Hi XDA folks,
Just saw this link which give us some insights to news onofficial ICS for flyer
http://www.htc-hub.com/htc/actualites/htc-flyer-mise-a-jour-officielle-ice-cream-sandwich/
Cheers,
Renga
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Hi XDA folks,
Just saw this link which give us some insights to news onofficial ICS for flyer
http://www.htc-hub.com/htc/actualites/htc-flyer-mise-a-jour-officielle-ice-cream-sandwich/
Cheers,
Renga
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My French needs some work. You mind translating
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here you go!!
This is what i got when i translated.. with googles help
Many of us regret installing Honeycomb on the HTC Flyer . Gingerbread for a return on it will send its tablet for service or simply flash the UCP method (not verified) that we can show you on request.
Honeycomb has taken a while but for Ice Cream Sandwich the story will be different since the update is scheduled for the first quarter, in a little over 2 months the very most!
Thank you to bandjamesband for the info!
We remind you that Google had not delivered the source code and therefore Honeycomb HTC 's had to do with using the SDK. So Sense is much less well integrated in Android 3.2. With the arrival of Android 4.0 on our shelves is expected obviously a major concern of this correction
Well yes according to that it looks likely.
The conversation with HTC which is mostly missing appears to have been about what options a user had to get off honeycomb.
The response from HTC was to send it to after sales service for a downgrade to gingerbread or to wait for the ICS update
The follow up question was, when is the ICS update planned for?
The response: Planned for the first quarter of this year.
I didn't translate the article, just the "chat with us conversation" from where the information about the update comes. And yes I am 100% certain of the accuracy of meaning in my translation.
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My French needs some work. You mind translating
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How do you say +1 in French? Plusavue une?
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http://android-gz.com
shameful as my mother is a French Canadian that I could not piece together the message. Hopeful it its true though
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IP IHI II IL said:
How do you say +1 in French? Plusavue une?
\\Carved into this thread by my RAZR//
http://android-gz.com
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Like this: +1
Plus un, would be a suitable translation but I don't think I've every seen it written in words in any language.
So does everyone actually prefer Gingerbread over Honeycomb on this device? If so then why?
I prefer honeycomb but reasons why are all opinion
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So does everyone actually prefer Gingerbread over Honeycomb on this device? If so then why?
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Everyone actually prefers Froyo, but no one could figure out how to downgrade to it.
But anyway my unofficial poll came out like this.
Favor HC: 96%
Favor GB: 3%
Favor Terminal mode: 1%
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Everyone actually prefers Froyo, but no one could figure out how to downgrade to it.
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+1...
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I prefer GB, battery life is a bit improved and I can make calls again.
Backwards compatibility is not all the way there for HC.
Yeah it looks fancier and all but I can make voip calls and all my bought apps that are bought for my Inspire 4G work 100% on GB Flyer.
Since I have AT&Trash the reception here leaves alot to be desired so I rely on my Flyer for phonecalls + I can call pretty much call or receive nationwide for free.
I know some do not care about this feature but it is essential to me and especially my gf. Yak, Yak, Yak. lol
Info on the procedure here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1449859
I hope this is true but I don't believe it.
Customer service people are always the last to know anything. So, something is up here. I fear it is a hoax or just more bad information. We should all know better than to believe stuff we read on some site we never heard of before.
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I hope this is true but I don't believe it.
Customer service people are always the last to know anything. So, something is up here. I fear it is a hoax or just more bad information. We should all know better than to believe stuff we read on some site we never heard of before.
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I am full of doubt, especially considering how long honeycombe took and the fact that the flyer is pretty much discontinued
I agree. Hate to be pessimist, but I think the road ends with Honeycomb and all its shortcomings.
Sent from my HTC Flyer; resisting Honeycomb due to allergy
My question is will Honeycomb actually be supported a little further down the road or will it just be forgotten. It seems like it was just a bridge to hold over tablet owners until the real OS hit, ICS. So what will developers do and will they continue to make everything Honeycomb compatible.
I almost feel like Google should request all Honeycomb tablets be upgraded to ICS and they should take the hit on any costs to do since they are responsible for putting together a half assed OS until ICS rolled out...
Microsoft did that with Win/ME and Vista
what i dont like with HC is the bar at the bottum... takes up to much screen.
this baby only got 7 inch, and by haveing a permanent bar there, makes the screen even smaller. dont like it..
the flyer/view got some HW-buttons, so the bar isent that useful...
but otherwise i prefere HC
Everyone needs to get a grip.
HC will go the way of Froyo and GB. They will be forgotten and the next big thing ICS and then Jelly Bean will replace them and on and on. Hardware will always be outdated in 6 to 9 months and new stuff will replace it. As for Google dictating that HW vendors and sellers update to the latest OS, they tried that in the annual meeting Oct. 2011 and got the big one fingered salute from all the manufacturer and cell carriers. Google is in no position to dictate things. They attempted to get everyone to agree to updating all devices to the new OS within 4 months and no one agreed. So it's all best effort meaning sellers can do it if they want to.
You have to remember that HW sellers don't make money from fixing all your problems and updating software. They make money from selling new hardware. So they will choose to do the bare minimum level of support. Now that may not be what you think is right or how it "should be", but that is reality and not accepting that will just make you more unhappy. Where you going to go? Apple? MIcrosoft? maybe.... Microsoft started out having a central update site for all Windows phone, but they have abandoned that concept due to cell carrier pressure. So now they are in the same boat as Google with users beholding to cell providers for their updates.
Google does not make a dime from direct Android sales. They are an advertising company.
Here is the English version of the article...
http://htcsource.com/2012/01/android-4-0-update-confirmed-for-the-htc-flyer/
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Regarding your enquiry, kindly be informed that we are working on an Eclair update (2.0) for the HTC Hero. Because Eclair is a significantly enhanced release, it will require some time to update Sense for this new version of the Android OS. Please be patient while we work to provide you with a tightly integrated experience like the one you are already enjoying on your Hero.
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Regarding your request, unfortunately this is the only information we have at the moment regarding that matter, regrettably there is no information regarding Android 2.1 operating system neither a confirmation that it will be available nor a denial, kindly check on the HTC website on the support page to keep track of any newly released upgrades.
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We have waited for a long time so far and the day we get 2.0, it will be an old version already.
MCR 3.1 > Android 2.x
It clearly sux but sense adds a lot to android, so the difference between 2.0 and 2.1 is way smaller than the difference between 2.1 and 2.0 + sense.
We just have to hope that 2.0 won't be the last update for the Hero...
It takes time to develop these things.
As for the quotes from HTC, those are your standard "I'm just a CSR and I'm not allowed to say anything whether I actually know it or not" response. And we really haven't waited that long. A couple months? For HTC to overhaul their UI to a completely new API? Be patient, it's coming. I'd be willing to bet that the update is 2.1, since we already have a ROM based on an HTC leak. Why would there be a leaked 2.1 ROM if they weren't going to put one out?
@kouray: The phone's been out for less than a year. This won't be the last update.
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We have waited for a long time so far and the day we get 2.0, it will be an old version already.
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HTC have already tweeted last month that the Sprint Hero will be getting 2.1 instead of 2.0. There's no reason to believe that this isn't also true of the GSM Hero!
Regards,
Dave
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HTC have already tweeted last month that the Sprint Hero will be getting 2.1 instead of 2.0. There's no reason to believe that this isn't also true of the GSM Hero!
Regards,
Dave
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I also would like to believe in that we will get 2.1 instead of 2.0. But I pasted the response from HTC Support without touching a comma.
cokbok said:
I also would like to believe in that we will get 2.1 instead of 2.0. But I pasted the response from HTC Support without touching a comma.
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HTC CSRs are notoriously ill-informed most of the time.
2.1 is still Eclair - it's just got some bug fixes in it. Lox-Dev and Benhaams ROM is based on a leaked HTC build of 2.1, so it is clear that HTC are working on 2.1 for the Hero.
Regards,
Dave
I hope you are right.
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HTC CSRs are notoriously ill-informed most of the time.
2.1 is still Eclair - it's just got some bug fixes in it. Lox-Dev and Benhaams ROM is based on a leaked HTC build of 2.1, so it is clear that HTC are working on 2.1 for the Hero.
Regards,
Dave
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even if they don't release it, i am optimistic that the great devs here & on xda will make the advantages of 2.1 available for a hero rom... whatever they are exactly, somebody has a changelog of android at hand?
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@kouray: The phone's been out for less than a year. This won't be the last update.
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Hope so, I used to be on samsung phones so I don't know anything about updates
But I still think HTC will stop updates on hero someday soon to sell their 2nd generation android phones..
kouray said:
Hope so, I used to be on samsung phones so I don't know anything about updates
But I still think HTC will stop updates on hero someday soon to sell their 2nd generation android phones..
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You're probably right... but hopefully that won't happen till Android out-grows the Hero hardware.
I sent a support request asking about the release of 2.x. They answered me that it was coming "in the middle of the year".
In the mean time I am really enjoing LoxDev's KaguDroid. I like it so much that I don't think I will ever go back to Sense. KaguDroid is the only Custom ROM that has stayed on my Hero for more than two days.
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Fools - I, very kindly, addressed this entire issue for you - I even made some suggestions as to how to live in the 'real' ****ing world - you ****s will never learn - as for the grandiose bombastic solipsist who labells himself craig0r (i'm pressuming the use othe zero in the 'handle' is some kind of 'in' nerd gag - hilarious) this true **** will never learn and merely infects all around him with his funny as cancer 'laughs' and incredible insights
Poor Poor Poor boys - ah well !!
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I have enjoyed my world tour to bypass 'security' - mainly visited the states but also a good troll through Europe with an emphasis on the Netherlands - as for what has gone on here the two fools labelled craig0r (see previous post for sentiment on the label) and Liamhere - also know as cowardly oberfuhrercnut no 1 - what can I say that I already haven't ? How's about an example to illustrate what I'm crapping on about:
The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy - Be it book, Series or Film nothing changes - what doesn't change I hear you ask - well, the gobsmackingly consistent way it is as funny as a 3 year old having been run over - yet some people, for reasons unknown - see it as hilarious. This sums up these two fools - in the 'real ' world - nazi overzealous small men that keep interfering are detested (Liamhere) and self-congratulatory, pedantic humourless solipsists who have a vastly overinflated sense of their own self-worth / self importance and merely cling at straws (crai0r) - ****s like these are detested. I don't get it - I see plenty of people here who are good lads and lasses with some intellect and wit - yet ****s like these are defended - boo hoo - Someone illuminate me - note to craig0r - not you you **** - as I've made pretty ****ing clear I'm not remotely interested in either you, the **** labelled Liamhere or the 'Phantom' admin that keeps booting me - only for me to re-emerge - I'm not going away so ****in face up to it
Denounce these fools and allow free speech, intellect and Humour reign supreme on what is, IMHO (for the nerds that last acronym) and excellent site (note the cloying sycophancy of the last statement) - Au revoir for now, your humble servant
Simon xx
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calm down bro. nothing to get personal in internet forums.
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calm down bro. nothing to get personal in internet forums.
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Please don't feed trolls.
However, I expect from any company producing so called "up-to-date" products, like smartphones, that they update their products for some time (at least one year) quickly, because their customers bought those products, to have a modern, state of the art thing. In the case of the Hero that's not the case, since we are waiting for an update since two or three months.
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However, I expect from any company producing so called "up-to-date" products, like smartphones, that they update their products for some time (at least one year) quickly, because their customers bought those products, to have a modern, state of the art thing. In the case of the Hero that's not the case, since we are waiting for an update since two or three months.
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dude, you really don't know bout technology stuff like this is obsolete when it's released, and they start developing again. it's not easy to re-write software to suit something different... be patient
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However, I expect from any company producing so called "up-to-date" products, like smartphones, that they update their products for some time (at least one year) quickly, because their customers bought those products, to have a modern, state of the art thing. In the case of the Hero that's not the case, since we are waiting for an update since two or three months.
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http://www.itechnews.net/2009/12/08/htc-2010-android-lineup-leaked/
with all the htc devices coming up in 2010, especially the bravo and the htc legend ( supposedly the succesor to hero) i dont think the htc hero will get any updates after the promised eclair one.
I bought the Hero when it was released in the UK. people said "ooh, watch out, HTC won't support that". I laughed, "HTC are fantastic" etc etc.
Unfortunately it turns out they were actually right as I'm still stuck at 1.5 officially. Options are there thanks to devs here but it's still garbage that the hero has been left in favour of pushing out the new phones instead. I've had a few tweets at HTC on twitter, they've announced updates twice so far which have subsequently been canned. Meanwhile i'm stuck with the old marketplace and unable to use any apps that require 1.6.... bollocks is what it is.
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I sent a support request asking about the release of 2.x. They answered me that it was coming "in the middle of the year".
In the mean time I am really enjoing LoxDev's KaguDroid. I like it so much that I don't think I will ever go back to Sense. KaguDroid is the only Custom ROM that has stayed on my Hero for more than two days.
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what's so good about it? anything missing/broken? edit: researched, looks to be incomplete and full of issues. guess i'll be waiting until someone gets a stable 2.+ for the HERO out :/
You're not really stuck, if you can get rid of sense you already can install some 2.0 roms (like kagudroid). The patience is required only for espresso..
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dude, you really don't know bout technology stuff like this is obsolete when it's released, and they start developing again. it's not easy to re-write software to suit something different... be patient
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i guess i know more than you, dude. whether it's - in your words - "easy" to update or not, that's not the point. the problem on their site is, that they do not invest enough resources into updating the phone.
of course it's only my expectation, but as you can see on these and many other forums, blog et cetera, many people are unsatisfied with the current situation. and all these people's are customers and when customers are unsatisfied with a company and/or their products/support they may change the company in future. that is what really matters.
Honestly I think HTC is shorting us by not giving us 3.0 so the only reason I'm going to get this is we can port 3.0 to it. So what are the odds? How hard is going to be?
I guess they want more development time to set up Sense on Honeycomb and possibly to push it out sooner so people get this rather than Xoom...
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The first day we have a compatible kitchen, I'll have the port out. Can make that in 10 minutes.
I.e if they haven't switched from RUU to something new...
nex7er said:
The first day we have a compatible kitchen, I'll have the port out. Can make that in 10 minutes.
I.e if they haven't switched from RUU to something new...
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Good sir you are why im buying this device. Thank you very much
Does the digitizer make porting Honeycomb more difficult (i.e., because it's not designed for styluses)? I'm on the fence about the Flyer, but developer support would be a huge plus.
+1 for honeycomb development.
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Does the digitizer make porting Honeycomb more difficult (i.e., because it's not designed for styluses)? I'm on the fence about the Flyer, but developer support would be a huge plus.
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I feel the same way although I'm 99% sure ill get it anyway. I don't see the point in 10" tablets. If I was going to carry a bulky device, I'd sooner take my laptop as its far more useful and weighs abt the same as the 10" tablets.
Have used the Galaxy Tab for a few months now and its the form factor which makes is useful to me - will fit in your pocket if you really need a free hand.
My only other concern is performance. With the majority of honeycomb tablets sporting the Tegra 2 chipset, does this mean apps will be designed with those specs in mind? Anyone know how the flyers Qualcom CPU?
Why want to port a buggy honeycomb if around 3 months later (Juni or July) there will be a official 3.0
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Why want to port a buggy honeycomb if around 3 months later (Juni or July) there will be a official 3.0
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No offense intended, but your question comes across ass a little troll-ish. Assuming you genuinely want an answer though:
1) Because apps for 3.0 are designed for tablet form-factor. If you have used any of the 2.x (or even earlier) tablets, you will know that many apps look horrible because they are either scaled up to full screen, or only appear as a 'small box' in the middle of the screen.
2) I love XDA - the Devs here are top-notch and I never have issues running early versions of the ROMs that are cooked up by XDA devs. The releases here are always way ahead of the manufacturer releases and that's kind of the whole point of the site. It lets DEVs get familiar with new platforms so that when oficial releases come out, they can be quickly ported to the 'official' build when HTC get around to releasing it.
3) Never hold your breath waiting for manufacturers to release updates. HTC are relatively quick to release updates compared to most manufacturers, but waiting for official updates can lead to pain and disappointment.
I was wondering this as well, but more in a general sense. I got an ipad from my work for winning a contest, I played with it, and I can't stand apple crap. So I'm going to sell it, looks like I can get about $450 for it on ebay. So I wanted to take that money and get a android tablet, and I was thinking I would wait for the honeycomb tabs to come out and come down in price a little. But then I thought why do that?? Especially since i'm running gingerbread on my Evo and it runs freaking awesome!
So any worries hardware or other with buying a froyo tab and rooting it and getting a honeycomb rom later? Any min specs one should look for etc..? I know it's slightly off topic sorry, but not really sure where I should post this
Thanks!!!
Do a little research next time, it WILL be released with Honeycomb. I can't post the link cause I don't have more then 8 posts, but if you google it, HTC tweeted that it will be released with 3.0.
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Do a little research next time, it WILL be released with Honeycomb. I can't post the link cause I don't have more then 8 posts, but if you google it, HTC tweeted that it will be released with 3.0.
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WTF?? What do you mean "IT will be released with honeycomb"? What is "IT"?? exactly?
anyways that post is old I bought a gtab
http://twitter.com/htc/status/48806237156016128
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Gotcha thanks, makes more sense now, but if you read my original post you'll see that I don't have an htc tablet and that it was just a general question
But if you port it you will lose the gaming experience app forgot the real name and HTC said they are going to update 2 honeycomb
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But if you port it you will lose the gaming experience app forgot the real name and HTC said they are going to update 2 honeycomb
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Yea, but you have to pay to use OnLive. I don`t think many people are going to bother with it.
couto607 said:
Yea, but you have to pay to use OnLive. I don`t think many people are going to bother with it.
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And seems people's 3g plan can't hold the bandwidth for a few hours per month...
Hd2 desire s build xda app.
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But if you port it you will lose the gaming experience app forgot the real name and HTC said they are going to update 2 honeycomb
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didnt google say there licencing wont allow 2.x products to upgrade to honeycomb?
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didnt google say there licencing wont allow 2.x products to upgrade to honeycomb?
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Unless given express permission by mr Google, and the flyer/evo tablet got the green light
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Unless given express permission by mr Google, and the flyer/evo tablet got the green light
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Yeah, now all they need is the source. Can't understand why Google would hold back the source from HTC but...
@htc
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@Geekhangover We will be offering a Honeycomb upgrade when it’s made available. What feature are you most excited about?
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Honestly I think HTC is shorting us by not giving us 3.0 so the only reason I'm going to get this is we can port 3.0 to it. So what are the odds? How hard is going to be?
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Before u spend ur money. You should know that the has no RUU released. And any system posted of the xoom that's not the WiFi version moto keeps having the links removed. And to top it all off the system dump can not be deodexed. I have even tried myself. The only version of 3.0 that can be ported is SDK and nothing works on it... T-Mobile will be releasing an honeycomb tab but know Google it will be locked too... And its not HTC's falt honeycomb will never meet sense. Google will not allow any overlays of any kind of honeycomb. That means no blur or sense...
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Click "like" or comment on following post on HTC Flyer USA facebook page. Best way to send a message to HTC
https://www.facebook.com/htcusa/posts/212867458781538
Worth a try. I will post something
My crystal ball says: Within the next three weeks we will get HC.
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My crystal ball says: Within the next three weeks we will get HC.
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Hope you are right
like or comment the following links also:
HTC official page: http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150495979693084
HTC Flyer official page: http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=262036503831697&id=182447658457249
I hate to say but after looking at the face book page, it seems to me that its just a marketing outlet for HTC. I don't see them ever answering any support questions there, have you?
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I posted this.
It appears to me that HTC may be exiting the tablet market. They have never delivered on the promised Android update from Gingerbread to Honeycomb for the Flyer / View and the Jetstream is not competitively priced. Additionally no announcements or marketing in place for the holiday sales pitch coming up would appear to leave HTC in a bad position.
HTC are you competing and supporting your customers or dumping us????
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I hate to say but after looking at the face book page, it seems to me that its just a marketing outlet for HTC. I don't see them ever answering any support questions there, have you?
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Maybe, but a good place to put your message don't you think? I am not looking for support, I want their sales team know that they are not selling hardware, tablet is a complete package. I also want future customers know the facts. Hurting sales is the only way to teach a lesson.
Yes I guess you are right. Just have a bad feeling about this. Reminds me of my HTC Hero.
Here is the HTC US customer support email page. Use this to email to HTC support
http://www.htc.com/www/contact/email-us/
THIS IS BULL **** MAN.....i can't even express how unfair this is. HTC originally said it would be included with HC and then MONTHHHSSS later they still don't offer it to us? They promised it to us, but something tells me they forgot about us and just said screw it.
I only buy HTC products, but this customer support is unfair. This product has been out for months now and still nothing, not even a reminder saying "were working on it". They keep giving us old OS, right when (IF) we ever finally do get HC, Icecream will already be out on tablets once again giving us an OLD OS.
Would someone please explain the point of this? ICS was announced last week and is obviously superior to HC. Why are you complaining about not getting HC now? I can understand if you're complaining because you don't expect any updates, but ICS is obviously the upgrade path Google wants everything with Gingerbread to go with. By the look of things, it appears that HTC was working on HC then stopped when they got word that ICS was coming very soon.
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Here is the HTC US customer support email page. Use this to email to HTC support
http://www.htc.com/www/contact/email-us/
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I sent them an email and this is what I got
You were wondering about a software upgrade for your HTC EVO View 4G. I would be more than happy to assist you with this software inquiry. Unfortunately, I do not have any information about the release of the Honeycomb upgrade for your Android tablet. I would recommend you keep an eye on the HTC regional website at www.htc.com/US under the Home tab for further developments.
Sent from my Evo View 4g
Parastie said:
Would someone please explain the point of this? ICS was announced last week and is obviously superior to HC. Why are you complaining about not getting HC now? I can understand if you're complaining because you don't expect any updates, but ICS is obviously the upgrade path Google wants everything with Gingerbread to go with. By the look of things, it appears that HTC was working on HC then stopped when they got word that ICS was coming very soon.
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I'm sorry to be blunt , but you really need to read the threads here more and understand how the Android update process works. Google does not release or control updates for any device, none, zero, nada. Maybe in the future since they now own Motorola, they will control Motorola releases, but currently no, so ICS updates are not coming soon to a device near you. When Google announces any given version of Android it runs on exactly nothing at that point and a lot of work remains with each hardware vendor to make it work on each devices.
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I sent them an email and this is what I got
You were wondering about a software upgrade for your HTC EVO View 4G. I would be more than happy to assist you with this software inquiry. Unfortunately, I do not have any information about the release of the Honeycomb upgrade for your Android tablet. I would recommend you keep an eye on the HTC regional website at www.htc.com/US under the Home tab for further developments.
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Here’s my first email to them
"Being the owner of several HTC Phones and enjoying their build quality, I recently purchased a HTC Flyer, thinking it would (as promised) get updated to Honeycomb.
Now, some web sites are reporting the flyer will not be updated.
I am now approaching my 30 day return window, so my question is, do I need to return my Flyer and buy something like the Samsung?
I really like HTC products but, I do want a device that (as promised) will get updated.
Gary"
I got the same reply as you. I then sent them this
"Thank you for your quick reply. As you know the official announcement was on Feb 11, 8 months ago saying the update to Honeycomb would be coming soon. The Flyer is approuching 1 year old and still no update. It seems like I may have to return my flyer and try another product. Thanks, Gary"
I got this back
"Gary, We very much appreciate your loyalty to HTC and understand how it can be frustrating awaiting announced updates, especially when they take longer than anticipated to come out. We ask for your patience as the update is being developed and tested for your device. Thank you again!"
Deerhunter48 said:
My crystal ball says: Within the next three weeks we will get HC.
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IS there some relevance in your 3 week suggestion?.
I mean is there some announcement from HTC due in that timeframe (fiscal results), a trade-show, or is it really just a gut-feeling/guess?
Thanks
Iain
Kudzus said:
"Gary, We very much appreciate your loyalty to HTC and understand how it can be frustrating awaiting announced updates, especially when they take longer than anticipated to come out. We ask for your patience as the update is being developed and tested for your device. Thank you again!"
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Sounds good. I hope it's true and not just another ready-made reply.
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Sounds good. I hope it's true and not just another ready-made reply.
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If it is false info they’re going to buy mine back … they just don’t know that yet
ICS is long way off. I don't expect HTC to release ICS update. Most likely the combination of cyanogenmod + some talented developer will give us ICS.
People fail to realize that Android and iOS are completely different animals.
iOS is made for very small set of hardware (for e.g. iOS supports iPHone 3G, 3GS, 4,4S, iPad and iPad2 hardware only) and hence it is a complete product. Hardware/Software/Apps and middleware (drivers etc) work together to deliver a consistent experience - Apple ensures that.
In Android world - google creates one version of OS with basic set of apps and middleware (drivers etc). It relies on companies to to create software and drivers compatible with the OS and developers to create apps compatible with OS - not an easy task with multiple vendors/hardware combinations.
In a sense Google has been shooting itself in foot with so many versions Froyo, GB, HC and ICS within last 2 years. I will not be surprised if companies stop supporting Google because they are tired of providing all this support. Supporting an OS update takes months of hard work. Add carrier specific releases to that and you begin to understand what a big mess all this is.
ICS is a first step by Google in right direction. Now we will have a single Android OS for phones & tablets with patch releases in future. This will bring stability to Android platform and to its vendors. In my opinion there should never have been HC and GB out at all. It should just have been HC that supported both phones and tablets.
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If it is false info they’re going to buy mine back … they just don’t know that yet
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Haha, excellent answer!
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cnewsgrp said:
Click "like" or comment on following post on HTC Flyer USA facebook page. Best way to send a message to HTC
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Yeah. I have added my $0.02.
http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/?cid=android4FB
I know there have been emails, speculation and all of that jazz.
Here it is however, officially official for anyone/everyone to see.
I'm sure if you call a few customer service reps, you can find one or two that will reignite the speculation. It's too quite in here.
yeah that's it. Does kind of suck. my phone was one of the first to receive an ics update from htc and it is absolutely amazing even with its heavily skinned sense ui. But the downside is its built on 4.03 and before 4.04, ics is so buggy you'd think it was in beta, and battery life has gone to complete hell too, and for the htc vivid, it's probably its first and last update from htc.
Hopefully someone delivers a good ics rom for us.
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I'm sure if you call a few customer service reps, you can find one or two that will reignite the speculation. It's too quite in here.
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Sounds like a plan. I'll get on it.
I'm running CM9, ICS on my old Color Nook and its great. Stable, wonderful.
Guys, sign my petition in my thread, we get enough signatures we will surely get ICS
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Or steady full working honeycomb. This is a more definite chance
they said they aren't done supporting it but I call bs. i originally suggested new features for honeycomb but now if they just fixed the gps, made it faster and smoother, and fixed the game data downloading issues I'd be happy. Probably won't happen though. I'm just going to stay on gingerbread
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Whoareyou said:
Guys, sign my petition in my thread, we get enough signatures we will surely get ICS
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You must be high lol
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no good news as its 99% the same chips as the Sensation XL
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You must be high lol
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Lol yeah I don't see a petition doing much good at this point. HTC has decided the cost of giving us an update is more than the cost of loosing our business so they'll just ignore a petition.
Really I don't seen how it could cost them that much though. These is a company that doesn't differentiate from hardware too much and there are several phones that either have ics or are getting it with very similar if not identical hardware. Its not like they have to develop from scratch, really just taking something like the one v rom, optimize it for a tablet, and adding drivers for the front camera is all they'd have to do. 90% of all htc device's if not more have some version of the snapdragon with an adreno gpu so getting us a working ICS update shouldn't take more than a day with the resources they have.
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Its still a nice tablet.
Disappointed in HTC - would have to think long and VERY hard before buying another product from this manufacturer.
yeah it is a nice tablet still. I don't get the marketing and design though. they set it up to fail from day one by releasing it at a high price point that you could get a 10 inch honeycomb tablet for. most people just passed it up and went to the xoom sitting next to it. or just bought an ipad. HTC seems to do this alot, just throw some product out there with some innovative features, but overall make it unappealing to the market (in this case the pen, but remember the Facebook phone?). They really took a knife to a gun fight with the flyer and now they wanna pretend it never existed.
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yeah it is a nice tablet still. I don't get the marketing and design though. they set it up to fail from day one by releasing it at a high price point that you could get a 10 inch honeycomb tablet for. most people just passed it up and went to the xoom sitting next to it. or just bought an ipad. HTC seems to do this alot, just throw some product out there with some innovative features, but overall make it unappealing to the market (in this case the pen, but remember the Facebook phone?). They really took a knife to a gun fight with the flyer and now they wanna pretend it never existed.
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Long term, the phone and tablet market will be a 2 horse race. The SGS and Galaxy tab outsell any HTC phones/tablets and the Apple Iphone/Ipad will continue to dominate (....am I allowed to say that here ?)
Nokia are making massive losses.
RIM in steep decline.
Sony have lost their mojo.
HTC struggled last year but the One range may do them some good - if they don't alienate too many flyer/view owners
Samsung are a bit plasticky.
yeah I'm a former samsung owner, build quality could be worse but they do use too much plastic no doubt
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I am teh sad.
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Wouldn't mind so much if HC didn't suck so much on the flyer - performance just seems awful. Ah well think I'm just gonna stick Dexter's ICS/Sense 4 rom on my flyer and live without the pen. At least I'll have the goodness of chrome and it runs much smoother than the official HC release ever did.
I'll have to think carefully about ever buying another HTC device - if I wasn't so happy with my one X I think I'd have turned my back on them by now. Not that they'd care of course.
Well HTC sucks, but not as much as Motorola ( i have the dorid x2) who locks their bootloaders, never unlocks them, never releases the source code and drops support even for currently selling phones only 4 months old. But wait, ain't Motorola part of that funny sounding company ,,,?? starts with a G........ oh, yes, Google. Hummmmmmmm
Oh and BTW, FYI, UBETCHA, I'm reverting to FROYO, which was so less laggy, leggy, jerky, jittery, clucky, clicky, smelly, bed bug ridden ,stinky, crappy, gassy, slimy, limey, and sticky/rickety than GB, HC, ICS, JB and any future or past or other version of Andorid, IOS, WP, SENSE, BB, ET, or NBC.
And speaking of petitions, I'm gonna start a petition to have Apple and Samsung bury HTC in patient infringement litigation to the point for HTC cannot sell a single device , hhahhaahhahooohooohhhoehehehehehee LOL LMAO.
There I feel so much better now.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I asked htc about this and they said "Dear **** *******,
Thank you for your email regarding your HTC Flyer.
My name is David and I am a Technical Support Agent for the HTC Written Team.
I understand that you wish to enquire if the Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0) update will be made available for your tablet.
We really do appreciate your interest in our products John. I do apologise but the HTC Flyer would not be receiving the ICS update. This is because this update is incompatible with this device.
However, your experience with our phones is very important for us, and we take these comments very seriously. HTC is a forward thinking company and appreciates any feedback received from its customers. Your comments, concerns and suggestions will be taken into consideration and passed on to our development ream.
I do apologise for the inconvenience this may be causing you.
To let me know I have successfully answered your query, please follow the link below to close your enquiry, you will have the opportunity to leave feedback about your experience contacting me today.
Let me know if I have successfully answered your question, please click here to complete this.
To send a reply to this message, please click here .
Sincerely,
David
HTC"
I Replied saying about the hundreds of sense 4 ics ports out there and all they needed to do to one of them is fix the camera and the scribe function and they would have an ICS rom!
... so did they answer your query successfully ?
Seems like the support guy is asking you to swallow the BS line "incompatible with your device". Might be worth further enquiring as to why it is incompatible ...
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"Dear **** *******,
Thank you for your email regarding your HTC Flyer.
I understand that you wish to enquire if the Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0) update will be made available for your tablet.
We really do appreciate your interest in our products. I do apologise but the HTC Flyer would not be receiving the ICS update. This is because HTC are moving out of the tablet space and it is uneconomic to support your device further.
Your experience with our phones isn't really important for us, and we will file your comments in the trash can. HTC is losing money and has bigger problems than dealing with feedback received from its customers. Your comments, concerns and suggestions will be ignored - we probably don't even have a tablet development team to forward them to.
I laugh in your general direction.
To let me know I have successfully answered your query, please follow the link below to close your enquiry, you will have the opportunity to leave feedback about your experience contacting me today.
Let me know if I have successfully answered your question, please click here to complete this.
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Sincerely,
etc"
Well, as the title says, HTC is preparing a new tablet and has leaked some info and benchmarks of the new device. When they announced the Flyer/EVO View and Jetstream were not going to receive official ICS update, one of the reasons HTC gave was that they were not going to develop new tablets and the cost of developing a new ICS Sense for Tablets was not worth it for just two devices...
So now... what?
I'd like to ask everybody here who has a Facebook account to go to the official HTC facebook page and demand the update to ICS for the Flyer/ EVO View and Jetstream tablets. It's not useless, HTC has rectified before when the customers filled their facebook pages demanding updates (Gingerbread update for Desire is a good example).
Some facts you can use to convince HTC to release the update (you can copy/paste in the HTC facebook pages):
- Flyer was released in May 2011, Desire HD in October 2010. Flyer is more powerful... but the DHD is getting the update. Not anymore!!! has HTC decision makers gone mad???
- Flyer has a more powerful CPU than One V, and twice the RAM... One V already has ICS, of course.
- Flyer has some unofficial ICS ROMs already, even a Sense 4 port, and those are the fastest ROMs ever in this device, but many things don't work because they are not official ROMs. The hardware is more than ready for ICS, it's begging for the update!!!
- HTC is going to release a new tablet, everyone who owns an HTC tablet will never buy another HTC after this "NO ICS" decision and we´ll be recommending everyone we know against doing so. And probably advise against their phones too.
- The hardware specs and quality of manufacturing of HTC tablets are outstanding. HTC tablets have been a commercial failure in the past because of several reasons, but the hardware is not one of them. Poor advertising, extremely high price,... but most of all, the lack of a proper OS is the major flaw of these devices.
- The Honeycomb update brought the loss of functionalities like phone calls or the hardware buttons... and a loss of 10% screen working area in landscape mode because of the Honeycomb bar (and we are talking of a 7" screen). We BOUGHT a device with those functionalities and there is no official downgrade.
- Most Flyer users were really disappointed with the Honeycomb update and were sincerely hoping an ICS update would fix those things, many kept Gingerbread instead of installing the update. The most read threads in the Flyer's forums on the Internet are the ones explaining how to downgrade to Gingerbread (unofficial method, of course). This is a worldwide situation.
- Honeycomb is dead. It was Google's temporary solution for tablets until ICS was ready and it shows... every major manufacturer is updating their tablets to ICS and getting rid of Honeycomb for good. No one wants Honeycomb, it was a failure, and that is known even at Google central offices (they won't admit it, of course). Our one year old devices should not be running an obsolete OS. With Gingerbread first and later with Honeycomb we still don't have a proper OS to enjoy the full potential of our devices, ICS is the solution and HTC is not updating.
- The ICS update is not just a fancy thing we are asking for, it's a necessity for our devices to function as they should.
- If HTC is developing a new ICS Sense for Tablets, it should not cost much to bring it to our devices. The cost of developing is out of the equation. HTC is letting down its actual tablet consumer base at the same time it is developing something that would make us all happy if it was released for our tablets. If we get an OS update (ICS or JB) for our devices then our next tablet would be an HTC almost for sure and we would be happy customers. Instead, we will not only run away from future HTC tablets but also the phones.
- The new HTC Quattro, Vertex or whatever name HTC gives to their new 10" tablet will be a commercial failure for sure if the owners of the only HTC tablets to date are left in the present situation. We are not happy, and the reason is the lack of a proper OS, it's a software problem. We will advise everyone against buying HTC tablets and we won't buy any more products from them. We could be telling everyone how wonderful HTC tablets really are if we had the proper OS, that's the best advertising any company wants, but we'll do right the opposite.
- Many of the HTC tablet customers chose their devices because they had HTC written all over them, knowing that meant QUALITY in capital letters. Early adopters of new devices are the ones that determine the success or failure of a company in a market niche. They're usually technology enthusiasts and they spread the word if a product is great or not. Apple knows very well what i'm talking about.
Tablets still are a fairly new product for the masses (specially Android ones), the early adopters of the HTC tablets are not satisfied, and a simple update can change the situation. Very little cost for HTC and huge benefits if they release the update.
- If HTC really wants to sell tablets and be one of the big brands they have to treat their customers properly, and give us the ICS update we need to enjoy the full potential of our devices (and also have back again the functionalities WE PAID FOR). Otherwise they will continue to see their benefits numbers drop (half this year).
I've already started to publish all this at the HTC main facebook page and at HTC Spain facebook page (where I live), and of course there is a Spanish version of this rant that is "more colorful" because that's my native language (En el anuncio de la filtración de las prestaciones del nuevo tablet les dije que si no nos dan la actualización se lo podian meter por donde amargan los pepinos, por ejemplo )
Of course all this might end up in nothing, but we have nothing to loose and much to gain just by spending a few minutes on facebook telling HTC that we are not happy, and that they might be in for a rough ride trying to sell their new tablet having their current tablet user base so pissed up.
Link to HTC facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/HTC
Honestly man its a lost cause. Htc won't bend on it, they've made up their minds and the writing is on the wall. Good news is we have a good aokp build started by chaos so we will have a full working ics rom but not from htc
Also if they use the same pen technology, it might be our ticket to working pen on ics
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our best hopes would be that something from this new tablet could be ported over
I wouldn't bet on the porting bit, the processor architectures are just too different. I guess maybe Chaos could get some kind of kernel ported, but I would personally be running AOKP even if we had a OEM solution. Hmm...you know I wonder if the AOKP MHL issue is because the standard Linux kernel doesn't support the second framebuffer...?
Just did my bit.
I doubt the hardware will be anywhere similar to the flyer but if it has pen, then we could get an ics pen driver
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Same here. Posted on HTC's facebook page.
Figured why the hell not
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Ah great my punctuation is all messed up. "buy" instead of by and "their" instead of "there" lol i look like an idiot now
And now I know why I don't post on Facebook. Because there is some trolling htc fanboy that is the first to comment every time I make a comment about the Flyer. This dude probably bought every condem named htc phone that ever lived, probably uses an htc Status as his main phone, probably has a closet full of white shirts with green htc logos, and spends every waking moment on their page defending them to the teeth if anyone dares make rip on them. His name is Droider.se
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i wrote on their facebook page and here is the reply from them:
https://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10151269154368084?notif_t=feed_comment
Our tablets are built and optimized for a Honeycomb experience. To preserve that match between hardware and software, we do not plan to update our tablets at this time. Upgrades are not the same thing as ongoing support. Devices not being upgraded to Android 4.0 will still get software improvements, security fixes, and technical support as needed.
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Lmao that was straight out of their press released. "optimized for honeycomb"? Seriously? Optimized for what lag? If the flyer was optimized for anything, it was gingerbread not honeycomb.
I know it's all a lost cause anyway but still entertaining to hear their responses. Also ongoing support means releasing an update to address the lag and broken gps, and I see no indication they a going to do that.
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I would like to post on their Facebook profiles, but I probably won't. I used to post on HTC Global, HTC UK, HTC Canada and HTC US. But I always got responses from dubious people who were on HTC's side, and to tell you the truth, I don't need more bad blood from dealing with (the lack of) official ICS of the Flyer.
It's a slap in the face if HTC is really developing another tablet. They've probably made some market research and must've found out that people really want another HTC tablet because their first go was such a commercial success. Plus, they must've found out that HTC tablet owners are so happy with their purchases, they're now like iPad owners: whenever a new generation comes, they jump right away.
Eitherway, I wish all the best to HTC. They said no ICS is coming for the Flyer. I can live with that as long as they keep their promise to update Honeycomb. Though, I doubt they'll have the time. JB is already here, and they're still busy updating to ICS.
I bought this tab 50 Days ago... Now I am already ranting about it. Should i exchange it for a Nexus 7?
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geojoking said:
I would like to post on their Facebook profiles, but I probably won't. I used to post on HTC Global, HTC UK, HTC Canada and HTC US. But I always got responses from dubious people who were on HTC's side, and to tell you the truth, I don't need more bad blood from dealing with (the lack of) official ICS of the Flyer.
It's a slap in the face if HTC is really developing another tablet. They've probably made some market research and must've found out that people really want another HTC tablet because their first go was such a commercial success. Plus, they must've found out that HTC tablet owners are so happy with their purchases, they're now like iPad owners: whenever a new generation comes, they jump right away.
Eitherway, I wish all the best to HTC. They said no ICS is coming for the Flyer. I can live with that as long as they keep their promise to update Honeycomb. Though, I doubt they'll have the time. JB is already here, and they're still busy updating to ICS.
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I'm pretty sure HTC never promised to update Honeycomb.
race55 said:
I bought this tab 50 Days ago... Now I am already ranting about it. Should i exchange it for a Nexus 7?
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Where would you exchange it ? I'm thinking about swapping this tab somewhere too
Yeah there are htc fanboys that troll the site, and you ask about a Flyer ics update and the trolls attack you. Oh well. This isn't going to work, htc has made up their minds. We found this out in May. Let's just focus on ioidroid and Lisbon, scew htc! Ics probably wouldn't have been as nice as we thought anyway, most likely htc would of found a way to make it even slower than honeycomb!
I used to complain too but hell the nexus is only 200, so if I get tired I'll just grab that, we are fortunate to have the developers we have so that should be the focus, not beating a dead horse with nagging at htc
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And now I know why I don't post on Facebook. Because there is some trolling htc fanboy that is the first to comment every time I make a comment about the Flyer. This dude probably bought every condem named htc phone that ever lived, probably uses an htc Status as his main phone, probably has a closet full of white shirts with green htc logos, and spends every waking moment on their page defending them to the teeth if anyone dares make rip on them. His name is Droider.se
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LOL Droider.se!!! I had to suffer him too!!!
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Where would you exchange it ? I'm thinking about swapping this tab somewhere too
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I would probably sell it to my dad because he really wanted one after seeing mine but couldn't find them anywhere... From that money i would buy a Nexus 7 when they come available here in The Netherlands.
Here's what I wrote and what i was answered... with Droider.se answers included too...
It's long, so relax, read it if you're bored. I'll post the three captures:
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I forgot to tell them... If HTC Tablets are optimized for Honeycomb and that's why we're not getting ICS... then WHY THE HELL DO I HAVE HARDWARE BUTTONS IN MY DEVICE?????, so I just did:
Posted. More than likely will get the canned reply, but it's there.
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