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Hi all
Theres alot of talk about GPS problems with this device.
Im a Navigational Officer with a marine survey company and GPS troubleshooting is in my day to day line of work.
The biggest problem i have with new units is well theyre built in Asia and then these units get shipped over to the USA and Europe. So when they first get turned on they are expecting a satalitte geometry for Asia.
These means it can take a long long time for devices to get a lock. Once it gets it though future times you use the device should be nice and quick an easy. Now the equimpment im using is completely different to the Tranformer Prime but the stuff i use is worth millions of millions of dollars. So its safe to say if it can take up to several hours for a first time lock to occure with a million dollar piece of gps equipment how long will it take for a tablet? Most of the time i have to reprogram the card and tell it its at a certain lat long this reduces first time start up to maybe 40-50 minutes before it gets a good strong signal. So bare that in mind when your saying GPS isnt working with the device have you really tested it?
Now i dont have my Transformer Prime yet ( preordered through amazon uk) and when i do there will be a extensive test done on wifi and GPS and some tweaking to improve them best i can. But here are some suggestions you might consider.
1. WIFI - yes turn your wifi . Yes i know this sounds stupid but it helps the tablet find itself that first time it tells it ohh im in this country and i need to look for this. Do this several times then turn your Wifi off and try GPS on its own.
2. Leave it alone - I know its hard to do but just turn your GPS on and then just leave it dont move it touch it play with it. Just let it find itself and the satalittes. After finding itself a few times it will become quicker.
3. Wait for Update - Im in not doubt that a good firmware update will fix this problem in the future even with masking from the aluminium shell of the transformer its still going to be able to get a GPS lock even if its just a handfull of sats and technially you only need 4. With a new firmware it will allow the device to find itself a little better. I do it in work all the time reprogram for different regions.
I hope this helps anyone. But the end of the day GPS isnt instant guys. Tom Tom and Garmin have made it look easy the end of the day but thats with the programing of the units in advanced that allows for fast geometry fixes. Just be patient.
fishbowl_00 said:
Hi all
Theres alot of talk about GPS problems with this device.
Im a Navigational Officer with a marine survey company and GPS troubleshooting is in my day to day line of work.
The biggest problem i have with new units is well theyre built in Asia and then these units get shipped over to the USA and Europe. So when they first get turned on they are expecting a satalitte geometry for Asia.
These means it can take a long long time for devices to get a lock. Once it gets it though future times you use the device should be nice and quick an easy. Now the equimpment im using is completely different to the Tranformer Prime but the stuff i use is worth millions of millions of dollars. So its safe to say if it can take up to several hours for a first time lock to occure with a million dollar piece of gps equipment how long will it take for a tablet? Most of the time i have to reprogram the card and tell it its at a certain lat long this reduces first time start up to maybe 40-50 minutes before it gets a good strong signal. So bare that in mind when your saying GPS isnt working with the device have you really tested it?
Now i dont have my Transformer Prime yet ( preordered through amazon uk) and when i do there will be a extensive test done on wifi and GPS and some tweaking to improve them best i can. But here are some suggestions you might consider.
1. WIFI - yes turn your wifi . Yes i know this sounds stupid but it helps the tablet find itself that first time it tells it ohh im in this country and i need to look for this. Do this several times then turn your Wifi off and try GPS on its own.
2. Leave it alone - I know its hard to do but just turn your GPS on and then just leave it dont move it touch it play with it. Just let it find itself and the satalittes. After finding itself a few times it will become quicker.
3. Wait for Update - Im in not doubt that a good firmware update will fix this problem in the future even with masking from the aluminium shell of the transformer its still going to be able to get a GPS lock even if its just a handfull of sats and technially you only need 4. With a new firmware it will allow the device to find itself a little better. I do it in work all the time reprogram for different regions.
I hope this helps anyone. But the end of the day GPS isnt instant guys. Tom Tom and Garmin have made it look easy the end of the day but thats with the programing of the units in advanced that allows for fast geometry fixes. Just be patient.
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great post. I know I haven't really really tested mines because I got impatient after a couple mins..lol plus never really took prime outside yet. thanks for the info. patience is a virtue.
tomorrow im going to cold boot from airplane mode, let it sit outside for like 30 minutes in navigation and see what happens
fishbowl_00 said:
Hi all
Theres alot of talk about GPS problems with this device.
Im a Navigational Officer with a marine survey company and GPS troubleshooting is in my day to day line of work.
The biggest problem i have with new units is well theyre built in Asia and then these units get shipped over to the USA and Europe. So when they first get turned on they are expecting a satalitte geometry for Asia.
These means it can take a long long time for devices to get a lock. Once it gets it though future times you use the device should be nice and quick an easy. Now the equimpment im using is completely different to the Tranformer Prime but the stuff i use is worth millions of millions of dollars. So its safe to say if it can take up to several hours for a first time lock to occure with a million dollar piece of gps equipment how long will it take for a tablet? Most of the time i have to reprogram the card and tell it its at a certain lat long this reduces first time start up to maybe 40-50 minutes before it gets a good strong signal. So bare that in mind when your saying GPS isnt working with the device have you really tested it?
Now i dont have my Transformer Prime yet ( preordered through amazon uk) and when i do there will be a extensive test done on wifi and GPS and some tweaking to improve them best i can. But here are some suggestions you might consider.
1. WIFI - yes turn your wifi . Yes i know this sounds stupid but it helps the tablet find itself that first time it tells it ohh im in this country and i need to look for this. Do this several times then turn your Wifi off and try GPS on its own.
2. Leave it alone - I know its hard to do but just turn your GPS on and then just leave it dont move it touch it play with it. Just let it find itself and the satalittes. After finding itself a few times it will become quicker.
3. Wait for Update - Im in not doubt that a good firmware update will fix this problem in the future even with masking from the aluminium shell of the transformer its still going to be able to get a GPS lock even if its just a handfull of sats and technially you only need 4. With a new firmware it will allow the device to find itself a little better. I do it in work all the time reprogram for different regions.
I hope this helps anyone. But the end of the day GPS isnt instant guys. Tom Tom and Garmin have made it look easy the end of the day but thats with the programing of the units in advanced that allows for fast geometry fixes. Just be patient.
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Nice summary. I think the amount everyone here has learned about the workings of GPS is college equivelent. But other tablets don't require any priming or special conditions to work. They just do. And that includes Asus' own TF1 and Slider.
Quite true other devices dont have the same problem you are right. But you have to remmber Asus have rushed this tablet out on the Market so to beat the competition. The firmware might not be as up to date as they may like and some nessicary tweaks may need to be in order. Im sure Asus main concern are other areas of the tablet like getting it to power up and run. GPS fixes are more secondary.
I could be wrong and there could be a defect with the tablets ( i hope there arnt any problems) but im hopeing with new updates sat tracking and lock will become much quicker.
While waiting for Prime, I upgraded my OG Droid to Samsung Galaxy Nexus. No GPS issues. And compared the TF Prime to my wife's Samsung 10.1 Tab. No GPS issues.
Couple that with Asus Rep from TF1, and I expected better. Disappointed in GPS perf.
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Quite true other devices dont have the same problem you are right. But you have to remmber Asus have rushed this tablet out on the Market so to beat the competition. The firmware might not be as up to date as they may like and some nessicary tweaks may need to be in order. Im sure Asus main concern are other areas of the tablet like getting it to power up and run. GPS fixes are more secondary.
I could be wrong and there could be a defect with the tablets ( i hope there arnt any problems) but im hopeing with new updates sat tracking and lock will become much quicker.
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People have tested it with an external Bluetooth receiver and it works well. If it was a general s/w issue I'd imagine it wouldn't. And remember, it's the OS that talks to the GPS chip not s/w that Asus had/has to develop on thier own. The chip itself is made by Broadcom and is similar to what's in the G-Tab and TF1 so there's nothing unique about the Prime compared to other HC devices (GPS wise).
as we speak my tablet was put into airplane mode i did a reboot now it is sitting in my window and running gps test looking for satellite not going to touch until 930 and see if we find anything
Fare enough put in my place hahaha. Well they are only suggestions with what ive observed with other GPS equipment. Truth be told im not familiar with Mobile and Tablet GPS, more of the high end gps surveys stuff. Thanks for the input
Good luck, It may or may not work but just thought id over some ideas for what ive observed in work
fishbowl_00 said:
Fare enough put in my place hahaha. Well they are only suggestions with what ive observed with other GPS equipment. Truth be told im not familiar with Mobile and Tablet GPS, more of the high end gps surveys stuff. Thanks for the input
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What you added was great - I didn't mean to seem negative. You're kind of coming in to the play in the fourth act. If you like GPS related stuff there's some really good info starting around page 33 on the big-ass GPS thread with the poll attached.
fishbowl_00 said:
Good luck, It may or may not work but just thought id over some ideas for what ive observed in work
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well we will see and i will post results for sure
fishbowl_00,
Great thinking, but once you get your prime you may have a different line of thought. I've been testing mine for days, using every conceivable configuration imaginable. I've been using GPS since it was released during the LORAN days and have never seen anything this weak!
Mine can usually get a fix outside with a good view of the sky. I even got it to lock on indoors a few times. The problem is it can't hold the lock. Sitting in the same position it will suddenly lose all eight or twelve satellites for no apparent reason and then slowly start searching and maybe finding them again after several minutes. The signals are always marginal. Driving around I can usually get a lock some of the time, if I hold the prime up to the window. Then for no reason it will show me driving out through the forest and then get lost! This is not a one time thing. It happens over and over again.
After several emails to Asus tech, I've been told everything to "it must have a Wi-Fi connection for GPS to work" to "meantime please try to use Google Maps app from the main menu by tapping APPS -> then MAPS icon, please check if your 'current location' is displaying correctly. If not I would suggest to have it exchanged with your place of purchase or you may proceed with a RMA service to have the issue corrected."
Now this morning, Asus has said "Please note that this product is not a professional GPS device and signal performance can be easily influenced by factors including, but not limited to: weather, buildings and your surrounding environment." Never mind that the other tablets and cheap receivers on the market aren't professional GPS devices either, but seem to operate without these problems.
The last straw was when then removed GPS from their specs online this morning on their website. Seems they think that if they pretend it isn't there no one can complain! After all *specifications are subject to change without notice.
Sorry if I sound a little bitter, but I've had it with Asus.
My test airplane mode on, reboot, open gps test, let sit for 30 minutes
Update 1: 10 minutes in we have a really cold prime from sitting in a window on a 20 degree night but we have zero satellites
Update 2: 20 minutes in the prime is now even colder and still zero satellites only 10 minutes left and we will see what happens
Update 3: tablet dropped to 61.7 degrees wow its freeezing but still no lock on gps my test is complete GPS = FAIL
thomslik said:
fishbowl_00,
Great thinking, but once you get your prime you may have a different line of thought. I've been testing mine for days, using every conceivable configuration imaginable. I've been using GPS since it was released during the LORAN days and have never seen anything this weak!
Mine can usually get a fix outside with a good view of the sky. I even got it to lock on indoors a few times. The problem is it can't hold the lock. Sitting in the same position it will suddenly lose all eight or twelve satellites for no apparent reason and then slowly start searching and maybe finding them again after several minutes. The signals are always marginal. Driving around I can usually get a lock some of the time, if I hold the prime up to the window. Then for no reason it will show me driving out through the forest and then get lost! This is not a one time thing. It happens over and over again.
After several emails to Asus tech, I've been told everything to "it must have a Wi-Fi connection for GPS to work" to "meantime please try to use Google Maps app from the main menu by tapping APPS -> then MAPS icon, please check if your 'current location' is displaying correctly. If not I would suggest to have it exchanged with your place of purchase or you may proceed with a RMA service to have the issue corrected."
Now this morning, Asus has said "Please note that this product is not a professional GPS device and signal performance can be easily influenced by factors including, but not limited to: weather, buildings and your surrounding environment." Never mind that the other tablets and cheap receivers on the market aren't professional GPS devices either, but seem to operate without these problems.
The last straw was when then removed GPS from their specs online this morning on their website. Seems they think that if they pretend it isn't there no one can complain! After all *specifications are subject to change without notice.
Sorry if I sound a little bitter, but I've had it with Asus.
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People do not turn on your Wifi to test your GPS its a decoy. When you do this of course it will work because Google maps uses Wifi location as well this would just patch it.
If you really want to test the OP theory of the Asia region that is easy, we need some one with ROOT to download a GPS neuter app from the market. When running you can uninstall the current config and download the GPS data.
I would have done this myself but I do not have root with the firmware I received.
Can someone confirm with ROOT?
tylermaciaszek said:
My test airplane mode on, reboot, open gps test, let sit for 30 minutes
Update 1: 10 minutes in we have a really cold prime from sitting in a window on a 20 degree night but we have zero satellites
Update 2: 20 minutes in the prime is now even colder and still zero satellites only 10 minutes left and we will see what happens
Update 3: tablet dropped to 61.7 degrees wow its freeezing but still no lock on gps my test is complete GPS = FAIL
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Is there somewhere outside it can get a clear view of the southerly sky? It should lock then because other's have gotten it to.
tylermaciaszek said:
My test airplane mode on, reboot, open gps test, let sit for 30 minutes
Update 1: 10 minutes in we have a really cold prime from sitting in a window on a 20 degree night but we have zero satellites
Update 2: 20 minutes in the prime is now even colder and still zero satellites only 10 minutes left and we will see what happens
Update 3: tablet dropped to 61.7 degrees wow its freeezing but still no lock on gps my test is complete GPS = FAIL
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i recommend that u use gps status with wifi turned on to find satellites for the first time. it worked for me. will take 10+ mins. once u get a lock, next time is easier. also try this outdoors in open area and not from window sil
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Maybe they installed the Eastern hemisphere GPS chip instead of the Western one.
smrsxn said:
i recommend that u use gps status with wifi turned on to find satellites for the first time. it worked for me. will take 10+ mins. once u get a lock, next time is easier. also try this outdoors in open area and not from window sil
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And as soon as your Prime changes location and/or can't access Wi-Fi it will lose lock and not be able to reacquire satellites. For people that only need GPS when they have access to Wi-Fi this really isn't that big an issue. Mapping and navigation while moving (without a wireless signal) is pretty much impossible.
BarryH_GEG said:
Is there somewhere outside it can get a clear view of the southerly sky? It should lock then because other's have gotten it to.
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will try tomorrow morning in the middle of my lawn for 30 minutes
Hello:
Yesterday, I spoke with Aaron at ASUS about my GPS problems. This is the new department that is devoted to GPS issues (maybe WIFI too). I was very pleased that he offered me a full refund (including accessories). It was the right thing for ASUS to do. That was great yesterday, but today I considered what it might be like to part ways with my ICS 4+1 tablet, and had second thoughts about the refund.
So I called them back again today and spoke with Aaron. I asked if there are in fact any units that have functioning GPS in them. He said "Yes, I have one in front of me right now". Aaron reassured me that if I did go through the RMA process again, the next tablet would be 100% tested prior to shipping. He said that everything would be sent to his attent 7ion in California and shipped overnight to me. I asked, "How can I be sure?" I didn't want to do RMA again unless I know the next one has working GPS.
Aaron offered to take screenshots of his working GPS and send them to me via email. From there, I could decide if I did want to RMA again. Great idea!
Are these results any good? How do they compare to other "working" TF201s or other devices in general?
Thanks.
If all you want to do is geo-location, that's fine. Notice in all those screen shots the speed indication is zero.
I get that kind of results outdoors with my prime, but as soon as I start moving, it drops lock. It can see birds, but it just can't lock while moving.
So, depending on what you want to do with the GPS, it's good or bad.
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I have screenshot, many posted around here, where I have better numbers than that... sitting still... like him... then I tried to drive
That's the type of reception I get with my Prime. Not a strong signal but it does lock onto a number of satellites. I don't think it would be strong enough to navigate with as the signals are pretty low but you might be able to.
Jeff
i have had two primes with working gps first one with c10kas sn, which i returned n exchanged due to stuck pixels after 2 weeks of usage.
second one is with c20kas sn also has working gps, but suffers from the reboot issue after the .14 update (waiting for the .15 update to be released which hopefully address the reboot issue).
but i can tell you that, dont expect to be able to use turn by turn gps navigation even when u get a prime with working gps.
your best bet would be to tether gps from your phone via blue tooth if gps navigation is what you are trying to do with the prime.
gd luck.
Interesting, so this is what ASUS defines as 'working.'
Hey guys, I need to take down these photos because there was a disclaimer in the email that said they shouldn't be posted. Oops . Sorry.
But it seems that locking 5-10 satellites at 20 or so signal strength is normal. And to not expect to be able to hold that lock if you move.
Thanks for posts.
I have had as many as 15 sat,s with locks on 10 of them accuracy to 24.2 feet in the house than the very next day I can maybe only get 2 sats and no locks. I think its very location and weather dependant.
ohwell said:
I have had as many as 15 sat,s with locks on 10 of them accuracy to 24.2 feet in the house than the very next day I can maybe only get 2 sats and no locks. I think its very location and weather dependant.
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No its called the alumnium back is such kryptonite to GPS signals thats its always on the edge of locking and not locking which is also the reason when it moves it cannot stay locked. Think of it like listening to a radio station in your car and your driving out of state and you start losing the station cutting in and out fading out etc....
alanhzl said:
i have had two primes with working gps first one with c10kas sn, which i returned n exchanged due to stuck pixels after 2 weeks of usage.
second one is with c20kas sn also has working gps, but suffers from the reboot issue after the .14 update (waiting for the .15 update to be released which hopefully address the reboot issue).
but i can tell you that, dont expect to be able to use turn by turn gps navigation even when u get a prime with working gps.
your best bet would be to tether gps from your phone via blue tooth if gps navigation is what you are trying to do with the prime.
gd luck.
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That doesn't work with all phones. Definitely doesn't work with Tmobile galaxy s2.
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GPS Test
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GPS will never be as good as on a phone with the Prime. Why do people still think sending it n will somehow fix it?
I want to add to the OP. Since last week, Aaron from ASUS took more screenshots for me, this time while he was driving to work. The TF201 he used had about 20-30 signal strength while driving about 30 MPH. Again, really impressed with this new hotline. I'm not a fanboy. This is my first tablet and android product. But it's really cool that Aaron actually knows me by name and responds very courteously to my concerns.
I am gonna test mine today for you guys. My new Prime, had many lol. Gets 12-15 Sats easy while in my house even on rainy days. With the wifi off. Gonna take it with me today for a ride and see how it does. I will take a picture too of course proving i am in the car driving.
For me the GPS does not matter. But testing is the fun part.
FOr xformer Prime, do I really need the GPS dongle or would the GPS work w/o it?
Are you going to be using GPS alot with your Prime? If yes, then hell yah you need it!
Windiddy said:
FOr xformer Prime, do I really need the GPS dongle or would the GPS work w/o it?
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I don't and won't need it, but signed up today to get it. I may want to sell my Prime in the future and having it might make that easier.
Put it like this:
What's the point of not having it if it's free? Ever thrown something away that you turn out to want/need maybe not even a week later? Kind of like that to me
Windiddy said:
FOr xformer Prime, do I really need the GPS dongle or would the GPS work w/o it?
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If you want to be able to rely on your Prime for navigation assistance then yes you need the GPS dongle. GPS will not work reliably without it, if it did they wouldn't need to manufacture and freely distribute a dongle now would they?
Also.. its free. So even if you never use it, it is worth signing up for and getting just in case you do need or or you want to sell your tablet sometime in the future.
babymatteo said:
Are you going to be using GPS alot with your Prime? If yes, then hell yah you need it!
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so does it mean that Prime's internal GPS doesn't work? very disappointing.
Windiddy said:
so does it mean that Prime's internal GPS doesn't work? very disappointing.
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Where have you been? The internal GPS has never worked on anyone's Prime since they started shipping in December. Asus even removed it from their advertising.
chamberc said:
Where have you been? The internal GPS has never worked on anyone's Prime since they started shipping in December. Asus even removed it from their advertising.
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For the record, I decided to test the GPS on my Prime today while the weather was warm. This after I checked my serial number of the device: C1 by the way...
Walked outside and stood 10 feet away from my front door. Less than 10 seconds and a lock. I walked around a bit and walked back into the house and it was still locked.
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That's because you are / were connected to your home router which gives the prime your location based on IP. A better test would be to disconnect WIFI, disable location services and reboot, then test. You probably wont get the same results
Of course you need it ! Having it will add couple more bucks to the price when you're selling it
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That's because you are / were connected to your home router which gives the prime your location based on IP. A better test would be to disconnect WIFI, disable location services and reboot, then test. You probably wont get the same results
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You're right! Now answer me this: why would I ever turn that off in the real world?
Google has mapped millions of Wifi SSIDs to assist with this very same thing. Half of all telephony GPS devices would have the same difficulty without it (especially since Google leases this information to Microsoft and Apple), my MyTouch 4G Slide included. Why would I not keep location services on?
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I will happily sign up for that dongle, but not without i see my screen light-bleed free. Made up my mind to be without it for a few weeks, maybe a month. If it takes longer than that, i'll ask for another one at the store.
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You're right! Now answer me this: why would I ever turn that off in the real world?
Google has mapped millions of Wifi SSIDs to assist with this very same thing. Half of all telephony GPS devices would have the same difficulty without it (especially since Google leases this information to Microsoft and Apple), my MyTouch 4G Slide included. Why would I not keep location services on?
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Why would you need gps if you had wifi? To check where in the house you are? Or which section of McDonald's you're in? If a device needs wifi for the "gps" to work then they might as well not call it a gps cause my Desktop can triangulate my position with wifi.
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Why would you need gps if you had wifi? To check where in the house you are? Or which section of McDonald's you're in? If a device needs wifi for the "gps" to work then they might as well not call it a gps cause my Desktop can triangulate my position with wifi.
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Who cares?
If the problem is solved because Wifi assists the GPS in finding a lock, then who cares? GPS in small devices isn't always going to work. I learned that 10 years ago when they sold only GPS USB dongles and it took forever to get a good lock. Turning Wifi on takes care of the issue.
Look, I get it. We all want our devices to work perfectly. My desktop doesn't handle two video cards easily. My video card doesn't handle TV relay (like Slingbox) well. My phone doesn't have a dedicated number row on the slide out keyboard. My A500 was a bit bulky. My Sony BluRay speaker system sometimes has a delay. My Insignia LED TV doesn't handle Xbox great. My Astro A40s bleed through batteries.
Welcome to technology. If you don't work in IT, let me give you a heads up: nothing ever works 100%, 100% of the time.
Just consider yourself lucky it's the GPS with your tablet, something so absurd to make use of on a tablet anyway.
And if you're still bothered by the whole "Asus sold us a load of crap" concern, well, this is life. This won't be the last time that happens. And honestly, I agree with that other poster; if it didn't have GPS in the description or on the package, would you have refused to buy it? Google's ingenious SSID mapping has made geolocation so much faster and efficient (unless you live in the backwoods).
I'm sorry, I don't aim to be mean or anything, but this is ridiculous. It's semantics. If it works, it works. Is the world going to end because you have to turn on Wifi to lock quicker?
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Anyone else having problems with ASUS' quality website where it doesn't recognize your serial number?
I swear, ASUS sucks at customer service and I think the PRIME is my last ASUS product ever. Unfortunate.
im just asking bc I have a Sgt10.1 and looking to upgrade. I wouldn't like to buy a defective product. I can't decide to get prime or ipad3.
Windiddy said:
im just asking bc I have a Sgt10.1 and looking to upgrade. I wouldn't like to buy a defective product. I can't decide to get prime or ipad3.
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It turns out, if you're a normal human being and don't mind running Wifi alongside your GPS (like most people run their phones), you'll be absolutely perfect. Only if you're a stickler for no reason will you have a problem.
I am learning over the past 24 hours that people are making a big deal over GPS because they are too stubborn to make the modern-era change of running Wifi alongside GPS. If you have no problem doing that (like a normal person), then you'll be perfectly fine.
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Buy and ipad3. Stay away from the TF201. It sucks in many ways, the only good thing it has going for it is the quad core and the screen. Wi-fi - SUCKS, GPS - SUCKS.
I don't mind that GPS sucks (actually never ever got a lock on once), but when Wi-Fi sucks when you are 10 feet from the router. That's a huge problem. I cannot even sit on my sofa and use the TF201. My Xooms, no problem. I can even go 70ft away with the Xoom and no problem. TF201, about 4 1/2 feet then it takes a DUMP.
For the price the ipad3 will give you a much better user experience. TF201 as far as I am concerned is a defect. LEMON.
ASUS won't even let me click to get the free dongle.
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It turns out, if you're a normal human being and don't mind running Wifi alongside your GPS (like most people run their phones), you'll be absolutely perfect. Only if you're a stickler for no reason will you have a problem.
I am learning over the past 24 hours that people are making a big deal over GPS because they are too stubborn to make the modern-era change of running Wifi alongside GPS. If you have no problem doing that (like a normal person), then you'll be perfectly fine.
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I totally agree! I personally don't see what the big deal is. I get a location lock when using Google Maps, as an example. I don't see why anyone needs to have a constant gps lock all of the time. I'm not getting it. I have my Rezound and Tom Tom if I need door to door direction.
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rorytmeadows said:
Who cares?
If the problem is solved because Wifi assists the GPS in finding a lock, then who cares? GPS in small devices isn't always going to work. I learned that 10 years ago when they sold only GPS USB dongles and it took forever to get a good lock. Turning Wifi on takes care of the issue.
Look, I get it. We all want our devices to work perfectly. My desktop doesn't handle two video cards easily. My video card doesn't handle TV relay (like Slingbox) well. My phone doesn't have a dedicated number row on the slide out keyboard. My A500 was a bit bulky. My Sony BluRay speaker system sometimes has a delay. My Insignia LED TV doesn't handle Xbox great. My Astro A40s bleed through batteries.
Welcome to technology. If you don't work in IT, let me give you a heads up: nothing ever works 100%, 100% of the time.
Just consider yourself lucky it's the GPS with your tablet, something so absurd to make use of on a tablet anyway.
And if you're still bothered by the whole "Asus sold us a load of crap" concern, well, this is life. This won't be the last time that happens. And honestly, I agree with that other poster; if it didn't have GPS in the description or on the package, would you have refused to buy it? Google's ingenious SSID mapping has made geolocation so much faster and efficient (unless you live in the backwoods).
I'm sorry, I don't aim to be mean or anything, but this is ridiculous. It's semantics. If it works, it works. Is the world going to end because you have to turn on Wifi to lock quicker?
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That is stupid. Do you work for ASUS? If the tablet didn't have a camera would I still have bought it? Yes. But if I bought it and they told me "lol the camera is actually fake, we didn't think you would use it." then would I give them hell for it? Yes. As far as I know, people use gps on their phones for turn by turn without internet and it works fine. So I am not sure what you mean by gps won't always work in small devices. As far as I am concerned the TFP is bigger than many GPS devices on the market.
BTW, there is a difference between needing wifi to get a faster lock (aka AGPS) versus using wifi to triangulate one's position (aka the internet). I don't get what your deal is that just because you don't use the gps on the tablet then you think that it is absurd. If no one uses it then why did they put gps on the tablet in the first place? Why does Apple put gps on their 3G iPads if no one uses them?
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I am learning over the past 24 hours that people are making a big deal over GPS because they are too stubborn to make the modern-era change of running Wifi alongside GPS. If you have no problem doing that (like a normal person), then you'll be perfectly fine.
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That is tragic. Looks like the modern era is actually degrading. I guess eventually we will have to connect our phones to a cable to make a phone call and then start writing each other letters. Looks like we rather burn the battery and data on our phone unlike the abnormal people who have phones with gps that actually receives signals from satellites rather than using wifi to triangulate the position.
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I totally agree! I personally don't see what the big deal is. I get a location lock when using Google Maps, as an example. I don't see why anyone needs to have a constant gps lock all of the time. I'm not getting it. I have my Rezound and Tom Tom if I need door to door direction.
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Yea you personally don't. But don't talk for others.
I am either returning my Prime today or trading it for another (one more time). I have had to exchange at best buy a couple of times due to the horrible screen tearing on the first one in gallery, camera and several other apps. Second prime the bottom of the screen died in less than 3 days and would never come back. Factory reset/ cold boot/ soft boot/ you name it. So now im on my third prime and i am still getting artifacts on my home screen and other apps. I have done the whole factory rest, install from sd, cold boot, soft boot, and nothing will stop this dang artifacting. Is this a common problem with the prime and i should expect it from ALL primes, or am i a victim of bad luck and should try another prime? If the majority has issues with this, i am returning it, but if the majority never experiences it i would love to exchange it and get a good working tab that i can keep. Not to keen on anything else until the S4 Krait hits tabs.
thanks for as many replies as possible as i hope to get a good number of responses so i can determine if its a flaw in all primes or just the ones i have had the fortune of using.
Thanks for your time!
Edit, here is a test that anyone with the app can try and reproduce.
C4 Here and have them happen sporadically and easily produced in several apps and launcher. Beautiful widgets is the easiest. I have been wanting someone to test this but haven't had any luck. Just set the beautiful widget forecast (last widget in the list of BW's) on any screen. tap the widget to access the animated graphics. If you location does not have the moving clouds change it to San Diego as it has been cloudy here for a couple of weeks. While the clouds are moving click either the clock or the recent apps button and usually within seconds you will start getting severe artifacts. I have been able to reproduce this on every prime i have gotten my hands on. I also get screen tearing/flickering in androbench pretty regularly but it is different than the artifact. My first prime, before i had it replaced suffered horribly from the left hand side of the screen turning static in camera and other apps. After that replacement my prime and those i have access to suffer the artifacts on .28 in several apps. Someone please try the BW scenario to a tee and give it about 30 seconds at most and see if you receive the artifacts.
I can't blame the BW app though as i have it happen more randomly in several apps, its just that i can reproduce it easily with the BW animation.
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mine stopped for now. ever since I did a manual reinstallation of the firmware & did a full wipe, only saw it 2 times on random occasions. Gone after a reboot.
p/s : b4 reinstallation & wipe, reboot wouldnt solve a thing. the damn problem sticks around
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mine stopped for now. ever since I did a manual reinstallation of the firmware & did a full wipe, only saw it 2 times of random occasions. Gone after a reboot.
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Thanks! That is exactly what i am after, just some confirmation that it is a wide spread issue. I hate being picky, but my unit gets them pretty bad and i am holding out hopes that this doesn't affect all primes. Im gonna update the OP with a test if anyone else that reads this can try. It almost always forces screen artifacts that can't be reproduced on any of my other ICS tabs or phones.
Thanks again!
Also, i did the whole factory reset, installed via sd, hard boot, soft boot, and nothing gets rid of them...
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Thanks! That is exactly what i am after, just some confirmation that it is a wide spread issue. I hate being picky, but my unit gets them pretty bad and i am holding out hopes that this doesn't affect all primes. Im gonna update the OP with a test if anyone else that reads this can try. It almost always forces screen artifacts that can't be reproduced on any of my other ICS tabs or phones.
Thanks again!
Also, i did the whole factory reset, installed via sd, hard boot, soft boot, and nothing gets rid of them...
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This issue is a Graphics Driver Issue (I'm 99% Sure). It was almost gone in .21 (I never had it). The graphic drivers was cleaned up in this latest patch, and after that some users have been having this issue.
It's just a buggy driver / incompatibility with some apps.
No ;l
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Are you saying you have never had the issue?
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Are you saying you have never had the issue?
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not really. I had it maybe once or twice. it was either from an update or overclocking. the home screen icon and recent apps looked like it was glitching. I rebooted the prime n never seen it again. I wouldn't call that a display issue. Only a 1 time thing. never had anything like you described where bottom of screen or whatever died out on me.
Overall, I've been very satisfied with my prime display. its been performing fine for me. very responsive.
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not really. I had it maybe once or twice. it was either from an update or overclocking. the home screen icon and recent apps looked like it was glitching. I rebooted the prime n never seen it again. I wouldn't call that a display issue. Only a 1 time thing. never had anything like you described where bottom of screen or whatever died out on me.
Overall, I've been very satisfied with my prime display. its been performing fine for me. very responsive.
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That gives me hope, I wonder if i should try replacing the one i have once more. The screen tearing is the only think keeping this from being a perfect pad for me. I get the tearing in androbench, my home screen, weather forecast and even when unlocking my prime. Also, after following your recommendations on improving performance, all i can say is wow, made it a new machine (-minus the screen artifacts that have always been there even on .21.) So, in your opinion, do you think i have a lemon and my problem is specific to my prime and should replace it? or do you think this is a common problem and should just return it?
Was very curious and decided to check it myself, but sorry mate, I wasn't able to reproduce it on beautifull widget. DO you have another app I could try to reproduce the issue ?
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I have the same problem with Apex Launcher the left side of the screen starts to glitch and the only solution is to restart. It goes away for some time but after a while it comes back. I figured it's a software issue and just stopped using apex launcher. I'm curious if the problem is still there with some of the non-stock roms, but if it's the graphics driver I presume it's there ... Let's hope that with the next update things are going to be better.
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I have the same problem with Apex Launcher the left side of the screen starts to glitch and the only solution is to restart. It goes away for some time but after a while it comes back. I figured it's a software issue and just stopped using apex launcher. I'm curious if the problem is still there with some of the non-stock roms, but if it's the graphics driver I presume it's there ... Let's hope that with the next update things are going to be better.
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The cheap solution when using Apex is to just rotate the screen, scroll and rotate it back... it will get rid of it
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Was very curious and decided to check it myself, but sorry mate, I wasn't able to reproduce it on beautifull widget. DO you have another app I could try to reproduce the issue ?
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It only does it for me if the weather forecast is cloudy.( which it has been here lately) lol. Change your location to Miami or San Diego as they are having some bad/cloudy weather. Once you have a location set with "mostly cloudy" conditions, watch how choppy the clouds move when you click on the widget for the forecast. While the clouds are scrolling, open settings by clicking the clock in the lower corner, let it expand, and just wait. Within seconds my screen will start artifacting all over the place.
Also, thanks and thanked!
Have a BCOKA unit purchased in Dec 2011 (received in Jan) and have never experienced any sort of screen artifacts or tearing. BW weather forecast screen has been showing clouds flowing across the screen for 15 minutes now and still going smoothly.
I've never had tearing or artifacts and I have an old Prime (BCOKAS arrive Dec. 27th, 2011).
I did have all the blacks on my screen turn red (search for my thread) and had to RMA for that to get fixed but it turned out to be a hardware problem and Asus replaced my main board. I don't think this is a problemwith all Primes though. Maybe you'll get a better one this time. Good luck man.
The screen tearing is not the Prime's hardware - it's Asus and their incompetence in putting out decent firmwares. I can just about guarantee this is the situation. I had my Prime since launch. It had terrible screen tearing when I first got it. One of their early firmware updates just about completely solved the issue, and it was working great all the way through .21. Then, as soon as I installed the .28 update, the screen tearing and artifacting came back again. So like I said, it's definitely not a faulty prime (hardware wise). I'd suggest either keeping your Prime and waiting for an update that fixes this, or just returning it and getting another tablet.
As for some of the other issues caused by Asus using a garbage LCD, such as LCD mura (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1550530), screen bleeding, and dead/stuck pixels, that's another story.
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That gives me hope, I wonder if i should try replacing the one i have once more. The screen tearing is the only think keeping this from being a perfect pad for me. I get the tearing in androbench, my home screen, weather forecast and even when unlocking my prime. Also, after following your recommendations on improving performance, all i can say is wow, made it a new machine (-minus the screen artifacts that have always been there even on .21.) So, in your opinion, do you think i have a lemon and my problem is specific to my prime and should replace it? or do you think this is a common problem and should just return it?
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I tried your BW test. the animations look and move great on my prime. I let it sit and no screen artifacts turned up. I did see in the options for BW that it said animations were an experimental feature and could cause possible issues. but none on mines though.
as for your situation, I'm not sure. I would say try exchanging again. but I'm starting to think if its maybe an app or combo of apps you have that's causing this. so this happens randomly, no matter what you are doing or app you're using? or is this only occurring when using certain apps or whatever? its kinda sounding like its your apps. did your prime do this immediately out the box brand new? or did this only start occurring after you installed certain apps or Widgets?
just curious, you don't have force gpu on in developer options, do you? that has caused similar issues before.
like previous poster said, I think this is a software issue. which will be solved through an update. maybe even try a manual install of update through Asus website. its a more thorough install.
After .28 I had some of this but none since words with friends put out the update. No doubt a combination of running processes, video drivers and in my case ezoverclock.
Not all Prime have this issue... however, there are enough that DO have this issue.
Just return the device.... don't decide based on what the "future" update will do.. or hopefully will do.
Don't even bother taking a chance.
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I tried your BW test. the animations look and move great on my prime. I let it sit and no screen artifacts turned up. I did see in the options for BW that it said animations were an experimental feature and could cause possible issues. but none on mines though.
as for your situation, I'm not sure. I would say try exchanging again. but I'm starting to think if its maybe an app or combo of apps you have that's causing this. so this happens randomly, no matter what you are doing or app you're using? or is this only occurring when using certain apps or whatever? its kinda sounding like its your apps. did your prime do this immediately out the box brand new? or did this only start occurring after you installed certain apps or Widgets?
just curious, you don't have force gpu on in developer options, do you? that has caused similar issues before.
like previous poster said, I think this is a software issue. which will be solved through an update. maybe even try a manual install of update through Asus website. its a more thorough install.
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Glad you are helping so here are the steps i have taken. I do a lot of research before i post as to limit the amount of time i need to take up. I too thought the app was an incompatibility until i went through the process of removing and formatting my SD card and placing the update zip from ASUS. Booted into what i would call bootloader and factory reset my prime. Once booted, i inserted the sdcard and the went through the upgrade process. Once done i skipped login and allowed the system to settle and then did a hard reboot followed by a soft reboot. I then choose to not restore my apps and only downloaded the BW widget. once opened and set to a location where it was cloudy, clicked the settings launcher and expanded by clicking the clock, which left the animation in the background and within 10- 15 seconds the artifacts became worse and worse. Entire sections of the screen would turn white or green for a split second. I removed the app and downloaded other apps one at a time and found that i would get the same flicker/glitch when using androbench. Also had and issue, when using the gallery, that the screen started scrolling white horizontal lines and slowed to a halt before rebooting. I recently had to travel to San Diego for a week, (poor me) and had my girlfriend go by BB and outright buy another tablet and as i couldn't trust the one i had and figured i would return whichever one worked (Money isn't an issue, just want this prime's display to behave.) Well, as soon as i unboxed it, logged in, allowed it to update, downloaded BW as a test and guess what, same flicker. Granted neither of these had the issues the first two Primes i had to exchange had, when half or most of the screen either went to static or completely quit responding/working.
Now to the interesting part. Both Primes in my possession when i returned home i could test further. I went through the same process of manually wiping, wiping, updating, HB/SB, FR yada yada and only installed the BW app and both Primes behaved the exact same way. As soon as i would expand the recent apps or settings overlay the screen would start to produce odd geometric shapes and would continue every few seconds (the flash is noticeable but quick). Now some good news. The prime i currently have was kept for a few reasons. THE GPS WORKS WELL!!! I have no issues with WIFI, 3/4 bars from70 ft connected to a Cisco 1262. Streaming Netflix with a set of slim JB Bluetooth headsets is a breeze. All of my games (Nova 3, Adrenaline6, Gun Bros, and multiple others play wonderfully and i can honestly say i have never had a game reset/ act funny/ or ANR. My browser would occasionally ANR but it wasn't too bad. The Prime i bought in San Diego would not get a gps signal sitting beside the prime i kept that was getting 10 satellites. Wifi on one prime was -84 in a location that my current prime gets a -66 with a 72Mbps connection. Games would force close on the other prime, Browser would just randomly close. SOD EVERY MORNING. So needless to say i returned it and kept the current one i have. I have tested all i know to test, and no, i don't have force gpu ticked. I have worked with Android for a while and have a Xoom running EOS that doesn't suffer any of the mentioned problems. (one heck of a tablet i might add). But as someone who travels a lot, and the work i do, this can be my laptop replacement.
So all in all i have a tablet that works wonderfully in every area except the fact that it will (at will) artifact/tear using BW animation. It will randomly artifact using Androbench, gallery, camera, quadrant, and both stock launcher and apex pro. Last and notable thing is it seems to do it less if i set the brightness to a static level, say 50%. All of this happens/ bone stock/ root/ no root. Currently running root with your build.prop, the atp app, and sio and this guy is rocking a lot better in the user experience (I/O)
Sorry for the rant, just giving all the info i have. No noob here and wish i could just unlock it and dive into it but cant do it as i don't know if it is hardware.
Thanks for all of the opinions and as soon as my thanking well replenishes i will thank those that i missed!
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Not all Prime have this issue... however, there are enough that DO have this issue.
Just return the device.... don't decide based on what the "future" update will do.. or hopefully will do.
Don't even bother taking a chance.
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Bro, i know you have told me that and my gut says that what i should do as i have kinda been asking this same question in some of the other threads. Thought i would quit hi-jacking and create a post to just see how wide spread this is. I mean dang, i am on my 4th prim in exactly 30 days and only one of them functioned above 75 percent of expected performance. So scared that if i replace it again, i will be out of a 499 tablet as i will likely target practice with it with my 45. lol. Seriously though, i believe you got it right, too many of them have this problem. Sucky thing is i can seem to find an alternative that has what a really want, an S4 krait or a exynos quad and the same docking alternative that the prime has.
So you think there are primes out there that wouldn't have the screen issues i am having? I know i don't think anyone has said they have never experienced it.
Was this a problem when it was on GingerBread?
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Hi!
I was noticing issues a few days ago but never though they were phone related but I just did a test and the downloads speeds are horrible with Wifi. I mean .21mps and upload just scored 2.81Mb
On one random test it got about 8 download just 15 mins ago but after that is all super slow.
No idea what kind of settings I can tweak here.
In comparison a HTC Amaze gets 11Mb download in the same spot and even the horrible Wifi of the TF201 transformer Prime gets about 6Mb :/
Any suggestions?
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In my case it was the router.
Got a Linksys E2500 and now all my devices max out my internet speeds...happy ending!
Yup! I also noticed this after the 290 update, so it's definitely a software issue (thank god). I noticed around two weeks ago that my download speed was at 12 Mbps, which is what it should be at, but one day later it was at 7. So I logged on my 2.4GHz network instead of 5GHz, and it was back to normal... well, until it wasn't. It had gone down to 7 again. And that's how it's been for the past two weeks. I have no idea why this happens, but it is driving me crazy. It's nice to see that I'm not the only one with this issue though. It helps a little while to switch between the frequencies for me, but I'm getting really tired of it.
What router do you have? I have a Netgear something something..
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Got a Netgear 2.4Ghz kind of old by now and I wish I was getting 7 :/
Just changed to CH1 on the router, did a quick run and was getting about finally but then got a lost network connection error, ran it again and got .12 download! :/
In thought about trying Dogg ROM ...this si really annoying me now :/
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Got a Netgear 2.4Ghz kind of old by now and I wish I was getting 7 :/
Just changed to CH1 on the router, did a quick run and was getting about finally but then got a lost network connection error, ran it again and got .12 download! :/
In thought about trying Dogg ROM ...this si really annoying me now :/
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Alright, so you have a Netgear too. Interesting. But I didn't have any issues on 257, so it's kind of strange.
I'm completely blank, and I have no idea what the problem might be. How much data has AndroidOS used on your ZU on WiFi?
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How can you check data usage under Wifi only.. like maybe just restart it and let it sit to see what it is doing?
I am going to ask on the Dogg Rom thread what people is getting with Wifi too.
Go to data usage, tap the three dots and then "show WiFi usage".
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For today is showing 101MB Android OS
Right now it is getting into almost 4MB download and 5 upload so that is better than the .21s of before but it just keep changing all the time while my HTC Amaze gets almost 20Mb downloads! :/
I even though of getting a more modern router!
Ah, okay. AndroidOS here has used 3.8GB so far this month, which isn't normal at all. It should be around 50MB. It doesn't add up at all. What system service is using that much data? The answer is non, which makes this another mystery on my part.
I have read a lot about people having the same problem as me, but they also had really bad battery life and it's usually easy to catch the guilty service, but my battery is awesome and AndroidOS only uses data while I'm on Wi-Fi... Like what the hell...! I'm drawing complete blanks here
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Wow I just saw that from Jan 1 to Jan 9 I have 3.60GB of Android OS and 1.6GB of youtube...so that is more than double my actual Youtube Wifi usage! WTH :/
Gasp... I got almost 6GB Android OS usage in one week?!?! Wth...
On the other note, that is weird why your Amaze got better speed compared to ZU, perhaps there's some incompatibility between ZU and your router? I'm using Asus and it works just fine, just did a quick speedtest, and pretty much same speed between ZU on wifi and ethernet on PC, 55-58Mbps
Are you on stock .290 ROM? What router is that?
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Are you on stock .290 ROM? What router is that?
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Totally stock. 290, Asus RT N66U
Before, i was using Linksys E2000, wifi speed is only can reach half speed of ethernet.
And suddenly like at 11pm it started getting 16Mb down again and this morning it was still good...maybe my router is acting up indeed? I did try the HTC two more times like at 10pm and it dropped to about 6Mb compared to previous side to side tests where it was getting 16Mb and the Ultra only .21...yeah hard to track down the issue with so many random acts.
In any case, I am going to try a new router.
A local is selling a Linksys EA4500 for $75. If I can get it for $50, it should be an upgrade from what I got...I hope
I was getting just 1MBps of upload speed when sending my film through Wifi to my desktop. but when i change target (to my NAS) the speed is increased to 3MBps. I know it is still counted as slow, but just to inform that different target/source is another factor too.
LOL, take a look at this
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Now is that because of the sync of data, pictures, apps, etc to google?
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Now is that because of the sync of data, pictures, apps, etc to google?
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I don't sync my photos, apps etc. so it can't be that. I do have auto-sync on 24/7, but that's only gmail syncing and stuff like that. Automatic backup is disabled. The funny thing i noticed is that AndroidOS' data usage will increase whenever i use the YouTube app. Logic, not even once
Edit: Oh, and btw, regarding the WiFi issue we're both having, the upload/download speed is constantly at max on my computer, but not on the Ultra, so it has to be a software issue in 290.
I dont get it as other users do not have the same problem or so they claim.
I even asked on the Dogg Rom thread. And this morning suddenly mine was fine again. I am getting a new router to switch from 2.4 to 5 if that helps since at home there are too many close routers and too many wireless things.
Besides, many times I have to come home and uplug the router and plug back in for the wireless to connect so I am fed up with it
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I dont get it as other users do not have the same problem or so they claim.
I even asked on the Dogg Rom thread. And this morning suddenly mine was fine again. I am getting a new router to switch from 2.4 to 5 if that helps since at home there are too many close routers and too many wireless things.
Besides, many times I have to come home and uplug the router and plug back in for the wireless to connect so I am fed up with it
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Yeah, it's strange that we're the only ones with this problem, and we both have Netgear routers I should probably move my router around and see if that makes a difference. It's currently sitting next to my TV and a lot of other gadgets, which isn't that smart
I have an oldie Netgear but someone is selling the wndr3400 for $40 local. Maybe I will give it a shot.