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Hi All,
My HD2 just came back from repair.
I sent it in a hope that they will change my buggy screen (like lot of people, the touch function is buggy. Sometimes doesn't react, sometimes it feels a pressure while i don't press it, sometimes it works well... ).
Anyway, of course they didn't change any screen...and i just missed my HD2 for 2 weeks.
They did a Hard reset and installed all the HotFIx. Which i bet won't fix any issue that i have with the screen.
However, i do notice they installed a hotfix i never heard about yet:
LEO08787.exe
Does anyone have ever heard about it and what it does ???
send it back again and demand a replacement screen since it is a known fault with the original screens. They are just trying to get out of paying for the new screen.
regarding the hotfix nope, havent heard of it, but I dont track the hotfix versions so it may be a known one
ok lets install this and see how it goes..
hope its not a bogus file with some virus inside ...
HTC repair center SUCKS big time.
@kaemon: i also had that problems (sometimes the screen just wouldn't react to my touch) and i brought it to my reseller so they sent it to repair center and it come back untouched, they've only done the screen calibration which i have done dozen times. And it took them 16 days to do that. i'm definitely buying an iphone next time.
Unreleased hotfix
Apparently this is an (as yet) unreleased HotFix for the HD2, that is designed to correct some issues with the touchscreen. POCKETNOW.COM have tested this hotfix and found that it "drastically improved" the typing on the touchscreen, and also cured the HD2s alleged inability to draw a straight line when in Notes.
(Please note, I have not tested this yet, as I havn't suffered any such problems on my HD2, but I'm sure a quick check on their website will find you the page in question, which contains a link to the hotfix).
Pocketnow seem to think it's pretty decent. I'll give it a go.
Just installed it.. And I got to say i reckon typing maybe more accurate! not completely sure as time will tell. Installed on a Euro version about 5 months old, certainly the lines in Note are not like an ECG any more so
direct link for those who want it
http://www.mediafire.com/?kjmeyleaewz
IMO this is by far the best HotFix I ever installed. Typing works massively improved for me (also on the PIN-unlock-screen). I'm currently on German stock ROM.
So what do you reckon? Worth installing? Can it be uninstalled?
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Just seen the two replies above - sounds good! I'm going to give it a try and will report back.
Tried it but didnt like it, it made my screen unresponsive and the ui jerky.
Installed after reading the Pocketnow tweet but uninstalled about 5 minutes later.
Screen became very unrespsonsive and massive slow down in scrolling.
Seems to be a 50/50 split.
Give it a try though
ROM: 1.66 WWE
madpete said:
Tried it but didnt like it, it made my screen unresponsive and the ui jerky.
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definately a little less responsive to some touches, i'm just tweaking slightly with HD2tweak and see if that makes a difference....
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I wonder if this hotfix is just changing a reg key, the same as BsB tweaks to decrease the screen sensitivity or if it is actually a driver?
Ive just changed the screen sensitivity in HD2tweak to very high and it seems to have eliminated the unresponsive touches but remains much better with typing accuracy? I would love to know what this .exe actually does within the system..maybe someone more clever than me can take it apart and see whats inside.
oh yeah running a tmous 2.13 Rom on a euro Leo if thats any help
Well I tried it....
EVen though I didn't suffer from any problems with the touchscreen on my HD2, I thought I'd give it a go, and set myself a couple of tests.
1) I used "notes.exe" and tried to draw 5 straight lines, and got five slightly curved and wavy lines.
2) I typed a message "this will test how accurate my keypad is or how bad my typing is", and had to correct three mistypes/mistakes.
I then installed the hotfix, and tried both tests again....
1) Five pretty straight lines, certainly better than before
2) typed the same message, and only one correction.
So, based on the 5 mins since I installed, it seems that this fix DOES make an improvement. I'll keep monitoring it and report back to let you know.
too bad it doesn't work for the US version
josemedina1983 said:
too bad it doesn't work for the US version
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i just tried the same thing...
after the latest update from TMOUS, my typing has been terrible. swype is unstable too.
gonna flash the latest energy rom. that should help.
if we're going to be posting feedback, can i suggest that those who try it also report the manufacturing dates of their devices (if known to them)? at the very least, do report what screen type is on the device. what i am referring to is the fact that the hd2 ships with TWO kinds of screens. earlier models shipped with a screen with fewer "dots" while the newly manufactured devices ship with a screen with noticeably more "dots" (these additional brighter dots are visible on the intersections of the criss-cross "lines").
i personally have the newer model and i have no problems whatsoever. notes always draws straight lines and typing is accurate out of the box.
"This hotfix is not compatible with your device."
"This hotfix is not compatible with your device."
Using NRGZ28 EnergyROM.
it work very well for me
sure it's less responsive :/
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Tried it but didnt like it, it made my screen unresponsive and the ui jerky.
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Same here, might give it a little bedding in period but I'm already thinking about uninstalling it
I just installed this and it has improved the accuracy of typing on the keyboard especially at speed. I can touch type (badly) so with any qwerty keyboard i can do 100 ish words a minute. Before every other word had to be corrected but my test sentence "this is a test to see if the keyboard accuracy has been improved at speed" needed not one. Line drawing is still too accurate (that was the problem before. it is impossible for a human to draw a perfect straight line free hand) but it is better. I've also noticed in my typing test that the contact i used to test the htc messaging app load speed (contact has currently 2481 messages associated with it) was massively improved. I have no idea if this is related but this patch appears to have done something to it. I'll keep an eye on that just to see if the effect is because my phone just had it's first reboot in 8 days or not.
Done some quick further testing on the Messaging app load speed and it appears that either the way the message database is loaded has been changed (instead of loading them one by one it seems to loading them all in one big chunk) or the graphics driver has been updated (reading this i'm not sure if it's not the undefined option 3) but something is definitely different there because whether it's 2500 messages or 10 the load time is now the same and faster than before.
Something weird is defintely up with this hotfix and i bet it includes more than just a touch screen update too.
Hey guys,
I'm between classes so I can't do a more thorough search. I had an issue this morning where the screen would flicker but ONLY teh menu bar would flicker mostly. It looks like a gruesome mess up where it just turns into static momentarily and flickers on/off like that every few seconds. The menu bar also moves up and down very slightly, maybe by 10 or so pixels each time, when it's not doing that. I also tried opening the clock menu (bottom right) and that would flash on/off, every second, but if i touched something on it, it would stay solid sometimes.
The "gruesome mess up" with static happened rarely (compared to how often the menu bar was glitching) on my screen.
My mouse pointer also started flashing at one point and became unresponsive. It would also sometimes disappear entirely until i clicked my usb mouse or moved the touchpad (tablet was docked).
i had similar glitchy issues last week, but it lasted for less than a minute or two and didn't happen very often. this lasted for a good 30 mins today.
i wasn't able to snag a movie of this since i was in a meeting. i'll try to get one up later
has anyone else seen anything like this? I watched videos of other screen issues people had and this didn't look anything like this. other than this issue and ****ty gps, i don't have any issues with my prime. I'm planning on contacting tiger direct later in the afternoon as I have 2 days left in my 14 day period.
any feedback would be appreciated!
Just try rebooting device to see if it clears. If not a factory reset. Maybe a bad app or something causing it to glitch like that. Sounds more like a SW bug.
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Just try rebooting device to see if it clears. If not a factory reset. Maybe a bad app or something causing it to glitch like that. Sounds more like a SW bug.
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i rebooted it and i'm using my laptop for the time being. if it comes back, i'll definitely report back. only apps that were running were the usual apps that come bundled with it (ie maps, NV stuff), volume+ and repligo pdf reader.
clearing my recent apps didnt do anything and nothing else was running.
i also did a factory reset last weekend (not yesterday/sat but the weekend before).
if it keeps going, maybe i'll try to do a FDR again
I have the same problem. Most of the times it hapends in Opera. I also sometimes have a flicker when using the recent apps thing, than I have a triangle flicker...
Schutter said:
I have the same problem. Most of the times it hapends in Opera. I also sometimes have a flicker when using the recent apps thing, than I have a triangle flicker...
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how often do you get it?
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I've had this happen as well, though only since the .11 update.
Happens infrequently and rarely bad enough to prevent continual use of the tablet. Maybe.. 2 or 3 times it was so bad that I've just rebooted the tablet to clear it. Other times its more annoying artifact problems(the scatter, or the occasional random white triangle when using the app switcher).
Specifically I've seen the vertical shifting of the bottom menu bar, as well as screen scatter (looks like static or interference). The scatter occurs predominantly on the left 1" or so of the screen and only on screens where I can scroll up and down (not the home screen, for instance). I also have the aforementioned app switcher graphical glitch.
Had the device a month, this is the first (and only) problem I've had. I'm assuming its an issue with the last update and just waiting to see if the next one clears it (aside from mentioning it in relevant threads here).
If the next update doesn't clear it, I'll get it touch with Asus.
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I've had this happen as well, though only since the .11 update.
Happens infrequently and rarely bad enough to prevent continual use of the tablet. Maybe.. 2 or 3 times it was so bad that I've just rebooted the tablet to clear it. Other times its more annoying artifact problems(the scatter, or the occasional random white triangle when using the app switcher).
Specifically I've seen the vertical shifting of the bottom menu bar, as well as screen scatter (looks like static or interference). The scatter occurs predominantly on the left 1" or so of the screen and only on screens where I can scroll up and down (not the home screen, for instance). I also have the aforementioned app switcher graphical glitch.
Had the device a month, this is the first (and only) problem I've had. I'm assuming its an issue with the last update and just waiting to see if the next one clears it (aside from mentioning it in relevant threads here).
If the next update doesn't clear it, I'll get it touch with Asus.
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Great, thanks for the info. I was perusing my tablet settings, dev settings rather, and saw that I checked "Force GPU rendering". Do you have this enabled as well? Maybe that might have something to do with it for incompatible apps?
I do not have "Force GPU rendering" checked. I have tired it with both checked and unchecked and experienced the problem both ways. FWIW.
I have personally experienced a few different types of screen flickering that seem to cause graphical tears on-screen.
One causes a strange triangular shape on the bottom, left-hand side of the screen.
Another causes weird lines that appear, then disappear quickly... which eventually leads to the screen bobbing every few seconds.
Any insight, folks?
Sent from the last remaining Prime.
denelor said:
I do not have "Force GPU rendering" checked. I have tired it with both checked and unchecked and experienced the problem both ways. FWIW.
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Hm interesting. Does it ONLY happen while you're in opera? This seems to only happen to me in RepliGo Reader
Reignzone said:
I have personally experienced a few different types of screen flickering that seem to cause graphical tears on-screen.
One causes a strange triangular shape on the bottom, left-hand side of the screen.
Another causes weird lines that appear, then disappear quickly... which eventually leads to the screen bobbing every few seconds.
Any insight, folks?
Sent from the last remaining Prime.
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No, sorry
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Hm interesting. Does it ONLY happen while you're in opera? This seems to only happen to me in RepliGo Reader
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The screen static happens in nearly any app that that requires vertical scrolling (ie, content is off the page). I've noticed it most frequently in the stock browser, Repligo, and Word2Go. But those are the areas where I spend the majority of my time.
The app switcher graphical glitch can happen no matter where I am, but doesn't happen every time and in no consistent pattern I can find.
Likewise, the jittering of the notification bar can happen in any app or none at all.
After installing 9.4.2.13 and then using my TFP for about six hours I've yet to encounter any of the issues I had with .11 that are listed in this thread. The issues may resurface, but six hours is much longer than I used to go without seeing a graphical glitch (especially the task switcher one).
Updated to .13 yeterday and still have graphic glitches:
1) Triangle - while pressing "Recent apps" button
youtu.be/2yQ7THiWO8g
only happens with maximum performance mode on and >7 apps in recent list
(and not sure but seem like it anly happens in landscape mode)
2) Keyboard glitch - while running Youtube "3D-wall"
youtu.be/piSJOUaDHsQ
Not only keyboard flickers but the bar at the top also
Having this issues since the first update to ICS. 3.2.2 -> 4.0.3, done full wipe - did not help
Check the videos I've made with .11 installed, and .13 did not fix 'em (have not done full wipe after updating to .13 yet).
sterpazook said:
Updated to .13 yeterday and still have graphic glitches:
1) Triangle - while pressing "Recent apps" button
youtu.be/2yQ7THiWO8g
only happens with maximum performance mode on and >7 apps in recent list
(and not sure but seem like it anly happens in landscape mode)
2) Keyboard glitch - while running Youtube "3D-wall"
youtu.be/piSJOUaDHsQ
Not only keyboard flickers but the bar at the top also
Having this issues since the first update to ICS. 3.2.2 -> 4.0.3, done full wipe - did not help
Check the videos I've made with .11 installed, and .13 did not fix 'em (have not done full wipe after updating to .13 yet).
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that stinks man :\
glad to report here that my issues seem to be gone 24+ hours after the update
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using xda premium
nhshah7 said:
that stinks man :\
glad to report here that my issues seem to be gone 24+ hours after the update
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using xda premium
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Seems to be back on the newest update :-(
Sent from my Inspire 4G using xda premium
Here is what would be good
I have experienced the bobbing, and other than that just a super quick static thing, where a thin line runs through the screen,very quickly, seems to change position quickly, and then it's gone. Almost looks like a vertical version of the horizontal static you might occasionally see on a television.
As I say, it happens very infrequently, so I have had no reason to go looking for a solution. I'll tell you what I WOULD like to see, though. Wouldn't it be great if Asus started including (or posting shortly after) a changelog or fixlist for the many updates they have been getting out for the Prime.
I understand these are maintenance updates and that Asus is seeking solutions for spontaneous rebooting, wifi and bluetooth throughput issues and so on. That's great and it is particularly amazing to see Gary getting beta firmware for XDA members to test. It just doesn't get better than that (short of not having issues in the 1st place)
The reason I am calling for (well, asking) some type of changelog is, it would help those without particular issues make an informed decision whether or not to even APPLY a particular update.
I know that Asus is not likely to want to air dirty laundry, such as engineering observations such as why something broke in previous code, nor would they want to give away any proprietary info of Asus or Nvidia, but a basic description of whats in the package would be super useful. I.E. : "Second attempt (or attempt B) to fix screen banding is in this release.
Asus seems to be leading the charge in the industry in terms of "working closely with end users" albeit somewhat out of necessity. ANY company as big as Asus willing to allow beta testing amoung users is amazing, regardless of the fact that they needed to do SOMETHING to get a handle on these issues.
My final point is that while Asus does not want a piecemeal approach, with different FW versions floating about, there is definitely an inconsistent result to EVERY Firmware package that has been released. Does that hint that there are subtle hardware differences to you? It does to me. No matter how minute the differences are, and whether they are component revisions, manufacturing inconsistencies or whatnot, this is what it looks like to me.
Asus does not want this to be known. Illustrated by Gary's statement in the now widespread interview he did. He specifically said there have been NO hardware changes since release.
Why would he say that if it were not true? I wondered the same thing since another Asus Support Manager told me something quite different. I am NOT one for conspiracy theories, but there is a much simpler explanation. If the serial numbers are truly sequential, then a "C1 would indicate that it is from the second 100k numbered units. I have onlya wild guess that this is correct, so on that part, I am truly being speculative. BUT, whatever the number is, lets justsay that the BCOKAS Serials - The first ones, of which I had one (My replacement is a C1) are MANY. Whatever the number, do you think Asus would want it to be public knowledge that they changed or improved (or worsened, lets admit) some hardware on the newer serial numbers?
Picture the amount of people who would now be demanding the newer hardware. Not everyone, not even MOST customers, but enough that it would be extremely expensive to have this happen. Like I said, I am not a conspiracy guy, but this just seems to make sense. Anyone agree with that statement?
Just food for thought.
Well, GOTTA LOVE THIS!
so i just spent about an hour and a half typing in a complete breakdown of everything i noticed about a new TP i had been deliberating on opening due to days of reading posts about the negatives and lo and behold I decide to open it and type a HUGE report about everything that I have noticed through the few hours i've had it working and i decided to yeah post it even adding "now watch as it deletes this whole thing" so i decide to CTRL+A and copy...
DONT DO THAT! apparantly it ONLY copies the outlying information not in this box where i'm typing now and when i tried to submit it, it says i'm not logged in... well i tried logging in and ctrl V and bam it gives me the top portion of the thread page FML first MAJOR issue with the damn tab is a PEBCAK but w/e we only learn from mistakes sometimes. i will be posting a long thread about the things that i've come across with this device for any people out there who are on the fence regarding this new TP with the current serial number in the champagne style.
sadly i'd covered GPS, WIFI, the docking station issues, serial number location, installed version of AOS, and about 6 other topics that my bloodpressure currently will not let me remember bleh.
so since this thread is for anyone with any questions on a C10KAS model with the champagne style keyboard please feel free to ask below. i will be typing up a new post and saving it on my asus laptop when i get time again later and try to cover all the topics i did in the original post.
This device has NOT been upgraded past the installed 3.2.1 and wont until all queries have been addressed so as to help the majority of the users and possible future users come to decissions before irreversible changes have occurred.
sorry to sound flaming a bit but man am i ticked that i actually TRIED to save the darn thing and it still backfired, but se la vie and such is my lot in life. now i'll try to post this and hopefully find that it works
Trying Again...
Running by the [Guide] by Danny-B- i'm going to open this thread for the community to have the opportunity to ask away about the new TP i decided to finally open after watching it sit ever so quietly on my home-office desk.
Light Bleed
I noticed a very small amount of light bleed, barely any that would concern anyone really, thankfully i'd say functionally it's on par with what it should be.
Dead Pixels
None noticeable on moderate searching.
Serial Number -found?
Yep, it has the serial number registered so that's a plus.
GPS Reception
Nope. I used the QR code to get GPS Test and it shows a working compass and tilt sensor but all the readouts stayed zeroes for the 25 minutes i left it to run. I only have "Use GPS Satellites" ticked off in the location menu to test this, but also have to take into account that the test was performed indoors due to the fact that it's been snowing and raining all day so that in itself could be why the GPS function didnt work... Will retest when the weather is clear and i can get a good sky view.
*edit* crystal clear day today, not a cloud in the sky, not a gram of gps connection. i really dont need this but at least i know that the gps definitely doesn't work.
Wifi Reception
MIFI located up to 60 feet from device, since device will be in my pocket most of the time, the device should have no problems finding the signal as it's going to be only a foot or two from the tablet. Didn't notice any lag or lapse in the connectivity, it still worked Words With Friends as far as i can tell and that's the only program i will have installed aside from the QR Droid program for the testing of these issues. I did notice that the wifi signal was good but the quality of the rendering of youtube left me hoping for more, but the weather can play a huge role in this so i'm not too concerned and i can try this out moreso on a day when there's less inclement weather.
Dock/Keyboard Connection
Have to mention that the dock i purchased prior to getting the TP and i was very lucky to have gotten matching (both champagne models) as i wasnt sure what kind of tab was coming in the mail seeing as how they were pretty much recalled from every store i'd visited.
On my first attempt i was a little wary seeing as how the keyboard didnt seem to like the champ model so as i opened the box i was thinking this can still be a partial deal-breaker so we'll see.
Try #1 it pressed in and i heard a ding from the machine. no cursor opened i use the touch screen to open up the notepad and i can type, all the buttons and numbers worked but no cursor... curses! I undocked it.
Try #2 it pressed in and i gave it a little bit more oomph to see if that would help and i heard a satisfying "click" the cursor appeared it worked and i tried typing all buttons functioned properly.
Try #3 same thing, little oomph, click, cursor. so for this one, the matching champ models function properly when i give it a little extra push in until i hear a slight click.
Gyroscope
Up, Down, Left, Right, B A Start... anyway, all the directions worked and it grades in the GPS Test program down to a 2-4 degree reading so i'm fairly certain i will not have any issues with this part of the device.
Battery Conditioning
I charged it for the 8 hours, then plugged in the keyboard during the testing phase and left it plugged in until the keyboard battery read full. I have yet to test the quality of the battery life with and without the keyboard but I will keep you informed if this seems to be an issue as opposed to a non-issue
*update* well the dock is the primary source of the energy as it's supposed to be and it's been in full use browsing this forum and posting for 3 hours and it has gone down by only 25% ... i currently am HIGHLY impressed with the battery life.
Haptic Feedback
I got a mallard. Yes, i was thinking how could this thing sound like a duck but lo and behold the first time i turned it on i heard an audible "quack" to put it bluntly. I dont see this bothering me in the long run unless the vibration against the case's rear housing causes an issue with other parts, though the only time that i've noticed any haptic vibration is when powering it on. I dont notice any when typing on the screen or making selections so that may be switched off in the settings, i honestly havent played with any of the settings yet since i have only tried getting through the [GUIDE] piece by piece trying out things.
Firmware Updates
I will not be updating this until any questions members have, have died out. I wanted to create this thread so that everyone has the chance to ask questions about the Champagne model out of the box that runs 3.2.1. I do plan on updating to ICS in the near future but I also wanted people to get an idea of what this unit did straight-away. This model's serial is the C10KAS and came from Texas through an Office Depot "gmill" warehouse... an "other than the normal" warehouse per the store manager... who i had to finesse to get her to really try to locate one of these guys fyi.
Summary
I feel that i touched on a few more notes when i originally typed in this thread, but for the life of me i can't remember anything else to put in here.
The tablet is very responsive, Words with Friends gets a slight lag from time to time, but i'm not too worried about any gaming issues since this will be a work-related device and gaming is just a bonus if done at all.
I did notice that there is a minor lag when typing here in this box on the tab but i think that is to be expected as i noticed similar on my RAZR MAXX, Galaxy Nexus, and 4s.
Please, feel free to ask any questions or make any comments regarding this post. I want it to be as informative as possible to any people who have questions about a new TP before they are pretty much impossible to get.
interesting new development with internet
ok so here's a strange new development i've just noticed...
ANY link i click on, even to get to a new page of threads or to click reply...
ALL of them suddenly switched from opening within the original tab and moving on to the new page to now opening a separate tab on their own. i haven't done anything new with the tab, this all started just while accessing these forums on their own. i've tried a long press on them and select OPEN instead of OPEN IN NEW TAB, but everything keeps opening in new tabs, now i'm full of tabs on my screen.
any ideas on this one? strange how it would just stop working the way it was and start working this way all on it's own while just browsing this site. idk, i'm open to any suggestions.
*update* after clearing the cache and cookies it seems to have fixed this issue. nothing opens in new tabs now... im guessing it can only store so much before it forces you to new tab everything. just an fyi to everyone
Must.... try... to... resist.... ....Too .....STRONG.....!!!!
Well at least I have to say there it is now a posted answer for everyone asking how the new primes are running they are running the same. I have the C10k******* and its running about the same if not worse than my old Gray model, that was sent back about a month ago, because of the same issues. They aint going to get any better until Asucks fixes them, bottom line. Yeah there might be some that run perfect but you are the "Lucky Few" believe that. Us guys with the "this don't work models, were just screwed". well not actually I'm sending mine back and trying again. Or you can or deal with that issue that your prime has.
Mine has slight light bleed and poor WiFi, should I keep it? Still debating I got 14 days. But like I said in another post these will probably be easy refurbs to pick up soon. Asus probably has a full warehouse full of returned units, I believe my last unit I bought brand new sealed in box was a returned unit, I don't believe they are allowed to do this but I think they do in MY opinion. I don't think they are going to let a tablet that looks brand spanking new with just a WiFi issue sit there. lose $100-200 selling it as refurbished.
I believe they are boxing them back out and selling them as new. You wouldn't be able to tell, would you? All they got to do is clean it up real nice restore it put in new box, shrink wrap it again and, there are 100 brand new ones shipping to Best Buy as new. Then maybe they will get lucky and the person really doesn't know much about it, when they get it and they like it some much, it looks stunning, they can get a good signal in their bedroom, so they keep it. I'm telling you they are doing shady ****. Look at how they are treating us, a big F-U.
I know people who are giving it right back to them buying every model they find at the store if it doesn't work PERFECT. They are taking it back I know people that are on model 6 or 7 at least 5 or 6 people.
Where are all their refurbs selling at? I bet their return pile looks like a junkyard, That aint even funny for real. Asucks used to be a good company. They don't hold up to their standards anymore.
ASUS
JUST IN CASE SOMEONE FROM ASUCKS COMES BY, I IMAGINE THEY DO, WITH ALL THE PROBLEMS WITH THIS TABLET.
I THINK SOMEONE LIKE TEGRA OR GOOGLE ANDROID SHOULD BE ON THEIR ASS FOR THIS, REALLY TEGRA SHOULD BE MAD AS HELL.
JUST FIX THE PRIMES DO WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING, ITS THE BEST OPTION. IF NOT YOUR JUNKYARD IS GOING TO GET BIGGER AND BIGGER. AND DON'T BE SELLING ME SOMEONE ELSE'S USED SH*T, AS BRAND NEW.
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ASUS
JUST IN CASE SOMEONE FROM ASUCKS COMES BY, I IMAGINE THEY DO, WITH ALL THE PROBLEMS WITH THIS TABLET.
I THINK SOMEONE LIKE TEGRA OR GOOGLE ANDROID SHOULD BE ON THEIR ASS FOR THIS, REALLY TEGRA SHOULD BE MAD AS HELL.
JUST FIX THE PRIMES DO WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING, ITS THE BEST OPTION. IF NOT YOUR JUNKYARD IS GOING TO GET BIGGER AND BIGGER. AND DON'T BE SELLING ME SOMEONE ELSE'S USED SH*T, AS BRAND NEW.
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Erm, it's nVidia (or tegra as you seem to want to call them) that are providing the code that is f#cking up the Prime. Just thought you should know.
I got a couple questions if anyone can help out on any of them, Thanks, I will appreciate it a lot.
1. Does anyone have any recommendations on a light browser. Possibly one where I can click on the picture if I want to see it or something like that. just something more mobile and tether friendly.
2. Also need to know if anyone has ordered from Newegg and asked for a RMA, money refund . Then wanted the product again and asked for an exchange instead later? I already got my RMA but I'm thinking of calling them tomorrow and just asking for an exchange if they will do it. I was just wondering if anyone here has been through this before? Did they let you make the RMA changes? I think I might give The Prime one more shot.
3. Does light bleed get any worse or better over time?
I will have mine on Tuesday. cannot wait I heard the bleed issue goes away, for sure. It shouldn't take that long though. How long did you have it for?
About a week now. The bleed issue isn't too bad it really didn't even bother me until it was mentioned here in a post. Then I looked at mine with the app that was being discussed and found it bleed about a quarter inch out in 3 small spots on the right side of the screen. One spot is kinda bright the other two are just minor, so far. During usage of the tablet you cant even really tell unless your in your apps drawer or something all the way black is on the screen. I just don't want it to get any worse than it is right now.
I looked all over the internet and there seems to be fixes but I don't know what I'm going to do with this prime yet. I'm up and down, one minute I want to keep it the next I want to send it back. lol. Part of the reason I want to keep it is that each one I got was kinda hard to get because they were out of stock everywhere. But I just stumbled upon the two that I have had at major stores. Although I don't think that will be much of a problem before long, They are getting easier to get, so sending it back might be the best option.
Acer and Lenovo need to get theirs out soon, so Asus just cant dominate the market like they are, and pretty much saying screw you we are the only ones that got what you want. We don't have a choice if we want a Tegra 3 we got to get a prime. I think the next fastest tablet is the Samsung 8.9 clocked at 1.4 GHZ dual core, I wonder how far this will overclock. I got my HP Touchpad Dual Core at 1.9 overclocked and runs smooth. not one problem. What Asus needs is some competition, so ASucks wouldn't dominate the environment for Tegra 3.
Acer or Lenovo could come out right now and make a killing with all the problems with the prime, hopefully they are looking at this situation and get theirs to the market quick to take advantage of it. If they had a Tegra 3 out right now, I would not get another prime for sure I would go with one of them.
What would you do? Maybe I should make a poll and they might see it and get their tablets out, so we can buy them instead. j/k
I am either returning my Prime today or trading it for another (one more time). I have had to exchange at best buy a couple of times due to the horrible screen tearing on the first one in gallery, camera and several other apps. Second prime the bottom of the screen died in less than 3 days and would never come back. Factory reset/ cold boot/ soft boot/ you name it. So now im on my third prime and i am still getting artifacts on my home screen and other apps. I have done the whole factory rest, install from sd, cold boot, soft boot, and nothing will stop this dang artifacting. Is this a common problem with the prime and i should expect it from ALL primes, or am i a victim of bad luck and should try another prime? If the majority has issues with this, i am returning it, but if the majority never experiences it i would love to exchange it and get a good working tab that i can keep. Not to keen on anything else until the S4 Krait hits tabs.
thanks for as many replies as possible as i hope to get a good number of responses so i can determine if its a flaw in all primes or just the ones i have had the fortune of using.
Thanks for your time!
Edit, here is a test that anyone with the app can try and reproduce.
C4 Here and have them happen sporadically and easily produced in several apps and launcher. Beautiful widgets is the easiest. I have been wanting someone to test this but haven't had any luck. Just set the beautiful widget forecast (last widget in the list of BW's) on any screen. tap the widget to access the animated graphics. If you location does not have the moving clouds change it to San Diego as it has been cloudy here for a couple of weeks. While the clouds are moving click either the clock or the recent apps button and usually within seconds you will start getting severe artifacts. I have been able to reproduce this on every prime i have gotten my hands on. I also get screen tearing/flickering in androbench pretty regularly but it is different than the artifact. My first prime, before i had it replaced suffered horribly from the left hand side of the screen turning static in camera and other apps. After that replacement my prime and those i have access to suffer the artifacts on .28 in several apps. Someone please try the BW scenario to a tee and give it about 30 seconds at most and see if you receive the artifacts.
I can't blame the BW app though as i have it happen more randomly in several apps, its just that i can reproduce it easily with the BW animation.
Added a poll just for stats.
-Rope
mine stopped for now. ever since I did a manual reinstallation of the firmware & did a full wipe, only saw it 2 times on random occasions. Gone after a reboot.
p/s : b4 reinstallation & wipe, reboot wouldnt solve a thing. the damn problem sticks around
MXR2 said:
mine stopped for now. ever since I did a manual reinstallation of the firmware & did a full wipe, only saw it 2 times of random occasions. Gone after a reboot.
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Thanks! That is exactly what i am after, just some confirmation that it is a wide spread issue. I hate being picky, but my unit gets them pretty bad and i am holding out hopes that this doesn't affect all primes. Im gonna update the OP with a test if anyone else that reads this can try. It almost always forces screen artifacts that can't be reproduced on any of my other ICS tabs or phones.
Thanks again!
Also, i did the whole factory reset, installed via sd, hard boot, soft boot, and nothing gets rid of them...
-Rope
welrope said:
Thanks! That is exactly what i am after, just some confirmation that it is a wide spread issue. I hate being picky, but my unit gets them pretty bad and i am holding out hopes that this doesn't affect all primes. Im gonna update the OP with a test if anyone else that reads this can try. It almost always forces screen artifacts that can't be reproduced on any of my other ICS tabs or phones.
Thanks again!
Also, i did the whole factory reset, installed via sd, hard boot, soft boot, and nothing gets rid of them...
-Rope
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This issue is a Graphics Driver Issue (I'm 99% Sure). It was almost gone in .21 (I never had it). The graphic drivers was cleaned up in this latest patch, and after that some users have been having this issue.
It's just a buggy driver / incompatibility with some apps.
No ;l
demandarin said:
No ;l
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Are you saying you have never had the issue?
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welrope said:
Are you saying you have never had the issue?
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not really. I had it maybe once or twice. it was either from an update or overclocking. the home screen icon and recent apps looked like it was glitching. I rebooted the prime n never seen it again. I wouldn't call that a display issue. Only a 1 time thing. never had anything like you described where bottom of screen or whatever died out on me.
Overall, I've been very satisfied with my prime display. its been performing fine for me. very responsive.
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not really. I had it maybe once or twice. it was either from an update or overclocking. the home screen icon and recent apps looked like it was glitching. I rebooted the prime n never seen it again. I wouldn't call that a display issue. Only a 1 time thing. never had anything like you described where bottom of screen or whatever died out on me.
Overall, I've been very satisfied with my prime display. its been performing fine for me. very responsive.
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That gives me hope, I wonder if i should try replacing the one i have once more. The screen tearing is the only think keeping this from being a perfect pad for me. I get the tearing in androbench, my home screen, weather forecast and even when unlocking my prime. Also, after following your recommendations on improving performance, all i can say is wow, made it a new machine (-minus the screen artifacts that have always been there even on .21.) So, in your opinion, do you think i have a lemon and my problem is specific to my prime and should replace it? or do you think this is a common problem and should just return it?
Was very curious and decided to check it myself, but sorry mate, I wasn't able to reproduce it on beautifull widget. DO you have another app I could try to reproduce the issue ?
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I have the same problem with Apex Launcher the left side of the screen starts to glitch and the only solution is to restart. It goes away for some time but after a while it comes back. I figured it's a software issue and just stopped using apex launcher. I'm curious if the problem is still there with some of the non-stock roms, but if it's the graphics driver I presume it's there ... Let's hope that with the next update things are going to be better.
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I have the same problem with Apex Launcher the left side of the screen starts to glitch and the only solution is to restart. It goes away for some time but after a while it comes back. I figured it's a software issue and just stopped using apex launcher. I'm curious if the problem is still there with some of the non-stock roms, but if it's the graphics driver I presume it's there ... Let's hope that with the next update things are going to be better.
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The cheap solution when using Apex is to just rotate the screen, scroll and rotate it back... it will get rid of it
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Was very curious and decided to check it myself, but sorry mate, I wasn't able to reproduce it on beautifull widget. DO you have another app I could try to reproduce the issue ?
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It only does it for me if the weather forecast is cloudy.( which it has been here lately) lol. Change your location to Miami or San Diego as they are having some bad/cloudy weather. Once you have a location set with "mostly cloudy" conditions, watch how choppy the clouds move when you click on the widget for the forecast. While the clouds are scrolling, open settings by clicking the clock in the lower corner, let it expand, and just wait. Within seconds my screen will start artifacting all over the place.
Also, thanks and thanked!
Have a BCOKA unit purchased in Dec 2011 (received in Jan) and have never experienced any sort of screen artifacts or tearing. BW weather forecast screen has been showing clouds flowing across the screen for 15 minutes now and still going smoothly.
I've never had tearing or artifacts and I have an old Prime (BCOKAS arrive Dec. 27th, 2011).
I did have all the blacks on my screen turn red (search for my thread) and had to RMA for that to get fixed but it turned out to be a hardware problem and Asus replaced my main board. I don't think this is a problemwith all Primes though. Maybe you'll get a better one this time. Good luck man.
The screen tearing is not the Prime's hardware - it's Asus and their incompetence in putting out decent firmwares. I can just about guarantee this is the situation. I had my Prime since launch. It had terrible screen tearing when I first got it. One of their early firmware updates just about completely solved the issue, and it was working great all the way through .21. Then, as soon as I installed the .28 update, the screen tearing and artifacting came back again. So like I said, it's definitely not a faulty prime (hardware wise). I'd suggest either keeping your Prime and waiting for an update that fixes this, or just returning it and getting another tablet.
As for some of the other issues caused by Asus using a garbage LCD, such as LCD mura (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1550530), screen bleeding, and dead/stuck pixels, that's another story.
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That gives me hope, I wonder if i should try replacing the one i have once more. The screen tearing is the only think keeping this from being a perfect pad for me. I get the tearing in androbench, my home screen, weather forecast and even when unlocking my prime. Also, after following your recommendations on improving performance, all i can say is wow, made it a new machine (-minus the screen artifacts that have always been there even on .21.) So, in your opinion, do you think i have a lemon and my problem is specific to my prime and should replace it? or do you think this is a common problem and should just return it?
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I tried your BW test. the animations look and move great on my prime. I let it sit and no screen artifacts turned up. I did see in the options for BW that it said animations were an experimental feature and could cause possible issues. but none on mines though.
as for your situation, I'm not sure. I would say try exchanging again. but I'm starting to think if its maybe an app or combo of apps you have that's causing this. so this happens randomly, no matter what you are doing or app you're using? or is this only occurring when using certain apps or whatever? its kinda sounding like its your apps. did your prime do this immediately out the box brand new? or did this only start occurring after you installed certain apps or Widgets?
just curious, you don't have force gpu on in developer options, do you? that has caused similar issues before.
like previous poster said, I think this is a software issue. which will be solved through an update. maybe even try a manual install of update through Asus website. its a more thorough install.
After .28 I had some of this but none since words with friends put out the update. No doubt a combination of running processes, video drivers and in my case ezoverclock.
Not all Prime have this issue... however, there are enough that DO have this issue.
Just return the device.... don't decide based on what the "future" update will do.. or hopefully will do.
Don't even bother taking a chance.
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I tried your BW test. the animations look and move great on my prime. I let it sit and no screen artifacts turned up. I did see in the options for BW that it said animations were an experimental feature and could cause possible issues. but none on mines though.
as for your situation, I'm not sure. I would say try exchanging again. but I'm starting to think if its maybe an app or combo of apps you have that's causing this. so this happens randomly, no matter what you are doing or app you're using? or is this only occurring when using certain apps or whatever? its kinda sounding like its your apps. did your prime do this immediately out the box brand new? or did this only start occurring after you installed certain apps or Widgets?
just curious, you don't have force gpu on in developer options, do you? that has caused similar issues before.
like previous poster said, I think this is a software issue. which will be solved through an update. maybe even try a manual install of update through Asus website. its a more thorough install.
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Glad you are helping so here are the steps i have taken. I do a lot of research before i post as to limit the amount of time i need to take up. I too thought the app was an incompatibility until i went through the process of removing and formatting my SD card and placing the update zip from ASUS. Booted into what i would call bootloader and factory reset my prime. Once booted, i inserted the sdcard and the went through the upgrade process. Once done i skipped login and allowed the system to settle and then did a hard reboot followed by a soft reboot. I then choose to not restore my apps and only downloaded the BW widget. once opened and set to a location where it was cloudy, clicked the settings launcher and expanded by clicking the clock, which left the animation in the background and within 10- 15 seconds the artifacts became worse and worse. Entire sections of the screen would turn white or green for a split second. I removed the app and downloaded other apps one at a time and found that i would get the same flicker/glitch when using androbench. Also had and issue, when using the gallery, that the screen started scrolling white horizontal lines and slowed to a halt before rebooting. I recently had to travel to San Diego for a week, (poor me) and had my girlfriend go by BB and outright buy another tablet and as i couldn't trust the one i had and figured i would return whichever one worked (Money isn't an issue, just want this prime's display to behave.) Well, as soon as i unboxed it, logged in, allowed it to update, downloaded BW as a test and guess what, same flicker. Granted neither of these had the issues the first two Primes i had to exchange had, when half or most of the screen either went to static or completely quit responding/working.
Now to the interesting part. Both Primes in my possession when i returned home i could test further. I went through the same process of manually wiping, wiping, updating, HB/SB, FR yada yada and only installed the BW app and both Primes behaved the exact same way. As soon as i would expand the recent apps or settings overlay the screen would start to produce odd geometric shapes and would continue every few seconds (the flash is noticeable but quick). Now some good news. The prime i currently have was kept for a few reasons. THE GPS WORKS WELL!!! I have no issues with WIFI, 3/4 bars from70 ft connected to a Cisco 1262. Streaming Netflix with a set of slim JB Bluetooth headsets is a breeze. All of my games (Nova 3, Adrenaline6, Gun Bros, and multiple others play wonderfully and i can honestly say i have never had a game reset/ act funny/ or ANR. My browser would occasionally ANR but it wasn't too bad. The Prime i bought in San Diego would not get a gps signal sitting beside the prime i kept that was getting 10 satellites. Wifi on one prime was -84 in a location that my current prime gets a -66 with a 72Mbps connection. Games would force close on the other prime, Browser would just randomly close. SOD EVERY MORNING. So needless to say i returned it and kept the current one i have. I have tested all i know to test, and no, i don't have force gpu ticked. I have worked with Android for a while and have a Xoom running EOS that doesn't suffer any of the mentioned problems. (one heck of a tablet i might add). But as someone who travels a lot, and the work i do, this can be my laptop replacement.
So all in all i have a tablet that works wonderfully in every area except the fact that it will (at will) artifact/tear using BW animation. It will randomly artifact using Androbench, gallery, camera, quadrant, and both stock launcher and apex pro. Last and notable thing is it seems to do it less if i set the brightness to a static level, say 50%. All of this happens/ bone stock/ root/ no root. Currently running root with your build.prop, the atp app, and sio and this guy is rocking a lot better in the user experience (I/O)
Sorry for the rant, just giving all the info i have. No noob here and wish i could just unlock it and dive into it but cant do it as i don't know if it is hardware.
Thanks for all of the opinions and as soon as my thanking well replenishes i will thank those that i missed!
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Not all Prime have this issue... however, there are enough that DO have this issue.
Just return the device.... don't decide based on what the "future" update will do.. or hopefully will do.
Don't even bother taking a chance.
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Bro, i know you have told me that and my gut says that what i should do as i have kinda been asking this same question in some of the other threads. Thought i would quit hi-jacking and create a post to just see how wide spread this is. I mean dang, i am on my 4th prim in exactly 30 days and only one of them functioned above 75 percent of expected performance. So scared that if i replace it again, i will be out of a 499 tablet as i will likely target practice with it with my 45. lol. Seriously though, i believe you got it right, too many of them have this problem. Sucky thing is i can seem to find an alternative that has what a really want, an S4 krait or a exynos quad and the same docking alternative that the prime has.
So you think there are primes out there that wouldn't have the screen issues i am having? I know i don't think anyone has said they have never experienced it.
Was this a problem when it was on GingerBread?
Thanks,