Ok, right off the bat I want to say that I'm not an idiot when it comes to computers/technology so I don't want to be babied when I ask this. I am new to Android, but not new to Linux by any stretch of the imagination. I didn't get this phone because Verizon advertised it as being a good phone, but because I knew that my first Android should be a beast.
Off of my rant, I was doing some research and I am willing to do some dev work or work with devs on on CM7 for the X2 directly or indirectly.
That being said, I know that CM7 is a ROM, but I was reading about kernels for CM7. Is this REALLY necessary? I know with a locked bootloader we can't do kernels yet, but do we need it? And if not? Where do I begin if I wanted to help?
I've done a decent (not too much, but decent) amount of work in this area (I've built more custom Linux kernels than fingers and toes on my whole family). But locked bootloaders and porting entire OS's is a bit over my head.
Long question short, are the CM kernels needed? or just recommended? and if not, where do you think we really need to begin?
(Sorry for the length)
Thank You, everyone.
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Ok, right off the bat I want to say that I'm not an idiot when it comes to computers/technology so I don't want to be babied when I ask this. I am new to Android, but not new to Linux by any stretch of the imagination. I didn't get this phone because Verizon advertised it as being a good phone, but because I knew that my first Android should be a beast.
Off of my rant, I was doing some research and I am willing to do some dev work or work with devs on on CM7 for the X2 directly or indirectly.
That being said, I know that CM7 is a ROM, but I was reading about kernels for CM7. Is this REALLY necessary? I know with a locked bootloader we can't do kernels yet, but do we need it? And if not? Where do I begin if I wanted to help?
I've done a decent (not too much, but decent) amount of work in this area (I've built more custom Linux kernels than fingers and toes on my whole family). But locked bootloaders and porting entire OS's is a bit over my head.
Long question short, are the CM kernels needed? or just recommended? and if not, where do you think we really need to begin?
(Sorry for the length)
Thank You, everyone.
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dragonzkiller said:
Ok, right off the bat I want to say that I'm not an idiot when it comes to computers/technology so I don't want to be babied when I ask this. I am new to Android, but not new to Linux by any stretch of the imagination. I didn't get this phone because Verizon advertised it as being a good phone, but because I knew that my first Android should be a beast.
Off of my rant, I was doing some research and I am willing to do some dev work or work with devs on on CM7 for the X2 directly or indirectly.
That being said, I know that CM7 is a ROM, but I was reading about kernels for CM7. Is this REALLY necessary? I know with a locked bootloader we can't do kernels yet, but do we need it? And if not? Where do I begin if I wanted to help?
I've done a decent (not too much, but decent) amount of work in this area (I've built more custom Linux kernels than fingers and toes on my whole family). But locked bootloaders and porting entire OS's is a bit over my head.
Long question short, are the CM kernels needed? or just recommended? and if not, where do you think we really need to begin?
(Sorry for the length)
Thank You, everyone.
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IMO be the first to say, job well done! Your belief you turned into reality, thank you!
Dee Ex Two - See Em Seven
Haha man was I confused until I read dzk's post date.
That being said, thanks again dzk!
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It got me too.
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Hahhaa, great thread find. Totally worth resuscitating. So glad Dzk made the mistake of buying the X2.
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Hahhaa, great thread find. Totally worth resuscitating. So glad Dzk made the mistake of buying the X2.
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Omg, that's awesome, had to do a total double take when I wondered who this was and was shocked! What a great journey from july 15th to now!
Let's see, a quick little bit of math, 24 month contract + July...
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That is a great journey. I'm loving my CM7 powered Droid X2.
Thanks dzk
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So anyone heard any word on if our x2's will get ics or 2.3.5?
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I am sure now that Google took the reigns the X2 will be on the list(not the top, but on it) to get ICS.
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I am sure now that Google took the reigns the X2 will be on the list(not the top, but on it) to get ICS.
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The one thing everyone seems to forget though is how old this phone will be once this actually goes through. It takes a long time for the legal part of corporate acquisitions to go through. Google won't actually be having a say in moto for at least a year, if not longer. It wasn't really to have a hardware company anyways, it was a patent grab for protection. They have also said moto will remain a separate company and act as such, so...
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The other part of the equation is the dev community. With active, dedicated developers, many good things can come our way. Most of the best stuff we had on the fascinate wasn't the result of anything specifically released for the vzw fascinate. Alot was adapted by our devs from releases for other galaxy s variants, but we benefited from it because of their efforts. That's why I think we need to treat them as the resource that they are. One of the best devs on the fascinate recently left xda because of all the drama & he wasn't the first. If you want more work to be done on this phone than you gotta do your part to lessen the crap, not make more.
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The other part of the equation is the dev community. With active, dedicated developers, many good things can come our way. Most of the best stuff we had on the fascinate wasn't the result of anything specifically released for the vzw fascinate. Alot was adapted by our devs from releases for other galaxy s variants, but we benefited from it because of their efforts. That's why I think we need to treat them as the resource that they are. One of the best devs on the fascinate recently left xda because of all the drama & he wasn't the first. If you want more work to be done on this phone than you gotta do your part to lessen the crap, not make more.
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But it also had an unlocked bl and that help'd make a couple dev's come, we have 3 devs and i don't think any of them are happy
I know google aquiring Motorola really wasn't gonna change anything at least for awhile, but I mean moto hasn't been the slowest on updates. Although Verizon may get in the way of any speedy update
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But it also had an unlocked bl and that help'd make a couple dev's come, we have 3 devs and i don't think any of them are happy
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You are right there. Samsung is more dev friendly with initial firmware features but from what I've gathered their code's a frustrating nightmare & updates are painfully slow. Plus the nonstandard file structure adds the necessity of conversion for any type of real performance kick. Nothing is perfect, that's for sure. I'm just thankful to have a phone that works like a phone first and a hobby second.
As far as the devs are concerned, nitro & naven did excellent work for the fascinate community & I've been really thankful to see them here, not to minimize any of the other contributors on this forum in any way. All of them do something I don't know how to & I get to benefit from it; that's win-win in my book. So, what can we do as participants & beneficiaries to make these guys want to stick around?
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I'm just wondering why the development community for the Photon has been so slow. I am not complaining, and am extremely greatful for everyone's work on the projects that keep us modders happy. I'm simply curioius as to whether or not there's a specific issue (an unreleased SDK, just a difficult phone to develop for, etc) as there have been several phones that have come out since the MoPho and already have more roms/kernals/etc. Again, this is simply out of curiosity. Thank you for any answers that you guys can provide.
Ive asked the same thing for a long time i still dont get it
It's the working mans phone, plus its not plagued with issues
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I'm just glad we have come this far...
Slow?.... we have miui and cm7 with jokers skinny rom and even sockmonkey....over 10+ oc/uv gpu enhanced kernels up to 1.5giggityhurtz ....
Only other thing I can see being modded is our pos pentile screen.....
Every optimized or enhanced android setting I come across that seem possible to port to our kernels/roms I send it jokers way cause he knows best if its worth a look or not.
So any suggestions that adds to our current awsomeness..by all means say so....
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Slow?.... we have miui and cm7 with jokers skinny rom and even sockmonkey....over 10+ oc/uv gpu enhanced kernels up to 1.5giggityhurtz ....
Only other thing I can see being modded is our pos pentile screen.....
Every optimized or enhanced android setting I come across that seem possible to port to our kernels/roms I send it jokers way cause he knows best if its worth a look or not.
So any suggestions that adds to our current awsomeness..by all means say so....
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Are those not still in Alpha phase though? Maybe I'm just nitpicking, but I was talking about full releases. However, I could be just not looking hard enough or am looking over the obvious, which with me, is entirely possible.
Well considering everything software wise should be considered beta(perfect software will never happen). Im pretty sure my stuff is safe. When i release a kernel, i upload from that kernel. I cant guarantee no bugs because not even stock isnt without bugs. I use alpha to scare away people that will brand all my stuff crap. Once a kernel goes stable its the same kernel just tested by more than just me.
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Are those not still in Alpha phase though? Maybe I'm just nitpicking, but I was talking about full releases. However, I could be just not looking hard enough or am looking over the obvious, which with me, is entirely possible.
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Are those not still in Alpha phase though? Maybe I'm just nitpicking, but I was talking about full releases. However, I could be just not looking hard enough or am looking over the obvious, which with me, is entirely possible.
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Although listed as alpha, they work very well. Give them a try.
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I'm using MIUI alpha and is pretty solid. Has its share of bugs but very promising.
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I wish I knew the answer to this as well. In fact, I asked the exact same question about a month ago and all I was told was that it's due to poor marketing by Sprint?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1345073
All I ever hear from everyone is how much of a kickass phone this is, which I totally agree with. You would think that for a phone with such a solid platform to work off of, the development would be insane. Unfortunately, it's just the opposite.
i have to agree with jay
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i have to agree with jay
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Have you done any development for it? No? That's why it's slow.
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Go home troll
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i have to agree with jay
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Instead of asking why there isn't enough development, why not state specifics on what you are looking for that is missing?
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honestly no offence to you but this can be pretty insulting to our developers who are highly skilled and working all their free time into getting this going, talk to Motorola for locking the bootloader and not releasing they're kernel if u want to make things faster and easier for the developers.
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Not too many developers have this device. If this device was on Verizon, we would have development up our a**es, but Sprint is not too popular of a service provider for Android developers, other than the Samsung Galaxy Epic Touch...
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Not too many developers have this device. If this device was on Verizon, we would have development up our a**es, but Sprint is not too popular of a service provider for Android developers, other than the Samsung Galaxy Epic Touch...
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I don't think this is entirely true. I came from the Evo 4G, and development/roms were plentiful from the dev community for that phone.
While it is a bit disconcerting to see the lack of development for my new Photon, it is important to remember that developers do this on their own time. However, as others have said, this device is far and above, even with Motoblur (which is awful, btw), what most other devices have to offer. There are, obviously, some other highly spec'd Sprint phones, like the SGSII, Evo3d, and the Nexus S 4G. And with the now impending release of the new Nexus on Sprint, I would assume development for the MoPho will likely drop altogether.
All that said, I do wish I had a stable AOSP ROM to put on this phone, with a nice guide on the most up-to-date rooting method(s). I only got this phone yesterday, so it'll be a few hours of fishing through hundreds of pages of forums before I'm ready to start rooting (I'm on 2.3.4)...my concern is what to put on my phone AFTER I'm rooted. :-(
Anyways -- thanks to all the devs that have put something together for us. Joker, it seems that your stuff is at the forefront, while some people are apparently still using the CM7 build from Cybik. Maybe I'll try it all!
Just to give a little perspective regarding software, when the company I work for goes to update an existing device with new code it takes a fair amount of full time software developers and testers (at least 3 or 4 of each) and a couple of months to get something out in a fairly stable state when they are familiar with the code that are updating.
What the developers here are doing is makes updates to code they did not create or develop and lord knows if there is one thing developers hate to do is comment code. So it makes it even more difficult for anyone to first understand what the code is doing in order to make that changes let alone someone who has a separate full time job.
I know your not complaining about the slowness, only asking why so I thought I would give me 2 cents.
Yeah jokers cm9 is running great! You should try it out. The only reason not to use it is the camera doesn't work so if that is important to you just wait. I barely use the camera so doesn't bother me.
Some nice ROMs and themes came around after the bootloader was unlocked last summer, but I can't help but feel as though the dev community is done with it. There's still no Cyanogen and I just know it's not getting any ICS goodness.
Why is that? The Droid X2 is still one of the best Android phones out there, plenty of people have it. Opinions?
The bootloader has never been unlocked.
The X2 is a great phone....if you've never played around with another android device before.
we still have devs around, like dragonz, ace, masta, and that team, theyre trying to port over CM7 and we have 2nd-init, so theres still dev love, but with the BL not being unlocked as of yet there isnt too much we can do at this moment
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As stated, the bootloader is not unlocked. Root was acquired, but that is different from unlocking the bootloader.
But I feel what else hurts it is the 512mb main memory. Even though it's a dual-core phone, the limited main memory has hurt it, IMHO.
But, the locked bootloader is what has really held this phone back. As stated by ztotherad, you can only release so many deodexed ROMs before it just doesn't matter anymore. I think we are getting to that point.
Since the kernel and bootloader are locked, you can't do much more customization.
We are on the brink of aosp roms running on our phones. That has taken a lot of time to work on, and by some wonderful devs. It may have taken a while bit this phone is starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Really there are now only a small handful of things this phone cannot do, like overclock, but we are now seeing a huge door open for us and its all because of "dev love", a few never gave up on this phone even though so many others have.
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We are on the brink of aosp roms running on our phones. That has taken a lot of time to work on, and by some wonderful devs. It may have taken a while bit this phone is starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Really there are now only a small handful of things this phone cannot do, like overclock, but we are now seeing a huge door open for us and its all because of "dev love", a few never gave up on this phone even though so many others have.
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and honestly, im so grateful for these devs, if it wasnt because of them wed be in the same boat as my devour (with no dev support). so im thankful we have amazing devs!
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Some nice ROMs and themes came around after the bootloader was unlocked last summer, but I can't help but feel as though the dev community is done with it. There's still no Cyanogen and I just know it's not getting any ICS goodness.
Why is that? The Droid X2 is still one of the best Android phones out there, plenty of people have it. Opinions?
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If you have an unlocked bootloader u.need to share that right now
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if you have an unlocked bootloader u.need to share that right now
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exactly, share yo' keys, bro! :d
There are devs cranking out code for the X2 as I write this. Have you even read any of the threads in the development forum?
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The bootloader has never been unlocked.
The X2 is a great phone....if you've never played around with another android device before.
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That depends.
My previous phone was an LG Vortex - ARM6 processor, 600mhz processor, Android 2.2.
So, the X2 is a major upgrade compared to that sorry excuse for an android phone. But hey, it was free!
Why no dev love for the x2?!
That's an understatement to the awesome devs that we do have. There 2nd-init development is no joke.Im suprised they stuck with the dx2 and didnt move to another device seeing as how difficult it is to work with. I have faith in the devs here with the dx2 in a matter of time they'll get it running sum sweetness.
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Why no dev love for the x2?!
That's an understatement to the awesome devs that we do have. There 2nd-init development is no joke.Im suprised they stuck with the dx2 and didnt move to another device seeing as how difficult it is to work with. I have faith in the devs here with the dx2 in a matter of time they'll get it running sum sweetness.
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I concur. Look at Nitro. He's moved on with a different Moto device yet he still updates the Eclipse ROM for us. Heck, he's juggling Eclipse for three phones.
There's dev love for the X2.
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How in the world can you say that there is no development for this phone? Yes, it's been slow, and yes, not a lot are on it. But the ones who are (definitely myself included) are hard at work trying to get this thing going.
Read the development forums. I have at least two [REF] posts in there that explain a lot of the work I've been doing. In fact the one about CM7 needs another update. I update my twitter before I update that though. It's @dragonzkiller. Even if you don't have an account just look me up and you can see that I've been making a lot of progress with CM7. That, sir, is dev love.
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How in the world can you say that there is no development for this phone? Yes, it's been slow, and yes, not a lot are on it. But the ones who are (definitely myself included) are hard at work trying to get this thing going.
Read the development forums. I have at least two [REF] posts in there that explain a lot of the work I've been doing. In fact the one about CM7 needs another update. I update my twitter before I update that though. It's @dragonzkiller. Even if you don't have an account just look me up and you can see that I've been making a lot of progress with CM7. That, sir, is dev love.
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Sic em boy!!! ARF ARF GGRRRRR....LOL j/k
Your work is GREATLY appreciated by those of us who know what's going on
Thanks for all the insane amount of time you put into this....(and everyone else to!)
Thanks for me filling me in; didn't realize that having root and unlocking the boot loader were different. I wasn't hating on the devs when I said there was no love; there is plenty of it, it's just that X2 ROMs never seem to play nice, and low RAM doesn't help an often slow and buggy UI.
I consider myself a ROM junkie and am running RazrX 1.1 now. But I don't want to give up my Razr for the Nexus or whatever. I have gotten so bored from waiting around that I resorted to dicking around on my GFs Sensation.
Bootloaders are a *****, aren't they? I hear the Sensation has a pretty good ICS port going.
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Bootloaders are a *****, aren't they? I hear the Sensation has a pretty good ICS port going.
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I love this phone, but it's really testing my patience. And they do, it's pretty awesome. And she doesn't know what I am doing, so I can really get ballsy.
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Can totally relate. As you can tell from my device history, I'm used to flashing something new every other week, or at least milking my device for the best possible performance.
I'm actually more of a fan of custom kernels than ROMs, since there's so much kanging and "speed improvements"/"custom scripts"/buzzword featurelist nonimprovements that a lot of new-to-new-ish ROM chefs will include without necessarily knowing what they actually do, if anything. Kernel developers tend to have a bit more of a handle on what's actually going on at both hardware and software levels by sheer necessity.
No discredit to ROM chefs, have the utmost respect for people putting their hard work out there, it's just personal preference. I can just accomplish most of what I want on rooted, deodexed stock - or CM and MIUI are good options. So yeah, that bootloader bothers me a lot, I'd honestly expected it to be unlocked by now.
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hey guys
if you want ics ports for eris, let me know. i can have ParanoidAndroid, MIUI 4.0.4, CM9 and AOKP for you guys very quickly, actually the roms are already done just need testers.
But if nobody is interested or around to use them, i wont spend the time bringing them and supporting them.
weigh in on this please
Hmm. I haven't really tried anything other than Gingerbread on my Eris 'cause it was already having a bit of bricking trouble on it's lonesome. You said you need testers.. Have you tried them out at all? I had trouble here and there running ICS on my Droid 2 Global and my Droid 3, so I wouldn't even really know where to begin wondering the plethora of issues it could have on an Eris. :Va
I guess I'm on the fence. :]
i dont have an eris so i cant test anything out
the eris, hero and heroc are so much alike though that im positive i can cook my heroc ics roms for eris though.
Yea! I can test everything that doesnt require me to activate it
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Yea! I can test everything that doesnt require me to activate it
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Same here
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Ditto, I use my eris for fun.
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I have an activated Eris and I'd be interested in testing any and all ICS (or Jellybean) ports. And I do mean All. I enjoy testing things thoroughly (usually software under Windows) anyway and comparing their ups and downs.
tee hee
I wouldn't mind testing things out without activation, as it is currently my little gaming device, but if something needs radio I might be persuaded to make it happen. :]
I have 2 eris's one activated one not. I can do all kinds of testing .
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I also Have an Eris i'm toying around with. I would be glad to test anything. Just got it as a backup from my bro. Still working on S-OFF but will test anything once I have it.