http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/?cid=android4FB
I know there have been emails, speculation and all of that jazz.
Here it is however, officially official for anyone/everyone to see.
I'm sure if you call a few customer service reps, you can find one or two that will reignite the speculation. It's too quite in here.
yeah that's it. Does kind of suck. my phone was one of the first to receive an ics update from htc and it is absolutely amazing even with its heavily skinned sense ui. But the downside is its built on 4.03 and before 4.04, ics is so buggy you'd think it was in beta, and battery life has gone to complete hell too, and for the htc vivid, it's probably its first and last update from htc.
Hopefully someone delivers a good ics rom for us.
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DigitalMD said:
I'm sure if you call a few customer service reps, you can find one or two that will reignite the speculation. It's too quite in here.
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Sounds like a plan. I'll get on it.
I'm running CM9, ICS on my old Color Nook and its great. Stable, wonderful.
Guys, sign my petition in my thread, we get enough signatures we will surely get ICS
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Or steady full working honeycomb. This is a more definite chance
they said they aren't done supporting it but I call bs. i originally suggested new features for honeycomb but now if they just fixed the gps, made it faster and smoother, and fixed the game data downloading issues I'd be happy. Probably won't happen though. I'm just going to stay on gingerbread
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Whoareyou said:
Guys, sign my petition in my thread, we get enough signatures we will surely get ICS
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You must be high lol
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no good news as its 99% the same chips as the Sensation XL
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You must be high lol
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Lol yeah I don't see a petition doing much good at this point. HTC has decided the cost of giving us an update is more than the cost of loosing our business so they'll just ignore a petition.
Really I don't seen how it could cost them that much though. These is a company that doesn't differentiate from hardware too much and there are several phones that either have ics or are getting it with very similar if not identical hardware. Its not like they have to develop from scratch, really just taking something like the one v rom, optimize it for a tablet, and adding drivers for the front camera is all they'd have to do. 90% of all htc device's if not more have some version of the snapdragon with an adreno gpu so getting us a working ICS update shouldn't take more than a day with the resources they have.
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Its still a nice tablet.
Disappointed in HTC - would have to think long and VERY hard before buying another product from this manufacturer.
yeah it is a nice tablet still. I don't get the marketing and design though. they set it up to fail from day one by releasing it at a high price point that you could get a 10 inch honeycomb tablet for. most people just passed it up and went to the xoom sitting next to it. or just bought an ipad. HTC seems to do this alot, just throw some product out there with some innovative features, but overall make it unappealing to the market (in this case the pen, but remember the Facebook phone?). They really took a knife to a gun fight with the flyer and now they wanna pretend it never existed.
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yeah it is a nice tablet still. I don't get the marketing and design though. they set it up to fail from day one by releasing it at a high price point that you could get a 10 inch honeycomb tablet for. most people just passed it up and went to the xoom sitting next to it. or just bought an ipad. HTC seems to do this alot, just throw some product out there with some innovative features, but overall make it unappealing to the market (in this case the pen, but remember the Facebook phone?). They really took a knife to a gun fight with the flyer and now they wanna pretend it never existed.
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Long term, the phone and tablet market will be a 2 horse race. The SGS and Galaxy tab outsell any HTC phones/tablets and the Apple Iphone/Ipad will continue to dominate (....am I allowed to say that here ?)
Nokia are making massive losses.
RIM in steep decline.
Sony have lost their mojo.
HTC struggled last year but the One range may do them some good - if they don't alienate too many flyer/view owners
Samsung are a bit plasticky.
yeah I'm a former samsung owner, build quality could be worse but they do use too much plastic no doubt
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I am teh sad.
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Wouldn't mind so much if HC didn't suck so much on the flyer - performance just seems awful. Ah well think I'm just gonna stick Dexter's ICS/Sense 4 rom on my flyer and live without the pen. At least I'll have the goodness of chrome and it runs much smoother than the official HC release ever did.
I'll have to think carefully about ever buying another HTC device - if I wasn't so happy with my one X I think I'd have turned my back on them by now. Not that they'd care of course.
Well HTC sucks, but not as much as Motorola ( i have the dorid x2) who locks their bootloaders, never unlocks them, never releases the source code and drops support even for currently selling phones only 4 months old. But wait, ain't Motorola part of that funny sounding company ,,,?? starts with a G........ oh, yes, Google. Hummmmmmmm
Oh and BTW, FYI, UBETCHA, I'm reverting to FROYO, which was so less laggy, leggy, jerky, jittery, clucky, clicky, smelly, bed bug ridden ,stinky, crappy, gassy, slimy, limey, and sticky/rickety than GB, HC, ICS, JB and any future or past or other version of Andorid, IOS, WP, SENSE, BB, ET, or NBC.
And speaking of petitions, I'm gonna start a petition to have Apple and Samsung bury HTC in patient infringement litigation to the point for HTC cannot sell a single device , hhahhaahhahooohooohhhoehehehehehee LOL LMAO.
There I feel so much better now.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I asked htc about this and they said "Dear **** *******,
Thank you for your email regarding your HTC Flyer.
My name is David and I am a Technical Support Agent for the HTC Written Team.
I understand that you wish to enquire if the Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0) update will be made available for your tablet.
We really do appreciate your interest in our products John. I do apologise but the HTC Flyer would not be receiving the ICS update. This is because this update is incompatible with this device.
However, your experience with our phones is very important for us, and we take these comments very seriously. HTC is a forward thinking company and appreciates any feedback received from its customers. Your comments, concerns and suggestions will be taken into consideration and passed on to our development ream.
I do apologise for the inconvenience this may be causing you.
To let me know I have successfully answered your query, please follow the link below to close your enquiry, you will have the opportunity to leave feedback about your experience contacting me today.
Let me know if I have successfully answered your question, please click here to complete this.
To send a reply to this message, please click here .
Sincerely,
David
HTC"
I Replied saying about the hundreds of sense 4 ics ports out there and all they needed to do to one of them is fix the camera and the scribe function and they would have an ICS rom!
... so did they answer your query successfully ?
Seems like the support guy is asking you to swallow the BS line "incompatible with your device". Might be worth further enquiring as to why it is incompatible ...
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"Dear **** *******,
Thank you for your email regarding your HTC Flyer.
I understand that you wish to enquire if the Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0) update will be made available for your tablet.
We really do appreciate your interest in our products. I do apologise but the HTC Flyer would not be receiving the ICS update. This is because HTC are moving out of the tablet space and it is uneconomic to support your device further.
Your experience with our phones isn't really important for us, and we will file your comments in the trash can. HTC is losing money and has bigger problems than dealing with feedback received from its customers. Your comments, concerns and suggestions will be ignored - we probably don't even have a tablet development team to forward them to.
I laugh in your general direction.
To let me know I have successfully answered your query, please follow the link below to close your enquiry, you will have the opportunity to leave feedback about your experience contacting me today.
Let me know if I have successfully answered your question, please click here to complete this.
To send a reply to this message, please click here .
Sincerely,
etc"
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It is with great sadness and anger that our "investment" of my much beloved Photon 4G will not be getting Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0). I found out today when I decided to engage Motorola to find out if the Photon 4G will get the update. (See Screenshot of the Chat). So unless CyanogenMod gives us a custom ROM, we just got shafted by Motorola.
UPDATE:
It now appears to be a definite "maybe". Attached is a another screenshot from Moto's Forums. I know I'm getting slack for posting this, but common someone had to look into this. Don't shoot the messenger!
Side Note:
Regardless of where these "reps" are located, these people are suppose to represent Motorola. If they can't get their answers straight then its a bad reflection on the company.
agonzalez1010 said:
It is with great sadness and anger that our "investment" of my much beloved Photon 4G will not be getting Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0). I found out today when I decided to engage Motorola to find out if the Photon 4G will get the update. (See Screenshot of the Chat). So unless CyanogenMod gives us a custom ROM, we just got shafted by Motorola.
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I'm sure someone will port it over.
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this assumes the csr in chat actually knows something beyond what was publically announced. history says they dont know.
i will be extremely surprised if ics isn't made available.
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this assumes the csr in chat actually knows something beyond what was publically announced. history says they dont know.
i will be extremely surprised if ics isn't made available.
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i talked with a sprint employee today and they said the galaxy nexus WILL NOT be coming to sprint. so being rather upset about it i asked about the iphone 5 and they told me there is no such thing and there are no plans for it.
so not only did i learn that the packing slip showing the galaxy nexus for sprint was wrong, but apple is no longer going to be making iphones.
just figured id post that info in here rather than starting my own thread.
but on a serious note moto reps are told nothing that they dont need to know, just the same as everyone else
Haha. Funny man . Well since no information was out there regarding the update, I went the route of inquiring with them. I really hope that they were wrong, but right now (unless someone can get a different answer from them) this will be fact and I'll wait for a port over.
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Haha. Funny man . Well since no information was out there regarding the update, I went the route of inquiring with them. I really hope that they were wrong, but right now (unless someone can get a different answer from them) this will be fact and I'll wait for a port over.
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you won't get a different answer until it's announced.
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so not only did i learn that the packing slip showing the galaxy nexus for sprint was wrong, but apple is no longer going to be making iphones.
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i knew quantum entanglement was powerful but didn't realize it could take a product out of your hands
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I think that once the photon gets it's fully unlocked bootloader development will really take off as right now not a lot of people are willing to unlock their phone. Also we got two different guys working on CM7.1 so I would be shocked if we don't having people jumping on CM8 when the source is dropped. Personally I wouldn't worry too much about it, we'll get it and hopefully without motoblur(CM8).
This is very disappointing news if it turns out to be true. I have wanted this phone since it was announced, I have loved it since I bought it. I have been able to get over the locked bootloader but it would be very frustrating if ICS is denied to this phone and especially since I have to wait 20 some months before my next equipment discount.
This really means nothing, those are the first supported devices that they are planning for. Motorola already tweeted saying that other devices will get ICS within 6 weeks of Google's push.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/10/24/motorola-speaks-up-about-ice-cream-sandwich-updates-razr-bionic-and-xoom-to-be-the-first-will-confirm-more-later/
Those reps work in a damn call center. I find no merit in this thread or the rep you spoke to. As a previous poster stated, they are only given information they need to do their job...which is answer phones or messages and they rarely do that right! Besides, motorola would make this type of information official on their own, not through some jerk off answering IMs
Need I mention the MoPho has all the specs required under the hood to run ICS...time will tell
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@ORam78
Hey buddy you don't have to be all hostile. I only relayed what they said. They represent Motorola and at this time this is the only fact they've given out regarding the fate of the Phone. If you find "No Merit" on this thread they why bother chiming in?
I'm on a FACT finding mission here because we owners want the latest OS. Yes this phone has the specs to do it I agree with you there, but someone in Motorola needs to take this Phone serious and come out with a timeline or something to let us know what is going on. Unfortunetaly this has close to official that I was able to get.
Lol all I have to say is your 100% correct the agents at moto do not know when software updates. The only way ill believe anything is if a Dev from Moto says so. This is from The knowledge of actually working in a call center. They wont know **** lol
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Nearly every phone I have researched on Android has gotten one upgrade from where it started, and some have gotten two. This phone started GB, it'll eventually get ICS. There simply has not been an official announcement yet, and I have a feeling the call center won't know anything until we do. Also, there isn't an iphone 5 YET. There's no way Apple will give up on such a popular gold mine. I just have a feeling call centers deal in official, announced information, not rumors. ICS for photon and iphone 5 release and Sprint Nexus Prime are all rumors at this point. A call center saying no doesn't mean anything.
Lol! Hostile? Bud, I wasn't being hostile toward you...all I'm saying is those morons don't know jack. We will have our ICS....Don't fret my little 'MoPho'ers!
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i have to agree that if you think that little peon answering the phone knows anything but how to connect you to support in India you are sadly mistaken
I don't care if gets ICS, I love the way it runs with GB! It has been the best experience with android in a phone after HTC Hero, Moment, EVO, Nexus s and ET4G.
agonzalez1010 said:
It is with great sadness and anger that our "investment" of my much beloved Photon 4G will not be getting Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0). I found out today when I decided to engage Motorola to find out if the Photon 4G will get the update. (See Screenshot of the Chat). So unless CyanogenMod gives us a custom ROM, we just got shafted by Motorola.
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If we don't get the official release of ICS for Photon maybe coz Photon sold by Sprint carrier. You should ask Sprint rather than Motorola coz the update will be made if Sprint ask Motorola support.
But I'm pretty sure we will get ICS official or not coz someone must be on to it.
Don't worry Mophon owners about lack devs. We will be get ICS before new year
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I thought Google had some rule (for lack of a better way of putting it) that states that manufacturers and carriers have to support Android phones for 18 months. But I guess that doesn't necessarily mean that OS upgrades are part of the deal.
Hi XDA folks,
Just saw this link which give us some insights to news onofficial ICS for flyer
http://www.htc-hub.com/htc/actualites/htc-flyer-mise-a-jour-officielle-ice-cream-sandwich/
Cheers,
Renga
Rengak05 said:
Hi XDA folks,
Just saw this link which give us some insights to news onofficial ICS for flyer
http://www.htc-hub.com/htc/actualites/htc-flyer-mise-a-jour-officielle-ice-cream-sandwich/
Cheers,
Renga
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My French needs some work. You mind translating
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here you go!!
This is what i got when i translated.. with googles help
Many of us regret installing Honeycomb on the HTC Flyer . Gingerbread for a return on it will send its tablet for service or simply flash the UCP method (not verified) that we can show you on request.
Honeycomb has taken a while but for Ice Cream Sandwich the story will be different since the update is scheduled for the first quarter, in a little over 2 months the very most!
Thank you to bandjamesband for the info!
We remind you that Google had not delivered the source code and therefore Honeycomb HTC 's had to do with using the SDK. So Sense is much less well integrated in Android 3.2. With the arrival of Android 4.0 on our shelves is expected obviously a major concern of this correction
Well yes according to that it looks likely.
The conversation with HTC which is mostly missing appears to have been about what options a user had to get off honeycomb.
The response from HTC was to send it to after sales service for a downgrade to gingerbread or to wait for the ICS update
The follow up question was, when is the ICS update planned for?
The response: Planned for the first quarter of this year.
I didn't translate the article, just the "chat with us conversation" from where the information about the update comes. And yes I am 100% certain of the accuracy of meaning in my translation.
mcord11758 said:
My French needs some work. You mind translating
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How do you say +1 in French? Plusavue une?
\\Carved into this thread by my RAZR//
http://android-gz.com
shameful as my mother is a French Canadian that I could not piece together the message. Hopeful it its true though
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IP IHI II IL said:
How do you say +1 in French? Plusavue une?
\\Carved into this thread by my RAZR//
http://android-gz.com
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Like this: +1
Plus un, would be a suitable translation but I don't think I've every seen it written in words in any language.
So does everyone actually prefer Gingerbread over Honeycomb on this device? If so then why?
I prefer honeycomb but reasons why are all opinion
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So does everyone actually prefer Gingerbread over Honeycomb on this device? If so then why?
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Everyone actually prefers Froyo, but no one could figure out how to downgrade to it.
But anyway my unofficial poll came out like this.
Favor HC: 96%
Favor GB: 3%
Favor Terminal mode: 1%
DigitalMD said:
Everyone actually prefers Froyo, but no one could figure out how to downgrade to it.
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+1...
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I prefer GB, battery life is a bit improved and I can make calls again.
Backwards compatibility is not all the way there for HC.
Yeah it looks fancier and all but I can make voip calls and all my bought apps that are bought for my Inspire 4G work 100% on GB Flyer.
Since I have AT&Trash the reception here leaves alot to be desired so I rely on my Flyer for phonecalls + I can call pretty much call or receive nationwide for free.
I know some do not care about this feature but it is essential to me and especially my gf. Yak, Yak, Yak. lol
Info on the procedure here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1449859
I hope this is true but I don't believe it.
Customer service people are always the last to know anything. So, something is up here. I fear it is a hoax or just more bad information. We should all know better than to believe stuff we read on some site we never heard of before.
lawguy said:
I hope this is true but I don't believe it.
Customer service people are always the last to know anything. So, something is up here. I fear it is a hoax or just more bad information. We should all know better than to believe stuff we read on some site we never heard of before.
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I am full of doubt, especially considering how long honeycombe took and the fact that the flyer is pretty much discontinued
I agree. Hate to be pessimist, but I think the road ends with Honeycomb and all its shortcomings.
Sent from my HTC Flyer; resisting Honeycomb due to allergy
My question is will Honeycomb actually be supported a little further down the road or will it just be forgotten. It seems like it was just a bridge to hold over tablet owners until the real OS hit, ICS. So what will developers do and will they continue to make everything Honeycomb compatible.
I almost feel like Google should request all Honeycomb tablets be upgraded to ICS and they should take the hit on any costs to do since they are responsible for putting together a half assed OS until ICS rolled out...
Microsoft did that with Win/ME and Vista
what i dont like with HC is the bar at the bottum... takes up to much screen.
this baby only got 7 inch, and by haveing a permanent bar there, makes the screen even smaller. dont like it..
the flyer/view got some HW-buttons, so the bar isent that useful...
but otherwise i prefere HC
Everyone needs to get a grip.
HC will go the way of Froyo and GB. They will be forgotten and the next big thing ICS and then Jelly Bean will replace them and on and on. Hardware will always be outdated in 6 to 9 months and new stuff will replace it. As for Google dictating that HW vendors and sellers update to the latest OS, they tried that in the annual meeting Oct. 2011 and got the big one fingered salute from all the manufacturer and cell carriers. Google is in no position to dictate things. They attempted to get everyone to agree to updating all devices to the new OS within 4 months and no one agreed. So it's all best effort meaning sellers can do it if they want to.
You have to remember that HW sellers don't make money from fixing all your problems and updating software. They make money from selling new hardware. So they will choose to do the bare minimum level of support. Now that may not be what you think is right or how it "should be", but that is reality and not accepting that will just make you more unhappy. Where you going to go? Apple? MIcrosoft? maybe.... Microsoft started out having a central update site for all Windows phone, but they have abandoned that concept due to cell carrier pressure. So now they are in the same boat as Google with users beholding to cell providers for their updates.
Google does not make a dime from direct Android sales. They are an advertising company.
Here is the English version of the article...
http://htcsource.com/2012/01/android-4-0-update-confirmed-for-the-htc-flyer/
Hello everyone!
Please see the link below which confirms our agony! HTC is dead to me!!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/22/htc-ics-android-updates/
Never buying HTC ever again.
http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/?cid=android4blog
thats a stupid move....on both the jetstream (which was very expensive) and the flyer (which was very popular after the price cut)
damn it.
at least we got an answer.
never touching HTC again after this.
Also, now is the time to put some money to our ICS bounty...since it is the last hope for this device.
guru_shastri said:
damn it.
at least we got an answer.
never touching HTC again after this.
Also, now is the time to put some money to our ICS bounty...since it is the last hope for this device.
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Not to rain on our already rainy parade, but that's not much of a hope. With Honeycomb being closed source, and everything HTC (except the kernel) being closed source, there's pretty much zero chance this device will ever see ICS.
I love my One X, but I really wish I could go back in time and get a Galaxy Tab.
I am very dissapointed. I was bought my jetstream off contract from at&t last october 910usd include taxes and unlock. Very very expensive. And no update? HTC is a shame!!! Today I got my galaxy tab 2 p3100 which has 4.0.3 factory loaded. Great speed and usage. Dual core processor and lot of memory. And cost me 350usd factory unlocked. So thats what I call money steal.
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we are the biggest suckers of the android world...
But - for the right amount of money we just might be able to recruit a developer to release us from the htc choke hold.
And also, russ said he's working to get htc to cooperate with him on building a rom for us.here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1651651
There is still a tiny shred of hope.
craig0r said:
Not to rain on our already rainy parade, but that's not much of a hope. With Honeycomb being closed source, and everything HTC (except the kernel) being closed source, there's pretty much zero chance this device will ever see ICS.
I love my One X, but I really wish I could go back in time and get a Galaxy Tab.
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why is honeycomb closed source? the source was released the same day ICS source was released. HTC sense for tablets i don't know about the source but for phones it is fairly open + its not like htc are done with tablets for good. when the next bunch come out im sure someone will port something over for you
wish the jetstream came to the UK but thats a long gone wish
I dont understand why HTC will not update the rom. I will be happy for honeycomb update too. Honeycomb 3.2 update and sense update will be greathful. Why want htc to kill this good tablet.
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HTC really should release an update. i'd say more yet....... you know.
just cause a riot on their facebook page like the desire owners did with gingerbread...making htc retract their statement
there's not enough of us.
every post here gets hundreds of views but no one seems to actually respond..IDK if its because they don't own a jetstream or just won't help
there's not enough of us.
every post here gets hundreds of views but no one seems to actually respond..IDK if its because they don't own a jetstream or just won't help
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Agreed. Been away for a week and I return to see not much improvement with the bounty or anything else. There is still always hope..
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Jumping ship as they say...it's a shame and there will be a ripple effect.
From a hardware perspective it is still an incredible device. It is truly a shame that HTC has pulled the plug on it and is washing it's hands of what were very likely highly committed HTC users. It was a premium device with a premium price and devoted HTC fans were confident it was a worthy purchase. Although the device did not see extensive penetration, the customers the company will lose as a result (including myself) were valuable voices in the marketplace as champions of the company among other consumers. Though small, there will be a ripple effect. People look to their tech savvy friends and family members for buying advice and I am certainly sharing my experiences openly and honestly.
I have always previously trusted HTC to keep capable devices relevant. Unfortunately, the Jetstream's honeycomb software seemed like an interim OS until HTC had time to get 4.0 up and running. HTC Sense on the Jetstream experiences frequent reboots, the pen gets laggy, the stock notes app hangs up and fails to recognize pen movement at times and the device certainly does not run like it should with this hardware....the processor could still hang with the best of them if it was properly supported.
The HTC One X was going to be my next phone. I've been a fan of the company since it's Windows Mobile days. This experience both from a device standpoint under the current software and the lack of commitment from the company to adequately support the device moving forward (which in my humble opinion includes ICS support) has me waiting for the GS III or other flagship device. Jumping ship as they say.
Jetstream upgrade project
Hi,
I would really like to upgrade my HTC Jetstream, I would like to start an upgrade project for this lovely tablet, I have $150 bucks to make the upgrade project interesting for our fantastic developers. Any other support?
thank you.
Chris
Well, as the title says, HTC is preparing a new tablet and has leaked some info and benchmarks of the new device. When they announced the Flyer/EVO View and Jetstream were not going to receive official ICS update, one of the reasons HTC gave was that they were not going to develop new tablets and the cost of developing a new ICS Sense for Tablets was not worth it for just two devices...
So now... what?
I'd like to ask everybody here who has a Facebook account to go to the official HTC facebook page and demand the update to ICS for the Flyer/ EVO View and Jetstream tablets. It's not useless, HTC has rectified before when the customers filled their facebook pages demanding updates (Gingerbread update for Desire is a good example).
Some facts you can use to convince HTC to release the update (you can copy/paste in the HTC facebook pages):
- Flyer was released in May 2011, Desire HD in October 2010. Flyer is more powerful... but the DHD is getting the update. Not anymore!!! has HTC decision makers gone mad???
- Flyer has a more powerful CPU than One V, and twice the RAM... One V already has ICS, of course.
- Flyer has some unofficial ICS ROMs already, even a Sense 4 port, and those are the fastest ROMs ever in this device, but many things don't work because they are not official ROMs. The hardware is more than ready for ICS, it's begging for the update!!!
- HTC is going to release a new tablet, everyone who owns an HTC tablet will never buy another HTC after this "NO ICS" decision and we´ll be recommending everyone we know against doing so. And probably advise against their phones too.
- The hardware specs and quality of manufacturing of HTC tablets are outstanding. HTC tablets have been a commercial failure in the past because of several reasons, but the hardware is not one of them. Poor advertising, extremely high price,... but most of all, the lack of a proper OS is the major flaw of these devices.
- The Honeycomb update brought the loss of functionalities like phone calls or the hardware buttons... and a loss of 10% screen working area in landscape mode because of the Honeycomb bar (and we are talking of a 7" screen). We BOUGHT a device with those functionalities and there is no official downgrade.
- Most Flyer users were really disappointed with the Honeycomb update and were sincerely hoping an ICS update would fix those things, many kept Gingerbread instead of installing the update. The most read threads in the Flyer's forums on the Internet are the ones explaining how to downgrade to Gingerbread (unofficial method, of course). This is a worldwide situation.
- Honeycomb is dead. It was Google's temporary solution for tablets until ICS was ready and it shows... every major manufacturer is updating their tablets to ICS and getting rid of Honeycomb for good. No one wants Honeycomb, it was a failure, and that is known even at Google central offices (they won't admit it, of course). Our one year old devices should not be running an obsolete OS. With Gingerbread first and later with Honeycomb we still don't have a proper OS to enjoy the full potential of our devices, ICS is the solution and HTC is not updating.
- The ICS update is not just a fancy thing we are asking for, it's a necessity for our devices to function as they should.
- If HTC is developing a new ICS Sense for Tablets, it should not cost much to bring it to our devices. The cost of developing is out of the equation. HTC is letting down its actual tablet consumer base at the same time it is developing something that would make us all happy if it was released for our tablets. If we get an OS update (ICS or JB) for our devices then our next tablet would be an HTC almost for sure and we would be happy customers. Instead, we will not only run away from future HTC tablets but also the phones.
- The new HTC Quattro, Vertex or whatever name HTC gives to their new 10" tablet will be a commercial failure for sure if the owners of the only HTC tablets to date are left in the present situation. We are not happy, and the reason is the lack of a proper OS, it's a software problem. We will advise everyone against buying HTC tablets and we won't buy any more products from them. We could be telling everyone how wonderful HTC tablets really are if we had the proper OS, that's the best advertising any company wants, but we'll do right the opposite.
- Many of the HTC tablet customers chose their devices because they had HTC written all over them, knowing that meant QUALITY in capital letters. Early adopters of new devices are the ones that determine the success or failure of a company in a market niche. They're usually technology enthusiasts and they spread the word if a product is great or not. Apple knows very well what i'm talking about.
Tablets still are a fairly new product for the masses (specially Android ones), the early adopters of the HTC tablets are not satisfied, and a simple update can change the situation. Very little cost for HTC and huge benefits if they release the update.
- If HTC really wants to sell tablets and be one of the big brands they have to treat their customers properly, and give us the ICS update we need to enjoy the full potential of our devices (and also have back again the functionalities WE PAID FOR). Otherwise they will continue to see their benefits numbers drop (half this year).
I've already started to publish all this at the HTC main facebook page and at HTC Spain facebook page (where I live), and of course there is a Spanish version of this rant that is "more colorful" because that's my native language (En el anuncio de la filtración de las prestaciones del nuevo tablet les dije que si no nos dan la actualización se lo podian meter por donde amargan los pepinos, por ejemplo )
Of course all this might end up in nothing, but we have nothing to loose and much to gain just by spending a few minutes on facebook telling HTC that we are not happy, and that they might be in for a rough ride trying to sell their new tablet having their current tablet user base so pissed up.
Link to HTC facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/HTC
Honestly man its a lost cause. Htc won't bend on it, they've made up their minds and the writing is on the wall. Good news is we have a good aokp build started by chaos so we will have a full working ics rom but not from htc
Also if they use the same pen technology, it might be our ticket to working pen on ics
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our best hopes would be that something from this new tablet could be ported over
I wouldn't bet on the porting bit, the processor architectures are just too different. I guess maybe Chaos could get some kind of kernel ported, but I would personally be running AOKP even if we had a OEM solution. Hmm...you know I wonder if the AOKP MHL issue is because the standard Linux kernel doesn't support the second framebuffer...?
Just did my bit.
I doubt the hardware will be anywhere similar to the flyer but if it has pen, then we could get an ics pen driver
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Same here. Posted on HTC's facebook page.
Figured why the hell not
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Ah great my punctuation is all messed up. "buy" instead of by and "their" instead of "there" lol i look like an idiot now
And now I know why I don't post on Facebook. Because there is some trolling htc fanboy that is the first to comment every time I make a comment about the Flyer. This dude probably bought every condem named htc phone that ever lived, probably uses an htc Status as his main phone, probably has a closet full of white shirts with green htc logos, and spends every waking moment on their page defending them to the teeth if anyone dares make rip on them. His name is Droider.se
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i wrote on their facebook page and here is the reply from them:
https://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10151269154368084?notif_t=feed_comment
Our tablets are built and optimized for a Honeycomb experience. To preserve that match between hardware and software, we do not plan to update our tablets at this time. Upgrades are not the same thing as ongoing support. Devices not being upgraded to Android 4.0 will still get software improvements, security fixes, and technical support as needed.
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Lmao that was straight out of their press released. "optimized for honeycomb"? Seriously? Optimized for what lag? If the flyer was optimized for anything, it was gingerbread not honeycomb.
I know it's all a lost cause anyway but still entertaining to hear their responses. Also ongoing support means releasing an update to address the lag and broken gps, and I see no indication they a going to do that.
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I would like to post on their Facebook profiles, but I probably won't. I used to post on HTC Global, HTC UK, HTC Canada and HTC US. But I always got responses from dubious people who were on HTC's side, and to tell you the truth, I don't need more bad blood from dealing with (the lack of) official ICS of the Flyer.
It's a slap in the face if HTC is really developing another tablet. They've probably made some market research and must've found out that people really want another HTC tablet because their first go was such a commercial success. Plus, they must've found out that HTC tablet owners are so happy with their purchases, they're now like iPad owners: whenever a new generation comes, they jump right away.
Eitherway, I wish all the best to HTC. They said no ICS is coming for the Flyer. I can live with that as long as they keep their promise to update Honeycomb. Though, I doubt they'll have the time. JB is already here, and they're still busy updating to ICS.
I bought this tab 50 Days ago... Now I am already ranting about it. Should i exchange it for a Nexus 7?
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geojoking said:
I would like to post on their Facebook profiles, but I probably won't. I used to post on HTC Global, HTC UK, HTC Canada and HTC US. But I always got responses from dubious people who were on HTC's side, and to tell you the truth, I don't need more bad blood from dealing with (the lack of) official ICS of the Flyer.
It's a slap in the face if HTC is really developing another tablet. They've probably made some market research and must've found out that people really want another HTC tablet because their first go was such a commercial success. Plus, they must've found out that HTC tablet owners are so happy with their purchases, they're now like iPad owners: whenever a new generation comes, they jump right away.
Eitherway, I wish all the best to HTC. They said no ICS is coming for the Flyer. I can live with that as long as they keep their promise to update Honeycomb. Though, I doubt they'll have the time. JB is already here, and they're still busy updating to ICS.
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I'm pretty sure HTC never promised to update Honeycomb.
race55 said:
I bought this tab 50 Days ago... Now I am already ranting about it. Should i exchange it for a Nexus 7?
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Where would you exchange it ? I'm thinking about swapping this tab somewhere too
Yeah there are htc fanboys that troll the site, and you ask about a Flyer ics update and the trolls attack you. Oh well. This isn't going to work, htc has made up their minds. We found this out in May. Let's just focus on ioidroid and Lisbon, scew htc! Ics probably wouldn't have been as nice as we thought anyway, most likely htc would of found a way to make it even slower than honeycomb!
I used to complain too but hell the nexus is only 200, so if I get tired I'll just grab that, we are fortunate to have the developers we have so that should be the focus, not beating a dead horse with nagging at htc
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And now I know why I don't post on Facebook. Because there is some trolling htc fanboy that is the first to comment every time I make a comment about the Flyer. This dude probably bought every condem named htc phone that ever lived, probably uses an htc Status as his main phone, probably has a closet full of white shirts with green htc logos, and spends every waking moment on their page defending them to the teeth if anyone dares make rip on them. His name is Droider.se
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LOL Droider.se!!! I had to suffer him too!!!
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Where would you exchange it ? I'm thinking about swapping this tab somewhere too
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I would probably sell it to my dad because he really wanted one after seeing mine but couldn't find them anywhere... From that money i would buy a Nexus 7 when they come available here in The Netherlands.
Here's what I wrote and what i was answered... with Droider.se answers included too...
It's long, so relax, read it if you're bored. I'll post the three captures:
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I forgot to tell them... If HTC Tablets are optimized for Honeycomb and that's why we're not getting ICS... then WHY THE HELL DO I HAVE HARDWARE BUTTONS IN MY DEVICE?????, so I just did:
Posted. More than likely will get the canned reply, but it's there.
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WOW!
At least samsung has made the effort to get JB to S2....
It's no wonder that allot of us are feeling the sting of no JB on the rezound...
Lego
Even worse they got a leak one or twice a month.
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I think even worse is the fact the Droid Bionic is suppose to be getting JB. Wow.
It's because the S2 was Samsung's flagship.. The Rezound is HTC's redheaded stepchild on VZW. Simple enough?
Motorola and Samsung are both updating phone over a year older than the Rezound and HTC is wondering why they are losing more and more customers cause instead of updating phones they are making you buy new phones to get the next operating system. I won't be getting the Next HTC phone for Verizon I am hoping the Google/Motorola phone is real cause that is the route I wanna go.
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Motorola and Samsung are both updating phone over a year older than the Rezound and HTC is wondering why they are losing more and more customers cause instead of updating phones they are making you buy new phones to get the next operating system. I won't be getting the Next HTC phone for Verizon I am hoping the Google/Motorola phone is real cause that is the route I wanna go.
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Ya, I really want the HTC one, but I just can't do it after their lack of support for the rezound.
If the one isn't as big as they need it to be,they will move on quickly to another device. They can't afford to support more than one device at a time I don't think.
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SII is getting 4.2 as well. Always get Samsung for good support. Even Ace II is getting 4.2. HTC are terrible on support. Samsung or Google Nexus are the best for updates
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I remember a time when Samsung really wasn't that good with updates, boy have times changed. I am close to wanting to drop the Rezound for the Maxx HD, just for the better battery life and better update support(at least so it seems), but the screen and size of the Rezound really has me(it's pretty much the only HD screen on a 4.3in device). HTC is really testing our patients I think.
I was just saying this the other day... Joke's on us I guess. Should have just dealt with moto or samsung and not had the best phone out to get updates. HTC makes beautiful phones but I'm kind of sick of sense and no/really slow updates. I don't see why they don't give us sense 4 and jb. If they did I might change my mind. But we don't even have the latest ICS and sense 3.6 or w/e is worse than 3.5 imo lol. I feel basically forced to get a GS4 even if I didn't sort of want one.. At least I know it will be supported for a couple of years or more. Samsung used to have a bad track record too, now HTCs is even worse than Samsungs was.
Support? We don't need no stinkin' support.
We have great dev's here, like Snuzzo, iHWO, shrike, and Neo just to name a few. A development community even a quarter as good as this one would still be far better than any manufacturer support, save Nexus devices for obvious reasons (and even then, if you're tied to a carrier you're screwed for OTA).
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Support? We don't need no stinkin' support.
We have great dev's here, like Snuzzo, iHWO, shrike, and Neo just to name a few. A development community even a quarter as good as this one would still be far better than any manufacturer support, save Nexus devices for obvious reasons (and even then, if you're tied to a carrier you're screwed for OTA).
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I'm not saying our devs aren't great. But if we had jelly bean from HTC imagine how tits everything would be then... And it would have saved everyone a ton of work just to get something to boot. But no... HTC gnf.
Edit: or even a better sense ICS update for that matter, Smh lol
I agree that HTC needs to support its past phones, a Dev community is only as good as leaks or full releases from the company itself. CM is bad ass cause goggle releases the code and the Dev add or take away things that they like. But as far as giving us Jelly bean on the Rezound with everything working would still take help from HTC. As you can see by the stand still in the development section progress stands still without leaks, OTAs and most important the code itself from HTC. Unless having less phones will give them time to concentrate on updating past phones I don't think HTC will update the Rezound any further. I am hoping July will be the month I upgrade to the Xphone if its real but we'll find that in May hopefully
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A high end nexus for Verizon would be a dream come true. Even if verizon didn't sell it directly
I have a Rezound and a RAZR. With the 4.1.2 update for the RAZR it only seemed to perform slightly faster then the Rezound with 4.0.3
Even so, I still don't really use the RAZR for much of anything at all(it's just a backup phone).
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Support? We don't need no stinkin' support.
We have great dev's here, like Snuzzo, iHWO, shrike, and Neo just to name a few. A development community even a quarter as good as this one would still be far better than any manufacturer support, save Nexus devices for obvious reasons (and even then, if you're tied to a carrier you're screwed for OTA).
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Don't forget Chad. I wouldn't even have jumped into the game if it hadn't been for his AOSP RIL.
JB + sense4 for my rezound will be my wishlist
since evo LTE and droid DNA will get sense5
Once my upgrade is here - I'm gone off the Rezound! I have a company iPhone 5 and honestly the battery way outperforms all HTC phones I've owned. Here's to hoping the GS4 has great battery!
An HTC rep shared this article because it says what he can't say. I think there's a lot of truth in it. At least the points logic out well to me.
My opinion is Verizon makes decisions about updates based on what is selling best and Sammy is selling like hotcakes, so they are showing all kinds of love to Samsung. Motorola sucks but they are Googles kid, so they get love. HTC killed themselves by spending too much time being quietly brilliant and making 35 different models. If they kept it simple and spent some money on TV ads, it might have been different... Still might, time will tell.
http://ukmobilesupport.co.uk/why-android-updates-are-so-slow/
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sooo....besides the risk of info being leaked....y doesnt google release the code to Samsung, HTC, ect, have it all tested...and have everything ready to be deployed and THEN announce the new update like Apple?
We get leaks usually though when manufacturers finish their updates... Even those leaks are really slow or never show up. So I'm still blaming manufacturers. Lol