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Alright, was thinking of getting the Flyer but I don't know if I would want it without an AOSP build on it. I mean it's cool, but it seems that this tablet would look beautiful with ICS or just vanilla android in general. I like sense but not enough to have a tablet with it.
So, are the devs planning any work on ICS or is it a dead cause?
I can't speak for every developer, but I don't think you will get a lot of takers to put in the vast amount of time an effort to build yet another vanilla tablet ROM when the Sense widgets and Stylus APIs add quite a bit to the Flyer and for some Sense widgets, there are no equal replacement widgets on the market. why bother, if someone doesn't want to use the Sense widgets and launcher, just don't use them, they hurt nothing in the background. And you cannot build a true working AOSP ROM anyway because you are always dependent on the hardware vendors drivers and kernel.
Just run the Flyer with ADW EX launcher or Launcher Pro if you like it better. Works fine that way.
Ill just say that I am NOT a fan of sense in general. I would never want it on a phone and run cyanogen on my evo 4g. BUT it actually works really well on the flyer. I wasn't a big fan of the sense launcher, so I'm running adw, but all of the other sense apps really add functionality to the tablet.
I'm a Rom whore on phones, but I'm still running the stock software (2.3.4) on my flyer because of works so well.
Just get a flyer and enjoy what's in my opinion the best tab available by far.
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Although we do not have the strongest developer base ever. We still do have developers that do work hard for us. I'm not saying that we're going to have developers that will build ICS for us, but what I can say that it would not be a stretch to port ICS from DHD, G2/DZ, MT4G. I can say this because I have seen the GB flyer port to my G2 and it should not be hard to do it the other way around. So really we just need to wait until one of those phones gets ICS or if Cyanogen decides to build for us. We'll get it eventually it will just be a matter of when. The whole I like sense vs. I don't like sense argument does not apply here, because this is android and we will have a choice between the two. We'll most likely also get an HTC sense build of ICS from HTC, but that may take a little time.
while i am enjoying my flyer with homeycomb/sense i have to agree. as much as i love htc devices,i really hate htc sense. id very much like some sort of AOSP rom as well- it really surprised me to not see any cm7 ports,or even official cm support.
i personally dont use any sense widgets or apps. simply running a different launcher doesnt get rid of sense. you still have sense contacts,keyboard,email,etc. sure you can get 3rd party apps for all those things,but that makes the appready huge footprint of the sense rom even bigger.
AOSP seems smoother and faster on my other htc devices,and id prefer it on my flyer as well. id like to learn how to port roms to different devices,so i could have cm7,8,or 9
I would love to see ICS make its way onto the Flyer. But with how long it's taken HTC to give us a HC update, I'm relying more on Cyanogen than anything else.
Being a guy who is seriously considering this sexy tablet myself.
I have been wondering if there would be an ICS port although an official seems unlikely.
I don't "need" a tablet, but a device to read manga on and watch videos every so often would be nice.
This is the smoothest tablet I've ever seen (I like it more than any other tablet I've seen.. including ipad 2, galaxy tab ect ect)
Decided to get nook tablet instead.
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We're not talking about an OG phone here with limited memory. The Flyer has gob of memory. Sense runs great on the flyer. While It might make you "feel" better to think you are running an AoSP ROM, there's nothing that makes it perform better. I would never give up the Pen or email and other widgets that sense has that no one else has for a good feeling. It doesn't make Sense.
ICS seems to be a close relative of Honeycomb.
I am hoping that the delay in releasing HC for Flyer officially is that HC is being cancelled and work is instead shifiting to ICS.
From what I see of ICS, I would take it over HC with Sense.
My guess is that no one is working on an ICS Mod for us.
hm.. gotta agree... there is no point in getting a rom if you actually are losing functionality... kinda the opposite direction of what most people hope for.
Especially sine 2.3.4 is a pretty decent version.
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We're not talking about an OG phone here with limited memory. The Flyer has gob of memory. Sense runs great on the flyer. While It might make you "feel" better to think you are running an AoSP ROM, there's nothing that makes it perform better. I would never give up the Pen or email and other widgets that sense has that no one else has for a good feeling. It doesn't make Sense.
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to each his own... i dont use the pen. i dont use any sense widgets. i like the way AOSP looks and feels,and the way the menus and native apps look. i dont like sense,and even if performance is exactly the same, *I* would enjoy *MY* flyer alot more if i had AOSP roms for it.
just my personal opinion... some folks like sense and sense widgets,and theres nothing wrong with that. but theres nothing wrong with prefering the look and feel of AOSP,either.
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to each his own... i dont use the pen. i dont use any sense widgets. i like the way AOSP looks and feels,and the way the menus and native apps look. i dont like sense,and even if performance is exactly the same, *I* would enjoy *MY* flyer alot more if i had AOSP roms for it.
just my personal opinion... some folks like sense and sense widgets,and theres nothing wrong with that. but theres nothing wrong with prefering the look and feel of AOSP,either.
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I think you mean you've bought the wrong tablet.
You have to know HTC == Sense. Just don't buy HTC if you complain about Sense.
With all the ICS Alpha ports popping up these days, even on the HTC HD and such, I would not be surprised to see a repackage bootable of ICS for the Flyer soon. These came around for the Old color Nook in Honeycomb flavor, but never fully worked. The problem is they stay about about 70% working until HTC releases the ICS kernel and drivers. Nice to see how they look but things like camera, Bluetooth, video playback and phone don't work. Who knows? Maybe one of the tapped in developers can even patch together a working kernel from the current HTC source code. Since Google released the main OS source, things could get wild.
digital,you are correct,sdk ports rarely amount to anything useable and worthwhile. source code is needed to really get all the functionality.
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I think you mean you've bought the wrong tablet.
You have to know HTC == Sense. Just don't buy HTC if you complain about Sense.
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i know htc very well. i dont ever buy a device for the software it runs,since everything i own gets rooted and ROMed. i buy htc because i like the hardware,and i like the way they "work". i bought the flyer because i like messing with htc products.
lots of folks dont understand my fondness for htc,but my dislike of sense. as i stated,im enjoying my flyer very much with sensified HC. i dont mind sense in small doses , and and if AOSP roms were available,id prolly flip flop back and forth between them. not complaining,im not wishing i hadnt bought it. all i did was agree with the OP in that i also have a strong preference for AOSP.
again,nothing wrong with liking sense. nothing wrong with not liking it either.
Sense 4.0 for Android ICS in the works for 2012.
All quads from the HTC are going to feature Beats Audio. They are also to have HTC Sense 4.0
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sens...-to-battle-ones-from-Samsung-and-Asus_id23932
Snow_fox said:
Being a guy who is seriously considering this sexy tablet myself.
I have been wondering if there would be an ICS port although an official seems unlikely.
I don't "need" a tablet, but a device to read manga on and watch videos every so often would be nice.
This is the smoothest tablet I've ever seen (I like it more than any other tablet I've seen.. including ipad 2, galaxy tab ect ect)
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I enjoy reading manga on mine. The screen is very nice.
To each his own, but when you have a vast majority who bought this for what it is and not what it can be hacked to, you're pretty much in the minority. So if you want the latest and greatest vanilla that breaks functionality most of us want, then you better bone up on your development skills.
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to each his own... i dont use the pen. i dont use any sense widgets. i like the way AOSP looks and feels,and the way the menus and native apps look. i dont like sense,and even if performance is exactly the same, *I* would enjoy *MY* flyer alot more if i had AOSP roms for it.
just my personal opinion... some folks like sense and sense widgets,and theres nothing wrong with that. but theres nothing wrong with prefering the look and feel of AOSP,either.
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This article claims that the Flyer will be shown by HTC in February running ICS.
Rumor has it that, in the coming months, HTC will unveil the first tablet underpinned by the new Nvidia Tegra 3 quad-core platform. It seems that the HTC quad-core tablet will be revealed at Mobile World Congress 2012, event that takes place in Barcelona, in late February. Of course, the information is not official, bit it seems that it’s coming from a source close to the situation. Anyway, a lot of things can change in three months. At the Catalonian event, HTC will also reveal the Flyer and Jetstream models with stylus support and running on Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich.
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That makes sense,honeycomb source code is a subset of ICS so most of the hard work is already done. Can't wait for stable HC. IcS Will come in due time.
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Hey guys. I know the HTC EVO 3D has been on the official update list by HTC for Android 4.0. Although they haven't clarified (to my knowledge) whether it will be upgraded to Sense 3.6 or Sense 4.0
Now initially I would have thought it would for sure be Sense 4.0 because we can easily run it, and it would make no sense not to. Then I saw someone post a comment saying saying that a lot of sense 4.0's features rely in the camera and our sensors don't support that. (Sorry I don't remember who posted this)
I thought what they said though was a valid point nonetheless. Anyway I want to know what all of you think about the update and what version you believe it will get (and why) This way we can all discuss and share ideas/information.
EDIT: its confirmed were getting 3.6
3.6 Here, but hope for either. LOL
Via My HTC Evo 3D On The Now Network From Sprint.
HTC PR Jeff Gordon said they were giving current devices the Sense 3.6 with Android 4.0 the other day when he was talking. sorry dont have a link.
but beside the point there is no way possible that HTC is going to release Sense 4.0 to anything already out. I was the one you were referring to probably in regards to the sensors and camera.
I watched 99% of their MWC event and it was 90% about the Sense 4.0 camera improvements they have made and how "ImageSense" has a dedicated Image Chip now and that coupled with the f/2.0 lens has allowed them to make all these HUGE strides in their camera area.
So without that image chip hardware and the f/2.0 lens theres no way getting Sense 4.0 on our devices. Least if you did get it on here then you would not have all the features and abilities they claimed to have like the quickness of taking pictures and clarity and such....
kinda sucks but it doesn't b/c now we know they addressed one of the issues some people used to b##ch the most about in regards to the hardware...
Here is the article btw. it was actually talking about the next nexus phone and he threw in "...HTC’s current priority is to deliver Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) and HTC Sense 3.6 to its current devices..."
http://androidandme.com/2012/02/new...e-to-be-selected-for-jelly-bean-nexus-device/
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Hey guys. I know the HTC EVO 3D has been on the official update list by HTC for Android 4.0. Although they haven't clarified (to my knowledge) whether it will be upgraded to Sense 3.6 or Sense 4.0
Now initially I would have thought it would for sure be Sense 4.0 because we can easily run it, and it would make no sense not to. Then I saw someone post a comment saying saying that a lot of sense 4.0's features rely in the camera and our sensors don't support that. (Sorry I don't remember who posted this)
I thought what they said though was a valid point nonetheless. Anyway I want to know what all of you think about the update and what version you believe it will get (and why) This way we can all discuss and share ideas/information.
If for some reason this thread doesn't belong here or there is a similar thread already I apologize and will have it removed
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its documented that all current devices are getting 3.6 the only phones getting 4.0 are the ones yet to be released.
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HTC PR Jeff Gordon said they were giving current devices the Sense 3.6 with Android 4.0 the other day when he was talking. sorry dont have a link.
but beside the point there is no way possible that HTC is going to release Sense 4.0 to anything already out. I was the one you were referring to probably in regards to the sensors and camera.
I watched 99% of their MWC event and it was 90% about the Sense 4.0 camera improvements they have made and how "ImageSense" has a dedicated Image Chip now and that coupled with the f/2.0 lens has allowed them to make all these HUGE strides in their camera area.
So without that image chip hardware and the f/2.0 lens theres no way getting Sense 4.0 on our devices. Least if you did get it on here then you would not have all the features and abilities they claimed to have like the quickness of taking pictures and clarity and such....
kinda sucks but it doesn't b/c now we know they addressed one of the issues some people used to b##ch the most about in regards to the hardware...
Here is the article btw. it was actually talking about the next nexus phone and he threw in "...HTC’s current priority is to deliver Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) and HTC Sense 3.6 to its current devices..."
http://androidandme.com/2012/02/new...e-to-be-selected-for-jelly-bean-nexus-device/
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Alright that makes sense. It is a little disheartening. You would think they would update it to 4.0 without the extra camera features. Especially when the single core'd One V is getting 4.0. I know we will always get ports eventually, but those won't have 3D capability no matter what.
Thanks for sharing though. I am still going to hope for Sense 4.0 anyway (even though it's just wishful thinking) lol.
These atlre our specs for the evo 3d if we don't get sense 4.0 that's lame.
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These atlre our specs for the evo 3d if we don't get sense 4.0 that's lame.
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take it you just didn't read anything that I wrote above then....smh
My little rant aha
the One V specs?
1GHZ Single Core CPU
512MB of RAM
3.7 in 480x800
3G (no listed 4G compatibility)
And it ships with 4.0 out of the box.
The 3D
1.2 GHZ Dual-Core MSM8260 Proccesor
1GB of Ram
4.3 qHD display
4G and 3G
and will probably get sense 3.6? Kindof messed up. I mean I understand the whole camera aspect of it...but thats not ALL sense 4.0 is about. I mean yes it is a great big portion of it, but not everything.
My reasoning: The One S has a qhd display (same resolution and screen size of our 3d) so that can't be an issue, CPU, GPU, and RAM isn't really an issue.
The One X has a lower quality camera than the other 2 in the One line (although probably still far superior to our phones)
The only problems HTC should have a real tough problem with is 3D support and fixing the camera for our sensors.. which as a huge national company they should have the resources to do that for us the customer.
That being said I understand what sgt.slaughter is saying...I just like to rant
Maybe im making a bigger deal than it is, but its just a little upsetting. I feel like a samsung owner. That one might hurt a couple of you
i hope 4.0
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My little rant aha
the One V specs?
1GHZ Single Core CPU
512MB of RAM
3.7 in 480x800
3G (no listed 4G compatibility)
And it ships with 4.0 out of the box.
The 3D
1.2 GHZ Dual-Core MSM8260 Proccesor
1GB of Ram
4.3 qHD display
4G and 3G
and will probably get sense 3.6? Kindof messed up. I mean I understand the whole camera aspect of it...but thats not ALL sense 4.0 is about. I mean yes it is a great big portion of it, but not everything.
My reasoning: The One S has a qhd display (same resolution and screen size of our 3d) so that can't be an issue, CPU, GPU, and RAM isn't really an issue.
The One X has a lower quality camera than the other 2 in the One line (although probably still far superior to our phones)
The only problems HTC should have a real tough problem with is 3D support and fixing the camera for our sensors.. which as a huge national company they should have the resources to do that for us the customer.
That being said I understand what sgt.slaughter is saying...I just like to rant
Maybe im making a bigger deal than it is, but its just a little upsetting. I feel like a samsung owner. That one might hurt a couple of you
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visually 3.6 and 4.0 are not far off at all from what ive seen. The camera stuff was the headline feature of Sense 4.0 and they made it apparent in the event. besides that all thats left that sense 3.6 doesn't have is the beats integration and the dropbox stuff really...the camera is a big enough chunk to not get it when you take a step back and look at it all.
HTC confirmed that all the devices that are going to get ICS will be sense 3.5. Check their Facebook page all the information is there.
I'm just saying theres no reason for us not to get 4.0,HTC said them self they even slim down 4.0 for better performance. I remember when I had the evo 4g and it got gingerbread there was no new improvements on sense besides running gingerbread.
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majid25 said:
HTC confirmed that all the devices that are going to get ICS will be sense 3.5. Check their Facebook page all the information is there.
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please read. already linked in this thread they stated all will be Sense 3.6.
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aseercte said:
I'm just saying theres no reason for us not to get 4.0,HTC said them self they even slim down 4.0 for better performance. I remember when I had the evo 4g and it got gingerbread there was no new improvements on sense besides running gingerbread.
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not reading as well....read the actual things that require to get Sense4.0 features they touted and youll see no current phone has the f/2.0 lens nor do they have the dedicated image chip both of which are vital to using Sense4.0 features they touted.
at this point those wanting 4.0 you can just edit the files to say you have 4.0 and you wont know any difference. Only thing possible your missing is dropbox, wifi sync manager, and full integrated beats...
There is a pretty big difference between 3.6 and 4.0. Lockscreen differences, keyboard, system apps like music, animations, and so on. It's more refined. 3.6 is basically 3.5 with ICS.
We will see fully working ports eventually though. Just as we did with the OG EVO and Sense 3.0/3.5.
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I could have sworn they said that the Sensation elevate program users were going to get a Sense 4.0 beta, so I would then assume that the Sensation would get Sense 4.0, and therefore, so would we. I certainly hope so! Then again, the original Evo 4G has sense 3.0 ROMs, so i'm sure the wonderful developer community could get a 4.0 one working perfectly on our phones, in fact, there's already one in development!
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I could have sworn they said that the Sensation elevate program users were going to get a Sense 4.0 beta, so I would then assume that the Sensation would get Sense 4.0, and therefore, so would we. I certainly hope so! Then again, the original Evo 4G has sense 3.0 ROMs, so i'm sure the wonderful developer community could get a 4.0 one working perfectly on our phones, in fact, there's already one in development!
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Well unfortunately not. HTC just said 4.0 ICS not Sense UI. As stated here
http://androidcommunity.com/htc-ann...iews-for-ice-cream-sandwich-updates-20120215/
3.6 god willing sense 4 is ugly
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I want sense 1.5
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another problem is that it seems like they have to many phones on the market to worry about already
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3.6 god willing sense 4 is ugly
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haven't flashed either here on my phone so just going off photos here. only real diff looks like the rosie in 3.6 extends to the edges of the screen where it stops short on 4.0 right?
Has anyone seen the new HTC One V? Its a low level phone running an S2 Snapdragon at 1GHz and only 512MB RAM and it gets Sense 4.0!
Yet all along HTC was telling people that only their newest top end phones has the horsepower to run Sense 4.0. They've said that Sense 4.0 would only be available on S4 Snapdragons or Tegra3 phones.
I hope some of the devs can get their hands on the ROM from that HTC One V and extract the Sense 4.0 stuff from it. Surely if it runs smoothly on that old hardware it'll run great on our Rezounds.
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Has anyone seen the new HTC One V? Its a low level phone running an S2 Snapdragon at 1GHz and only 512MB RAM and it gets Sense 4.0!
Yet all along HTC was telling people that only their newest top end phones has the horsepower to run Sense 4.0. They've said that Sense 4.0 would only be available on S4 Snapdragons or Tegra3 phones.
I hope some of the devs can get their hands on the ROM from that HTC One V and extract the Sense 4.0 stuff from it. Surely if it runs smoothly on that old hardware it'll run great on our Rezounds.
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Newtoroot has already done this. Check the dev forum or themikmik.com
derek4484 said:
Has anyone seen the new HTC One V? Its a low level phone running an S2 Snapdragon at 1GHz and only 512MB RAM and it gets Sense 4.0!
Yet all along HTC was telling people that only their newest top end phones has the horsepower to run Sense 4.0. They've said that Sense 4.0 would only be available on S4 Snapdragons or Tegra3 phones.
I hope some of the devs can get their hands on the ROM from that HTC One V and extract the Sense 4.0 stuff from it. Surely if it runs smoothly on that old hardware it'll run great on our Rezounds.
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This has been known for a while, the problem is that the One V doesn't have a 720p screen. The One XL is about the only One series phone with a ROM that can be ported for use on the Rezound.
derek4484 said:
Has anyone seen the new HTC One V? Its a low level phone running an S2 Snapdragon at 1GHz and only 512MB RAM and it gets Sense 4.0!
Yet all along HTC was telling people that only their newest top end phones has the horsepower to run Sense 4.0. They've said that Sense 4.0 would only be available on S4 Snapdragons or Tegra3 phones.
I hope some of the devs can get their hands on the ROM from that HTC One V and extract the Sense 4.0 stuff from it. Surely if it runs smoothly on that old hardware it'll run great on our Rezounds.
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The One V only gets Sense 3.6. They said it in the official announcement.
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The One V only gets Sense 3.6. They said it in the official announcement.
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Really ? Could swore HTC One V going to MetroPCS with Sense 4.0 letmesee if i can find the article .
Edit: I stand corrected . It is 3.6 .
Even though here says sense 4.0 lol
http://htcpedia.com/news/HTC-One-V-Available-In-India.html?l_page=1&p_page=1
Nvm edit 3: it does have sense 4.0 video included here http://androidandme.com/2012/04/smartphones-2/htc-one-v-video-shows-off-unboxing-and-benchmark-scores/
Powerful hardware has nothing to do with Sense 4.0
They said they were trimming a lot of the fat out of Sense 4.0, which actually makes sense to run 4.0 on a lightweight phone instead of 3.6.
They're only gonna have Sense 4 on their new phones, because they want those to sell more, its a good selling point. Sucks for us, but nice little strategy by HTC, make the best ui they've ever made, and only make it available on brand new phones, meanwhile letting all their old high end phones stick with their "well this is good enough, I guess" software.
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Sense is sense in my book.
Htc never said it will only be released on s4 and tegra devices, they said it will be released on the new one series devices as a selling point which makes sense(no pun intended). The one v also has a dumbed down version of sense 4, not the full version the one s/x get.
Like I've said before and others, Sense 4 is strictly a selling point for the One series.
Of course it'll run fine on our phones but that's not HTC's intention, at least right now.
According to the verge, sense 4 from the one v has been ported to other devices. So I guess the one v has sense 4.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/9/2936540/htc-one-v-android-rom-ported-to-desire-s-hd
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Where's the love from HTC???
Anyone else feel frustrated as hell that HTC not only drags their feet on OTA upgrades, but never includes the latest Sense version? Like the Rezound for example, we will get upgraded to ICS, but the Sense stays at 3.6, mean while the new One series debuts with Sense 4.0 which the Rezound should easily run.
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Anyone else feel frustrated as hell that HTC not only drags their feet on OTA upgrades, but never includes the latest Sense version? Like the Rezound for example, we will get upgraded to ICS, but the Sense stays at 3.6, mean while the new One series debuts with Sense 4.0 which the Rezound should easily run.
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Why would you be frustrated when we already have sense 4.0?
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Why would you be frustrated when we already have sense 4.0?
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Do we? We currently have a hack that is pretty unstable and has a long way to go. (no offense to the devs that have put in a lot of great work) It will come eventually (hopefully sooner as I can't wait to put it on my rezound) but there is nothing like a company produced product (especially after tweaking) that comes from a development organization with all of the source code and knowledge in house. (Let's also not forget the system test group that beats it up for months before release)
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Do we? We currently have a hack that is pretty unstable and has a long way to go. (no offense to the devs that have put in a lot of great work) It will come eventually (hopefully sooner as I can't wait to put it on my rezound) but there is nothing like a company produced product (especially after tweaking) that comes from a development organization with all of the source code and knowledge in house. (Let's also not forget the system test group that beats it up for months before release)
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Pretty unstable? Are you nuts? This release he put out today is doing amazing. Go troll elsewhere please. Newt has done great this far..
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hopesrequiem said:
Pretty unstable? Are you nuts? This release he put out today is doing amazing. Go troll elsewhere please. Newt has done great this far..
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maybe the newest update, but I ran the previous one and even setting everything up the way he instructed, I had to pull down the status bar to and back to get any click on the screen to register.
I appreciate what he is doing, but its still a frankenstein port of 3 different phones which usually means there will be some bugs.
Not that I care that much about sense 4, we won't get it because they have said its only for the new phones going forward. Its a business decision.
HTC has never updated Sense on there phones to a new version. Meaning if your phone has Sense 1.0 they would go 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 etc but you wouldn't see 2.0 on that device.
This is how HTC has always worked so not sure why people are still surprised by it.
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Pretty unstable? Are you nuts? This release he put out today is doing amazing. Go troll elsewhere please. Newt has done great this far..
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How's he trolling when giving his opinion?
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[email protected] said:
HTC has never updated Sense on there phones to a new version. Meaning if your phone has Sense 1.0 they would go 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 etc but you wouldn't see 2.0 on that device.
This is how HTC has always worked so not sure why people are still surprised by it.
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Un true,the thunderbolt got a leaked ruu if sense 3.0 it came with 2.1 stock
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[email protected] said:
HTC has never updated Sense on there phones to a new version. Meaning if your phone has Sense 1.0 they would go 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 etc but you wouldn't see 2.0 on that device.
This is how HTC has always worked so not sure why people are still surprised by it.
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One or a few of the desire phones got updated from 2.1 to 3.0. It certainly happens, just not that often.
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This discussion started as a question in one of the CM10 threads asking how users that want an AOSP experience over HTC Sense as a daily driver wound up with the Evo 3D. It then began evolving into a debate about Sense versus AOSP so I thought it would be a good idea to move it out of that thread. Please keep it civil here or I'm sure the mods will close this thread, as I would expect them to do.
I'll start off by saying I really don't mind Sense and like the direction it has taken with the 4.x releases, so I don't consider it a compromise to run Sense ROM's to take advantage of more features of the Evo 3D. OTOH, I like to run AOSP ROM's to see what future versions of Android are bringing to our devices, and the simplicity of the AOSP interface is a pleasant change of pace, not to mention things like ParanoidAndroid that aren't available for Sense ROM's.
Here's another Sense user's experience using AOSP.
I'm not sure yet what my next device will be which is one of the reasons I'm interested in this discussion. If everyone else has heard enough in the CM10 thread already, just ignore this one and it will go away in a day or two.
ramjet73
In terms of look and design, AOSP>Sense (graphic designer here). Sense may look flashy and "poppy" but it's the same look that HTC incorporated with in the original WinMo version of sense known as TouchFlo back in 2008 I believe. Back then, this style was all the craze and was fitting for it's time, hence the design style of iOS on the original iPhone, which has also not changed. But that was nearly five years ago, and design style and standards have changed. Google has done a great job of keeping up to date with design by keeping things "clean" by minimizing fake shadows, gradients, and object that are given false dimension. In my opinion, Windows Phone is designed extremely well and is, in some ways, setting the standard on UI design, just look at how it carried that look over to Windows 8 and what MySpace's new look is like. It's all about simplicity. As a graphic designer, I cannot stand the look of Sense; it's dated and overly designed. But unfortunately, I bet that HTC (just like Apple) won't reconsider a major UI overhaul do to recognizability and brand association with Sense. All of this is just just my personal opinion though, and each is entitled their own
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Scotty_Two said:
In terms of look and design, AOSP>Sense (graphic designer here). Sense may look flashy and "poppy" but it's the same look that HTC incorporated with in the original WinMo version of sense known as TouchFlo back in 2008 I believe. Back then, this style was all the craze and was fitting for it's time, hence the design style of iOS on the original iPhone, which has also not changed. But that was nearly five years ago, and design style and standards have changed. Google has done a great job of keeping up to date with design by keeping things "clean" by minimizing fake shadows, gradients, and object that are given false dimension. In my opinion, Windows Phone is designed extremely well and is, in some ways, setting the standard on UI design, just look at how it carried that look over to Windows 8 and what MySpace's new look is like. It's all about simplicity. As a graphic designer, I cannot stand the look of Sense; it's dated and overly designed. But unfortunately, I bet that HTC (just like Apple) won't reconsider a major UI overhaul do to recognizability and brand association with Sense. All of this is just just my personal opinion though, and each is entitled their own
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i think i have to agree with that, sense is just too much trying to be accomplished graphically on a 4inch phone. yeah the animations are nice, but they arent worth slowing down your phone. you have a phone to do the things you need it to do, the rest is just bonus.
then again, im also a person who uses the classic theme on windows 7 despite having a decent computer to run aero and still run tons of programs at once.
last point, google has come a long way and you're finally able to see that when they released gingerbread. sense 3.0 w/ gingerbread was probably the last sense that i liked that was released otr for our phones because gingerbread was just repulsive. sense 4.0 i love because it's cleaner than the previous, and really snappy. but it's still sense and you get tired of it.
htc makes solid phones, but their os is starting to turn me away. but until samsung makes phones that arent plastic. ill forever use my 3vo and flash aosp roms.
It's funny how everyone on HTC phones hates sense (except me and a few others), yet people on samsung and LG beg for sense...
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Let me throw this out for the people that prefer the AOSP look.
Given the changes in the Sense 4.x versions is HTC Sense still salvageable as an enhancement to AOSP or should HTC scrap it and convert it's widgets, which seem to be the most popular part of Sense, to work with Trebuchet and other launchers?
If HTC actually builds a Nexus phone, we may get a chance to vote with our dollars (or whatever currency you use).
ramjet73
VictoriousShooter said:
It's funny how everyone on HTC phones hates sense (except me and a few others), yet people on samsung and LG beg for sense...
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Man I am a die hard sense fan in my mind I don't think nothing else compares to it
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I got the evo 3D because I though sense was awesome. After a month I got bored and missed AOSP sooo much
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Reason why I bought the EVO was for sense, always liked it always will
( Don't ask me for help, as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh!!!)
I originally got the evo 3d because at the time I thought sense 3.0 was awsome it looked cool as hell. As well as it was one of the best phones sprint carried at the time. But then after a month or so I couldn't stand it and I went on the search for aosp or as close to it as I could get. My next device will definitely be a nexus device. Not only because I dislike sense at this point but because of the hell we went through waiting for ics and source code.
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Sense is "pretty" and ya all the ROMs have working cam but aosp just has so much more freedom. Only time I'm rocking sense is when I'm taking a pic
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As others have said, first off, I like the "tweakability" of AOSP when compared to sense. Much more freedom to do what I want and this expands with CM, AOKP, and other special builds.
Second, the simplicity and streamlining of AOSP is *far* superior to anything that sense has to offer. I'm not a graphic designer, but I am a photographer so I'd say that, at the very least, I have an eye for the aesthetics of things around me. AOSP, in its newer iterations (namely, ICS and AOSP - since the new standards were introduced) has a ridiculous amount of polish and aesthetic appeal when compared to pretty much any other Android offering.
I understand that aesthetics are a completely subjective thing. A lot of people here seem to like very flashy stuff - gold-themed roms, animated 3d spinning boot screens, really bright colors, outrageous text, biohazard signs, etc. That's not my cup-of-tea personally, but if you're into that stuff I can see why you might not like AOSP.
Finally, It was incredibly hard to predict exactly what would happen concerning our phones and AOSP. When I picked up my Evo 3D, I was a huge fan of HTC hardware after owning a Mytouch 3G as my first android phone and having it survive two large water accidents. I assumed that great devs would eventually get AOSP working on it and I was ok living with Sense until that happened.
Nothing against Sense, I'm sure there are plenty of reasons for people to like it, but I've spent over a year with both (I very recently switched back to AOSP on my 3D) and I heavily prefer AOSP.
I like sense its not horrible. and the things I've seen done with it through chubbzs ports of 4.0 and 4.1 But I've had sense for quite awhile and I like the simplicity and tweakage of aosp Aokp cm and CnA. It's just different and I'm looking for something different. I know sense is going to be more stable and more functional but I'm willing to deal with a much less stable Rom just for something different. It makes my phone feel like a new phone and its a little smoother IMO
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I'm definitely not married to Sense anymore. When I first got my Evo 4G I really liked it, but once 4G was implemented into AOSP I flashed it and ran AOSP for months. Only going back to Sense once in a while. My Old EVO 4G is back on a Sense ROM though, Karma 7.7.7 (if I remember it right.)
Sense 4 is much sleeker and faster and I wish it was complete. If things weren't broken, I would be all over a Sense 4 ROM. But, I'd do the same on AOSP if there was a complete build of that. Ultimately, that is what keeps me on 3.6. Not it's style, look, how bloated it is (and it does have some heft.) But the fact that everything works, I can't stand not having everything worked that I paid for, whether I use them daily or not.
i liked sense 3.0 when it first came out. it was new and cool. it's still ok to be honest. but i miss AOSP. the newer versions of sense are nice as well but i just refuse to sacrifice 4G. i dont really mind losing 3D. never really used it. and i know 4G doesnt really work on any AOSP roms either. so i just desensify sense based roms to get as close to AOSP as i can. i was using CM9 on an old Droid X i inherited and i loved it. i wish we had a fully functioning CM build....
I really like Sense and I really like AOSP. (especially since ICS) the only possible way to ever choose between both was to own an HTC Device running sense. So that's what I've done since the Hero days. (Granite you needed AOSP for that device)
You can't buy a nexus device, and expect to get Sense on it, but you can buy a Sense device and get AOSP ROM's for it.
I like both, and the ability to choose. That's why I chose the EVO 3D (and HTC phones in general)
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I really like Sense and I really like AOSP. (especially since ICS) the only possible way to ever choose between both was to own an HTC Device running sense. So that's what I've done since the Hero days. (Granite you needed AOSP for that device)
You can't buy a nexus device, and expect to get Sense on it, but you can buy a Sense device and get AOSP ROM's for it.
I like both, and the ability to choose. That's why I chose the EVO 3D (and HTC phones in general)
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That's actually a really good way to look at it. You can get both on HTC and you can't anywhere else. I don't see many people clammering for TouchWiz on an LG. lol
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That's actually a really good way to look at it. You can get both on HTC and you can't anywhere else. I don't see many people clammering for TouchWiz on an LG. lol
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this may sound bad.....
but i actually would like to see touchwiz on an htc device one day. i just wanna experience touchwiz for like a week or so without having to buy a plastic contain to hold all my phone's parts
johnnyboi1994 said:
this may sound bad.....
but i actually would like to see touchwiz on an htc device one day. i just wanna experience touchwiz for like a week or so without having to buy a plastic contain to hold all my phone's parts
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There's a rom with touchwiz on the og evo .. I actually liked it when I had my og evo a few months back
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this may sound bad.....
but i actually would like to see touchwiz on an htc device one day. i just wanna experience touchwiz for like a week or so without having to buy a plastic contain to hold all my phone's parts
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Have at it!
Here's a port of the Galaxy S3 version that's been tested with ICS on the Evo 3D and here's an overview of the S3 version.
If you Google around a bit you should be able to find some TouchWiz widgets as well.
ramjet73
I like sense but it is heavy and uses more battery compared to aosp. I like aosp too and I prefer it! Is more light, smooth and I like the android grapich
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I know there is alot of debate on the entire skins vs AOSP, ive decided to write my reasons for sticking with Sense instead of AOSP. we all know sense was introduced to make android faster and eaiser to use it was great but as android started to grow the need for sense started shritting away, that was until sense 4.0, but ive always been a fan of sense from my first android phone, Evo 4G then Evo 3D and now with the Evo LTE. i can say ive experanced every major release of sense dare i say from TouchFlo (and TF3D), 1.0, 1.1, 2.1, 3.0, 3.5, 3.6, 4.0, 4.1 and even played with Sense 4.5. ive seen sense evolve througout the year and while i do admit it may be a memory hog (Shivers at WinMo 6.1 TouchFlo 3D) i cant just help but also admit it's beauty. i honestly feel not only sense adds slight improvemnts to the software (I.E. First with the "Sync Widget" and the photo Grid Widget and even the ionic sense weather/clock, native facebook intergration). Now to the things i appricate about sense, the camera interface. I find AOSP camera to be boring and plain, sense camera's have always been something beautiful to look at with added features like distoration, hot,cold, thermal, greyscale, Dots even 3D, and now with the ImageSense chip to handle camera processing it just got even better. another thing i used to love about sense was the email client, while i have to admit it had sync issues(I.E. MSN email were still marked unread on PC) it has a beautiful yet user friendly interface,SMS/MMS also shared this. The Status Bar has always had solid icons, i refuse to theme the status bar because alot of themes feel out of place Huge numbers on battery out of place icons ETC. the sense browser has always been in my top 3 brower list, it soild smooth and wordwrap is a benifit i wish chrome & Stock had. one thing i find underrated is 4.x multitasking. HTC designed recent apps based on what many users loved. WebOS card's. HTC took the card idea and tossed there taste into it. Sense Gives android a clean cut feel to it, it is beautiful (had if HTC would've Given us the extra gig of ram it would have been even snappier). Now some improvements i would like to see in sense are pretty simple, First id like to see the Holo effect i admire HTC for giving us a pretty much Stock Dock but sense is missing the Holo Effect which in my opinion is an amazing feature in AOSP, also as mentioned above, an extra Gig of ram would'nt hurt us but i think HTC will leanr from the X line and add addtional Ram in the future.
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i would also like to include im not bashing AOSP, but for my phone i prefer Sense where on my TF i prefer AOSP
Whats with the novels people are writing lately, who was time to read all that! Kidding...
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PhyscoAssassinx said:
I know there is alot of debate on the entire skins vs AOSP, ive decided to write my reasons for sticking with Sense instead of AOSP.
we all know sense was introduced to make android faster and eaiser to use it was great but as android started to grow the need for sense started shritting away, that was until sense 4.0, but ive always been a fan of sense from my first android phone,
Evo 4G then Evo 3D and now with the Evo LTE. i can say ive experanced every major release of sense dare i say from TouchFlo (and TF3D), 1.0, 1.1, 2.1, 3.0, 3.5, 3.6, 4.0, 4.1 and even played with Sense 4.5. ive seen sense evolve througout the year and while i do admit it may be a memory hog (Shivers at WinMo 6.1 TouchFlo 3D) i cant just help but also admit it's beauty.
i honestly feel not only sense adds slight improvemnts to the software (I.E. First with the "Sync Widget" and the photo Grid Widget and even the ionic sense weather/clock, native facebook intergration).
Now to the things i appricate about sense, the camera interface. I find AOSP camera to be boring and plain, sense camera's have always been something beautiful to look at with added features like distoration, hot,cold, thermal, greyscale, Dots even 3D, and now with the ImageSense chip to handle camera processing it just got even better. another thing i used to love about sense was the email client, while i have to admit it had sync issues(I.E. MSN email were still marked unread on PC) it has a beautiful yet user friendly interface,SMS/MMS also shared this.
The Status Bar has always had solid icons, i refuse to theme the status bar because alot of themes feel out of place Huge numbers on battery out of place icons ETC. the sense browser has always been in my top 3 brower list, it soild smooth and wordwrap is a benifit i wish chrome & Stock had. one thing i find underrated is 4.x multitasking. HTC designed recent apps based on what many users loved. WebOS card's. HTC took the card idea and tossed there taste into it.
Sense Gives android a clean cut feel to it, it is beautiful (had if HTC would've Given us the extra gig of ram it would have been even snappier). Now some improvements i would like to see in sense are pretty simple, First id like to see the Holo effect i admire HTC for giving us a pretty much Stock Dock but sense is missing the Holo Effect which in my opinion is an amazing feature in AOSP, also as mentioned above, an extra Gig of ram would'nt hurt us but i think HTC will leanr from the X line and add addtional Ram in the future.
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i would also like to include im not bashing AOSP, but for my phone i prefer Sense where on my TF i prefer AOSP
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There we go, a bit easier on the eye. :cyclops:
I'm really mad they tied that ImageSense chip into the SenseUI. By the time anyone in AOSP manages to merge it, the phone will be outdated.
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I'm really mad they tied that ImageSense chip into the SenseUI. By the time anyone in AOSP manages to merge it, the phone will be outdated.
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As far as I know they already have ._.
I tried AOSP out a few days ago (CM10) and I was able to take pictures while recording video, and picture taking was about as fast as normal.
I also heard that they merged it into AOSP awhile back.
But I could be wrong on what the ImageSense chip is in charge of, but I thought it handled that.
All that was required was porting the libs over and they have successfully merged the libraries already. There are still some things that can't be done yet. At this point the underpinnings are there but the software has to catch up
2 things:.
1. AOSP browser has word wrap. If you mean text reflow (like, a column maintaining screen width at any zoom level).
2. You LIKE sense 4 multitasking?!
How? It DOESNT multitask. It closes everything as soon as you leave it. Hell, zeppelinrocks and others have been working long trying to fix it.
I feel like I just stepped into bizarro world.
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scottspa74 said:
2 things:.
1. AOSP browser has word wrap. If you mean text reflow (like, a column maintaining screen width at any zoom level).
2. You LIKE sense 4 multitasking?!
How? It DOESNT multitask. It closes everything as soon as you leave it. Hell, zeppelinrocks and others have been working long trying to fix it.
I feel like I just stepped into bizarro world.
hurled from my AOKP'd Evo LTE. Enjoy.
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It doesn't reflow on my tablet and yes I like sense 4 multitasking, it works fine with me, again this differs from user to user many people on here hate it many people on here loves it I'm not expecting any one to agree with me out trying to change anyone's mind just my personal opinion on sense
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As far as I know they already have ._.
I tried AOSP out a few days ago (CM10) and I was able to take pictures while recording video, and picture taking was about as fast as normal.
I also heard that they merged it into AOSP awhile back.
But I could be wrong on what the ImageSense chip is in charge of, but I thought it handled that.
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Nah, CM10 uses the stock Android camera; they'd have to engineer the drivers for that chip from scratch. The ImageSense chip speeds things up dramatically and does a great deal of image processing... Supposedly they're legally required to eventually release the source for it, but the way things go it doesn't end up getting released until the device is nearing EOL, if at all. Please note that I have no inside information on this, this is just what I've picked up on these boards, as it's an important topic to me. As much as I like CM10, I don't like the idea of software that gimps my hardware.
^^^^^^^ what do you mean, "nah" ?
Yes, you absolutely can take stills while video recording in AOSP. I'm on AOKP and just did it.
I will say that in sense, taking a still while recording resulted in a pic that was crisper and sharper than any standalone pic I could take , while in AOSP, the still from video tends to be a bit blurry for me.
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I guess I'll add my opinion into this. I'm honestly a big sense fan. I've used the galaxy nexus for a few weeks, and tried out the galaxy S III. Now, what I love about AOSP is that everything is fast, and it works extremely well. (At least for the galaxy nexus.) I'm not a big fan of how much of a memory hog sense is, nor its bizarre multitasking, but I love the way sense integrates social networks. I'm a huge, facebook/tweeter users, and I hated how stock Android doesn't have as many options as Sense to integrate the two. Everything was centered around Google Plus, and none of the people I talk to are on Google plus, so it's pretty much useless to me. SO, Social network integration is a plus for me, as far as sense is concerned. Also, I love the little nuances in the design, like the weather animation, and widgets. I just only wish, sense wasn't so laggy, and HTC added some of the extras that you find in Touchwiz on the Galaxy S III.
I agree, I like sense more than touchwiz. I had the first galaxy s, and I liked a few of the added customizations, and I've played around with the s3. It's a very nice phone with a lot of little options. The one thing I like the most about touchwiz is the contacts, swipe left on a name to call and swipe right to message (or vice versa, can't remember). That's a nice little touch. Other than that and the lack of good multitasking, I think sense is very nice and user friendly.
I like sense but sometimes I get this crazy long lag when loading my text messages. Doesn't happen all the time and seems pretty random but its not just text messages. Sometimes it happens opening people or when trying to create a new message, it doesn't auto fill who I'm looking up for a good 15 seconds. Annoying and I'm pretty sure it's sense's fault. I had CM7 on my og Evo for about a year and I like stock android, got the Nexus 7 and it's great. I'm running stock on my Evo LTE and I'm not rooted but I'm seriously thinking about it just to get rid of that lag, it's rare enough that I might just update to jellybean when it comes out and hope it's fixed because it didn't do it until my first update. Also it takes way to long to launch sense when you've been in the browser for a while and hit home. Loading... Loading...
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