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Between the schedule posted on their website still showing the same old news and their $100 offer, I don't believe they have any intention of upgrading the Atrix or the Photon. The Atrix is now two generations old and the Photon also has a successor, so I don't think they have any incentive to upgrade them; too much time has gone by.
I believe that is the reason why they even mentioned the $100 offer. It means they already have a plan in place. They want people to upgrade and not keep their current devices.
I understand the business policy but as a customer, the policy doesn't appeal to me; it just screws us as customers. My contract is up in December and come January, I will upgrade. Just not with Motorola.
In any case, the Note II is very tempting to me. Moto doesn't have anything in that size on Sprint, so there's no competition. But if Motorola did have something to go up against the Note, I would not choose Motorola again. It would take an outstanding phone (at the right time) to get me to choose Moto again.
Hence, I have given up hope that Moto will one day upgrade our phones to ICS/JB.
Anything else from now on will be a pleasant surprise.
There....I have made my peace, Motorola.
My theory is, if they update the Atrix, they'll update the Photon. If they don't update the Atrix, they won't update the photon. So if a soak or whatever doesn't start in the next two weeks, then give up hope. But as of now, Motorola hasn't broken their word. Also you could maybe have put this in a already existing ICS debate thread. God knows we have enough of these new threads and come October we might be seeing a whole lot more of em :/
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My theory is, if they update the Atrix, they'll update the Photon. If they don't update the Atrix, they won't update the photon. So if a soak or whatever doesn't start in the next two weeks, then give up hope. But as of now, Motorola hasn't broken their word. Also you could maybe have put this in a already existing ICS debate thread. God knows we have enough of these new threads and come October we might be seeing a whole lot more of em :/
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^ THIS
I have too say it will be a sad time for all of us if ICS doesn't cone to photon. Ifbao the most,if not all of us will take the upgrade. I for one really want the note 2 but wouldn't trade in my photon unless I absolutely had too.
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There might also be a slim glimmer of hope that they skip the ICS upgrade and go straight to JB. These phones are more than capable of running JB and the jump from Gingerbread to ICS is a much larger jump than ICS to JB. So only time will tell. There are various posts saying that all 2011 phones that will be upgraded to JB will have it before the year is up. So its all rumors and speculation at this time but hey, one can be optimistic right?
I will add this - at least Motorola has the excuse of being a money-losing company that had the distraction of being acquired by Google over the last year. And they are at least offering a mea culpa and promising to update all phones released since 2011 that will handle JB or give customers $100 toward a new phone. Samsung made $4 billion dollars and has still not updated the Galaxy S2 to ICS and in my mind they have no excuse. It doesn't have merit as far as I am concerned for these companies to simply say "we have to concentrate on development for new phones and can't spend resources on older models" because, first of all, we are stuck in two year contracts, not by choice but because that's the business model we're stuck with (I know pre-paid is getting better but is not quite there yet for my needs). Secondly, if they drop support the second we buy their products what reason do we have for purchasing another phone from them when our 20 months are up and we're ready to upgrade? The business case is there for manufacturers to support older models for much longer than three months especially if the carriers are so entrenched with their beloved two year contracts. A year old phone is not ancient. The Photon has a dual core processor, etc. and is just handicapped by GB. I will also add this: Apple supports phones for years with iOS updates, they bypass the carriers on the updates and they simply pare down the features that the older phones don't support. I had an old iPhone 3G and I remember how much iOS 4 slowed it down when it was first released. To Apple's credit they could have simply said it couldn't handle iOS 4 and dropped support for it but they didn't. And no phone manufacturer is more profitable than Apple. So, yes, I, too am disgusted at how long it has taken to get ICS or JB on my Photon but I am even more disgusted with Samsung who clearly have the resources to keep their phones up to date and do not.
I would also like to know why the GS2 is still being sold in spite of the fact it's a WiMax device but the Photon was pulled prematurely because Sprint was phasing out WiMax devices. AT&T has gotten the Atrix HD, Verizon of course gets the latest and greatest from Motorola and all Sprint gets is a throwback to keyboard slider phones with qHD resolution. Sprint and Motorola don't seem to get along very well.
I'm done with Motorola even if we do get jelly sandwich. It just isn't right. My next phone won't be a Motorola phone.
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There might also be a slim glimmer of hope that they skip the ICS upgrade and go straight to JB. These phones are more than capable of running JB and the jump from Gingerbread to ICS is a much larger jump than ICS to JB. So only time will tell. There are various posts saying that all 2011 phones that will be upgraded to JB will have it before the year is up. So its all rumors and speculation at this time but hey, one can be optimistic right?
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No, it's obvious they are just skipping ICS & JB to provide us with Key Lime Pie
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And they are at least offering a mea culpa and promising to update all phones released since 2011 that will handle JB or give customers $100 toward a new phone.
Samsung made $4 billion dollars and has still not updated the Galaxy S2 to ICS and in my mind they have no excuse.
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First of all that is a BS offer. The $100 is towards a new upgrade and we have to turn in our phones. We can get more than that on CL. $100 is the least we can expect to get for a Photon.
Second of all, Samsung upgraded the GSII to ICS way back in March.
Its only here, in the US that the carriers f#%k it up. So blame the US carriers, not Samsung.
ICS for the GSII was available in Europe and most parts of the world a long time ago. In fact T-Mobile GSII got the update in June. And now there are reports of the GSII getting the JB update soon.
More importantly, resources are available for proper development of after-market custom ROMs for the Galaxy phones. We don't have that for the Photon/Atrix/_____ from Motorola/Nvidia.
So how is Samsung worse?
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"Samsung made $4 billion dollars and has still not updated the Galaxy S2 to ICS and in my mind they have no excuse."
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Seriously?
All SII's are running ICS long ago and soon Jelly Bean.
And On Behalf Of my wife who has the photon, a big FU to Motorola.
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We should let Motorola know how we feel about their OS update policy, but I guess we are not too many Photon users... How about the Atrix users? Aren't they a lot of people?
You are right..... Motorola should know about this.... as they are not updatng.....n also not unlockng bootloader of...photon....
I am stuck to 2.3.5...
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Seriously?
All SII's are running ICS long ago and soon Jelly Bean.
And On Behalf Of my wife who has the photon, a big FU to Motorola.
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I don't disagree that we have every reason to be disgusted with how long we've had to wait for ICS on the Photon - I said as much. I think my point is valid, however, that Samsung is in a much better position than Motorola has been over the last 12-18 months clearly. Samsung is printing money and apparently have a much better relationship with Sprint. Great, there are leaks of ICS Roms out there for the GS2, but just as many officially released ICS or JB Roms for the Sprint (or Verizon) GS2 as there are for the Photon. Motorola has released a schedule stating they would release ICS as early as next month, same as Samsung. Do I think Sprint is to blame in all this as well? Absolutely. All the carriers are. How does Apple manage to release iOS updates without carrier approval and in a timely manner but Samsung and Motorola do not? Why does the iPhone 3GS have the latest version of iOS but the Epic 4G runs Gingerbread and always will (and Droid phones on Verizon as well)? We are fooling ourselves if we think Samsung is doing any better than the others save Apple. Custom Roms are custom roms and so are leaks. They aren't fully functioning, officially supported firmwares for our phones. So my discussion is not about what third party or ported leaks are out there. It's about the manufacturers supporting the phones through the carriers in the same environment that Apple functions in, but somehow does a better job.
I am not a Samsung basher. My wife and I just bought GS3's (she's on AT&T and OMG the speeds are fast) this past weekend because I gave up on ICS for the Photon, wanted LTE capability and didn't like the iPhone 5 still having 16GB in the base model and no SD card. I also think the screen is too small. I think it is a fantastically engineered phone with better build quality than any other phone - it just doesn't suit my needs. The Photon Q is a step backwards, I think. Who wants a clunky keyboard slider with qHD resolution? I went in with eyes open, though. I figure I'll get JB on my GS3 and any other updates after that will be gravy with no expectations on my part that it will ever get another update. In my mind my only other choice was the HTC EVO LTE and I just felt like as poorly as it was selling that I would be jumping into the same situation I had with the Photon - great phone but no support due to slow sales, etc.
I do think Google wants to make Motorola set the example for the other manufacturers and going forward I really expect Motorola to provide much more timely updates for their phones. Maybe I was snowed by the speech their new CEO gave at the RAZR HD unveiling but it felt like they had a new attitude. They have already released phones with unlockable bootloaders and developer editions and that is a major shift in philosophy for them. They do make high quality phones. If this new guy takes them in the direction I think he is then I think Motorola is going to have some really good phones going forward.
That's just my take on things and my opinion. I don't work for Apple, Motorola, Google or Samsung. I have no proprietary interest in any of this. I'm not posting this to argue or flame anyone - just joining the discussion and pointing out some things that I think are/were missed in the discussion.
I like what you wrote. But I disagree in one point. Everyone thinks how GS3 is a step forward and Photon Q and other new dual core phones, is a step backward.
GS3 is quad core, but it's a placebo. No new technology. Just the same cores made a little smaller, so there could be a place for four of them.
Photon Q is dual core with latest CortexA15 cores and the same speed (and more in some operations) as GS3, with reduced power consumption. You cannot write, it's a step backward.
But it's not phone for everyone, because of the keyboard.
I am not sure about the display, but I read, that displays with colorboost are compared to IPhone. And me personally, I would abandon whole amoled technology. I want more phones with LCD displays.
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I don't disagree that we have every reason to be disgusted with how long we've had to wait for ICS on the Photon - I said as much. I think my point is valid, however, that Samsung is in a much better position than Motorola has been over the last 12-18 months clearly. Samsung is printing money and apparently have a much better relationship with Sprint. Motorola has released a schedule stating they would release ICS as early as next month, same as Samsung. Do I think Sprint is to blame in all this as well? Absolutely. All the carriers are. How does Apple manage to release iOS updates without carrier approval and in a timely manner but Samsung and Motorola do not? Why does the iPhone 3GS have the latest version of iOS but the Epic 4G runs Gingerbread and always will (and Droid phones on Verizon as well)? We are fooling ourselves if we think Samsung is doing any better than the others save Apple.
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I believe you missed my post (at least that's what it seems to me).
Samsung's official ICS update for the GS II came out in March! Nearly half a year ago!
If Samsung can take the code, slap TW on it, test it and release it all over the world within 4 months of ICS release, what do you think is holding up the update in the US?
Its the carriers in the US who muck it up for the manufacturers.
Sprint, Sprint and solely Sprint is responsible for the updates on our phones. They make the calls and dictate terms to manufacturers.
The US mobile network companies are the reason. They have sole control over which phones are allowed to run on their network. If the manufacturers don't comply, they don't get to sell their phones on that network. Apple is the only one who has the power to command the networks to do as it wishes. No one else has that power; it took Samsung years to even get them to sell an unmodified version of its GS III flagship.
Is Samsung perfect, No. But it definitely has improved over the years.
Heck Google/Samsung update the Galaxy Nexus a while ago; but Verizon and Sprint didn't send out the updates until last week.
Whose fault is that?
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I believe you missed my post (at least that's what it seems to me).
Samsung's official ICS update for the GS II came out in March! Nearly half a year ago!
If Samsung can take the code, slap TW on it, test it and release it all over the world within 4 months of ICS release, what do you think is holding up the update in the US?
Its the carriers in the US who muck it up for the manufacturers.
Sprint, Sprint and solely Sprint is responsible for the updates on our phones. They make the calls and dictate terms to manufacturers.
The US mobile network companies are the reason. They have sole control over which phones are allowed to run on their network. If the manufacturers don't comply, they don't get to sell their phones on that network. Apple is the only one who has the power to command the networks to do as it wishes. No one else has that power; it took Samsung years to even get them to sell an unmodified version of its GS III flagship.
Is Samsung perfect, No. But it definitely has improved over the years.
Heck Google/Samsung update the Galaxy Nexus a while ago; but Verizon and Sprint didn't send out the updates until last week.
Whose fault is that?
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I saw that there was a leak for European GS2's but is there an official Sprint or Verizon firmware available anywhere? Did it bomb WiMax loading it? I think we're saying some of the same things. The carriers love their two year contracts but then make you use an outdated phone for the last 20 months of it because they don't want to release updates. Totally agreed on that. I'm a little incredulous that Sprint has sat on an update for six months but I know they like to sit on updates. I have a wifi Xoom and got ICS for it in late March (and JB a month ago) and I know Verizon just released ICS for their Xoom not that long ago so maybe Sprint has sat on it.
I don't like how locked down Motorola keeps their bootloaders (but I think that was Sanjay's thing) and slipping a fix in to the 2.3.5 update was equally $hitty.
I have a GS3 now so hopefully Samsung does keep it up to date. I'll still go back and try out my Photon if they ever get ICS released for it. I'll add one more thing and I can say this pretty confidently after spending a lot of time with both - I think Motorola has done a fantastic job with their implementation of ICS versus Samsung with their TW ICS. My wife had the Atrix HD for a week before returning it (lousy camera - everything else was nice) and I loved the OS on it. I think TW is fugly. I installed Nova and Apex launchers and settled on Nova. Disabled S Voice in favor of Google. I'm hoping they go closer to stock for JB. I got off topic but my point is that Motorola is doing some good things with their phones. They didn't bring one to Sprint soon enough for me to buy one again but in spite of all the BS we've put up with our Photons, I think they're on the right track.
It looks like the official ICS for the GS2 came out 7/12:
http://community.sprint.com/baw/com.../12/07/samsung-epic-touch-4g-software-updates
So I would say still not impressive for Sprint/Samsung (better than Moto but still 8 months after it was released).
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I don't disagree that we have every reason to be disgusted with how long we've had to wait for ICS on the Photon - I said as much. I think my point is valid, however, that Samsung is in a much better position than Motorola has been over the last 12-18 months clearly. Samsung is printing money and apparently have a much better relationship with Sprint. Great, there are leaks of ICS Roms out there for the GS2, but just as many officially released ICS or JB Roms for the Sprint (or Verizon) GS2 as there are for the Photon. Motorola has released a schedule stating they would release ICS as early as next month, same as Samsung. Do I think Sprint is to blame in all this as well? Absolutely. All the carriers are. How does Apple manage to release iOS updates without carrier approval and in a timely manner but Samsung and Motorola do not? Why does the iPhone 3GS have the latest version of iOS but the Epic 4G runs Gingerbread and always will (and Droid phones on Verizon as well)? We are fooling ourselves if we think Samsung is doing any better than the others save Apple. Custom Roms are custom roms and so are leaks. They aren't fully functioning, officially supported firmwares for our phones. So my discussion is not about what third party or ported leaks are out there. It's about the manufacturers supporting the phones through the carriers in the same environment that Apple functions in, but somehow does a better job.
I am not a Samsung basher. My wife and I just bought GS3's (she's on AT&T and OMG the speeds are fast) this past weekend because I gave up on ICS for the Photon, wanted LTE capability and didn't like the iPhone 5 still having 16GB in the base model and no SD card. I also think the screen is too small. I think it is a fantastically engineered phone with better build quality than any other phone - it just doesn't suit my needs. The Photon Q is a step backwards, I think. Who wants a clunky keyboard slider with qHD resolution? I went in with eyes open, though. I figure I'll get JB on my GS3 and any other updates after that will be gravy with no expectations on my part that it will ever get another update. In my mind my only other choice was the HTC EVO LTE and I just felt like as poorly as it was selling that I would be jumping into the same situation I had with the Photon - great phone but no support due to slow sales, etc.
I do think Google wants to make Motorola set the example for the other manufacturers and going forward I really expect Motorola to provide much more timely updates for their phones. Maybe I was snowed by the speech their new CEO gave at the RAZR HD unveiling but it felt like they had a new attitude. They have already released phones with unlockable bootloaders and developer editions and that is a major shift in philosophy for them. They do make high quality phones. If this new guy takes them in the direction I think he is then I think Motorola is going to have some really good phones going forward.
That's just my take on things and my opinion. I don't work for Apple, Motorola, Google or Samsung. I have no proprietary interest in any of this. I'm not posting this to argue or flame anyone - just joining the discussion and pointing out some things that I think are/were missed in the discussion.
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I own an Epic 4G Touch Galaxy S2 and ICS has been officially released by July 2012 current official release Build FH13 4.0.4. And Tmo and ATT variants 2 weeks earlier than the E4GT Android 4.0.3. And JB for SGSII International start roll out by end of this year Officially announced by Sammy, US variants Q1 2013. I won't hold my breath on the latter
I always had trouble with Motorola since DROID X(milestone x) then Photon and finally gave up and pass it to my wife.
I agree with you in some parts about Sammy and Moto. But you keep saying SGSII did not have official ICS yet only leaks. :what:
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I agree, we won't be getting ics... only because we'll jump straight to jelly bean gotta have hope lol
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I feel the pain with no official ICS or JB, but my last Sammy (Epic 4G) had so-so reception and would drop/loose the signal much quicker than the Photon....actually my Photon DOESN'T loose a signal. My wife's Galaxy Nexus on Verizon doesn't hold on or switch as gracefully between 3G/4G/WiFi as the Photon, the radio is still a 1/2 step or so behind the Motorola radio. Unfortunately, I need to pick signal and the ability to use my phone over the OS version, so the Samsungs are out until they come up with a radio equal to (or better) than what Morotola uses.
Seems on CDMA the customers are stuck behind the rock and a hard place. I switched from At&t to Spring a couple years ago and the number of dropped calls practically dropped to zero. (I had a Blackberry on Att, btw, so it wasn't the phone....this was in their heyday as well). I'm elligible for an upgrade, but there isn't anyting worthy of replacing my Photon. If they ever fix the 4G unlock issue, I'm so going to Joker or Th3Bill's JB build.
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I agree, we won't be getting ics... only because we'll jump straight to jelly bean gotta have hope lol
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one can hope lol :good:
I'm done with Motorola even if we do get jelly sandwich. It just isn't right. My next phone won't be a Motorola phone.
If we look around on the net EVERYONE is piss off. NO ICS or JB at this point they will be coming out with Key Line soon and the Atrix and Photon just got thrown under the bus.
Very piss here, and now they will be giving 100 dollars, Oh please! Did anyone saw the form a mile long to see if you qualify for the discount.
This is my last moto, period.
So far, Motorola's best response to us betrayed Photon owners was that they would buy our devices back for $100. After my initial excitement of Motorola's unending generosity died down, I realized that $100 isn't so generous after all.
-- Sprint will give you $63 for your phone.
-- Samsung will give you $75 for your phone. samsungupgrade.com
-- HTC will give you $75 for your phone. htctradeup.com
-- As of 10/2 used Photons are selling on ebay in good condition for more than $100 (search past listings for Photon 4G)
Essentially, excluding what you can get if you go to the trouble of selling your Photon on ebay, Motorola is giving us an extra $25, since they are requiring us to send in a device that does have some value elsewhere. Is $25 enough for you to stay a Motorola customer? That is certainly up to you. But you should at least be aware that other major phone manufacturers are not far off, and may very well provide better support.
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So far, Motorola's best response to us betrayed Photon owners was that they would buy our devices back for $100. After my initial excitement of Motorola's unending generosity died down, I realized that $100 isn't so generous after all.
-- Sprint will give you $63 for your phone.
-- Samsung will give you $75 for your phone. samsungupgrade.com
-- HTC will give you $75 for your phone. htctradeup.com
-- As of 10/2 used Photons are selling on ebay in good condition for more than $100 (search past listings for Photon 4G)
Essentially, excluding what you can get if you go to the trouble of selling your Photon on ebay, Motorola is giving us an extra $25, since they are requiring us to send in a device that does have some value elsewhere. Is $25 enough for you to stay a Motorola customer? That is certainly up to you. But you should at least be aware that other major phone manufacturers are not far off, and may very well provide better support.
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Thanks for the info. If I stay with Android (in spite of horrendous fragmentation), I go back to HTC. If not Android, I'll reconsider WP8 (had used WinMo up until 1.5 years ago).
I love my Photon HW, so really a shame what Moto has done.
I called Sprint and walked into a store asking if the Motorola credit was offered on top of the $63 they give you. They said they are not aware of any Motorola credit.
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refer them to this: https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/ci/documents/detail/2/motorola-jelly-bean-rebate_en-US
Is it even a credit?
I don't know if getting your rebate is contingent on it or not but on the website they bring up "If your phone is not updated to Jelly Bean we don't want you to miss out." Does this mean that they won't give the rebate if they do update your phone to JB?? Not sure, but I'd watch how they word their rebate contingencies.
It also requires you to purchase, or upgrade to another Motorola. So it's not really a credit, lol. You have to give up your phone, PLUS get another moto device, just to be eligible. I'll never go back to moto simply because they've started doing the stupidest thing ever and designed all they're new phones with built in batteries, my arch nemesis!! lol. They can keep they're money, and I'll keep my atrix.
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Agreed ...
It's not 100$ credit but they are actually making you to spend another/more bucks for upgrade ... why we upgrade if they failed to update
I've bought few months back then why i upgrade and spend more bucks for the same failed brand ...
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Could somebody copypasta this info into the Official Support My Moto Campaign Thread? I've been at it for almost 20hrs and am really starting to pay for it.
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Could somebody copypasta this info into the Official Support My Moto Campaign Thread? I've been at it for almost 20hrs and am really starting to pay for it.
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As requested, I have copy and pasted it.
I'm probably switching carriers, and probably going to get another Moto device. I love the radio/antenna/whatever it is that helps with reception, and the feel and build quality. I'm loving the way the droid razr maxx hd looks. I'm loving the other carrier at the moment. I know they screwed us on the Photon, but for the new phones they already seem to be doing better. Samsung took over a year to upgrade Epic 4g to gingerbread. They appear to have learned from that as the galaxy s3 looks to be getting JB before too long. Moto upgraded the Razr to ICS a couple months ago, and the Razrs are all supposed to get JB by the end of the year. The Photon Q is one of the three phones on the first round of devices that get officially unlocked bootloaders. You have to go to a website and enter a device ID to get the files, or something like that. But it has the unlockable bootloader like the developer edition. I know VZ hates unlocked bootloaders, but other than the RAZR maxx, I'll be looking at the next nexus devices. I don't dev much anyway. I have always like stock kernels with custom ROMs. They have always seemed more stable to me anyway.
I guess my point is this bad experience isn't enough for me to give up on Moto, because I'm not willing to go back to flimsy loss of signal phones, and I think in the future they'll be better. Just takes some time for them to get their crap together with the problems and then the Google purchase.
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I'm probably switching carriers, and probably going to get another Moto device. I love the radio/antenna/whatever it is that helps with reception, and the feel and build quality. I'm loving the way the droid razr maxx hd looks. I'm loving the other carrier at the moment. I know they screwed us on the Photon, but for the new phones they already seem to be doing better. Samsung took over a year to upgrade Epic 4g to gingerbread. They appear to have learned from that as the galaxy s3 looks to be getting JB before too long. Moto upgraded the Razr to ICS a couple months ago, and the Razrs are all supposed to get JB by the end of the year. The Photon Q is one of the three phones on the first round of devices that get officially unlocked bootloaders. You have to go to a website and enter a device ID to get the files, or something like that. But it has the unlockable bootloader like the developer edition. I know VZ hates unlocked bootloaders, but other than the RAZR maxx, I'll be looking at the next nexus devices. I don't dev much anyway. I have always like stock kernels with custom ROMs. They have always seemed more stable to me anyway.
I guess my point is this bad experience isn't enough for me to give up on Moto, because I'm not willing to go back to flimsy loss of signal phones, and I think in the future they'll be better. Just takes some time for them to get their crap together with the problems and then the Google purchase.
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Unfortunately for Sprint users many of your pluses don't apply. I haven't had a good signal in at least 4 months. I keep hearing the wonderful line "we're doing networks upgrades so there's nothing we can do ". The other day it took 7 minutes to make a phone call when I had a strong signal showing.
In addition to that the photon is now 2 OS upgrades behind. Many of us purchased a Motorola phone because of the promised upgrades. Piss poor customer service makes many of us quite hostile and unwilling to forgive the lies.
I guess I didn't realize that you had to turn your phone in to get the $100. That is pretty worthless then.
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I called Sprint and walked into a store asking if the Motorola credit was offered on top of the $63 they give you. They said they are not aware of any Motorola credit.
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Sprint wouldn't be. It's not a Motorola credit, it's a Verizon credit.
To qualify, you have to trade in your phone, as others have said... and you have to buy a Verizon-exclusive Motorola smartphone. The plan will be fully realized by the end of the month -- it is not currently available in any case. But I imagine it will actually be done through Verizon. That is, you sign up for service, buy the phone, and Verizon gives you the Motorola form, and you mail in your proof of purchase, the barcode from the phone box with ESN/IMEI, and your Photon/Atrix/Electrify, and Motorola mails you $100 (in the form of a Visa/MC gift card with nasty fees of course!). US Cellular does a similar song and dance with its rebates. BTW, US Cellular has a standard rebate of $100 off a new smartphone. This can vary but that's the usual amount. Although their advertised prices are minus this rebate, so you pay the advertised price plus $100 up front and get the $100 in two months. I was lucky and got an instant rebate sale -- Electrify for $150 out the door. At tax time. Yeah, I scored. :victory:
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Sprint wouldn't be. It's not a Motorola credit, it's a Verizon credit.
To qualify, you have to trade in your phone, as others have said... and you have to buy a Verizon-exclusive Motorola smartphone. The plan will be fully realized by the end of the month -- it is not currently available in any case. But I imagine it will actually be done through Verizon. That is, you sign up for service, buy the phone, and Verizon gives you the Motorola form, and you mail in your proof of purchase, the barcode from the phone box with ESN/IMEI, and your Photon/Atrix/Electrify, and Motorola mails you $100 (in the form of a Visa/MC gift card with nasty fees of course!). US Cellular does a similar song and dance with its rebates. BTW, US Cellular has a standard rebate of $100 off a new smartphone. This can vary but that's the usual amount. Although their advertised prices are minus this rebate, so you pay the advertised price plus $100 up front and get the $100 in two months. I was lucky and got an instant rebate sale -- Electrify for $150 out the door. At tax time. Yeah, I scored. :victory:
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I really need verification on this! If anybody has a PDF or screencap PM me. If this is true then we may be able to step things up a bit.
Hello,
I got absurdly lucky and sold my Photon for $250. I included a 32gb SD Card, and Otterbox Defender. I still cannot believe I got that as Sprint offered me $67 for it. I am still so pissed about ICS as I actually was going to hold on to the phone even though I purchased an iPhone 5.
Cheers,
JJ
Guys
After reading the ridiculous statement from Motorola that neglecting some phones will help Motorola for its future commitments, i do believe that if moto cannot keep its promise why do we...?
Why not abandon Motorola before they kick on our a$$...
I mean if we totally oppose Motorola by closing down its all product supporting forum for other phones ... by this way people won't go for Motorola phones, seeing less possibilities. By making custom roms we are indirectly supporting it's products selling ...
Is it possible? I'm asking this because it seems like they really don't care about us... Google has just bought Motorola and now they have started showing their a$$ to us.
What you guys think?
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matriX1218 said:
Guys
After reading the ridiculous statement from Motorola that neglecting some phones will help Motorola for its future commitments, i do believe that if moto cannot keep its promise why do we...?
Why not abandon Motorola before they kick on our a$$...
I mean if we totally oppose Motorola by closing down its all product supporting forum for other phones ... by this way people won't go for Motorola phones, seeing less possibilities. By making custom roms we are indirectly supporting it's products selling ...
Is it possible? I'm asking this because it seems like they really don't care about us... Google has just bought Motorola and now they have started showing their a$$ to us.
What you guys think?
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So... what youre saying... Is you want xda to close the forums of every mototola product? The best way anyone can help right now is by showing your support for the updatemymoto campaign by spreading the info out to as many social networking sites as possible and informing as many blogs and tech news sites as you can in hopes we get additional coverage.
But have you read what Motorola replied ...
I'm talking about new products which moto is going to launch ... why support their new products?
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One more thing...
How many members are we having at xda? And how many signups / votes we got? Simply count that...
Nobody is going to bother about this unless they are getting their resources without any efforts ... so i do believe that its important ...
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xda is not supporting motorola, they are supporting phone owners. Abandoning phone owners will not get back at motorola. That would only benefit motorola/sprint by keeping users within a "walled garden" of stock, unrooted software and forcing users into costly upgrades (monetization) for the latest software.
If you want to get back at motorola, and other phone/wireless companies, than dont give them any more money by keeping your phone, and get off contract (prepaid). Without a 2yr agreement, you have freedom and control.
I think this is the only option left with us....
Good bye motorola...
No more motorola...
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It seems like the best way to make Motorola suffer would be continued XDA support for Motorola devices. If people keep their devices longer that means those people aren't buying new Motorola devices. That would be the best way to hurt Motorola.
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It seems like the best way to make Motorola suffer would be continued XDA support for Motorola devices. If people keep their devices longer that means those people aren't buying new Motorola devices. That would be the best way to hurt Motorola.
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Brother,
I'm saying this only...
Why we support their new devices... If support new devices, people will see the possibilities and might go for new motorola devices...
Less Possibilities means Less Sales...
Give it some time as both the "Support My Moto" and "Update My Moto" campaigns are only a couple days old. With the cnet coverage of the campaigns it's now spreading across multiple site and blogs. Like I said in another thread;
Moto is getting a ton of bad press over this and somewhere in a dark corner a marketing VP, accountant and investors are crying.
If you are going to abandon Moto, still file the complaints and sign the petitions via supportmymoto.com then share the *&#% out of it. This way it's double damage for Moto. If Moto won't negotiate with us and a quarter of the affected owners worldwide walk away, think lots of $$$$$$$$$$$ in loss. Moto would have a very hard time recovering from that and except for the patents, Google just lost their investment. There are also other aspects of this that I will not go into publicly.
Another reason why this could be very bad for Moto is most of the world doesn't have subsidized phones. That $549 price tag is what you actually pay. Imagine how they feel and what will happen when they really start to jump on board.
Thanks for the explanation...
I'm not going to abandon moto right now.... I've already filed complaint... So nothing to worry for me..
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Just for laughs. (actually this is an issue but it's still funny)
Am I the only one who is nonplussed about ICS? Sure, I'm bummed, I mean we've been strung on for so long with the carrot at the end of the stick.
But I know even running CM7, my photon can still kick some serious butt. It's a rock solid, powerful phone, that has done everything I have thrown at it.
Will I get another Motorola Phone? Probably not. (the only chance of me looking at one is if it is a thoroughbred Nexus)
Does that make me hate the phone I have now?
Not a chance.
Please don't get me wrong, I am supporting the campaigns to get ICS wholeheartedly, I guess I just don't have the same rage as the rest of us here.
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I strongly believe that Motorola has best hardware but it seems like they don't know how to code....
I've never ever used any other phone except motorola but I think I'll never ever use motorola....
The day they'll know this I bet motorola will beat the apple...
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It seems like the best way to make Motorola suffer would be continued XDA support for Motorola devices. If people keep their devices longer that means those people aren't buying new Motorola devices. That would be the best way to hurt Motorola.
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You're on the right track. The best way to hurt a company is to not buy their product, or buy into their ecosystem. For your next phone, buy a used phone (meet the buyer at the carrier so you don't get stuck with a bad ESN because some loser skipped out on the bill). Buy your apps from Amazon (ugh!) or stick with free apps (Google takes a cut off Google Play). Put no money towards Google or Motorola. You can use their products as long as none of your money goes to them.
What y'all have to remember is that we are not Motorola's customers. You could make a case for yourself if you bought an official Motorola accessory, but you still don't matter as you are nonconsequential compared to the larger picture. Motorola's customers are cell carriers. All of them.
Does this look like a bleak outlook? It's not. There is one cell carrier that is willing to tell cell manufacturers to f*** off. US Cellular. When Sprint asked Motorola to lock the Photon's bootloader, Motorola capitulated with nary a whisper because Sprint is one of Motorola's biggest customers. When Apple asked US Cellular to promote the iPhone 4S over all other phones, meet their ridiculous quota, and sell the iPhone 4S with such a tiny profit margin that they'd barely be able to keep stores open, US Cellular told them to pound sand.
If you want to hurt Motorola, shouldn't we be targeting US Cellular? What if US Cellular told Motorola to pound sand. Said #MotoNoMore? It's a long shot, but US Cellular recently changed thier slogan from "Believe in something better" to "Hello better", and they also use the slogan "Goodbye neglect. Hello respect." So, given the latter, shouldn't they be saying goodbye to Motorola? And they might as well. In February, when I got my Electrify, the Electrify was the first and only Android phone by Motorola. Now they have the Defy (I have no idea but it's a cheap phone) and the Electrify 2 (Atrix HD). Electrify 2 is crap. Electrify on CM9 running Joker's 1.3 kernel outclasses it, beating its CPU by 8% (it's a 1.2GHz dual core). What if they told Motorola to take them back and not contact them again, and started offering Electrify customers a cheap upgrade to a better, non-Motorola phone... like the Galaxy S3 or Note 2? I highly doubt it, but what if? That would hurt Motorola more than *anything* we could do.
Anyway, that's just a wild idea. I don't think US Cellular cares quite as much as they let on. But hey, if they did that, wouldn't it be awesome?
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Am I the only one who is nonplussed about ICS? Sure, I'm bummed, I mean we've been strung on for so long with the carrot at the end of the stick.
But I know even running CM7, my photon can still kick some serious butt. It's a rock solid, powerful phone, that has done everything I have thrown at it.
Will I get another Motorola Phone? Probably not. (the only chance of me looking at one is if it is a thoroughbred Nexus)
Does that make me hate the phone I have now?
Not a chance.
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It's not losing out on an official ICS release that creates the resentment. At least not for me. I agree with you, I love my photon even without ICS or JB. For me the "rage" comes from two fronts:
1. PRINCIPLE: Companies do not get to make publicized announcements regarding future plans for current products obviously geared toward marketing said products in the present, then renege on those plans once they feel marketing said products is no longer necessary. They must be held to some set of standards.
2. PROFITEERING: Motorola put in time and effort to actively lockout owners of these devices from community development thus theoretically ensuring these customers would be forced into purchasing new hardware if they wished to run the latest software, even though the current hardware was not outdated and would fully support the latest software.
It's mostly the second one that gets steam shooting out of my ears.
Stop buying anything motorola and they will go out of business.
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Agreed...
Say no to Motorola...
If they don't want to release ICS/JB, they are free to do so but they did totally malpractice... First they spread wrong information to general public about upgrade and cleared up all the stock of phones with free giveaway of car dock. When they are done, they screwed us...
They think they are smart enough but Motorola waste most of its precious time in security features and screwing customers....
They released 2.3.4, devs unlocked bootloader as well as rooted the phone..
They released 2.3.5 not for enhancements but to lock bootloader only... Intention is to stop people for making such things...
They forgot that the phone that can easily be unlocked and customized are the most successful ones and most sold ones too.... But Motorola has standards like screwing own loyal customers... If they don't follow this how can they be Motorola....
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I'm guessing it has something to do with them wanting to push the HTC phablet or having some sort of deal with HTC.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/6/3...s-invite-us-to-see-their-latest-collaboration
I think they want to release both phones at the same time. This is out of no where, but..... here's their motto for Christmas... "Large and in charge.."
Am I right?
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I'm guessing it has something to do with them wanting to push the HTC phablet or having some sort of deal with HTC.
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This could be true.
Speculation:
It seems that Verizon is punishing Samsung (and us) for not letting them have their way with the GSIII. In attempt to appease the people that really wanted the Note 2, Verizon threw us a bone by giving us the pre-order. While that is going on, Verizon stalled to let the DNA run through the FCC and get a little exclusive time on the shelves. This pushes average Joe to purchase the only [good] phablet on Verizon at the moment. After the DNA's exclusivity, then they will let Samsung sell its phone.
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I am assuming the DNA does actually get on the shelf before the GN2.
Yeah, a lot of assumptions. Also, keep in mind Verizon really loves crapping on HTC way more than on Samsung, so there's that.
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Yeah, a lot of assumptions. Also, keep in mind Verizon really loves crapping on HTC way more than on Samsung, so there's that.
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Curiosity, was there something in specific you were thinking of?
I honestly thing that Verizon dislikes(?) all manufacturers equally. I just believe that HTC is not in a position to resist the demands of Verizon. Look at HTC's earnings and tell me that they can afford to not bow down to the carriers demands. If it turns out there was a deal to shelf the GN2 until after the DNA, then it looks to me like Verizon is punishing Samsung and giving HTC a treat for being a good little doggy.
I saw this on Droid life, too
I also find it funny that this phone only has on VZW logo on it on the front, and not on the back. I guess they only brand the crap out of stuff that is available on all carriers, which does make sense from a deluded, out-of-touch, business marketing stand point.
Still though, I hate the fact that they are obviously trying to push their 'exclusive' device, mostly because of even money invested or because of a higher profitability making everyone else suffer.
They also have multiwindow ROM that should be released soon - making the wait for VZW seem even more ridiculous. Locked bootloader, branded home button, and a release date of almost 1 month later than the last company to release the phone.
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Curiosity, was there something in specific you were thinking of?
I honestly thing that Verizon dislikes(?) all manufacturers equally. I just believe that HTC is not in a position to resist the demands of Verizon. Look at HTC's earnings and tell me that they can afford to not bow down to the carriers demands. If it turns out there was a deal to shelf the GN2 until after the DNA, then it looks to me like Verizon is punishing Samsung and giving HTC a treat for being a good little doggy.
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Just felt that way traditionally, and probably as you said is mostly due to HTC's inability to really resist their demands. Was disappointed this year when HTC tried to simplify their lineup and got forced to make more carrier branded devices for Verizon. Mostly my feeling that HTC gets pushed around by Verizon too much goes back to wanting a Nexus One back in the day, and having it get delayed on Verizon then never released with HTC getting forced to retool it as the Incredible instead.
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Just felt that way traditionally, and probably as you said is mostly due to HTC's inability to really resist their demands. Was disappointed this year when HTC tried to simplify their lineup and got forced to make more carrier branded devices for Verizon. Mostly my feeling that HTC gets pushed around by Verizon too much goes back to wanting a Nexus One back in the day, and having it get delayed on Verizon then never released with HTC getting forced to retool it as the Incredible instead.
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So that is what happened to Verizon's Nexus... I would also like to point out that even Sprint even made HTC brand their One X as the Evo LTE. Personally I wish carriers would but out on the phone marketing and spend the money on beefing the networks. Or, get this, stop charging us an arm and a leg. Anyway, if Verizon choose to hold back the GN2, then I stand by my speculations.
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This could be true.
Speculation:
It seems that Verizon is punishing Samsung (and us) for not letting them have their way with the GSIII. In attempt to appease the people that really wanted the Note 2, Verizon threw us a bone by giving us the pre-order. While that is going on, Verizon stalled to let the DNA run through the FCC and get a little exclusive time on the shelves. This pushes average Joe to purchase the only [good] phablet on Verizon at the moment. After the DNA's exclusivity, then they will let Samsung sell its phone.
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I don't think Verizon is "punishing" Samsung for anything. There's a far more obvious, and business-oriented answer. When it comes to Android devices, Verizon likes to advertise their Droid line over non-Droid branded devices. With the Note 2, like the Galaxy S III, the device isn't a part of the Droid line, and more importantly it's not a Verizon exclusive. The Note 2, like the S III, is available (or will be available) on all major U.S. carriers. Verizon would rather market exclusive devices, because by marketing those, they're also marketing the fact that you have to be a Verizon customer. The same doesn't hold true if they heavily advertise or put a lot of emphasis behind devices that are available on every carrier.
So, is Verizon holding back the Note 2's release because of the DNA? That's very likely a part of it. But it's not because they're trying to punish anyone. They want to give their exclusive devices most of the exposure, along with a head start, because if someone wants of those, they have to be on Verizon. It just makes more business sense to put an emphasis on exclusive devices when it comes to marketing and release, especially when Samsung is already doing more marketing for the Note 2 than Verizon does for pretty much any device (as they also did with the S III).
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I don't think Verizon is "punishing" Samsung for anything. There's a far more obvious, and business-oriented answer. When it comes to Android devices, Verizon likes to advertise their Droid line over non-Droid branded devices. With the Note 2, like the Galaxy S III, the device isn't a part of the Droid line, and more importantly it's not a Verizon exclusive. Most importantly, the Note 2, like the S III, is available (or will be available) on all major U.S. carriers. Verizon would rather market exclusive devices, because by marketing those, they're also marketing the fact that you have to be a Verizon customer. The same doesn't hold true if they heavily advertise or put a lot of emphasis behind devices that are available on every carrier.
So, is Verizon holding back the Note 2's release because of the DNA? That's very likely a part of it. But it's not because they're trying to punish anyone. They want to give their exclusive devices most of the exposure, along with a head start, because if someone wants of those, they have to be on Verizon. It just makes more business sense to put an emphasis on exclusive devices when it comes to marketing and release, especially when Samsung is already doing more marketing for the Note 2 than Verizon does for pretty much any device (as they also did with the S III).
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Seems logical as since it is a 'exclusive' device I'm guessing they pay some sort of premium too, so my bet is they try harder to make sure these devices are profitable.
My guess is VZW is holding back Note2 for two reasons, the home button and the DNA. It seems like there has been a low stock in regards to the note 2, so I'm wondering if that was an issue with the delay too.
Anyways, this marketing approach sucks for us, as this type of marketing works on on consumers who really have no interest in a specific device. Those who know exactly what they want, are likely not to sway, mostly all of us on this board.
I also think that the commercials for the Note II are targeting the wrong demographic as well. Should be more of a high-end device that can be used for every day calendar things showing off the S pen. Basically it has a kid drawing on the damn phone. I know that is ATT/Samsung, but still. I wonder how VZW commercials will be.
I'm still praying the device will ship early, but I really doubt it. I was reading old posts and a few people were claiming after thanksgiving, maybe a week after... from an "insider." way before oct. 24th.
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I don't think Verizon is "punishing" Samsung for anything. There's a far more obvious, and business-oriented answer. When it comes to Android devices, Verizon likes to advertise their Droid line over non-Droid branded devices. With the Note 2, like the Galaxy S III, the device isn't a part of the Droid line, and more importantly it's not a Verizon exclusive. Most importantly, the Note 2, like the S III, is available (or will be available) on all major U.S. carriers. Verizon would rather market exclusive devices, because by marketing those, they're also marketing the fact that you have to be a Verizon customer. The same doesn't hold true if they heavily advertise or put a lot of emphasis behind devices that are available on every carrier.
So, is Verizon holding back the Note 2's release because of the DNA? That's very likely a part of it. But it's not because they're trying to punish anyone. They want to give their exclusive devices most of the exposure, along with a head start, because if someone wants of those, they have to be on Verizon. It just makes more business sense to put an emphasis on exclusive devices when it comes to marketing and release, especially when Samsung is already doing more marketing for the Note 2 than Verizon does for pretty much any device (as they also did with the S III).
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Your right, it is good business sense for Verizon to push their advertised Droids. I am not drawing my conclusions on Samsung being punished from this one incident. I believe this was Verizon's move in a power war between carriers and manufacturers. Like you said, the Droids are Verizon exclusives. Samsung started to build their brand with the Galaxy line and Verizon does not need competition to their exclusive. Since Verizon was not able to twist the widely popular GSIII to their liking, they choose to send Samsung a message through a popular but not "make you or break you" phone.
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Seems logical as since it is a 'exclusive' device I'm guessing they pay some sort of premium too, so my bet is they try harder to make sure these devices are profitable.
My guess is VZW is holding back Note2 for two reasons, the home button and the DNA. It seems like there has been a low stock in regards to the note 2, so I'm wondering if that was an issue with the delay too.
Anyways, this marketing approach sucks for us, as this type of marketing works on on consumers who really have no interest in a specific device. Those who know exactly what they want, are likely not to sway, mostly all of us on this board.
I also think that the commercials for the Note II are targeting the wrong demographic as well. Should be more of a high-end device that can be used for every day calendar things showing off the S pen. Basically it has a kid drawing on the damn phone. I know that is ATT/Samsung, but still. I wonder how VZW commercials will be.
I'm still praying the device will ship early, but I really doubt it. I was reading old posts and a few people were claiming after thanksgiving, maybe a week after... from an "insider." way before oct. 24th.
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I actually know plenty of people at my old job who let their kids draw on the device to keep them occupied. While I don't know which demographic would generate higher sales, I can say that their target exists.
Hopefully the whole exclusive devices idea will go the way of the dinosaur soon enough. I'm glad Samsung got their foot in the door this year on that one and hopefully it expands to other manufacturers. They're really only hurting themselves by raising costs, delaying releases, not carrying wanted devices...ah well.
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Your right, it is good business sense for Verizon to push their advertised Droids. I am not drawing my conclusions on Samsung being punished from this one incident. I believe this was Verizon's move in a power war between carriers and manufacturers. Like you said, the Droids are Verizon exclusives. Samsung started to build their brand with the Galaxy line and Verizon does not need competition to their exclusive. Since Verizon was not able to twist the widely popular GSIII to their liking, they choose to send Samsung a message through a popular but not "make you or break you" phone.
I actually know plenty of people at my old job who let their kids draw on the device to keep them occupied. While I don't know which demographic would generate higher sales, I can say that their target exists.
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Meh, it was more of a hit against getting an A-list celebrity to endorse the phone rather than show off the features of the phone. From the commercial all you really get is you can draw on pictures (who knows if this is an app or built-in? <-- saying from a potential viewer who has NO idea what the Note 2 is), it has a stylus, you can watch videos on it, and take phone calls. I really thought nothing of the Note 2 until I saw the review on youtube and features like multiwindow, etc. I think Samsung did great with the S3 commercials in comparison, that really took a hit at Apple and spouted off their features such as s-beam. I don't think you need A-list celebrities for these phones, rather just show off the features and why they are superior to other phones on the market, such as iP5. Like I said, I just think it shows how off marketing companies can be sometimes.
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Meh, it was more of a hit against getting an A-list celebrity to endorse the phone rather than show off the features of the phone. From the commercial all you really get is you can draw on pictures (who knows if this is an app or built-in? <-- saying from a potential viewer who has NO idea what the Note 2 is), it has a stylus, you can watch videos on it, and take phone calls. I really thought nothing of the Note 2 until I saw the review on youtube and features like multiwindow, etc. I think Samsung did great with the S3 commercials in comparison, that really took a hit at Apple and spouted off their features such as s-beam. I don't think you need A-list celebrities for these phones, rather just show off the features and why they are superior to other phones on the market, such as iP5. Like I said, I just think it shows how off marketing companies can be sometimes.
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Ah, gotcha. I do know that the SIII commercials worked because I heard people actually talk about them. Which I can't say that about Apple.
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Ah, gotcha. I do know that the SIII commercials worked because I heard people actually talk about them. Which I can't say that about Apple.
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Yeah, they should advertise how the phone won't dim when you are looking at it, and stuff like that. I got sold on the features... or the fact that is quite literally the fastest phone on the market with a huge battery. Maybe this type of marketing will work on a few people, but I think people are into this phone are going to buy it for the features and not because LeBron has the phone. This isn't a "cutesy" phone that someone like Justin Bieber will use and all the teens will buy because of that,
Maybe when I get mine, I'll be able to slam dunk like LeBron or make a video of me doing it. Computer generated of course.
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Maybe when I get mine, I'll be able to slam dunk like LeBron or make a video of me doing it. Computer generated of course.
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That is my bet why we had to wait so long. All people who buy this phone will be able to dunk like LeBron.
It would be amazing if the DNA came out before the Note 2, lol
I wonder if the note2 verizon brand can be scraped off with a razer blade. I'm sure gonna try
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I wonder if the note2 verizon brand can be scraped off with a razer blade. I'm sure gonna try
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Depending on how the logos are printed on the device, you might be able to use a pasty sugar water mix to gently remove the logos. The thought of using a razor blade on plastic kind of scares me.
I know the 6P won't be sold through the carriers, at least not right away. I'm a Tmo subscriber and I was a little disappointed at first but buying the phone and paying for it in full is always the best route.
With that being said are you with Tmo? What area of the country are you in? Having issues or are new services going live? Questions about service with past or the new nexus device? Let's keep each other updated with what's going on with our carrier.
I've had just about every nexus phone while on Tmo. I had spotty service for awhile but over the years service has gotten much better for me in the Orlando area. This past year I've seen almost all the 3g towers turn into LTE. I got to use HD voice for the first time on my nexus 6. VOLTE got turned on. Band 12 going live (although not in my area, I've used it in other FL markets) Going forward to the 6P are we going lose some of these? I've already seen a report that band 12 will not be unlocked at launch for our device. Will volte be available? HD voice? None of these are deal breakers but it would suck to have such a cutting edge device yet it can't access some basic phone functions. What are your thoughts/insight?
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when they see that sales are going down they will be dropping the price and eipin the phone just take a couple months
But i dont want to wait that long.. Ive saved my Jump and wanted the newest nexus again... Damn you
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But i dont want to wait that long.. Ive saved my Jump and wanted the newest nexus again... Damn you
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why even bother with the jump program? buy phone outright and sell old phone. no restrictions, change phones whenever you want and probably cheaper.
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why even bother with the jump program? buy phone outright and sell old phone. no restrictions, change phones whenever you want and probably cheaper.
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I'm not a fan of jump either however not everyone can afford the full price, some people are fortunate to be able to.
I guess it's kinda like leasing your car but of course a way lower price.
I love buying unlocked phones and now that tmobiles prices are so low it really works out
Even with the jump program you are paying full price for the phone. It just gives you the option to trade in without worrying about negative equity, like a car. But I guarantee you the first time you buy a new car cash you'll set yourself up for life to never have a car payment again, this is so much easier to do with a phone... So much easier.
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Even with the jump program you are paying full price for the phone. It just gives you the option to trade in without worrying about negative equity, like a car. But I guarantee you the first time you buy a new car cash you'll set yourself up for life to never have a car payment again, this is so much easier to do with a phone... So much easier.
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I think most people who get the jump program get it because they can't afford to pay the full price up front, even if they are paying the same in the end or maybe sometimes you pay more for a device when you could've gotten an unlocked device (same or better) for cheaper
I actually began my Nexus 6 purchase through finance. I figured hey, it's 0% who cares. I started to think of bills and life from a more DTI based perspective vs my older, borrow at low or no interest and invest to get more mindset.
Once you start paying off everything with a payment (no matter how low the interest) you start to have so much excess cash monthly that you realize WTF you've been doing wrong your whole life. It also makes it a lot easier to save and invest.
Anyway back on topic, I don't think carriers will be getting the 6P. But if anyone did, it would probably be T-Mobile
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if anyone did, it would probably be T-Mobile
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Since the thing will not be supporting band 12 on t-mobile, at least not right away, I'd think not.
Edit: Hah! Soon!
https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/3mzygu/google_nexus_team_ama_working_to_get_band_12/
Why pay full price for the phone? I have the original Jump program. So i pay $27/Month. In one year I paid $324 and traded the phone in for the next Nexus. I didnt have to shell out the full $650. I dont know but it works fine for me. Only phone i care about are the nexus devices. Its a Big deal when i can simply walk into the store hand them my old phone keep all my Chargers and accessories and walk out with a new phone paying only taxes..
I just pre-ordered one and I feel that Jump may not offer a good deal. I've been hearing a lot about Google Fi so that does seem like a better option overall. Also, you would lose out on the $50 play credit and three months of free Google Play Music unless you get it before Oct 25. I'll be using mine for T-Mobile and I'd only hold on ordering to look over reviews, but it's a Nexus device so it should be pretty solid. I agree with many in here that not everyone can pay full price, but with Jump you are still paying quite a bit of money. It's just better to buy it up front then sell the old phone after.
One of the things mentioned in the Reddit AMA today was they're attempting to work with TMobile on getting the Band 12 turned on prior to the device getting to everyone. So at least they're acknowledging the issue.
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They're not selling the Nexus 6P in U.S. carrier stores... So we don't have the option to use Jump! or Jump! On Demand. I have a Galaxy S6 on Jump! On Demand that I'm a few months into... I purchased a 6P outright and will use 1 of my 3 upgrades w/ T-Moible to go w/ something else, and not pay a dime at the store. I switch phones a TON so for me Jump! On Demand is awesome. I will say though, once I am done with this current EIP, I will try to stay with unlocked phones and just pay outright for them. My monthly bill will be a lot cheaper.
As far as the band 12 support; if they get it fixed by ship date, great. If not, oh well... I don't have access to band 12 where I am (Columbus, Ohio), so I'm not missing anything if they don't have it fixed. I'm sure when/if it gets activated here this will be fixed.
In the Reddit AMA;
They ignored every question about why they are not selling through US Carriers. This was the most commonly asked question.
I'm like thinking, that's one of the most important questions, why will this not be sold in U.S. Carrier stores ? Especially T-Mobile stores, as they have carried and stocked every single Nexus phone the past six years. I could see Verizon or ATT not selling it, but T-Mobile has been a big supporter of the Nexus phones, as far as carriers go.
So the Nexus 6P will be nowhere to be seen or played with in stores, you just have to hope you think you'll like it and order it online only ? That's crazy. I always want to hold it in hand, mess around it with it for 30 minutes in the store, really get a feel for the phone, before deciding.
Zorachus said:
In the Reddit AMA;
They ignored every question about why they are not selling through US Carriers. This was the most commonly asked question.
I'm like thinking, that's one of the most important questions, why will this not be sold in U.S. Carrier stores ? Especially T-Mobile stores, as they have carried and stocked every single Nexus phone the past six years. I could see Verizon or ATT not selling it, but T-Mobile has been a big supporter of the Nexus phones, as far as carriers go.
So the Nexus 6P will be nowhere to be seen or played with in stores, you just have to hope you think you'll like it and order it online only ? That's crazy. I always want to hold it in hand, mess around it with it for 30 minutes in the store, really get a feel for the phone, before deciding.
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I'm sure that They will be available at some point. Google has given exclusivity for the first couple months before, this time it's to themselves. Maybe they want to get the preorders out without a disaster like previous releases. On the bright side we get great pricing compared to the rest of the world
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Yeah, Rumor is they could offer them in stores later this month to avoid the instant rush of phone orders. They sell direct first then allow carries to carry a few models if wanted.
That Reddit AMA was filled with tons of questions asking about U.S. Carrier availability, and they didn't respond once.
Wonder if that got them thinking, hey maybe we should put this out to T-Mobile and other carriers maybe ? I could see that happening after the rush of Play Store orders, and be in stores come December. I bet T-Mobile at least carries it by Christmas, just my guess.
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That Reddit AMA was filled with tons of questions asking about U.S. Carrier availability, and they didn't respond once.
Wonder if that got them thinking, hey maybe we should put this out to T-Mobile and other carriers maybe ? I could see that happening after the rush of Play Store orders, and be in stores come December. I bet T-Mobile at least carries it by Christmas, just my guess.
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I'm wondering if part of the reason is so they can say see how many devices we sold without you, you're not getting customized builds this time.
If they announce carrier availability it would just eat into their own direct sales.
I'd be shocked if this doesn't ultimately get on carriers in a quarter or so.
I'm still upset no Nexus 6P at U.S. Carrier stores, especially T-Mobile.
And I call BS on Google's excuse, that they want full control and no carrier slow downs no carrier involvement mucking things up.
Apple
Carriers don't get in the way of Apple and iOS updates. A Verizon or ATT iPhone 6S get's updated straight from Apple, you don't see Verizon users waiting longer for the iOS update, than an international iPhone user, or Apple having to give the update to ATT first and then let them, hand out the update later to it's customers.
Nope, if you have a Sprint, or T-Mobile, or Verizon iPhone, you just go to iTunes or Apple for the update, and they have the update available at the exact the same time, no matter which carrier phone you own.
My point is, carriers aren't in the way whatsoever, and Apple sells a **** ton of iPhone's through these carriers. How many sales of iPhone's are done directly through the Apple store and site only, like Google wants people to buy the Nexus 6P through the Play Store only ?
Google should sell the Nexus 6P at U.S. Carrier stores, and not give the BS excuse it's because of updates or some crap.