roms on Verizon?
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Though, I hear sprint roms are a disaster.
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I think this has been my main take away from discussions, and browsing the other forums. Quantity in this case definitely does not equal quality. I don't see the point in having 10 options if only 2 or 3 are viable. However, that is just my opinion.
Most source built ROMs (AOSP) are going to have issues, whether major or minor, and are much easier to customize as you're dealing with XML and java. However, the lack of TW features keep people away from them.
With TouchWiz ROMs, you don't lose any functionality, but there is only so much that smali hacking can do. Most of this is just the time consuming nature of trying to hack a ROM via smali only. You could get everything in your favorite source built ROM if you wanted to take the time to do so. But, given that this is a for-fun thing and not a money making venture, developers aren't likely to take that amount of time if they wouldn't use it themselves.
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I think this has been my main take away from discussions, and browsing the other forums. Quantity in this case definitely does not equal quality. I don't see the point in having 10 options if only 2 or 3 are viable. However, that is just my opinion.
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I would definitely prefer a few quality roms with great support than 27 versions of cyanogenmod that are 98% the same. Beans, MeanBean, Tweaked, Jedi, Elemental...that should be plenty to keep the crack flashers happy.
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Here is a thread with all the info for running other carriers. This should keep you busy for awhile. Though, I hear sprint roms are a disaster.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2239353
Is there a way to run Sprint, and T-Mobile roms on Verizon?
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Appreciate the input man!
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What is a rom really? To me It's just a better version of what the manufacturer builds. The stuff is basically the same for the most part with the addition of tweaks for better battery performance etc... That are added by the dev. The thing that makes a rom different are the things like themes and different looking batteries etc..., so why have 100 roms that essentially are the same? I would prefer to have 1 rom that performs well with a bunch of themes and mods hence i only use meanbean and love the real icon theme, or morphology. Mean bean is a great rom and with pbj kernel even better.
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To each their own ya know. My reason personally for rooting and unlocking is personalization, which is why I tend to end up at aosp more often than not. There's plenty of options and stuff to mix around. The only reason why I made a topic about it was because of the extensive development on other carriers. Not because I'm not pleased with what's here, I just have a hard time staying on one ROM for long
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To each their own ya know. My reason personally for rooting and unlocking is personalization, which is why I tend to end up at aosp more often than not. There's plenty of options and stuff to mix around. The only reason why I made a topic about it was because of the extensive development on other carriers. Not because I'm not pleased with what's here, I just have a hard time staying on one ROM for long
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This answer makes me glad I didn't flame you last night when I was drunk haha. Meanbean plus morphology is plenty of customization for me haha
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stock android firmware has evolved into something so much better than it use to be...im still on beans build 2 because it flatout works and has all the things I need. Its hard to develop when stock touchwiz is so good out of the box. the only real thing that touchwiz needs is themeing. beans takes the cake on that. aosp was nice on my gs1 because it trimmed the fat and made the ol single core with limited ram run smooth. these quad core beasts are designed to handle bloat and a festure rich skins(touchwiz), so aosp does not have the appeal and performance advantage it use to. however for the folks that
keep this device well past tthe point verizon quits supporting it, then aosp will shine...simply for the fact it will bring the latest android offerings and keep the note 2 alive.
I think it had A LOT to do with TW and Spen/Note 2 specific features. Nobody really wants to lose them, and there's only so many ways to mess with TW. There's plenty of AOSP/KP stuff but look at the involvement compared to TW roms... It's there, but not as much... My take on it anyway.
Edit: Yeah, what Droidstyle said, lol.
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Don't forget that Samsung has promised an update to 4.2 for the Note II sometime this year. No real timetable, but when it comes it will be a shot in the arm for development.
Myself, I bounce between Beans ROM and CyanogenMod. The S-Pen features are what generally keep me hopping, but both are good.